Written by: telemeco, 17 Nov 2009 3:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
I am predicting at list 70 posting
Written by: msjersey, 17 Nov 2009 3:25 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
Good job, petit garcon.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
there is no justice in a mob !
Written by: Sajomero, 17 Nov 2009 3:53 PM
From: United States, Del primer Santiago de America....y el mejor!!!
Annie get you guns!!!!
Written by: xwill7, 17 Nov 2009 4:03 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
200 plus posts... where is josean? Same thing goes on here in the US illegals die every day. This is the risk you take when you are illegal. Its like putting up a tent in someones back yard... someone will be mad and want to kick you out
Written by: Lopez31, 17 Nov 2009 4:13 PM
From: United States
Why is the population so quick to form mobs when it comes to small time criminals? We need mobs outside houses of crooked politicians! Lynch them all......
Written by: juanb, 17 Nov 2009 4:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Good post, Lopez
Written by: xwill7, 17 Nov 2009 4:41 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
why unipollo?
Written by: antonioj, 17 Nov 2009 4:41 PM
From: Canada, home safe
pepe32 should joined the hooligans
Written by: temetito, 17 Nov 2009 4:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I'm from la vega, but I never heard about manga larga or unipollo.... it must be wayyyy in the country side.
Written by: xwill7, 17 Nov 2009 4:59 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
en la vega hay mucha mujere buena
From: United States, Brooklyn
This is what happens when the laws aren't enforced! If we had a migration policy this wouldn't be happening!
Justice for the dead paisa!
From: United States, New York, NY
@RosaLaLinda
"I am not aiming to fan the flames...But this looks uncomfortably close to ethnic cleansing."
What?!! Ethnic Cleansing? Do you know what ethnic cleansing is?
This is not ethnic cleansing, this is a group of nationals fed up with being overrun by foreigners and taking matters in their own hands after losing one of their own at the hands of an outsider. Until immigration is not enforced, this scenario will repeat itself IN RETALIATION for every crime these illegals commit. I am not justifying the mob mentality or the resulting actions but am not surprised to see headlines such as this which has nothing to do with ethnic cleansing.
Written by: vacanos, 17 Nov 2009 5:25 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
" Inhabitants of the community Manga Larga in the country’s central mountains on Tuesday vowed to oust the Haitians living there"
La vega real will show the rest of the country how is done. This is a travesty and a sad story what is going on around our country.
Balaguer predicted what is happening now in our country and wrote about the people behind this calamity against our country. Too bad our politician too busy counting the money. It is up to the people not the politician when is enough is enough.
AY MI CASITA
Written by: vacanos, 17 Nov 2009 5:38 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Amy
There is 3 million Haitians and counting in our third world country whose people barely making end meet. We go to the USA for the most part in accordance with that country's law. The Haitian not only comes illegal to DR but wreck havoc where the bahoruco zone right now is an replica of Haiti. Whetever they go it is a path of destruction. Do you feel me :)
From: United States, New York, NY
Dear Ms AmyMillien,
The Dominican migration to the states CANNOT be compared to the Haitian invasion of the Dominican side of the island. Illegal Dominicans do not constitute nearly 20% of the American population. If they did, then surely problems would arise from American citizens protecting the life they are legally entitled to.
How would you feel if your small town became overrun with people that do not belong there? And one of these caused you or your family an irreparable harm?
As an American I agree that all ILLEGAL Dominicans and nationals from all countries should be removed and tougher measured enforced, not because the US is overrun by Dominicans but because it is wrong, there is a system in place that needs to be respected.
As a Dominican, I agree that all ILLEGAL Haitians be removed and tougher measures enforced PRECISELY BECAUSE the DR is being overrun AND because it is wrong. A system needs to be put in place.
Written by: Micaela, 17 Nov 2009 5:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
RosaLaLinda, do you know what is an ethnic cleansing? They only say they would oust the Haitians living there, but where are the persecutions, killings or burning of Haitians. They went for the killer, gathered in front of where they suspect he was, protested and did other things. But where is the ethnic cleansing?
Written by: xwill7, 17 Nov 2009 5:53 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
kick them out!!! I want to see the country filled with Dominicans like the old days
From: Canada, Montreal
seem war isint to far
From: United States, New York, NY
Amy,
Yes there are illegal Dominicans in the US, Puerto Rico, Spain... I am not challenging the fact nor do I suggest the denial of anyone's human right's. Illegal Haitian immigration is a huge problem. Not because Dominicans do not want to help Haitians (I believe in my heart, we do) but NOT at the expense of our own people. NOT if it means sacrificing work, food or resources for OUR citizens, many of which are ALREADY going through hard times. It is already a poor third world country WITHOUT the burden of non-contributing, uninvited illegals.
Illegal Dominicans do not have this effect on the US. But I agree they should be removed anyway. Not because they don't deserve the better life they seek but because it needs to be offered by the host, not taken by the guest. US is a country of immigrants but things need to be done with order.
DR does not have the infrastructure to absorb such a tidal wave of people. Remember, close to 20 PERCENT of the DRs population is there illegall
Written by: vacanos, 17 Nov 2009 6:07 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Amy the few Dominicans illegal in the usa should be send to jail and deported thereafter. Those rats who break the law should pay for their deliquency.
Amy Racism?
Thiis is what our Doctor Balaguer refered to in the 80's from these people's agenda against us. Making thing up against us so we bend and allows them to come into our country and do what they did to their country. I hope the Dominicans here who are not big fan of Balaguer see for what is happening to our country.
Written by: Lopez31, 17 Nov 2009 6:09 PM
From: United States
Its human nature to look for a better future for ourselves and families. The haitians migration to the DR is no different than that of dominicans to the U.S, Spain, .... We are all searching for a brighter future. I would not like a mob of anglo americans in front of my house everytime a domincan scum bag murders an american in washington heights. I guess what I'm trying to say is don't judge an entire population based on the actions of few.
Written by: xwill7, 17 Nov 2009 6:18 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
when you have a bug problem you call pest control and have him release the fog bombs... It removes most of the bugs but not all. Same is needed here, mass deportation asap
From: United States
@xwill7:
That's most Dominican's dream, instead we're faced with the present nightmare.
Written by: xwill7, 17 Nov 2009 6:21 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
amy,
the US is doing good in some states and bad in others... DR has low number of jobs everywhere. Do not compare the US to DR... A poor person in USA can get medical attention and get welfare... In DR you have to eat what you find no one will help... Don't come in here talking like you know about DR
Written by: xwill7, 17 Nov 2009 6:25 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
I had a friend come back from Santiago... He is not Dominican and he asked me... Why so many Haitian in DR??? He added that with all of the number of illegals it takes away some of the Dominican value that you get when traveling to DR... I told him that no one has any balls to do mass deportation... They are scared of loosing business contracts with people that might pull the race card on DR
Written by: xwill7, 17 Nov 2009 6:27 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Amy,
It depends what state you live in... belive me I have seen every race on welfare... What are you from slow southern state??
From: United States, New York, NY
Amy,
You are quite the humanitarian. I applaud that. So you would not mind struggling so that others have a better life? Very admirable. Unfortunately, socialism has largely failed because people look out for themselves and their own BEFORE they look out for others.
As an American I hate that I pay so much taxes due to the immense abused social welfare programs that exist. If the millions of anchor babies in the US were born in their parents home country this past decade, our financial situation would be different (better). Not that these babies do not deserve the services they receive but just noting that hard fact. That is what us legal American citizens are giving up.
Problem is that the world expects the burden of the Haitian to fall on the DR and that the DR should be the one to give. Haitians should be helped but the DR can barely carry its own weight, the extra 20% is not helping. This is a matter for the international community to resolve, NOT the DR.
Written by: xwill7, 17 Nov 2009 6:33 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
amy,
find a good accountant and you wont pay... Americans do have one of the best lifestyles... You purchase insurance and go to the doctor. Also, I really do not care that you have a villa... You do not know the true illegal problem in DR... What do you stay in your villa and beach resort? Go to some of the real places in SD and Santiago you can not even move without bumping into an illegal.
The illegal problem in DR can be compared is the US had everyone from Mex and Canada coming in...
Written by: vacanos, 17 Nov 2009 6:33 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
rosa "I Will say it again: We must resist the temptation to score political points with this incident and encourage for cooler heads to prevail. This could set a dangerous precedent in the DR."
What? are you an spy or something? to the contrary the rata politician of ours like the Franklyn Almeda fought hard to gives these people legal status in the new constitution. These politician looking ahead of time fighting to get this new votes at the ribs of our country.
Forget about our inept politicians It is up to the people now to decide when enough is enought.
