SANTO DOMINGO. – Four Dominican Air Force (FAD) aviators survived uninjured when their small plane crashed in the Caribbean Sea, near the southwest city Barahona.
The FAD 4–passenger, twin-engine plane took off Thursday morning from the border town Pedernales headed to San Isidro Airbase in Santo Domingo province.
The four aviators, two men and two women, were rescued in Neiba bay a Dominican Navy craft and taken to the Barahona command at 10:40 a.m.
One of the survivors is colonel Fuentes Soto, though the three other occupants were not identified.
Written by: brootto, 19 Mar 2009 12:17 PM
From: United States, South West Florida
most likely that aircraft was performing those exercises, so you can image their capabilities and their qualities, how can they compete with the narco aircraft no way.
Written by: juanb, 19 Mar 2009 12:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Side note:
Unfortunately all of the "packages" that they were carrying were lost.
From: United States, Yonkers, NY
I guess that leaves only 1 plane now..............
Written by: BLANCO, 19 Mar 2009 1:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Unfortunately all of the "packages" that they were carrying were lost.
the airport is in capo rojos which has a dock facilitnearby
From: United States
get them some practice before they get the tucanos...hmmm..
Written by: temetito, 19 Mar 2009 3:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I think that they where drinking some brugal extra viejo.
Written by: antonio1, 19 Mar 2009 4:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Glad they are all safe and with their families.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Glad everyone survived.
Let's investigate the accident and implement corrective actions and training if necessary.
Let's build an exemplary air force, worhty of respect of citizens, residents and foreigners.
May God watch over those who honestly, valiantly and unselfishly pledge to defend our country and constitution.
Written by: ABR23, 19 Mar 2009 5:30 PM
From: Puerto Rico
The sorry part is that the aircraft in cuestion was still in litigation as the pilot/owner had it confiscated due to a passenger carrying undeclared funds. The passenger was the Air Force Major. Who later said, knew nothing of the event and is currently pending trial.
The judge stated that the Aircraft could not be confiscated before trial and was sent to the Airforce for detention until the trial ended. (someday).
How quaint that the 2 pilots had 2 females Lieutenants on board. Most of these pilots had no time in that type aircraft and likely over reved the turbos, ruining both engines.
I guess the owner now will be charged for removing it from the water.
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
ABR23;
Are you clairvoyant? Howdo you know the pilots had no time in type. What was the type to begin with. Is that posted someplace else because thereis certainly no mention of such in this artilce.
How do you know it was turbo-charged? It could have been a model with normally aspyrated engines. And the background on the aircraft? There is no mention of it here. What is your source(s)????
TexasBill
Written by: ABR23, 19 Mar 2009 11:17 PM
From: Puerto Rico
My Crystal Ball is EL NACIONAL.
It stated that the aircraft was a a CA-34, which is wrong as their is no such aircraft. They meant a PA-34 which is a Piper Seneca (1-2 or 3), twin engine. It is a 6 seater not a four seater as stated in the news.
This is an airplane which they only have 1 other in DR belongs to Imbert the Arquitecht, doubt he lends it to FAD. They do not use them in training or for rent for the same reason the turbos are easy to over-boost. U can also miscalculate fuel. May be the other reason as it is hard to lose both engines and it will fly with one. DIARIO LIBRE quotes fuel starvation
So, it is not that they were not capable or licensed, just not used to it. The difference of a Mustang and a Shelby 5 Speed with a 6 Barrel Carb, look the same but very different.
They had several High Wing Planes available, which is what you use in this type patrol as you can see below better, than a low wing Piper. But the gals would not be so comfy
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
ABR23;
I am very familiar with the Piper Seneca, having used several different year models teaching multi-engine students in my flight school over the years.
We never experienced a problem with "turbo overboost" because of the mechanism of the exhaust flow control governing the turbo speed. Are you perhaps confusing the turbo system used on the Beech QueenAir engines where ram-recovery was always a booger-bear to a pilot inexperienced in flying that aircraft or the early Aero Commanders which used the same engine?
I would venture to speculate contaminated fuel or fuel exhaustion as the culprit in this accident. Either one of those two causes or just plain inadequate pre-flight during which the fuel cells were not visually checked by removing the tank caps. "Kick the tires and light the fires" has been the cause of many accidents in the past and seems to be the case here. Lets not blame the aircraft, but rather the lack of professionalism of the pilot instead.
TexasBill
From: United States
i just love it when TEX gets technical, or Tex-nichal, or something. nothing like listening to a master of his field.
