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Santo Domingo. - The United States Government objected president Leonel Fernandez’s participation in the meeting of Central America chief executives with vice president Joe Biden in Costa Rica next Monday, that country’s ambassador Marta Núñez Madriz, and Dominican Foreign Relations vice minister Clara Quiñónez confirmed today.

In calls to the radio station Z-101 FM, both diplomats confirmed Costa Rica’s invitation to the preparatory meeting for the meeting with the U.S. vice president.

Núñez said her country’s Foreign Relations Minister called to inform of the U.S.’s objection to Fernandez’s participation, because it was only for Central America, and Dominican Republic is part of the Caribbean.

 The rejection occurred despite the country’s membership in the Central American Integration System (SICA).

The ambassador said president Oscar Arias regrets the United States decision, but it’s the U.S. authorities who are coordinating the meeting.

Quiñónez said she attended a previous meeting with the presidents in representation of Fernandez, and that where participating presidents and ministers there were very opposed to the United States decision.

She said the representatives of the countries spent two hours discussing the topic and Panama president Martin Torrijos noted that it wasn’t logical that Fernandez didn’t take part in the meeting when he’s the area leader who’s most studied the crisis and has made the most joint proposals on the topic.

She said the ministers and presidents entrusted Costa Rica’s Government to advise the United States on their desire that Fernandez participate in the meeting, but so far the U.S. has held its stance to object the Dominican President.

Cuba, Venezuela connections

Although the diplomats didn’t mention it and no one during the preparations for the meeting with Biden made reference to it, Fernandez’s recent visit to Cuba, where for more than two hours met with ex president Fidel Castro, who also wrote two extensive articles praising the Dominican chief executive, could have been one of the reason to snub Dominican Republic.

Fernandez's strong ties with Venezuela president Hugo Chavez has also been mentioned as a sour point in the relations between Washington and Santo Domingo.

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52 comment(s)
Written by: brootto, 27 Mar 2009 11:52 AM
From: United States, South West Florida
Too much photos op. is going to come back and bite his a$$
Written by: Lautaro, 27 Mar 2009 11:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
We have to watch out for this guy, as he was one of the responsible for Kosovo's mess. Who knows what nasty trick he might have up his sleeve.
Written by: buenoha, 27 Mar 2009 12:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
No se puede ser amigo de Dios y del Diablo a la vez, dicen los Americanos. Los Chinos dicen: el que es amigo de todos no es amigo de ninguno.

La diplomacia es algo muy delicado.

Written by: juanb, 27 Mar 2009 12:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Although the diplomats didn’t mention it and no one during the preparations for the meeting with Biden made reference to it, Fernandez’s recent visit to Cuba, where for more than two hours met with ex president Fidel Castro, who also wrote two extensive articles praising the Dominican chief executive, could have been one of the reason to snub Dominican Republic.

This is an amazing piece of journalistic guesswork. No diplomat mentioned it and no one during the preparation for the meeting with Biden made reference to it but losing twice to a team from the Netherlands, in a contest where they were strong favorites, could have been one of the reasons to snub the Dominican Republic.

I like mine better.
Written by: gmiller261, 27 Mar 2009 12:17 PM
From: United States
Now this is stupid.

The poor country has been in the 1950's for 50 years....
Written by: Lautaro, 27 Mar 2009 12:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
gmiller261 said: "The poor country has been in the 1950's for 50 years...."

Tell that to the cuban exiles, which seem to think that the US should go and outright bombard the place as in Iraq (specially the Alpha 66 crowd).
Written by: Cacique, 27 Mar 2009 12:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Well well this seems to be the golden opportunity for Dominicans to finally nip the umbilical chord attached to Uncle Sam's hiney ....
Written by: Manhattanite, 27 Mar 2009 1:25 PM
From: United States
Mr. Biden's staffers should bone up on their regional studies. DR has ties, interests and concerns not just in the islands but throughout the coastal rim, where nations of South America have regions/provinces with more similarity to Antillean nations like DR than with their continental neighbors. If they want to be holistic they should expect DR involvement in summits involving these geographies. Divide and conquer?
Written by: JD_Dominguez, 27 Mar 2009 1:26 PM
From: United States, Reality Check
The Dominican Gov has always been biting the hand that feeds them. They are always critical of the US despite massive RD Gov corruption & pardons while all the while the RD Gov has its hands out for more US aid, American & Canadian tourist!

