EXCLUSIVE FOR DOMINICAN TODAY
SANTO DOMINGO.- Dominican Republic’s second biggest sugar producer is the target of sustained attacks from quarters as far as Ethiopia and as close as Miami, as a Catholic priest in the former and the Haitian community in the latter say the 150 year old consortium mistreats its around 11,000 strong non-Dominican work force.
The Grupo Vicini plans to boost sugar production to as high as 90,000 tons this year and take advantage of rising prices in world markets, said its president Felipe Vicini recent interview. It’s a sweet harvest expected to counter the damaging effects of recent documentaries of similar names.
Although Corporate Communications director Eduardo Valcarcel agreed to an interview, he made it clear at once that current litigation in Washington DC keeps him from commenting on the recent uproar caused by an alleged campaign by catholic priest Christopher Hartley, currently in Ethiopia, against Dominican Republic and specifically against that company.
He then asked Institutional Relations director Fernando Ferran to take part in the interview given his knowledge of the relations with the various entities which deal with situation with Haitian immigrants.
Varcarcel affirms that the Vicini group of companies is looking to remain at the forefront in corporate responsibility of the country, in the dawn of its fourth generation since founded. “We are constantly looking for ways to modernize.”
Vicini’s array of interests range from cash to fruit, with the Progreso bank, a steel mill and the stalwart sugar and the export of pineapples and mangos. “Right now we are the country’s biggest mango and pineapple exporter.” He also mentioned the Parmalat milk company, real estate properties in Guayacanes, and the Don Juan hotel in Boca Chica (east), the Fiat auto dealership, the Sans Souci Port development project and a growing beef operation.
But back to the nagging problem; Vicini’s relation with its workers of Haitian origin, and why they are targeted by even Amnesty International, and by the producer Bill Haynes in the award winning documentary ‘The Price of Sugar’. “You have to look at it as the Cuban Independence leader José Marti said it: “The sun also has dark spots, if you so desire to gaze at them,” Ferran notes.
But a bright spot is Vicini’s production from the around 22,000 tareas (almost 1,400 hectares) planted with sugarcane from San Cristobal in the west to San Pedro in the east, where its facilities mill it to make sugar, the stuff controversy is made off.
Ferrand said the conflict has historical as well social roots and cited the massacre of Haitians ordered by the dictator Rafael Trujillo in 1937, when, risking their own lives “many Dominicans hid Haitians to keep them alive, such as the well known case of Jose Francisco Peña Gomez,” in reference to the late leader and president of the opposition PRD party.
Played out as a ‘good cop bad cop’ routine, Varcarcel tempers Ferran’s analysis with more positive aspects of the group founded by the Italian Juan Bautista Vicini who came to the country in 1859. “We are reforesting the Nizao river in San Cristobal…we have the initiative Inicia to eliminate illiteracy amongst our workers…we have perhaps the most modern public school in the country.”
But Ferran again brings the controversy to the fore by noting that “no other country extends its solidarity to the Haitians as much as ours,” as evidenced by the thousands of nationals from that country who work for “La Casa” Vicini.
From: United States, Faber College Double Secret Probation
It is about time the other side of the story is told .I have been aware of this lopsided propaganda for some time . This issue is used by people who have ulterior motives and look for large targets . The philanthropic work being done presently by this family deserves recognition
Written by: BASTA, 3 Nov 2009 4:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic, = Ghetto-SPM-Barrio Blanco
Hitler/Stalin did some good also
Written by: Belly, 3 Nov 2009 5:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Francisco and Houston,Texas
The question i ask my self is what will the NGOs do when every Haitian in the sugar cane lose their job and little education they are getting if this sugar cane owners just decide to industrialise the product and away with manual labor. The million dollar question Does The Haitian Gov. and the NGOs have a plan B. I'm sure this is one of becareful what you wish for because you may just get it all.
From: United States
Very good point Belly, no one is going to complain that you are unfairly treating machines. Hatians should be happy that they are even allowed to work in these plantations when there is very little jobs in Haiti and even in the D.R. It is widely known that Dominicans do not like doing these duties, but in a bad global economy im sure that even some Americans would consider working in these plantations. some monies are better then no money.
