this should be a convenient place for an allout internet brawl ......who will fire the first shot ?.......gridley

"Dios, patria y libertad"

i see the potential for a record here. 200 posts by midnight?

I am surprise dt didn't block this post.

I thought Leonel was the guy on the horse at first.

Pedro Santana a la carga carajo!!!!! Dios, Patria y Libertad pa' fuera haitianos!!!!!

some may say he is the rear end of the horse .....

i wonder about the identity of some of the members of that category to whom you allude, GC. speaking of which; where in Sam Hill is Josean these days?

Why the need for an internet brawl over the celebration of a date in Dominican history? This battle has been fought already. It seems to me that some posters are into fanning the flames of ignorance that exists on this site.

cibaeno, your customary civility is no secret to members of this site. that does not mean that this is not going to probably end up with several forays into name calling and vitriol. nobody needs to fan any flames; the arsonists are already waiting in the wings, as we write.

Yea but if you call the devil chances are he'll take you up on your invite.

The Haitian troops of General Hérard's army commanded by Tomas Hector were ambushed in Azua
by Dominican patriots with some cannons and muskets, but mainly repulsed by an angry populace
armed with sticks, stones, machetes and agricultural plows.
The Haitian commander Vicent Degales was decapitated and the Haitian army now demoralized
ran in retreat.
That is why the Azuans gained a reputation of "tira piedras". My grandfather who was from Azua
always told the stories of Azuans carrying a few "callaos" (smooth stones) in their pockets "just in case" trouble brewed ahead.

dreadlocks asked: "where in Sam Hill is Josean these days?"

My best guess is that he's lining up for the chance of getting a contract for the new line of the Metro. LOL

i hope that is the case, Mr Lautaro, and nothing more serious. i do miss his spin on things, and a little pepper has been lost on this site for the last few weeks.

Josean is lighting fires in Satiago putting his merit badges to work .....or thr PRD stopped his paycheck

josean has been known in the past to take long hiatuses from postings.
Much like the hibernation process that bears put themselves through until winter ceases.
Today is the first day of spring!

Thank you Generoso for your historical insight of the battle in Azua. Pedro Santana was a man determined to vanquish the Haitian invaders from our soil, THANK GOD.....

But right now they seem to try to reclaim it indirectly, beware.

Dios, Patria y Libertad!!! QUE VIVA LA REPUBLICA DOMINICANA!!!!!!

".......victory over Haitians," yeah, says who? I would not cry victory quite yet.
We are still fighting, only this time it is a non-violent battle.

"Today is the first day of spring!"

ould've fooled me. It was snowing up here this morning.

I agree with guillermone, just look at Texas, new mexico, arizona and california up to 75% spanish musty Mexicans so if we don't control the immigration issues with haiti soon thing will be like those states i just mention.

I will make a comment that will highlight Dominican historical impartiality:
Jacques Viau Renaud was a Haitian born cultured poet and teacher of Dominican students in the Liceo Dominicano.
His father Alfred Viau was a papa doc Duvalier opponent in the 1956 elections and being a light skin mulatto was forced by Duvalierists black supremacists to leave Haiti under death threats.
He commanded the Haitian commando who fought bravely in the Dominican 1965 civil war, and was a teacher, a poet, as well as a master gunsmith, being in charge of the repair of guns and equipment during the 1965 revolution.
His and the other Haitian commandos innovation in the repairs of guns was legendary, and he was one of the biggest assets for the contitutionalists Dominican forces in the "guerra patria".
His personal valor was unquestioned and he was blown up with many other brave Haitian fighters
during a mortar attack.
Though mortally wounded he died after many days in agony reciting poetry.

They expelled a mulatto from Haiti noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought those haitians were so pro anti-racist????? So i was wrong????? just being sarcastic. Everybody knows that Haiti is an extremely racist country. Founded under a racist construct, now that's the truth.

victory over the haitians? really! i did not know that the war was over. from the look of things, it still rages, unabated.

today is a beautiful day to drink brugal anejo.

that explains everything. from the look of your postings, you probably say that every morning at 5 am, and start making good on it by 5.15.

