Written by: BASTA, 23 Nov 2009 8:20 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
Oh Goodie; anything to get rid of Frenandie and his PLD!
Written by: telemeco, 23 Nov 2009 8:45 AM
From: United States, Paterson, New Jersey
JuanB,,,you are laughting, but what is this true?
if any unification will happened let those country do the following, before here is are some fact
haiti hold a population of almost 10 million people in an area the side of rhode island 95% black and 5% mulatto.
a) Have france move 60% of the haitian to france, since they have historically started this wholes mess
b) have canada take 20% of the haitian population into Quebec, since Canada is such a huge nation with only 37.5 million inhabitant
c) The U.S can take 10% and move them somewhere.
d) DR will take the remained 10%, only if the pay all the debt that the hatian hold, because is going to take us over 100 year just to go there clean up and rebuild.
Written by: generoso, 23 Nov 2009 8:58 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
"France, U.S., Canada aim to unify Dominican Republic, Haiti"
Really?
How can that be true? LOL
Written by: pelaut, 23 Nov 2009 8:59 AM
From: United States
Bill Clinton raised this in the 90s with Chirac. They were serious. They figure anything is better than saddling the US, the UN or EU with responsibility to do anything but talk and wash money with victim chic.
Written by: Cacique, 23 Nov 2009 9:50 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Unify?, I great chieftain still claim Kiskeia as one, with 5 big land for our people, we dont need no frigin unify..
From: United States, Brooklyn
Its a call to arms... The president may have rejected the French proposal but it doesn't rule out that 2,000,000 million haitians are already in the DR, the process, whether we like it or not has been started without our concent and we should STRIKE BACK!!!
Written by: zooma, 23 Nov 2009 10:19 AM
From: United States
This whole scenario would be the same as uniting the U.S. with Mexico. It just is not going to happen. The matter is so complicated that nobody has the right formula to do it, and to suggest there is a way to do it is a pipe dream.
From: United States, Brooklyn
Get them out... NOW!!!
Written by: xwill7, 23 Nov 2009 10:46 AM
From: United States, Chicago
do not unite... only work together
Written by: juanb, 23 Nov 2009 11:03 AM
From: Dominican Republic
One very effective way, as we have seen many times, for those in charge to hide and obscure their failures is to whip up our ignorant fearful peasants against Haiti. Those thinking citizens among us realize that this is nothing more than a smokescreen.
I am starting a campaign to unite the US and Canada.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo, Mao Valverde & Miami
To be honest I think this plan is already in motion
And the main reason is all that foreing money that is flowing DR's way right now
Leonel fernandez is selling out and he doesn't even know it, how else can you explain all this borrowing and all this development, and then to fuel the conspiracy theories is the fact that they change the constitution amendment that grant DR citinzenship to all hitian children born in dominican soil knowing very well that there are more than 2 mill illegal haitian living in DR right now, changing the jus sanguini to the jus solis was the first step towards integration.
lo siento pero este pais se jodio, y lo malo es que si nos oponemos a la integracion nos acusan de racistas y xenofobos
Written by: Edward, 23 Nov 2009 12:03 PM
From: United States, Faux News: Unfair Imbalance
I don't think the DR and Haiti are ready for a merger. Haiti is still too far behind in development. Maybe in 2050 and by then we'll probably have a North American Union (Canada, US, Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean) similar to the EU anyway.
From: Germany, Koblenz/Azua de Compostela, R.D.
500 years later we are still 'NOT FREE'.
France, Canada, U.S. know very well that trying to unify different people is just like calling them to war.
If our government don't take account on those facts, then we will be facing the biggest human disgrace.
No body need to be a visionary to predict a river of blood, but they may feel comfortable about it, knowing that that could be a very cheap way to solve the problem.
Might God help us!! and forgive 'em.
Written by: molloy, 23 Nov 2009 12:31 PM
From: United States
Not a good idea...this is something that will eventually, if it does happen, blow up and be worse than it is now. DR has problems of it's own to deal with, to take on another country sounds good BUT Haiti is in a worst state than what DR is in. We can't even control our own Delincuentes and now you ask to handle Haiti's? not gonna happen. This is something that will take many many years and co-operation for it to occur. Are the Haitians willing to go along for the ride? They have to live and abide by dominincan law or what's left of it. Would be nice of an idea of DR having the island to themselves BUT it comes with a huge price and sacrifice.
Written by: vacanos, 23 Nov 2009 12:32 PM
From: United States
I started a thread in the forum regarding this topic. here it is for anybody who like to have their input.
NGO FIRST WORLD COUNTRY And their long ago plan for the Unification of La Española thru FUSION
Balaguer saw it coming in the 80's as stated by the article of Euclides Gutierrez.
Written by: vacanos, 23 Nov 2009 12:33 PM
From: United States
CRÓNICA DEL PRESENTE
Escrito por: Euclides Gutiérrez Félix (informacion@elnacional.com)
Dos presidentes para una isla
(1)
Hace más de veinte o veinticinco años, desde el programa matutino que producía Julio Hazim, en Radio Santo Domingo Televisión, que hoy tiene un nombre que nadie sabe pronunciar, acompañado de Machi Constant y Consuelo Despradel, el autor de esta columna denunció, con lujo de detalles, cómo se había puesto en ejecución un plan elaborado por los proyectistas estadounidenses, canadienses y franceses, para unificar al pueblo haitiano y a la nación dominicana y convertirlos en un Estado que ignoramos el nombre que los dueños del mundo, o por lo menos de esta parte del continente, habían decidido inventarse para dar a conocer en esa nueva proyección la isla de La Española.
Written by: vacanos, 23 Nov 2009 12:35 PM
From: United States
En una ocasión, no recordamos la fecha, el doctor Joaquín Balaguer acusó públicamente al gobierno francés, o mejor dicho al Estado francés, de ser el promotor de esa idea. A partir de ese momento la mayoría del pueblo dominicano conoce como en largo proceso de intimidación, amenazas, calumnias, mentiras y difamación, se ha presentado en nuestro país y en el exterior, a los dominicanos, como racistas, discriminadores y explotadores, del pueblo haitiano. Pues bien, remedando aquella expresión valiente y viril de José Martí, podemos afirmar que “ha llegado la hora de los hornos…” y la presencia con responsabilidades asignadas en la isla de Santo Domingo de dos figuras mundiales de la categoría de Jimmy Carter y Bill Clinton en función de guardianes ejecutivos misioneros, deja sumamente establecida e indiscutible la preocupación de aquella denuncia de hace tantos años.
Written by: vacanos, 23 Nov 2009 12:37 PM
From: United States
El verdadero presidente de ese conglomerado que todavía responde al nombre de Haití es el señor Clinton y aunque todo el mundo sabe de las profundas diferencias y contradicciones que existen entre él y el señor Carter, ambas figuras avaladas por su prestigio de ex mandatarios de la nación más poderosa del mundo, están dando cumplimiento a una orden del gobierno de su país, convencido, al igual que los franceses y los canadienses, que desgraciadamente el pueblo haitiano, como lo calificó Juan Bosch, “conglomerado humano”, en la realidad de los hechos es inviable, lo que significa que no tiene posibilidades de vivir como sociedad civilizada bajo los lineamientos jurídicos de un Estado republicano.
Written by: vacanos, 23 Nov 2009 12:38 PM
From: United States
Desde su nacimiento el Estado haitiano fue inviable. Dessalines no proclamó una república, impuso la creación de un imperio, en aquel momento, dentro de su extensión territorial, con cerca de un millón de habitantes que hablaban veintidós dialectos, que alejaban a sus pobladores de la unidad idiomática, que es la base fundamental de una nación. Que las ONGs financiadas por esos tres poderosos países y las cotorras, femeninas y masculinas, de la radio y la televisión den una explicación al pueblo dominicano, heroico, valiente, “David del Caribe, legendario y veterano de la historia”, que en un largo camino de vicisitudes de cinco siglos y frente a todos los obstáculos y tropiezos, ha podido apuntalar y consolidar los perfiles de su soberanía y de su dignidad. Continuaremos…
Written by: juanb, 23 Nov 2009 12:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
You guys are just the kind of fools that these fear mongers are appealing to. They are just whipping up the simmering hatred that so many have bubbling just under the surface in an effort to make us neglect the real issue: Our government is failing us.
Old School: What developement? Our country is falling apart.
