Comandante; Que Dios lo tenga en La Gloria!

Was the last of the Mojican, true patriot

Comandante; Mi Comandante…. Se hace falta hombres como tu en este país de ladrones.

Chilla you could no said any better, with 39 men like him dr would be a different place.

Would Caamaño approve of todays RD Gov corruption & drug trafficking? Or would he think the RD needs another Revolution. Notice that history airs all of our dirty laundry. While Caamaño is being honored as a hero (but yet I see no one honoring Trujilo). Notice Caamaño was interested in a better RD not like todays military leaders who are more concerned with drug profits!

What's the deal? In 50 years from now, will we honor Lionel?

someday another Caamaño will come!! and we will be free again!! :))

I also have said in the past that dr need someone like trujillo although there was a lot of killing and other atrocities only on crook him and there was no such mess there is in dr now.

My the lord hear you ateo

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion."

Thomas Jefferson American Revolutionary


The Dominican Republic is way overdue!

josean
Aren't you too old to be shooting in the front lines?
Maybe the next revolution will have a geriatric squad for slightly damaged but still useful patriots.

Professor,

I can at least throw my dentures at them!

the way i see camano is the same way i see pedro santana mixed feeling. as a fierce anti-communisn myself im glad to hear wessin y wessin along with the american defeated our ultra-lefty commie of the era. lets say camano and his lefty follower would had been victorious against the anti-commie we probably would had been another failed state like cuba. it was our only real threat with with the commie and we dealt with cojones unlike the cuban people who bend over to the lefty commie. im so proud of my country.

vacanos
Caamaño came from the same class as Wessin and they were both strongly anti-communists. As a matter of fact Caamaño during his tenure in the national police was sighted throwing the furniture out the balcony of the 14 of June's headquarters in calle El Conde.
Caamaño went to Cuba while exiled in London because at the time he had little choice to remain alive as the wheels were in motion for his assassination and the order was already given as he was forewarned
by the Cuban intelligence services.
He had few options as he had been responsible for over 19 US soldiers deaths during the revolution, and he was considered a potential future liability by the US spy agencies.
There was no way out for him to preserve his life other than to flee to Cuba.
While in Cuba Castro met with him once or twice in all his years there and offered him shelter, but the two never did have good chemistry together as they came from different ideologies.

Hay un caamaño en cada uno de ustedes, si suertan los granos.

guys like vacanos is the reasons why dr is so corrupt no balls

"it was our only real threat with with the commie and we dealt with cojones unlike the cuban people who bend over to the lefty commie."

Al contrario we allowed the almighty US to intervene. There's no pride in that. Eso no son cojones. Eso fues falta de cojones.

pon me lo ahi !

generoso

At the beginning yes you are correct but them he became a commie and all his association after his exile first to Spain with lefty commie. His years in Cuba shaped his mind complete into full blown communist. He even grow Fidel beard in tribute to him. generoso yes Dominican feel pride in Camano they see him as many naive people world perception of Che Guevara, a hero from the poor who rise to power and defeated the status quo. Yet people have a blind eye into the astrocity of che Guevara during and after the revolution. They just want to remember him as their savior. The same go with Camano we want to remember him as the constitutionalist who fought bravely against the big dog. I respect your opinion and how you want to remember him. From the bottom of my heart I want to believe in Pedro Santana too. That he was our great hero who if not for him probably we would had been talking patua at this moment but at the same time I have to be realist tha go with Camano too.

ponme

the same go to the suffering cuban people blaming the usa they did not do enought in stoping communisn from fidel. the same go to the polish govt who asked the usa an apology for not invading their country to stop russia from converting them and sujugating the polish people into communisn.

we have a miami cuban infiltrate in this post,

ponmeloahi
Most correct!
Except general Wessin who had HUGE cojones and was opposing Caamaño.
He even put a pistol to the head of the chief of the air force at that time and ordered him to fight or die.
When all hope was lost and morale rock bottom and Wessin's soldiers were defecting and officers at the Air Force base were crying like babies, the US military attache's in San Isidro reported to the Ambassador that unless the US forces invaded and landed quickly victory was imminent for the Caamaño constitutionalist side.

very good generoso

vacano
Please correct and re post your post as it appears like I might have written it by some mistake in the server, sometimes that does happen.
And BTW your deductions are just pure speculation. Nobody really knows what Caamaño's political convictions would have been in case he ever exercised power.

it seen we have this forum infiltrated with lefty commie it is like this is the site for former uasd proffesor to bend their anger at their failed aspiration. haha

generoso

At the beginning yes you are correct but them he became a commie and all his association after his exile first to Spain with lefty commie. His years in Cuba shaped his mind complete into full blown communist. He even grow Fidel beard in tribute to him. generoso yes Dominican feel pride in Camano they see him as many naive people world perception of Che Guevara, a hero from the poor who rise to power and defeated the status quo. Yet people have a blind eye into the astrocity of che Guevara during and after the revolution. They just want to remember him as their savior. The same go with Camano we want to remember him as the constitutionalist who fought bravely against the big dog. I respect your opinion and how you want to remember him. From the bottom of my heart I want to believe in Pedro Santana too. That he was our great hero who if not for him probably we would had been talking patua at this moment but at the same time I have to be realist tha go with Camano too.

no is not that is the fact that dominicans are easily bought with material things and back them many people did not fall for it. We need people with cojones and you don't have to be a commie or a us sympathizer we need real men

brootto
Let me continue your thoughts....
Real men that are not pro US or pro castro, we need real men that are pro Dominican Republic!

thanks generoso you could not put it any better.

Today is a day to celebrate!