Written by: xwill7, 3 Nov 2009 6:08 PM
From: United States, Chicago
basta,
are there any good places to eat in Ghetto-SPM-Barrio Blanco???
From: Dominican Republic, Dando pela en las 5 esquinas
“no other country extends its solidarity to the Haitians as much as ours,” as evidenced by the thousands of nationals from that country who work for “La Casa” Vicini.
NUFF SAID
What he didn't say to avoid controversy is that this poeple from the west have the unique behavioral trend of biting the hand that feed them.
mechanized the sugar industry and get rid of this ungrateful people
From: Botswana, Seatin here in Gaborone having a drink with Ms Pussy Galore
As they said in America you guys want to have your cake and eat it too.On one hand you guys complain about the invasion of cheap labor source coming from Haiti because you feel they are a drain on your country, but when the light is shine on the condition of these ilegal imigrants on your country and how their are being exploited,you feel like they should be gratefull to have a job and wonder outloud what would happen to them if those jobs became mechanized and no longer avial. My question is is there really any convictions in your argument or you just will pick what ever side make you feel superior to your neighbor to the west?
Written by: Belly, 3 Nov 2009 9:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Francisco and Houston,Texas
PatDiamond
Do you think these Haitian would be doing better in Haiti than they are doing in DR?
Please answer yes or not.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Patdiamond:
Haitian? OF COURSE YOU ARE !
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Written by: Micaela, 3 Nov 2009 11:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
PatDiamon maybe we can eat the cake. Did you read the numbers? the largest factory employs 11,000. If there are some 2 millions Haitians laboring in DR, it is no difficult to see that the invasion of cheap labor source coming from Haiti doesn't work in sugar fields. Maybe the Haitians should not be grateful to have a job, food, limited if you wish, but health care, education, basic services, but why don't people talk to Haitians in DR and listen from their own mouths how they feel in DR compared to their situation in Haiti, specially the ones that don't work or the ones self employed, that do not pay a penny in taxed, but send their kids to school and go to our hospital, use our services?
From: United States
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8046348031279865399&ei=...Big Sugar explores the dark history and modern power of the world's reigning sugar cartels. Using dramatic reenactments, it reveals how sugar was at the heart of slavery in the West Indies in the 18th century, while showing how present-day consumers are slaves to a sugar-based diet. Going undercover, Big Sugar witnesses the appalling working conditions on plantations in the Dominican Republic, where Haitian cane cutters live like slaves. Workers who live on Central Romano, a Fanjul-owned plantation, go hungry while working 12-hour days to earn $2 (US). Part 2 is at
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=813944980643186872 From: United States
Above are links to a Documentary about the sugar industry.....
Please take note the actions used in Colonial times in the West Indies.......
Please take note of POOR old Fanjul brothers they own Central Romana. They lost there family plantation to the Cuban Revolution...
From: United States
I think the whole situation has to do with the sugar industry and other agribusiness where more educated dominicans would not work under certain conditions and less desired wages. We of course should take into consideration that these people are not in the DR yesterday and with their condition under immigration rules as such when they produce children here politicians create another wave of racial problem without fixing the problem at its root. It's unthinkable to meet haitians in Dr living there since 1958 and they are not even legal residents . One has to ask a question. Compare with any other nationality they get residency within three to six months. It should not be an issue that some one does not like some because of the color of their skin or their origin but it's evil and criminal when states practice it it strips all natural rights from a living person even the neighbor's dog isbetter regarded
Written by: Belly, 4 Nov 2009 12:05 AM
From: Dominican Republic, San Francisco and Houston,Texas
PatDiamon
I asked you a simple question you are starting to sound like a politician dancing around the simple questions. Here it goes again and please answer YES OR NOT.
Do you think these Haitian would be doing better in Haiti than they are doing in DR?
YES OR NOT NOTHING ELSE PLEASE.