Written by: ny4life, 23 Nov 2009 1:08 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
THis has been going on for awhile now. We are now starting to realize it. Just go to DR and you will see Haitians everywhere? We mistreated, exploit, and racist against them that's all a puff of smoke to legitimize there illegal stay in the DR. It's a way to justify there existence and gain support for Haitians to remain illegally in DR. We Dominicans know that Haitians live peacefully amongst,
It's sad that they want to merge the island and have DR be accountable for Haiti but Haitians have never respected the Dominican Republic and its boundaries and expects the DR to solve there problems. We all know Haitians don't want to work together to solve there internal prejudicies, discrimination, exploitative, and racial connudrum. The elites/middle class prefer to head out in DR and have the country in shambles rather than work together for the common good.
The DR and Haiti are on a path to merger headed by the France, Canada, and the USA.
Written by: tejada, 23 Nov 2009 1:13 PM
From: United States
this is rubbish.
Written by: ny4life, 23 Nov 2009 1:15 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
We neeed to defend our sovereignty that has always been attacked by our "brothers" from the east. Sadly, I believe our sovereignty is being sold to these powers by ways of investment. Leonel Fernandez took the bait and is runnning with it. It's very evident in DR what is taking place. The visits by these leaders on humanitarian aid to Haiti and DR just soldiifies the process.
We need to defend our country and stand up for our people. I'm not against immigrations, I am against illegal immigrattion. We have a neighbor who seems get worse and doesn't work to get better but all the burden on Dominicans to solve there problem.
Some people think that from day one Haiti's mission was to destroy the DR. Through out history we have seen the attacks on our nation and attempts to have us extinct from the island. We all know history can repeat its self and it i with this passive invasion of sick, uneducated, and hungry mass of Haitians that cross and live illegally in DR.
Written by: ny4life, 23 Nov 2009 1:19 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
tejada,
it's very true what's going on. Just go to DR, read the news, and see what the world powers are downing on the island. Haiti has everything to gain with such merger or union. DR is being sold cheap labor by Haitians and FDI $$$$$ as benefits to inheriting the Haitian crisis. Sadly, DR is taking $$$$$$ and running with it.
This is very disatraous for Dominicans
From: United States
theres already 3 million haitians lliving in the dominican republic, and there talking about unify? They just want haiti took take over the island they want to continue to profit of haiti misery and n the long run they want the dominican republic to join on the misery , so the dominican republic could be like it was back in the 80s
Written by: lmejia, 23 Nov 2009 1:29 PM
From: Canada, Toronto
Well, isnt that what these countries do best, getting into other people's business. If they want to help Haiti then go right ahead with loans, projects, invade them for all I care.... but to try to make Haiti merge with DR is not the solution it would destroy DR.
Canada should know better as Quebec is always trying to leave Canada the language and the religion difference has always caused a rift....and this is largely due to France's interference. For all I care France can take over both and make them part of them as States just like Puerto Rico is for the US. But they should not be trying to force DR into merging with Haiti.
I will be contacting my canadian member of parliament to voice my complaint! Balaguer did right by DR by rejecting this and LF should do the same but then again he does not have the balls!
Written by: xwill7, 23 Nov 2009 1:38 PM
From: United States, Chicago
you can not unify two nations with two clearly different cultures
Written by: molloy, 23 Nov 2009 1:43 PM
From: United States
Well put Imejia!
Written by: Atabey, 23 Nov 2009 1:45 PM
From: United States
Part 1
It doesn't surprise me that foreigners are trying to rid themselves of the Haitian Question by buying time and space until the next major blow-up occurs. That's when the entire island is nonviable, the trees gone, and basically a Greater Haiti envelop the entire space. Think 20-30 more years. For those who believe that some of the economic aid and perhaps, loan forgiveness down-the-road-- IF THE TARGETS ARE MET-are a quip pro quo may be on to something. Easy money and tokens appreciation in a corrupt nation will buy you many politicos and business. The steady displacement and gradual penetration of vast numbers from Haiti will overwhelm any likely disorganized response from future governments of the DR. The tragic and ironic parts of this story have leaders of the DR allowing these development to gather steam for many decades.
Written by: Atabey, 23 Nov 2009 1:53 PM
From: United States
Part 2
The Haitian Question was not a sudden phenomenon; its tragedy and impending debacle was there for all to see and PREPRE. Sadly, the greed of a few has cost the nation far more than they and their enablers ever dreamed possible.
Even during the time of the Dictator Rafael L. Trujillo, Haitians were used to cut cane and do other labor intensive work. Every leader and President since has allowed the Greedy businessmen and politicians have their way and thus allowed this situation to get out of hand And now the nation is bearing the "fruits" of their greedy deeds.
With a minority President in the USA, the vast Global agenda in full swing, the NGOs tearing at the heels, even a well functioning government would have trouble getting across an alternative plan.
What is the likelihood or probability of Haiti getting on its feet and providing for its citizens in the near future? Close to zero. So the chore is going to be handed to the DR, the NGOs, and "free" loans will gre
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo, Mao Valverde & Miami
juanb
please don't side with the ignorants
" what development?
If you're not capable of noticing the huge amount of investments been pour into DR through foreign firms mainly europeans then juan your are just blind or stupid
I mean, you think el metro de santo domingo was build with monopoly money, la presa del pinalito, el embalse de amina, la autopista santo domingo-sanchez, la segunda linea del metro, cap cana, luxury hotels everywhere, etc, etc.
where all that money comes from juan?
Written by: vacanos, 23 Nov 2009 2:06 PM
From: United States
Here is the other part of Mr Gutierrez
Dos presidentes para una isla
El tema de Haití ha generado de nuevo la preocupación, ahora más justificada, después del nombramiento de Jimmy Carter y Bill Clinton, ex presidentes de los Estados Unidos de America, por el gobierno de ese país en función de guardianes ejecutivos misioneros de la isla de La Española. El señor Carter como supervisor de la República Dominicana y el señor Clinton como presidente, en funciones, sin recibir honorarios por sus servicios, del pueblo haitiano; pero en la realidad de los hechos lo que preocupa fueron las declaraciones del señor Carter, en relación con una supuesta campaña “binacional”, para erradicar la malaria, conocida popularmente con el nombre de paludismo, en la nación dominicana y el pueblo haitiano.
From: Germany, Koblenz/Azua de Compostela, R.D.
France has a historical debt with Haiti likewise Spain with us.
Those historical debts must be paid back, so we have to start asking for refund.
We have the right to stand for what is ours.
Written by: vacanos, 23 Nov 2009 2:07 PM
From: United States
El autor de esta columna no va a interpretar, ni explicar, y menos justificar, lo que dijo el señor Carter; pero está en la obligación de reiterar que el paludismo no afecta a más del uno o el dos por ciento de la población dominicana; que para finales de la década de 1940 la tuberculosis, el paludismo, la filariasis, o sea, “las niguas”, y las enfermedades contagiosas como la viruela, el sarampión, la papera y las difteria, llamada “crup”, habían sido controladas y reducidas a su mínima expresión en la tenebrosa, asesina, violenta, intolerante, ejecutiva y efectiva, “Era de Trujillo”. Que año por año en las escuelas públicas y en los colegios privados los niños eran vacunados y que otras dolorosas enfermedades como la lepra, fueron reducidas también en un alto porcentaje para no decir que de manera total o definitiva.
Written by: vacanos, 23 Nov 2009 2:08 PM
From: United States
Ahora, los misioneros políticos estadounidenses vienen a plantear “campañas binacionales” que más bien podrían ser, en caso de ser aceptadas, “campañas bilaterales”. En nuestro país hay cientos de médicos y enfermeras que pueden trabajar en una campaña real y efectiva para combatir lo que queda de paludismo y tuberculosis, que silenciosamente se ha extendido. En Haití no hay médicos suficientes para hacer absolutamente nada. Ignoramos si son ciertos los informes de que en Haití hay cerca de cuatrocientos médicos cubanos, desde hace años financiados por organismos internacionales, que fueron pedidos al comandante Fidel Castro por el presidente Préval García en la primera visita que Fidel realizó a nuestro país, en nuestra presencia cuando desempeñábamos la honrosa designación de acompañarlo como edecán civil, dispuesta por el presidente Leonel Fernández.
