From: United States, Yonkers, NY
Refugees from the crack wars of the early 90's. All getting out of prison now.
Written by: jacirez 
, 23 Mar 2009 1:29 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
This is not good news...Not good news at all. Specially at a time of raising crime rates...Brace for some "bad moon raising"...
By the way: Are these ex-cons send to prision in the DR upon arriving or are they free to join free society...? Does anybody knows...?
Written by: Gringo_1, 23 Mar 2009 1:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
I think they probably get their old jobs back with back-pay.
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 1:34 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Gringo_1,
This is noit good...not good at all. These are violent criminal, hardened by years in the U.S penal system...This is our very own Marielitos crisis...
Written by: Gringo_1, 23 Mar 2009 1:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
I agree. But just two weeks ago they released the driver of Pauli's cocaine candy wagon and even though he was caught driving over a kilo of cocaine here in the DR---"he broke no laws for which he could be charged" here in the DR. This will be no different. Especially since these guys probably committed the crimes in the US and were not extradited.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
and they will be looked up to as heroes by many youths ....how nice for us the future
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 1:49 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
gouletcolonial,
How is that any different that the glorification of crime and violence in the U.S and most part of the world for that matter...?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Yes even in Edmonchuk gold toothed knuckleheads with baseball hats on sideways sing the praises of violence and Hos and drugs and the good life
From: Spain, Ibiza, Minorca, Mallorca
With the group’s arrival the number of Dominicans repatriated by the U.S. will total 605 in less than three months this year.
What a sad commentary about a nation where the dollar (it's just paper) has taken precedence over principles. Mind you: not all have bought into this fallacious dream; but the majority of the low-life element see nothing wrong with making a fast buck. It's such a shame that such a large proportion of the youth, the males are lowering their expectations and selling out to "pipe dreams".
What a prospect? Droves of criminals coming home to corrupt the have nots, and the clueless!
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 2:01 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
ArsenioALembertJr,
How is that any different that the glorification of crime and violence in the U.S and most part of the world for that matter...? The whole Urban Music indrustry is predicated on the glorification of violence, crime and drugs...
From: United States, New York City
"and they will be looked up to as heroes by many youths ....how nice for us the future "
Looked upon as heroes?!? Do you know how ostracized deportees are in Dominican society? A dog would recieve a better welcome in most circles in DR than most deportees. Get a clue goulet.
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 2:17 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
cibaeño75,
I agree. If you manage to go to "Los Paìses:" and you get deported, you're looked upon as a failure...
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
yeah the same as those gold toothed knuckleheads with the baseball hats on sideways that you have in Edmonchuk who disparage women as Hos and delight in violence and crime yes I know they are everywhere but these just graduated from CRIME university and are on their way to our barrios
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 2:19 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
gouletcolonial,
Just so you know: Suncor Energy just Merged with Petro-Canada. We won you now, boy! Better be nice or your Canada Pension Plan Benefits will be rescinded!!!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I donated mine to poor Dominicans living on the western shores of lake Athabasca .....hurry up you may be able to cash in on a Dozen Labbatts Blue
From: United States, New York City
"yeah the same as those gold toothed knuckleheads with the baseball hats on sideways that you have in Edmonchuk who disparage women as Hos and delight in violence and crime yes I know they are everywhere but these just graduated from CRIME university and are on their way to our barrios"
Las calles son calles son calles. There are many homegrown Dominican thugs in the capital and Santiago's barrios that are every bit as dangerous as the worst of those who have been deported. I'd rather walk through East New York at night then some of the barrios in the Dominican capital. You can stop the deportations and there will still be serious delinquency in Dominican society. The deportees just serve as another scapegoat to avoid addressing more pressing and deeply rooted societal ills.
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 2:34 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
gouletcolonial,
Those living on the western shores of Lake Athabasca do not need you handouts. They pay enough taxes to keep the rest of the economy running hot, my friend; unlike the Haves-not in Ontario...Oh, what a tragedy. You lost your manufacturing base to China & Mexico! That's ok. We will keep making equalization payments until you guys get you s$%t together...
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
ciby it is a good thing you turned away from your life of crime in your youth .....I suppose you remember it well running down the street the wind blowing through your hair the sound of stop thief ringing in your ears ...those were the good old days ..right ciby
Written by: xwill7, 23 Mar 2009 2:37 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
These convicts are going to ruin paradise for everyone!
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 2:38 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
hcx27,
Don't you have a neo-nazi convention to attend...?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I have always been a fan of the electric chair ...in this case we can have electric bleachers
Written by: xwill7, 23 Mar 2009 2:42 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Too many people trying to get rich fast!
Written by: generoso, 23 Mar 2009 2:43 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
We should just tell them NO we don't want you either like the Haitian government tells the immigration authorities in the USA.
These criminals are a serious problem because they have honed their felonious expertise in prison
and now they are graduate professors of criminal activities, that are coming to DR to further pollute
the already rarefied air we are breathing.
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 2:46 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
generoso,
I propose we build a penal colony in "La Isla Beata:" off the coast of Barahona...
Written by: generoso, 23 Mar 2009 2:48 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Great idea, I second it. Never been to Beata but have been to Saona and Catalina and they are gorgeous. I hope Beata is like "Devil's Island", remember "Papillon" by Henry Charriere?
The Haitian private enterprise and politicians have a big project going on in Tortue, or Tortuga where the Pirates of the Caribbean was filmed.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Great book lousy movie ......genoroso do you think they will send your X wife back in this group ....and will she look hot in orange with the bracelets on
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 2:58 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
gouletcolonial,
hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
generoso,
Ouch!
Written by: xwill7, 23 Mar 2009 3:00 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
The X wife is here with me. Sorry she can't go.
Written by: generoso, 23 Mar 2009 3:05 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
GC
There is your answer, I had a suspicion you like to inflict pain but thought you preferred TV's in nazi costumes and 5" heels. LOL.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
you got me
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 3:08 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
GC
are you gonna take that...?
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
humor him he misses her terribly... they met in that Turkish prison many years ago
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 3:23 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
gouletcolonial,
hahahahahahahahaha!
Turkish prison...That's priceless!!!
Written by: generoso, 23 Mar 2009 3:38 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Turkish prisons are like heaven compared to the neighborhood I grew up in. I lived in hell, I mean the Avon lady was Sonny Liston. LOL.