This is deeper than LF's visit to Castro! If any US President was prepared to change paths & reach out to Cuba, it is our current President Obama (so, stop the cheap journalism & guess work). These snubs have been building for some time and did not just now start. Note President Bush et al did not attend President Fernandez's most recent inauguration and in a classic case of sour grapes Lionel canceled his plans to attend Obama's inaugural. At the root cause, the RD Gov has habitually practice corruption at all levels
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Mar 2009 1:28 PM
From: United States
au contraire; the USA has been in the 50s for 50 years. is this rubbish still going on? is the USA still telling other countries with whom they can associate? i thought that was last millenium's modus operandi. so what now? if we want a meeting with a foreign head of State, do we need to get approval from on high first?
Written by: jacirez This user is banned, 27 Mar 2009 1:52 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
The steem Prediente Fernandez should not feel snubbed. The U.S is nothing but a third world country with nukes...Just like Russia circa 1995...
Written by: cibaeño75, 27 Mar 2009 2:13 PM
From: United States, New York City
"au contraire; the USA has been in the 50s for 50 years. is this rubbish still going on? is the USA still telling other countries with whom they can associate? i thought that was last millenium's modus operandi. so what now? if we want a meeting with a foreign head of State, do we need to get approval from on high first?"

And some people obviously revel in that type of relationship. To paraphrase Juan Bosch, when certain Dominicans speak of "El Presidente" said this and "El Presidente" said that they are not referring to the Dominican president but instinctively to the American one.
Written by: Cacique, 27 Mar 2009 2:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic
JACIREZ, i wouldnt go that far, but JD and other yanks will never understand our feeings if they still believe the US is the world's philanthropist..
Written by: cibaeño75, 27 Mar 2009 2:16 PM
From: United States, New York City
"The poor country has been in the 1950's for 50 years.... "

Perhaps in certain respects but DR can only envy Cuba's educational acheivements and low infant mortality rate. One must not be close minded in finding solutions to pressing problems. Some societies can't afford the luxury of arrogance or ideological tunnel vision.
Written by: Dominime, 27 Mar 2009 2:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic
As Before

It's a real shame, this is a major sign what the US thinks of the DR in terms of being a "credible politically run nation". Do you think this will be the last sign of a US shut out. I think not and things will get worse in the DR before they get better. How long will these people continue to run your country and it's reputation into the ground before the people say enough.

If you fly with the crows, you get shot with the crows
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Mar 2009 2:48 PM
From: United States
and just whom might these "crows"be?
Written by: Dominime, 27 Mar 2009 3:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dreadlocks, Are you for real.

As Gringo_1 put it in a related article.

"I guess you cant have your picture taken with Castro, Chavez and Biden all in the same month"
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Mar 2009 3:22 PM
From: United States
is Biden one of the aforementioned crows?
Written by: Dominime, 27 Mar 2009 3:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic
It not your fault you don't get the big picture.
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Mar 2009 3:37 PM
From: United States
maybe you could enlighten me, Dominime. you see, i have no idea whether or not you are being serious or sarcastic. if you are a bit more specific with your statement, maybe it will help elucidate your ideological slant, and help me clear the fog.
Written by: MannyTav, 27 Mar 2009 4:06 PM
From: United States
I was under the impression that the new administration was going to be more open to dialogue with all countries, not juts those that cowtow to US whims. Perhaps it was just another in a long line of bs espoused by politicians. I hope the snub had nothing to do with Cuba unless it's in its relation to the growing threat from Russia. I mean, c'mon, Cuba is a joke. They're about as biog a threat to US as a fly to an elephant, unless Russis gets in there again. And while on Cuba, when is the US going to stop this insane policy towards it? I mean, it's not working, it's not going to work. What should have been done, BY CUBANS, was to take down the dictator whe he first rose up. But they didn't. And then they had the audacity to call for a policy that didn't hurt Castro, it hurt their family emmbers that satyed or were left in Cuba. I'm sure Castro has not gone to bed hungry all these years. What a waste.
Written by: old_school_trinitario, 27 Mar 2009 5:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
I'm glad Joe "i say the darnest things" Biden told el principe to stay put.

Leo can't be talking about regional issues when D.R is been swallowed by corruption and drug trafficking.
Written by: Gringo_1, 27 Mar 2009 5:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Why can't I find this post on the main DT. I found it in a google search.
Written by: jacirez This user is banned, 27 Mar 2009 5:59 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
gouletcolonial,

Biden is not a moron...He (and by extension, the U.S.A) is irrelevant to the geopolitical realities of Central America...
----------------DISCLAIMER----------------
The preceding comments by this poster were for entertainment purpose only. In reality I am rabidly pro-America. I believe that of all the potential powers in the world; the U.S.A has the best interest of the world at hear. God Bless America!!!
Written by: belly51, 27 Mar 2009 6:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Francisco y Houston,TX
I think what Leonel did was the right step and showed other countries that just cause USA doesn't like Cuba or Venezuela doesn't mean we should not talk to them. I believe other countries will follow to show some support to these countries and i said before we have to open up and look other ways not just USA.
Written by: CarlosFranco, 27 Mar 2009 6:19 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn

DR is a sovereign nation and should talk to whom ever it pleases...
If the US is upset, let them be

To be frank, this CAFTA deal is only hurting us!

