Written by: juanb, 20 Feb 2009 10:13 AM
From: Dominican Republic
What are they going to do? Fire him?
Let's start to pay our military and our Police a decent wage and then watch the improvement in their performance.
Written by: bernies, 20 Feb 2009 10:20 AM
From: United States, key west fl
come on juan this guys was not a private he was an high ranking officer and i think that they get pay a little bit more than a private. he is going to go to jail.
Written by: bernies, 20 Feb 2009 10:27 AM
From: United States, key west fl
just because you are making miserable wages that doesn't give you the right to steal. you need to learn to live with what you make. the people that works in free zones are making way less than that officer was making and that doesn't give them the right to steal either. so less stop blaming it on the low wages that they make. because they know right before they join the arms forces how much money they are going to be making. one thing that they can do is go school while on the forces to become better trained officers and make more money with an academy degree on something. if they chose to be criminals than they would have to pay the price if they get busted wont you agree. it is like they say if you are man enough to do the crime then you'll have to be man enough to do the time.
From: United States
why in God's name does the Dominican Air Force have 14,000 members? i mean, fellows, let's get real here!
Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 10:28 AM
From: United States, DR
The plot thickens and persitently continues giving headlines to the campaign to discredit the military.
All part of the machiavelic plan to totally discredit the armed forces first, then to purge and finally
to disarm and disband.
To finally open the flood gates wide to let all our Haitian "brothers" inundate the island, who will then be known to all as "Saint Domingue East".
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
genoroso please address the Dreaded ones remarks about having 14 airplanes an 14 thousand men
Written by: Amber, 20 Feb 2009 10:36 AM
From: United States
I totally agree with Bernies on this one.
Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 10:41 AM
From: United States, DR
dread
The Dominican armed forces and the air force have wonderful training facilities were civilians join to learn a trade. All matters related to aviation, helicopter and airplane maintenance, care and building of airports, air security, automotive mechanics, electricians, plumbers, carpenters, masons. drivers of trucks and construction vehicles for airfield and highway maintenance, refrigeration, and many other fields not necessarily related or focused on just airplanes.
The air force has traditionally from Trujillo's time had a large ground support force because it was the elite institution that was commanded by Trujillo's son. Heck they even had most all the tanks stationed in San Isidro air force base.
Later after Trujillo, just to keep up, the other services such as the Navy saw their ranks increase from 10 sailors to a ship to 300 sailors per ship if memory serves me right. Due to the fact that the ships were deteriorating and becoming obsolete and we not being replaced.
From: United States
Can the military in DR execute these rogue officers? Are they tried by the civilian court system? If the military is serious about cleaning itself up it should start executing traitors. I'm not a fan of death sentences in the civilian world, but when you join a military you are staking your life on your country and honor aren't you? Well if you have violated both, then pay the price.
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Feb 2009 10:51 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Well, general, I hate to say this, but the country is already Saint Domingue "de facto". The only thing that a disbandment of the armed forces would do is to make the situation a "de-jure" one. Although we have to have faith on the citizenry, cuz' from what I have read on Listin today, the jesuits "proposals" (blackmail would be the correct term) about the inmigration issue were defeated one after the other at the Summit talks, in other words, the citizenry is demanding for "jus sanguini" to be the law of the land.
http://www.listindiario.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=91829Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 10:52 AM
From: United States, DR
GC
You question even though presented in a cynical manner is being answered.
The Dominican republic has a lot of higher learning universities, but few trade schools were important trades can be learnt such as automobile and truck mechanics, electricians, plumbers,
carpenters, masonry, metal working, and many others.
The armed forces trade schools fill a much needed gap in those fields and provides as well instruction in civic matters, history and imparts much needed discipline.
A lot of sons of campesinos join up just for that and to get their first job in a country that has so
great need to educate the masses and provide jobs for them.
When I had a business in DR requiring much manpower I would select and prefer ex-military due to their discipline, dedication, punctuality and their ability to follow orders religiously without arguments.
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
I agree with trensa y el viejo colonial we have too many freaking airforce personel.
we need to buy more airplanes!!!!
lol
joke of the day.
Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 11:01 AM
From: United States, DR
Lautaro
Thanks for the thread. It confirms the fact that there is a purge going on as a "quid pro quo" for the presidential blessings to the air force for buying two much needed radars for drug interdiction.
The military knew who their black sheep were but was acting aloof and protecting their own.
Now they will all come out at once and for all and be removed from the ranks they discredit with their
illegal profiteering trades including being partners in drug smuggling acts, illegal trips to Puerto Rico and other destinations, and the illegal Haitian trade for the benefit of the big construction moguls that
have a modern day slave trade, sucking the blood of the poor Haitians.
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 11:04 AM
From: United States, South West Florida
I agreed we Dread, dr is the only country we so much military personnel, we are not a country that is in danger of a war. so here you have so many enlisted and officers that are being pay very little and have nothing to do but to get their mind on to corruption. so if you reduce the military in a peaceful country like dr you can increase they salary and juanb can't no use the excuse of low pain officers or military personnel. It is an administration issues, and also there got to be more educate officers not become a officer because your buddy is a high ranking individual in dr. please give me a break is not about been negative is the fact of dr i say it again and i will continue saying it.
From: United States
generoso do you know if the DR military has its own justice system?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I could not agree more with the military being a great source of education and discipline I believe it should be mandatory to do some kind of service for all young men....the Oligarch princes will bugger off to school anyway so their avoidance is to be expected....The aviation industry here is I have been told substandard and cannot get FAA accreditation anyway ...so a draft would at least make the pool a little better quality maybe some would rub off
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
guys don't turn this news article into a haitian issue or DT is going to block it out
they're a becoming suspiciously sensitive about anything haitian lately
Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 11:11 AM
From: United States, DR
GC
I agree with the draft.
During Trujillo the draft was obligatory and is a much needed resource for quality manpower specially with all the foreign students that come here to benefit from the costs and excellence of our professional schools and then leave.
A law should be promoted to require after graduation a choice of civilian service to the country or obligatory service in the armed forces, either and/or.
Of course many "sons of papi" or has you so well put "oligarch princes" will get out but we don't want them anyway to mix and infect the others with their "I am better than you" attitude.
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 11:14 AM
From: United States, South West Florida
people, the military is too big and uneducated so reduce it, pay more to their personnel and educate them.
Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 11:14 AM
From: United States, DR
old_school_trinitario
Instead of blocking us out and restricting free speech, then they can also be more selective in the headlines that they publish as not to provoke comments.
If you curtail free speech it will just move on or become more secretive, but you will never eradicate it.
Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 11:23 AM
From: United States, DR
Mahattanitte
Yes they do read this:
REGLAMENTO MILITAR DISCIPLINARIO
PRESIDENCIA DE LA REPUBLICA DOMINICANA
DECRETO NUMERO: 7010,
PROMULGADO EN FECHA 12 DE AGOSTO DE 1961
VISTO el artículo 77 de la Ley Orgánica de las Fuerzas Armadas No. 4761, de fecha lro. de
septiembre de 1957;
But most of the time a consejo de guerra is not formed and the military are traditionally discharged from the armed forces and put at "disposition of the ordinary civilian justice" to sort of wash their hands from them.
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Feb 2009 11:24 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
The only way to safely reduce the military is to offer the people that serve as the recruitment pool, that is, the campesinos (specially the southern ones from the border) more economic alternatives, brootto. Until this is done, the only alternatives left are either become motoconcheros (and potential criminals) in the ciites or take the yolas.
From: United States
That's too bad generoso. I agree with your proposition for a draft ... but given the headlines I see here on DT.com I wish the honorable oficers would take the matter out of the hands of the government and begin to self-regulate and hand out military justice. I guess in one sense that may open a can of worms, but on the other hand I just feel this is excessively despicable and merits the worst kind of punishment.
Written by: jacirez 
, 20 Feb 2009 11:27 AM
From: Iran, Zähedän
I'm in agreement with the FAD Chief of Staff: These few deviants do not represent the proud traditions of the Cuerpos Castrances...
Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 11:31 AM
From: United States, DR
Manhattanitte
I agree with you 100%.
We should emulate the system in the Israeli military that requires all citizens to serve their country either male or female.
When you do this a whole new injection of young and well educated civilians come into the mixture,
raising the standards for all. Quality will rise exponentially and you will need less manpower to do the same function.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Draft Josean !
Written by: Escott, 20 Feb 2009 11:36 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera and Sosua a 2 days a month for payday
14000 members of the airforce and what 3-4 planes? Somethings wrong with this picture.
If you pay a bum more money he is still a bum. You cannot fix a damn thing with money.
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 11:37 AM
From: Iran, Zähedän
I second the motion of intituting a draft.
"...When you do this a whole new injection of young and well educated civilians come into the mixture, raising the standards for all. Quality will rise exponentially and you will need less manpower to do the same function...."
Written by: tejada, 20 Feb 2009 11:40 AM
From: United States
come on folks, there's logic behind this 14k air force members... you see... each time we go to war and one of our planes is downed, they quickly repair it and put it back in the air with a standby pilot picked out of those 14k. see??? ehh???
... ok maybe not.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
these phony commissions that were handed out to Political hacks must have been terribly disruptive to the real military personnel ....the cheeseball colonels and captains in various military branches must have been demoralizing to the regular troops ....these and all botellas must go or society will continue to circle the drain....the judiciary is rife with slimeballs as well
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 11:42 AM
From: Iran, Zähedän
gouletcolonial,
What about the people who are doing their best for the country. What about them...You know, there is good in the DR. Some of these people are working hard for the betterment of the country. They should be celebrated. We should be talking about them instead...
Written by: Jander, 20 Feb 2009 11:46 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Latest news Mexico says they won't become "Dominicanized'
If it hasn't been said it should be.
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 11:48 AM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Jander,
In case you didn't know,, Mexico is descending into a full out civil war right now...
I don't think they can become "Dominicanized", even if they wanted to...Mexico is one Narco-Murder away from becoming a failed state...
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 11:48 AM
From: United States, South West Florida
I am sure they know who is who in every branch of the military. they can find the good and the bad
Written by: Jander, 20 Feb 2009 11:53 AM
From: Dominican Republic
The DR isn't far behind just on a smaller scale but per capita , I bet it is very close.
Give me break how can anyone trust the military and " law enforcement anymore "
Vargas, who graduated from the FAD academy and served in the military for more than 20 years, reportedly led the holdup of Parmalat with 12 strongly armed men, wearing National Drugs Control Agency uniforms and with trained dogs.
Written by: Jander, 20 Feb 2009 11:54 AM
From: Dominican Republic
PS..
they just happened to get caught this time, how many times did they get away?
From: Dominican Republic
While dominican officials get more than a million a month and simple soldiers and common employees get a misery salary, it will follow happening.
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 12:00 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Jander,
I resent the acusation you're making. Not all the goverment official in my country are corrupt. Some are, I agree;. but the vast majority of them have the country's best interest at heart.
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 12:03 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
jacirez don't be so naive, wake the f%#k up man or woman
Written by: BASTA, 20 Feb 2009 12:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
failed state... that is here and lt is lf pres.
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 12:06 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
BASTA,
In case you didn't know,, Mexico is descending into a full out civil war right now...
I don't think they can become "Dominicanized", even if they wanted to...Mexico is one Narco-Murder away from becoming a failed state...
I don't see Drug gangs battling police in broad day light in the DR...Do you...?
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 12:16 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
I will say this:
Even we all the problems in the Dominicn Republic; if given the change to live anywhere in Latin America I would still choose Quisqueya...
No Hay Nadie Como Ella!!!
Written by: Jander, 20 Feb 2009 12:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I guess you will just have to be offended.
The police are the drug gangs don't you read...
So who are they going to fight each other ?
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 12:19 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
wake up jacirez
that is not the issue the issue is most major crime are committed by the men in uniform that's all.
and if you let it get out of hand it will mexico
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 12:21 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
brootto,Jander,
Unlike other countries in Latin America, the DOminican Republic has a tradition of Law & Order...and Democracy. I will throw my lot with that tradition and the faith in the men and woment in our goverment to do the right thing...
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 12:28 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
But can you see what is going on everyday there is an article about an officer or an uniform personal do dirty work for someone.
Written by: Jander, 20 Feb 2009 12:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I don't want to be confrontational it serves no purpose.
I hope you are right and they get this situation under control.
Dominican's aren't as violent , I will give them that much.
But tell that to guy on the wrong end of a "10 gauge" and he may argue a bit.
"Don't shoot the poster'
I didn't create the headlines
"The Dominican military crumbles'
Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 12:33 PM
From: United States, DR
brootto
My theory is that it is all a carefully and architecturally designed plan by the present administration to remain in power forever.
First disarm the civilians. Then discredit and purge the military. Then reduce the military to it's lower expression. Then disarm the military.
The PLD and its cronies will be the only ones with weapons and a reduced loyal military.
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 12:37 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
generoso,
Paul Bemer, III decided to disband the Iraqi Army in 2003...then what happened..?
I don't think the governing party is that stupid. There are guns in the DR. Lots of them. The last thing you want to when trying to retain control of a nation is to send home thousands of people home with knowledge of guns and explosives without a way of making a living...