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 3:40 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
generoso,
GC,
You guys are killing me...
hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
we were so poor my mother used to buy " Helper Helper "
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 3:43 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
gouletcolonial,
" Helper Helper ..."? oh, man
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
we were so poor we borrowed money from the Waltons
From: United States, New York City
"ciby it is a good thing you turned away from your life of crime in your youth .....I suppose you remember it well running down the street the wind blowing through your hair the sound of stop thief ringing in your ears ...those were the good old days ..right ciby"
I've been many things but never a theif. How on earth you came to that assumption is beyond me...unless you think most young Dominicans in New York are social deviants....digo yo.
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 3:44 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
cibaeño75,
"Metiendo la Mano..."
It's what we do when we get a chance...Don't deny it. Embrace it...
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
ciby please dont take this silliness to heart ....although in the recipe book for Cibao Chicken starts off ....First steal a good sized chicken
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 3:47 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
gouletcolonial,
"...then steal un caldero y anafe..."
From: United States, New York City
"It's what we do when we get a chance...Don't deny it. Embrace it..."
Speak for yourself. "We" son mucho.
Written by: xwill7, 23 Mar 2009 3:53 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
No stealing chickens please
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 3:53 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
cibaeño75,
"hay muchacho, puè poi supueto que metemo' la' mano..."
That's the reason "we in the thing", my friend. We have an endemic cleptocracy in our country. Denying it only makes it harder to erradicate...
From: Dominican Republic
Teacher: "What do you do if you catch a criminal in DR whether Haitian or not, kids?"
Kid: "Easy, lynch them!"
Teacher: "very good"
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 4:07 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
cyberdragon,
Now, now. No need to threaten cibaeño75...
Written by: generoso, 23 Mar 2009 4:14 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
You know the joke about the Haitian being in a trial with a judge asking the accused of stealing a big yucca plant from a Dominican farmer, after any tries, the Dominican judge prodding him to confess since there were many eyewitnesses to the theft, the Judge finally said:
OK Misie Pie, you did not steal the yucca, correct?
and the Haitian replied: No, bossman judge I did not steal the yucca.
And the judge said: But the yucca tasted good or not?
And the Haitian replied: Oh yes, mesie judge the yucca was tres bon! Tres bon. LOL.
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 4:19 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
generoso,
Did you know that on average, a Haitian immigrant was a higher education than his Dominican Counterpart...So much so that they are a sought-after commodity in the tourist industry...
It may see it would be the dominican stealing the yucaa plant from the Haitian living in a Condo in Punta Cana...
Written by: generoso, 23 Mar 2009 4:24 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
jacirez
I guess the joke hit a raw nerve didn't it?
Now where is your sense of humor now?
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 4:26 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
generoso,
Oh, no! I am by no mean offended...I just had a different visual for the characters, that's all...
At Bavàro, the Haitians work at the Front Desk...while the Dominicans clean the floors...
Written by: xwill7, 23 Mar 2009 4:27 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Jacirez ,
You are blowing air out of where the sun don't shine!
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 4:28 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
xwill7,
Have you been to Bavàro lately...?
Seriously; 'cos I was just there...
From: United States
Jajaja. A Hatian did take my reservation at Bacelo Bavaro and screwed it up. Can it be that the hotels can pay a Hatian that speaks French and some English less than a Dominican. Xwii7 it may just be $$ decision.
Written by: generoso, 23 Mar 2009 4:34 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
jacirez
Probable but not impossible, just highly unlikely. Not the Haitians that immigrate to the DR anyway.
Some educated Haitians do have greater language versatility and gift for languages compared to Dominicans with similar education Dominicans and are used in hotel front desks as clerks.
But the unreserved comment could be misunderstood.
If the Haitian educational level of the majority of the immigrants is higher then why are they doing the begging and the menial jobs that Dominicans would not do for the same pay?
Written by: xwill7, 23 Mar 2009 4:34 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Wow, one hotel in the entire contry had this happen and you want to say that this is going on in the entire contry?
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 4:34 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
BenCardozo,
How many Dominican you know speak French, or Italian...or German...?
Written by: xwill7, 23 Mar 2009 4:38 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
You do not need to speak french, italian, and german. All of the european turist just need to know one word.... Cerveza
Written by: generoso, 23 Mar 2009 4:45 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
xwill7
In tourist lingo they call any alcohol "gasolina".
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 4:46 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
xwill7,
Thinking like a peasant. By speaking the language you can up-sell these "clients" many more than just cervezas...but I do not expect you to understand that...
Written by: xwill7, 23 Mar 2009 4:50 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
All you need is a hot Dominican girl to sell the beer at the bar. Believe me. A hot Dominican woman will sell more beer that a Haitian!
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 4:52 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
xwill7,
Again thinking like a peasant. being able to speak their language creates a much more powerful bond. It creates trust. Trust that can be exchanged for dollars and euros my friend. I should know. I used to "hustle some things" back in the days...
Written by: antonioj, 23 Mar 2009 4:53 PM
From: Canada, home safe
They have been just graduated from the greatest criminal university, now they will be home spreading their know how.
DR should be careful and take steps to avoid falling prey of serious gang activities, one only have to look to el salvador, and the gang problem that was unleashed upon them due to mass deportation of ex con from teh United states.
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 4:55 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
antonioj,
That's so true! the MS-13 gang had all but taken over El Salvador a few years back...
Written by: xwill7, 23 Mar 2009 5:00 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Janirez,
The peasant is you my friend!
Written by: antonioj, 23 Mar 2009 5:07 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: jacirez, 23 Mar 2009 4:55 PM
From: Angola, Luanda
antonioj,
That's so true! the MS-13 gang had all but taken over El Salvador a few years back.
"
Indeed Jaci, they are beast, perhaps the most dangerous of all time, lonely at the top that's for sure. They make the crip and the blood look like children's choirs .
Written by: generoso, 23 Mar 2009 5:08 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
jacirez
I do detect a trace of racial supremacy here or country bias.
That is the flame that will burn us all. Now you should apologize if you are capable of doing that.
And be nice, just because you were a "hustler" once, you still don't need to behave like one.
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
TonyJ, your 100% right, last time I visited family in Los Minas you could smell the deportees. They would wear old out dated clothing “some” do to their so many years in jail.
One asked me if I wanted to change dollars, as if I could not tell he looked like he spent the last two days smoking massive amounts of crack.
These guys are coming back with serious drug habits; I was reading an article about a teenager that was killed by his deportee step brother.
I do not know why the president LF wants to take away guns from Legal citizens with lic. To carry, when crime is only going to increase.
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
Sooner or later the deportees are going to get smart and start robbing the big money makers. What I mean by this is the foreigners in Samana, and or Punta Cana.
There the ones with the money, and by the way GC, it’s not our barrios.
You not Dominican, your just visiting.