Written by: jacirez This user is banned, 27 Mar 2009 6:37 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
CarlosFranco,

Given the measures that the administration of Lula has undertaken, the current global crisis will not affect Brazil. On the contrary, there are signs that Brazil will be one of the very few economies that will benefit from the current state of the world...
Written by: letroudeballeGeneroso This user is banned, 27 Mar 2009 8:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I agree with Mahattan! DR has the same language, culture, religion, and mother land as the countries of Central America. The rest of the Caribbean (and we must exclude Cuba and PR) are either administered by former European countries and/or are populated by mostly African decendents! DR is a different beast from Haiti, Jamaica and other insulars regions.

Biden is showing culture ignorance and this is intentionally done to isolate DR. And given the recent visit by a human rights group from the U.S. and the lambasting we got from the State Department report, all indicate that KONG Obama wants a fight with DR! We are not going to allow the Haitinization of DR! Suck my pipe Biden!!!!
Written by: letroudeballeGeneroso This user is banned, 27 Mar 2009 8:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Carlos Franco You are right!!! 100 %
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Mar 2009 8:34 PM
From: United States
letroudeballe, what do you mean by this?

populated by mostly African decendents! DR is a different beast from Haiti, Jamaica and other insulars regions.

insular? do you have any clue as to the history of the Caribbean? are you aware that the Prime Minister at the time,. Michael Manley, is the only Caribbean leader ever to expel a US ambassador? know why? because Vincent De Roulet tried to voice his displeasure at Manley's association with Cuba. do you also forget that Grenada was invaded by the US because of its associations with Cuba? if i remember correctly, the DR was busy dissociating itself from Cuba in those times. as a matter of fact, it is because of his pro washington stance that Trujillo was tolerated by washington. as LBJ said "HE IS A BASTARD, BUT HE IS OUR BASTARD". so, to the British caribbean, cooperation with latin america is not a new thing. why do you believe that Costa Rica and Panama have so many citizens with english surnames?
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Mar 2009 8:39 PM
From: United States
further, letroudeballe, did you know that the first capital of Jamaica was Santiago De La Vega? and that islands like Trinidad still have substantial spanish cultural artifacts? before you go off on these sociological expeditions, do a little google first.
Written by: chillaxin201 This user is banned, 27 Mar 2009 11:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Mar 2009 8:39 PM
From: United States
further, letroudeballe, did you know that the first capital of Jamaica was Santiago De La Vega? and that islands like Trinidad still have substantial spanish cultural artifacts? before you go off on these sociological expeditions, do a little google first.


I use to Date a Jamaican girl with substantial amount of Spanish blood.
I knew of Spanish town and echo Rios but not of Santiago de La Vega.
I will look that up.
Written by: chillaxin201 This user is banned, 27 Mar 2009 11:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
What will Leonel do? Will he stop receiving dirt cheap fossil fuel from Chavez and pay him the money we owe him?
And will LF send the teachers that have come from Cuba to teach the Dominican poor?

Maybe next time we have major outbreak of disease, President Fernandez will refuse help from the Cuban medical staff.
All this to please Uncle Sam.
Written by: abc200, 28 Mar 2009 7:09 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
New US admin is old wolf in new clothing. Obama the lacky for the crowd in control.....
US has nothing to do with Central America but is up to its medling ways oppressing the free people of the World with its crazy and crazed economics that has resulted in destitution for millions and is still promoting the destruction of the planet as we know it.
S.
Written by: Ponchero, 28 Mar 2009 8:21 AM
From: China, Shenzhen
"To be frank, this CAFTA deal is only hurting us!"

Absolutely freakin right! Thats what being a Lapdog has gotten us. Freakin CAFTA.

Buenoha, Muy buen dicho.

Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Mar 2009 8:29 AM
From: United States
Chillaxin, Spanish Town is the same city which used to be named Santiago de la Vega.
Written by: chillaxin201 This user is banned, 28 Mar 2009 11:55 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Mar 2009 8:29 AM
From: United States
Chillaxin, Spanish Town is the same city which used to be named Santiago de la Vega.