From: United States
xwill7...I live in NY state, I am as white as casper the ghost and the one time in my life in 1999 when i had to apply for foodstamps they told me and I quote....I see you have a college education, I suggest you get a job.....end quote....which I did find but my children ate oodles of noodles for weeks until I got my first paycheck, so dont tell me that americans have xy and z, because unless you made nothing in the previous six months of your life and they take thirty days to prove ya aint got nothing, ya dont get nothing. Si? Si!
Written by: xwill7, 17 Nov 2009 6:39 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Amy,
you can not compare you situation to everyone else... In USA you can be all you can be. Why didn't you move to your villa in DR and try to find a job??? You would find zero work because the illegals took all of the jobs
From: United States
xwill7, you are trying to paint a picture that is not real in the US, what you must have a $100K a year job and have it all with your bentley. Cmon get real, not to mention ya live in chicago, so that is why you think if ya just hie a good accountant you can avoid paying taxes...........ah...the picture is clearer now..............i see said the blind man!
Written by: xwill7, 17 Nov 2009 6:53 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
lol its just as expensive here in Chicago as in NYC... We pay 10.25% sales tax that is the highest in the nation. I never said its easy but you should be glad that you are in the good o US of A. Also, the good accountant is not to avoid paying taxes but to find tax shelters and save you $$$.
If you are not happy here in USA why not move toDR??? Its worst right???
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
hey amy take your liberal ideas and stick it up your trailer park white trash ass, you are a compleate moron , to say the least coming here with your tree hugging , we are the world hatians come first and dominicans come second mentality. were do you get off comparing imigration of the united states to imigration of the dominican republic is not even close. did you know that there haitians that cross the border just to cut trees in dr and send them back to haiti ? amy why dont you do us all a favor go cash your check at the welfare office and say hello to the people at acorn for me
Written by: telemeco, 17 Nov 2009 7:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
Amymillen
There are 2 million Dominican living in the USA, when in heck have you seeing Dominican trying to destroy the nation the live in,,,,does we dominican go to Yellowstone and cut all the trees and kill all the bufallo, have you ever being to Washington Height,,,have you seen so many business run by dominicans,,,where is the haitian contribution to DR?, all they do is come to destroy whatever we have and bitch about that there are treaty unfair?,,everytime i meet a haitian they have all this lame escuse it," our leader got killed by the U.S in 1915", this and that, get of your ass and fix your country, many dominican immigrated to U.S, Europe and others, but we alway come back to our home to make our country better, where are the haitian in canada and U.S, europe???? where is they investment,,,you want to know,,,it is in DR. cause they dont even want to come back to the chao called ayti
Written by: vacanos, 17 Nov 2009 7:48 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Amy
Correct me if I'm wrong sweety. By any chance are you the same leftist "we are the world" JET21 who I put in its place? The same one who came in here a few month ago fighting for the Haitians cause by inventing lies and innuendo against my country?
Written by: vacanos, 17 Nov 2009 7:50 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Telemeco
2 million Haitians not counting Santiago and Santo Domingo right?
Written by: telemeco, 17 Nov 2009 8:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
there are 2 million Dominican in the USA, now about the haitian i herd there are that much or even more in santiago, santo domingo and i recently was in san pedro,,it is haitiaville
From: Dominican Republic
Looks like the mojon is already hitting the abanico. This was way sooner than I thought!.
From: Dominican Republic
Who's right, who's wrong; who's wrong, who's right is really all irrelevant since these kinds of isolated acts are taking place and go back and forth in who is guilty.
Sometimes it is the Dominicans and sometimes it is the Haitians. It is both parties faults since no strong firm initiatives are being taken on both governments parts to find better solutions.
Haiti is responsible since they are not sending out communiques to Haitians in DR to calm down and know that they are not in their home country to be acting as such. DR is responsible for not promoting better education for anti-Haitiasmo which cause every situations to get out of hand where both sides do not want to cool it.
WE GOT TO FIX THIS KIND OF HATRED ISSUE REGARDLESS OF PRIDE.
From: Dominican Republic
BUt I expect 1000 post here for this thread. What do you all others think (lol)?
Written by: Micaela, 17 Nov 2009 10:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Afrolatino you got that right; these are isolated acts, not committed by all Dominicans or our government as an attack to Haiti or Haitians. Now tell me which initiatives are we to take to deter Haitians from committing crimes in DR if the risk to their lives is not enough and what promoting better education for anti-Haitianismo has to do with people fed up with Haitian criminal and not criminals all over the place, doing whatever they like in our country. Crimes are not related to pride, it is not pride that makes a Haitian kill a Dominican, but greed; and it is not pride that drives the family or community who lost a member at the hand of a Haitian to seek revenge.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
This won't lead to anything good-it simply can't!
Situation must be redressed, before mob lynchings start.
World cannot stand idly by and let poor DR handle Haitian situation alone.
Rest of of world, and US and France in particular, are accomplices to this predicament and must be held accountable for evolving situation and any bloodshed that might follow.
There is bad blood in Dominican-Haitian history, and nothing is going to erase that fact. Present unchecked immigration further exacerbates this truth, and situation is definitely approaching boiling point.
This is a most sad and complex situation with no easy solution, a condition fueled by anarchy and great greed on the part of Dominican business people and construction and farming industry.
For harmony's sake, the best solution might be repatriation and the creation of a temporary welfare state, supported by UN, with French and American leadership and accountability.
Reforestation is top priority.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Continued:
After reforestation, an agrarian society should emerge and some measure of self-sufficiency achieved. Other developments in the areas of light industrial and tourism should follow shortly, naturally.
Without population growth control, however, it could all be for naught, for there is only so much the available arable land could sustain, and when the balance is broken welfare would be only viable solution. It seems that we are all in sort of a catch 22, so to speak.
Everyone should stop talking democracy or anything similar. A country lacking economic, political and intellectual resources is ill-suited for a democratic form of government. Heck, it doesn't really work that well even in the more developed and economically advantaged countries.
Anyway, these are my "jaundiced eye" two cents view on subject. Hope you'll agree or, if not, issue constructive and respectful rebuttal.
Thank you..
Written by: riosm, 17 Nov 2009 11:25 PM
From: United States
Santana33,
A lot of what you posted I agree with.
I could see it now American's in the next 4 years if not sooner baby boomers by the 10's of thousands retiring early and flocking to the Latin American Country's where their U.S dollars after our great OH'BLAMANOMICS can go a lot farther, but at least they'll migrate South legal.
I like millions can't wait till 2012 where real Change will happen, back to the basics which made America great in the first place and was the model for many Country's to follow.
Ever notice how China and the Russia are turning Capitalist while the U.S is turning Socialist.
Where's my good Friend Loco Lefty, better known as "JOSEAN DA CHOSEN" when you need um. ?
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
@glomarexplorer
your are 100% percent on target,
Thank you for being very articulate in explaining these complex issues to those on this forum that are clueless but like to fire away.
Written by: curlando, 18 Nov 2009 7:04 AM
From: United States, Bronx
I have been traveling to DR for six year and I see more and more Haitians. They don't bother me and I don't bother them, but in Sosua I see more Haitian hooker and they get angry because I don't bother with them. I just tell them I didn't come to DR to be with a Haitian. The pretty much get angry and walk away. When the police arrest the Haitian they put up quite a fight.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
curlando please stop coming to the DR for hookers......please try another destination
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
From: United States, Rochester, NY
Tell Curlando to buy American! Blutarsky's on target .
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
i bet curlando is talking about male hookers
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
glomar
Tip of the hat for your comments
no rebuttal necessary.
Written by: Lopez31, 18 Nov 2009 11:10 AM
From: United States
Dominicans,
The haitians problem is not going away! We share the same island for good sakes, we can sit here and blame haitians for all these problems. The reality is that the problem lies with all these un educated politicians who hold office and are unable to find a solution.
This is what you get when a person with a 6th grade education holds a senate seat just because he knows someone. WE NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION, and the solution needs to be solved within first and then we'll tackle the haitian immigration problem.
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 11:19 AM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
curlando,
hookers are for Dominicans that live in DR.. If you are Dominican living in USA you should not need to buy a hooker... Women should be after you...Do you have any game?
From: United States
I am American. My fiance is from the DRand currently lives there until we get his visa. The last time I was in the DR I was struck by the number of Haitian children roaming the streets in rags, begging for food. It brought tears to my eyes. If illegal Haitians make up 20% of the population, immigration officials and top government officials must take drastic steps to stop this. My fiance is lucky if he works 2 or 3 days aweek because there are so many Haitian men who will work for pennies. You can't blame poor, desperate people for doing whatever they have to do to survive. It is the responsibility of GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS to protect people who legally live within their borders. Who is illegally employing these people? Immigration officials need to crackdown on those who are providing this employment. Haitians are going to the DR to work because no on is stopping them. Former BillClinton is trying to encourage foreign investment in Haiti. The world must support this initiative.