Written by: ABR23, 20 Mar 2009 7:34 PM
From: Puerto Rico
Well I was in San Isidro painting My C-177 when they were trying to "fix this Seneca" which was in perfect working order before it was confiscated for investigation. The aircraft just went through an annual and they were reving it with the cowlings off for hours. On Off-On-Off red line it, lean it.
All we talked about being a moot subject since they already admitted to ATC that they were low on fuel when they lost the 1st engine. Unless, the other engine ran on something else. "HOPE"
But more than likely they will give the idiot pilot a medal for landing and not killing anyone the Dominican Capt Sully (u get what u pay 4).
Hey a marine pilot flew over Coronado Naval Station in a bad plane to land at El Toro, never making it and killed himself and 4 civilians. What happened to them happens weekly to many pilots in many places. But when u have an 8 plane Airforce 1 loss is alot.
Written by: ABR23, 20 Mar 2009 7:38 PM
From: Puerto Rico
How goes the line from the Movie CONTACT: The most simple answer may be the right one.
Do not seek mechanical or conspiratorial theories, when stupidy and ignorance will suffice to establish the events.
From: Haiti
lollllllllllllllllolllll...funny
Unfortunately all of the "packages" that they were carrying were lost.
the airport is in capo rojos which has a dock facilitnearby
Let's investigate the accident and implement corrective actions and training if necessary.
Let's build an exemplary air force, worhty of respect of citizens, residents and foreigners.
May God watch over those who honestly, valiantly and unselfishly pledge to defend our country and constitution.
The judge stated that the Aircraft could not be confiscated before trial and was sent to the Airforce for detention until the trial ended. (someday).
How quaint that the 2 pilots had 2 females Lieutenants on board. Most of these pilots had no time in that type aircraft and likely over reved the turbos, ruining both engines.
I guess the owner now will be charged for removing it from the water.
Are you clairvoyant? Howdo you know the pilots had no time in type. What was the type to begin with. Is that posted someplace else because thereis certainly no mention of such in this artilce.
How do you know it was turbo-charged? It could have been a model with normally aspyrated engines. And the background on the aircraft? There is no mention of it here. What is your source(s)????
TexasBill
It stated that the aircraft was a a CA-34, which is wrong as their is no such aircraft. They meant a PA-34 which is a Piper Seneca (1-2 or 3), twin engine. It is a 6 seater not a four seater as stated in the news.
This is an airplane which they only have 1 other in DR belongs to Imbert the Arquitecht, doubt he lends it to FAD. They do not use them in training or for rent for the same reason the turbos are easy to over-boost. U can also miscalculate fuel. May be the other reason as it is hard to lose both engines and it will fly with one. DIARIO LIBRE quotes fuel starvation
So, it is not that they were not capable or licensed, just not used to it. The difference of a Mustang and a Shelby 5 Speed with a 6 Barrel Carb, look the same but very different.
They had several High Wing Planes available, which is what you use in this type patrol as you can see below better, than a low wing Piper. But the gals would not be so comfy
I am very familiar with the Piper Seneca, having used several different year models teaching multi-engine students in my flight school over the years.
We never experienced a problem with "turbo overboost" because of the mechanism of the exhaust flow control governing the turbo speed. Are you perhaps confusing the turbo system used on the Beech QueenAir engines where ram-recovery was always a booger-bear to a pilot inexperienced in flying that aircraft or the early Aero Commanders which used the same engine?
I would venture to speculate contaminated fuel or fuel exhaustion as the culprit in this accident. Either one of those two causes or just plain inadequate pre-flight during which the fuel cells were not visually checked by removing the tank caps. "Kick the tires and light the fires" has been the cause of many accidents in the past and seems to be the case here. Lets not blame the aircraft, but rather the lack of professionalism of the pilot instead.
TexasBill
All we talked about being a moot subject since they already admitted to ATC that they were low on fuel when they lost the 1st engine. Unless, the other engine ran on something else. "HOPE"
But more than likely they will give the idiot pilot a medal for landing and not killing anyone the Dominican Capt Sully (u get what u pay 4).
Hey a marine pilot flew over Coronado Naval Station in a bad plane to land at El Toro, never making it and killed himself and 4 civilians. What happened to them happens weekly to many pilots in many places. But when u have an 8 plane Airforce 1 loss is alot.
Do not seek mechanical or conspiratorial theories, when stupidy and ignorance will suffice to establish the events.