Written by: vacanos, 23 Nov 2009 2:10 PM
From: United States
Lamentamos infinitamente, porque no es necesario, la opinión de nuestro compañero Bautista Rojas de pedir excusas a Carter; el rechazo de nuestro canciller Morales Troncoso y de Humberto Salazar y de otras personas preocupadas por la manera torpe en que fueron expresadas, es la respuesta correcta y la expresión de una actitud digna frente a lo que constituye, sin ninguna justificación, una ingerencia que llegó tan lejos de anunciar, sin estar investido de ninguna autoridad, una reunión del presidente dominicano con el señor Préval García. Queremos recordar y no podemos renunciar a ello, que la última vez que Leonel Fernández Reyna estuvo en Haití, salvó la vida porque estaba acompañado de soldados dominicanos, serenos, valientes, decididos y en un vehículo manejado por un conductor, compañero de partido, de admirable experiencia, que tiene por nombre Paulino Sánchez Vásquez. Continuaremos…
Written by: msjersey, 23 Nov 2009 2:20 PM
From: United States, New Jersey(Cibaeno/Los mina)
The question is: WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO FROM NOW ON?
Are we gonna cross our arms and do NOTHING?
We should hold responsible everyone in government , EVEN if they are discussing it
and hunt down their families and execute them, and set an example to those corrupt
politicians.
I can't even imagine what would be of our beautiful country if this thing happen.
Written by: Lopez31, 23 Nov 2009 2:46 PM
From: United States
How about we set refugee camps for haitians in France! They were the ones who drop that problem in to our laps in the first place! France need to bair the burden and man up. But we all know that the french never really man up to anything! Actually, we can sit in the negotiating table with them and they'll throw the white flag right away.
Written by: Avaro, 23 Nov 2009 4:13 PM
From: United States
lets get a super powerful super huge jackhammer and break the island at the border, make a huge gap between the countries so no one can cross the border, then throw out the illegal residents and problem solved :D
Written by: Avaro, 23 Nov 2009 4:15 PM
From: United States
but really. DR cant help Haiti, how can a poor nation help a poorer nation?
Written by: telemeco, 23 Nov 2009 4:36 PM
From: United States, Paterson, New Jersey
Written by: Escott, 23 Nov 2009 6:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera and Sosua a 2 days a month for payday
One idiot Dominican Polititian says something and you all jump?
What is so funny is that there isn't a Dominican Polititan to be trusted in this entire country from the President on down to the lowly fiscal yet you people listen to this ladrone?
I actually believe the police at the roadblock that tells me he is hungry who is worse than the haitian child beggars in Sosua... LOL
I have a question, how come Haitians are better than Dominicans in learning different languages?
From: Botswana, Seatin here in Gaborone having a drink with Ms Pussy Galore
The fact this chap made this statement to a major news outlet and expected to be taking seriously speaks volume about what he thinks of his constituencies. Judging by the reactions on this blog he does not seems too far off target. Since they have failed you in every way, even sold your birth right to the highest bidder in the name of attracting foreign investments, now you know for sure on what platform they will run during the next election cycle LF The Great Defender. LMFAO
From: United States, San Diego, CA - (Dei sitio)
Escott said:
I have a question, how come Haitians are better than Dominicans in learning different languages?...Need.
Ask an average American how many languages he/she can speak?... Barely English...No need for more.
In fact, many dominicans can speak: Cibaeño, Capitaleño, Sureño, some can speak English, a few can speak French, and I think some are able to speak a little bit of Spanish...That's not bad!!
From: United States, San Diego, CA - (Dei sitio)
PatDiamond,
Learning from the experience from Gaborone and Harare, that I think current economic sitiation and immigration problems resemble to ours: Haiti and Dominican Republic. Do you think an electrified fence along DR/Haiti border would be helpful?..Or are you just to far away from Francistown and Kasane to notice what's going on in your backyard?
From: United States
The fact that some posters on here think that unification is not possible now because of Haiti's underdevelopment, but CAN be a viable venture in the future is beyond freaking insane.
Written by: johnyd7, 23 Nov 2009 9:41 PM
From: United States
Once again Dr will be under the Haitian’s controlled. Boyer could not finish the job but now the question is rising up again. Anyway, the entire land is for the Haitians. They are the one who fought for it.
From: United States, Brooklyn
Toro... Theres two million Haitians in DR already.... Dominicans are leaving for the US... Haitians are replacing us... in a generation there will be 4 Million Haitian.... Nothing is being done to stop that trend... I think it will happen eventually.... unless a hero rises and delivers us our lands to ourselves....
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Continues:
Even my father, who holds both French and Dominican passports, would be incensed by this proposal.
DR and Haiti are distinct cultures with a memorable past of wars and conquests that's indelible in every Dominican's mind. We are never going to unify, no matte which fool, left leaning and inept and less than honorable past US president promotes it. We won't allow it and shall fight to the death to prevent it.
Haiti, Canada and US and rest of Europe cannot eschew their assumed responsibility and perverse sense of benevolence to fix our part of the world, especially Haiti. Integrating Haiti and DR does not make any more sense than integrating France and Germany or Canada and US or US and Mexico.
Continued:
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
You guys have enough problems of your own, such as unemployment and health care in US and the two wars in the Middle East. Canada has its own problem with Quebec and unemployment. France, what can we say about it: high unemployment; pompous extremous; inferiority complex; an ignored language; etc.
Please leave my country out of your oblique and ludicrous proposals.
MJEV.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Carlos,
You are so correct.
This is what I call passive indifference.
Once immigration reaches critical mass, there will be no viable way of redressing situation, and Dominican culture will sadly be relegated to the annals of history.
Perhaps Johnnyd7 was right when he stated: " Once again Dr will be under the Haitian’s controlled. Boyer could not finish the job but now the question is rising up again. Anyway, the entire land is for the Haitians. They are the one who fought for it.".
With Dominicans lack of gumption to fight for their rights and country, perhaps it is inevitable that we will once again be conquered by the Haitians, and maybe this time they won't even have to use military force.
MJEV.
Written by: Louisny, 23 Nov 2009 11:14 PM
From: United States
The President Leonel Fernández is too smart to permit the unification of the island. He will not allow Haiti and the Dominican Republic to become one nation. I am a young Dominican that grew up in New York City, and I have my disagreement with Fernández’s administration. But I admire Fernández for the positive accomplishments that he has done through the years. We can not blind ourselves because we have different political ideas. Therefore, Leonel Fernández knows that the unification of Haiti and the Dominican Republic is anti-historical. However, we can help Haiti to overcome its social and economic problems, but we can not unify the island, and throw away the sacrifice of Juan Pablo Duarte.
Meditemos en el ideal del Cristo de la Libertad: nuestra patria a de ser libre e independiente de toda potencia extrajera o se hunde la isla.
José Luis Corona
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: Escott, 23 Nov 2009 6:54 PM
What is so funny is that there isn't a Dominican Polititan to be trusted in this entire country from the President on down to the lowly fiscal yet you people listen to this ladrone?
I actually believe the police at the roadblock that tells me he is hungry who is worse than the haitian child beggars in Sosua... LOL
I have a question, how come Haitians are better than Dominicans in learning different languages?
One time in POP some PN pull me over to ask me "dame algo para la fria." lol Good question a couple of them that i know, know of course French but also English, Spanish, German, so that's why alot of Dominican owned tourist businesses hire them instead of a Dominican.
From: United States, Naples, Florida
The Dominican President should declare that the Haiti is an enemy state, as it was in 1844. This is the only way this crisis will have an end. As long as Haiti claims that the name of the island is "Island of Haiti" in her constitution, she is the enemy of the Dominican Republic, because she is telling her citizens that it is right to transit around the island freely. Worse of all, we suspect that keeping that in the Haitian constitution means that they're still looking at their original claim that the island is "ONE, UNDIVISIBLE" and who knows what plans lies ahead. Duarte's was right when he had foreseen their intentions. Quisqueya will be free only when this conflict about the island's name is over. Then many thing will be corrected.
http://www.quisqueya.nameWritten by: Edward, 24 Nov 2009 1:52 AM
From: United States, Faux News: Unfair Imbalance
This is inevitable. The world will function like a federation by 2100 anyway. So all you nationalist "sovereignty-obsessed" close-minded people relax!!!
From: Botswana, Seatin here in Gaborone having a drink with Ms Pussy Galore
Mr Perlurdom
The thruth really hurt huh, it's not easy to look at the man in the mirror some times? Is it.
From: United States, San Diego, California
Stupidities! Euclides Gutiérrez is an idiot. He should read more history. My recommendations: Liberty, Equality, and Power: A History of American People and The West and the World by Kevin Reilly. The US is not interested in unifying anyone. The US is interested in taking other countries natural resources and exercising its influence. The idea of unification of the island was to promote racism. It was a propaganda by the Dominican government in order to stay in power and promote stability. The same tactics were used by United States in order to get rid of communism after World War II.