Written by: xwill7, 23 Mar 2009 5:31 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
chillax
They have already begun robbing big money makers, and alot of business owners.
Written by: antonioj, 23 Mar 2009 5:37 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: generoso, 23 Mar 2009 5:08 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands
jacirez
I do detect a trace of racial supremacy here or country bias.
That is the flame that will burn us all. Now you should apologize if you are capable of doing that.
And be nice, just because you were a "hustler" once, you still don't need to behave like one.
"
Kind a remind me of a video in which ICE T sang Iam a hustler... which one is the dealer or the hustler ??
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 5:57 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
antonioj,
I am a proud Dominican...I am also a pragmatist...
Written by: generoso, 23 Mar 2009 6:02 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
jacirez
Are you really Dominican? What the hell you are doing in Angola?
Or your are just pulling our cord?
A pragmatist is a person who takes a practical approach to problems and is concerned primarily with the success or failure of their actions.
Are you that way?
Written by: jacirez , 23 Mar 2009 6:05 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
generoso,
I want the DR to become a powerful nation among many. I could care less if the president is part Haitian or Chinese...as long as the DR becomes a powerful nation among many...
That is the purest definition of a pragmatist...
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
hey tonyj still snowing up there......your season of Mud is about to begin....go leafs
Written by: antonioj, 23 Mar 2009 7:01 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: gouletcolonial, 23 Mar 2009 6:52 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Fredriksted ,St Croix {old Brugal rum distillery]
hey tonyj still snowing up there......your season of Mud is about to begin....go leafs
"
No happy days are back again, I heard it snowed in Jaci country yesterday, about those leafs
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I think they should send these deportees to Oakville Ontario Canada and be given good homes ....How about it tonyj you can always use a house sitter when you go away
Written by: antonioj, 23 Mar 2009 7:11 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: gouletcolonial, 23 Mar 2009 7:06 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands, Fredriksted ,St Croix {old Brugal rum distillery]
I think they should send these deportees to Oakville Ontario Canada and be given good homes ....How about it tonyj you can always use a house sitter when you go away
"
Hey conejo jejeje you are giving me idea now.
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
I think it would be better if the U.S. would deport Dominicans with out doing time 1st.
It would save the U.S. tons of money they need and it would save Dominicans from the deportee going to crime University.
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
Written by: antonioj, 23 Mar 2009 7:36 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: chillaxin201, 23 Mar 2009 7:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic, PLD ,PRD are both corrupted
I think it would be better if the U.S. would deport Dominicans with out doing time 1st.
It would save the U.S. tons of money they need and it would save Dominicans from the deportee going to crime University.
"
Difficult to see it happen chill !! it has to do with crime and punition, they would have to change the us law and will not be easy.
From: Dominican Republic
More like 141 ex-Dominicans.
Written by: Username, 23 Mar 2009 7:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
There should be a special police unit charged with setting those deportees up and getting them convicted again and thrown back in jail. NONE of those guys upon arriving back in DR will go looking for a 9 to 5. NONE. They'll go back to doing what they have been doing their whole lives. And they'll be spreading AIDS they got in the prison too.
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
From: Dominican Republic
AntonioJ, we are getting that unleashed evil from the illegal foreigners in DR! This will bring more tragedy to innocent people!
This is what we get from the 5/30/1961 Republic we got from Imbert Barreras!
Written by: generoso, 23 Mar 2009 9:30 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
5,000 graduate felonious professors with a PHD in crime a year is enough to destabilize any country. Without looking for a scapegoat we are looking at the direct cause for the more brutal crimes and
lack of security and the increase in murders as well.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
These deportees must not be allowed to re-integrate into Dominican society without proper evaluation by competent judicial and medical [psychiatric] authorities. Also, because they've committed serious crimes abroad, they should also be placed in some kind of regulated parole for a minimum period of three years, or until deemed fit to properly function as citizens. They must not be allowed to roam freely in society, pillaging it and perverting it.
Written by: Sigma, 24 Mar 2009 11:06 AM
From: United States, Dom Rep/Haiti
The flow of these deportees will create a even higher crime rate here because they will keep doing what they used to do: steal,rape deal drugs etc..
The same thing happened in Haiti and in Jamaica. All the gang members used by the ristid regime were former deportees.
Some of the deportees are probably more American than Haitian pr Dominican since they grew up in the USA.
In Haiti some deportees only speak English.
I am sure its the same here.
Only difference, with the size of the military ad police force, it should be easy to isolate these deportees and "deal" with the bad seeds.
Written by: jacirez , 24 Mar 2009 11:08 AM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Sigma,
I agree with you. This is bad, bad news for all of us...
From: United States, New York City
"These deportees must not be allowed to re-integrate into Dominican society without proper evaluation by competent judicial and medical [psychiatric] authorities. Also, because they've committed serious crimes abroad, they should also be placed in some kind of regulated parole for a minimum period of three years, or until deemed fit to properly function as citizens. They must not be allowed to roam freely in society, pillaging it and perverting it. "
Thjat's absurd. Why should the Dominican state punish these people for crimes committed abroad? Where's the justice in that? At the end of the day these people are still Dominicans. That's why they got sent back there! A serious program for integration into Dominican society is what's needed, not more incarceration and punishment. They've done there time. That's why they're being sent back.
Written by: Sigma, 24 Mar 2009 11:27 AM
From: United States, Dom Rep/Haiti
"Thjat's absurd. Why should the Dominican state punish these people for crimes committed abroad? Where's the justice in that? At the end of the day these people are still Dominicans. That's why they got sent back there! A serious program for integration into Dominican society is what's needed, not more incarceration and punishment. They've done there time. That's why they're being sent back."
Cibaeno,
most of the times, hard times make you a even harder criminal.
although they are Dominicans, they are american criminals.
I hardly think of someone that grew up and lived most of its life in gangs in the states a Haitian or Dominican just because they were originally from that country
Some of them need to go straight to jail.
My .02 cents
From: United States, New York City
"Some of them need to go straight to jail."
Only those that broke Dominican laws need be in Dominican jails. You can consider those people whatever you want but under the eyes of the law in both DR and the US they are indeed Dominicans. And no one even has mentioned here that MANY Dominicans get deported back for trivial offenses. I know someone that got deported behind a streetfight that he had when he was 20, a hardworking man who was stopped on a return vacay from DR with this nonsense years later to only have it morph into an incident that destroyed his life. Cases such as the one just mentioned are not at all uncommon.
