If your not careful you may be the next one extradited, Nicky!

That would be an amusing thing to watch, josean, don't you think?

Where's the clown makeup? Ignore the stench from your government cronies to keep those free meals coming and criticize an accurate report instead. This is the definition of "shooting the messenger while ignoring the message"·

"This is the definition of "shooting the messenger while ignoring the message"·

Believe jb I know what that feels like!

Perhaps he thinks that, if the state were to correct its own deficiencies, it would then have time enough to watch the ones of the Church on this country, which are not a small thing, mind you.

Well said cardinal Nicky your revered highness! Well said.
It's like a rabbit telling another rabbit:
Hey man, you have got long ears!

USA should fix the problems of their own country, as they shurley have problems. They allways like to put the nose in others country businesses. Last time in 1965 we had here a USA invasion in Dominican Republic.

I can not remember when was the last time that Dominican Republic was offensive to some other country?

Maybe we should give some economic help to USA? Send blankets and platano? Maybe Pipiyota as well.

It's a sad commentary on Dominican society when the local cardinal assumes that he has the right to speak for the entire society on an international level. Don't the Dominican people elect others to represent them? Is the DR a democracy or a theocracy? One has to ask the question because at times, particularly those times when this old goat sticks his head out of whatever crevasse it usually abides in, the lines seem blurred.

This bum who usually wears a Dunce Hat has the gall to challenge this report when he is part of the pedophile empire!

Fix your church first, before you cast stones!

You have the moral authority of septic tank waste!!

Written by: generoso, 26 Feb 2009 1:05 PM
From: United States
Well said cardinal Nicky your revere highness! Well said.
It's like a rabbit telling another rabbit:
Hey man, you have got long ears!

Professor,

Today you are amazing me by allowing your blind narrow nationalist interests to cloud your usually good judgment.

Cardinal is right, but it's always the fools that fail to recognize what to the thinkers amongst us, is evident. Que viva la Iglesia

"Cardinal is right, but it's always the fools that fail to recognize what to the thinkers amongst us, is evident. Que viva la Iglesia'

Can anyone translate this into any of the known human languages?

He has a point!

"He has a point!"

Yes on the Dunce Hat he usually wears!

Keep in mind, the RD Gov prefers that the Cardinal speak out against the US Report because as a representative of the church he actually has "more credibility" than the RD Gov or any official thereof. So, the RD Gov officials are silent (for now) but give the Cardinal first response in order to appeal to the believers that are working in US Gov officials.

The Cardinal makes a valid & undeniable point based on US history. Recall, when GW Bush was Governor a black man was chained to the back of a pickup truck & dragged to death in Jasper, TX (while an NBA star offered to pay for the funeral the Gov Bush was "silent on the entire incident"). Bush's silence told many where he stood on this issue and he went on to capture the huge southern electoral votes from most states (vs. another Southerner Al Gore) for President.

But I'd respectfully advise the Cardinal that two wrongs don't make a "right". That is, one man (nations) sin does not clean another's....

Reality Check!

"that two wrongs don't make a "right". That is one man/nations sin does not clean another's...."

That's the point!

josean
What he said was fine, disregarding of other opinions about other subjects that I might have about him.
Listen and argue about the specific message, do not judge the messenger or his motives for saying it.
Bless you with holy water, my son.

No disrespect but...
who is this guy anyway ?
Does he has to comment on everything ?

leonardo
You are talking about mua or josean? or the cardinal?
josean is a DT employee like GC I was told.
They have a right to make a few bucks or pesos whatever.

Washington should just f*ck off and take care of its own human rights abuses. The U.S. government gets in other countries' internal affairs and then it wonders why they are not liked very much around the world. I bet most people in the DR are in favor that authorities start killing criminals (talking about criminals) and are against "human rights" organizations.

didn't we heard somewhere that the usa was deporting 30k hatians. what about all those banks that have collapse, why didn't the usa did anything to prevent this world crise that we are in, because of their wrong way of doing business. a least here in the dr banniter case those people went to jail, i had not heard a word about sending any of those corrupt ed bankers being arrested. if anyone has please fee the information so we dominican can read it as weel.

josean

please dude get a grip of yourself. in that aspect the cardinal is correct. there is nothing this man does that you agree. i know you commies dont believe in religions but at least have some respect. will you.

i think this is the first phase from the obama adm to softened our stance to get rid of the haitian problem inot allowing the haitian into our land in mass. those 30,000 haitian being deported from the usa that haiti dont want back no doubt they will make their way to dr. usa along with the other HRA are just putting preassure on us to accept our fate.

