MIAMI.- The U.S.-based charity organization The Salvation Army announced on Tuesday that it would increase funding to help fight the growing human trafficking in Haiti, which includes Dominican prostitutes.
The announcement comes amid reports that the practice is on the rise across the island of Hispaniola.
Historically Haitian migration into the Dominican Republic has been a high-profile issue on both sides of the border but in recent years a parallel problem has arisen as the flow of Dominicans trafficked into Haiti has also been increasing.
The clandestine trade mostly involves young women being sold into prostitution.
According to a report by the International Organization for Migration, for much of the nineties more than 50,000 Dominican women worked in prostitution overseas, the world’s 4th highest figure. The problem is apparent both in the Haiti capital Port-au-Prince and in a string of towns along the border.
The UN reports that in recent years 13 new brothels have appeared on the streets of Ouanaminthe alone.
The Haitian state lacks the effective law-enforcement agencies necessary to combat the problem and while sustained efforts have been made by NGO’s and notably by the United Nations Mission for the Stabilization of Haiti (MINUSTAH).
Written by: josean, 25 Nov 2009 3:49 PM
From: United States
pepe32 will be sending his substantial contribution immediately, once his DADDY gives him his allowance!
Written by: xwill7, 25 Nov 2009 3:50 PM
From: United States, Chicago
Is there so much cuero competition in DR that they have to go to Haiti??? Or is it just the ugly ones?
Written by: josean, 25 Nov 2009 4:00 PM
From: United States
¿Y No Era Y Que Pa' Lante Que Íbamos?
¡Pero ahora párese que es Pa' Haití Que Vamos!
Ay! LIE-onelito Fernandez what a mess you have made of things in METROLANDIA!
From: United States
This is nationally humiliating.
From: Dominican Republic
Well, I'm currently in Haiti, and the city of Petion-Ville is full on young BEAUTIFUL dominican ladies working as prostiutes. Eso da pena !
Written by: josean, 25 Nov 2009 4:17 PM
From: United States
Tell them to come home LIE-onel Fernandez is building another METRO, every problem is resolved!
Written by: dolo1, 25 Nov 2009 5:21 PM
From: United States
More feminazi influenced policy by the WorldBank, IMF, CIA.
This "human trafficking" - DR and Hait -is bullshit. People go where the jobs, opportunity, and money are. If you have been to any of the tourist and or prostitution areas in the DR you will see very quickly so no one is being "forced" to prostitute. If anything it the tourists who are being suckered. Paying a Dominican woman big money for something that she does with her novio for free.
Some do it because its easy money to them (easier than selling jugo or cell phone cards etc.),
some because they dont have any other skills and dont care to develop any other, others because they ...gasp....enjoy the relative independence and freedom of it. Other because they may have emotional pyschogical issues -
Almost none are "forced" - by threat of harm by another to prostitute. Not in the DR. Lies.
If prostitution is on the rise across Hispaniola it is because wages are low, decent
Written by: dolo1, 25 Nov 2009 5:30 PM
From: United States
If prostitution is on the rise across Hispaniola it is because wages are low, decent jobs are scarce, education is inadeguate, the economy is slowing down due to the economic crisis, and women are doing this as a way to make ends meet and earn. Its a hard choice for many, but a choice nonetheless.
Written by: oupala07 
, 25 Nov 2009 6:14 PM
From: Canada
Well well! It looks like that things are pretty bad in Tainoland guys. I remember when I used to be a teen ager that those Dominican "hermosas" used to flock to Port-au-Prince by the dozens when Papa Doc Duvalier was in power. I could understand that, because we were well off than you were in those times. However, hearing that they are back means only one thing and it is, despite of all the "grandiose" everyday investment here and there news I am reading on the DominicanToday Web site, things are not really going that well for a big chunk of the Dominican people. That's not your fault guys : I have told you time and time and time again, foreign investors will build your country, but they don't care for the masses.
Written by: josean, 25 Nov 2009 6:18 PM
From: United States
O,
Its called METROLANDIA!
From: Botswana, Seatin here in Gaborone having a drink with Ms Pussy Galore
Pepe32, Vacanos,blurturdsky,Old school,Msjersey.
care to comment?
Written by: danny00, 25 Nov 2009 6:24 PM
From: United States
DOLO1..
thank u for your statment which is very true......know one is forcing them.... most or lets say many of them are doing it 4 their husbands or boyfriends.....
how can one STUPID GIRL believe her boyfriend or husband REALLY LOVES HER if they send them out 4 sex 4 dollars?
Written by: danny00, 25 Nov 2009 6:25 PM
From: United States
any HOOKERS working the METRO yet?
Written by: xwill7, 25 Nov 2009 6:30 PM
From: United States, Chicago
special cabins on the metro danny00???? They should add a stripper car on the metro.
Written by: danny00, 25 Nov 2009 6:30 PM
From: United States
OUPALA07.. u say......foreign investors will build your country, but they don't care for the masses.
WHY SHOULD THEY CARE?.. their in the business of making money
WHAT is really true is that the BIG BOYS IN THE DOMINICAN GOVERNMENT ARE "MAKING THE MONEY FROM THE INVESTORS"..... and puting it in their Own pockets...