On this day a one of Fidel's stooges died a cowards death. Begging for mercy and offering up information in exchange for his miserable life. Too little too late. There was no more information to give that the good guys didn't already know.


Another dead Commie Stooge is reason to celebrate!

anthonyc you are one of those guys that believed in the color level after 911 and it kept you in fear, i see that.

brootto,

The truth hurts huh?

your crap is misleading no true to it show me facts you fear monger

Let me get this straight, so TonyC and Vacalao prefer the Balaguer regime during which democracy, human and civic rights were absent from the DR? Please, think before you write. If anything, cowards are those who run away and don't stay in their own land to fight for change! By that I don't mean both of you who happen to be based in the US and are not suffering all the benefits of capitalism in the DR. Go spend some time in barrios, lomas and bateyes so you can see how people live in our glorious capitalist society.

We are lucky we have patriots today who are still fighting for justice- e.g., Dr. Moreno. Why are people afraid of social justice, human rights and quality public services, when these are the foundations of Dem? That's what Bosch tried to establish in 1963, and that's what people like Caamanho tried to reestablish. But as can be predicted, people like Vacalao will evade the issue by saying "commie this" or "commie that." just shows the weakness of their position.

i like that baldoria truth hurt antonic

baldosia

many dominican like me give thank to wessin y wessin for his courageous descision. i understand your lefty commie point of view. i thank god we didnt have to go thru what the suffering cuban people are going thru at this moment with their failed state. my heart go out to them. it is their fault though for not holding their ground against the atheist commie the way we did and many other nation. cuban people bended over and now they are paying.

ps baldosia you reallly sounding like a broken record frustrated commie. today is a day to remember how close our commies were to hold on to power. that is some nostalgia for all of you lefty out here. today is the time for all of you dominican commie to bend your anger at capitalism.

vacanos and generoso:
How in this world you guys know exactly what happen! How can you know?
You folks are making all these statements as if you were there when it happen..... are you kidding me?

I can see anthony c has found another toe cheese partner!

Thanks brootto... by that I was not trying to suggest that our brothers and sisters who are abroad are cowards, but rather that SOME people who praise the wonderful nature of Dominican society may not appreciate the full extent of the reality of the lack of opportunities and the misery that engulfs the vast majority of the population while there are some economic and political elites whose only concerns in life are whether their going to Miami or Mote Carlo to shop for new bags or shoes.

People who taut the benefits of capitalism, please go read Adam SMith and Ricardo and see how these founding fathers of capitalism warn against the negative consequences of markets. Smith and Ricardo essentially argues for a non-ideological approach to political economy, one in which the state would correct the inequalities that markets by nature produce. For a recent version of these ideas, just go look at Krugman's recent book or Sen's "Development as Freedom"

that is the reasons I am asking for facts stop the monbo jumbo. especially vacanos and antonic. antony where are you?

VACALAO, your points smell as much as your name...

I told you! you would resort to nonsensical name calling! How terribly predictable you are :-/ It's sad actually...

Your ideological rubbish have no solid foundation, and please please when you speak of the plight of the Cuban people, you can't leave out the US embargo. Or do you think that hasn't had an effect on Cuba? Get a clue man. And stop defending your points w/o any merits!!!

I'll help you out, b/c I grow tired of explaining thing to you over and over again, What I advocate is called "Social-democracy." Social-Democracy and its principles are widely practice throughout the world and are promoted by development agencies-- well, maybe not the IMF :-/

baldosia

fidel used to preach the same way you are preaching to the poor how he will take the govt and change their lives when they will be in charge. yes he did but to the oppresion side just like lenin stalin. cuentame otro boleros ese ya me lo se.

nunca le diga a un ser humano sus limitaciones. aspira alto siempre.

recuerda lo que te dije capitalismo es el mejor sistema del mundo. tu hace lo que tu quiere. no hay limitaciones. los pobres existen porque no tienen ambition para buscar lo que quieren o no tienen motivacion para buscar una educacion. no le heche la culpa al capitalismo cuando politicos no creen en su pais y se venden por centavos como es el hecho en DR. un sistema capitalista con una sociedad abierta como lo vivimos en estados unidos es lo mejor que le puede pasar a un ser humano. por este sistema yo estoy dispueto a dar mi vida para defenderla para que mis hijos vivan en ellas.

How many times we need to say that DR is a REPUBLIC not a democracy! Take your human rights bologne and defecate them in the U.S.! First the Republic and then everything else! And socialism IS NOT JUSTICE but is PURE INJUSTICE! To get you must earn and this pupu Camacho wanted to take power by force instead of using the electoral system! Only a disparate posters will endorse the methods used by this character to impose his view on DR!

Baldoria Vacalao is one of those individual that believe any government intervention and social changes is consider socialism it sound like those republicans and rush lingbaugh that is one reasons they are attacking the new president. I also bet you that vacalaito is a republican or live in miami.

Is Rush Limbaugh of the air today?

If you lack imagination as to how to prosper in this economy, that does not imply that the economic model has defect! That is your problem! Thinking, planning, and executing is a requirement of each citizen! Entitlement is not an obligation of the state!

The Government is not the only force working on behalf of the people so are private companies that instill not only wealth but also promote activities, support academia, and sports that help the families of the poor share the experience of life.

It is true the Government does not own the methods of production but is a key player in influencing prices (via imports, taxes, and spending debt) or inflation and in eliminating some areas of the economy while promoting others!

But don't transfer my wealth to someone else whose destructive behavior put him in the spot he is in! We are not gods! And everyone must face the responsibilites incurred from their own actions! Responsibility, hard work, imagination, discipline, etc. these are some of the principles that helped people like Edison, Westinghouse, and others in advancing our lifestyle! No Government entitlement can advance society like the private sector can!