Written by: josean, 4 Nov 2009 12:17 AM
From: United States
Why don't they hire 11,000 Dominicans and be done with the Haitian "problem?” This way THEY will stop “picking” on them.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
PepeLopez:
Show me this "Haitian" cinderella story that Trujillo was 0.01 Haitian !
Written by: Atabey, 4 Nov 2009 1:50 AM
From: United States
The neo-liberal model loves cheap labor, and Haitians are the cheapest labor in the Caribbean. The economic elites in DR and Haiti exploit this large labor force. The "solution" is for the DR and Haitian government is to finally establish a DR/Haiti Workers Permit that allows Haitians and Dominicans to work across the borders subject to each nation's determination of numbers needed. All the economic sectors would set-up numbers and have short-term adjustment periods. The workers would have to go back to their nations after the harvest or contact ended, and in doing so would bring back much needed economic resources. Of course, people who abuse the system by say overstaying would be deported, and perhaps not be allowed to reenter the nation. By establishing a normalized system of entry and exist, both DR and Haiti would help each resolve some of their most pressing issues. Not a perfect system, but then would anything ever get done if perfection were a prerequisite?
From: Botswana, Seatin here in Gaborone having a drink with Ms Pussy Galore
@JRR
judging by your postings you seem very dunce,but if you choose to educate your self a bit about your idol Mr trujillo and the relationship between DR and Haiti there is a great book you can pick up it's call Why do the cocks fight you should find it on Amazon. As a matter of fact you might fight it shocking to find out Trujillo used to apply pancake flour as make up to hide any trace of his grand mothers blackness in him. She was Haitian look it up. But Im not sure if your reading comprehension level is high enough to read a serious book,as I said before you seemed to be a very dunce and glib young man. Yes you may came from a third world country but you are living in American now so there is no reason to be ignorant last I check knowledge is free.
Written by: Atabey, 4 Nov 2009 2:08 AM
From: United States
Say Pat Diamond,
How would you solve the problem of migrant workers between DR and Haiti?
From: Botswana, Seatin here in Gaborone having a drink with Ms Pussy Galore
@Attabay
DR is a sovereign country and does not owed Haiti anything. If DR want to solve that issue it's very simple create a guess worker program for the amount of migrant workers that DR will need from Haiti each years. Come up with a comprehensive imigration policy regarding those Haitian that have been living in DR for a long period of time. Those that do not meet those criterias will be consider illigal will be deported and if return will be jail. Make it illegal to hire undocumented workers. But of course this will never happen because the reality is the relationship between the illegal cheap labor source and the DR economy is like the analogy of the Host and the parasite.
Written by: Belly, 4 Nov 2009 2:53 AM
From: Dominican Republic, San Francisco and Houston,Texas
PatDiamond
The policy that you have mentioned already exist as they can get all sort of different documents if they decide to come into the country legally. The major problem is that just like in their own country they don't want to follow any laws. Nuria's Show have reported cases where some have been deported 12 TIMES yes thats 12 times and the Haitian authority release them the same day at the border. So what's your take on that. See is hard to follow every law on the book when you dealing with somebody that is not willing to bahave like regular people do. So until the Haitian gov. starts taking care of their own people then cases are always going to happen. By the way Dominican Republic is not the only country in the caribbean having a Haitian problem because almost all others island are saying the same just do a search online. Bahamians, Jamaican and all others are noticing the problems they bring into their land.
From: Botswana, Seatin here in Gaborone having a drink with Ms Pussy Galore
Belly
You got me, my grand farther on my mom side was Haiti's Emissary to Argentina in the 50's I grew up around Politics. But seriously everytime someone address this issue in a comprehensive way you guys on this forum pull out the victim card, As you claim when your aurthorities find these people what do they do with them.I know you will not admitted but you and I both know if these people knows there is no job for them in DR and will be arrested on return they will not come. As I stated before the relationship between the DR economy and that cheap labor source is like the relationship in nature between the host and a parasite your business class knows this so is your political class which is why things are just left as is . Beside it help to stir the masses when need it.
