Of course. They have no other options.

Possibly, the US wants to discuss some sensitive issues that they do NOT want Prez LF returning to share his notes with Hugo Chavez. The only way to prevent this info being shared is to specifically NOT invite Fernandez (also Lionel has more than enough things to fix at home).

Oh-oh!
That's what you get for pissing off Barry O, of the U.S...

Let me get this clear then, the DR obviously wanted to participate in the meeting and was denied.
It is like calling somebody and saying, "hey you are having a party and I am your friend so please invite me".
And then being responded to: "Oh well, yes I know that we are friends but I decided that you would not fit in the particular group of people that I have invited, and decided that it would be best if you didn't attend".
Our fault for wanting to be such brown nosers all the time and looking for a way to get out of the heat of the kitchen so much.
President Fernandez, do not let yourself be conned by your own party.
Fire the ministers that are not doing their job, no matter what!

generoso,

At the dawn of 2009, it is not that bad being in the U.S s#$t list...
The U.S right now is nothing but a third world country with nukes...

regardless of us being a third world nations everyone wants it as a friend and if el presidente stop the photos op. he might be able to get somewhere. stop the a$$ kiss

It's a real shame, this is a major sign what the US thinks of the DR in terms of being a "credible politically run nation". Do you think this will be the last sign of a US shut out. I think not and things will get worse in the DR before they get better. How long will these people continue to run your country and it's reputation into the ground before the people say enough.

The truth is there is lots more dirty washing to be done before anyone in the DR is coming out with clean sheets.

Message to the rest of the world:
What the US says goes.

Written by: jacirez, 27 Mar 2009 1:51 PM
From: Yemen, Hajjah

At the dawn of 2009, it is not that bad being in the U.S s#$t list...
The U.S right now is nothing but a third world country with nukes...

You have my vote for stupidest post of the year.

anthonyC
As much as I hate to admit it, you are right on this time!
Stupid is as stupid does....

I guess you cant have your picture taken with Castro, Chavez and Biden all in the same month. LOL.

I say that from now on we should accept no aid from the US regardless of the form that this aid takes. Let's cut the umbilical cord now. Let's throw in with Cuba. Let Castro help us out every time we go belly up with a flood or other natural disaster, and let him teach us how to run our economy. Seems like their's is booming. Let's ask Chavez to show us how to eliminate this free speech thing that some seem to find so important, and how we can increase the number of murders dramatically as he has done. Let´s let both of them come to our aid all the time. Yeah, that's the ticket.

AnthonyC:
I hope this gets you to rethink your award of the stupidest post of the year to jacirez.

Please!, PLEASE! Fernández showed his interest in an invitation and the answer was NO!, the group of presidents that is going to be in the meeting asked for his presence and the answer again was NO!, the group insisted (Costa Rica wanted the Dominican president over there) and the answer again was NO! This has nothing to do with Chavez or even Castro. Something serious is happening, more serious than his relations with those leaders. Corruption, drugs, the border and the Haitian problem, his political imprecision… everything? Something really serious is happening and the message to the world is going to hurt us.

anthonyC,

All I have to say my friend is: Read The Post-American World by Fareed Zakaria
The american century is OVER!!!
Excerpt:
"...American anxiety springs from something much deeper, a sense that large and disruptive forces are coursing through the world. In almost every industry, in every aspect of life, it feels like the patterns of the past are being scrambled. "Whirl is king, having driven out Zeus," wrote Aristophanes 2,400 years ago. And—for the first time in living memory—the United States does not seem to be leading the charge. Americans see that a new world is coming into being, but fear it is one being shaped in distant lands and by foreign people..."

How can the most indebted country in the face of the world, reject Leonel Fernandez.. What is this world coming to, although Fernandez's administration is a disastrous one in many aspects this is a terrible sign of disrespect. Maybe the Chinese and Saudi's will takeover the leadership of the World Bank and demand that the U.S. dollar be banned as the dominant world currency LOL. Afterall the U.S. is so indebted to these two nations, funny i heard from the mouth of the fed chairman that he agreed with the Chinese in creating a common currency? oops!!!!! Then the media tried to manipulate the information, and reported that later he had denied what he already said clearly under scrutiny funny.