Written by: jacirez , 24 Mar 2009 11:36 AM
From: Iran, Zähedän
cibaeño75,
I agree. If they served their time; then they cannot be put in jail when they arrive here. A program to integrate them into general society is a good idea; however, keep in mind they were not rehabilitated in the U.S, chances are any effort here will also be unsuccessful.
From: United States, New York City
"keep in mind they were not rehabilitated in the U.S, "
Who's to say? They weren't allowed to reintegrate into US society so that assesment cannot be made. We cannot ascertain as to what would've been the rate of recidivism for Dominican deportees had they been allowed to remain in the states after serving their time.
Written by: jacirez , 24 Mar 2009 11:42 AM
From: Iran, Zähedän
cibaeño75,
You could right; but chances are if these people are used to making "quick cash" I don't think working for "few pesos" a day will do. They may revert to what they know: The life of crime...
Written by: DomVilla, 24 Mar 2009 11:48 AM
From: United States, Maryland
The father of Pragmatic Maxim it the way Charles Pierces define (1) truth is mutable, and (2) truth is relative to a conceptual scheme. My comment on reference is the true about those guy coming from USA jail, they already serve time I don't know is the legal system at DR need to punish again, the best is watch on the behavior give a chance, DR have actually no credibility military, police and so on.......
Written by: xwill7, 24 Mar 2009 12:27 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
A man was begging for some change in Santiago. He said that he was deported from USA and could not find work. I told him that I did not have any change. I did have extra change but decided to give it to a small child that was also looking for some change. If you came to USA and messed up, I am not going to help you. Its better to help a dominican person that has never been deported.
Written by: froggym, 24 Mar 2009 2:25 PM
From: United States
((; but the majority of the low-life element see nothing wrong with making a fast buck.))
**Why should the congressmen and senators have all the fun?
For all the sanctimonius Jackasses who are saying to jail or shoot the men, shame on you. they did the crime and they have served their time. They deserve the opportunity to reintegrate into society.
Each of those men is a father, a brother, a husband, etc. Give them a chance for Christs sake.
Lighten up on your holier than thou B.S.
Incidentally, there wouldn't be a drug problem if Americans weren't buying the crap. So point your fingers back at yourself.
From: United States, Reality Check
Keep in mind, the RD police are already weak & corrupt (along with DNCD). Yes, these guys have done their time and should get a fresh start. But the reality check says, they will not take advantage of their release but instead plot & scheme to get back to the USA via a Yola en route to PR or used their advance degrees to become a crime king in the RD (most will choose the latter). A small portion will actually do something useful & productive and stay crime free.
REALITY CHECK: The million dollar question is - given the 605 deportees to date ... how many innocent Dominican families will become victims of the crimes of the deportees above due to the fact they are habitual criminals in a land with minimum deterrent to crime (unlike in the USA)?
How negatively effected will the Dominican society become because of the deportees? I would like of Froggym and the types to give an honest answer. By end of year, will we read of a new crime spree in the RD becuz deportees were free
From: United States, New York City
I have a reality check for you as well. The majority of the heinous acts that have galvanized Dominican society in the last few years were done by locally bred criminals. Remember the girl who was killed in Santiago for her cell phone about a year back? All the perps were homegrown. I can cite a couple of highly publicized cases involving only local thugs. If you think that delinquency in DR is exported or that it would stop if all deportations ceased then you are working under false assumptions. Mil veces lo digo: I would prefer to walk down an East New York street late at night then through some of the capital's barrios in broad daylight.
Written by: xwill7, 24 Mar 2009 4:05 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Cibaeno75
Would you trust an ex convict to visit you at your home?
From: United States, New York City
"Cibaeno75
Would you trust an ex convict to visit you at your home?"
I'm from Brooklyn. I have many freinds that are ex-cons..LOL...indeed some are the nicest people that you could meet but they just made a mistake somewhere in their past. To answer your question: mientras vengan como la gente seran tratado por mi de semejante manera.
Written by: xwill7, 24 Mar 2009 4:44 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
LOL. Some are ok but I would not let a hardcore excon into my home. My flat panel tv might end up missing!
Written by: danny00, 24 Mar 2009 5:31 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
AS CIBAENO75 wrote they will be treated as HEROS BY YOUTHS OF THE DR.. hes right on the north coast i spent 9 years working with young kids i listen to them talk many times about the GANGSTERS, in new york city their DREAM was to get a visa one day and go their to SELL DRUGS. this is their dream. i told them this was their NIGHTMARE not a DREAM.....,any way the the so called MAFIA they are sending back i have some work or jobs for them to do.. just read the today from the dri newspaer,Where are the streetlights?
Listin Diario reports that streetlights seem to have disappeared from the country. The issue is even more pressing since Santo Domingo was named American Capital of Culture for 2010. Dominicans have got used to the dark streets, but reporter Ramon Urbaez makes the point that security is now a big issue. The reporter says that streets and bridges have been left in darkness due to robberies.
Written by: synapse, 24 Mar 2009 5:37 PM
From: United States
Watch out DR, these guys speak decent English now and are going to go sell drugs, women and what ever they can to the tourists and with the first chance they get rob them.
You better set up a probation tracking system before they take over and kill your tourism.
Written by: danny00, 24 Mar 2009 5:40 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
the COUNTRY OF DARKNESS....... what a beautifull island for investments.....steal any thing thats worth a few pesos that is not nailed down and i guess even if its nailed down..... must be some GENERAL FROM THE ARMY THAT IS HAVING HIS MEN DO THIS.. I GUESS. MIGHT BE WRONG IT MIGHT BE THE POLICE WHO KNOWS....WHO KNOWS IT MIGHT BE SOME GUY THAT WORKED FOR THE LAST PRES.... AND NO ONE TOLD HIM THAT HES NOT IN OFFICE ANY MORE THAT THE COUNTRY HAD A NEW PRES NOW LF...... THE NEW PRES.....LOL, THE OLD PRES IT WAS WIDE OPEN TO DO WHAT EVER YOU WANTED TO DO...HOW THEY HAVE TO BE A LITTLE CAREFULL.. WHAT A GREAT ISLAND..... THE BEST IN THE WORLD..... I GUESS...LOL
Written by: danny00, 24 Mar 2009 5:43 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
in pop their are many gansters from new york.. and yes your right they are robbing the tourists..... i know i have seem this with my own eyes.....and no one helps the tourists..... most can speak spanish and the police dont speak english even if you had a good cop.....so the mafia win but the country loses..... the tourists are not coming back.....
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
That is really really bad for DR more criminals in the street!!?
For the deportees:
-Violent Sex offenders should be electrocuted. Period. Minor sex offenses should be jailed as if they committed the crime in USA, and once free, monitored since they will never change.