War of words, war of words only.
Dominicans are not an aggressive neighbor, we have never invaded Haiti and Haitians have invaded us militarily 11 times. 11 times! That has to be one of the world records for trying to conquer
a neighboring country!
After the US intervention in 1916 "braceros" were imported to work sugar cane fields exclusively because they worked cheaper than Dominicans. This started the "friendly" economic invasion of
the 20 th century.
After the terrible koope kotto-a masacre in the border towns in 1937 many Haitians as well as Haitian Dominicans fled back to Haiti.
Beginning in the 1960's Haitian sugar cane and construction and agricultural workers started
to be imported in quantities by Dominican military and civilian counterparts.
In the 1980's following the fall of the Duvalier dynasty the exodus to DR became more pronounced until it reached the unmanageable status at present classified as a "friendly invasion".

The day is a good reminder that nations should first look to each other and prevent their leaders from dragging them into bloody adventures. Many Dominicans as well as Haitians lost their lives in those battles, while the leaders of the invasion sucked the little money of most of the Haitians to dominate another poor people.

Cacique
So true, it always happens, after the battle comes the licking of each others wounds. And then you realize that both sides lost and only the same vampires and blood suckers benefitted from the all the blood that was spilled.
Meanwhile the populace that was duped pays time and time again, and just like in the present time
the GD politicians and eternal "cara duras" get rich while the poor get poorer.
The Haitian government mismanaging has been a historical "faux pas" and Haiti is the oldest nation after the USA and at the same time the poorest one in the hemisphere.
Who is to blame but the ruling class.

While Pedro Santana annexed our country to Spain, an act of treason, he still needs to be regarded as a hero for we are free today because of him... This treason is not so profound, i think, because not long before, spain was the mother country, and there were lots of people who desire to return to her.

We can hate the man but we should not forget his good qualities, for if he had failed we would still be annexed to haiti or fighting a guerrilla warfare!

Vacanos... Everyday is a good day to drink Brugal extra viejo. LOL

Give me a break! what victory? I am laughing, rolling on the floor. Haitian can talk about victory by defeating the Spanish, the English and the French. Again, give me a break! Do the Dominicans also celebrate the occupation?

vacanos, i am not trying to diminish anything, least of all, you. you have done a pretty good job of that , unassisted.

DR should celebrate treason instead.

If you go to some parts of Santiago and Santo Domingo, it looks as if the Haitians have invavded once again..............

The Haitians can teach you what it means to celebrate victory: Toussaint, Dessalines, Petion...etc

Citizen said: "DR should celebrate treason instead."

Is getting rid of an inept and corrupt government treason? If people were to think like you, then the americans would still be King George's boys to this day.

Citizen said: "The Haitians can teach you what it means to celebrate victory: Toussaint, Dessalines, Petion...etc"

How, may I ask? If one looks at them today, then there's nothing to celebrate. Instead, there are enough instances to weep oneself out that is not even funny. As the yanks would say, it's the present day that counts. Lo demás es buche y pluma.

Citizen_of_the_World
We have to assume you are the new reincarnation of the previously banned Haitian_Liberator_No.1.
Well monsieur our cannons are ready to fire and our powder is dry if you don't behave yourself this time.
Or do you like being booted out? Your bunda must be sore.

by carlosfranco "While Pedro Santana annexed our country to Spain, an act of treason, he still needs to be regarded as a hero for we are free today because of him... This treason is not so profound, i think, because not long before, spain was the mother country, and there were lots of people who desire to return to her."



i agree with that statement. as must i detest pedro santana for exiled Duarte. i think he should be regarded as a hero. without him there will probably be no DR. carlos another reason some domininan at the time tried to annexed our country to spain or to the usa because of the frequent haitian invation. santana and trujillo are two dominican cant hate or love. mixed feeling. hicieron cosas buena y mala.

The two names have the same M.O. (modus operandi).LOL.. as always the generous one has his sight well zeroed in.

citizen of the world "The Haitians can teach you what it means to celebrate victory: Toussaint, Dessalines, Petion...etc"


where were you born? if you feel like saying.

Dominican Republic is so awesome we have " foreigners" wanting to be Dominicans or in this case pretending to be Dominicans"

long live Duarte, Sanchez, Mella, El General Pedro Santana, Antonio Duverge, Gregorio Luperon y los demas heroes independentistas que con sus machetes crearon nuestra republica, la cual es amada O envidiada por muchos " extrangeros".

by old school trinitario "Dominican Republic is so awesome we have " foreigners" wanting to be Dominicans or in this case pretending to be Dominicans"


pretending to be dominican? i see it here every freaking day. unos cuantos aqui dicen que son dominicanos but just watch their writing how these "dominicanos" stab us in the back. saying everything the ngo had been saying about us.