Here comes the third stooge who is more out to lunch than the other. Oh my god, Letro, your ignorance is beyond justification. BUt let me now discriminate, let me try to help you understand that a republic and a democracy are NOT opposing terms :-/ Oh my god, what are you thinking man! Actually, I can't deal with you...

Vacalaito Goya, so the US is your pure example of capitalism? have you heard of the TARP, the Stimulus Package, or overall Keynesian economics? Have you??? JEsus man, are you kidding me? While the US is not a social-democracy like most of the EU, but it's closer to it than what you claim in capitalism... I'll take the US MIXED model over what we have in the DR any second!!! Vacalaito, please please don't see the world in extremes or go professing dying loyalty to capitalism, when you've never experienced it. radicalism is a sign ignorance; so help fight oppression by realizing the reality is more complex than these blind terms you throw out.

Letro, keep those foreign thoughts outside of our Dominican Patria! Their too revolutionary! Next time you get mugged in La Capital, I hope you tell the muggers that its their fault they're in the state their in. Please go ahead and do that, and see what response you get :-)

Thanks for providing comic relief. I'm writing about political clientelism, and you & vacalaito goya are providing a much needed destraction.

Keep the dialogue coming... just get ready to get called out when you say something that doesn't make sense.

I like you Baldoria23

Thanks Brotto... I enjoy your post too. We can't let these people who see the world in extremes get away with such B.S.

Did you read the Allegory of the Den? It's like these people are still chained to the wall and believe that the world is just the shadows they see on the wall... These are the same type of people who would have condemn Galileo for saying the earth was not at the center of the universe :-)

here's a link for those of you who haven't read it:
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~wldciv/world_civ_reader/world_civ_reader_1/plato.html

have you notice baldoria23 everything gotten quite since you started to bomber them with knowledge, truth and facts or it just me.

This is what this country needs. Throw Leonel and all his thieves in jail coño.

Wow! yes, I celebrate his death, thanks for reminding me.

baldosa

Did you change your name to vivafidel? Get a grip on yourself. You are losing it. Now you are faulting the American for the Cuban failed state. Communism hasnt worked and will never work because it requires people to be oppressed for the sake of the state. Look this way West Germany had been inserting trillion and trillion of dollars into East Germany and to this day they still haven’t catch up. Get it thru your head socialism cant work because it limits the individual. And when it limits the individual the state will not grow. And you talked about the stimulus please, what about social sec or wellfare for the poor or medicaid tell me is that going to stop people from opening business? Is the govt going to put limitation or stop people from dealing?

Barossa camarada capitalism is innovation.

For those that talk honors for Trujillo, honor him if you want to. He would take people lands “foreigners to begin with” which if not mine I would have no problem. But he would “DE- flower” your daughters. And if you are darker then rum he would most likely have you put in jail.
He would do the U.S. bidding, UN willfully but he would.

Written by: ateo1992, 16 Feb 2009 11:15 AM
From: Dominican Republic
someday another Caamaño will come!! and we will be free again!! :))

Why wait? We can live by his examples, Caamaño was tough and he did not take anything form anyone, not even the U.S. and there 42 thousand troops.


Written by: vacanos, 16 Feb 2009 1:38 PM
From: United States
Tu eres un Vende Patria …. How can you honor Wessin and the U.S. they killed your people.

anthonyC
Are you so afraid of the garbage you posted that you can't even refer to Caamaño by his name?
You couldn't even shine Caamaño's shoes you ninkenpoop, and the lies you are trying to spread on a great man are libelous and below the belt.
General Hector Garcia Tejeda who was at the scene the day Caamaño was assassinated cried in front of me and related how sorry he was to have had a part in the murder of that brave warrior who died like a man.
And one more thing you bottom feeder imbecile, if you are as brave as you sound, you piece of foul smelling crap, maybe you would like to be introduced to Caamaño's son who is an officer in the present Dominican army and say to him face to face the lies you posted in this thread.
As a matter of fact I will forward your post to his attention, you moron.

chilla


yes he saved us from the atheis commie. if your definition for taking those commie out then there are alot of vendepatria like me. like i said before this is your day people enjoy it please take your anger and frustration out. we had cojones paramos esos rojos en seco. too bad the cuban people bended over and believed the commie lies. remember when fidel wasnt a comie at the beginning lol. y tenemos algunos aqui que juran que camano no era un comunista. even though camanos spent many year in cuba and only associated with commie and grew his long beard out of respect for fidel. by 1973 dominican people had it all figure out and helped the govt capture those commie en la montana. long live our republic free from those red scum.

hcx27
You said : "How in this world you guys know exactly what happen! How can you know?"
Believe me I know. From reliable eyewitnesses that were there, from reliable statements from honest investigative journalists, from cross checking fact finding historians,
from statements from people very dear to me that were there and totally trustworthy.
When you publish something that is false you attract corrections like flies from other posters to set you straight. When nobody corrects you and probably thousands
have read your post, chances are that it is true and accurate.
Dominican Today has a daily readership of about 50,000 viewers on the average.

vivafidel
que mas hipocrita se puede ser tu esta viviendo con el enemigo. estados unidos es totalmente opuesto a los que fidel jura como conciencia. i cant stand these kind of people. cuando el sufrimientos no llega a tu casa. tu les da la gracias a fidel por opresionar la poblacion pero mientras tu no puede vivirlos con ellos.