Written by: DomLon, 24 Nov 2009 6:02 AM
From: United Kingdom
Samuel Johnson:
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."
Written by: DomLon, 24 Nov 2009 6:03 AM
From: United Kingdom
Samuel Johnson:
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Nov 2009 11:11 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I admire some of Leonels actions as president but nothing he does to "improve" the country means anything if he doesn't have the "cojones"to do what is needed with Haiti and the Haitians.
Haitians like PatDiamond have no say whatsoever in what we as Dominicans do for our country and the claims of Haitian multilingualism are ridiculous given that most Haitians are illiterate and barely speak that pseudo language known as Kreyol..
Compatriotas ,el tiempo se esta agotando ,pronto no habrá vuelta atrás .En los tiempos difíciles hacen falta hombres y mujeres de contundencia porque si no reaccionamos ahora lloraremos como mujeres lo que no supimos defender como hombres !
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Nov 2009 11:17 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Aun estamos a tiempo porque de nada vale construir una mejor República para dejársela a los salvajes que una tras otra vez han tratado de destruirla.Si no actuamos les tendremos que decir con tristeza que ese pedazo de tierra era nuestro pero que nos lo dejamos quitar por nuestros enemigos ya que por la avaricia de algunos y la apatía de otros combinada con los traidores entre nuestras filas no reaccionamos cuando nos invadieron de manera silenciosa.
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Nov 2009 11:21 AM
From: Dominican Republic
¿Que podemos hacer?
Votar por partidos nacionalistas
Formar nuevas agrupaciones políticas
Hacer protestas ante las sedes de el partido gobernante (Dominicanos Patriotas sin importar su ideología o afiliación partidista)
Presionar al gobierno para que haga cumplir las leyes actuales y respetar nuestra soberanía.
Pedir una consulta electoral al pueblo Dominicano sobre el tema .
No cooperar de manera personal con la ilegalidad ,o sea que por ahorrar unos pesos votemos con nuestro dinero exigiendo a los lugares donde compramos que cumplan con las leyes Dominicanas.
Cualquier idea agregada será agradecida.
En fin no podemos dejar que el sacrificio de nuestros próceres contra las jaurías Haitianas que pretenden borrarnos del mapa mundial y los poderes que se quieren liberar de la carga de la nación vecina nacida como un aborto de la naturaleza fundada bajo el lema del odio y el satanismo.!
From: United States Virgin Islands
jajajajaa..jajajajaj. debo en primer termino reirme y darme a la idea, de q los paises mas poderosos del mundo, estan pasando por ignorantes al travez de la historia, no hay una nacion en lo sultimos trescientos anos q haya roto su bandera acambio de otra la bandera es el alma de las naciones, no soy un terrorista y menos una persona en favor de la violencia de ningun tipo, pero la definicion de patria no se explica, ni se define, s esiente en el alma aun estes en el planeta pluton o en otra galaxia... el agua y el aceite pueden convivir por siglos...jamas mesclarse.. haiti y la republica dominicana, dos pueblos hermanos y amigos, rindiendo culto a sus mismos principios y a sus mismos dioces. pero en altares diferentes.
From: United States Virgin Islands
ESTADOS UNIDOS, FRANCIA Y CANADA pensais mil veces buestra idea descabellada e infantil, la republica dominicana seguira hacia adelante guiada de la buena fe de quienes hemos echo de ella nuestra vida y esperanza . hemos sobrevivdo a muchas humillasiones y bejamenes, hemos sido destruidos molidos, pero la bandera ahi esta y ahi permenecera por los siglos y seremos siempre y po rsiempre libres viviremos INDEPENDIENTE, FELICES Y TRANQUILOS Y HABRA DOMINICANA HASTA Q QUEDE EL ULTIMO DE LOS DOMINICANOS NUESTRA NACION SERA LIBRE DE TODA POTENCIA EXTRAJERA O SE UNDE LA ISLA, si fuimos evaluado como el segundo pais mas feliz del mundo, tengan prsente q apesar de la electricidad de nuestros problemas q son nuestros y los trapos sucios se laban en casa asi continuaremos aunq tengamos q vover a vivr nuestra region como en los tiempos de los indigenas, pero con nuestra PATRIA Q SE LLAMA REPUBLICA DOMINICANA Y SU PADRE JUAN PABLO DUARTE.
From: United States
@CONSTITUCION:
I simply agree.
From: Canada, Alberta
This is a ridiculous idea!! It will never work and they will spend a crapload of money and valuable energy trying to do it. Canada is united, except for the Francophones in Quebec that still want to separate after 142 years. Good God, do they think that they can unite DR and Haiti!? This is rubbish! They appear to be more idealistic than I am! Probably just a smoke screen to not do anything to improve either country, like, oh, "this problem is way more compiicated than we thought"....no, duh! Why not focus on Haiti alone for awhile? Try to get it at least to the level of it's neighbour. The Haitians don't want to leave their country, in general, they love it. It's the economics and politics that make them leave.
I've got to go get some fresh air....:\
From: Botswana, Seatin here in Gaborone having a drink with Ms Pussy Galore
His Dominican par responded the DR sovereignty was not negotiable
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Mr Hussein of Iraq felt the same way when he decided to let it be knowing he would no longer accept payments for his oil contracts in USD but unstead in euros. Well everybody knows how that story end.
Don't worry my friends the timing is not right yet. When the Illuminaties oops I mean the bankers decides to call in their debts I doubt your leaders will have much too say about the master plan for DR. Reunification with Haiti is going to be the least of your problems. Keep gorging your self at the buffet table,eventually you will find out there is no such thing as a free lunch. Remember the story of the Trojan Horse.
Written by: johnyd7, 24 Nov 2009 1:19 PM
From: United States
Do you know the whole land's name is " Haiti Quisqueya" . The name is not DR . The Haitians let the dominicans live there because the Haitians want to. And for you Informations not all haitians are poor.
Written by: josean, 24 Nov 2009 1:25 PM
From: United States
"But I admire Fernández for the positive accomplishments that he has done through the years."
Louisny,
If it is not too much trouble, could you please list these "positive accomplishments" that then one you admire has done?
Written by: mariposa, 24 Nov 2009 1:26 PM
From: United States
To all those Dominicans who are yelling GET OUT!.......I can tell you this: The "Haitian problem" was not caused by Haitians. It was caused by Dominicans who do not want to work in construction or hard labor, and so there was a "passive invasion " of willing Haitians who came over to help build the resorts, the condominiums and the hotels.
In the United States, the men are not against working on construction, because they are paid well. The problem is that in DR, they don't pay any decent salaries, and construction work under the hot sun is no picnic. The Haitians are poor, and they don't mind..........
From: United States Virgin Islands
sera interesante unificar mexico con la gran nacion de los estados unidos y asi terminaria la violencia en mexico y el narcotrafico en los estados unidos -Que diran los norte-americanos, si estan deacuerdo, hagamos algo sencillo unifiquemos EL MUNDO. SI BANDERAS NI PATRIA SINO UNA NACION MUNDIAL HASTAS LAS DEUDAS INTERNACIONALES SE TERMINARIAN, PORQ NO S EHA RESUELTO EL GOLPE DE ESTADO DE HONDURas.. aq. entre nos una simple palabraINTERESES.
From: United States Virgin Islands
al parecer la pesadilla se quiere repetir y esto data desde principio de 1842, cualdo el gobierno de venezuela,entoces estados unidos de venezuela le ofreciera al padre de la patria, una secretaria de estado en ese pais para q renunciara a la idea de la independencia de la republica y este como el mas grande d elos dominicano no lo penso dos veces, para no aceptar tan gran ignomia, felipe alfao y su padre an muerto y su desfachatez de querer vender la republica la an pagado muy cara. lilis, corrio la misma suerte, y murio como diomedes, deborado por los caballos q el mismo enseno a comer carne humana. q el mundo sepa desde hoy si lo ha olvidado. q la rd no esta en venta, y nuestra dignidad no es negociable a ningun precio. patria o muerte
Written by: josean, 24 Nov 2009 2:44 PM
From: United States
Louisny let me help you with some of those accomplisments you will be listing for us:
DR exports cause concern
A slight decline in exports to the US could cause some discomfort, but a whopping 33.73% decrease in exports of apparel to the US is cause for major concern. The value of these exports has also fallen by 27.96%.