From: United States
Does this sounds like a double stabdards if dominicans living in the US illegal and haitians cannot stay illegal in the DR. I, who is haitian by heritage, but american by birth have great sympathy towards immigrants in general. Face it, dominicans have a great hostility towards haitians. The resentment is embeded in the dominican society. Here in the United States there are many illegals here. We have lots of people who are from the DR who are illegal. For example, there is a large illegal dominican enclave in wahington heights in NY and Allapatah in Miami, and also in the Lyn Mass. Everyone is in search of a better life. We all need to respect human dignity.
If you are from a country and the country you are from have its citizens living in some one else's country illegals in a huge quantity then you as an individual cannot jude an illegal living in your country. That is double standard.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111
Written by: vacanos, 18 Nov 2009 11:59 AM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
rubirosa
"Huma rights in haiti !"
Ruby I bet they blame us for that too to promote their evil and disgusting agenda. I woudln't be surprise if the evil Jesuit get a piece of those niña being sold as slaves in Haiti.
From: United States
In my opinion, illegal immigration needs to be addressed by the Dominican government if it’s such a strain on the country resources and citizen. Solutions need to be proposed; if its deportation, amnesty, citizenship, etc. A mob chasing down one guy in the name of justice is not a solution. Also they were burning tires and throwing trash. Who is that harming? Dominicans are destroying there own communities, makes no sense.
From my very limited knowledge it seems Haitians are needed for menial jobs that Dominicans are not willing to do (ex. work in the sugar-cane fields, domestic workers, etc.).
Mayor Bloomberg said this a few yrs ago about illegal immigrants:
Rather than costing city taxpayers, Bloomberg said illegal immigrants were an essential part of the U.S. economy, saying: "All the jobs that they do - who would fill those jobs? Nobody else is willing to do it."
If all illegals are deported tomorrow NYC would come to a standstill; who's going to babysit, deliver food,
Written by: vacanos, 18 Nov 2009 12:08 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Lopez
You got that right but forget about our inept politicians from now on. I wish we had our patriot Balaguer in charge giving all these human right pest and the international NGO hell but that is not the case. What we got now is pure greed from our politicians. One of the convicted PLAN RENOBE is running for Diputado in Santiago for PRD. That should really tell you how JODIO we are as a country.
The way I see it is up to our people like these people from La Vega real to start taking back our country. Then elevate a patriot into office. Our faith on politician to protect our Dominican identity die when Balaguer passed away. Simple as that.
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 12:15 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
consue,
who says that dominicans don't want sugar and domestic jobs? You know nothing about dominicans... Many people in the country side would take these jobs... The issue is that the illegal person drives the daily pay way down... I know people that have been looking for work for months and will work in any area...
From: United States
vacanos...yesterday was my first experience with this nonense, however, i say this, cry me a river, the US gives immigrants education, food and healthcare, before they even take care of their own, until yesterday I truly beleived that all people should be treated as people, but the people that i have encountered in the forum have proved me wrong, for the record, I put myself and my four children through college with help from only God himself, and have health insurance that I pay for, and 401 K, and i pay for everything in cash, I have no debt. because i work for everything i have, no one gives me a hand out and Praise GOD I do not have to ask for one. Put me in my place...lets see my place is in the USA, with a great Job, home, a good life and the ability to sit back and laugh at you dumbazzes. I agree with you now, whatever country you are born in you should be made to stay there forever so i will remember how i vote in the next election on immigration policies in the US...Thank you
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 1:12 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
amy,
you did not answer the question. Why not live in DR??? Don't want to live with the illegals? No Jobs? illegals begging on the street?
Next time you are in DR... step out of your protected tourist area and see what we are talking about. Its easy to talk garbage without ever seeing the truth with your own eyes. You wont like it when there are 20 illegal kids hounding you for some pesos
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 1:19 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
dor,
1 million in SD
1 million in Santiago
1 million in all other towns + border towns
Just drive your car for a while, you will get tired of counting
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 1:37 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
abc can give you the cost
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 1:37 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
abc can give you the cost
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 1:37 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
dom,
there are a ton in POP... I guess the slimy pansu from Euro like the cheaper cost of a hatian girl... But the slimy euro man will need to buy a bag or cover her face with a pillow! lol I have seen some in Sosua, its a shame that they let this go on, you can not even take your children to a public beach without the kids having to see that garbage
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 1:39 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
dom,
you have to account all of the ones on the move cominig in and out of Haiti too
From: United States, New York City
"I'm from la vega, but I never heard about manga larga or unipollo.... it must be wayyyy in the country side."
Manga Larga is right next to Rio Verde, which I'm sure you heard of.
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 2:04 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
lol dom,
I will record the illegal guy that screams every morning... boto basura!!! limpio holla!!! brillo zapato!!!
I will post it on youtube when I get back... Your going from la vega to pop??? you better have some good tires, too many pot holes man
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
@ Domex
Here is a good forum Which Im sure most of you will appreciate.
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LMFAO. The sad part it's true. The worst part is most here will be perplex about not being welcome.
Very good one my friend. Funny when you asked for facts about that famous stats nobody can give you a valid answer. There seems to be a lot of people here who just suffers From turret syndrome.
From: United States
xwill7,
um have ya seen freaking Miami lately helllooooo. or the nothern central states? ya think i have to go to DR to see illegals and people begging, get real it is right here in our backyard, come back to reality for a moment, and i do not stay in a tourist area there, i stay where the regular everyday people stay, and everytime someone asked me for money whatever loose change i had in my pocket i gave it to them, the same as i do when i am home, i guess, being different than you i know if i am giving GOD will be pleased with me, it just the way I think and it must be working because I am truly blessed in my life. My husband who is a student in the DR, loses power almost everytime we talk on the phone at the residence we pay for, the cell service there sucks balls and people drive like animals without car insurance, that is why i do not go to the DR. I love the judgement that is passed here, it is oh so amusing, the anger and hate comes through in every word you spew.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
PatDiamond & Trinitario,
Thank you for supporting my comments above and kind words.
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: cibaeño75, 18 Nov 2009 1:55 PM
From: United States, New York City
"I'm from la vega, but I never heard about manga larga or unipollo.... it must be wayyyy in the country side."
Manga Larga is right next to Rio Verde, which I'm sure you heard of.
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I just asked my Wife she is from El Ricon campo en la Vega, and she had a puzzled look in her face lol, never heard of it.
From: United States, New York City
"I just asked my Wife she is from El Ricon campo en la Vega, and she had a puzzled look in her face lol, never heard of it. "
Manga Larga and Rio Verde can be accessed via the principal road that connects Santiago to La Vega...if you're taking said road from Santiago to La Vega both before mentioned communities can be reached by making a right off the principal road a little before arriving at the actual city of La Vega. They're not to far from STI.
Written by: Lautaro, 18 Nov 2009 2:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Why don't you come to Punta Cana or Bavaro, domex2k3? Cuz' last time I went to those places (about a month ago), I was this close to believing that I was on Port Au Prince or Le Cap instead. You'll even find some advertisements in kreyol ayisien, for God's sake. No wonder the gringos staying in the all inclusives over there are unable to tell a dominican from an haitian anymore these days, cuz' as Jean Max Bellerive, the current haitian prime minister would say "Everybody in Haiti have gone away" (as in, describing the ongoing exodus eastward of the haitian nation).
Written by: msjersey, 18 Nov 2009 2:34 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
don't ever trust them.
From: Dominican Republic
cibaeño75
No im sorry i was talking about the Unipollo.
From: United States
The poverty rate for immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) is two-thirds higher than that of natives and their children, 17.6 percent versus 10.6 percent. Immigrants and their minor children now account for almost one in four persons living in poverty. The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 24.5 percent compared to 16.3 percent for native households. One-third of immigrants do not have health insurance ? 2.5 times the rate for natives. Immigrants who arrived after 1989 and their U.S.-born children account for 95 percent (7.5 million) of the 7.8 million increase in the size the uninsured population since 1989.
The low educational attainment and resulting low wages of many immigrants are the primary reasons so many live in poverty, use welfare, and lack health insurance, not their legal status or an unwillingness to work. Immigration accounts for virtually all of the national increase in public school enrollment..stats 4 u
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: domex2k3, 18 Nov 2009 1:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic
WOW someone stated here, that there is 3 million Haitians in RD! is this true? please post some facts, and how do we know how many, if they are undocumented, who is counting?