"influence is nothing. I don't agree with communism. We are democracy. We are against all kinds of dictators.... That is why we oppose communism."[43]

fidel castro april 25 1959.

you can count one more to the book power corrupt people

vacanos
Maybe you your change your handle instead of vacanos to "be evacuated on" from all the turds
that come out of your feeble mind (Notice I didn't say brain) and deposit around you.
In the food ladder you don't even qualify as a primate.
Give it up evacuated one.
Are you to be evacuated on or evacuated in?

Vacalaito Goya, you can ask any respectable scholar, even people in the state department (which I can put you in touch w/ since I work with them on Latin AMerican Politics) who will say that the US embargo has had a negative effect on CUban Development. Jesus man, that's the point of the EMbargo! What are you blind? What do you think an embargo is for? to help a country grow??? Your ideology blinds you, and that's the flaw of ANY ideologue who sees the world in extremes...

You, my dear stooge, need to take a step back and realize that what you may be advocating for, is a Mixed system - can you see that? can you?

Let me spell it out for you ONE MORE TIME: We call for a policial system and a society based on 1) human rights 2) justice 3) participatory democracy 4) high quality public services (healthcare, edu, roads, social security, etc.)

Are you really against these things???

babosa

so the usa the reason why cuba is a failed state? so you want to force the usa to deal with cuba even though cuba oppresed his own people. what is it with you lefty i never see you guy go after cuba human right but no when dr try to impose the law on ilegal immigrant you all want blood.

babosa does it have to do that if you complain in cuba about human right you might be thrown into jail and get tortured but if you do it in dr the govt protect you. you guy take it for granted all the right you have, too bad those poor cuban cant say the same thing. babosa your social justice the people of cuba will benefit more than any other part of the world with the exception of another failed state communisn north korea. go to those country if you really trying to help people.

generoso

resorting to personal attack?

Vacalaito Goya, learn how to read, man! you're lack of reading comprehension is exhausting and amusing at the same time. You claimed that cuba is a failed state b/c of it's political & econ. system. I added, that you can't analyze cuba's underdevelopment w/o also taking into consideration the US embargo. Does that makes sense now? so, there are SEVERAL factors to be considered when addressing the cuba issue, and the political & econ system are only TWO out of many factors. Duh Duh Duh...

Does that make sense to you? really? or are you just being difficult for difficult's sake? B/c you're just making all of us laugh-- at you.

vacanos
I just had to, could not control my anger.
You think I need anger management classes?
I was really nice to you, read the response to anthonyC to read something much more to the point.

babosa

not only you are giving a blind eyes to the people being tortured in cuba for political reason but you are defending that way of life that is very puzzling for a "social justice" person.
simply amazing.

babosa

por esos es que yo no creos en esas iglesias convertia despues que se pasan la vida vagabundiando se convierten. los mismo va con los lefty they cry foul inside a democratic state about the condition and when they see people being torture in other state they fight for those govt to continue their practice.

generoso

this is the only point i dont agree with you.

That's it Vacalaito Goya, you are officially an idiot!!! a serious, serious idiot!!! THE court jester who may be able to type nonsense, but surely can't read.

Mozoltov... I hope never-never-land is a really nice place.

Like Gandalf said, I didn't come through fire and brimestone to cross words with a fool.

y babosa tu papa, esa loca susia!

babosa


who are you kidding you know down deep cuba is a failed state. the same happened to china if they dont reverse course and become capitalist many million of people would had die of hunger like north korea. cuba is trying to do the same. they opened to foreign with resort and trying desperate to bring foreing cash.

do you even know the definition of a failed state?

by babosa "y babosa tu papa, esa loca susia!"


i got under your skin lefty commie. personal dirty attack from a "social justice" i knew it you are a fake. is okey dude you can call me bacalaito no sufro de complejidad.

your stupidity and my lack of time got under my skin. I'm glad you don't mind being called Vacalaito Goya, b/c you probably have the IQ of a Bacalao...

Dude, it's your arguments that make no sense. When did I said that we should ignore HR violations in Cuba? When? I just can't waste my time with simpletons who can't read, make spurious claims, and then erroneously extrapolate to put words in other people's mouth. It's just not worth it. I don't need to cross words w/ you, when I can be chatting w/ other people who are honestly interested in dialogue about how to improve the DR. But according to you and the other two stooges, the DR is paradise and nothing is needed. Just move to one of the Barrios in La Vega for a year, and then you can see that maybe life is not as peachy as it seems from the G.O.P. offices, never-never-land, or whatever insane asylum your plaguing at the moment.

So I say to you good luck. I hope they find a donor soon, b/c you desperately need a brain.

Why don't you guys read the headline and then make your comments accordingly?
Why does a person like Caamaño who can not defend himself because he is dead and buried because he
was too loyal to his principles and did not permit anyone to bribe him, has to suffer the insults to his memory of persons that knew nothing about him?
What if he was a communist how would that change anything?
How would that change that he faced and confronted the most formidable army in the world with just his bare chest? Because he was a nationalist and a patriot, and it was the right thing to do.

Anyway I thought that communism was dead and buried also, unless you happen to be a Cuban
gusano like anthonyC who relishes the past and gets mileage from his anti communism.
How would the USA citizens during the civil war would have like an invading foreign army to have come and backed either/or the yankee side or the rebel side? How would the US have reacted?

babosita

you see how you commie react when other people is giving you catedra. you want to take arm with your camarada and make a revolucion. yeah take a hike you panzi you think you can solve the world problem by going against democratic state while giving those state who oppressed the people a voice.

to this moment never seen a panzi "social justice" like you go after cuban civil right or norhth korea or china but when it come against like country like usa or dr who elect their leader democratically and ensured you guy your civil right busca la cuatro pata al gato. but we never hear you guy "social justice" rambling and babbing against rougue state. does it have to do because country like cuba or china or n. korea take you guy to jail and torture until you agree with their view? yeah go whine to the lazy bum who like the handout system they might believe in your theatro. like the other poster said comunismo is dead and there is nothing you can do babosita.