-killers should be electrocuted or serve life in prison and forced to work to earn their meals and pay for the facilities they are using. Forced labor for them.
-Drug dealers-forced labor for them too. They should pay for the facility they are using. Rent, food and toiletries.
Why such a poor country as DR has to take away money that could be used for education and social welfare for the needed to be spent for this garbage good for nothing individuals?? Let get rid of them. One less problem for society.
Written by: froggym, 24 Mar 2009 8:07 PM
From: United States
JD_Dominguez, wrote:
But the reality check says, they will not take advantage of their release but instead plot & scheme to get back to the USA via a Yola en route to PR or used their advance degrees to become a crime king in the RD (most will choose the latter). A small portion will actually do something useful & productive and stay crime free.
Froggy replies:
Are you a mind reader. lol. that is purest speculation on your part.
JD_Dominguez, writes"
REALITY CHECK: The million dollar question is - given the 605 deportees to date ... how many innocent Dominican families will become victims of the crimes of the deportees above due to the fact they are habitual criminals in a land with minimum deterrent to crime (unlike in the USA)?
Froggy replies:
O.K., I give up, how many? I don't know and neither do you.
Quit posing unanswerable questions then offering your speculative answers as fact.
Written by: froggym, 24 Mar 2009 8:11 PM
From: United States
Due to the limits imposed by the board monitors I had to add another comment to finish my response to JD_Dominguez,,,
You are not a mind reader. And in view of the number of mind numbing offenses committed every day in the U.S. by U.S. citizens, we don't have any room to talk.
Again. If U.S. citizens weren't buying their product, there wouldn't be a problem. We create the problems, then impose draconian sentences on those who see the fat cats life style and naturally want a little of it for them selves. Just look at our own congressmen and senators taking graft.
Before judging men in advance and offering up dire consequences for them before they even commit your imagined offenses...
First cast out the mote from thine own eye..
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
As this is nearly a democratic forum, we are certainly all entitled to our opinions, and we should honor and respect that right. We do not all agree on how to treat these returning citizens, and that's fine with me. However, I do believe that one of govt's primary functions is to protect citizens against crime. Since these citizens are being repatriated with a gratuitous certificate of bad conduct, from a credible country, it should behoove competent authorities to interrogate these individuals and establish as to whether or not they pose a threat to society. If they do, then there should be a plan in place for rehabilitation and re-introduction to society. That's all.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Continued.....
Why risk honest and hard-working citizens, already burdened with monumental daily struggle to make ends meet and feed, clothe and shelter their families, with the additional threat of crime and aggression? I don't mean to totally ostracize these individuals, but I just want to do right by them and the other important citizens who did not commit any crimes. That's all.
Written by: froggym, 24 Mar 2009 10:22 PM
From: United States
glomarexplorer writes:
As this is nearly a democratic forum, we are certainly all entitled to our opinions,
Froggym replies:
Haven't noticed anyone being deprived of that right.
glomarexplorer writes"
I do believe that one of govt's primary functions is to protect citizens against crime
Froggym replies:
Great. Show me a gov that does. I'll move there. So far I haven't seen one.
glomar writes;
to interrogate these individuals and establish as to whether or not they pose a threat to society.
froggym replies;
lol. .
glomar writes:
but I just want to do right by them and the other important citizens who did not commit any crimes. That's all.
Froggy replies:
I sympathize with your concern. But the only way to deter crime is to insure that children are raised in good families. Nothing else will work. As long as crooks and pimps and whores are allowed to raise children, we will have crooks and pimps and whores. Fact. Children immulate their role models.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Forggy,
Watch your postings closely....every now and again something gets deleted, and not necessarily by the poster. I wasn't around, but someone wrote to me telling me that GC was temporarily banned recently.
By the way, the US does what it can to protect its citizens under a functioning democracy and, I believe, that's why they extradite all of those Dominicans caught exporting and smuggling drugs into the USA.
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
The sex offenders should be castrated.
For the rest, freedom for blocks(or bricks).
From: Spain, Ibiza, Minorca, Mallorca
Written by: froggym, 24 Mar 2009 2:25 PM
From: United States
((; but the majority of the low-life element see nothing wrong with making a fast buck.))
**Why should the congressmen and senators have all the fun?
Frog:
What are you one of those fluent in rhetoric recently deported; Nit-picking people's opinions?
Partner, these bums committed a crime and are lucky that DR accepts them.....Quite naturally many were Yoleros, primos, oficinistas en puntos, that only went north to come back phat!
Yet, they got busted!
And they're a lot luckier than the many that get viewed at Rivera Funeral Home on 173 St. & St. Nicholas or are shipped back home. The love of Money is the root of all evil.
Stop condoning!
They got busted..Barretta use to have a saying: "If you can't do the time. don't do the crime!"
Now they're back....There goes the neighborhood.....The crooks now roam the streets:
Get more bars for your windows and doors in Paradise! Watch your wives and children!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Santiago barrio (Ensanche Caonabo) can always use these kind of people .....just send a couple of tour buses full of these guys up there.....JD will be there to meet them with the welcome wagon
Written by: froggym, 25 Mar 2009 12:29 PM
From: United States
((What are you one of those fluent in rhetoric))
**Apparently a little more fluent than yourself. :o)
((Nit-picking people's opinions))
**Can you say, 'hypocrite', boys and girls. lol.
((that only went north to come back phat! ))
**And can you blame them for that? We are a culture that
worships success. Everyone admires what the fat cats have.
That is why the fat cats accumulate it. To be the envy of those
'lower' than themselves.
((The love of Money is the root of all evil. ))
**Thanks. You just made my point in your crude fashion.
((Barretta use to have a saying))
**Barretta is your role model. lol.
((The crooks now roam the streets:))
**I've busted more of those crooks than you have fingers and
toes, sonny. Some of them stayed bad, some straightened
out. 67% recidivism. But those that stay out the second time
usually go straight. We have more people in jail than any
country on earth. Has it stopped crime. lol.
My God, is The God of Second Chances
Written by: jacirez , 25 Mar 2009 12:31 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
my, my...
Written by: froggym, 25 Mar 2009 12:35 PM
From: United States
Addendum to the above froggym post.
If some of them didn't go straight, at the rate this country locks people up, we would have a real problem.
Near 69 years of being on both sides of the law have taught me that incarceration is like putting a bandaid on Aids sores.
The only thing that will ever work as a permanent solution to social woes, is raising children with good role models in decent homes. Doesn't matter if Xian, or Budhhist, or Muslim. Just good values.
We have to keep those who have fallen from the straight and narrow from raising copies of them selves.