Written by: vacanos, 20 Feb 2009 12:42 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
jander
in mexico that patrol police would had run along with the thieves to count the money
Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 12:43 PM
From: United States, DR
Paul Bremer was a jack ass, and him and his stupid boss Rumsfeld caused the FUBAR of the
Iraqui mess.
There were many more arms laying around Iraq than in DR.
I agree with part of your statement and disagree with:
"I don't think the governing party is that stupid"
You should not be surprised, yes they are.
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 12:44 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
generoso,
Let me put it another way: I don't think the Cuerpos Castrances(The Armed Forces Chief in particular) would go quietly into the night...
If you know what I mean...
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 12:44 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
Generoso
Come to think of it, it may be true but el presidente said he will not seek a third turn and i don't think that anybody has the capacity to do so. hey i could be wrong.
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 12:50 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
brootto,
2012 is at least three years away. I am not enterely certain that Dr. Fernandez will simply relinquish power if he doesn't have to. There are no term limits and so far there desn't seem to be a credible oponent...so why not just stay in power? What else is there to do...?
He would be within his right to run again...
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 12:55 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
Jacirez you are correct, that is the only way that all this non sense will continue remember el presidente grew up in Washington heights and he finance his school through hustling.
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 12:57 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
brootto,
We are all Hustlers in the DR. that's how we survive...
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 1:10 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
ok there is honest hustlers and those that are not honest if you know what i mean
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 1:15 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
brootto,
An honest Hustler...That's a contradiction of terms :-)
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 1:18 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
well let me explain I hustle in my job to get things done. a waiter hustle to get his tips you get it.
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 1:21 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
brootto,
By definition Hustling entails "bending" or "massaging" the facts to "get things done"...
For example. You don't call your boss A-Hole; because that will not be conductive to business...even if the guys is an industrial strength tool...
Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 1:21 PM
From: United States, DR
jacirez
brootto
Not really a contradiction. Just that they are different levels and degrees of hustling and its semantic
definition according to Dominican interpretation.
For example "good or honest hustler" is one that is very pro active and does whatever it takes "legally" to bring the bacon home.
Bad or honest hustler is one that goes a bit further and disregards the "rules" and laws becoming a criminal.
Same as tiguere and tiguerazo for that manner.
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 1:22 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Politicians = Hustlers
They both in many shapes and sizes
Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 1:26 PM
From: United States, DR
jacirez
Now please, I draw the line there.
Please do not insult hustlers and call them politicians, its offensive!
DR politicians are card carrying thieves and bums. Almost all of them with few exceptions of course.
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 1:27 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
I agree with you generoso that what i tried to explain to jacirez
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 1:29 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
What I'm saying is that no all politicians are bad...just as not all hustlers are bad. But they all bend the facts to get thinsg done...
It's a matter of degree...
From: United States
generoso, i love that last quip about hustlers and politicians. yes, please have a little respect for hustlers.
From: Dominican Republic, La Romana
Generoso;
Do you think that the govt. put this airforce guy up to robbing Parmalat so that the airforce can be discredited?? Come on. This looser is clearly a criminal thinking that he can use the D.R. govt. resources, weapons and dogs to hold up a legitimate business. I hope the SOB is mamed and spends the rest of his sorry life in prison.
Lets see, so far we have the National Police, DNCD, Navy and now the Ar Force commiting Murder, Running Drugs, Stealing Vehicles, and Armed Robbery. Who is society to depend on to maintain an inkling of law and order? What a discrace! This is pure chaos.
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 1:41 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Politics is about shaping a message to achieve the desired objective...so is hustling...
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 1:50 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
jacirez i guess you have very few friends so stop the arguments
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 1:51 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
brootto,
What...?
Written by: etiennc, 20 Feb 2009 1:57 PM
From: United States
Roso,
We will try not to get Haiti involved because we are facing a great danger and we can not afford extrapolate or use any metaphors innuedos and analogies
i have nkow you to be a straight shooter. please shhot straight.
I am reading all the posts and i refraing to get fully participate so I can learn better.
But I will act as a debate moderator just to let know when you are driving on the pavement.
There is a difference between panic and fear.
Fear is when you do know the main intent of of powerful and panic is when you guess their real intent.
I do not think that you know for sure that any body is planning
to do away with the Dominican army.
The army is needed for the control of the whole island of Hispanola.
Noboby in his right mind will think about getting rid of the army.
Plase do not panic we will go through this turbulence safely.
A purge is tocleanse the body from the harmful toxins and irritants
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 2:00 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
etiennc,
Remember: Blue Pills in the Morning. Red ones Before Bed...
Despite you incoherent ramblings, I understand what you're saying...and I agree.
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 2:00 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
no offense to you jacirez and if i did my apologies to you
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
General G,
I too look for Ex-Military for my crews for the same reasons as stated, They have the training, they do whatever task until completion, they do not question motives for work assigned and probably more importantly- A country boy that was in the military knows what hard work is and is NOT afraid of doing it for his pay. As for the quantity of personnel I knew a guy who was in the US Air Force and was attached to the Blue Angles, to keep 5 planes flying there are 110 support personnel.
http://www.blueangels.navy.mil/index.htm,
One thing the story does not mention is WHY they were assaulting the Parmalat factory.
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 2:01 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
brootto,
Non taken. I just did not get it...
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 2:12 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Fellas,
Going back to the suject. I would like to hear your opinions on how do we clean the military in a country with the traditions of such as they are in the Dominican Republic...? I mean, how do you change it all...?
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 2:14 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
reduce the personnel pay them accordingly and educate them properly simple, too many is one of the reasons they are out of control and the pana crap has to stop.
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 2:16 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
brootto,
What do you do with the ones you let go. If you don't give them skills so that can feed thier families; they will just turn to crime full-time. At least know one can keep an eye on them...
How about instituting the death penalty for military officers...?
Written by: etiennc, 20 Feb 2009 2:34 PM
From: United States
Jacirez , I like to speak in parables
Sorry , too much Bible reading
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 2:35 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
etiennc,
It's all good...
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 2:47 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
jaricez
stop recruiting and begin retirement package to those how been there to long. that is one way also educate those there and set a term limit.
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 2:49 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
brootto,
I like it...
As you Know, in the U.S military education is central...to the point that most high ranking U.S Military leaders have several (not just one) university degrees (most of them Masters & PhDs)...
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 2:54 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
education is the key, while in the marine a went to college and now my military skill or MOS and the education a obtained now i have a pretty good job can be done else where believe me.
Written by: bernies, 20 Feb 2009 2:55 PM
From: United States, key west fl
Latest news,, a police sargent mayor was arrested in the company of the another man trying to steal an electrical transformer sources listin diario. what is this an epidemic?
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 2:57 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
bernies,
The same can be said about police officers in any other country. These are the actions of a few. They should not be a representation of the police force in general...
Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 3:03 PM
From: United States, DR
easyrider
You stated "Do you think that the govt. put this airforce guy up to robbing Parmalat so that the airforce can be discredited??"
No I never said that, it is obvious that this guy was part of a military gang.
Where the hell did you come to that conclusion that I said that?
Now that is pure conspiracy theory. Next I will be accused of siding with extraterrestrials and the real killers of John Kennedy.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
JFK was a suicide everyone knows that ......from the Grassy Knoll University .....Prof Zapruder
Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 3:19 PM
From: United States, DR
GC
I thought it was the nutty New Orleans DA said that it was the Cuban exiles that shot Kennedy, because they were pissed because Kennedy
didn't provide the air cover for the bay of pigs fiasco.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Oswald did it and he did it alone ....Case Closed
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 3:23 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
gouletcolonial,
Remember: Blue Pills in the Morning. Red ones Before Bed...
hahahahahahaha! You're Killing me, Man
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Great Book .......Case Closed ......the Warren Report was not well done but it got it right
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 3:30 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
gouletcolonial,
I was referring to this quote:
"...JFK was a suicide everyone knows that ......from the Grassy Knoll University .....Prof Zapruder..."
Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 3:30 PM
From: United States, DR
jacirez
To change the status quo of the military has to start from the top down. The big bwana has to stop giving higher ranks by pontification according to political merits and follow the principles of the "Ley Organica de las Fuerzas Armadas".
Then there should be no military officers without command of troops, and the numbers have to be reduced according to those parameters as well.
If pay were to be adjusted to cost of living then an increase in rank should follow by an increase in visibility and responsibility.
It is magical how some military make ends meet with the salary that they are receiving.
And the whole thing is a slow process and will probably take a generation to complete
(25 years).It can not be done overnight or hastily.
Same parameters should apply to the civil service employees that are shuffled every time a new government from a different party takes over creating havoc and confusion as well as increased cost until the "learning curve" can be mastered.
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 3:37 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
generoso,
I Agree
From: Dominican Republic, La Romana
Generoso;
I evidently didn't get your point. I will try to tune in the frequency a bit sharper next time.
From: United States, Reality Check
And it don't stop!
Just another day in the RD?
What is the next step? How did they get the anti-drug unit uniforms (DNCD)? Where are the moles in DNCD which is historically known for corruption!
Were they US DEA agents involved since they work closely with DNCD (or they should be working closely with them). But since we know that the 40+ US DEA agents in the RD are NOT doing their real jobs (i.e. getting rid of micro-traffickers in Santiago's Ensanche Caonabo barrio) then they must be doing something with their free time. I mean, you can only watch so much PORN and then that gets a little old..
What's next? In the RD, you can almost expect anything.
Written by: jacirez , 20 Feb 2009 3:48 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
JD_Dominguez,
DR is a good country with good, hardworking people...We don't need you negativity!!!!
Written by: MannyTav, 20 Feb 2009 4:18 PM
From: United States
I'm afraid we're seeing the crumbling of DR and unless something drastic is done to stop these kind of things from continuing to be everyday occurences, we will surely be a failed state and at the end of the day no one will more to blame than the citizenry who has allowed these corrupt people to rule wihout holding them accountable in some shape, manner or form.
From: United States
MannyTav, do i take the tenor of your posting to mean "people get the government they deserve"? i must concur. the populace has never demanded high standards, but has conspired with the politicians to lower the quality of governance. there are far too many people who will sell their votes to anyone who offers the higher prize. elections are like an auction. one guy offers a quart of brugal, the other counters with some waterfowl. then the third clown ups the ante with 500 pesos. biggest pocket wins the prize. well, if that is what people want to govern the land, and whom they effectively put in power, why are they squawking when the guys they backed steal everything that cannot outrun them?
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 4:36 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
I agree with you MannyTav, but i hava always said, we need some few of wessin and caamano
Written by: josean, 20 Feb 2009 4:40 PM
From: United States
I have been telling you guys its a FAILED STATE!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
JD now I remember it was Santiago's Ensanche Caonabo barrio .....But I cannot remember the name of the brothers ....please refresh my memory
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 4:42 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
Well Josean i must agree to an extend, but there is hope
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
josean you have a FAILED MIND !
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
I heartily doubt that this most recent criminal act was one in which the folks were stealing milk. It seems no one has touched on the very real possibility that inside this "milk factory" was a much more substantial white product. Milk is expensive here but most people, especially a group like this one, would go through all this trouble for a few liters of milk. Inside of this story ,will probably never be revealed, is a further drug involved situation. Certainly not all the military are criminals but most of the military are useless and not needed here other than receiving inflated paychecks and causing more trouble than they are worth.
Written by: josean, 20 Feb 2009 5:07 PM
From: United States
"but there is hope"
I agree! Guillermo Moreno!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Parmalat I believe is an upstanding company now owned locally by a group of Fungulistani {Italiano} investors I cannot imagine these kinds of people being involved in nefarious things ....I would be shocked shocked
Written by: brootto, 20 Feb 2009 5:25 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
mob, narc and money laundering who know there is a reasons why those officers risk their jobs.
Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 6:56 PM
From: United States, DR
It will be hard for me to believe that they were after milk for their young ones (as some slick lawyer will probably argue in court).
They were after cash, moola, dinero, cuartos, in the juicy payroll simple as that.
Written by: generoso, 20 Feb 2009 7:00 PM
From: United States, DR
josean
Sorry to rain in your parade bro, but what I hear from people that have known the man called Guillermo Moreno, say that he doesn't have what it takes and he is a wimpo.
Will report more later but that's what I have heard so far. Sorry.
Written by: etiennc, 20 Feb 2009 7:01 PM
From: United States
josean I have promised myself that I am going to to be a moderator of these dalogues, discussions and debates.
Dialogues =you all agree
Discusions =one is trying to persuade the other
Debates= one is trying to persuade an audience that he is rright the other one is wrong .
I am not going to allow any name calling.
You hear josean stop it?
Dialogue, Discuss, Debate .but no nasty comments,and I am watching all of you.
This goes for you too Gouletcolonial.
Roso ,you are still doing fine.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Extra Extra Read all about it Guillermo Moreno,a Wimp
Written by: etiennc, 20 Feb 2009 9:40 PM
From: United States
Goulet ,no name calling.
And apologize to Guillermo ,now
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
A lot of military people become lefties; they have adjusted to life of humility, humbleness and are modest.
Watch out what you wish for! All those militarily trained lefties will take over…
So you can say I am for this
Written by: etiennc, 20 Feb 2009 10:17 PM
From: United States
If one or two officers corner a taxi driver on a dark street and rob him of a few pesos this is petty larceny.