DR has lots of problems that it needs to deal with. The U.S. needs to stop policing the world. It's a very hypocritical gesture to try to be the world police when you country is going through similar or worse situations. Get your house in order. China also stated the same sentiments as Cardinal Nicky. It's a good response in my opinion.

Take of the Citizens of the United States like myself who are going through a terrible economic crisis. Worry about finding ways to get the country back on track and not about what Domincans, Chinese, etc are doing.

Que Viva La Patria Dominicana. Somos Dominicanos adonde quiera. Amo mi gente y mi pais. Con nuestros defectos y todos somos un pueblo de gente buena y trabajadora que quiere salir adelante!! Pa'lante mi gente!!

The Cardinal is right because there is a lot of discrimination in the U.S. , but also the DR is a poor country and so many things will be wrong for the reason that there is no money not even to fix the roads. The government does not care about education, why it will care about human rights and try to improve it? The problems of the Dominican Republic can only be fixed through better education; not announcements on TV, but education in the classroom. The mean time, poor education will lead to unemployment, garbage every where, unable to pay the utility bills, etc.

ny4life

gracias por esas palabras.

DIOS PATRIA LIBERTAD!

Loser.................

SANTO DOMINGO. - Cardinal Nicolas de Jesus Lopez Rodriguez dismissed the U.S. State Department’s report as unimportant, and said that nation should be more concerned with what happens in Iraq and Guantanamo.
...
“they’ve always discriminated against the black world, then why walk in other people's yards if yours are worse than anybody else’s problems."

The cardinal spoke after heading a mass in the Santo Domingo State University UASD, as part of the commencement ceremony for more than 1,000 students.

*Here's the kicker-
Did he speak as a Cardinal of the holi- see with diplomatic immunity, and speaking "ex-cathedra" having ecclesiatistal authority to admonish as he wills in temporal matters?
Or, because he's a patriotic defender of national honor?

Cardinal, remember they had Black history month at la UASD? Muy very goo...full...etc.

The Whites in the DR can take a hint from their northern cousins, no?

HEY! MILOSKORAC...
so you want to send BLANKETS AND PLATANO. to the us..
i have better idea.... stop sending your SH--T to the states..... let them say in santo domingo and steal and sell drugs to other dominicans..... this is a better idea..... and the UNITED STATES does not need you or your blankets baby........
maybe you should go around the wonderfull island you live on and tell the fathers of very young girls like the ones that are 10 or 12 years old that they should not have SEX with their own children.... like this idea better dont you/?

sure the pope is going to vist with this saint, this man of the world, this holy fellow... lol... give me a break please

if he wasn't in the pockets of the political elite i would say he has a point, but El cardenal, el vocero de dios es un charlatan.

amen

I agree with Trujillo and Vacanos.

Danny00 if you bend over, I can give you a Dirty Sanchez, or cincinnati steamroller, whatever you prefer. If you dont want Pipiyota anyway, its up to you, you decide.

USA is the head of the Dope business, in Las Americas, so its importing its own good, for not paying taxes you pay taxis.

Stop sending your shit over this country, you freaks. Clean the mess in your house first.

By the way, you missed the forum, gay forum is somewhere else. (Danny)

This moron does not want the US to say anything because the US can actually do something about it.

Dominican ‘paper tigers’ talk big crap but do NOTHING.

Twice a month someone mentions the rampant immoral corruption, but NOTHING is done about it. Pathetic.

Dominican should admit they are bred with corruption entitlement. Do not say bad things about it, it is your legacy.

Dominicans are transparent about their corruption and wear it as a badge of honor and ‘machismo’. Grow up.

Nicky I disconnected the wire please dont call the cops.....Im paying now

Truth, Justice and the Dominican Way!


http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=92517

Danny00.....your comments are sooo stupid I wonder how you get by on a daily basis. Lil old DR, si now an exporter and the root of Americna problems......just open up another beer, sit in front of Fox News and widdle your day away being led to believe in idiodacies while those in power consolidate more and more power in America, Hopefuly at some point you'll wake up, explore the world/society you live in, get educated an then come back and make thoughtful, insightful comments instead of the myopic idiotic racist comments you make.

Wow!

An official of the Catholic Church pointing fingers!

anthonyC
"I was there"
" I have direct knowledge"
Are you ready for confession now, my son?

