Is this... a joke or what, they definitely a low shot. Someone help me

Ecuador has 18.33 murders per 100,000 population, Dominican Republic 23.5, Brazil 23.9, Mexico 25 and Colombia 37. Haiti 11.5 Costa Rica looks much better at 7.6 and the USA is lower 5.7. Western European nations were even far low and Japan less than 1

it been worst than that for many years so cut the crap chief

Brooto ,at least he is adressing the situation.
At least he is aware the impact of crime on tourism and on the lives of everyday Dominicans

A pessimist says:" it has been worst than that for many years"
The optimist says: no it has not been bad than that for many years.
The realist: Police Chief Rafael Guzman says :that he will allow the country to become Mexicanized (Strong words) Now he is on record , let see what happens next.
The Dominican Rpublic is indeed too much a beautiful country to allow it to become mexicanised

Won't Be!!! It already is. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it is raining.

it is all pr nothing else it been happening for many years now he is coming with that nonsense give me a break.
our country need more transparency that is all that i asking.

Police Chief Rafael Guzman always manages to get his face in front of the camera what a ham

I lot of you thing of it as negative comments but in reality if we don't address the issues it would never come to light.

At least in Mexico we know the bad cops & law enforcement, it is all of them. In the DR it appears to be most of them >85%. Thefore, it is more dangerous in the DR as you really dont know who to trust. In Mexico no one can be trusted. Guzman Fermin, is beyond help. Not a very smart soilder. i would not be surprised to see him as a major target by the Narcos, as he is beginning to interfere in their operations, to the point where is is costing them big money. Soon you will see him only behind bullet-proof glass and in armored vehicles.

When I see one, just one General go to jail and not pardoned because of high blood pressure or an ingrown toe nail I will believe it!

Until then it is just situational politically expedient hype, as unfortunately must things are in our beloved republic!

Alright then. Let's see it happen.

I am with josean, get me a general or two.

I am there too

You guys are ridicules. If they fight crime you are negative and if they do nothing you are negative. I guess there are some that are just negative people. Look, after releasing more than 20 cops and the chief you all should be thanking Guzman and the new thrust to weed out the bad guys and corrupt cops.
But there is no "good job:" from you. Unbelievable.

they don't fight crime it is all pr, in other words bulls%$ts. All the major crime are committed by officers etc. look it up.

Oddly enough...last week the government was in an uproar about a drug company infering that the area is susceptible to disease...which it is.

Now, we have a top ranking Dominican official using another country's name in reference to crime and corruption.

i am waiting for the apology to the millions of honest hard working Mexicans.

Do you think it will be made????

richardalberto,

Did you forget about Vivian Lubrano de Castillo?

after releasing more than 20 cops and the chief you all should be thanking Guzman and the new thrust to weed out the bad guys and corrupt cops.
But there is no "good job:" from you. Unbelievable.
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Wait a minute where the cops, not placed in jail?

richardalberto,


Is SenatorGuerrero, they guy who is the real hero in all this, negative as well?

Source DR1

Guerrero's challenge

Senator Wilton Guerrero has commended National Police Chief Rafael Guillermo Guzman Fermin's initiative to clean up the National Police and remove officials involved with drug trafficking. But yesterday the Senator suggested the Chief "go a little further" explaining there are generals within the military ranks that serve as "godfathers," to those who commit crimes, as reported in Hoy. He added that these "godfathers" can be found within the National Police Palace or within the nation's different security forces. "I welcome the measures taken by the Chief of Police, but I'd like him to go a bit further," said Guerrero.

Written by: josean, 18 Feb 2009 5:19 PM
From: United States
When I see one, just one General go to jail and not pardoned because of high blood pressure or an ingrown toe nail I will believe it!

Until then it is just situational politically expedient hype, as unfortunately must things are in our beloved republic!

If this country becomes another Mexico, Brazil or Colombia ... Remember we did it to our selves. We did it by being stupid and believing in political parties, believing in the Empire. Allowing Leonel Fernandez to release thieves, we did it by not being strong and sending back all those foreign fugitives. If we con not find the strength and the wisdom to join forces and battle the ills that plague us. We sell parish!!!

chillaxin201,

We said!