Maybe DT.com missed reporting about it but are there celebrations of the important moments/battles of the Restauracion?

Also another battle I'd expect to see commemorated alongside this one is Palo Hincado waaay back. It may come as a surprise to C_of_the_W but Dominicans also faced off against and defeated Napoleonic troops, hand to hand.

"Also another battle I'd expect to see commemorated alongside this one is Palo Hincado waaay back. It may come as a surprise to C_of_the_W but Dominicans also faced off against and defeated Napoleonic troops, hand to hand."

Actually the last french troops on the island were indeed expelled by our ancestors in the very battle you mentioned, Palo Hincado, which took place some five years after the Battle of Vertieres, the last major battle in which the Haitians engaged the French and which is considered the victory that sealed haitian independence.

You should not be surprised at that attitude of his, Manny, seeing as how people like him has made historical revisionism a way of life. Another thing that he olimpically omits to mention is the fact that, were it not for the british blockade of the island's ports, the haitian rebels would have been crushed by an unending wave of reinforcements, as their counterparts of Martinique and Guadeloupe were before the reopening of hostilities between France and the UK. In fact, that is the main reason explaining why Petion and Boyer agreed to make the country pay reparations to the former french colonists as easily as they did, cuz' they knew that they wouldn't stand a chance in the long run if they kept themselves on a war footing with their former metropole.

Laut ...yeah I understand the Brits were hanging outside Samana as well when Palo Hincado took place. At this point it is fair to say the French were more than battle hardened, led by Napoleon's own brother-in-law, and still ejected by untrained and lightly armed colonists. It's too bad not much positive came in the immediate aftermath.

As for Santana as a hero I think vacanos had a rare moment of clarity in pointing out he is one that is difficult to paint as either hero or villain.

"Another thing that he olimpically omits to mention is the fact that, were it not for the british blockade of the island's ports, the haitian rebels would have been crushed by an unending wave of reinforcements, as their counterparts of Martinique and Guadeloupe were before the reopening of hostilities between France and the UK."

I wouldn't agree with that assesment. The British committed many troops and funds to securing Haiti for themselves to no avail but it wasn't for lack of trying. Thousands of British soldiers took their last breaths in Haiti.

"yeah I understand the Brits were hanging outside Samana as well when Palo Hincado took place."

The British were actually blockading Santo Domingo city during said engagement. The commander of the French forces who succeeded Ferrand preferred to capitulate to the British rather than surrender to the criollos.

Yes, but they later came to the realization that, if they couldn't keep that colony to themselves, they would better deny its possession to everyone else. In fact, Thomas Maitland (the CO of the british expeditionary force), tried to coerce Toussaint in declaring the colony independent in the treaty that he signed with him for the british evacuation of the island (along with Toussaint declaring himself as the island's king), by guaranteeing british protection to the island against any french attempt on his rule. As you already know, Toussaint politely declined the offer, although Bonaparte would later use these dealings as a pretext to get rid of him. Also, you have to take into account that their sales of weaponry to the rebels (along with the americans) played a huge role in the rebels' boldness during the struggle (an act of racial disloyalty that Leclerc bitterly complained against).

Thanks for the clarification cib, don't have any of my books handy but I did recall their involvement in the situation.

Choices of men like Touissaint and Santana on whether to turn on the colonial master or remain loyal will always be obfuscated by the hundreds of years between our reality and theirs. Also something I've said before in regards to Duarte but applies to many of them is that principles and philosophical/political positions meant much more to these generations than in today's world, where there is no shortage of keyboard revolutionaries, armchair generals, and backseat driver political scientists.

No ugly squabbles so far ....history and information being exchanged civilly so far...but for sure some one will throw a turd into the abanico at any moment

"...but for sure some one will throw a turd into the abanico at any moment"

Now that you've given them their cue I'm sure someone will come out of the wood work.

splattershields up.....and caution uneven distribution

i don't know why we just din't took over the whole island, when we beat the s??t out of the haitians and send then back to africa. that's the only thing that i din't like about ours trinitarios.

a direct hit on the propeller blade.....duck for what comes next

"As for Santana as a hero I think vacanos had a rare moment of clarity in pointing out he is one that is difficult to paint as either hero or villain. "

Santana was obviously brave. He was no coward. That much at least can be respected by anyone in any time and place. I think that Santana's shortcomings stem from the fact that the man was a BURRO. All contemporary accounts of Santana that I've come across attest to his vulgar language and mannerisms. El hombre era un puro producto del hato de su tiempo. The man had no sense of history nor of his place in it and, in my opinion, it was this inability to conceptualize that lead him to make decisions that were not only detrimental to his legacy but to his people as a whole.