Here is a good forum, which im sure most of you will appreciate. WHITE POWER BABY!
Stormfront - White Nationalist Community
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/__________________________________________________________
LMAO Good ONE!!
From: Dominican Republic
Domex if you get confuse doing your survey use this old method.
Trujillo had his soldiers apply to determine whether or not those living on the border were native Dominicans who spoke Spanish fluently. Soldiers would hold up a sprig of parsley, ask "What is this?", and assume that those who could not pronounce the Spanish word perejil (called pèsi in Haitian Creole, persil in French) were Haitian.[3] Within the Dominican Republic itself, the massacre is known as El Corte ("the cutting").
From: United States, New York City
"cibaeño75
No im sorry i was talking about the Unipollo."
No need to feel sorry...I don't know where Unipollo is located either! LOL
Written by: vacanos, 18 Nov 2009 3:32 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
lautaro "Why don't you come to Punta Cana or Bavaro, domex2k3? Cuz' last time I went to those places (about a month ago), I was close to believe that I was on Port Au Prince or Le Cap"
I comented on this before about Bavaro becoming another Puerto Plata with right now over 50,000 haitiano in Bavaro alone.
This is how they harrass you there in par running with your vehicle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTM_SQ_vMiMWritten by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 3:39 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
amy,
I could care less about miami... The fact is that you come in here trying to compare USA's problems to DR. Just because you have a husband in DR does not make you an expert... Wow he must be living the life with you paying all of the bills... I hope you know that he probably has 3 or 4 more women besides you, its the Dominican way! You say he is a student? You should see all of the women in the universities, wow! He must be getting alot of action... Sorry but odds are that I am correct.
FYI, most of the people that are begging actually have to give up the money collected from blind tourists. They have to give it to their parents or who ever put them out on the streets to beg. Why don't you buy them a meal?
From: Dominican Republic
This is how they harrass you there in par running with your vehicle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTM_SQ_vMiM_________________________________________________________
domex there you go no need to do your census, vacano just showed you 50,000 haitians running at a bus. lol
Written by: vacanos, 18 Nov 2009 3:46 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Timing
Are you looking for scapegoat because you are not capable of reading? LOL
Oh wait I know what you looking bring it on patua
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 3:48 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
lol vacano,
glad the driver was not predio!
wait, don't let amy see that video she will tell you that the video is from haiti not punta cana
Written by: vacanos, 18 Nov 2009 3:59 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
xwill
Timing took offense after watching the video go figure LOL
Written by: vacanos, 18 Nov 2009 4:00 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Timing "Trujillo had his soldiers apply"
DR-hater let me bring you the event that let to the cutting. The same thing that is happening today with the Haitians stealing our people's livestock, murdering our people in the fronteras, deforesting the fronteras where Bahoruco is an replica of Haiti. The same thing Trujillo saw in his day in fact it was a worst invasion they controled the currency
"For some months, I have traveled and traversed the frontier in every sense of the word. I have seen, investigated, and inquired about the needs of the population. To the Dominicans who were complaining of the depredations by Haitians living among them, thefts of cattle, provisions, fruits, etc., and were thus prevented from enjoying in peace the products of their labor, I have responded, ‘I will fix this.’ And we have already begun to remedy the situation. Three hundred Haitians are now dead in Bánica. This remedy will continue"
Richard Lee Turtis, “A World Destroyed, A Nation Imposed
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 4:01 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
man that feels like when you are waiting at the light in Santiago near burger king... And that light takes for ever I usually cross it if no cars are coming
Written by: antonioj, 18 Nov 2009 4:11 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: domex2k3, 18 Nov 2009 1:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Yeah illegals needs to be handle in lawful manner, but 3 million those numbers are just outrageous.
"
Some claim it was around 4 millions, these number are being added exponentially, who is doing the math ?
Written by: vacanos, 18 Nov 2009 4:11 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
xwill
That video is from Punta Cana. You got that right Imagine la calle las carreras en Santiago the comercialization of these niños Haitiano being sold in Haiti to work the street of our country. This is as other posted stated is where the tourist take home and decide not to come back to our dirt poverty country in their eye. The main culpable here is our goverment first for allowing our country to be absolve into this chaos.
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 4:16 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
vacano,
that is unacceptable especially if punta cana is DR's premium resort spot.
Written by: vacanos, 18 Nov 2009 4:22 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Xwill
the first time I went to the Bavaro area was in 1996 to El Cortecito. Felt in love with the town. I was just a year out of high school and I said to mysefl I want a house in this place. Right now to me is a bad idea they are being overun by Haitians.
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 4:27 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
man I hope samana does not get full of illegals, I did not see too many in las terrenas. I think Samana has a good chance of staying illegal free since most shop owners are not Dominican
Written by: vacanos, 18 Nov 2009 4:36 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
I went to las terrena a few month ago. I know the haitians are a very resilient people and know their way but to us Dominican it is tough to get there and we are Dominican. It will take time for them to master the road there. :) The road to Las Terrena have to be aside from La Cumbre de Santiago and Contansa the toughest narrow road in DR. God help anybody who need emergency and need to get to the city from Las Terrenas. Se queda en el camino. About 40 minute driving in curvy mountain.
Xwill did you stop to eat at the chinese restaurant?
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 4:43 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
lol
chinese restaurant??? no where? I did take the crazy road. I think I set a prayer to ask god to help us make it... All I was thinking was "please do not fail brakes" lol but when you get there its worth it... I did blow out a tire coming back between SFM and moca. It was night and I had to change that tire in the dark... fastest tire I ever changed lol
Written by: Sajomero, 18 Nov 2009 4:44 PM
From: United States, Del primer Santiago de America....y el mejor!!!
Bavaro is actually a pretty scary place if you don't know your way around. From friends that work in Bavaro, I hear that the population is about 80 % Haitian. So if tourists are getting discouraged from wandering out of their resorts, its not Dominicans to be blamed. Personally I have no desire to return to Bavaro ever again or until drastic measures are taken to clean it up and make it safer.
Written by: Lautaro, 18 Nov 2009 4:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Vacanos,
If possible, the road to Los Haitises park is even more brutal and dangerous than the ones you mentioned above. Once, on a college trip to that natural reserve, I thought that the bus in which I was in would go down a precipice, trying to avoid a bloody patanero. That road has been nicknamed by some people here "El camino de la serpiente". Although the beautiful sights and scenery that we found on the park were well worth the dangers of the trip, in my humble opinion.
Written by: antonioj, 18 Nov 2009 5:00 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: Blutarsky, 18 Nov 2009 7:11 AM
From: United States, Faber College Double Secret Probation
curlando please stop coming to the DR for hookers......please try another destination
"
Blut, who are you to blame an old fart, if he can only score with a hooker, let bygones be bygones (like there is nothing wrong with that)
From: United States
It is unfortunate that discussions turn away from the original issue. I am American. I have lived for many years in a Caribbean country. Like I stated above I love the DR. I am making my first trip to Haiti in April to help renovate a high school. I don't believe in double standards as I was accused of above. Just because I am American does not mean I am to blame for immigration problems in the US. "Illegal" immigrant means that person does not have the right to be where he or she is whether the person is Dominican, Haitian, or American. This discussion is about illegal immigration into the DR of Haitian nationals. Not about illegal Dominicans into the US or whatever. It is a very difficult issue to tackle or everyone would have done it correctly. If the gentlemen who accused me of double standards read my original statement he would see that I never mentioned about immigration into the US. You have to respect the fact that countries around the world need to protect their citizens.
Written by: vacanos, 18 Nov 2009 5:07 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Sajomero
I been discussing this topic here. I saw a program on zona 5 telemicro and they asserted it was 50,000 and their number is higher than Dominican living there. Take a look at his article
La presencia de la Dirección General de Migración en la zona turística es prácticamente nula. Hace más de un año que la institución instaló una oficina, supuestamente para controlar la situación de los extranjeros indocumentados, pero nada funciona allí. El fantasma de la ineficiencia ronda por el lugar.
La Policía Turística (POLITUR) tiene su cuartel en una zona visible, con varios agentes y vehículos asignados. Pero su trabajo fuera del área de los hoteles deja mucho que desear.
Ninguna autoridad competente tiene una idea acabada de la cantidad de haitianos indocumentados radicados en Bávaro-Punta Cana y en el poblado de Verón no es cuantificable. Algunos hablan de 40,000, otros sitúan la cifra de 45,000 y muy pocos creen que hay alrededor de 50,000.