From: United States, Faber College Double Secret Probation
comrade coco lopez figures that you would be promoting these two cheeseball propaganda films
From: United States, Faber College Double Secret Probation
comrade coco lopez and comrade josean love anything negative about the DR and watch these dumb movies continuously and are begging to appear in any sequels as cane cutters or beggars
Written by: generoso, 4 Nov 2009 9:51 AM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Blutarsky
josean works for the new Haitian "metro" project as consultant. It starts in Ounaminthe and crosses the DR border underground, to evade any border guards. There is a pre-feasibility study already in place.LOL.
From: United States, Faber College Double Secret Probation
this is a small joke .....Josean should ride the inaugural trip and then urinate on the third rail while holding coco lopez's hand ......the small joke being in his other hand
Written by: bienamor, 4 Nov 2009 10:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
No reason for the Haitian Metro, just pay the small propina to the border guardes!
As far as the deportations, that works as well here as it does in the USA with the Mexicans, and South Americans, The Next day they are back. Works a little better with Dominicans as they have to get another yola ride to PR. The idea of LARGE fines on hiring illegals would be good if enforced, got my doubts about that one here.
Think there are 30,000 Haitians waiting for deportation from the US back to Haiti. Haiti has no idea what to do with that many at once, won't accept them.
From: United States, Faber College Double Secret Probation
Think there are 30,000 Haitians waiting for deportation from the US back to Haiti. Haiti has no idea what to do with that many at once, won't accept them...................................What are the Haitians going to do send Rene Preval down to the pier and beat them back with a stick if Los Yanquis send them back?......they have no choice
Written by: Cacique, 4 Nov 2009 10:41 AM
From: Dominican Republic
WOw, i better go catch some jaibas at the river....
From: Dominican Republic, Dando pela en las 5 esquinas
Belly
you just highlighted the root of the problem and none of the cyber-haitians with identity problems can argue or have a rebuttal for your statement.
" So until the Haitian gov. starts taking care of their own people then cases are always going to happen "
I believe the "haitian government is a fairy tale, is never going to be one, thier future is on their own hands and they need to pull their own bootstraps, and by judging the statements made here by our own DT infiltrados their're more concern with debating racial descrimination and exploitation at the hands of the evil white dominican establishment than to work together to form some kind of leadership that will eventually pull haiti out of poverty.
Not until HAITIANS work to build a civil society without the help of the int'l community will they be able to stop the flow of disenfranchised people to DR.
but hey, why worry about your countryman and your country when you cruising down broadway in a G55.
From: Botswana, Seatin here in Gaborone having a drink with Ms Pussy Galore
Mr old school t
you seems to be a half bright fellow that is more than I can said in regard to the majority of your countrymen on this forum. Please take the psuedo nationalistic coal out of your Eyes when it comes to this issues. Forget Haiti problem the question to you Sir what is your Sovereign Governement doing about this issue if nothing why? Funny you want to talk slick about me being able to Drive a G55 back home damn right I do .If you have follow my posts before on this forum you would have knowing that my family was the third largest coffee exporter out of Haiti with over 200 employed, build road and hospital in the region where we came from. As a matter of fact one of Haiti's institution of higher learning bear my Family last name.
To the dunce who wonder how could Truijillo have black in Him because he was white,well my business partner is blond with green eyes but he is Haitian.
From: Dominican Republic, Dando pela en las 5 esquinas
" Forget Haiti problem the question to you Sir what is your Sovereign Governement doing about this issue if nothing why?"
one more time
the afro-lambon crew missed the point, see, on your own words you state: " forget the haitian problem" as if the haitian problem is now a dominican problem, always throwing the blame into others peoples lap, this is typical haitian frustrado attitude, bite, slander and betray the only people that have ever help you mitigate your pain.