When a major with 12 strongly armed men attempt to attack a dairy company this was carefuly planed .
Their audacity needs to be examined by competent professionnal.
This is not the action of common criminals these are the actions of people who are really angry.
The stronger the anger the most audacious the risks.
Audacious means bold, daring, rekless,also means brave.
We can continue to perform all sort of intellectual acrobatics around this story but we need to ask ourselves what would made these men so upset, so desperate and so angry to to plan and perform such a daring s stunt.
Written by: josean, 20 Feb 2009 10:31 PM
From: United States
"Will report more later but that's what I have heard so far. Sorry."
Professor,
Remember never believe what you hear and only half of what you see!
An Attorney General that was fired by Lie-onel Fernandez because he insisted on up holding the RULE LAW seems pretty honorable to me and way beyond a wimp.
I will take my chances with Presidente Guillermo Moreno 2012 to 2016!
From: United States
"actions of a few", and "happens all over the world", Jacirez? when was the last time they fired an entire precinct in Ottawa?
Written by: josean, 20 Feb 2009 11:20 PM
From: United States
dread,
Why are people in such denial about this corrupted to the core government and the Failed State they run!
Written by: vacanos, 20 Feb 2009 11:27 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
im so proud of the rasos and the cabo who went after the 10 crooks. the president made the rasos cabo and the cabo a new sgt. these two ejemplos dominicanos are the one we need to ascent to the top rank. you two guys made us proud dominican keep doing your good job. people like you are the one that will help us getting thru this corruption. thankyou.
From: Dominican Republic
distorsionan la reforma FFAA
http://hoy.com.do/article.aspx?id=148197Oficiales y alistados están inmersos en una reforma que prioriza la educación y reentrenamiento para los nuevos roles. Jorge Gonzalez
Miembros de las FFAA hacen gala de orden y de disciplina. Fuente Externa
MINERVA ISA Y ELADIO PICHARDO
m.isa@hoy.com.do
Con ritmo marcial, a paso lento pero firme y sostenido, marcha la reforma de las Fuerzas Armadas, una reingeniería de su estructura orgánica en el marco de la reformulada política nacional de seguridad y defensa.
Es la responsabilidad de un centenar de hombres y mujeres con la misión de proteger la nación y sus ciudadanos, de los que 49 mil se concentran en los cuerpos castrenses: 26,000 del Ejército, 13,000 de la Fuerza Aérea Dominicana y 10,000 la Marina de Guerra.
Written by: vacanos, 20 Feb 2009 11:43 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
we should all preasure leonel to ascent these two hero into at least lieutenant. send a strong message to the country that good deeds are rewarded.
Written by: josean, 20 Feb 2009 11:55 PM
From: United States
What they better do is provide these OUTSTANDING MEN and their families with 24 hour Armed Guard protection and a couple of safe houses.
These official criminals will seek vengeance!
From: United States
would it be silly of me to surmise that these guys weren't looking to haul off a few million gallons of milk, but probably some powdery white substance with which to cut cocaine?
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
You are all being a bit too harsh on these military individuals who took it upon themselves to address a covert and illicit activity regarding this company, where illegal and unsafe steroids from Moca were being added to milk. I am sure that was their noble reason and, as such, should be commended as heroes. Really!
Written by: devin11, 21 Feb 2009 1:44 AM
From: United States, The Greatest City
Glomar,
When the attorney's for the accused use your statement as their official defense press release, I hope they have the decency to reward you, for your strategic benefaction.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
devin where have you been ?.....in Mexican Spanish that is said .....Devin donde frejole ?
Written by: Jander, 21 Feb 2009 9:26 AM
From: Dominican Republic
According to www.listin.com.do they made off with about 300,000 pesos (US $8500.00)
I don't think that drugs were involved but rather an insider at Parmalet in on the robbery.
Written by: josean, 21 Feb 2009 9:36 AM
From: United States
Written by: generoso, 21 Feb 2009 9:56 AM
From: United States, DR
dread
When the Greek philosophers invented democracy they forgot to add one stipulation to their wishful thinking state.
The citizens who vote in elections, and the politicians running for office that want to serve the masses as a call to duty and not to benefit in any way themselves; have to be civically and politically educated before they are given the right to vote or run for office.
It sounds discriminatory and it is, but democracy only works in countries with high degree of voter literacy and active participation by all in the election process.
In a country with a "functional illiteracy ratio" as high as the DR you can not expect more from the voting masses other than the hunt for immediate rewards that will satisfy heir needs for that day. Like: food, money, a chicken or a pig or a promise of a job.
Written by: generoso, 21 Feb 2009 10:11 AM
From: United States, DR
Just like you need a license to drive a car, you will need a sort of voter ID
that can not have any other function, that certifies that you are literate, have passed
the civic and history courses, and are of sound mind.
In the US for example anyone that applies and can prove his citizenship is given a voting card fairly easy. Even there the process needs to be refined as to prevent fraud and abuse such as the recent events in voter registration.
The US voters are very proactive and the citizens correspond and participate in decisions on a daily basis, through their representatives, governors, senators and congressmen. Same as in other countries.
We have witnessed many cases when a corrupt politician has been quickly removed from office by voter indignation such as the recent governor of Illinois.
That is the way democracy is supposed to work.
In DR the government has sort of a "blank check" from the voters to do as they please, with no accountability whatsoever.
Written by: josean, 21 Feb 2009 11:43 AM
From: United States
Anybody missing a Harley-Davidson?
"Vargas Cuello, según datos de la inteligencia, dio positivo en las pruebas antidoping cuando era cadete, estudiante de la Academia Militar Batalla de las Carreras y posteriormente, ostentando el rango de primer teniente."
What was he taking A-Roids?
http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=91938From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Generous One,
"The citizens who vote in elections, and the politicians running for office that want to serve the masses as a call to duty and not to benefit in any way themselves; have to be civically and politically educated before they are given the right to vote or run for office"
I recall Rush Limbaugh preaching similarly a few years ago.
India, the world's largest and dysfunctional democracy is an excellent case for pursuing your advice.
From: Vietnam
what can you expect. there's so much corruption starting with the president in Dominican REpublic. IN his first term in office he had a beat up VW and now is a rich businessman. Yes rich stealing from the poor. All these assaults are led by top officials who get a chunck of the pie. I lived in Dom. Rep. and everyone wants to rip you off. It's part of their culture. SInce they are born they are taught that wrong is right, everyone is a lefty. Just read the papers, every week they turn in a high ranking officer and play we caught one. It's a big game.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Devin,
"When the attorney's for the accused use your statement as their official defense press release, I hope they have the decency to reward you, for your strategic benefaction."
Thanks.