The exports registered 277,542 million square meters of textiles during the first 9 months of 2008, to 183,933 million square meters in 2009. The value fell from US$644.52 billion in 2008 to US$466.45 billion in 2009. The concerns over this trend are highlighted by the fact that the DR is part of the DR-CAFTA trade agreement, which was expected to spur Dominican exports to the US markets. This has not been the case.
The DR is now the 20th largest exporter of apparel to the US, after having been 4th in ranking.
¿Y No Era Y Que Pa' Lante Que Íbamos?
Source DR1
Written by: Pixeles, 24 Nov 2009 5:52 PM
From: United States, Hackensack, NJ
Canada, USA, Francia debieran hacer una migración masiva de los haitianos y llevarselos todos a esos paises y dejar a RD trankila. Pero no, en vez lo que quieren es unificar la isla para que los haitianos acaben con to. El supuesto nuevo nombre seria La Hiapaniola, como muchos llaman la isla. Yo le llamaria La Haitianola.
@Pixeles
http://MiBahia.netFrom: Canada, Montreal
my only answer to this stupid proposition: go to hell
Written by: Louisny, 25 Nov 2009 1:21 AM
From: United States
Josean, I mentioned that I have my disagreements with Fernandez’s administration. But, Leonel Fernandez has built few universities in different provinces of the country. Now, the students from Pedernales, Dajabon, Montecristi and the rest of the provinces they do not have to travel to the capital, because they have a university near to their home. We need to be just, and recognize the good deed he has done. Therefore, you are speaking from an economic perspective, and the whole concept change. I am disagreeing with the economic course taken by Fernandez’s administration. And I agree with you regarding to some of the things you wrote. But, I can not be naïve, and be like the rest of the Dominicans that refuse to recognize the good deed of a president because they belong to an opposition party. I recognize the good deed of Trujillo, Balaguer, Guzman, and Bosch but I also criticize their bad decisions. In order to make a good scientific analysis we have to balance good and evil.
From: United States, Naples, Florida
We think our next step is to contact Clinton or Carter. No one country in this continent has denied that the name of it is America, but the USA chose that name and she is the only one that can claim to be "American" as national identity. All other countries in this continent have their own national identity: Colombian, Mexican, Haitian, Chilean, etc. The idea that the Island of Santo Domingo is "one and indivisible" was brought by Haitians in 1803, but people of different culture never accepted that concept, which now is being adopted by the USA, Canada and France, without taking into consideration that Qusqueya is a free country with a history of protection to the land (two thirds) she occupies. If these countries insist in their purpose of "uniting the island", the Dominican Republic's President should defend its constitution and declare Haiti an enemy country, I would say, by January 26, Duarte's birthday. That will force the true to come out. Read
http://www.quisqueya.nameWritten by: oupala07 
, 25 Nov 2009 7:03 AM
From: Canada
"If these countries insist in their purpose of "uniting the island", the Dominican Republic's President should defend its constitution and declare Haiti an enemy country, "
As I always said, you de Dominicans are a bunch of cowards when it is time to confront the real enemies of the people sharing this island. So if the United States, France and Canada keep moving forward with their project, you will turn on us Haitians and not on them, hein?
That won't be a bad idea to unify the island, because the same way the Albanians have taken over kosovo within a few decades, we would have outnumbered you very swiftly and take over this island which is ours haitians since 1804.
Instead of talking non sense, you better prepare yourselves and ask us to help you fight that machiavelic project which is simming into their machiavelic mind. We Haitians have nothing to lose with such endeavour, we will take over the island and you all will be speaking creole pretty soon.
Written by: oupala07 
, 25 Nov 2009 7:26 AM
From: Canada
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From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Junior,
You are so blinded by hatred that it is clearly interfering with you ability to reason.
Written by: josean, 25 Nov 2009 12:15 PM
From: United States
"But, Leonel Fernandez has built few universities in different provinces of the country. Now, the students from Pedernales, Dajabon, Montecristi and the rest of the provinces they do not have to travel to the capital, because they have a university near to their home."
Louisny,
After almost three terms in office all you can point to is a "few universities" to highlight the "accomplishments" of the leader of the criminal enterprise known as the PLD!
Your attempt at defending LIE-onel Fernandez via magnanimous rhetoric in your posting is very weak at best.
So please try again and enumerate his "accomplishments?"
Take your time I don’t want to rush you, I am patient fellow!
Written by: josean, 25 Nov 2009 3:54 PM
From: United States
Hey Lou here is another item you may want to consider in your list of LIE-onel Fernandez's "accomplishments:"
"Historically Haitian migration into the Dominican Republic has been a high-profile issue on both sides of the border but in recent years a parallel problem has arisen as the flow of Dominicans trafficked into Haiti has also been increasing."
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....lp-Dominican-prostitutes-in-HaitiWritten by: wylkens, 25 Nov 2009 4:00 PM
From: United States
I am very happy to be a part of this conversation-I am Haitian-American I was born in NJ I like Haiti, you Dominican people you are a great nation I've been to Republic Dominican once last May, I would like to say don't worry about that bull shit unification that is strongly impossible and will never happened let them talk because their mouths are full of shit. Even though Haiti is very poor, Haitians are not going to negotiate their sovereignty and Dominican Republic too therefore there be will a civil war...Trust me this is impossible because Haitians give their blood,flesh, and sweat more than any nation in the universe to become independent if we give up our country that will be a such of waste for our ancestors who fought for independence from France .Both governments need to join for a plan to build a wall or put fence around the border and enforce security and law about coming from Haiti to Dominican Rep.vise versa put more soldiers to the border.
From: United States
I knew about the plan. when I announced it here months ago, I was ridiculed. Will it ever happen? Who knows? Today East and West Germay are united. The island of Hiapaniola belongs to the aborigenes. Haitians and Domincans have to learn to live together. What has to be discussed now is simple: Will there be a joint government? Will every inhabitant of the island be called Haitian? Since Haiti abolished slavery on the island, which country will have the upper hand? As you know the Haitians broke the chains of slavery, fought victoriously bloody battles, and Haitians defeated the Spanish, the British, and the French to liberate the island from slavery. Unification could be ok as long as Haitians are in charge.
You guys don't have to agree with me. I am just expressing my view, my opinion.
Written by: johnyd7, 26 Nov 2009 12:20 AM
From: United States
Unification would be great if only Haitians will be in power in the land that they abolished slavery .
Same_struggle, your opinion is shared by me and many others "I knew about the plan. when I announced it here months ago, I was ridiculed. Will it ever happen? Who knows? Today East and West Germay are united. The island of Hiapaniola belongs to the aborigenes. Haitians and Domincans have to learn to live together. What has to be discussed now is simple: Will there be a joint government? Will every inhabitant of the island be called Haitian? Since Haiti abolished slavery on the island, which country will have the upper hand. As you know the Haitians broke the chains of slavery, fought victoriously bloody battles, and Haitians defeated the Spanish, the British, and the French to liberate the island from slavery. Unification could be ok as long as Haitians are in charge. ''
Written by: johnyd7, 26 Nov 2009 12:59 AM
From: United States
Written by: Louisny, 26 Nov 2009 1:35 AM
From: United States
Josean, you make me laugh. In life there are positive and negative things. But it is up to you to observe them. However, I do not discriminate people opinions. I am a very open mind person, and I do not limit myself. But as I once said, you have misunderstood me, and it is a waste of time to reason with you. I respect your point of view, and I share some of your ideas. But I am not a fanatic. I have written several articles analyzing the poor economic condition of the Dominican Republic, and I have criticized the position of the president. However, it is a normal thing to do to analyze the wrong actions of the president. I have educated myself in the United States, and the college professors teach us to be critical thinkers. I do not see the world only in black and white. I have to see reality from different perspective.
Juan Bosch le dijo una vez a uno de sus oponentes: yo solamente peleo con lo de mi peso, ahora que usted quiera subir de peso, ya eso es otra cosa.
Written by: josean, 26 Nov 2009 11:43 AM
From: United States
As Lloyd Benson said to Dan Quayle Senator and I paraphrase: Louisny, "I served with Juan Bosch. I knew Juan Bosch. Juan Bosch was a friend of mine. Louisny, you are no Juan Bosch."