You don't need a nationalistic view to see your poison, you and your crew fail miserably to understand that until you roll up your sleeves and start nation building you and your compadres are going 2 continued to be modern day slaves everywhere they go. It is a sad situation but true, and what makes it worst is your persistance in outlining your wealth and high education while 98% of the haitian population are illetarate and starving at a high rate.
do some work in haiti and them you get respect around here
From: Botswana, Seatin here in Gaborone having a drink with Ms Pussy Galore
Mr Old School I Agreed with Part of your last post. Yes we need to start our nation building process.The problem with your type is when it comes to the issue of Haitian illegal migration into to DR you never want to argue your point in a comprehensive way. You come off as another angry and disenfranchise Dominican,you have the right to be. however you are knocking on the wrong door last I check those illegal migrant are not the ones who are in charge of your government which is in cohoot with your powerfull business interest which like things they way they are. Please save your caring argument about Haiti internal issue you and I both know you could give a flying F,but sense it help to boaster your bias psuedo argument why not.
From: Dominican Republic, Dando pela en las 5 esquinas
you're right and you're wrong mr. cubic zirconia
You're right, i don't give a flying F*ck about haiti and haitian internal issues.
You wrong, I'm always open to debate the mass flow of hungry haitian citizens piling up in every corner of the dominican state, i know very well that we are not the best people to deal with and that YES there is exploitation and abuse been handed down to poor haitians in DR right now as i type, but in order to be " comprehensive " and negotiate an agreement you need two parties to do so, and unfortunatly you and me know very well that there is only one reliable partner in this relationship, your liders (if you can call them that) are a bunch of birds of prey, and they also don't give a flying F**ck about haiti internal issues.
You're also right , I'm very bias when it comes to my country, I call it patriotism, something you and your gang of frustration don't have, you should get some, it will help tremendously to build your country.
Written by: Micaela, 4 Nov 2009 11:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
PatDiamond I think I have asked this before. But can you please tell me where, what country has created a successful guess worker program for the amount of migrant workers that it needs each year? Where there is a comprehensive immigration policy regarding illegal aliens that have been living in the country for a long period of time that grant them legal status? Where all the illegal are deported and if they return jailed? But most of all, I need to know where in the world illegal aliens don't find jobs, where they don't go because they know they would not find it? I really, really need to know because Haitians and pro-Haitians, and some Dominican useful fool always make it sound that the relationship between the DR economy and that cheap labor source is unique, that we are unable to do what every other country, poor or rich, developed of no, do every day, like we are the only one employing cheap immigrant labor, unlike any other country.
From: Botswana, Seatin here in Gaborone having a drink with Ms Pussy Galore
Mr Old School Sir
we are in agreement a lot more than you think. When you put your emotions aside you do make some valid points. In this forum it seems like for you to be a true Dominican you have to be first and foremost anti Haitian, lack of reasoning and borderline ignorant and sometime your posted examplify those views.
Mecaela.
I will give you an A for effort,but no disrespect you seems to lack reading comprehension, Im not sure if this is because english was not your primary language in your higher education studies. So it's kind of hard for us to engaged on the issues at hand because you have a tendency to go off the tangent.
From: United States, San Diego, CA - (Dei sitio)
Micaela,
Botswana has created a good program to deal with its neighboring Zimbabwe...A sophisticated fence.
A recent clash at the Gaborone bus station has exposed the growing hostilities between two normally friendly southern African nations, Botswana and Zimbabwe. Witnesses report Botswanans (or Batswana) shouting "We want to kill the Zimbabweans" -- a xenophobic outburst among a usually polite, quiet people who have found themselves overwhelmed by the arrival of large numbers of Zimbabweans every day.
are there any good places to eat in Ghetto-SPM-Barrio Blanco???
NUFF SAID
What he didn't say to avoid controversy is that this poeple from the west have the unique behavioral trend of biting the hand that feed them.
mechanized the sugar industry and get rid of this ungrateful people
Do you think these Haitian would be doing better in Haiti than they are doing in DR?
Please answer yes or not.
Haitian? OF COURSE YOU ARE !
If the boss would it be alive all this HAITIAN crap wouldn't be happening !
For the HAITIAN community take a hike and long live the boss TRUJILLO !