Written by: antonioj, 18 Nov 2009 5:12 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 5:12 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
andrea,
someone named amy tried to compare the DR illegals problem to the US illegals problems. She is still upset that they did not approve her welfare check. You are correct that is not our problem. We should keep on topic and try to find solutions.
Make sure to pack gallons of bug spray when you go to haiti
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 5:21 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
I hope the next administration does something about this.
Written by: vacanos, 18 Nov 2009 5:25 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Lautaro
I believe you it was scary, There are many other scary road in our country where you have to see it to live it like also Santiago-San jose de la mata. The wife's father of an uncle of mine die there. But contansa is where I put my money on scary of scary road. It is one of our 8 wonder of DR and there are people I know including my father that will not take his vehicle to that road. At one point driving there to a relative the Rav4 I though was straight up I though we were going down. Thank God we made it.
Written by: vacanos, 18 Nov 2009 5:26 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Xwill
The chinese restaurant is at the center of Las terrenas. It is where the street become one way where you make the left.
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 5:32 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Ok I think I know. I will check it out... I went to la salsa and this other place on the courner that had white round chairs. I think it was called cabana. it was good. If you didnt rent an ATV you should next time. They say not to take it out of las terrenas but I went way past el limon on ATV.
Written by: vacanos, 18 Nov 2009 5:40 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
xwill
ATV have to hot there I saw a lot of people driving around on it. I will next time. I went there for the most part to visit a friend of mine who used to have an auto sound business right next to my shop before he retired. His family owns a lot of acres of beach-front property in las terrenas. Not yet developed.
Written by: xwill7, 18 Nov 2009 6:24 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
I was thinking about buy some beach front land but I love Santiago and can't be too far from it. If it was easier to get to and I had family in Samana then I might do it. But I will stick to just going to the resorts..
I stayed at Alisei luxury suite. I had the penthouse room. It was great... I would return to that hotel again
Written by: antonioj, 18 Nov 2009 7:05 PM
From: Canada, home safe
DR have taken the sick and the poor haitians, enough.
Written by: antonioj, 18 Nov 2009 7:08 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Atabey good point, I am the opinion and firmly believe population control or reduction is part of the answer to the Haitian the problem.
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: vacanos, 18 Nov 2009 3:46 PM
From: United States, because to much of a coward to live in DR
Timing
Are you looking for scapegoat because you are not capable of reading? LOL
Oh wait I know what you looking bring it on patua
_________________________________________________
Scapegoat is exactly what this topic is, blaming all of the fucked up corruption that we have, on haitians. Thank God people like Nuria and Alicia Ortega don't focused on pity issues like you, if so we would have lost focused of real problems, affecting our Country a long time ago.
Written by: msjersey, 18 Nov 2009 7:22 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
Written by: vacanos, 19 Nov 2009 10:34 AM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Timing "Scapegoat is exactly what this topic is, blaming all of the fucked up corruption that we have, on haitians. Thank God people like Nuria and Alicia Ortega don't focused on pity issues like you, if so we would have lost focused of real problems, affecting our Country a long time ago."
Tiempito can you at least read. Don't you see what is going around against your people. Can't you see what this community of Las Vegas is demanding you jerk. They want to live in peace and enjoy their life like they used to before this peaceful invasion started. More and more town across DR are revolting. If the goverment will not do the job they are pay by the people to protect them against foreign invasion the people like in 1844 will take their justice in their own hand. Let the goverment be bought and then intimidated by outsider. Cuando empiece la reconquista de nuestro pais espero que usted haga una buena decision. :) wink
Written by: vacanos, 19 Nov 2009 10:48 AM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
msjersey "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CYS79sQXs&feature=relatedTHIS IS WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH MY COUNTRY."
I know it is a shame none of our politicians act in a patriotic way like Balaguer. The good imbecile now are fighting each other for the future vote of the great majority of Haitians. Franklyn Almedo, Luis Tolentino, ect are nothing more than traitor. In another time where the patriotism was evident these lacras will had gone down by the bayobanet. Look we had an ex-vicepresident of our nation in Milagros Ortiz Bosch who wanted adopt Solain pierre in case she was declared illegal by the court.
Thank you God that during the struggle of our country during the civil war Balaguer triumped over another Bosch. That when I grew up during Balaguer our country was peaceful and we didn't have this crap around. I have no doubt that had Bosch woudld had been the leader after the civil war it will had been as Peña Gomez once said una isla indivisible.
From: Dominican Republic
Vacanos Brethren don't forget that we are not Physical beings having a Spiritual experience but Spiritual beings having a Physical experience.
That being said it seems as if you have lost your ways, along the path of your journey, please find your true inner self again, since your Spiritual light is just as Bright as the rest of US.
Brethrens its time we all collaborate Minds, and open up our Eyes and our Minds, to the Lies they have been feeding US. Black, Brown , or White its time to Unite to Fight for our God Divine Rights, and Stop the illusion of Racial and Nations division Confusion.
Because our Body,Mind and Soul is soon to Evolve to Reach its full Potential.
Written by: vacanos, 19 Nov 2009 1:03 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Timing this is what you stated "blaming all of the fucked up corruption that we have, on haitians"
then I was explaining to you to look at the article.
timing " if you have lost your ways, along the path of your journey, please find your true inner self again, since your Spiritual light is just as Bright as the rest of US. "
God help us all if the majority in time like the many traitor politician think like you do. Then we will be doom as Dominican and as your hero Peña once stated una isla indivisible.
Written by: vacanos, 19 Nov 2009 1:06 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
That is the problem with you people when you feel cornered you resort to racism, humanism, ect. Did I mention color or categorize them as a race? No I'm just stating my point of view as DOMINICAN at least I have that priviledge for now. In a few year I will be charge I guess if I express myself with idea like
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC FOR THE DOMINICANS
From: United States
There are millions of illegals immigrants in the US that the US feeds, clothes, educates and provides medical care for every single day, some of those people are Dominican, therefore there is a portion of the Domincan population doing to the US, the very same thing you are complaining Hatians are doing to DR. If you could read it would be great. If you had any class what so ever you would not even spoke of my husband that way, even if he was screwing every single woman in the country you would not have said such a thing, therefore, I now rest my case as you have showed who and what you are.................Thank you.
From: United States
vacanos, that was not meant toward you or your comments, i find you to be very respectful even as you and I disagreed you were still very respectful. TY
Written by: vacanos, 19 Nov 2009 1:36 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
"You are a pissing, moaning, cry me a river, racist, douchebag and my point only point was everyone is free, even your nasty ass, I hope a band of Haitians eat your ass for supper bitch!"
People like the one on top who want to come here force his view on us then when found out we think as Dominican first brand us as racist. These rats is the people that Balaguer warmed us about.
Written by: xwill7, 19 Nov 2009 2:12 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
wow amy,
the trailer park attitude just comes out naturally for you... I don't think you are a CPA... you would not be complaining about paying taxes, you would have seltered yourself under tax umbrellas...
The real issue here is that you are racists against anyone that comes to the US that is not American like you. You can not compare the two nations
Written by: xwill7, 19 Nov 2009 2:13 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
vacano,
you are right.. people like that automatically pull the race card on Dominicans
Written by: msjersey, 19 Nov 2009 7:12 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
franklin almeida wants to legalize all the hatians in our country.
imagine that? i would say in less than a year the rest of them will cross
over to our side to get legal document.
god help us all.
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
amy is the reason why you should never commit the act of incest with you sister or brother , this bleeding liberal tree hugger, says haitians comes first there humans you must give them your house your car your job , why your at give them the free health care too so wht if there illegals, so what if theres 3 million of them so what if they rob and steal so what if they might be sexual predators. amy I wonder if this was happening to you , how soon would it take you to say there taking are jobs.
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: hellborn25, 19 Nov 2009 8:04 PM
From: United States
why your at give them the free health care too
________________________________________
LMAO lol Where?? so that i can inform the peoples, who sometimes hold up ropes, and stop vehicles for donations so that a family member can get a critical operation.
Written by: Lautaro, 24 Nov 2009 11:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
time2rize asked: LMAO lol Where?? so that i can inform the peoples, who sometimes hold up ropes, and stop vehicles for donations so that a family member can get a critical operation.
Ask in the Metropolitan Hospital of Santiago, where they have an entire wing devoted to attending the needs of that people, and in their own kreyol ayisien, no less. Would it be too much for you to recognize that there's no country on this earth that have done so much for Haiti as the DR has?
From: Dominican Republic
Lautaro,
Ask in the Metropolitan Hospital of Santiago, where they have an entire wing devoted to attending the needs of that people, and in their own kreyol ayisien, no less. Would it be too much for you to recognize that there's no country on this earth that have done so much for Haiti as the DR has?