You appear to be a lackey of LIE-onel Fernandez who masquerades with pseudo intellectual objectivity from the comfort that economic exile affords you. If you were suffering the daily assault and degradation the vast majority of the Dominican people are suffering, at the hands of LIE-onel Fernandez and the criminal enterprise he leads, I doubt you would be such a “Heavy Weight” in calling for “critical thinking” and “other perspectives!”
I have said it before and I will say it again LIE-onel Fernandez is con-artist, a snake oil salesman, a bamboozler a wannabe that never was, and never will be.
Don Juan must be rolling in his grave lamenting that he ever associated himself with that parasite!
Continued:
Written by: josean, 26 Nov 2009 11:45 AM
From: United States
Louisny, you on the other hand are still alive and in time to clean yourself of the stain of ever having praised this enemy of the Dominican people as so many of us have already done!
So my brother if you what to feel intellectually superior to me go right ahead, I am just an untutored peasant, but believe me we are both morally superior to LIE-onel Fernandez, the problem is you have not yet realized it!
Written by: Louisny, 26 Nov 2009 12:55 PM
From: United States
Josean, I am not involved into politic, and I am not affiliated to any political party. I am Dominican. I concern about what is going on in my country. I read the newspapers, and I investigate what are the problems that affect the vast majority of the island. But I am not expecting anything from the people of the island. It is the apposite; I contribute to the economic development like many Dominicans that live in the Diaspora. We do not get anything back from those people from over there. The irony of life they think we are criminals here. Juan Pablo Duarte poured out his heart to save the Dominican Republic, and how the people paid him: Rosa Duarte was killed by Santana, and Duarte’s mother was expulsed to the exile. Duarte lived in Venezuela for last twenty years of his life, and then he died homeless.
Written by: Louisny, 26 Nov 2009 12:56 PM
From: United States
Duarte's name came to the spot light, because Joaquin Balaguer wrote El Cristo de la Libertad in 1950, and the book was published in Argentina in1955. Trujillo’s regime tried to stop the publication of El Cristo de la Libertad.
However, I do not like to denigrate people, and especially the name of the President of the Dominican Republic. Because Hipolito Mejia screwed up the country it does not give me the right to disrespect his persona. I know my boundaries. Beside that, I know I am not Juan Bosch, but I admire Bosch for many reasons. Anyway, I have to confess that I have enjoyed the little debate you and I have had. I hope to do it again in the future.
From: United States, Naples, Florida
Haiti is the enemy since 1844 and unless that country doesn't change their mind about thinking that the island is one and indivisible by taking off from her constitution the name for the island as "Island of Haiti". The name of the island is "Island of Santo Domingo", none other should be the name of the island. The Dominican Republic government should condition the friendship with this enemy nation of Haiti to the following: 1) Change of the name in her constitution; and, 2) Repatriation of all her citizens from the territory of Quisqueya.
http://www.quisqueya.name Written by: josean, 26 Nov 2009 6:08 PM
From: United States
Louisny,
"We do not get anything back from those people from over there."
THOSE PEOPLE, THOSE PEOPLE, just because you’re “Yola” made it, now the poor devils that remain under the tyranny of the oligarchy and its agent LIE-onel Fernandez are THOSE PEOPLE.
Hermano, THOSE PEOPLE have more dignity and courage than you and I will ever have. It’s THOSE PEOPLE, who Killed Trujillo and continue to battle for Democracy and catch hell everyday trying to defend our sovereignty struggling to survive with the crumbs that your hero and his masters flick down upon them.
So you don't like to denigrate the oppressors but you don't mind denigrating the oppressed by referring to them dismissively as THOSE PEOPLE!
There but for the grace of God you and I are not one of THOSE PEOPLE, so come down to earth pisa!
Written by: Louisny, 26 Nov 2009 11:37 PM
From: United States
Josean, I would like to know if you are participating in politic or you belong to any political organization from the Dominican Republic. Are you contributing to any nonprofit organization to help the people in the Dominican Republic? Do you write for a magazine or a newspaper in the Dominican community in the U.S? What are your plans to bring changes to the Dominicans here and there? Are you studying to go back to your mother land and do changes? Do you see yourself working for the government? Tell me your plans to change the bad situation of the country. If you are planning to do a social revolution or you are working with a group of people to do it, I congradulate you. We need drastic changes.
Written by: josean, 26 Nov 2009 11:54 PM
From: United States
I just stroll through the internet refuting the lies put out by LIE-onel Fernandez, his paid propaganda machine and those who have not seen him for what he is yet or choose not.
I support Guillermo Moreno for President in 2012, the only person I see at the moment with the integrity and will to make a real significant contribution to the republic!
The rest of my contributions and activities must remain obscure otherwise cepillitos may start circling my house!
Written by: Louisny, 27 Nov 2009 11:12 AM
From: United States
Josean stated “I just stroll through the internet refuting the lies put out by LIE-onel Fernandez, his paid propaganda machine and those who have not seen him for what he is yet or choose not.”
I recommend you to write in a magazine or a newspaper and reveal all those lies you have found about Leonel Fernandez and his administration. Your obligation is to inform those Dominicans that are not aware of those crimes Leonel Fernandez is committing against our people. It would be more practical to write it down, and publish it. I have done it. I have written articles, and I have published them.
Written by: Louisny, 27 Nov 2009 11:12 AM
From: United States
Matos Moquetes citó en su libro; Caamaño la Ultima Esperanza Armada, no es lo mismo ser revolucionario de adentro, que ser revolucionario de afuera. Hablarla entre amigos es fácil, pero desglosar y enfrentar los golpes de la realidad en los medios de comunicación es otra cosa
En la República hay muchos teóricos, hablan los problemas, y después que están en el gobierno se vuelven unos disparates. De esos disparates e disparatozos expresión popular, era que Balaguer se aprovechaba para fijar su posición, ya que Balaguer hablaba con los hechos, y no tanto con las palabras. Es como el dicho: del dicho al hecho está el estrecho. Sobre Guillermo Moreno, es una gran persona, lo conocí en una de sus visitas, y dialogamos. Te deseo suerte en tu carrera política.
JuanB,,,you are laughting, but what is this true?
if any unification will happened let those country do the following, before here is are some fact
haiti hold a population of almost 10 million people in an area the side of rhode island 95% black and 5% mulatto.
a) Have france move 60% of the haitian to france, since they have historically started this wholes mess
b) have canada take 20% of the haitian population into Quebec, since Canada is such a huge nation with only 37.5 million inhabitant
c) The U.S can take 10% and move them somewhere.
d) DR will take the remained 10%, only if the pay all the debt that the hatian hold, because is going to take us over 100 year just to go there clean up and rebuild.
Really?
How can that be true? LOL
Its a call to arms... The president may have rejected the French proposal but it doesn't rule out that 2,000,000 million haitians are already in the DR, the process, whether we like it or not has been started without our concent and we should STRIKE BACK!!!
This whole scenario would be the same as uniting the U.S. with Mexico. It just is not going to happen. The matter is so complicated that nobody has the right formula to do it, and to suggest there is a way to do it is a pipe dream.
Get them out... NOW!!!
I am starting a campaign to unite the US and Canada.
And the main reason is all that foreing money that is flowing DR's way right now
Leonel fernandez is selling out and he doesn't even know it, how else can you explain all this borrowing and all this development, and then to fuel the conspiracy theories is the fact that they change the constitution amendment that grant DR citinzenship to all hitian children born in dominican soil knowing very well that there are more than 2 mill illegal haitian living in DR right now, changing the jus sanguini to the jus solis was the first step towards integration.
lo siento pero este pais se jodio, y lo malo es que si nos oponemos a la integracion nos acusan de racistas y xenofobos
France, Canada, U.S. know very well that trying to unify different people is just like calling them to war.
If our government don't take account on those facts, then we will be facing the biggest human disgrace.
No body need to be a visionary to predict a river of blood, but they may feel comfortable about it, knowing that that could be a very cheap way to solve the problem.
Might God help us!! and forgive 'em.
NGO FIRST WORLD COUNTRY And their long ago plan for the Unification of La Española thru FUSION
Balaguer saw it coming in the 80's as stated by the article of Euclides Gutierrez.