SO DONT BLAME THE INVESTORS..... put the blame on the right people.where it belongs and STOP BLAMING THE WHOLE WORLD WHEN THE PROBLEM SITS IN YOUR OWN BACK YARD....
Written by: danny00, 25 Nov 2009 6:31 PM
From: United States
glad know one puts the cia in this picture......as many do in the country..
in truth im sure the cia sleeps well at night when it comes to the dr..... and does not give a damm about the dr.
Written by: danny00, 25 Nov 2009 6:33 PM
From: United States
thank u xwill like the thoughts.
maybe this will also get more riders on the metro.. what u think.?...
have to run now my train is coming into the station.... be nice to see some ladies of the night on board...lol
From: Botswana, Seatin here in Gaborone having a drink with Ms Pussy Galore
@oupala07
Do you remember the infamous Donkey Show these Dominican Chicas used to perform @ Biblosse Night Club.
Written by: xwill7, 25 Nov 2009 6:45 PM
From: United States, Chicago
What? thats nasty... I thought that only happened in Mexico
Written by: xwill7, 25 Nov 2009 6:46 PM
From: United States, Chicago
danny,
an on board drink bar would help
From: United States
Trade is booming regardless what people say prostitution is a trade. Its too bad that is the only thing that gets free trade status between DR and Haiti.
Written by: antonioj, 25 Nov 2009 7:39 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Dolo1, you have hit the nail on that one, however I am shocked that the numbers are that high
very sad, women need protection anywhere , Josean be smart enough not to turn this into an Haitian- Dominican food fight, like some of you have already attempted to.
From: Canada, Montreal
Say that those womens are forced to cross to haiti is a big lie
From: United States, San Diego, CA - (Dei sitio)
I think what the article is seeking to highlight is the human trafficking issues in the DR, which I believe, numbers are worrisome. However in terms of prostitution, I don’t believe we are different than any other country, the way our prostitution work may be slightly different, our prostitutes migrate for better opportunities and higher salary. In the US prostitutes use the internet to find customers, other places like Amsterdam, Bangkok, Brussels and other big cities prostitution is found in the “Red-light districts”; In London, Sao Paulo and Las Vegas prostitutes use stickers or tart cards to advertise their services. The occurrence of prostitution in the world is very similar, ranging from 0.02% – 0.03% of the population.
50,000 of our prostitutes have decided to do business abroad; we still have another 200,000 in house that we need to pay attention to.
Written by: dolo1, 25 Nov 2009 9:14 PM
From: United States
I just wish someof these NGOs would get real. They never assign women any agency or power.
Women are always cast as the innocent powerless victims and men as the evil oppressors. Typical feminazi garbage. They cant fathom the idea that a woman - on her own accord - after assessing her life, skill, opportunties etc, would decide to be a prostitute. There always has to be someone "exploiting" her.
If you really want to "help", then provide viable job opotunties so that the choice to be a prostitute will be a harder one. Of course, what vexes many people is that even after having many opportunties, many women choose to be prostitutes. Look at the USA. - the most affluent country in the world with unlimited opportunutiy (relative to the rest of the world) - and women still chose to prostitute. - for many, it beats getting a day job.
Written by: jacklamb, 25 Nov 2009 10:21 PM
From: Haiti
" xwill7, 25 Nov 2009 3:50 PM
From: United States, Chicago
Is there so much cuero competition in DR that they have to go to Haiti??? Or is it just the ugly ones?"
WHAT DO U MEAN "THE UGLY ONES" how do u define an ugly woman? what part of DR are from? you sound so uneducated...and i bet u've never hace a fine as# woman in your line. when enlighted mind are discussing important issues, shut the f^^% up, if you don't have positive to say. go at the fucking gaz station to wait for your next job. you piece of Sh**^
Written by: ateo1992 , 25 Nov 2009 10:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
this is ironic why would you prostitute yourself in haiti lol...
From: United States
Thank you Lord for instilling in me the spirit of compassion,understanding,tolerance.
From: United States
This kind of practice has been going on in Haiti for almost a century. Finally a Dominican media outlet has the courage to say it.
Now people would respect DomincanToday more that they used too.
Written by: mariposa, 26 Nov 2009 1:00 AM
From: United States
It appears that some of you didn't read the article properly.
These Dominican women are being SOLD into prostitution. It sounds to me as if this is not a voluntary thing, and that makes this a criminal matter.
It has nothing to do with being attractive or not.
Written by: oupala07 , 26 Nov 2009 1:25 AM
From: Canada
My friends the moderators of the DominicanToday,
You don't like to hear things that sting you hein? However, when it is open season on my country and people you let everything pass. Well! That won't change the fact that what I said is real and verifiable. Learn to have the gut to receive a punch without shaking, the same way we Haitians have been doing for more than two centuries.
Written by: dolo1, 26 Nov 2009 1:06 PM
From: United States
Dominican women have been going to Haiti to work for years - the same way Haitian come to DR to prostitute.
Many prostitutes do have a sense of shame and do not want to ruin their reputations at home so they travel to another area to work. Haitianas to DR - Dominicanas to Haiti. This has been happening for a long time.