______________________________________________________________________________
I was referring to Dominicans
Hey thanks i will see if can get some business cards from there so every time i get pulled over i will also hand them over a card. well the Haitians that i know have had to pay for there care. It is fucked up, if Haitians get better free care then Dominicans, since Dominicans do not get any Quality care at all. Did you hear about the case of the baby that was put in a garbage bag, because the Doctor thought the baby was dead.
check here
http://www.nuria.com.do/casos.php look for Maternidad La Altagracia
Written by: Moosejaw, 25 Mar 2010 3:44 PM
From: United States
xwill7 is right, you cannot effectively compare the 2 nations in this respect.
From: United States
MMMMMMMMMMMMM.......The name Amy really must taste so good because it is in so many mouths........It is not comparing countries it is comparing the immigration problem, and if you think DR has a worse immigration problem that the US when you have ONE country tryimg to gain entry to DR and US has many, that is insane. you do not think mericans also experience illegial immigrants that come into this country and take jobs because they will work for less you are crazy, and are prisons are full of illegals, so every tax payer has to support them after they came here and robbed or killed someone. Also there are no umbrellas for FICA, FED & State Taxes I was referring to my payroll taxes not my asset taxes oh brilliant one. OMG! and I am the one who comes from a trailer.......hahahahahahahaahahaha! this is very funny.
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This is what happens when the laws aren't enforced! If we had a migration policy this wouldn't be happening!
Justice for the dead paisa!
"I am not aiming to fan the flames...But this looks uncomfortably close to ethnic cleansing."
What?!! Ethnic Cleansing? Do you know what ethnic cleansing is?
This is not ethnic cleansing, this is a group of nationals fed up with being overrun by foreigners and taking matters in their own hands after losing one of their own at the hands of an outsider. Until immigration is not enforced, this scenario will repeat itself IN RETALIATION for every crime these illegals commit. I am not justifying the mob mentality or the resulting actions but am not surprised to see headlines such as this which has nothing to do with ethnic cleansing.
La vega real will show the rest of the country how is done. This is a travesty and a sad story what is going on around our country.
Balaguer predicted what is happening now in our country and wrote about the people behind this calamity against our country. Too bad our politician too busy counting the money. It is up to the people not the politician when is enough is enough.
AY MI CASITA
There is 3 million Haitians and counting in our third world country whose people barely making end meet. We go to the USA for the most part in accordance with that country's law. The Haitian not only comes illegal to DR but wreck havoc where the bahoruco zone right now is an replica of Haiti. Whetever they go it is a path of destruction. Do you feel me :)
The Dominican migration to the states CANNOT be compared to the Haitian invasion of the Dominican side of the island. Illegal Dominicans do not constitute nearly 20% of the American population. If they did, then surely problems would arise from American citizens protecting the life they are legally entitled to.
How would you feel if your small town became overrun with people that do not belong there? And one of these caused you or your family an irreparable harm?
As an American I agree that all ILLEGAL Dominicans and nationals from all countries should be removed and tougher measured enforced, not because the US is overrun by Dominicans but because it is wrong, there is a system in place that needs to be respected.
As a Dominican, I agree that all ILLEGAL Haitians be removed and tougher measures enforced PRECISELY BECAUSE the DR is being overrun AND because it is wrong. A system needs to be put in place.
Yes there are illegal Dominicans in the US, Puerto Rico, Spain... I am not challenging the fact nor do I suggest the denial of anyone's human right's. Illegal Haitian immigration is a huge problem. Not because Dominicans do not want to help Haitians (I believe in my heart, we do) but NOT at the expense of our own people. NOT if it means sacrificing work, food or resources for OUR citizens, many of which are ALREADY going through hard times. It is already a poor third world country WITHOUT the burden of non-contributing, uninvited illegals.
Illegal Dominicans do not have this effect on the US. But I agree they should be removed anyway. Not because they don't deserve the better life they seek but because it needs to be offered by the host, not taken by the guest. US is a country of immigrants but things need to be done with order.
DR does not have the infrastructure to absorb such a tidal wave of people. Remember, close to 20 PERCENT of the DRs population is there illegall
Amy Racism?
Thiis is what our Doctor Balaguer refered to in the 80's from these people's agenda against us. Making thing up against us so we bend and allows them to come into our country and do what they did to their country. I hope the Dominicans here who are not big fan of Balaguer see for what is happening to our country.
That's most Dominican's dream, instead we're faced with the present nightmare.
the US is doing good in some states and bad in others... DR has low number of jobs everywhere. Do not compare the US to DR... A poor person in USA can get medical attention and get welfare... In DR you have to eat what you find no one will help... Don't come in here talking like you know about DR
It depends what state you live in... belive me I have seen every race on welfare... What are you from slow southern state??
You are quite the humanitarian. I applaud that. So you would not mind struggling so that others have a better life? Very admirable. Unfortunately, socialism has largely failed because people look out for themselves and their own BEFORE they look out for others.
As an American I hate that I pay so much taxes due to the immense abused social welfare programs that exist. If the millions of anchor babies in the US were born in their parents home country this past decade, our financial situation would be different (better). Not that these babies do not deserve the services they receive but just noting that hard fact. That is what us legal American citizens are giving up.
Problem is that the world expects the burden of the Haitian to fall on the DR and that the DR should be the one to give. Haitians should be helped but the DR can barely carry its own weight, the extra 20% is not helping. This is a matter for the international community to resolve, NOT the DR.
find a good accountant and you wont pay... Americans do have one of the best lifestyles... You purchase insurance and go to the doctor. Also, I really do not care that you have a villa... You do not know the true illegal problem in DR... What do you stay in your villa and beach resort? Go to some of the real places in SD and Santiago you can not even move without bumping into an illegal.
The illegal problem in DR can be compared is the US had everyone from Mex and Canada coming in...
What? are you an spy or something? to the contrary the rata politician of ours like the Franklyn Almeda fought hard to gives these people legal status in the new constitution. These politician looking ahead of time fighting to get this new votes at the ribs of our country.
Forget about our inept politicians It is up to the people now to decide when enough is enought.
you can not compare you situation to everyone else... In USA you can be all you can be. Why didn't you move to your villa in DR and try to find a job??? You would find zero work because the illegals took all of the jobs
If you are not happy here in USA why not move toDR??? Its worst right???
There are 2 million Dominican living in the USA, when in heck have you seeing Dominican trying to destroy the nation the live in,,,,does we dominican go to Yellowstone and cut all the trees and kill all the bufallo, have you ever being to Washington Height,,,have you seen so many business run by dominicans,,,where is the haitian contribution to DR?, all they do is come to destroy whatever we have and bitch about that there are treaty unfair?,,everytime i meet a haitian they have all this lame escuse it," our leader got killed by the U.S in 1915", this and that, get of your ass and fix your country, many dominican immigrated to U.S, Europe and others, but we alway come back to our home to make our country better, where are the haitian in canada and U.S, europe???? where is they investment,,,you want to know,,,it is in DR. cause they dont even want to come back to the chao called ayti
Correct me if I'm wrong sweety. By any chance are you the same leftist "we are the world" JET21 who I put in its place? The same one who came in here a few month ago fighting for the Haitians cause by inventing lies and innuendo against my country?
2 million Haitians not counting Santiago and Santo Domingo right?
Who's right, who's wrong; who's wrong, who's right is really all irrelevant since these kinds of isolated acts are taking place and go back and forth in who is guilty.
Sometimes it is the Dominicans and sometimes it is the Haitians. It is both parties faults since no strong firm initiatives are being taken on both governments parts to find better solutions.
Haiti is responsible since they are not sending out communiques to Haitians in DR to calm down and know that they are not in their home country to be acting as such. DR is responsible for not promoting better education for anti-Haitiasmo which cause every situations to get out of hand where both sides do not want to cool it.
WE GOT TO FIX THIS KIND OF HATRED ISSUE REGARDLESS OF PRIDE.
Situation must be redressed, before mob lynchings start.
World cannot stand idly by and let poor DR handle Haitian situation alone.
Rest of of world, and US and France in particular, are accomplices to this predicament and must be held accountable for evolving situation and any bloodshed that might follow.
There is bad blood in Dominican-Haitian history, and nothing is going to erase that fact. Present unchecked immigration further exacerbates this truth, and situation is definitely approaching boiling point.
This is a most sad and complex situation with no easy solution, a condition fueled by anarchy and great greed on the part of Dominican business people and construction and farming industry.