1000 hail marys for you

Danny:

Very stupid comments!!!

Dominican corruption knows no boundaries! A Jordanian nationalized Dominican Republicantio is going to the Big House for giving money to John Mc Lame and Sarah Falin too much dollars!

http://www.diariolibre.com/noticias_det.php?id=190314

How can the Obama administration complain about civil rights abuse. The national associations of human rights workers are the most powerful bias union organization in the United States.

a-1,

When we learn to understand the language you are using we will be able to address your questions!

"a moderator"

When did I get promoted?

"moron"

No that is something you have unrivaled expertise in!

"a moderator"


With multiple personalities, hemorrhoid and bipolar disorder.

As a moderator you need to work on objectivism and not the amount of comment you provoke by your emotional mental health.

Antonio1:


Agree with you 100%!!!!

Josean is very tiresome and annoying with the same old rhetoric "Leonel and the metro"

when it comes to whining and complaining he is the king

Cardinal Nicky, say Buenas Noches and go to bed for good. You are one ponderous man. Don't you ever get tired of hearing yourself pontificate.

The monkey wants to punish DR. First dismantle CAFTA-DR and now human rights violations (police abuse?)! Stop the King Kong before he destroys DR!

Nicolai, your mouth it's a "Letrina".


Puerco Cimarron. !!!!

Nicky slaps Carlito!

http://www.diariolibre.com/noticias_det.php?id=190398

Dear Nicky,

I would hope you can read in English..

1.The military march-past has been suspended by decision of the president," an armed forces spokesman said. The crime involving soldiers and police has raised alarm among local business and church leaders who fear it will damage the Dominican Republic's image as a major Caribbean tourist destination for North American and European tourists.

2. Why are my Dominican inlaws repulsed anytime they see your face or hear your voice?
3. Does the Pope agree with your methods and crap that comes out of your pie-hole ?
4. If you pull that hat down a bit and cut some eye-holes out ... well need I say more?

Next time you want to slam my country for only stating the facts and statistic's, look in the mirror first.

To the rest of all the Good Domincan's and devout Catholic's "Felice Dia de Independncia"

Written by: ZonaDominicana, 26 Feb 2009 3:54 PM
From: United States, San Diego, California
The Cardinal is right because there is a lot of discrimination in the U.S. , The problems of the Dominican Republic can only be fixed through better education; not announcements on TV, but education in the classroom. The mean time, poor education will lead to unemployment, garbage every where, unable to pay the utility bills, etc.
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Education begins at home and if the parents don't discipline their children then education is a waste of time.

Dominicans are some of the cleanest people in their homes and by far some of dirtiest out side.
If the public services are not what they should be then community leaders and citizens need to form their own methods.
.
Stop stealing electricity so the power companies can reduce rates and make it affordable for all.

"4. If you pull that hat down a bit and cut some eye-holes out ... well need I say more?"

Mr. Jander, no you don't, we copy loud and clear, have a great Holiday!

The cardinal expressed a personal opinion, he did not speak in the name of the church.

I would like the cardinal to express his REAL opinion about Leonel.Why is he doing this to begin with. Does he want to to be a president.Is funny he is speaking out here but never said anything back in late 70s and early 80s in San Francisco when everybody needed him to really speak out since he was a big voice there.A Couple of people dead by police was no problem but calling on OUR corrupted goverment to clean up is not.My aunt was killed in 1981 5 blocks away from his church and the cop that shot her was found but only did 23 days in jail.Where were you Mr. Cardinal 27 yrs later i still got her picture in my living room waiting for justice.Her husband back then commited suicide after that. Where were you Mr Cardinal You are such a Fraud. She was only 22 yrs old

This is better than street theater. I wonder how much he got paid to be the attempted hatchet man:) Catholic Priests on Morals is hilarious telling the US to get its act together first? Meaning business as usual in the DR? Thats a good Dominican Christian upbringing for you.

You all knock Josean but I don't remember a thing she said that wasn't correct. You all are just mad because she said it first. Leonel is starting to get a bad rap here even from you shameless immoral Dominicans! That is also hilarious.

Thank you Escott, and Josean is he and he loves ALL the shes!

belly51,

I am sorry for your loss!

I could be wrong but I have never seen a picture of this "red bird" comforting any poor person. Remember in 2007 during the hurricanes and floods he was no where to be found. But let one of his multimillionaire friends, with wealth from dubious means, get stepped on the toe and he goes to DEFCON 1 in their defense.