Jacirez,
This is a global problem not just an American problem. If America fails every nation on the planet will be hurt. Every contry has US residents that send USD back home, without that incoming cash coming in everyone will fail.

We must reject Obama and his Democratic party machine that they have just picked a fight against DR! Obama trashed DR in the latest U.S. State department report on DR (2009)! We are planning to kick the U.S. ambassador ouf of DR and the Southern Command better relocate their current operations to another country!
We are tired of being treated like children by this proAfrican bastards! The antiDominican campaing has been legitimized by KONG OBAMA who is siding with the Haitian. If they want a fight, we will give them one! We are so intertwine with them that the U.S. has no idea of what they are getting into!@

xwill7,
Are you delusional?
We are a global class. If the U.S fails, people will just move to where the action is...
It’s funny that the only people who don’t realize the US dominance is over are the people living in the US….You people sail the river the Nile (denial)…LOL

jackal if the US goes in the crapper your country Canada goes with it dont forget ....Homer Simpson calls Canada ? ....America junior......so your igloo melts also Nanook

Letroude: you have shown your true racist sentiments. And do you actually believe that Obama had anything to do with a report prepared by the outgoing US administration.
Jacirea: Keep doing your voodoo to bring down the US. It ain't gonna happen.
Gizmo: Instead of worrying about being slighted, I would be more concerned about why the US is willing to exclude us from this meeting.

I bet you guys all have the new blue, yellow or pink headlights. Right?

You seem to forget that your Canada depends on USA

xwill7,

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!
We have the largest reserve of un-conventional oil in the world. The largest Uranium reserve in the world. The world largest supply of fresh water, dimonds, forestry products, etc, etc, etc...We will be ok...

Too bad most of it is unprofitable at the moment.

Jacirez,
I know that you support USA. You must have several American made products at home. Until you rid your home of all American products, you will continue to love the red, white, and blue. No one can live without an IPOD!

and the Americans control it.....remember jackal Canada is like a stalker it has pictures of the USA all over its bedroom walls and the USA does not even know who you are ....eh

xwill7,
You idiot! You just made my point:
The Ipod and every single consumer electronic you have at home was designed and built in ASIA (China, Taiwan, Singapore, etc...)
The U.S outsourced its manufacturing base way back in the 1990s. You got NOTHING!!!
Just an unpayable debt...
Oh, oh and just for spite. We will take all the oil up there in the artic {The Canadian Continental Shelf} and control the North West Passage, too.

We design the technology and use Asia as slave labor. You probably drive an American car too

by pedrod "This has nothing to do with Chavez or even Castro. Something serious is happening, more serious than his relations with those leaders. Corruption, drugs, the border and the Haitian problem, his political imprecision… everything? Something really serious is happening and the message to the world is going to hurt us."


my friend you hit it right in the nail.

xwill7,

You fool!
You, in your incredible wisdom, have even outsourced the design of your consumer electronics, Automitives, Engineering, etc. to India, Taiwan and other centers in South Asia....
It is a sad state of affairs, you have nothing. No manufacturing base, no technological advantage, no cultural pre-eminence...you have nothing...
I would not be caught dead driving a Ford, GM or Chrysler...I only Drive Japanese or German my friend...Just got me a 2009 BMW X6

You have not admitted that love USA or hate USA, you can't live without USA

xwill7,

That is my point: As of 2009, the U.S is, for lack of a better word, irrelevant...
The era of the Sole Superpower is gone. We have entered the era of Regional Powers. In this context, having close relationships with Venezuela, Brazil, India and others, it is more profiatable for the Dominican Republic than continuing to be the US lap dog...

Juanb,

They could also take some crowd control measures and political voting process procedures from Robert Mugabe. He too, is adept at controling his country!

Other than he gets a pay check from blackwater or Xe or whatever they call themselves after being run out of Iraq. I am sure most of their money still comes from the US gov't. LOL

Gringo_1,
Xe is a global entity. [THEY] owe allegiance to no one. [THEY] will continue to shape geopolitical realities in the world for years to come. No matter who emerges as the pre-eminent power in the world, [THEY] will be right by its side...