Vacalaito goya, I'm truly sorry the educational system failed you. I'm sure that there are jobs for people w/ learning disabilities such as yourself. Oh I'm sorry, I'm using too many words! That's probably why all your posts are off... you can only read small words, so you don't get the meaning of anyone else's posts. Ha ha ha...

ok, in small words - democracy, human rights, social justice good; the status quo w/ extreme poverty & inequality, oppression & bad public services, bad. Did you understand that, or is it still too much for you. If you think you understand me, why don't you tell me what I'm trying to tell you? of course, I know exactly what you'll say before you say it-- commie this, commie that... What's so commie about fighting for democracy and social justice? What are you afraid of? did someone hurt you when you were young? Is that why you want to hurt others?

Commie this, commie that... Cuba this, cuba that...

Written by: baldoria23, 16 Feb 2009 3:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera, M.T.S.
Let me get this straight, so TonyC and Vacalao prefer the Balaguer regime during which democracy, human and civic rights were absent from the DR?
I prefered it to the Communist Regime run by Fidel from Havana that would have been the DR if that pawn had won.

Funny how nobody talks about how it was Balaguer who maintained the stability and created the Democracy that is the DR today.

Written by: generoso, 16 Feb 2009 7:56 PM
From: United States
hcx27
You said : "How in this world you guys know exactly what happen! How can you know?"
Believe me I know. From reliable eyewitnesses that were there,

You didn't ask me!

Written by: chillaxin201, 16 Feb 2009 7:14 PM
From: Iraq, American Murder Madness

Why wait? We can live by his examples, Caamaño was tough and he did not take anything form anyone, not even the U.S. and there 42 thousand troops.

HAHAHA!
Tough? So tough he ran away with his tail between his legs.
Then he was totally taken in by Fidel and actually believed the Dominican People would rise up to support him!
Boy was he surprised.

babosita

it is funny you keep fighting to change democratic state yet you giving the country who oppresed its people a voice. commie is a bad word nowday tu lo difrasa con "social justice" . lol

I was a child younger than ten when this situation evolved, but my recollection is that Francisco Caamano enjoyed widespread support amongst the people and Elias Wessin Y Wessin was despised.

glomaxexplorer
We where about the same age but the difference was that I was at the heart of the fighting the first few days and an eyewitness, too young to fight and with my parents watching over me like hawks.
I don't like to relate personal stories but if it helps to imprint veracity to history I will.
My dad who had been imprisoned and tortured by Trujillo, liked professor Juan Bosch and had met him personally in many occasions during his exile and after he was president, although he was apolitical. He was an architect and engineer by profession and had a business in San Antón, heart of the constitutionalist movement and border of the city fortress holding out against the opposing forces of Wessin and then later General Imbert, who was his personal friend also.
We witnessed most of the heavy fighting as spectators ducking bullets and rockets as we had a front seat view of the civil war, including the battle of Duarte bridge.
We had more than one close calls.

glomaxexplorer
And regarding to your statement, yes it is true. Caamaño's had some military fighting side by side with him, but the majority of his followers and comandos were civilian persons with little or no experience with urban guerilla tactics or handling weapons of any kind.
The military helped train the civilians in crash a on the job training course, and Caamaño did enjoy widespread support of the great majority of the populace.
Unlike Wessin who was despised as you said, not only by his intolerance but by his past reputation and history being the leader of the coup that did away with Juan Bosch.
Wessin also did not have many civilian backers except a few far right advisers that were hiding and looking for shelter in San Isidro air force base.

you guys are all taking turns throwing your shit into the fan.....believe me it is not evenly distributed when it hits.....I remain above the fray and observe los ninos jugando

"except a few far right advisers that were hiding and looking for shelter"

Just like your family.

anthonyC
Leave my family out of this, my dad is dead and resting in peace you coward.
If you had any balls you would come out of your closet and not be such a coward always stirring up
trouble and then hiding behind your alias.
Are you going to die a chickenshit as well? You have no pantalones, pendejón?

Que entrometido y presentao son los gusanitos Cubanos carajo!

josean
Cobardes y vende patrias todos. Al menos lo Dominicanos tuvimos el valor de enfrentarnos a Trujillo, y no a salir huyendo a esconderse detras de las faldas de los yankis. Por eso Fidel está
todavía ahí, por los cobardes que son los gusanos.

"Written by: generoso, 17 Feb 2009 8:56 AM
From: United States
anthonyC
Leave my family out of this,

Hey SFB You are the one who brought him up! You are the one who said he met with Bosh and was all for "freedom" but that when the shit hit the fan he hid out with you.

You cannot expect to post things like that and then not expect comments.

BTW I am not using any Alias. My name is Anthony and my last name starts with C.

You on the other hand, ARE hiding behind an alias.

anthonyC
What makes you such an expert in Dominican history anyway?
What do you care if you are from Cuban extraction?
Or you just love to insult and stir trouble?
Come down to DR, send me a private message and let's meet face to face one day you name the time and place and I will be there. Unarmed of course, I have been in too many wars and too much struggles in the name of freedom.