Written by: oupala07 , 26 Nov 2009 4:32 PM
From: Canada
I don't think Haitian women cross the border primarily to work as prostitutes. It's when they don't find anything to do for a living that they revert to sell their body for cash, while Dominican women have their mind set on what type of work they're gonna do abroad, even before they leave their country.
Do not try to mix apples and oranges here my friend. Your women love sex and they enjoy make it for money, therefore, have the courage to admit it. I am pretty sure that if haitian women were as numerous in your country sex business as you might tend to falsely believe it, it is quite certain you the latinos would have already been quick to make it a subject of insult for all of us haitians.
We are much more morality prone than you are folks. Before throwing mud at us, you must first stop screwing your under age kids, and morally clean your society.
Written by: oupala07 , 26 Nov 2009 4:50 PM
From: Canada
Danny00,
You've just add what I have left you to guess. It is, in fact indeed, the government that has to make sure that the people profit from all that investment bonanza. However, you must understand that when you keep building resorts and luxurious hotels, they don't put money as much as they could have done if it was real factories that would give regular jobs to people. In fact, how many people those resorts have employed? Certainly not enough to make a difference in the pocket of the rest of the masses. As far as the tourists are concerned, it is the truth that they will spend money in the country, but that money won't go into the masses pocket. It is factories that give jobs to people and not hotels and sex clubs my friends, and until your politicians and mine understand that fact, the people will still expatriate to seek opportunity somewhere else. And don't blame those brave women if they are using the oldest profession in the world. I met my beautiful Carmen in a cafe.
Written by: oupala07 , 26 Nov 2009 4:54 PM
From: Canada
And she was the most beautiful black Dominican woman I've ever met. It was ages ago, and I should have maybe listened and gone back with her to San Pedro de Marcoris, but I am not sure I wouldn't have been beheaded by then due to how you view us in your country. One thing is sure, she and I would have surely gone down fighting, because, prostitute or not, I was her hombre and she was my senora. Comprende amigo?
Written by: Grullone, 26 Nov 2009 5:29 PM
From: United States
What a surprise we have a haitian who can express himself.
Written by: oupala07 , 26 Nov 2009 8:18 PM
From: Canada
NUMBER ONE:
The Haitian middle classer is one of the most educated in the world Grullone, and that makes him very arrogant. I won't advise you to face one of them in a debate, you'd stay speechless if you are not up to it amigo.
You have a lot to learn from history, believe me. In fact, if you need real intellectual in the americas, there is no other place else to find them than in Haiti. Mark my words somewhere, and keep them in a safe place where your great grand children will read them one day: "We Haitians, will rule the Americas one day the same way the United states are doing it now."
Written by: oupala07 , 26 Nov 2009 8:18 PM
From: Canada
NUMBER TWO:
In fact, it is our destiny, and you the Dominicans can keep turning your back on us like you are doing it now, or stop being stupid and show solidarity with us in order to defend this island and our respective sovereignty. Because, with the rate you've been colonized economically, I don't think, in a more or less distant future, you'd be able to swim in your own rivers without the Western Capitalists' permission. Meanwhile, we Haitians have a story of kicking economic sharks out of our country. It will take us maybe a few generations, but we will get back to our feet, and we will make somebody out of our ugly, smelly and illiterate masses of our peasants, and when that will happen, you tell me who will be able to stop us.
Written by: Micaela, 26 Nov 2009 10:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic
oupala07, "We Haitians, will rule the Americas one day the same way the United states are doing it now." Yes I am sure some day, let's say in 10,009, when the rest of America had moved to out of space stations all over the universe, if you choose to stay, you would be America's ruler. Keep on dreaming about past and future glories and don't start working in the present, not to rule America, just to rule Haiti and provide the basic needs for your people.
Written by: oupala07 , 26 Nov 2009 10:54 PM
From: Canada
Micaela,
If you were more informed instead of being a little racist knuckleheader, you would know that the descendants of the tribes which are ruling the world now, were living in caves and in deep forests when the Romans and the Greeks were at the zenyth of their civilization.
In fact, no one would have ever guessed that the savage and primitive Angle and Saxon tribes would have managed to conquer an "empire over which the sun never set."
It took them two thousand years, but they did it after destroying the combined French and Spanish Invicible Armada at Trafalgar in 1805.
What about the Japanese? They spent most of their time watching, and on the look out for Chinese invasions. Haven't they managed to conquer most of South East Asia?
As far as we Haitians are concerned, you are very lucky that the French have managed to get rid of Toussaint Louverture, because if he had survived our independence war, you'd be a French and Creole speaking little knucklehead by now.
Written by: oupala07 , 26 Nov 2009 11:03 PM
From: Canada
Do you know that his plan was to have the maroon army hoping from island to island in order to liberate the slaves colonies? Why do you think he marched on Santo Domingo and conquered it in the name of the French revolutionary government?
You might be right by the fact it would maybe take us thousands of years to rule the Americas, but eventually we will, because there is no other nation in the Carribean that has more peaceful colonies than us thoughout the Americas. We can even start with you the Dominicans. How many Haitians genuine or mixed blood do you think live on your soil? Do the maths and you'll understand my point.
When we Haitians were the strongest fighting force in the area, and we were allied to Great Britain, America was trembling in its panty, because it was the Brits goal to use us in order to conquer back its rebellious colony. And that's what we're paying for now, in case your little non informed brain doesn't know that.