Whats that famous quote:

"We Have Met The Enemy and He Is Us"

Everything was fine until he said “mexicanized,”

He is trying to make it seem like it isn’t so bad here.


The dope is coming through here because it is more difficult to smuggle through the US border.

The cartels are killing each over turf.

And yes the economy in the US will hurt the drug dealers as well

This guy can't control his own backyard do you think he could control Mexico’s?

That’s a dam big backyard!


Mexico population 109,955,400 (July 2008 EST.)

Mexico covers an area of 756,066 square miles (1958201 square kilometers).

DR 9,365,818 (July 2007 EST.)

48442 square kilometers, or about 18000 square miles

In the U.S., Dominicans seem to get along pretty well with Mexicans. It's a new trend.

Another big phenomenon in Mexico is KIDNAPPING.

Photo caption ...."..and now we will adjourn to the back room for a game of Dominoes

More respect for the Keystone Cops!

Kidnapping not exclusive to Mexico anymore, and it is now carried out in plain daylight in Phoenix, AZ, USA.

Based on this evolving story, I would assume that pretty soon the streets of Santo Domingo could mimic those of Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico, with kidnappings and murders. These thugs will not relinquish their quick and easy way of making money, lots of it.

I give Chief Guzman benefit of doubt and assume he is honest and well-intentioned. He is definitely talking the talk, but jury is out on walking the walk. I shall become a believer when I see some of the dismissed arrested and prosecuted for their crimes. After all, wasn't the impropriety and commission of a crime that led to dismissal in first place?

ofcourse they don't want mexicans and dominicans together if they can't handle the high crime rate here in the DR they just don't want to have more crime to deal with, ofcourse their going to make a racial remark like that, lazy crappers.........

"MEXICANIZE THE DR" JAJAJAJAJa,
I guesS that means that the US is MEXICANIZED JAJAJAJAJA
or that Spain is also "DOMINICANIZED" JAJAJA,

hey how about New York its "DOMINICANIZED" and i don't see anyone trying to stop that!!

Mexicans kill for the drugs,
drug lords order people killed to make a statement
But
Dominicans kill for worthless crap, a few dollars, some food, stupid posessions
And they kill alot more visitors for their valuables then what it is actually worth

so really whats the difference here, between MEXICANS and DOMINICANS

How do they plan on keeping the Mexicans from coming in and Mexicanizing themselves, if the DR has already started letting them invest in the DR.

Who owns one of the most important phone companies here in the DR?

As long as they offer good bucks for franchises or properties, the DR ain't gonna have the uevos to back down from the prospect of pocketing some good useful DOLLARES, common.

there are some things that you feel, but do not say publicly, if you have any breeding. we all know the degree of crime in mexico, but high ranking public servants have to measure their statements and refrain from making the kinds of remarks that are offensive to other nations. try to imagine the response if the shoe was on the other foot, and the president of mexico said that he will not allow his country to become "dominicanised".get the picture, folks?

I think most of you have missed the context of the chief's words. I'm pretty certain when he says mexicanized he is referring to the specific state their police forces are in the last few years as violence has intensified to warzone levels. According to international press the Mexican police are at or near total war with cartels and internal traitors. The kind with high casualty rates amongst all sides, civs included. I think the guy is pointing at this specific condition of the Mexican police forces, not making some sort of generalization about Mexicans as a group.

Correct Manny what happened in Bani and shocked us so is something that happens often in Mexico....You can no longer tell the good guys from the bad guys

Do not be surprised this cleansing of corrupt officials by higher authorities at face value, a good thing and of course to receive good press. That it will be discovered on a future date it was a hidden agenda designed to remove competion.

The 10 most dangerous countries on earth, I am shocked (gc)


http://listverse.com/travel/top-10-most-dangerous-places-on-earth/

"Mexicanized"

Looks like Guzmán maybe using the site below .

Mexerican 1 up, 4 down
A person of Mexican and Puerto Rican backround.
Her mother is Mexican and her Father is PuertoRican so they call their children mexericans.

this and more at

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mexerican

It's all PROPAGANDA!