Big Sugar explores the dark history and modern power of the world's reigning sugar cartels. Using dramatic reenactments, it reveals how sugar was at the heart of slavery in the West Indies in the 18th century, while showing how present-day consumers are slaves to a sugar-based diet. Going undercover, Big Sugar witnesses the appalling working conditions on plantations in the Dominican Republic, where Haitian cane cutters live like slaves. Workers who live on Central Romano, a Fanjul-owned plantation, go hungry while working 12-hour days to earn $2 (US). Part 2 is at
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=813944980643186872
Please take note the actions used in Colonial times in the West Indies.......
Please take note of POOR old Fanjul brothers they own Central Romana. They lost there family plantation to the Cuban Revolution...
I asked you a simple question you are starting to sound like a politician dancing around the simple questions. Here it goes again and please answer YES OR NOT.
Do you think these Haitian would be doing better in Haiti than they are doing in DR?
YES OR NOT NOTHING ELSE PLEASE.
Show me this "Haitian" cinderella story that Trujillo was 0.01 Haitian !
judging by your postings you seem very dunce,but if you choose to educate your self a bit about your idol Mr trujillo and the relationship between DR and Haiti there is a great book you can pick up it's call Why do the cocks fight you should find it on Amazon. As a matter of fact you might fight it shocking to find out Trujillo used to apply pancake flour as make up to hide any trace of his grand mothers blackness in him. She was Haitian look it up. But Im not sure if your reading comprehension level is high enough to read a serious book,as I said before you seemed to be a very dunce and glib young man. Yes you may came from a third world country but you are living in American now so there is no reason to be ignorant last I check knowledge is free.
How would you solve the problem of migrant workers between DR and Haiti?
DR is a sovereign country and does not owed Haiti anything. If DR want to solve that issue it's very simple create a guess worker program for the amount of migrant workers that DR will need from Haiti each years. Come up with a comprehensive imigration policy regarding those Haitian that have been living in DR for a long period of time. Those that do not meet those criterias will be consider illigal will be deported and if return will be jail. Make it illegal to hire undocumented workers. But of course this will never happen because the reality is the relationship between the illegal cheap labor source and the DR economy is like the analogy of the Host and the parasite.
The policy that you have mentioned already exist as they can get all sort of different documents if they decide to come into the country legally. The major problem is that just like in their own country they don't want to follow any laws. Nuria's Show have reported cases where some have been deported 12 TIMES yes thats 12 times and the Haitian authority release them the same day at the border. So what's your take on that. See is hard to follow every law on the book when you dealing with somebody that is not willing to bahave like regular people do. So until the Haitian gov. starts taking care of their own people then cases are always going to happen. By the way Dominican Republic is not the only country in the caribbean having a Haitian problem because almost all others island are saying the same just do a search online. Bahamians, Jamaican and all others are noticing the problems they bring into their land.
You got me, my grand farther on my mom side was Haiti's Emissary to Argentina in the 50's I grew up around Politics. But seriously everytime someone address this issue in a comprehensive way you guys on this forum pull out the victim card, As you claim when your aurthorities find these people what do they do with them.I know you will not admitted but you and I both know if these people knows there is no job for them in DR and will be arrested on return they will not come. As I stated before the relationship between the DR economy and that cheap labor source is like the relationship in nature between the host and a parasite your business class knows this so is your political class which is why things are just left as is . Beside it help to stir the masses when need it.
josean works for the new Haitian "metro" project as consultant. It starts in Ounaminthe and crosses the DR border underground, to evade any border guards. There is a pre-feasibility study already in place.LOL.
As far as the deportations, that works as well here as it does in the USA with the Mexicans, and South Americans, The Next day they are back. Works a little better with Dominicans as they have to get another yola ride to PR. The idea of LARGE fines on hiring illegals would be good if enforced, got my doubts about that one here.
Think there are 30,000 Haitians waiting for deportation from the US back to Haiti. Haiti has no idea what to do with that many at once, won't accept them.