Written by: oupala07 , 26 Nov 2009 11:10 PM
From: Canada
If the Haitian mulattoes, under the Boyer government, were not a bunch of racist and greedy bastards, they would have kept Toussaint Louverture dream alive, and instead of plundering and pillaging your country, they would have built it and made sure that the two people live in symbiosis. But they were more interested on stealing and using bigotry and prejudice against you. And today, who do you charge for their mischief? Us the Haitians negroes.
Don't you worry, we will find another Toussaint Louverture one way or the other, and when that time will come, even if it will be in ten thousand years as you so idiotly suggested, we will rise and take our dutyful and well deserve place on this continent.
From: Botswana, Seatin here in Gaborone having a drink with Ms Pussy Galore
@ Micaela
Do you care to comment on the article at hand?
Would you have rather DT did not print it at all.
Written by: Micaela, 27 Nov 2009 12:04 AM
From: Dominican Republic
The same way that the Haitian mulattoes, racist and greedy, plundering and pillaging of our country, did not prevent us to get where we are, your past glory don't put food on Haitians table today. My advise once again is stop dreaming of past and future glories and start working for Haiti today.
Written by: Micaela, 27 Nov 2009 12:04 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Oupala but I agree with you, Haitians, like the Angle and Saxon tribes can conquer, no the Americas, but the whole world. It took them two thousand years, to conquer a more primitive world. Given the progress made by the Haitians so far, I calculate that would take you only 8 thousand years.
Yes, Toussaint, as a good Haitian, had a great plan, show me results. Nobody knows exactly how many Haitians genuine or mixed blood live on DR, what everybody knows is that they do no care to return to Haiti or for Haitians great future plans, because they are too busy working, eating and getting health care. Haitians once was strongest fighting force in the area, where did that take you?
Written by: Micaela, 27 Nov 2009 12:12 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Hi PatDiamond! thank your for your interest in my comment. Why would I have rather DT no print it at all? It would be foolish to pretend to keep secret that thousands of Dominican prostitute abroad? Now commenting the article, I only hope, for their sake, that their customers really are mostly the Haitian elite. They would be mostly HIV free, they would be careful and use protection. The ones working with other 'customer'? God have mercy of them. Anyway, those should be the lesser amount, because if Haitians don't have money for food, I don't image their could paid prostitute services.
Written by: oupala07 , 27 Nov 2009 6:42 AM
From: Canada
Micalela,
My girl friend Carmen was a beautiful and literate Dominican peasant woman, and I think she had more brain power than you, and was more aware of the two countries economic and politcal situation.
When someone is not informed and educated like you are, you shouldn't try to get into smart and educated people' conversation.
Who knows? With what is coming down economically upon the World, and by ricochet upon your country, I predict that, in a not so distant future, I'll see you in the vicinity of our "Champ de Mars" competing hard with our sex workers, and the ones who are earning their lives all over the place in Port-au-Prince and its vicinities.
I don't think I'll waste my time anymore answering idiotic comments from a big toe and pea soup brain like you. I think there are much many more clever Dominicans women that are worthy of my time. You better go recycle your scrapped and deranged brain and take care of your little garden and farm animals.
Written by: dolo1, 27 Nov 2009 4:20 PM
From: United States
"I don't think Haitian women cross the border primarily to work as prostitutes."
Yes some do.
Written by: Lautaro, 27 Nov 2009 7:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
DERECHOS HUMANOS
Feministas de Santiago denuncian trata de haitianas para prostituirlas en el país
La Coordinadora de Mujeres del Cibao indicó que las inmigrantes son reclutadas en la frontera
EFE/Clave Digital
viernes, 27 de noviembre de 2009, 10:52 a.m.
SANTIAGO, República Dominicana.- La Coordinadora de Mujeres del Cibao expresó su preocupación por el tráfico de haitianas a territorio dominicano y de dominicanas hacia Europa y otros países donde son explotadas sexualmente por las redes que se encargan de reclutarlas.
Mientras redes mafiosas que operan en la frontera dominico-haitiana reclutan y trafican a haitianas para prostituirlas en la República Dominicana, muchas mujeres de este país también son víctimas de esas bandas, que las trasladan a Europa para los mismos fines, dijo la portavoz de la Coordinadora de Mujeres del Cibao, Raquel Rivera, con sede en Santiago. (cont..)
Written by: Lautaro, 27 Nov 2009 7:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
No obstante, añadió que la trata de personas, principalmente de mujeres para inducirlas a la prostitución, no es nada nuevo en América Latina y el Caribe y que República Dominicana y Haití no escapan de esa problemática.
Según Rivera, el tráfico de haitianas hacia República Dominicana para ejercer la prostitución y de dominicanas hasta otros países, como España, Italia, Grecia, Alemania y otros de Europa, es parte de la discriminación, la violencia y la falta de oportunidades que sufren esas personas.
La activista sostuvo que todo el que emigra de su país lo hace tratando de buscar mejores condiciones de vida, ya que las autoridades de sus naciones no les han dado la oportunidad de vivir dignamente.