He is like any other political lackey, he is not defending Lie-onel Fernandez, who I suspect in private he sees as a "DARKIE," but rather his BOTELLA.

In a country were schools are needed so desperately it is outrageous that the government builds churches at the expense of more important priorities.

So you see one hand washes the other, or should I say covers up for the other!

Josean

Thank you

So you see one hand washes the other, or should I say covers up for the other!

I think the whole sea won't be enought water to wash these two crooks, covering each other sounds a lot more acurate.he may be feeling the pressure from all that is coming to light and scare may spread to churches(including him) and now want to use reverse psychology to make the public look the other way.Mr Cardinal may god have mercy on your soul.Because i don't

JD,
In response to your comment on the James Byrd killing in Texas, Bush was not silent on the issue and the persons who commited the crime were tried, convicted and sentenced to Death. There was a outcry by numerous grups for stronger (already existing) "Hate crime" legislation which Bush refused to act on by the premise "that all crimes of this nature are hate crimes". It should be noted that the convicted murders were white supremacists and this could have happened to a hispanic, Egyptian, Indian or any other person who was not one of them, including another white person who did not see things "their way".

James Byrd stories

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-494186931.html

Governor Perry signs Hate Crime legislation

http://www.rickross.com/reference/hate_groups/hategroups307.html

Apparently Cardinal Nicky and President Chavez have more in common than liking to wear RED!

http://www.elnuevodia.com/diario/....denuncia_informe_de_ee.uu./538906

josean
That report had nothing to do with the present policies of the Obama administration. It was done under Bush's state department guidelines.
As much as I dislike Chavez and his obvious leanings to the "dark side", the claim for the extradition of Luis Posadas Carriles is not entirely out of the question, unless some new facts come to light,
and he may have a genuine beef with the US since Posada caused the death of many innocent civilians
by his terrorist acts blowing up a civilian plane, and should not be protected by US laws.

Professor,

It will be difficult to extradite with athony c providing twenty four armed guard protection to the Terrorist Luis Posadas Carriles with his Daisy BB rifle, Roy Rogers edition!

WTF ...religion and politics don't go together. What is he doing commenting on anything, Is he denying the problem exists or just ignoring them like everyone else? If he is truly a man of God then he should recognize the problem, not cast blame and get off is fat ass and build some social programs to address the issues instead of acting like a politician and running off a the mouth.

Danny00 let me remind you that USA thru the years has set the trend for early sexual liberation among teenagers. You might be a product of that!!
Tell that to Britney, Lidsay Lohan and the rest of your teenager junkies actresses and singers. If you don’t know most American girls loose their virginity by 11 or twelve.

Cardinal well said.
What is going on? DR and Dominicans are being attacked, we are, for no reason under a microscope, and the Cardinal as a knowledgeable person knows that. He knows our weakness. So what, USA as a developed country has more to say than us.

"What is going on? DR and Dominicans are being attacked, we are, for no reason under a microscope, and the Cardinal as a knowledgeable person knows that. He knows our weakness. So what, USA as a developed country has more to say than us."

There it is...the typical Dominican attitude....it is not our fault...blame someone else...which is exactly the reason they have so many problems. So many and so serious that it is gaining world attention. So join your cardinal buddy, who is oh so knowledgable on worldly events (what has he done for the DR lately other than complain) , and wake up and quit avoiding the issues ( by the way where are you ignoring the problem from???? the US ah, why is that?)

Tejano,
Read my post "He knows our weakness" meaning the obvious. You're definitely naive in assuming the opposite.
As an example, do you know that not too long ago there was a silly article published in a Miami newspaper implying that Dominican women are trying to deny our afro ethnicity by straightening our hair? When this is a fashion worldwide to have straight hair up to last year, even in china straighten their hair, Silly isn't it? If you have been following the news you might discover that they are working on these issues.

"Dominican women are trying to deny our afro ethnicity by straightening our hair"

what does an inferiority complex have to do with this blowhard ignoring serious social issues....catholics need to rethink birth control!

Because he knows our weakness, and we as a society knows are aware as well of those facts, he's trying to stop some group keeping on pointing fingers at us and shovering it on our face to embarrass us and those same groups behavior have more to say than us. Good for him. I hope next time he shows the other gorups dirty cloths too.

well that stands to reason as pointing fingers and not being responsible/accountable is certainly a dominican trait.