Nothing else will ever work!
Written by: jacirez , 25 Mar 2009 12:39 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
oh, my...
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
froggym,
"My God, is The God of Second Chances" Those crooks that are coming to DR were given second chance. US do not deport for first offence.
"The only thing that will ever work as a permanent solution to social woes, is raising children with good role models in decent homes. Doesn't matter if Xian, or Buddhist, or Muslim. “Froggyman. Have you ever hear of peer pressure? Why to take the risk with your precious cargo (your kids). If you raise your kids in a bad environment with bad company do not expect much from them. Buddhists and Muslims are surrounded by their own, in their own niche, their own bubble; they do not intermingle with criminals. Trust me on this.
From: Spain, Ibiza, Minorca, Mallorca
Written by: froggym, 25 Mar 2009 12:29 PM
From: United States
((What are you one of those fluent in rhetoric))
**Apparently a little more fluent than yourself. :o)
Frog:
You busted the spot by kickin' in the door!
What are you the new sherrif in town? If so watch out for Ricochet Rabbit!
Point by point rebuttals? What's this an encounter group or something, or a trial?
Sigues con tu muela de Phoenix House counselor - Sin Sing Correction Officer;
You're trying a liitle too hard to thrown your weight around & busting chops!
Your God of second changes must be the blue meany. Or, maybe it's Kali
the Godess of war. In either case, peace out, son!
Written by: froggym, 26 Mar 2009 2:21 PM
From: United States
((What are you the new sherrif in town? If so watch out for Ricochet Rabbit!))
**lol. The hypocrisy is so evident here, it is laughable.
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By the way: Are these ex-cons send to prision in the DR upon arriving or are they free to join free society...? Does anybody knows...?
This is noit good...not good at all. These are violent criminal, hardened by years in the U.S penal system...This is our very own Marielitos crisis...
How is that any different that the glorification of crime and violence in the U.S and most part of the world for that matter...?
What a sad commentary about a nation where the dollar (it's just paper) has taken precedence over principles. Mind you: not all have bought into this fallacious dream; but the majority of the low-life element see nothing wrong with making a fast buck. It's such a shame that such a large proportion of the youth, the males are lowering their expectations and selling out to "pipe dreams".
What a prospect? Droves of criminals coming home to corrupt the have nots, and the clueless!
How is that any different that the glorification of crime and violence in the U.S and most part of the world for that matter...? The whole Urban Music indrustry is predicated on the glorification of violence, crime and drugs...
Looked upon as heroes?!? Do you know how ostracized deportees are in Dominican society? A dog would recieve a better welcome in most circles in DR than most deportees. Get a clue goulet.
I agree. If you manage to go to "Los Paìses:" and you get deported, you're looked upon as a failure...
Just so you know: Suncor Energy just Merged with Petro-Canada. We won you now, boy! Better be nice or your Canada Pension Plan Benefits will be rescinded!!!
Las calles son calles son calles. There are many homegrown Dominican thugs in the capital and Santiago's barrios that are every bit as dangerous as the worst of those who have been deported. I'd rather walk through East New York at night then some of the barrios in the Dominican capital. You can stop the deportations and there will still be serious delinquency in Dominican society. The deportees just serve as another scapegoat to avoid addressing more pressing and deeply rooted societal ills.
Those living on the western shores of Lake Athabasca do not need you handouts. They pay enough taxes to keep the rest of the economy running hot, my friend; unlike the Haves-not in Ontario...Oh, what a tragedy. You lost your manufacturing base to China & Mexico! That's ok. We will keep making equalization payments until you guys get you s$%t together...
Don't you have a neo-nazi convention to attend...?
These criminals are a serious problem because they have honed their felonious expertise in prison
and now they are graduate professors of criminal activities, that are coming to DR to further pollute
the already rarefied air we are breathing.
I propose we build a penal colony in "La Isla Beata:" off the coast of Barahona...
The Haitian private enterprise and politicians have a big project going on in Tortue, or Tortuga where the Pirates of the Caribbean was filmed.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
generoso,
Ouch!
There is your answer, I had a suspicion you like to inflict pain but thought you preferred TV's in nazi costumes and 5" heels. LOL.
are you gonna take that...?
hahahahahahahahaha!
Turkish prison...That's priceless!!!
GC,
You guys are killing me...
hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
" Helper Helper ..."? oh, man
I've been many things but never a theif. How on earth you came to that assumption is beyond me...unless you think most young Dominicans in New York are social deviants....digo yo.
"Metiendo la Mano..."
It's what we do when we get a chance...Don't deny it. Embrace it...
"...then steal un caldero y anafe..."
Speak for yourself. "We" son mucho.
"hay muchacho, puè poi supueto que metemo' la' mano..."
That's the reason "we in the thing", my friend. We have an endemic cleptocracy in our country. Denying it only makes it harder to erradicate...
Kid: "Easy, lynch them!"
Teacher: "very good"
Now, now. No need to threaten cibaeño75...
OK Misie Pie, you did not steal the yucca, correct?
and the Haitian replied: No, bossman judge I did not steal the yucca.
And the judge said: But the yucca tasted good or not?
And the Haitian replied: Oh yes, mesie judge the yucca was tres bon! Tres bon. LOL.
Did you know that on average, a Haitian immigrant was a higher education than his Dominican Counterpart...So much so that they are a sought-after commodity in the tourist industry...
It may see it would be the dominican stealing the yucaa plant from the Haitian living in a Condo in Punta Cana...
I guess the joke hit a raw nerve didn't it?
Now where is your sense of humor now?
Oh, no! I am by no mean offended...I just had a different visual for the characters, that's all...
At Bavàro, the Haitians work at the Front Desk...while the Dominicans clean the floors...
You are blowing air out of where the sun don't shine!
Have you been to Bavàro lately...?
Seriously; 'cos I was just there...
Probable but not impossible, just highly unlikely. Not the Haitians that immigrate to the DR anyway.
Some educated Haitians do have greater language versatility and gift for languages compared to Dominicans with similar education Dominicans and are used in hotel front desks as clerks.
But the unreserved comment could be misunderstood.
If the Haitian educational level of the majority of the immigrants is higher then why are they doing the begging and the menial jobs that Dominicans would not do for the same pay?
How many Dominican you know speak French, or Italian...or German...?
In tourist lingo they call any alcohol "gasolina".
Thinking like a peasant. By speaking the language you can up-sell these "clients" many more than just cervezas...but I do not expect you to understand that...
Again thinking like a peasant. being able to speak their language creates a much more powerful bond. It creates trust. Trust that can be exchanged for dollars and euros my friend. I should know. I used to "hustle some things" back in the days...