From: United States
generoso the Greeks did not forget those things, we did! The Greeks even had a special monetary fund called the theoricon to make sure all citizens could partake of drama and civic festivals, which was their vehicle to spread their civic values. Actually I might say this wasn't forgotten by our leaders at all, but the modern theoricon is about breeding an idiocracy, not a democracy.
dread the people do not get the government they deserve, there are many factors in a history that can force a bad government upon a good people.
GC I hope you were being sarcastic, Parmalat is not exactly considered a well run, ethical company.
Sad to hear the speculation on the thread about what these men were really after. ... I should have put the pieces together, but you guys are right, why all this trouble to assault a milk factory?
Written by: devin11, 21 Feb 2009 7:27 PM
From: United States, The Greatest City
This story really is a shame and replete with many damaging and negative aspects. From adverse buisness investment and national security apparatus reverberation, this one is pretty hard to beat. At the same time I would like to remind all of you that when a laudatory article extolling achievement for either the DR or a Dominican National is circulated, those stories get a scant 2 or 3 comments and only if there were no Haitian articles written on the same day, in which case there would be no comments.
Perhaps if we digest and celebrate achievement and good news once in a while, the bad news would not taste as acerbic. I am not passing judgement, I am as guilty as everyone else. But I'm going to start paying a little more attention to those positive articles.
Written by: josean, 21 Feb 2009 11:32 PM
From: United States
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I am shocked shocked......right here in River City.....I have always had my fish eye on these guys ever since they liquidated the original company
Written by: josean, 22 Feb 2009 6:33 AM
From: United States
Written by: josean, 23 Feb 2009 8:35 PM
From: United States
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Let's start to pay our military and our Police a decent wage and then watch the improvement in their performance.
All part of the machiavelic plan to totally discredit the armed forces first, then to purge and finally
to disarm and disband.
To finally open the flood gates wide to let all our Haitian "brothers" inundate the island, who will then be known to all as "Saint Domingue East".
The Dominican armed forces and the air force have wonderful training facilities were civilians join to learn a trade. All matters related to aviation, helicopter and airplane maintenance, care and building of airports, air security, automotive mechanics, electricians, plumbers, carpenters, masons. drivers of trucks and construction vehicles for airfield and highway maintenance, refrigeration, and many other fields not necessarily related or focused on just airplanes.
The air force has traditionally from Trujillo's time had a large ground support force because it was the elite institution that was commanded by Trujillo's son. Heck they even had most all the tanks stationed in San Isidro air force base.
Later after Trujillo, just to keep up, the other services such as the Navy saw their ranks increase from 10 sailors to a ship to 300 sailors per ship if memory serves me right. Due to the fact that the ships were deteriorating and becoming obsolete and we not being replaced.
http://www.listindiario.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=91829
You question even though presented in a cynical manner is being answered.
The Dominican republic has a lot of higher learning universities, but few trade schools were important trades can be learnt such as automobile and truck mechanics, electricians, plumbers,
carpenters, masonry, metal working, and many others.
The armed forces trade schools fill a much needed gap in those fields and provides as well instruction in civic matters, history and imparts much needed discipline.
A lot of sons of campesinos join up just for that and to get their first job in a country that has so
great need to educate the masses and provide jobs for them.
When I had a business in DR requiring much manpower I would select and prefer ex-military due to their discipline, dedication, punctuality and their ability to follow orders religiously without arguments.
we need to buy more airplanes!!!!
lol
joke of the day.
Thanks for the thread. It confirms the fact that there is a purge going on as a "quid pro quo" for the presidential blessings to the air force for buying two much needed radars for drug interdiction.
The military knew who their black sheep were but was acting aloof and protecting their own.
Now they will all come out at once and for all and be removed from the ranks they discredit with their
illegal profiteering trades including being partners in drug smuggling acts, illegal trips to Puerto Rico and other destinations, and the illegal Haitian trade for the benefit of the big construction moguls that
have a modern day slave trade, sucking the blood of the poor Haitians.
they're a becoming suspiciously sensitive about anything haitian lately
I agree with the draft.
During Trujillo the draft was obligatory and is a much needed resource for quality manpower specially with all the foreign students that come here to benefit from the costs and excellence of our professional schools and then leave.
A law should be promoted to require after graduation a choice of civilian service to the country or obligatory service in the armed forces, either and/or.
Of course many "sons of papi" or has you so well put "oligarch princes" will get out but we don't want them anyway to mix and infect the others with their "I am better than you" attitude.
Instead of blocking us out and restricting free speech, then they can also be more selective in the headlines that they publish as not to provoke comments.
If you curtail free speech it will just move on or become more secretive, but you will never eradicate it.
Yes they do read this:
REGLAMENTO MILITAR DISCIPLINARIO
PRESIDENCIA DE LA REPUBLICA DOMINICANA
DECRETO NUMERO: 7010,
PROMULGADO EN FECHA 12 DE AGOSTO DE 1961
VISTO el artículo 77 de la Ley Orgánica de las Fuerzas Armadas No. 4761, de fecha lro. de
septiembre de 1957;
But most of the time a consejo de guerra is not formed and the military are traditionally discharged from the armed forces and put at "disposition of the ordinary civilian justice" to sort of wash their hands from them.
I agree with you 100%.
We should emulate the system in the Israeli military that requires all citizens to serve their country either male or female.
When you do this a whole new injection of young and well educated civilians come into the mixture,
raising the standards for all. Quality will rise exponentially and you will need less manpower to do the same function.
If you pay a bum more money he is still a bum. You cannot fix a damn thing with money.
"...When you do this a whole new injection of young and well educated civilians come into the mixture, raising the standards for all. Quality will rise exponentially and you will need less manpower to do the same function...."
... ok maybe not.
What about the people who are doing their best for the country. What about them...You know, there is good in the DR. Some of these people are working hard for the betterment of the country. They should be celebrated. We should be talking about them instead...
If it hasn't been said it should be.
In case you didn't know,, Mexico is descending into a full out civil war right now...
I don't think they can become "Dominicanized", even if they wanted to...Mexico is one Narco-Murder away from becoming a failed state...
Give me break how can anyone trust the military and " law enforcement anymore "
Vargas, who graduated from the FAD academy and served in the military for more than 20 years, reportedly led the holdup of Parmalat with 12 strongly armed men, wearing National Drugs Control Agency uniforms and with trained dogs.
they just happened to get caught this time, how many times did they get away?
I resent the acusation you're making. Not all the goverment official in my country are corrupt. Some are, I agree;. but the vast majority of them have the country's best interest at heart.
In case you didn't know,, Mexico is descending into a full out civil war right now...
I don't think they can become "Dominicanized", even if they wanted to...Mexico is one Narco-Murder away from becoming a failed state...
I don't see Drug gangs battling police in broad day light in the DR...Do you...?