Your funny. Does that come from the "Mercenary Manual 101" Keep it up. As all mercenaries they owe allegiance to the mighty dollar. LOL

Gringo_1,
..And another thing: The U.S dollar is no longer the pre-eminent currency for world commerce; that title has been taken over by the Euro, and to a lesser extent, the Pound Sterling...
Admit it. The US is OVER. It's time you guys look inwards and rebuild...then make a comeback in ten-fifteen years...
----------------DISCLAIMER----------------
The preceding comments by this poster were for entertainment purpose only. In reality I am rabidly pro-America. I believe that of all the potential powers in the world; the U.S.A has the best interest of the world at hear. God Bless America!!!

Are you for real? You just edited your post with a disclaimer. Anyways, got to go. Cheers!

our own mascot

for those of you who doesnt know who jacirez is yet HE IS OUR DT PET

Gringo_1,

Although I was shooting my mouth off. Some of the things I said are also true. Since 1996 the U.S has systematically dismantled its manufacturing base and otherwise outsourced many of the infrastructures that would have made it a lot easier for it to rise from the current recession...
Even when it comes to Art and entertainment (long the sole domain of the American entertainment industry) we are being challenged by countries like India, China and others...

vacanos,

Off you go to the kiddies table. Grownups are talking now...

From what a read in El listin and Diario libre; the office of the vice president wants to speak to central American country in Costa Rica, the president of that country Oscar Arias wanted the DR to be present, but the answer from the vice president scheduler was that DR is schedule for his meeting with the Caribbean nation.

You guys are like an unattractive woman sniping at the entrants in a beauty contest. The only thing that has gone down is the respect for the DR in the rest of the world, thanks to our corrupt government.. As much as you hate to hear it, the US will pull out of its tailspin and once again become the preeminent economy. A hundred years from now it will be China, but for now it will be the US.

juanb

A hundred years from now it will be China, but for now it will be the US.

Have you done the numbers of how much debt USA is in before you made that statement. Well here are some numbers

Just based on the recent "Bailout" each USA families have to pay 500 thousand dollar just to get off government debt and is estimated that it will take generations before we get out of debt. So how long do you think it will take to pay 500,000 dollars making payments of 30% tax rate which gets split into many directions and end up being more like a 2% of the 30%. now think about this for a while. This numbers are based on my case and the national avg could be lot lower than that.
the talk of a real Standard currency is already on the table since the dollar is not worth much now days.

http://www.ameromints.com/amero4.gif you should check this video one of the smartest politician in USA.

jacirez,
Shock Therapy has everything you need.

Venezuela can handle socialism because it has a great amount of resources to support its GDP. The DR has not resources and the DR count on foreign investments. For Leonel Fernandez is better to promote stability and stop playing on both sides. The DR needs the United States, Canada, and Europe in order to promote the DR as a emerging economic where investors can invest with confidence. Leonel is getting influence by Chavez in exchange of cheap oil. Leonel is moving toward the wrong direction and he could lose many things. The problem is, that the poor people in the DR will suffer most of the consequences. The United States is one of our biggest trading partners.

It's supposed to be a meeting between Washington's number 2 and central american countries. The DR is in the middle of the Caribbean.

The world is not going to end because of this economic crisis or going to abandon capitalism for marxism.

self proclaimed genius ?
A self proclaimed genius is a person that thinks they either know everything, or that they are all that and a bag of chips.


GC remind you of anyone ?

Just when you thought they couldn't make themselves look any more stupid or any less in touch with what they are doing, the Obama administration come with this fiasco; who in the world does Joe Biden think he is to tell the President of a friendly country who can come to a meeting of President with a Vice. Joe did any body tell you that you are mentally challenged?

With all of the serious problems going on in the world, I can not believe we are entertaining the joker here. Are abc and the joker the same? They seem to make same degree of sense on any subject.