DR should be careful and take steps to avoid falling prey of serious gang activities, one only have to look to el salvador, and the gang problem that was unleashed upon them due to mass deportation of ex con from teh United states.
That's so true! the MS-13 gang had all but taken over El Salvador a few years back...
The peasant is you my friend!
From: Angola, Luanda
antonioj,
That's so true! the MS-13 gang had all but taken over El Salvador a few years back.
"
Indeed Jaci, they are beast, perhaps the most dangerous of all time, lonely at the top that's for sure. They make the crip and the blood look like children's choirs .
I do detect a trace of racial supremacy here or country bias.
That is the flame that will burn us all. Now you should apologize if you are capable of doing that.
And be nice, just because you were a "hustler" once, you still don't need to behave like one.
One asked me if I wanted to change dollars, as if I could not tell he looked like he spent the last two days smoking massive amounts of crack.
These guys are coming back with serious drug habits; I was reading an article about a teenager that was killed by his deportee step brother.
I do not know why the president LF wants to take away guns from Legal citizens with lic. To carry, when crime is only going to increase.
There the ones with the money, and by the way GC, it’s not our barrios.
You not Dominican, your just visiting.
They have already begun robbing big money makers, and alot of business owners.
From: United States Virgin Islands
jacirez
I do detect a trace of racial supremacy here or country bias.
That is the flame that will burn us all. Now you should apologize if you are capable of doing that.
And be nice, just because you were a "hustler" once, you still don't need to behave like one.
"
Kind a remind me of a video in which ICE T sang Iam a hustler... which one is the dealer or the hustler ??
I am a proud Dominican...I am also a pragmatist...
Are you really Dominican? What the hell you are doing in Angola?
Or your are just pulling our cord?
A pragmatist is a person who takes a practical approach to problems and is concerned primarily with the success or failure of their actions.
Are you that way?
I want the DR to become a powerful nation among many. I could care less if the president is part Haitian or Chinese...as long as the DR becomes a powerful nation among many...
That is the purest definition of a pragmatist...
From: United States Virgin Islands, Fredriksted ,St Croix {old Brugal rum distillery]
hey tonyj still snowing up there......your season of Mud is about to begin....go leafs
"
No happy days are back again, I heard it snowed in Jaci country yesterday, about those leafs
From: United States Virgin Islands, Fredriksted ,St Croix {old Brugal rum distillery]
I think they should send these deportees to Oakville Ontario Canada and be given good homes ....How about it tonyj you can always use a house sitter when you go away
"
Hey conejo jejeje you are giving me idea now.
It would save the U.S. tons of money they need and it would save Dominicans from the deportee going to crime University.
From: Dominican Republic, PLD ,PRD are both corrupted
I think it would be better if the U.S. would deport Dominicans with out doing time 1st.
It would save the U.S. tons of money they need and it would save Dominicans from the deportee going to crime University.
"
Difficult to see it happen chill !! it has to do with crime and punition, they would have to change the us law and will not be easy.
This is what we get from the 5/30/1961 Republic we got from Imbert Barreras!
lack of security and the increase in murders as well.
The same thing happened in Haiti and in Jamaica. All the gang members used by the ristid regime were former deportees.
Some of the deportees are probably more American than Haitian pr Dominican since they grew up in the USA.
In Haiti some deportees only speak English.
I am sure its the same here.
Only difference, with the size of the military ad police force, it should be easy to isolate these deportees and "deal" with the bad seeds.
I agree with you. This is bad, bad news for all of us...
Thjat's absurd. Why should the Dominican state punish these people for crimes committed abroad? Where's the justice in that? At the end of the day these people are still Dominicans. That's why they got sent back there! A serious program for integration into Dominican society is what's needed, not more incarceration and punishment. They've done there time. That's why they're being sent back.
Cibaeno,
most of the times, hard times make you a even harder criminal.
although they are Dominicans, they are american criminals.
I hardly think of someone that grew up and lived most of its life in gangs in the states a Haitian or Dominican just because they were originally from that country
Some of them need to go straight to jail.
My .02 cents
Only those that broke Dominican laws need be in Dominican jails. You can consider those people whatever you want but under the eyes of the law in both DR and the US they are indeed Dominicans. And no one even has mentioned here that MANY Dominicans get deported back for trivial offenses. I know someone that got deported behind a streetfight that he had when he was 20, a hardworking man who was stopped on a return vacay from DR with this nonsense years later to only have it morph into an incident that destroyed his life. Cases such as the one just mentioned are not at all uncommon.
I agree. If they served their time; then they cannot be put in jail when they arrive here. A program to integrate them into general society is a good idea; however, keep in mind they were not rehabilitated in the U.S, chances are any effort here will also be unsuccessful.
Who's to say? They weren't allowed to reintegrate into US society so that assesment cannot be made. We cannot ascertain as to what would've been the rate of recidivism for Dominican deportees had they been allowed to remain in the states after serving their time.
You could right; but chances are if these people are used to making "quick cash" I don't think working for "few pesos" a day will do. They may revert to what they know: The life of crime...
**Why should the congressmen and senators have all the fun?
For all the sanctimonius Jackasses who are saying to jail or shoot the men, shame on you. they did the crime and they have served their time. They deserve the opportunity to reintegrate into society.
Each of those men is a father, a brother, a husband, etc. Give them a chance for Christs sake.
Lighten up on your holier than thou B.S.
Incidentally, there wouldn't be a drug problem if Americans weren't buying the crap. So point your fingers back at yourself.
REALITY CHECK: The million dollar question is - given the 605 deportees to date ... how many innocent Dominican families will become victims of the crimes of the deportees above due to the fact they are habitual criminals in a land with minimum deterrent to crime (unlike in the USA)?
How negatively effected will the Dominican society become because of the deportees? I would like of Froggym and the types to give an honest answer. By end of year, will we read of a new crime spree in the RD becuz deportees were free
Would you trust an ex convict to visit you at your home?
Would you trust an ex convict to visit you at your home?"
I'm from Brooklyn. I have many freinds that are ex-cons..LOL...indeed some are the nicest people that you could meet but they just made a mistake somewhere in their past. To answer your question: mientras vengan como la gente seran tratado por mi de semejante manera.
Listin Diario reports that streetlights seem to have disappeared from the country. The issue is even more pressing since Santo Domingo was named American Capital of Culture for 2010. Dominicans have got used to the dark streets, but reporter Ramon Urbaez makes the point that security is now a big issue. The reporter says that streets and bridges have been left in darkness due to robberies.