Yes.. I learned that after I looked it up, unlike people like AnthonyC, i do my research...
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Mar 2009 12:00 PM
From: United States
touche..
Written by: Edward, 28 Mar 2009 2:12 PM
From: United States, Faux News: Unfair Imbalance
D.C. should mind its own business!
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Mar 2009 2:30 PM
From: United States
now, now , Edward. there are certain realities we have to live with. they are called things like IADB, IMF, WORLD BANK. so, we must be polite, even if we have to bite our tongues!
Written by: jacirez This user is banned, 28 Mar 2009 2:55 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
abc200,
"...New US admin is old wolf in new clothing. Obama the lacky for the crowd in control.....
US has nothing to do with Central America but is up to its meddling ways oppressing the free people of the World with its crazy and crazed economics that has resulted in destitution for millions and is still promoting the destruction of the planet as we know it..."

hahahahahahahaha...ha!!!
Another "Old world" colonist who does not realized his time has come and gone. The United Kingdom has not been a "power" for the last 200 years! What little influence her majesty has in world affairs come from her association with uncle Sam....Laughable!!!
Written by: etiennc01, 28 Mar 2009 3:04 PM
From: United States
the us have been cozy with china and and russia that are communist / socialist states,
Written by: antonioj, 28 Mar 2009 5:55 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"Written by: brootto, 27 Mar 2009 11:52 AM
From: United States, South West Florida
Too much photos op. is going to come back and bite his a$$
"
Leonel need to collect his airmiles point before his term is over.
Written by: antonioj, 28 Mar 2009 6:02 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Mar 2009 8:39 PM
From: United States
further, letroudeballe, did you know that the first capital of Jamaica was Santiago De La Vega? and that islands like Trinidad still have substantial spanish cultural artifacts? before you go off on these sociological expeditions, do a little google first.
"

letroudeballe aka greenwave is the self proclaim Haitian hater, I doubt you can pour any common sense on his narrow mind, his lustre vocabulary consist of describing the human anatomy on all his sentences.
Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Mar 2009 6:13 PM
From: United States
this board is crawling with angry guys looking to start wars. what is with this new thing wherein Dominicans are just lashing out against the other caribbean nations? is it the fault of Antigua that there are apagones? does Barbados create the education test scores? does trinidad aid and abet the politicos to rip off the public? this deep seated, festering anger against the rest of the caribbean seems to be the current fashion . if people choose to cast their lot with other countries far away, that is their prerogative. i have no beef with that..but what is with this lashing out against neighboring states? seems a little adolescent, in my opinion.
Written by: abc200, 28 Mar 2009 11:02 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
jac US government''s only influence is trying to control a tailspin in most areas brought about by its blue eyed idiots.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7967546.stm
Basketball courts use less energy than bowling ally.
UK demonstration!
"This march is another little tap in the coffin of capitalism."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7969932.stm
S.
Written by: etiennc01, 29 Mar 2009 2:59 PM
From: United States
The Obama Biden clan neds to appease some of the mamoths who are still looking for enemies and a country to attack.
Let's attack Cuba or Venezuala or the Dominican Republic.
Forget about the economy let's rally the troup, let's invade a country.
Iran ? North Korea?
No they are too strong !
Written by: abc200, 6 Apr 2009 7:26 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Trouble at top - Cuba sounds just like US. Same problems - needs more Victory Gardens, changes in healthcare plan, cut imports, have good people at the top. However the Cuba people will be victorious whereas the US Victory gardens will grow weeds while the people smoke crack.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/isa....bama-victory-garden_b_143309.html
I guess the US grows carrots with twisted roots. After the eight year winter of discontent!
The Obamas roll up their sleves:
As the economy falters, members of this newly appointed first family would do well to show that they can roll up their sleeves, collaborate, and sustain themselves directly from the land.
GC could have a giant breadfruit tree, build a tree house cook the breadfruit with solar and live a happy life as the monkey he is.
http://www.sunbdcorp.com/
S.

Written by: dreadlocks, 6 Apr 2009 7:32 AM
From: United States
correction, ABC. that should read NEWLY ELECTED FIRST FAILY, not NEWLY APPOINTED. even NEWLY ANOINTED will do.
Written by: abc200, 6 Apr 2009 7:38 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Democracy needs introducing to the US first.
US with other counries have dismembered democracy.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/10/10-4
US newspapers going bust produce rubbish by the mile.
S.
Written by: abc200, 6 Apr 2009 7:42 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
GC the deaf dumb and blind kid has yet to see the light.......
The distractions of reality never enter GC's vacant cranium....
http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/lyrics/pinballwiz.html
S.
Written by: abc200, 6 Apr 2009 9:12 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Correction appoited first family - see article - obama can legitimately divorce his wife and appoint another - with different kids as well. Like Sarkozy. No one voted for Ms. Obama.
http://www.theeagle.com/PrinterFriendly/The-first-lady-sings
S.
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