For harmony's sake, the best solution might be repatriation and the creation of a temporary welfare state, supported by UN, with French and American leadership and accountability.
Reforestation is top priority.
After reforestation, an agrarian society should emerge and some measure of self-sufficiency achieved. Other developments in the areas of light industrial and tourism should follow shortly, naturally.
Without population growth control, however, it could all be for naught, for there is only so much the available arable land could sustain, and when the balance is broken welfare would be only viable solution. It seems that we are all in sort of a catch 22, so to speak.
Everyone should stop talking democracy or anything similar. A country lacking economic, political and intellectual resources is ill-suited for a democratic form of government. Heck, it doesn't really work that well even in the more developed and economically advantaged countries.
Anyway, these are my "jaundiced eye" two cents view on subject. Hope you'll agree or, if not, issue constructive and respectful rebuttal.
Thank you..
A lot of what you posted I agree with.
I could see it now American's in the next 4 years if not sooner baby boomers by the 10's of thousands retiring early and flocking to the Latin American Country's where their U.S dollars after our great OH'BLAMANOMICS can go a lot farther, but at least they'll migrate South legal.
I like millions can't wait till 2012 where real Change will happen, back to the basics which made America great in the first place and was the model for many Country's to follow.
Ever notice how China and the Russia are turning Capitalist while the U.S is turning Socialist.
Where's my good Friend Loco Lefty, better known as "JOSEAN DA CHOSEN" when you need um. ?
your are 100% percent on target,
Thank you for being very articulate in explaining these complex issues to those on this forum that are clueless but like to fire away.
Huma rights in haiti !
http://www.listindiario.com/app/article.aspx?id=121958
i bet curlando is talking about male hookers
glomar
Tip of the hat for your comments
no rebuttal necessary.
The haitians problem is not going away! We share the same island for good sakes, we can sit here and blame haitians for all these problems. The reality is that the problem lies with all these un educated politicians who hold office and are unable to find a solution.
This is what you get when a person with a 6th grade education holds a senate seat just because he knows someone. WE NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION, and the solution needs to be solved within first and then we'll tackle the haitian immigration problem.
hookers are for Dominicans that live in DR.. If you are Dominican living in USA you should not need to buy a hooker... Women should be after you...Do you have any game?
If you are from a country and the country you are from have its citizens living in some one else's country illegals in a huge quantity then you as an individual cannot jude an illegal living in your country. That is double standard.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111
"Huma rights in haiti !"
Ruby I bet they blame us for that too to promote their evil and disgusting agenda. I woudln't be surprise if the evil Jesuit get a piece of those niña being sold as slaves in Haiti.
From my very limited knowledge it seems Haitians are needed for menial jobs that Dominicans are not willing to do (ex. work in the sugar-cane fields, domestic workers, etc.).
Mayor Bloomberg said this a few yrs ago about illegal immigrants:
Rather than costing city taxpayers, Bloomberg said illegal immigrants were an essential part of the U.S. economy, saying: "All the jobs that they do - who would fill those jobs? Nobody else is willing to do it."
If all illegals are deported tomorrow NYC would come to a standstill; who's going to babysit, deliver food,
You got that right but forget about our inept politicians from now on. I wish we had our patriot Balaguer in charge giving all these human right pest and the international NGO hell but that is not the case. What we got now is pure greed from our politicians. One of the convicted PLAN RENOBE is running for Diputado in Santiago for PRD. That should really tell you how JODIO we are as a country.
The way I see it is up to our people like these people from La Vega real to start taking back our country. Then elevate a patriot into office. Our faith on politician to protect our Dominican identity die when Balaguer passed away. Simple as that.
who says that dominicans don't want sugar and domestic jobs? You know nothing about dominicans... Many people in the country side would take these jobs... The issue is that the illegal person drives the daily pay way down... I know people that have been looking for work for months and will work in any area...
you did not answer the question. Why not live in DR??? Don't want to live with the illegals? No Jobs? illegals begging on the street?
Next time you are in DR... step out of your protected tourist area and see what we are talking about. Its easy to talk garbage without ever seeing the truth with your own eyes. You wont like it when there are 20 illegal kids hounding you for some pesos
1 million in SD
1 million in Santiago
1 million in all other towns + border towns
Just drive your car for a while, you will get tired of counting
there are a ton in POP... I guess the slimy pansu from Euro like the cheaper cost of a hatian girl... But the slimy euro man will need to buy a bag or cover her face with a pillow! lol I have seen some in Sosua, its a shame that they let this go on, you can not even take your children to a public beach without the kids having to see that garbage
you have to account all of the ones on the move cominig in and out of Haiti too
Manga Larga is right next to Rio Verde, which I'm sure you heard of.
I will record the illegal guy that screams every morning... boto basura!!! limpio holla!!! brillo zapato!!!
I will post it on youtube when I get back... Your going from la vega to pop??? you better have some good tires, too many pot holes man
Here is a good forum Which Im sure most of you will appreciate.
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LMFAO. The sad part it's true. The worst part is most here will be perplex about not being welcome.
Very good one my friend. Funny when you asked for facts about that famous stats nobody can give you a valid answer. There seems to be a lot of people here who just suffers From turret syndrome.
um have ya seen freaking Miami lately helllooooo. or the nothern central states? ya think i have to go to DR to see illegals and people begging, get real it is right here in our backyard, come back to reality for a moment, and i do not stay in a tourist area there, i stay where the regular everyday people stay, and everytime someone asked me for money whatever loose change i had in my pocket i gave it to them, the same as i do when i am home, i guess, being different than you i know if i am giving GOD will be pleased with me, it just the way I think and it must be working because I am truly blessed in my life. My husband who is a student in the DR, loses power almost everytime we talk on the phone at the residence we pay for, the cell service there sucks balls and people drive like animals without car insurance, that is why i do not go to the DR. I love the judgement that is passed here, it is oh so amusing, the anger and hate comes through in every word you spew.
Thank you for supporting my comments above and kind words.
From: United States, New York City
"I'm from la vega, but I never heard about manga larga or unipollo.... it must be wayyyy in the country side."
Manga Larga is right next to Rio Verde, which I'm sure you heard of.
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I just asked my Wife she is from El Ricon campo en la Vega, and she had a puzzled look in her face lol, never heard of it.
Manga Larga and Rio Verde can be accessed via the principal road that connects Santiago to La Vega...if you're taking said road from Santiago to La Vega both before mentioned communities can be reached by making a right off the principal road a little before arriving at the actual city of La Vega. They're not to far from STI.
No im sorry i was talking about the Unipollo.
The low educational attainment and resulting low wages of many immigrants are the primary reasons so many live in poverty, use welfare, and lack health insurance, not their legal status or an unwillingness to work. Immigration accounts for virtually all of the national increase in public school enrollment..stats 4 u
From: Dominican Republic
WOW someone stated here, that there is 3 million Haitians in RD! is this true? please post some facts, and how do we know how many, if they are undocumented, who is counting?
Here is a good forum, which im sure most of you will appreciate. WHITE POWER BABY!
Stormfront - White Nationalist Community
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/
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LMAO Good ONE!!
Trujillo had his soldiers apply to determine whether or not those living on the border were native Dominicans who spoke Spanish fluently. Soldiers would hold up a sprig of parsley, ask "What is this?", and assume that those who could not pronounce the Spanish word perejil (called pèsi in Haitian Creole, persil in French) were Haitian.[3] Within the Dominican Republic itself, the massacre is known as El Corte ("the cutting").
No im sorry i was talking about the Unipollo."
No need to feel sorry...I don't know where Unipollo is located either! LOL
I comented on this before about Bavaro becoming another Puerto Plata with right now over 50,000 haitiano in Bavaro alone.
This is how they harrass you there in par running with your vehicle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTM_SQ_vMiM
I could care less about miami... The fact is that you come in here trying to compare USA's problems to DR. Just because you have a husband in DR does not make you an expert... Wow he must be living the life with you paying all of the bills... I hope you know that he probably has 3 or 4 more women besides you, its the Dominican way! You say he is a student? You should see all of the women in the universities, wow! He must be getting alot of action... Sorry but odds are that I am correct.