Watch out DR, these guys speak decent English now and are going to go sell drugs, women and what ever they can to the tourists and with the first chance they get rob them.
You better set up a probation tracking system before they take over and kill your tourism.
For the deportees:
-Violent Sex offenders should be electrocuted. Period. Minor sex offenses should be jailed as if they committed the crime in USA, and once free, monitored since they will never change.
-killers should be electrocuted or serve life in prison and forced to work to earn their meals and pay for the facilities they are using. Forced labor for them.
-Drug dealers-forced labor for them too. They should pay for the facility they are using. Rent, food and toiletries.
Why such a poor country as DR has to take away money that could be used for education and social welfare for the needed to be spent for this garbage good for nothing individuals?? Let get rid of them. One less problem for society.
But the reality check says, they will not take advantage of their release but instead plot & scheme to get back to the USA via a Yola en route to PR or used their advance degrees to become a crime king in the RD (most will choose the latter). A small portion will actually do something useful & productive and stay crime free.
Froggy replies:
Are you a mind reader. lol. that is purest speculation on your part.
JD_Dominguez, writes"
REALITY CHECK: The million dollar question is - given the 605 deportees to date ... how many innocent Dominican families will become victims of the crimes of the deportees above due to the fact they are habitual criminals in a land with minimum deterrent to crime (unlike in the USA)?
Froggy replies:
O.K., I give up, how many? I don't know and neither do you.
Quit posing unanswerable questions then offering your speculative answers as fact.
You are not a mind reader. And in view of the number of mind numbing offenses committed every day in the U.S. by U.S. citizens, we don't have any room to talk.
Again. If U.S. citizens weren't buying their product, there wouldn't be a problem. We create the problems, then impose draconian sentences on those who see the fat cats life style and naturally want a little of it for them selves. Just look at our own congressmen and senators taking graft.
Before judging men in advance and offering up dire consequences for them before they even commit your imagined offenses...
First cast out the mote from thine own eye..
Why risk honest and hard-working citizens, already burdened with monumental daily struggle to make ends meet and feed, clothe and shelter their families, with the additional threat of crime and aggression? I don't mean to totally ostracize these individuals, but I just want to do right by them and the other important citizens who did not commit any crimes. That's all.
As this is nearly a democratic forum, we are certainly all entitled to our opinions,
Froggym replies:
Haven't noticed anyone being deprived of that right.
glomarexplorer writes"
I do believe that one of govt's primary functions is to protect citizens against crime
Froggym replies:
Great. Show me a gov that does. I'll move there. So far I haven't seen one.
glomar writes;
to interrogate these individuals and establish as to whether or not they pose a threat to society.
froggym replies;
lol. .
glomar writes:
but I just want to do right by them and the other important citizens who did not commit any crimes. That's all.
Froggy replies:
I sympathize with your concern. But the only way to deter crime is to insure that children are raised in good families. Nothing else will work. As long as crooks and pimps and whores are allowed to raise children, we will have crooks and pimps and whores. Fact. Children immulate their role models.
Watch your postings closely....every now and again something gets deleted, and not necessarily by the poster. I wasn't around, but someone wrote to me telling me that GC was temporarily banned recently.
By the way, the US does what it can to protect its citizens under a functioning democracy and, I believe, that's why they extradite all of those Dominicans caught exporting and smuggling drugs into the USA.
For the rest, freedom for blocks(or bricks).
From: United States
((; but the majority of the low-life element see nothing wrong with making a fast buck.))
**Why should the congressmen and senators have all the fun?
Frog:
What are you one of those fluent in rhetoric recently deported; Nit-picking people's opinions?
Partner, these bums committed a crime and are lucky that DR accepts them.....Quite naturally many were Yoleros, primos, oficinistas en puntos, that only went north to come back phat!
Yet, they got busted!
And they're a lot luckier than the many that get viewed at Rivera Funeral Home on 173 St. & St. Nicholas or are shipped back home. The love of Money is the root of all evil.
Stop condoning!
They got busted..Barretta use to have a saying: "If you can't do the time. don't do the crime!"
Now they're back....There goes the neighborhood.....The crooks now roam the streets:
Get more bars for your windows and doors in Paradise! Watch your wives and children!
**Apparently a little more fluent than yourself. :o)
((Nit-picking people's opinions))
**Can you say, 'hypocrite', boys and girls. lol.
((that only went north to come back phat! ))
**And can you blame them for that? We are a culture that
worships success. Everyone admires what the fat cats have.
That is why the fat cats accumulate it. To be the envy of those
'lower' than themselves.
((The love of Money is the root of all evil. ))
**Thanks. You just made my point in your crude fashion.
((Barretta use to have a saying))
**Barretta is your role model. lol.
((The crooks now roam the streets:))
**I've busted more of those crooks than you have fingers and
toes, sonny. Some of them stayed bad, some straightened
out. 67% recidivism. But those that stay out the second time
usually go straight. We have more people in jail than any
country on earth. Has it stopped crime. lol.
My God, is The God of Second Chances
If some of them didn't go straight, at the rate this country locks people up, we would have a real problem.
Near 69 years of being on both sides of the law have taught me that incarceration is like putting a bandaid on Aids sores.
The only thing that will ever work as a permanent solution to social woes, is raising children with good role models in decent homes. Doesn't matter if Xian, or Budhhist, or Muslim. Just good values.
We have to keep those who have fallen from the straight and narrow from raising copies of them selves.
Nothing else will ever work!
"My God, is The God of Second Chances" Those crooks that are coming to DR were given second chance. US do not deport for first offence.
"The only thing that will ever work as a permanent solution to social woes, is raising children with good role models in decent homes. Doesn't matter if Xian, or Buddhist, or Muslim. “Froggyman. Have you ever hear of peer pressure? Why to take the risk with your precious cargo (your kids). If you raise your kids in a bad environment with bad company do not expect much from them. Buddhists and Muslims are surrounded by their own, in their own niche, their own bubble; they do not intermingle with criminals. Trust me on this.
From: United States
((What are you one of those fluent in rhetoric))
**Apparently a little more fluent than yourself. :o)
Frog:
You busted the spot by kickin' in the door!
What are you the new sherrif in town? If so watch out for Ricochet Rabbit!
Point by point rebuttals? What's this an encounter group or something, or a trial?
Sigues con tu muela de Phoenix House counselor - Sin Sing Correction Officer;
You're trying a liitle too hard to thrown your weight around & busting chops!
Your God of second changes must be the blue meany. Or, maybe it's Kali
the Godess of war. In either case, peace out, son!
**lol. The hypocrisy is so evident here, it is laughable.