Even we all the problems in the Dominicn Republic; if given the change to live anywhere in Latin America I would still choose Quisqueya...
No Hay Nadie Como Ella!!!
The police are the drug gangs don't you read...
So who are they going to fight each other ?
that is not the issue the issue is most major crime are committed by the men in uniform that's all.
and if you let it get out of hand it will mexico
Unlike other countries in Latin America, the DOminican Republic has a tradition of Law & Order...and Democracy. I will throw my lot with that tradition and the faith in the men and woment in our goverment to do the right thing...
I hope you are right and they get this situation under control.
Dominican's aren't as violent , I will give them that much.
But tell that to guy on the wrong end of a "10 gauge" and he may argue a bit.
"Don't shoot the poster'
I didn't create the headlines
"The Dominican military crumbles'
My theory is that it is all a carefully and architecturally designed plan by the present administration to remain in power forever.
First disarm the civilians. Then discredit and purge the military. Then reduce the military to it's lower expression. Then disarm the military.
The PLD and its cronies will be the only ones with weapons and a reduced loyal military.
Paul Bemer, III decided to disband the Iraqi Army in 2003...then what happened..?
I don't think the governing party is that stupid. There are guns in the DR. Lots of them. The last thing you want to when trying to retain control of a nation is to send home thousands of people home with knowledge of guns and explosives without a way of making a living...
in mexico that patrol police would had run along with the thieves to count the money
Iraqui mess.
There were many more arms laying around Iraq than in DR.
I agree with part of your statement and disagree with:
"I don't think the governing party is that stupid"
You should not be surprised, yes they are.
Let me put it another way: I don't think the Cuerpos Castrances(The Armed Forces Chief in particular) would go quietly into the night...
If you know what I mean...
Generoso
Come to think of it, it may be true but el presidente said he will not seek a third turn and i don't think that anybody has the capacity to do so. hey i could be wrong.
2012 is at least three years away. I am not enterely certain that Dr. Fernandez will simply relinquish power if he doesn't have to. There are no term limits and so far there desn't seem to be a credible oponent...so why not just stay in power? What else is there to do...?
He would be within his right to run again...
We are all Hustlers in the DR. that's how we survive...
An honest Hustler...That's a contradiction of terms :-)
By definition Hustling entails "bending" or "massaging" the facts to "get things done"...
For example. You don't call your boss A-Hole; because that will not be conductive to business...even if the guys is an industrial strength tool...
brootto
Not really a contradiction. Just that they are different levels and degrees of hustling and its semantic
definition according to Dominican interpretation.
For example "good or honest hustler" is one that is very pro active and does whatever it takes "legally" to bring the bacon home.
Bad or honest hustler is one that goes a bit further and disregards the "rules" and laws becoming a criminal.
Same as tiguere and tiguerazo for that manner.
They both in many shapes and sizes
Now please, I draw the line there.
Please do not insult hustlers and call them politicians, its offensive!
DR politicians are card carrying thieves and bums. Almost all of them with few exceptions of course.
It's a matter of degree...
Do you think that the govt. put this airforce guy up to robbing Parmalat so that the airforce can be discredited?? Come on. This looser is clearly a criminal thinking that he can use the D.R. govt. resources, weapons and dogs to hold up a legitimate business. I hope the SOB is mamed and spends the rest of his sorry life in prison.
Lets see, so far we have the National Police, DNCD, Navy and now the Ar Force commiting Murder, Running Drugs, Stealing Vehicles, and Armed Robbery. Who is society to depend on to maintain an inkling of law and order? What a discrace! This is pure chaos.
What...?
We will try not to get Haiti involved because we are facing a great danger and we can not afford extrapolate or use any metaphors innuedos and analogies
i have nkow you to be a straight shooter. please shhot straight.
I am reading all the posts and i refraing to get fully participate so I can learn better.
But I will act as a debate moderator just to let know when you are driving on the pavement.
There is a difference between panic and fear.
Fear is when you do know the main intent of of powerful and panic is when you guess their real intent.
I do not think that you know for sure that any body is planning
to do away with the Dominican army.
The army is needed for the control of the whole island of Hispanola.
Noboby in his right mind will think about getting rid of the army.
Plase do not panic we will go through this turbulence safely.
A purge is tocleanse the body from the harmful toxins and irritants
Remember: Blue Pills in the Morning. Red ones Before Bed...
Despite you incoherent ramblings, I understand what you're saying...and I agree.
I too look for Ex-Military for my crews for the same reasons as stated, They have the training, they do whatever task until completion, they do not question motives for work assigned and probably more importantly- A country boy that was in the military knows what hard work is and is NOT afraid of doing it for his pay. As for the quantity of personnel I knew a guy who was in the US Air Force and was attached to the Blue Angles, to keep 5 planes flying there are 110 support personnel. http://www.blueangels.navy.mil/index.htm,
One thing the story does not mention is WHY they were assaulting the Parmalat factory.
Non taken. I just did not get it...
Going back to the suject. I would like to hear your opinions on how do we clean the military in a country with the traditions of such as they are in the Dominican Republic...? I mean, how do you change it all...?
What do you do with the ones you let go. If you don't give them skills so that can feed thier families; they will just turn to crime full-time. At least know one can keep an eye on them...
How about instituting the death penalty for military officers...?
Sorry , too much Bible reading
It's all good...
jaricez
stop recruiting and begin retirement package to those how been there to long. that is one way also educate those there and set a term limit.
I like it...
As you Know, in the U.S military education is central...to the point that most high ranking U.S Military leaders have several (not just one) university degrees (most of them Masters & PhDs)...
The same can be said about police officers in any other country. These are the actions of a few. They should not be a representation of the police force in general...
You stated "Do you think that the govt. put this airforce guy up to robbing Parmalat so that the airforce can be discredited??"
No I never said that, it is obvious that this guy was part of a military gang.
Where the hell did you come to that conclusion that I said that?
Now that is pure conspiracy theory. Next I will be accused of siding with extraterrestrials and the real killers of John Kennedy.
I thought it was the nutty New Orleans DA said that it was the Cuban exiles that shot Kennedy, because they were pissed because Kennedy
didn't provide the air cover for the bay of pigs fiasco.
Remember: Blue Pills in the Morning. Red ones Before Bed...
hahahahahahaha! You're Killing me, Man
I was referring to this quote:
"...JFK was a suicide everyone knows that ......from the Grassy Knoll University .....Prof Zapruder..."
To change the status quo of the military has to start from the top down. The big bwana has to stop giving higher ranks by pontification according to political merits and follow the principles of the "Ley Organica de las Fuerzas Armadas".
Then there should be no military officers without command of troops, and the numbers have to be reduced according to those parameters as well.