I was there.

anthonyC
You where were? In the Dominican revolution?
Don't tell me you are the famous Cuban ex-Batista esbirro Comandante Marin who always wore black boots and was tied up to a post ready to be shot by the commandos when a P-51 shooting
six .50 caliber machine guns at once at the TV station antennas nearby stopped the firing squad.
Afterwards the police "ambulance" that showed up untied you from a light pole that you were
tied up to and took you to the "Palacio de la Policia" where afterwards you managed to be evacuated by the marines in the "Boxer" aircraft carrier.
I was there too.

anthonyC
And one more thing, for the record my dad disliked any and all the Dominican military anyway for having endured and survived under Trujillo a long stint in prison and torture under terrible conditions, so he had enough. And he wished that they killed each other off and be done with that plague. But nevertheless he was a brave man risking his life under sniper fire just to feed some starving dogs that he loved.
Anyway we were too pro-American since while he was in exile I was born in the USA and so was my mother who married him, and we would have never shot at US soldiers, never in a million years even if their invasion was against our core political beliefs.
When the US army and marines intervened and advanced the boundaries of the "international safety zone" from Socorro Sanchez to Pasteur Street, then it was time to exit the "intramuros" zone and get out of Dodge.

AnthonyC
“A coward dies a thousand deaths... a soldier dies but once.”

One, beautiful, glorious, painful death....remembered for centuries by those that matter.

Caamaño was responsible for the death of many young Dominicans in 1959 during Trujillo’s era. We have to remember the reason why he executed those people, because he was defending Trujillo’s regime. In 1965 the civil war started, and then Caamaño took side with the people. I always laugh about how Dominicans never tell the whole thing about the reality of the history. This scenario is similar with Balaguer; the majority of the people say Balaguer killed many young people. But, they never say that those young people killed many police officers, robbed banks, put bombs, and they also killed a lot of citizens which the government was blamed for it. The Dominican historians should do a better job, and bring out the bad and the good of the character they are writing. Juan Bosch was a great writer. If we read his books, we can find the bad things of Trujillo’s era. But also, we can find how Trujillo developed the country economically, and institutionally

"not a man of arms"

Then he wasn't a man.

Written by: yumnuk3, 17 Feb 2009 12:43 PM
From: United States, New York City
AnthonyC
“A coward dies a thousand deaths... a soldier dies but once.”

One, beautiful, glorious, painful death....remembered for centuries by those that matter.

I hope you are not referring to Camano. He died a cowardly and stupid death. Crying and willing to rat out his fellow fools to save his own skin.

A true hero. We need more people like him in this world.

Written by: Edward, 17 Feb 2009 1:07 PM
From: United States, Leominster, Massachusetts
A true hero. We need more people like him in this world.

Thank you but I never consider myself a Hero. I just do what is right.

anthonyC
You said: "I hope you are not referring to Camano. He died a cowardly and stupid death. Crying and willing to rat out his fellow fools to save his own skin"
You keep bad mouthing a Dominican icon and hero. You are playing with fire and will get burned.
You are just a big foul mouth full of putrid air. You have no proof of your jealous statements.
If so show them or quote a reference.

Generoso, Well said.

It is no use gentleman. Anthony C is a coward and will respond as cowards always do. To come one this site and bad mouth a hero of the Republic is beyond insulting. It's one thing for us Dominicans to discuss Camaaño's place in our history but it's totally another thing when an outsider attempts to do the same. It reaks of disrespect for the Dominican people, which is typical of Mr. C's postings. But again he is a coward and as this medium is open to all, including cowards, we'll just have to deal with this pathetic insect when trying to read opinions from fellow posters. En la casa del Mr. C no se fabricaron hombres, solamente babosos que sirven para hablar caballa.

yes the the facts are all there about his revolutionary attempts but had Caamaño been succesful whos not to say that he would had to pay back those who helped him rise. todo lo ricos y previligiados tienen su deuda. pagarle a los quien ayudaron.

we are commemorating and glorifying a man who we do not know what were his real intentions.

ponmeloahi
It is just speculation, he would have been more like Chavez probably, since there was no love lost between him and the USA.
Politic's is the fine art of compromise to stay in power.
Knowing what I know about Caamaño is that he would have been a fair and square leader, like he showed when he was in ciudad nueva.
And also he did not tolerate pillaging and ransacking as in the famous occasion where he had some commandos shot because they were looting a business near the mercado modelo.
When he had to act he did so in a firm way.
He also had no tolerance for corruption and I can attest to that. They needed tools and electric welders that were in a hardware store and very orderly they came to ASK the owner, not tell if the
soldiers could take them to make armored vehicles and Caamaño himself signed an IOU, which of course was never collected. But anyway the intent was noble and he cared about others.

"we are commemorating and glorifying a man who we do not know what were his real intentions."

His ultimate intentions are up to debate, obviously, but there can be no doubt that the regime Camaaño was attempting to fight, namely balaguer's first twelve years, was not representative of the people, imposed by foreign occupation, and guilty of gross human rights violations. That much cannot be even seriously argued. The fact that Camaaño was willing to put his life on the line against such a regime speaks volumes about the man's integrity. He could've easily lived the rest of his life out in exile or await for a more opprtune moment to arise to affect change but he chose neither. Camaaño's resolve, undoubtably the product of his love for his land, leaves no choice but to be respected by all those that hope for a better DR.

ciby
Absolutely.
He was propositioned for large bribes and never relented and that is a fact. Why?
Because most of his fellow high ranking constitutionalists and I will not mention any names because they have been punished enough by the public, did accept them and were traitors and informers during and after the revolution. They are all alive and well now. Caamaño is dead and gone.

"The fact that Camaaño was willing to put his life on the line against such a regime speaks volumes about the man's integrity."


I wouldnt say integrity. but courage. Yes he had courage. But his integrity was not tested. Integrity is:

How you would behave if not being watched or what you would do if not being watched and knew you could not be accused or caught or suffer consequences.

you can have a lot of courage and lack integrity.