We read these stories last year, right?

We will again read them again next year, right?

During times of crisis as we see US businesses fold & close while Dominican families struggle with inflation ...there is a common theme.

In my Santiago barrio, the most vibrant business growth for the past X years+ has been illegal drug trafficking all with the support of the National Police & DNCD Norte offices (nearby).

If you go to any barrio with CASH MONEY & want to party then how long would it take you to find a CHEAP CHICA & some DRUGS? Not long!

These officials along with the US DEA know all about our barrio drug houses, wholesalers with criminal records but for some strange reason (profits) choose a "DO NOTHING" strategy.

Kind of like Bush managing the US economy while in office whose plan was to keep talking about the war so people would forget about their record foreclosures, bankruptcies, stock market crash, job losses but exec pay hikes!

Check this out from Wikipedia. DR is 15th out of around 120 countries listed for homicides per 100,000. Mexico and many others have much lower rates. It's a shame. I love this country and the people but all the crime, of all types, really hurts the country in so many ways.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate

te vas con migo?? !! PUES ORALE!!!

We won't allow the DR to become "Mexicanized'.

I wonder if this was a translation error? Like we've seen before.

If not, very bad use of the Mexican name to refer to drug dealing, killing, bribery, corruption.
I don't hink that Mexico has a corner on that "market". I think it's worldwide.
Where ever people become obsessed with lucre with no compunction of what it takes to make money you'll have the same results. Smuggle, assassinate government officials, competitors, bribe police, kidnap for ransom. All these are syptoms of society's unravelling; this has nothing to do with Mexico. Mexico is just another dirt poor country trying to keep up with the Joneses (The Illuminati). When you sell out to the underworld in DR, in Colombia, or Mexico, it's a sign of that country's corruption, not someone else's. Bad use of a sovereign name. Insulting to Mexicans.Unbecoming of a police chief to use such slurs...Back to police academy in my opinion.
DR's Imus in the morning!

Arsenio, great input. as I said, think of the outrage if there was an outbreak of criminality in New York, and Ray Kelly went on the media and opined that he will not allow the NYPD to become "Dominicanised".

Dreadlocks:

Exactly; Not becoming of a policer officer, oops, police General!
It's rather an Oxymoron?

who can tell the difference ?

how about Balkanized ?

OK boys, Lock & load!! Lets see here, first I have to arrest Tio Jose, then Primo Rodolfo etc..
Dream on if you think that the police is going to get a handle on the in house drug runners.
It all boils down to money first and who pulls the trigger second.

Watch and see what happens to Querino Paulinos family of 30 in the U.S. if the news filters down to 18 degrees of latitude.

Again I think you guys are reading it incorrectly as a slur against Mexicans. If Ray Kelly said that the NYPD was becoming Dominicanized then you are right dread, it would be senseless and even offensive as the situation in DR is no different than any number of poor nations. However saying a policing situation will become like Mexico is a reference to the actual current state of affairs which is NOT like any where else. Here is a CNN story calling the state of affairs in with Mexican police force a civil war. This is a fresh article from TODAY:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/02/18/mexico.drug.violence/

This situation is severely under reported, but type in 'mexican police war' on Google and you'll see CNN is hardly exaggerating. If you live in the affected regions of Mexico I'm positive DR is a cakewalk by comparison. The police are now fighting as though it is a combat zone, with complete willingness to accept civilian casualties.

More FRESH coverage:
http://www.latimes.com/news/natio....tion/la-na-bordertown19-2009feb19,0,7443711.story
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090218_m

As GC points out, there IS a non-slur meaning when you say balkanized... and as these articles will show there is a very real meaning to what the chief said. Unfortunately it may not be up to him..once it gets to a certain point, bloody war in the streets will be the ONLY option against drug organizations.