If pay were to be adjusted to cost of living then an increase in rank should follow by an increase in visibility and responsibility.
It is magical how some military make ends meet with the salary that they are receiving.
And the whole thing is a slow process and will probably take a generation to complete
(25 years).It can not be done overnight or hastily.
Same parameters should apply to the civil service employees that are shuffled every time a new government from a different party takes over creating havoc and confusion as well as increased cost until the "learning curve" can be mastered.
I Agree
I evidently didn't get your point. I will try to tune in the frequency a bit sharper next time.
Just another day in the RD?
What is the next step? How did they get the anti-drug unit uniforms (DNCD)? Where are the moles in DNCD which is historically known for corruption!
Were they US DEA agents involved since they work closely with DNCD (or they should be working closely with them). But since we know that the 40+ US DEA agents in the RD are NOT doing their real jobs (i.e. getting rid of micro-traffickers in Santiago's Ensanche Caonabo barrio) then they must be doing something with their free time. I mean, you can only watch so much PORN and then that gets a little old..
What's next? In the RD, you can almost expect anything.
DR is a good country with good, hardworking people...We don't need you negativity!!!!
I agree! Guillermo Moreno!
They were after cash, moola, dinero, cuartos, in the juicy payroll simple as that.
Sorry to rain in your parade bro, but what I hear from people that have known the man called Guillermo Moreno, say that he doesn't have what it takes and he is a wimpo.
Will report more later but that's what I have heard so far. Sorry.
Dialogues =you all agree
Discusions =one is trying to persuade the other
Debates= one is trying to persuade an audience that he is rright the other one is wrong .
I am not going to allow any name calling.
You hear josean stop it?
Dialogue, Discuss, Debate .but no nasty comments,and I am watching all of you.
This goes for you too Gouletcolonial.
Roso ,you are still doing fine.
And apologize to Guillermo ,now
Watch out what you wish for! All those militarily trained lefties will take over…
So you can say I am for this
When a major with 12 strongly armed men attempt to attack a dairy company this was carefuly planed .
Their audacity needs to be examined by competent professionnal.
This is not the action of common criminals these are the actions of people who are really angry.
The stronger the anger the most audacious the risks.
Audacious means bold, daring, rekless,also means brave.
We can continue to perform all sort of intellectual acrobatics around this story but we need to ask ourselves what would made these men so upset, so desperate and so angry to to plan and perform such a daring s stunt.
Professor,
Remember never believe what you hear and only half of what you see!
An Attorney General that was fired by Lie-onel Fernandez because he insisted on up holding the RULE LAW seems pretty honorable to me and way beyond a wimp.
I will take my chances with Presidente Guillermo Moreno 2012 to 2016!
Why are people in such denial about this corrupted to the core government and the Failed State they run!
http://hoy.com.do/article.aspx?id=148197Oficiales y alistados están inmersos en una reforma que prioriza la educación y reentrenamiento para los nuevos roles. Jorge Gonzalez
Miembros de las FFAA hacen gala de orden y de disciplina. Fuente Externa
MINERVA ISA Y ELADIO PICHARDO
m.isa@hoy.com.do
Con ritmo marcial, a paso lento pero firme y sostenido, marcha la reforma de las Fuerzas Armadas, una reingeniería de su estructura orgánica en el marco de la reformulada política nacional de seguridad y defensa.
Es la responsabilidad de un centenar de hombres y mujeres con la misión de proteger la nación y sus ciudadanos, de los que 49 mil se concentran en los cuerpos castrenses: 26,000 del Ejército, 13,000 de la Fuerza Aérea Dominicana y 10,000 la Marina de Guerra.
These official criminals will seek vengeance!
When the attorney's for the accused use your statement as their official defense press release, I hope they have the decency to reward you, for your strategic benefaction.
I don't think that drugs were involved but rather an insider at Parmalet in on the robbery.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4159/is_20031228/ai_n12746595
When the Greek philosophers invented democracy they forgot to add one stipulation to their wishful thinking state.
The citizens who vote in elections, and the politicians running for office that want to serve the masses as a call to duty and not to benefit in any way themselves; have to be civically and politically educated before they are given the right to vote or run for office.
It sounds discriminatory and it is, but democracy only works in countries with high degree of voter literacy and active participation by all in the election process.
In a country with a "functional illiteracy ratio" as high as the DR you can not expect more from the voting masses other than the hunt for immediate rewards that will satisfy heir needs for that day. Like: food, money, a chicken or a pig or a promise of a job.
that can not have any other function, that certifies that you are literate, have passed
the civic and history courses, and are of sound mind.
In the US for example anyone that applies and can prove his citizenship is given a voting card fairly easy. Even there the process needs to be refined as to prevent fraud and abuse such as the recent events in voter registration.
The US voters are very proactive and the citizens correspond and participate in decisions on a daily basis, through their representatives, governors, senators and congressmen. Same as in other countries.
We have witnessed many cases when a corrupt politician has been quickly removed from office by voter indignation such as the recent governor of Illinois.
That is the way democracy is supposed to work.
In DR the government has sort of a "blank check" from the voters to do as they please, with no accountability whatsoever.
"Vargas Cuello, según datos de la inteligencia, dio positivo en las pruebas antidoping cuando era cadete, estudiante de la Academia Militar Batalla de las Carreras y posteriormente, ostentando el rango de primer teniente."
What was he taking A-Roids?
http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=91938
"The citizens who vote in elections, and the politicians running for office that want to serve the masses as a call to duty and not to benefit in any way themselves; have to be civically and politically educated before they are given the right to vote or run for office"
I recall Rush Limbaugh preaching similarly a few years ago.
India, the world's largest and dysfunctional democracy is an excellent case for pursuing your advice.
"When the attorney's for the accused use your statement as their official defense press release, I hope they have the decency to reward you, for your strategic benefaction."
Thanks.
dread the people do not get the government they deserve, there are many factors in a history that can force a bad government upon a good people.
GC I hope you were being sarcastic, Parmalat is not exactly considered a well run, ethical company.
Sad to hear the speculation on the thread about what these men were really after. ... I should have put the pieces together, but you guys are right, why all this trouble to assault a milk factory?
Perhaps if we digest and celebrate achievement and good news once in a while, the bad news would not taste as acerbic. I am not passing judgement, I am as guilty as everyone else. But I'm going to start paying a little more attention to those positive articles.
Now Parmalat's Chief Of Security asks for police protection after his life is allegedly threatened!
http://www.noticiassin.com/www/in....ay_article&aid=1590&tid=4
Notice how the alleged ring leader is treated differently by being allowed not to have his hands cuffed.
But more importantly read there denial!
http://www.hoy.com.do/el-pais/200....usados-deasalto-a-planta-Parmalat
http://www.proceso.com.do/