So i will give him points for courage. Integrity ?

"influence is nothing. I don't agree with communism. We are democracy. We are against all kinds of dictators.... That is why we oppose communism."[43]


fidel castro april 25 1959

i thank god it turnout this way for dr and not another clown like fidel and we never had to deal like the suffering of the cuban people. i respect everybody opinion this one is my humble opinion

el poder corrempe a los hombre esta escrito.

miedo al castigo es lo unico que puede atajar a las corruption.

"You keep bad mouthing a Dominican icon and hero. You are playing with fire and will get burned.
You are just a big foul mouth full of putrid air. You have no proof of your jealous statements.
If so show them or quote a reference.'

Camano is a pefect example that if you say I lie often enough it becomes truth.

I don't have to post any references or links.
Why not? Because I have direct knowledge.

As for the rest of your rants..........I disagree with you and now you want to fight me?
Give me a break. That might work in front of the colmado you hang out at with your buddies displaying false bravado but It doesn't work on me.

"I wouldnt say integrity. but courage. Yes he had courage. But his integrity was not tested. Integrity is:"

Integrity is defined as "special adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic value". I said integrity and I meant integrity. Camaaño's code was that of a patriot.

"As for the rest of your rants..........I disagree with you and now you want to fight me?"

You are not disagreeing, you are instead insulting a man that many Dominicans deeply respect with false accusations and innuendos and you expect to be treated with respect? You're the same guy that referred to the Dominican people as a bunch of "handicaps" and you're crying because people are pulling up your skirt? Be for real. You've posted many things on here that I can assure you would've never been uttered by the likes of you in certain circles but that's the beauty of this medium for those such as yourself, you can insult and not have to worry about the repercussions. Carry on. As I've already sated the C stands for coward.

power does corrupt, especially dominicans.

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Anthony Cowardly
You are a coward. No matter how you sum it up, or explain it away, you are a coward. You support causes you are unwilling to fight in, and that is cowardice.

Genny,

Keep on with the personal insults. I wear them like a badge of honor.

Be careful what you wish for...........So you better keep your head on a swivel.

Genoroso, what s going on here why do they block all the subject about haiti? where s the freedom of speech? for god sake we r in 2009..can t believe it.

Written by: haitian1804, 17 Feb 2009 8:39 PM
From: Haiti
Genoroso, what s going on here why do they block all the subject about haiti? where s the freedom of speech? for god sake we r in 2009..can t believe it.

This site is owned by a PRIVATE COMPANY.
They can remove anything they wish.
Your lame claims of freedom of speech are just proof you have no idea about the real world.

I don t care if it owned by a private company man, it s a news media website, it s these people always defending the freedom of the press whenever a gvt start controlling their work. do you know what s going on in china right now for the frredom of press. if DT have a public forum it s suppose to be 100% free of this kind of banish. if all the posting rules are respected of course.

Generoso,

Some of these Neanderthals commenting on this uniquely Dominican story remind me of abused girlfriends/wives, who cling to the abuser because even though he beats the living crap out of them he still buys them a nice dress every once in while and he is good in bed. When I hear people extolling Trujillo, I know there is nothing left to discuss.....the man was a vicious dictator and nothing will change that for me. There are old friends who either paid with their lives or endured severe torture for opposing this man.........hell may be too good a place for him.

BTW, I lived in Ensanche Ozama in 1965 and saw first hand the attacks on Puente Duarte....very good thing those P51 Mustang and Mosquito pilots didn't have good aim. I also saw pile of dead bodies by Bridge.

haitan 1804

since you keep insisting what is your take on the haitian using fake id to enter ilegal into dr.

the podium is all your

Written by: haitian1804, 17 Feb 2009 9:08 PM
From: Haiti
I don t care if it owned by a private company man, it s a news media website, it s these people always defending the freedom of the press whenever a gvt start controlling their work.

So?
Do you have a right to go on CNN and voice your opinion?
Of course you don't Dominican Today, like CNN, is a private entity and they are well within their rights to decide what or what they don't want to publish.

Are you really that ignorant about rights?
You do realize that the right of private property supercedes freedom of speech right?

glomaxexplorer
You are so right about Trujillo. He was a monster and a mass murderer and relished
on inflicting pain like a sick sadist he was. Some people do still like him, like some people liked Hitler, they fantasize about absolute power over life and death, and they venerate and brown nose ruthless dictators, those are the masochists.
The Duarte bridge was a slaughter house, I went close to there with an older friend from school and I saw an old surplus jeep driven by civilians taking sandwiches to the fighters get pulverized by the P-51's. Food and bodies were all over the place.
Anyway thanks for your support, that war between brothers should have never happened and I hope it never happens again. Even your worse enemy can become your friend if you both give up a little and find common ground.

Generoso,

Well-Said. Couldn't agree with you more.

anthony C said:So?
Do you have a right to go on CNN and voice your opinion?
Of course you don't Dominican Today, like CNN, is a private entity and they are well within their rights to decide what or what they don't want to publish.
Are you really that ignorant about rights?
You do realize that the right of private property supercedes freedom of speech right?