En su opinión, la trata de mujeres es un nuevo indicativo de la violencia que afecta a ese segmento en América Latina y otras partes del mundo.
source:
http://www.clavedigital.com/App_P....s/Noticias.aspx?id_Articulo=26631Written by: Lautaro, 27 Nov 2009 7:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
In other words, NO COUNTRY have the high ground on this prostitution issue, so those of you who has put yourselves on a high horse by pointing fingers only at the dominican women's direction, please, get your two feet on the ground, or if you doubt the veracity of the article above, just come here to the DR (specifically to Cabarete, Santiago and Sosúa) and you'll ascertain with your own eyes that those cities are shock full of haitian women prostituting themselves. It's a deeper and more complex issue than just morals.
Written by: Micaela, 28 Nov 2009 12:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Oupala I am very sorry my intellectual level is not up to smart and educated people who affirm things like: "We Haitians, will rule the Americas one day the same way the United states are doing it now." While seeing what is coming down economically upon the World, and by ricochet upon your country, the poorest of America and one the poorest of the world. How come all the others will fail, while yours would prosper? Good thing I, even with pea soup brain, can spend my time taking care of my little garden and farm animals, while more smart women spend their time sun baking mud cookies and making more babies that they can support, to sell them in the children slave system now in place in the future ruler of the Americas, while their smartest men dreaming about past and greater future glories, without working for that future in the present.
Written by: oupala07 , 28 Nov 2009 1:11 PM
From: Canada
Micaela,
Haven't you heard what I told you? You are not worthy of my time. There is nothing positive I can draw from a conversation with you. There are other smart Dominican women that are much more worthy of that of course. Therefore, keep plowing your little corner of garden, because with the lack of food looming on the World's head, you'll need all your farming skill to survive in order not to cross the border and coming to flock the army of prostitutes we've been seeing in our cities.
And it is a pity that my friend Lautaro doesn't understand the difference between expatriating voluntarily and be coerced to do it. For what he seems not to admit is that the Dominican women, for the most part, do leave their country voluntarily with sex work in mind, while our Haitian women will do the same either by being bribed and lurred or by the situation on the spot upon arrival. I will tell him again that there is a great difference between personal choice and being forced to choose.
Written by: Micaela, 28 Nov 2009 4:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
With the lack of food looming on the world and with the lack of food already in Haiti, plus what is coming, you be sure I am not going to Haiti. In the near future you may, as with dirt cookies, resort to the old customs of cannibalism, and eat each other and would do the same to the fools that cross your border.
You are right, Dominican women may leave DR voluntarily with sex work in mind, while your Haitian women will do the same bribed and lured by the sole idea of food; money may come later, the most pressing payment may be only a plate of food. And yes there is a great difference between a personal choice and being forced to choose between prostitution or starvation.
Written by: oupala07 , 28 Nov 2009 5:12 PM
From: Canada
Micaela,
Are you suffering from the "beaten woman syndrom?" If I was you, I'd show some pride by ignoring a man who told me black on white that he won't have any further conversation with me. Where all that Latino pride of yours has gone? I don't talk to little people who think they can use bigotry agains mine, get it? Go get a life girl. As I told you, there are a lot more reasonable Dominican folks I share some common value with, and you are not one of them. If you want to penetrate my perimeter, change your stance toward us Haitians, because we are not all smelly, sun burnt and illiterate peasants. Can't you pay yourself a trip to one of your Universities and found out by yourselves what we are worthy of? I strongly believe that would have wowed your litlle pea soup brain.
Written by: antonioj, 28 Nov 2009 5:37 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Oupala07, there was a time you used to post some very solid argument however lately your recent posting are not up to par. Did someone hijack your name ? if you want to be taken seriously, should you not at least acknowledge the obvious in your responses, dont you think ? further beating around the bush with some fairy tales prediction will simply not cut it.
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Nov 2009 5:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
My problem with your assessments, oupala, is that you have the nasty tendency of generalizing. Just like not all the haitians that migrate from their country belongs to the peasant sector ( as your case and the one of Pat Diamond and antonioj clearly show), not all the emigrating dominican women are doing so to prostitute themselves, nor the dominican men migrate to become drug lords and/or lethal enforcers. These are my two cents on this issue. Now if you want to keep pointing fingers, please don't stop on my account.
Written by: antonioj, 28 Nov 2009 5:53 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Thank you Professor Lautaro for your input above up the point as usual, I noticed you are posting very seldomly and so are Dread,Generoso, Dev11, Hatero,... any reasons ?? also the ability to create new topic for discussion is missing on DT menu, did some contact them ? what is the reason behind it.?
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Nov 2009 5:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
We are just taking a sabbatical from DT, mon ami antonio. Who knows, maybe one of these days we might come back in full force.
Written by: antonioj, 28 Nov 2009 6:07 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Well I can say without you guys the place is very dull, heck Ciby is gone too, we are left with tupapa man handling the thread title "racism among dominicans" which frankly I do not bother to read, and the usual one liner food fights on Haitian related subject between josean and the crews.
Written by: oupala07 , 28 Nov 2009 6:08 PM
From: Canada
No my friend Antonioj,
It is still me, but I am sick and tired to hear people using my country and people names in an insultng fashion. There is nothing I like to do more than to respect you the Dominicans for what you have accomplished even though, like my friend Lautaro has just mentionned, generally speaking you get on my nerves for your lack of respect. If you respect someone, you can't keep trashing him/her when he/she is in dire strait and right now, we haitians are in deep shit economically and socially. How the Hell do you think the Cubans or the Porto Ricans would have reacted if they were Haitians and keep throwing trash at them the same way?