To stop the some of the corruption You must pay the police there let them feel like they are appreciated how can the goverment pay a person $ 7000 pesos for the job they suppose to do and expect them not to be corrupted you give a person a badge a gun and some power and not pay them what they should be payed you only could expect trouble from them

Written by: papinice, 19 Feb 2009 10:33 PM
From: United States
To stop the some of the corruption You must pay the police there let them feel like they are appreciated how can the goverment pay a person $ 7000 pesos

My brother, in NYC cops start @ the Academy above $40k (for argument's sake), and yet, many are corrupted because they can earn on the side the equivalent of their salary in a week! Salaries aren't the problem, but, conviction, and ethics.

If you look at the billionaires of the world; their servants, their guards don't earn millions, they get paid practically nothing comparatively to what their bosses earn. What you make is not what decides if you go crooked. If you give in to temptation and decide to take a bribe, it's because that's what you wanted to do. Low salaries don't make criminals. Corrupt people become criminals when they decide to take the express "A" train, instead of riding the "B" to 168 st.

Arsernio I am not saying you going to stop everyone from being corrupted but if you pay well better class of people will take the job not some moto concho that does not care if he would be fired or not look what happen with the NYPD they were paying people $25,000 to become cops nobody wanted the job only people that had nowhere to go took the job people with criminal records were being hired. years ago 40 to 50 thousand people took the nypd test years ago more competition for the position more qualify individuals to hire when they started paying $25,000 a year they were given the test every three months and only 2 or 3 thosand were taken the test lots of officer's that are on the job from the $25,000 right now would of been disqualify 10 15 years ago
many have criminal records now that they have raise the the pay you will have more quilify people wanting to become police officer's in the nypd

Written by: papinice, 20 Feb 2009 1:48 AM
From: United States
Arsernio I am not saying you going to stop everyone from being corrupted but if you pay well better class of people will take the job not some moto concho that does not care if he ,,

Yo te entiendo, socio...
But, look at the Baseball players in the news....Smaylin, ARod, Miguel Tejada. Money corrupts!
The problem bro, is a break down of Society...This Global Economic Crisis, is also a reflection of a deeper spiritual problem called corruption. When I saw the Al Pacino movie, "Serpico"
many years ago I understood why there's police corruption. It lead to the Knapp Commission. It's a true story: Check it out!

I saw Serpico that is the corruption that is going on in DR today. and it had a lot to do with the pay scale of the officer's that work at that time and also the culture of the Department and the goverment at that time. i hear amet the traffic Dept in Dr get pay better then the police and i hear most of them will not take a bribe not to say all

No future for Taco Bell in DR.

I love Mexico, a rich culture that is collapsing. There is no comparison. Mexico's violence is incredible. There is a very high number of innocent civilian killed by straight bullets, kidnappings, and a high number of disappearances of women especially in Lares. I do no believe that is happening in DR.
Our country need to clean up its act.

i find it quite interesting that the ringleader of the Parmalat heist, Don Vargas Cuello, or whatever, has an extensive criminal record, including, among other niceties, failed drug tests, and complicity in kidnapping, murder, and dismemberment of human remains. he was also drummed out of the DNCD for failure to follow protocol. yet, with all these blots upon his record, he maintained his lofty perch in the Air Force, protected, of course, by higher ups who had him as a friend, i suppose. or, maybe, he was a man to be feared, because he probably knows where the bodies are buried. Mexicanisation? are we throwing stones out the windows of glass houses, fellas?

dread,

I am afraid you are right when you state: "he was a man to be feared, because he probably knows where the bodies are buried!"

I hope these two police officers who shot him and the other thief, turnout to be like the night watchman Frank Willis at the Watergate Hotel, who on June 17, 1972, stumbled on to a historic undoing of a government just by chance!

This may unravel to who knows where if the public demands transparency!

Where are our Woodwards’ and Bernsteins’?

Who will be our Deep Throat?

Where are our Woodwards’ and Bernsteins’?

Who will be our Deep Throat?

Josean:

All the President's Men:
Redford and Hoffman!

Yeah, where are they?
When will you hear in DR:
You won't have me to kick around, anymore...I'm not a crook!

then again, josean, let us hope that they did not stumble upon their own undoing. you know how convoluted things can get when big fish sense that they could be headed for the deep fryer!