FYI, most of the people that are begging actually have to give up the money collected from blind tourists. They have to give it to their parents or who ever put them out on the streets to beg. Why don't you buy them a meal?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTM_SQ_vMiM
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domex there you go no need to do your census, vacano just showed you 50,000 haitians running at a bus. lol
Are you looking for scapegoat because you are not capable of reading? LOL
Oh wait I know what you looking bring it on patua
glad the driver was not predio!
wait, don't let amy see that video she will tell you that the video is from haiti not punta cana
Timing took offense after watching the video go figure LOL
DR-hater let me bring you the event that let to the cutting. The same thing that is happening today with the Haitians stealing our people's livestock, murdering our people in the fronteras, deforesting the fronteras where Bahoruco is an replica of Haiti. The same thing Trujillo saw in his day in fact it was a worst invasion they controled the currency
"For some months, I have traveled and traversed the frontier in every sense of the word. I have seen, investigated, and inquired about the needs of the population. To the Dominicans who were complaining of the depredations by Haitians living among them, thefts of cattle, provisions, fruits, etc., and were thus prevented from enjoying in peace the products of their labor, I have responded, ‘I will fix this.’ And we have already begun to remedy the situation. Three hundred Haitians are now dead in Bánica. This remedy will continue"
Richard Lee Turtis, “A World Destroyed, A Nation Imposed
From: Dominican Republic
Yeah illegals needs to be handle in lawful manner, but 3 million those numbers are just outrageous.
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Some claim it was around 4 millions, these number are being added exponentially, who is doing the math ?
That video is from Punta Cana. You got that right Imagine la calle las carreras en Santiago the comercialization of these niños Haitiano being sold in Haiti to work the street of our country. This is as other posted stated is where the tourist take home and decide not to come back to our dirt poverty country in their eye. The main culpable here is our goverment first for allowing our country to be absolve into this chaos.
that is unacceptable especially if punta cana is DR's premium resort spot.
the first time I went to the Bavaro area was in 1996 to El Cortecito. Felt in love with the town. I was just a year out of high school and I said to mysefl I want a house in this place. Right now to me is a bad idea they are being overun by Haitians.
Xwill did you stop to eat at the chinese restaurant?
chinese restaurant??? no where? I did take the crazy road. I think I set a prayer to ask god to help us make it... All I was thinking was "please do not fail brakes" lol but when you get there its worth it... I did blow out a tire coming back between SFM and moca. It was night and I had to change that tire in the dark... fastest tire I ever changed lol
If possible, the road to Los Haitises park is even more brutal and dangerous than the ones you mentioned above. Once, on a college trip to that natural reserve, I thought that the bus in which I was in would go down a precipice, trying to avoid a bloody patanero. That road has been nicknamed by some people here "El camino de la serpiente". Although the beautiful sights and scenery that we found on the park were well worth the dangers of the trip, in my humble opinion.
From: United States, Faber College Double Secret Probation
curlando please stop coming to the DR for hookers......please try another destination
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Blut, who are you to blame an old fart, if he can only score with a hooker, let bygones be bygones (like there is nothing wrong with that)
I been discussing this topic here. I saw a program on zona 5 telemicro and they asserted it was 50,000 and their number is higher than Dominican living there. Take a look at his article
La presencia de la Dirección General de Migración en la zona turística es prácticamente nula. Hace más de un año que la institución instaló una oficina, supuestamente para controlar la situación de los extranjeros indocumentados, pero nada funciona allí. El fantasma de la ineficiencia ronda por el lugar.
La Policía Turística (POLITUR) tiene su cuartel en una zona visible, con varios agentes y vehículos asignados. Pero su trabajo fuera del área de los hoteles deja mucho que desear.
Ninguna autoridad competente tiene una idea acabada de la cantidad de haitianos indocumentados radicados en Bávaro-Punta Cana y en el poblado de Verón no es cuantificable. Algunos hablan de 40,000, otros sitúan la cifra de 45,000 y muy pocos creen que hay alrededor de 50,000.
I saw Josean walking down the hill
someone named amy tried to compare the DR illegals problem to the US illegals problems. She is still upset that they did not approve her welfare check. You are correct that is not our problem. We should keep on topic and try to find solutions.
Make sure to pack gallons of bug spray when you go to haiti
I believe you it was scary, There are many other scary road in our country where you have to see it to live it like also Santiago-San jose de la mata. The wife's father of an uncle of mine die there. But contansa is where I put my money on scary of scary road. It is one of our 8 wonder of DR and there are people I know including my father that will not take his vehicle to that road. At one point driving there to a relative the Rav4 I though was straight up I though we were going down. Thank God we made it.
The chinese restaurant is at the center of Las terrenas. It is where the street become one way where you make the left.
ATV have to hot there I saw a lot of people driving around on it. I will next time. I went there for the most part to visit a friend of mine who used to have an auto sound business right next to my shop before he retired. His family owns a lot of acres of beach-front property in las terrenas. Not yet developed.
I stayed at Alisei luxury suite. I had the penthouse room. It was great... I would return to that hotel again
From: United States, because to much of a coward to live in DR
Timing
Are you looking for scapegoat because you are not capable of reading? LOL
Oh wait I know what you looking bring it on patua
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Scapegoat is exactly what this topic is, blaming all of the fucked up corruption that we have, on haitians. Thank God people like Nuria and Alicia Ortega don't focused on pity issues like you, if so we would have lost focused of real problems, affecting our Country a long time ago.
THIS IS WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH MY COUNTRY.
Tiempito can you at least read. Don't you see what is going around against your people. Can't you see what this community of Las Vegas is demanding you jerk. They want to live in peace and enjoy their life like they used to before this peaceful invasion started. More and more town across DR are revolting. If the goverment will not do the job they are pay by the people to protect them against foreign invasion the people like in 1844 will take their justice in their own hand. Let the goverment be bought and then intimidated by outsider. Cuando empiece la reconquista de nuestro pais espero que usted haga una buena decision. :) wink
THIS IS WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH MY COUNTRY."
I know it is a shame none of our politicians act in a patriotic way like Balaguer. The good imbecile now are fighting each other for the future vote of the great majority of Haitians. Franklyn Almedo, Luis Tolentino, ect are nothing more than traitor. In another time where the patriotism was evident these lacras will had gone down by the bayobanet. Look we had an ex-vicepresident of our nation in Milagros Ortiz Bosch who wanted adopt Solain pierre in case she was declared illegal by the court.
Thank you God that during the struggle of our country during the civil war Balaguer triumped over another Bosch. That when I grew up during Balaguer our country was peaceful and we didn't have this crap around. I have no doubt that had Bosch woudld had been the leader after the civil war it will had been as Peña Gomez once said una isla indivisible.
That being said it seems as if you have lost your ways, along the path of your journey, please find your true inner self again, since your Spiritual light is just as Bright as the rest of US.
Brethrens its time we all collaborate Minds, and open up our Eyes and our Minds, to the Lies they have been feeding US. Black, Brown , or White its time to Unite to Fight for our God Divine Rights, and Stop the illusion of Racial and Nations division Confusion.
Because our Body,Mind and Soul is soon to Evolve to Reach its full Potential.
then I was explaining to you to look at the article.
timing " if you have lost your ways, along the path of your journey, please find your true inner self again, since your Spiritual light is just as Bright as the rest of US. "
God help us all if the majority in time like the many traitor politician think like you do. Then we will be doom as Dominican and as your hero Peña once stated una isla indivisible.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC FOR THE DOMINICANS
People like the one on top who want to come here force his view on us then when found out we think as Dominican first brand us as racist. These rats is the people that Balaguer warmed us about.
the trailer park attitude just comes out naturally for you... I don't think you are a CPA... you would not be complaining about paying taxes, you would have seltered yourself under tax umbrellas...
The real issue here is that you are racists against anyone that comes to the US that is not American like you. You can not compare the two nations
you are right.. people like that automatically pull the race card on Dominicans
imagine that? i would say in less than a year the rest of them will cross
over to our side to get legal document.
god help us all.
From: United States
why your at give them the free health care too
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LMAO lol Where?? so that i can inform the peoples, who sometimes hold up ropes, and stop vehicles for donations so that a family member can get a critical operation.
Ask in the Metropolitan Hospital of Santiago, where they have an entire wing devoted to attending the needs of that people, and in their own kreyol ayisien, no less. Would it be too much for you to recognize that there's no country on this earth that have done so much for Haiti as the DR has?
Ask in the Metropolitan Hospital of Santiago, where they have an entire wing devoted to attending the needs of that people, and in their own kreyol ayisien, no less. Would it be too much for you to recognize that there's no country on this earth that have done so much for Haiti as the DR has?
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I was referring to Dominicans
Hey thanks i will see if can get some business cards from there so every time i get pulled over i will also hand them over a card. well the Haitians that i know have had to pay for there care. It is fucked up, if Haitians get better free care then Dominicans, since Dominicans do not get any Quality care at all. Did you hear about the case of the baby that was put in a garbage bag, because the Doctor thought the baby was dead.
check here http://www.nuria.com.do/casos.php look for Maternidad La Altagracia