No, when I am talking to descent people, I am a perfect genlleman and you know it. It's when my country is verbally assaulted that it makes me see red. You won't find many Haitians who will defend you on a Haitian web site, I am one of them. So let's learn to keep our tongue in leash, it will be excellent for good relationship.
Written by: antonioj, 28 Nov 2009 6:26 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Oupala glad you are taking my observation under advisement, bottom line you should try to avoid taking these attacks personally because your objectivity andyour unbiased opinion end up suffering.
Written by: josean, 28 Nov 2009 7:22 PM
From: United States
"one liner food fights on Haitian related subject between josean and the crews"
Then why don't you enlighten us with your brilliant prose?
Written by: antonioj, 28 Nov 2009 7:34 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Josean, I did not mean to undermine your contribution, if you take in context the posts, there are no serious analysis or unbiased opinion, everyone position is well known in advanced with very little room to agree on anything.
Written by: josean, 28 Nov 2009 7:41 PM
From: United States
My interpretation of posting here is to be short and to the point. If people want to write the "Great American' novel or in this case Dominican, I think that is what the forum is intended for.
Written by: Micaela, 28 Nov 2009 7:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
And of what are you suffering, of the usual incoherent blabbing of someone that has nothing intelligent to talk, but about his grandeur dreams? If you don't want to have any further conversation with me, why are you answering me? I won't ask you where your pride has gone, everybody in DR already knows. Why do you have to advertise so often how smelly, sun burnt and illiterate is your people? We already know, as we well know too how are your educated Haitians and how much they despise and discriminate the peasants.
You are a perfect gentleman, but not very bright, because when you country is verbally assaulted, all that occurs to you is speak about past glories and even greater future, without even offer a pilgrim idea of how that would be accomplished. But if that is your best way to defend if, be my guest.
Written by: antonioj, 28 Nov 2009 8:15 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: josean, 28 Nov 2009 7:41 PM
From: United States
My interpretation of posting here is to be short and to the point. I people want to write the "Great American' novelor this case Dominican, I think that is what the forum is intended for.
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¡Pero ahora párese que es Pa' Haití Que Vamos!
Ay! LIE-onelito Fernandez what a mess you have made of things in METROLANDIA!
This "human trafficking" - DR and Hait -is bullshit. People go where the jobs, opportunity, and money are. If you have been to any of the tourist and or prostitution areas in the DR you will see very quickly so no one is being "forced" to prostitute. If anything it the tourists who are being suckered. Paying a Dominican woman big money for something that she does with her novio for free.
Some do it because its easy money to them (easier than selling jugo or cell phone cards etc.),
some because they dont have any other skills and dont care to develop any other, others because they ...gasp....enjoy the relative independence and freedom of it. Other because they may have emotional pyschogical issues -
Almost none are "forced" - by threat of harm by another to prostitute. Not in the DR. Lies.
If prostitution is on the rise across Hispaniola it is because wages are low, decent
Its called METROLANDIA!
care to comment?
thank u for your statment which is very true......know one is forcing them.... most or lets say many of them are doing it 4 their husbands or boyfriends.....
how can one STUPID GIRL believe her boyfriend or husband REALLY LOVES HER if they send them out 4 sex 4 dollars?
WHY SHOULD THEY CARE?.. their in the business of making money
WHAT is really true is that the BIG BOYS IN THE DOMINICAN GOVERNMENT ARE "MAKING THE MONEY FROM THE INVESTORS"..... and puting it in their Own pockets...
SO DONT BLAME THE INVESTORS..... put the blame on the right people.where it belongs and STOP BLAMING THE WHOLE WORLD WHEN THE PROBLEM SITS IN YOUR OWN BACK YARD....
in truth im sure the cia sleeps well at night when it comes to the dr..... and does not give a damm about the dr.
maybe this will also get more riders on the metro.. what u think.?...
have to run now my train is coming into the station.... be nice to see some ladies of the night on board...lol
Do you remember the infamous Donkey Show these Dominican Chicas used to perform @ Biblosse Night Club.
an on board drink bar would help
very sad, women need protection anywhere , Josean be smart enough not to turn this into an Haitian- Dominican food fight, like some of you have already attempted to.
50,000 of our prostitutes have decided to do business abroad; we still have another 200,000 in house that we need to pay attention to.
Women are always cast as the innocent powerless victims and men as the evil oppressors. Typical feminazi garbage. They cant fathom the idea that a woman - on her own accord - after assessing her life, skill, opportunties etc, would decide to be a prostitute. There always has to be someone "exploiting" her.
If you really want to "help", then provide viable job opotunties so that the choice to be a prostitute will be a harder one. Of course, what vexes many people is that even after having many opportunties, many women choose to be prostitutes. Look at the USA. - the most affluent country in the world with unlimited opportunutiy (relative to the rest of the world) - and women still chose to prostitute. - for many, it beats getting a day job.
From: United States, Chicago
Is there so much cuero competition in DR that they have to go to Haiti??? Or is it just the ugly ones?"