If Santana would've not turned the country over to Spain it would be Santana's face that would've adorned the Dominican peso, it would've been Santana and Santana only that would've been considered the father of the Republic, and today we Dominicans would be using "Santana" and "Libertador" interchangeably.

cibaeño said: "If Santana would've not turned the country over to Spain it would be Santana's face that would've adorned the Dominican peso, it would've been Santana and Santana only that would've been considered the father of the Republic, and today we Dominicans would be using "Santana" and "Libertador" interchangeably."

Actually, the same could be said about Juan Sanchez Ramirez after Palo Hincado. And he was not without an example to follow, cuz' at the same moment he was fighting for Spain here, the United Provinces of the River Plate (present day Argentina), were throwing off the spanish yoke from their colective necks. Many historians said that Sanchez Ramirez was an idol of Santana's, so it's not an outlandish thing to say that the "el taita del Prado" was following in his footsteps when taking his dreadful resolution.

amo mi patria!!!

Well go on guys I am learning and taking notes! Great exchange and lucid historical interpretation
that only persons that have Dominican cultural immersion can decipher so well.
I agree with Ciby on Santana, the man was a bruto brute, reminds me of Hipoloco in a way, maybe Hipo was a direct descendant, had the same genes anyway, and was a hatero and frustrated guardia.

genoroso on which of the Virgins are you presently mounted or residing

GC
Exact location is classified. I keep moving to stay healthy and breathing and away from the wrath of the "dark forces".
And I don't mean the Haitians in more ways than one. LOL.

Continuation..... Remember the Haitian Revolution was successful because of the large number of slaves vs. the very small French white populace. The massacres of 1791 got the whites in Haiti out of the way. Then an individual by the name of Toussaint Louverture decided to take different sides, when he found convenient for his own personal gain. First he joined the Spanish, then he was thinking of joining the British by request from some Haitians, but he then changed his mind again and finally joined the French for no avail he was betrayed and bamboozled by Napoleon, a man that supposedly exchanged correspondence with. Despite that he was jailed and died in prison by Napoleon's personal choice. While Toussaint found himself in control of the whole island he invited a few french colonist back to Haiti, shortly after in 1803 those French found themselves massacred by Dessalines and his faction. So in short the story of Haiti is one tragedy after another.

In short as for Pedro Santana is concerned he annexed the country to Spain to strengthen it's military, the D.R. side had a smaller population than Haiti. Haiti's constant incursions were seen as a threat, so naturally the assistance of another country was required.

Gizmo, how dare you teach me the history of a mighty nation like Haiti the empire. I think you'd better off lecturing Dominicans about their history. Haitian history is sacred and the whole world knows it. You just can't touch it with your disgusting propaganda.

Pour le drapeau pour la patrie mourir est beau. Liberte ou la mort!

Haiti = Power

No one ,friends and foes alike asked for me
Well i am in Puerto Plata.
just a reminder :Preval will be meeting with Fernadez on the 24 th.
Please no nasty remarks.
Post all diaribes and vent your rancor now
I want all of you to be on your best behabior on the 24th

Well even brutos can figure out where their economic interests lay! Interests of Santana and his class were not on the same page as the balance of the population, though the people of course followed strong men like Santana. Between him and Baez they were plotting to protect their positon via annexation, but it is interesting to note the annexation doesn't occur until the US is distracted by civil war. As for the people it took all of two years to remember what inept and terrible imperialists the Spanish had always been.

Well Manhattanite i rather be annexed to Spain than Haiti anytime any how. The fact is we became independent from Spain in 1821, and then the Haitians under the cruel dictator Boyer decided to invade the D.R. side of the island. You could talk what you want and rant as you like, but Pedro Santana made the right choice to an extent..... Dios Patria y Libertad!

ettienc01: "No one ,friends and foes alike asked for me
Well i am in Puerto Plata.
just a reminder :Preval will be meeting with Fernadez on the 24 th.
Please no nasty remarks.
Post all diaribes and vent your rancor now
I want all of you to be on your best behabior on the 24th"

Not according to this:

http://www.espacinsular.org/spip.php?article7366

Apparently, that reunion was only a proposal by our chancellor, one that, as always, fell on deaf ears.