You know anthonyC, this is the second time that I agree with you about something (the first being about the scam represented by organized religions today). Anyone that ignores the fact that the American and French Revolutions had property rights as their bottom cause is either living under a rock or is just a plain idiot. The difference between both would be that the French were more intelligent than the Americans by their disguising their struggle under the clever slogan of the "Rights of Man and the Citizen".

you guys are so retorded... If CNN have a show where you can call to express yourself about the news they don t have the right to tell you to don t talk about this or that subject. ok , let s see it this way what if the Haitian gvt or the DR gvt contact DT and tell them to stop posting about drugs or illegal immigrations on their website. what do you think will happen? the press can t be balanced on one side my friend I took some journalist class and i know what i m talking about. a private and independent company as you said when it happens it s a news website it s against the journalist law code to stand one side

"Written by: haitian1804, 19 Feb 2009 11:30 PM
From: Haiti
you guys are so retorded... If CNN have a show where you can call to express yourself about the news they don t have the right to tell you to don t talk about this or that subject. ok ,"

YES THEY DO.

ALL Phone in Talk shows on TV or Radio use screeners who talk to the prospective callers and decide who and what goes over the air.

If you write a letter to the editor of your local paper they are under no obligation to print it.

So I guess you really are totally ignorant about rights.

I will make it simple for you. You can walk up and down the street protesting to your heart's content. It is your right.
Set foot on my property and your right to freedom of speech ends.

AnthonyC
You posted:
"Why not? Because I have direct knowledge"
and "I was there".
So why don't you enlighten us with your knowledge?
were you in the US military?
You said you were in DR during the revolution in 1965, so were you working in the US embassy?
Get it off your chest and tell us what you have only hinted so far.
If you were in DR in 1965 that would make you about 65 years old or so. So what do you have to lose?
Why are you so afraid of telling your story?
Where you a snitch?
Or you were an advisor to the Wessin side?
Or are you just a bragadoccio?

to have been on active duty Tonyc would have to be at least 62

I never said i was there during the revolution.
I said I was there during Camano's farce!

Go on, we are listening. You were in the mountains in San Jose de Ocoa in February 1973?
Were you an US adviser to the Dominican republic army then?
If you have facts to share we will all appreciate that you guide us to see the light.
I can only guess that you were a company man then, correct?

Or there is another possibility that I gather from your ardent anti communism.
You were part of independent civilian advisors from a Cuban exile group that was helping the Dominican army, am I getting warm?

anthonyC
Your silence is revealing as well. You are angry because they are praising a man that you might have had a hand silencing him.
You said: "On this day a one of Fidel's stooges died a cowards death. Begging for mercy and offering up information in exchange for his miserable life. Too little too late. There was no more information to give that the good guys didn't already know"
You know that is not true, Caamaño never begged for mercy. If he did offer to give misleading information that was just his training to extend his life. FYI I spoke to the man that received the
order to finish him off directly from the top head bwana, and he gave the order to a captain that carried it out. And Caamaño's last words were defiant and urging them to carry on not asking for mercy.

Con't
I know that you are angry because now Caamaño is being revered and idolized and guys like you are being cursed and spit on.
You made a mistake in judgement and you contributed to the murder of a great man while a defenseless prisoner, breaking all the honorable warrior's codes. Caamaño was larger than life and you will always live in your self made hell.
May you have another bad night and sweet horrible nightmares while you still are on earth in living hell.

Whether antony c is a real gusanito bad boy or a wannabe, his brethren have committed a long list of atrocious acts! From time to time I will share these with everyone so you can see the fascist mentality of this gusano mafia!

To the amigo who provided me with this data Thank you!

(Gusano) Anti-Cuba Terrorist Actions in Miami 1968-2000


1968: From MacArthur Causeway, terrorist Orlando Bosch fires a bazooka at a Polish freighter. (City of Miami later declares "Orlando Bosch Day." Federal agents jail him in 1988.)

1972: Julio Iglesias, performing at a local nightclub, says he wouldn't mind "singing in front of Cubans." Members of the audience erupt in anger. Singer requires police escort. Most radio stations drop Iglesias from their playlists. One that doesn't, Radio Alegre, receives bomb threats.

1974: Leader of Cuban-American group, José Elias de la Torriente, is murdered in his Coral Gables home after failing to carry out a planned invasion of Cuba.

compared to the atrocities of the regime in Havana this is a feeble argument

"feeble argument" Tell that to the famlies of Hector Diaz Limonta and Arturo Rodriguez Vives.


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(Gusano) Anti-Cuba Terrorist Actions in Miami 1968-2000



1974: Bomb blast guts the office of the Spanish-language magazine Replica.

1974: Several small Cuban businesses, citing threats, stop selling Replica.

1974: Three bombs explode near a Spanish-language radio station.

1974: Hector Diaz Limonta and Arturo Rodriguez Vives are murdered in internecine Cuban-American power struggles.

josean
Unless he comes forward we will never know if he is a "gusanito bad boy or a wannabe", I tend toward the later.
If he really believes in what he preached then he should voice his side of the story.
The fact that he kept silent and declined to provide any more information, says that
maybe he is fearful of retaliations and afraid to speak.
Telling your side of he story sometimes can be the best therapy and releases
long forgotten demons that create turmoil inside a person's mind.
This al happened so long ago, if he had any new light to shed in the events of
February 1973 then he should had come forward, and maybe he will later,
in the interest of history and to get the facts straight.
But my feeling is, judging from his previous postings, is that he is just full of air.

Terrorism from either the anti-Castro Cuban exile side, or the terrorism by the state in the Castro side is a despicable and cowardly crime, and most of the time innocent civilians are the ones that get hurt the most.
Human rights and innocent civilian lives are of no concern to the persons that conduct
these hideous acts that should be condemned and rejected by all of humanity.
They are the acts of criminals and carry the true label of terrorism.
What would you call the act of imprisoning a Cuban dissident for him voicing his opinion against Castro and then putting him in a jail so small he could not move or stand up for years? Just because he wrote things that were considered an attempt on the "stability of the state".