WHAT DO U MEAN "THE UGLY ONES" how do u define an ugly woman? what part of DR are from? you sound so uneducated...and i bet u've never hace a fine as# woman in your line. when enlighted mind are discussing important issues, shut the f^^% up, if you don't have positive to say. go at the fucking gaz station to wait for your next job. you piece of Sh**^
Now people would respect DomincanToday more that they used too.
These Dominican women are being SOLD into prostitution. It sounds to me as if this is not a voluntary thing, and that makes this a criminal matter.
It has nothing to do with being attractive or not.
You don't like to hear things that sting you hein? However, when it is open season on my country and people you let everything pass. Well! That won't change the fact that what I said is real and verifiable. Learn to have the gut to receive a punch without shaking, the same way we Haitians have been doing for more than two centuries.
Many prostitutes do have a sense of shame and do not want to ruin their reputations at home so they travel to another area to work. Haitianas to DR - Dominicanas to Haiti. This has been happening for a long time.
Do not try to mix apples and oranges here my friend. Your women love sex and they enjoy make it for money, therefore, have the courage to admit it. I am pretty sure that if haitian women were as numerous in your country sex business as you might tend to falsely believe it, it is quite certain you the latinos would have already been quick to make it a subject of insult for all of us haitians.
We are much more morality prone than you are folks. Before throwing mud at us, you must first stop screwing your under age kids, and morally clean your society.
You've just add what I have left you to guess. It is, in fact indeed, the government that has to make sure that the people profit from all that investment bonanza. However, you must understand that when you keep building resorts and luxurious hotels, they don't put money as much as they could have done if it was real factories that would give regular jobs to people. In fact, how many people those resorts have employed? Certainly not enough to make a difference in the pocket of the rest of the masses. As far as the tourists are concerned, it is the truth that they will spend money in the country, but that money won't go into the masses pocket. It is factories that give jobs to people and not hotels and sex clubs my friends, and until your politicians and mine understand that fact, the people will still expatriate to seek opportunity somewhere else. And don't blame those brave women if they are using the oldest profession in the world. I met my beautiful Carmen in a cafe.
The Haitian middle classer is one of the most educated in the world Grullone, and that makes him very arrogant. I won't advise you to face one of them in a debate, you'd stay speechless if you are not up to it amigo.
You have a lot to learn from history, believe me. In fact, if you need real intellectual in the americas, there is no other place else to find them than in Haiti. Mark my words somewhere, and keep them in a safe place where your great grand children will read them one day: "We Haitians, will rule the Americas one day the same way the United states are doing it now."
In fact, it is our destiny, and you the Dominicans can keep turning your back on us like you are doing it now, or stop being stupid and show solidarity with us in order to defend this island and our respective sovereignty. Because, with the rate you've been colonized economically, I don't think, in a more or less distant future, you'd be able to swim in your own rivers without the Western Capitalists' permission. Meanwhile, we Haitians have a story of kicking economic sharks out of our country. It will take us maybe a few generations, but we will get back to our feet, and we will make somebody out of our ugly, smelly and illiterate masses of our peasants, and when that will happen, you tell me who will be able to stop us.
If you were more informed instead of being a little racist knuckleheader, you would know that the descendants of the tribes which are ruling the world now, were living in caves and in deep forests when the Romans and the Greeks were at the zenyth of their civilization.
In fact, no one would have ever guessed that the savage and primitive Angle and Saxon tribes would have managed to conquer an "empire over which the sun never set."
It took them two thousand years, but they did it after destroying the combined French and Spanish Invicible Armada at Trafalgar in 1805.
What about the Japanese? They spent most of their time watching, and on the look out for Chinese invasions. Haven't they managed to conquer most of South East Asia?
As far as we Haitians are concerned, you are very lucky that the French have managed to get rid of Toussaint Louverture, because if he had survived our independence war, you'd be a French and Creole speaking little knucklehead by now.
You might be right by the fact it would maybe take us thousands of years to rule the Americas, but eventually we will, because there is no other nation in the Carribean that has more peaceful colonies than us thoughout the Americas. We can even start with you the Dominicans. How many Haitians genuine or mixed blood do you think live on your soil? Do the maths and you'll understand my point.
When we Haitians were the strongest fighting force in the area, and we were allied to Great Britain, America was trembling in its panty, because it was the Brits goal to use us in order to conquer back its rebellious colony. And that's what we're paying for now, in case your little non informed brain doesn't know that.
Don't you worry, we will find another Toussaint Louverture one way or the other, and when that time will come, even if it will be in ten thousand years as you so idiotly suggested, we will rise and take our dutyful and well deserve place on this continent.
@ Micaela
Do you care to comment on the article at hand?
Would you have rather DT did not print it at all.
Yes, Toussaint, as a good Haitian, had a great plan, show me results. Nobody knows exactly how many Haitians genuine or mixed blood live on DR, what everybody knows is that they do no care to return to Haiti or for Haitians great future plans, because they are too busy working, eating and getting health care. Haitians once was strongest fighting force in the area, where did that take you?
My girl friend Carmen was a beautiful and literate Dominican peasant woman, and I think she had more brain power than you, and was more aware of the two countries economic and politcal situation.