SANTANA MY HERO! When the Herard's vanguard troops attacked, Santana's entrenched forces shot their cannons and the Dominican infantry fired at closed range killing several Haitian soldiers and officers. The huge gaping hole in the Haitian infantry made them realize the cost was too high and they retrieve back to Azua. The ingenous of Santana was to use jungle fighting tatics to wear down a numerically superior army. Santana then relocated to Bani using the mountains as a barrier to slow down a possible Haitian advance. Then the ignorant Duarte came by and almost forced Santana to conduct a suicidal attack on the stationed Haitian forces in Azua! Santana a very experienced military man did the correct thing of adapting a defensive posture to defend STO DGO! And it payed off, since the Haitian forces left after the faked Herard's death!

in 1916, the americans brought the Haitians to DR for sugar cane cultivation and harvesting not BECAUSE THEY WERE CHEAPER, they did this because the Americans were facing numerous Haitian uprising in Haiti and to break up organized sabotage they decided to send some to DR so that DR can pay for it's debt with the Europeans and the Americans themselves!

We also have Máximo Gómez which went to Cuba and helped them become independent too.

Gizmo is right! Haiti forced DR to ask Spain for annexation. The numerous invasions 1801, 1805, 1822, 1845, 1849, and 1855 and the threat of another invasion in 1859 by Soulouque forced Santana and others to seek Spaniard's protection!

So don't come here to vomit the idea that annexation was for securing Santana's political power via Spanish administration only! THAT IS BOLOGNE! Only idiots believe such a naive reason!

I still want someone to explain why our 1844 flag had no colors or references to the Spanish flag? Spain gave us language, culture, infrastructure, racial distribution, and a colony for us to completely erase them from our identity and past! DR you may a stupid mistake for having chosen the colors and symbols in our flag!

The haitians took the french flag, turned it sideway and took the white out. So we took that haitian flag and put a big white cross over it. The first dominican flag had two blue squares on top and two red squares at the bottom and a white cross in the middle.

what is to celebrate...Haiti weaken by the France s debt. The reason of the occupation was to secure the island from the France army cause Boyer thought the Dominicans will let the france army used their territory to invade Haiti. while paying the debt, we didn t have enough energy to maitain an occupation...So the DR Independance was unevitable...

this all reminds me of these people that re stage historic battles of the US civil war Gettysburg etc .....The Blues versus the Greys in all their authenticity and pomp and splendor ....But I am afraid if you guys did it you would all be fighting over the generals uniforms

haitian101 "what is to celebrate...Haiti weaken by the France s debt. The reason of the occupation was to secure the island from the France army cause Boyer thought the Dominicans will let the france army used their territory to invade Haiti. while paying the debt, we didn t have enough energy to maitain an occupation...So the DR Independance was unevitable..."

And the subsequent failed invasion of 1845, 1849, and 1855 1856 also to "secure" the island from the French army right. had the Haitian gotten away with their imperialist dream today we would had been living under the sun 24/7 with no tree left having the international community feed us and the one not getting food from the UN would had to eat dirt mixed with water in order not to starve to death. dude aren’t you happy at least one part of island still green, exporting food to other nation and a big line of foreign investor waiting to bring their hard cash to the eastern part of the island even in these difficult time

I agree that this is a day for Añejo.

Good finish would be a green cards for foreigners (Haitians are foreigners si o no?)
Monthly fee, tax collect, fix the roads.

Generalisimo

Spring is a nice time

Generoso, that is the best post in the whole page... thanks for telling that story that was fun and interesting at the same time. Dios, Patria y Liberta.

Skiller55
Thank you.

miloskorac
During Trujillo Haitians that were living and working in DR had to pay a sizable yearly tax to contribute to the state in the form of contribution to their ID card.
I propose doing the same thing, I mean they take advantage of our infrastructure, roads, transportation, housing, security, education and health facilities, they should at the least pay some taxes.

To the septic hole who suggested that Haiti invaded STO DGO/DR to close the entrance of the French army in the island, NO ONE BELIEVE THAT CRAP!

One more time, France had an excellent Navy. If Haiti was worried about a French invasion, the last thing you want to do is to spread your forces over a bigger area or coastline against a Navy that can land anywhere!!!!! Only a stupid person will believe that spreading forces over a territory where the natives hated them would have really protected Port of Pigs from a french invasion!

The prudent thing is to concentrate your forces in your country and narrow down the angle of attack of France!

So please stop vomitting stupidity on this topic!