Escrito por: Euclides Gutiérrez Félix (informacion@elnacional.com)
Dos presidentes para una isla
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Hace más de veinte o veinticinco años, desde el programa matutino que producía Julio Hazim, en Radio Santo Domingo Televisión, que hoy tiene un nombre que nadie sabe pronunciar, acompañado de Machi Constant y Consuelo Despradel, el autor de esta columna denunció, con lujo de detalles, cómo se había puesto en ejecución un plan elaborado por los proyectistas estadounidenses, canadienses y franceses, para unificar al pueblo haitiano y a la nación dominicana y convertirlos en un Estado que ignoramos el nombre que los dueños del mundo, o por lo menos de esta parte del continente, habían decidido inventarse para dar a conocer en esa nueva proyección la isla de La Española.
Old School: What developement? Our country is falling apart.
It's sad that they want to merge the island and have DR be accountable for Haiti but Haitians have never respected the Dominican Republic and its boundaries and expects the DR to solve there problems. We all know Haitians don't want to work together to solve there internal prejudicies, discrimination, exploitative, and racial connudrum. The elites/middle class prefer to head out in DR and have the country in shambles rather than work together for the common good.
The DR and Haiti are on a path to merger headed by the France, Canada, and the USA.
We need to defend our country and stand up for our people. I'm not against immigrations, I am against illegal immigrattion. We have a neighbor who seems get worse and doesn't work to get better but all the burden on Dominicans to solve there problem.
Some people think that from day one Haiti's mission was to destroy the DR. Through out history we have seen the attacks on our nation and attempts to have us extinct from the island. We all know history can repeat its self and it i with this passive invasion of sick, uneducated, and hungry mass of Haitians that cross and live illegally in DR.
it's very true what's going on. Just go to DR, read the news, and see what the world powers are downing on the island. Haiti has everything to gain with such merger or union. DR is being sold cheap labor by Haitians and FDI $$$$$ as benefits to inheriting the Haitian crisis. Sadly, DR is taking $$$$$$ and running with it.
This is very disatraous for Dominicans
Canada should know better as Quebec is always trying to leave Canada the language and the religion difference has always caused a rift....and this is largely due to France's interference. For all I care France can take over both and make them part of them as States just like Puerto Rico is for the US. But they should not be trying to force DR into merging with Haiti.
I will be contacting my canadian member of parliament to voice my complaint! Balaguer did right by DR by rejecting this and LF should do the same but then again he does not have the balls!
It doesn't surprise me that foreigners are trying to rid themselves of the Haitian Question by buying time and space until the next major blow-up occurs. That's when the entire island is nonviable, the trees gone, and basically a Greater Haiti envelop the entire space. Think 20-30 more years. For those who believe that some of the economic aid and perhaps, loan forgiveness down-the-road-- IF THE TARGETS ARE MET-are a quip pro quo may be on to something. Easy money and tokens appreciation in a corrupt nation will buy you many politicos and business. The steady displacement and gradual penetration of vast numbers from Haiti will overwhelm any likely disorganized response from future governments of the DR. The tragic and ironic parts of this story have leaders of the DR allowing these development to gather steam for many decades.
The Haitian Question was not a sudden phenomenon; its tragedy and impending debacle was there for all to see and PREPRE. Sadly, the greed of a few has cost the nation far more than they and their enablers ever dreamed possible.
Even during the time of the Dictator Rafael L. Trujillo, Haitians were used to cut cane and do other labor intensive work. Every leader and President since has allowed the Greedy businessmen and politicians have their way and thus allowed this situation to get out of hand And now the nation is bearing the "fruits" of their greedy deeds.
With a minority President in the USA, the vast Global agenda in full swing, the NGOs tearing at the heels, even a well functioning government would have trouble getting across an alternative plan.
What is the likelihood or probability of Haiti getting on its feet and providing for its citizens in the near future? Close to zero. So the chore is going to be handed to the DR, the NGOs, and "free" loans will gre
juanb
please don't side with the ignorants
" what development?
If you're not capable of noticing the huge amount of investments been pour into DR through foreign firms mainly europeans then juan your are just blind or stupid
I mean, you think el metro de santo domingo was build with monopoly money, la presa del pinalito, el embalse de amina, la autopista santo domingo-sanchez, la segunda linea del metro, cap cana, luxury hotels everywhere, etc, etc.
where all that money comes from juan?
Dos presidentes para una isla
El tema de Haití ha generado de nuevo la preocupación, ahora más justificada, después del nombramiento de Jimmy Carter y Bill Clinton, ex presidentes de los Estados Unidos de America, por el gobierno de ese país en función de guardianes ejecutivos misioneros de la isla de La Española. El señor Carter como supervisor de la República Dominicana y el señor Clinton como presidente, en funciones, sin recibir honorarios por sus servicios, del pueblo haitiano; pero en la realidad de los hechos lo que preocupa fueron las declaraciones del señor Carter, en relación con una supuesta campaña “binacional”, para erradicar la malaria, conocida popularmente con el nombre de paludismo, en la nación dominicana y el pueblo haitiano.
Those historical debts must be paid back, so we have to start asking for refund.
We have the right to stand for what is ours.
Are we gonna cross our arms and do NOTHING?
We should hold responsible everyone in government , EVEN if they are discussing it
and hunt down their families and execute them, and set an example to those corrupt
politicians.
I can't even imagine what would be of our beautiful country if this thing happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZqcJQXo7oA
I think this post merit this video
George Bush Senior New World Order
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iotc10SGzxY&feature=related
What is so funny is that there isn't a Dominican Polititan to be trusted in this entire country from the President on down to the lowly fiscal yet you people listen to this ladrone?
I actually believe the police at the roadblock that tells me he is hungry who is worse than the haitian child beggars in Sosua... LOL
I have a question, how come Haitians are better than Dominicans in learning different languages?
I have a question, how come Haitians are better than Dominicans in learning different languages?...Need.
Ask an average American how many languages he/she can speak?... Barely English...No need for more.
In fact, many dominicans can speak: Cibaeño, Capitaleño, Sureño, some can speak English, a few can speak French, and I think some are able to speak a little bit of Spanish...That's not bad!!
Learning from the experience from Gaborone and Harare, that I think current economic sitiation and immigration problems resemble to ours: Haiti and Dominican Republic. Do you think an electrified fence along DR/Haiti border would be helpful?..Or are you just to far away from Francistown and Kasane to notice what's going on in your backyard?
Even my father, who holds both French and Dominican passports, would be incensed by this proposal.
DR and Haiti are distinct cultures with a memorable past of wars and conquests that's indelible in every Dominican's mind. We are never going to unify, no matte which fool, left leaning and inept and less than honorable past US president promotes it. We won't allow it and shall fight to the death to prevent it.
Haiti, Canada and US and rest of Europe cannot eschew their assumed responsibility and perverse sense of benevolence to fix our part of the world, especially Haiti. Integrating Haiti and DR does not make any more sense than integrating France and Germany or Canada and US or US and Mexico.
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You guys have enough problems of your own, such as unemployment and health care in US and the two wars in the Middle East. Canada has its own problem with Quebec and unemployment. France, what can we say about it: high unemployment; pompous extremous; inferiority complex; an ignored language; etc.
Please leave my country out of your oblique and ludicrous proposals.
MJEV.
You are so correct.
This is what I call passive indifference.
Once immigration reaches critical mass, there will be no viable way of redressing situation, and Dominican culture will sadly be relegated to the annals of history.
Perhaps Johnnyd7 was right when he stated: " Once again Dr will be under the Haitian’s controlled. Boyer could not finish the job but now the question is rising up again. Anyway, the entire land is for the Haitians. They are the one who fought for it.".
With Dominicans lack of gumption to fight for their rights and country, perhaps it is inevitable that we will once again be conquered by the Haitians, and maybe this time they won't even have to use military force.
MJEV.
Meditemos en el ideal del Cristo de la Libertad: nuestra patria a de ser libre e independiente de toda potencia extrajera o se hunde la isla.
José Luis Corona
What is so funny is that there isn't a Dominican Polititan to be trusted in this entire country from the President on down to the lowly fiscal yet you people listen to this ladrone?
I actually believe the police at the roadblock that tells me he is hungry who is worse than the haitian child beggars in Sosua... LOL
I have a question, how come Haitians are better than Dominicans in learning different languages?
One time in POP some PN pull me over to ask me "dame algo para la fria." lol Good question a couple of them that i know, know of course French but also English, Spanish, German, so that's why alot of Dominican owned tourist businesses hire them instead of a Dominican.
The thruth really hurt huh, it's not easy to look at the man in the mirror some times? Is it.
Samuel Johnson:
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."
Samuel Johnson:
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."
Haitians like PatDiamond have no say whatsoever in what we as Dominicans do for our country and the claims of Haitian multilingualism are ridiculous given that most Haitians are illiterate and barely speak that pseudo language known as Kreyol..