When someone is not informed and educated like you are, you shouldn't try to get into smart and educated people' conversation.
Who knows? With what is coming down economically upon the World, and by ricochet upon your country, I predict that, in a not so distant future, I'll see you in the vicinity of our "Champ de Mars" competing hard with our sex workers, and the ones who are earning their lives all over the place in Port-au-Prince and its vicinities.
I don't think I'll waste my time anymore answering idiotic comments from a big toe and pea soup brain like you. I think there are much many more clever Dominicans women that are worthy of my time. You better go recycle your scrapped and deranged brain and take care of your little garden and farm animals.
"I don't think Haitian women cross the border primarily to work as prostitutes."
Yes some do.
Feministas de Santiago denuncian trata de haitianas para prostituirlas en el país
La Coordinadora de Mujeres del Cibao indicó que las inmigrantes son reclutadas en la frontera
EFE/Clave Digital
viernes, 27 de noviembre de 2009, 10:52 a.m.
SANTIAGO, República Dominicana.- La Coordinadora de Mujeres del Cibao expresó su preocupación por el tráfico de haitianas a territorio dominicano y de dominicanas hacia Europa y otros países donde son explotadas sexualmente por las redes que se encargan de reclutarlas.
Mientras redes mafiosas que operan en la frontera dominico-haitiana reclutan y trafican a haitianas para prostituirlas en la República Dominicana, muchas mujeres de este país también son víctimas de esas bandas, que las trasladan a Europa para los mismos fines, dijo la portavoz de la Coordinadora de Mujeres del Cibao, Raquel Rivera, con sede en Santiago. (cont..)
Según Rivera, el tráfico de haitianas hacia República Dominicana para ejercer la prostitución y de dominicanas hasta otros países, como España, Italia, Grecia, Alemania y otros de Europa, es parte de la discriminación, la violencia y la falta de oportunidades que sufren esas personas.
La activista sostuvo que todo el que emigra de su país lo hace tratando de buscar mejores condiciones de vida, ya que las autoridades de sus naciones no les han dado la oportunidad de vivir dignamente.
En su opinión, la trata de mujeres es un nuevo indicativo de la violencia que afecta a ese segmento en América Latina y otras partes del mundo.
source: http://www.clavedigital.com/App_P....s/Noticias.aspx?id_Articulo=26631
Haven't you heard what I told you? You are not worthy of my time. There is nothing positive I can draw from a conversation with you. There are other smart Dominican women that are much more worthy of that of course. Therefore, keep plowing your little corner of garden, because with the lack of food looming on the World's head, you'll need all your farming skill to survive in order not to cross the border and coming to flock the army of prostitutes we've been seeing in our cities.
And it is a pity that my friend Lautaro doesn't understand the difference between expatriating voluntarily and be coerced to do it. For what he seems not to admit is that the Dominican women, for the most part, do leave their country voluntarily with sex work in mind, while our Haitian women will do the same either by being bribed and lurred or by the situation on the spot upon arrival. I will tell him again that there is a great difference between personal choice and being forced to choose.
You are right, Dominican women may leave DR voluntarily with sex work in mind, while your Haitian women will do the same bribed and lured by the sole idea of food; money may come later, the most pressing payment may be only a plate of food. And yes there is a great difference between a personal choice and being forced to choose between prostitution or starvation.
Are you suffering from the "beaten woman syndrom?" If I was you, I'd show some pride by ignoring a man who told me black on white that he won't have any further conversation with me. Where all that Latino pride of yours has gone? I don't talk to little people who think they can use bigotry agains mine, get it? Go get a life girl. As I told you, there are a lot more reasonable Dominican folks I share some common value with, and you are not one of them. If you want to penetrate my perimeter, change your stance toward us Haitians, because we are not all smelly, sun burnt and illiterate peasants. Can't you pay yourself a trip to one of your Universities and found out by yourselves what we are worthy of? I strongly believe that would have wowed your litlle pea soup brain.
It is still me, but I am sick and tired to hear people using my country and people names in an insultng fashion. There is nothing I like to do more than to respect you the Dominicans for what you have accomplished even though, like my friend Lautaro has just mentionned, generally speaking you get on my nerves for your lack of respect. If you respect someone, you can't keep trashing him/her when he/she is in dire strait and right now, we haitians are in deep shit economically and socially. How the Hell do you think the Cubans or the Porto Ricans would have reacted if they were Haitians and keep throwing trash at them the same way?
No, when I am talking to descent people, I am a perfect genlleman and you know it. It's when my country is verbally assaulted that it makes me see red. You won't find many Haitians who will defend you on a Haitian web site, I am one of them. So let's learn to keep our tongue in leash, it will be excellent for good relationship.
Then why don't you enlighten us with your brilliant prose?
You are a perfect gentleman, but not very bright, because when you country is verbally assaulted, all that occurs to you is speak about past glories and even greater future, without even offer a pilgrim idea of how that would be accomplished. But if that is your best way to defend if, be my guest.
From: United States
My interpretation of posting here is to be short and to the point. I people want to write the "Great American' novelor this case Dominican, I think that is what the forum is intended for.
"
Granted, what ever happened to the forum ???the ability to create new topics have been quietly removed, without explanation.