What about the stupid military mistake that Duarte almost forced Santana to attack the Haitian troops stationed in Azua (a flat area) that if carried out will have remove the line of defense STO DGO had from the west!

And yet we celebrate Duarte and not Santana as hero! The heck with all of you! SANTANA is the true Dominican Hero!

Trujillo what we want to know is why we kept anything to do with Spain away from our flag and patriotic symbols?

And why Santana is not honor as a liberator? And please don't say the annexation because that was driven by a much bigger force than just Santana!!!!!

Long Live The DOMINICANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN REEPUBLICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC!we are the largest economy in the caribean and central america.

wents; what does that statement mean? can you clarify, perhaps?

Dread, don't waste your time. Blind patriotism is what actually holds a nation back. Look at the US. Largest economy compared to what? Prostitute PR (I am Puertorican)? Blocked Cuba? Take the black market and all you have is platanos and beautiful women. Not bad but not the basis of a "true" economy. Those are hard to find.

sometimes it is more than "blind patriotism", cheworks. if you study some of these postings, it appears more like blind ignorance.

maybe the foreigners will consider getting out of your country when you recall your citizens from foreign lands. yes, you heard me, letroudeballe. no more dominicans in the USA, PR, Spain, anywhere in europe, all the caribbean, etc. see how silly that sounds? now do you understand why people regard you as a nitwit?

besides, letroudeballe, you rabid ninny, what do you plan to do with the assets of foreigners when you order them out? confiscate? or will they be able to recoup their assets , investments, and cash in the bank? what happens to the economy in such a scenario? you can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk? will you give dominicans jobs to replace the ones they lose when the majority of hoteliers go back home? how about call centers, and factories? who is going to make your salami, by the way?

What does it mean to say Santana was right when within a couple of years his countrymen decided violently that he was wrong? A few mere years, not even a decade! '44 until '61 we were strong enough under Santana & Baez so what changed then? As I suggested above the annexationist plots 'coincidentally' become successful once the hands of US were tied up and couldn't keep Europeans out. Now Santana's notions do have a basis in self defense as you guys say ...but the point is despite all his brilliance the general made the wrong call on this one because we ended up FIGHTING THE VERY SPANISH TROOPS THAT SUPPOSEDLY CAME TO DEFEND US FROM HAITI!

To: Manhattanite Pedro Santana made awful mistakes that's true, but he dealt with the Haitian military incursions formidably. The victories over the Haitians were mainly tactical in the battle ground, and Pedro Santana did the job well. He also assumed the position as a dictator, wether it was merited in that period of time is questionable, some say it was needed others thought that it wasn't necessary. I think personally that he fragmented the country due to his iron fist approach. Although again the Haitian incursions especially those last ones lead by King Faustin Soulouque needed the agressiveness and skills of a Pedro Santana on the field. I do believe that his ascension to power was seen as a negative milestone by members and followers of the Trinitarios, but even Juan Pablo Duarte the main figure and leader of said group also agreed for foreign assistance to deal with the Haitian attempts and threats, of invasion and further occupation of the nascent Dominican Republic.

Dreadlocks foreigners of Haitian descent are a threat to the Dominican Republic. Other foreigners in the country are a drop in the buckett an insignificant number and not a threat at all. Maybe A.I.G. a British owned company should leave the U.S., let's see whats going to happen to the U.S. economy with their departure, remember the bailout LOL. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090303/bs_nm/us_financial_usa_bernanke

American International Group, Inc. (AIG) isn't a British firm. It has been publicly owned and traded in a US stock exchange for a long time. It was founded by an American spy/businessmen in China, and has always been run by Americans.

Gizmo I don't disagree he was a great general, however my point is Santana was right ... until he was grossly wrong, as judged by his countrymen who fought to undo his terrible decision.

the sad story of what may lay ahead this hurricane season..http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/24/world/americas/24haiti.html?_r=1

Gizmo, thank you for informing me that AIG is a british company. all these years, i had been laboring under the misconception that it was an american company. can you imagine how embarrassed the United States Congress is going to be when they realise that they have been giving all this bailuot money to a company from Britain? maybe we can ask the moderator to delete your post, so the secret does not leak any further. Obama has enough trouble as it is.

you bet he has

well, GC, the stock market thought highly of him yesterday. and the economists like his initiatives. but back to AIG for a second. this is a subject that has been on the front burner since early LAST year. yet Gizmo, the guy who referred to a scholarly article on world overpopulation as being "poorly researched", still belives it is owned by the British. now, would you take opinions on research from a guy like this?