Compatriotas ,el tiempo se esta agotando ,pronto no habrá vuelta atrás .En los tiempos difíciles hacen falta hombres y mujeres de contundencia porque si no reaccionamos ahora lloraremos como mujeres lo que no supimos defender como hombres !
Votar por partidos nacionalistas
Formar nuevas agrupaciones políticas
Hacer protestas ante las sedes de el partido gobernante (Dominicanos Patriotas sin importar su ideología o afiliación partidista)
Presionar al gobierno para que haga cumplir las leyes actuales y respetar nuestra soberanía.
Pedir una consulta electoral al pueblo Dominicano sobre el tema .
No cooperar de manera personal con la ilegalidad ,o sea que por ahorrar unos pesos votemos con nuestro dinero exigiendo a los lugares donde compramos que cumplan con las leyes Dominicanas.
Cualquier idea agregada será agradecida.
En fin no podemos dejar que el sacrificio de nuestros próceres contra las jaurías Haitianas que pretenden borrarnos del mapa mundial y los poderes que se quieren liberar de la carga de la nación vecina nacida como un aborto de la naturaleza fundada bajo el lema del odio y el satanismo.!
I simply agree.
I've got to go get some fresh air....:\
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Mr Hussein of Iraq felt the same way when he decided to let it be knowing he would no longer accept payments for his oil contracts in USD but unstead in euros. Well everybody knows how that story end.
Don't worry my friends the timing is not right yet. When the Illuminaties oops I mean the bankers decides to call in their debts I doubt your leaders will have much too say about the master plan for DR. Reunification with Haiti is going to be the least of your problems. Keep gorging your self at the buffet table,eventually you will find out there is no such thing as a free lunch. Remember the story of the Trojan Horse.
Louisny,
If it is not too much trouble, could you please list these "positive accomplishments" that then one you admire has done?
In the United States, the men are not against working on construction, because they are paid well. The problem is that in DR, they don't pay any decent salaries, and construction work under the hot sun is no picnic. The Haitians are poor, and they don't mind..........
DR exports cause concern
A slight decline in exports to the US could cause some discomfort, but a whopping 33.73% decrease in exports of apparel to the US is cause for major concern. The value of these exports has also fallen by 27.96%.
The exports registered 277,542 million square meters of textiles during the first 9 months of 2008, to 183,933 million square meters in 2009. The value fell from US$644.52 billion in 2008 to US$466.45 billion in 2009. The concerns over this trend are highlighted by the fact that the DR is part of the DR-CAFTA trade agreement, which was expected to spur Dominican exports to the US markets. This has not been the case.
The DR is now the 20th largest exporter of apparel to the US, after having been 4th in ranking.
¿Y No Era Y Que Pa' Lante Que Íbamos?
Source DR1
@Pixeles
http://MiBahia.net
As I always said, you de Dominicans are a bunch of cowards when it is time to confront the real enemies of the people sharing this island. So if the United States, France and Canada keep moving forward with their project, you will turn on us Haitians and not on them, hein?
That won't be a bad idea to unify the island, because the same way the Albanians have taken over kosovo within a few decades, we would have outnumbered you very swiftly and take over this island which is ours haitians since 1804.
Instead of talking non sense, you better prepare yourselves and ask us to help you fight that machiavelic project which is simming into their machiavelic mind. We Haitians have nothing to lose with such endeavour, we will take over the island and you all will be speaking creole pretty soon.
You are so blinded by hatred that it is clearly interfering with you ability to reason.
Louisny,
After almost three terms in office all you can point to is a "few universities" to highlight the "accomplishments" of the leader of the criminal enterprise known as the PLD!
Your attempt at defending LIE-onel Fernandez via magnanimous rhetoric in your posting is very weak at best.
So please try again and enumerate his "accomplishments?"
Take your time I don’t want to rush you, I am patient fellow!
"Historically Haitian migration into the Dominican Republic has been a high-profile issue on both sides of the border but in recent years a parallel problem has arisen as the flow of Dominicans trafficked into Haiti has also been increasing."
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....lp-Dominican-prostitutes-in-Haiti
You guys don't have to agree with me. I am just expressing my view, my opinion.
Same_struggle, your opinion is shared by me and many others "I knew about the plan. when I announced it here months ago, I was ridiculed. Will it ever happen? Who knows? Today East and West Germay are united. The island of Hiapaniola belongs to the aborigenes. Haitians and Domincans have to learn to live together. What has to be discussed now is simple: Will there be a joint government? Will every inhabitant of the island be called Haitian? Since Haiti abolished slavery on the island, which country will have the upper hand. As you know the Haitians broke the chains of slavery, fought victoriously bloody battles, and Haitians defeated the Spanish, the British, and the French to liberate the island from slavery. Unification could be ok as long as Haitians are in charge. ''
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....lp-Dominican-prostitutes-in-Haiti
Juan Bosch le dijo una vez a uno de sus oponentes: yo solamente peleo con lo de mi peso, ahora que usted quiera subir de peso, ya eso es otra cosa.
You appear to be a lackey of LIE-onel Fernandez who masquerades with pseudo intellectual objectivity from the comfort that economic exile affords you. If you were suffering the daily assault and degradation the vast majority of the Dominican people are suffering, at the hands of LIE-onel Fernandez and the criminal enterprise he leads, I doubt you would be such a “Heavy Weight” in calling for “critical thinking” and “other perspectives!”
I have said it before and I will say it again LIE-onel Fernandez is con-artist, a snake oil salesman, a bamboozler a wannabe that never was, and never will be.
Don Juan must be rolling in his grave lamenting that he ever associated himself with that parasite!
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So my brother if you what to feel intellectually superior to me go right ahead, I am just an untutored peasant, but believe me we are both morally superior to LIE-onel Fernandez, the problem is you have not yet realized it!
However, I do not like to denigrate people, and especially the name of the President of the Dominican Republic. Because Hipolito Mejia screwed up the country it does not give me the right to disrespect his persona. I know my boundaries. Beside that, I know I am not Juan Bosch, but I admire Bosch for many reasons. Anyway, I have to confess that I have enjoyed the little debate you and I have had. I hope to do it again in the future.
"We do not get anything back from those people from over there."
THOSE PEOPLE, THOSE PEOPLE, just because you’re “Yola” made it, now the poor devils that remain under the tyranny of the oligarchy and its agent LIE-onel Fernandez are THOSE PEOPLE.
Hermano, THOSE PEOPLE have more dignity and courage than you and I will ever have. It’s THOSE PEOPLE, who Killed Trujillo and continue to battle for Democracy and catch hell everyday trying to defend our sovereignty struggling to survive with the crumbs that your hero and his masters flick down upon them.
So you don't like to denigrate the oppressors but you don't mind denigrating the oppressed by referring to them dismissively as THOSE PEOPLE!
There but for the grace of God you and I are not one of THOSE PEOPLE, so come down to earth pisa!
Josean, I would like to know if you are participating in politic or you belong to any political organization from the Dominican Republic. Are you contributing to any nonprofit organization to help the people in the Dominican Republic? Do you write for a magazine or a newspaper in the Dominican community in the U.S? What are your plans to bring changes to the Dominicans here and there? Are you studying to go back to your mother land and do changes? Do you see yourself working for the government? Tell me your plans to change the bad situation of the country. If you are planning to do a social revolution or you are working with a group of people to do it, I congradulate you. We need drastic changes.
I support Guillermo Moreno for President in 2012, the only person I see at the moment with the integrity and will to make a real significant contribution to the republic!
The rest of my contributions and activities must remain obscure otherwise cepillitos may start circling my house!
I recommend you to write in a magazine or a newspaper and reveal all those lies you have found about Leonel Fernandez and his administration. Your obligation is to inform those Dominicans that are not aware of those crimes Leonel Fernandez is committing against our people. It would be more practical to write it down, and publish it. I have done it. I have written articles, and I have published them.
En la República hay muchos teóricos, hablan los problemas, y después que están en el gobierno se vuelven unos disparates. De esos disparates e disparatozos expresión popular, era que Balaguer se aprovechaba para fijar su posición, ya que Balaguer hablaba con los hechos, y no tanto con las palabras. Es como el dicho: del dicho al hecho está el estrecho. Sobre Guillermo Moreno, es una gran persona, lo conocí en una de sus visitas, y dialogamos. Te deseo suerte en tu carrera política.