Think there are 30,000 Haitians waiting for deportation from the US back to Haiti. Haiti has no idea what to do with that many at once, won't accept them...................................What are the Haitians going to do send Rene Preval down to the pier and beat them back with a stick if Los Yanquis send them back?......they have no choice
Belly
you just highlighted the root of the problem and none of the cyber-haitians with identity problems can argue or have a rebuttal for your statement.
" So until the Haitian gov. starts taking care of their own people then cases are always going to happen "
I believe the "haitian government is a fairy tale, is never going to be one, thier future is on their own hands and they need to pull their own bootstraps, and by judging the statements made here by our own DT infiltrados their're more concern with debating racial descrimination and exploitation at the hands of the evil white dominican establishment than to work together to form some kind of leadership that will eventually pull haiti out of poverty.
Not until HAITIANS work to build a civil society without the help of the int'l community will they be able to stop the flow of disenfranchised people to DR.
but hey, why worry about your countryman and your country when you cruising down broadway in a G55.
you seems to be a half bright fellow that is more than I can said in regard to the majority of your countrymen on this forum. Please take the psuedo nationalistic coal out of your Eyes when it comes to this issues. Forget Haiti problem the question to you Sir what is your Sovereign Governement doing about this issue if nothing why? Funny you want to talk slick about me being able to Drive a G55 back home damn right I do .If you have follow my posts before on this forum you would have knowing that my family was the third largest coffee exporter out of Haiti with over 200 employed, build road and hospital in the region where we came from. As a matter of fact one of Haiti's institution of higher learning bear my Family last name.
To the dunce who wonder how could Truijillo have black in Him because he was white,well my business partner is blond with green eyes but he is Haitian.
one more time
the afro-lambon crew missed the point, see, on your own words you state: " forget the haitian problem" as if the haitian problem is now a dominican problem, always throwing the blame into others peoples lap, this is typical haitian frustrado attitude, bite, slander and betray the only people that have ever help you mitigate your pain.
You don't need a nationalistic view to see your poison, you and your crew fail miserably to understand that until you roll up your sleeves and start nation building you and your compadres are going 2 continued to be modern day slaves everywhere they go. It is a sad situation but true, and what makes it worst is your persistance in outlining your wealth and high education while 98% of the haitian population are illetarate and starving at a high rate.
do some work in haiti and them you get respect around here
you're right and you're wrong mr. cubic zirconia
You're right, i don't give a flying F*ck about haiti and haitian internal issues.
You wrong, I'm always open to debate the mass flow of hungry haitian citizens piling up in every corner of the dominican state, i know very well that we are not the best people to deal with and that YES there is exploitation and abuse been handed down to poor haitians in DR right now as i type, but in order to be " comprehensive " and negotiate an agreement you need two parties to do so, and unfortunatly you and me know very well that there is only one reliable partner in this relationship, your liders (if you can call them that) are a bunch of birds of prey, and they also don't give a flying F**ck about haiti internal issues.
You're also right , I'm very bias when it comes to my country, I call it patriotism, something you and your gang of frustration don't have, you should get some, it will help tremendously to build your country.
we are in agreement a lot more than you think. When you put your emotions aside you do make some valid points. In this forum it seems like for you to be a true Dominican you have to be first and foremost anti Haitian, lack of reasoning and borderline ignorant and sometime your posted examplify those views.
Mecaela.
I will give you an A for effort,but no disrespect you seems to lack reading comprehension, Im not sure if this is because english was not your primary language in your higher education studies. So it's kind of hard for us to engaged on the issues at hand because you have a tendency to go off the tangent.
Botswana has created a good program to deal with its neighboring Zimbabwe...A sophisticated fence.
A recent clash at the Gaborone bus station has exposed the growing hostilities between two normally friendly southern African nations, Botswana and Zimbabwe. Witnesses report Botswanans (or Batswana) shouting "We want to kill the Zimbabweans" -- a xenophobic outburst among a usually polite, quiet people who have found themselves overwhelmed by the arrival of large numbers of Zimbabweans every day.