One would have to be a bloody imbecile to discount the still relevant economic and military might of the USA. The present economic crisis is a world wide concern and, contrary to apparent popular beliefs, the US is in better position than most countries to weather the storm. Many European countries, for those of socialist leaning, are in deep S$%t [Ireland, Portugal, France, Greece, etc] economic trouble and face significant unrest at home as a consequence.

Like the mythical phoenix, the US shall rise again and infinitely stronger. Don't wish too hard for the emergence of China as an economic and military powerhouse, for they would have the resources [financial and people] & desire to conquer and rule the world for decades. You commies have better start learning Chinese!

Let's not give Joe B too much credit, even a blind squirrel finds a nut eventually.

glomarexplorer,
Your incoherent ramblings notwithstanding, the process whereby China would emerge as the pre-eminent power in the world has been going on for years. It has only accelerated over the last ten years or so. Although it has not reached the point of no return; only a concerned effort by the western powers will arrest or reverse the process...
Whether or not a china as a superpower will benefit the third world should be left to the experts; but if Africa is now any indication; then I see a bad moon rising...

Glomarexploer

We had our diferences before but i totally agree wit you we better start learning chinesse and looking that way in the near future. I have been saying this same things for a long time now.China have showed a lot of interest in DR so why are we wasting time the only way out is to look whats up next and go from there.

belly51, BASTA,
I am by no means a Yankee-lover; but I tell you this: Given what China is doing in Africa right now; I would not want the Dominican Republic to be in their cross-hairs.

Granted, of all the ancient civilizations, (Egyptian, Roman, Greek, Ottoman, etc.) China is the only one still around. You don't get to last 2000 years (Imperial, Republic, Communist, and Corporate incarnations notwithstanding) unless you know how to play the game.

Unlike the U.S (for better or worse) China does not have a tradition of respecting Human Rights, Minority and/or Environmental rights. They have one goal and one goal only: To secure a stable source of raw materials with which to fuel it continuous growth. Nation-building, Fomenting Democracy and/or Development in other countries outside of china do not even factor in their thinking.
We are to them a resource to be exploited and nothing more...

we are Chinese food !

the Jackal is today using Sodomy Arabia as his address which begs the question ...If Turkey in the last Iraqi war had attacked Iraq from the rear would Greece have helped ?

gouletcolonial,

Why the hatin'...?

jackal only wishes he was in Sodomy Arabia under a palm tree eating his date but in reality is freezing his stones off somewhere just south of NWT

Good recognition. DR can stay out of US imperialist camp! Bring its freedom loving people forward to fight US oppression and lies!
S.

It would be to our total advantage to learn Chinese, the Panamanians have passed a law doing exactly that. They have begun teaching Chinese from first grade and up starting in 07. What exactly has China done in Africa? Yes, they are searching for raw mateials to feed their growth but unlike Western powers for centuries, they dont pillage everything, install puppet governments and systematically destroy the environment of the local people. In fact from what I have read they have a simple system, we build your infrastructure, you give us your raw materials.

What has being lapdogs for the last decades gotten us? We should carve our path in this new century and look at our national interest first. I believe Leonel has done a great job reaching out to the world in the name of the Dominican nation. So we shouldnt have wanted to go to a lapdog party anyway, these slights have been happening for some time now. Lets say No to US imperialism and Yes to building our country on our own terms.

punchy go to Tibet and tell them how good they got it ....while youre there try to sell them some of that toothpaste you broker

Ponchero, the statute makes the teaching of chinese obligatory, but not mandatory. but it is a major step in the right direction. there is a paradigm shift in the world realpolitik, and those who get on board early will position themselves to take best advantage.

Ponchero

It would be totally advantageous to learn English. Even if the yuan becomes the world currency, you live in the Americas where it is obvious to have a second language such as English. I don't ever think Chinese will become the norm for business nor for the USA and Canada. I think learning English opens up a lot of job possibilities even if you don't have an education behind it.

Ponchero,
Are you Mad?!!!
In Africa, China is a major investor. China imports more than 10 percent of its oil from Angola, Equatorial Guinea, Nigeria, and Sudan, and obtains minerals such as copper from Zambia and Congo, platinum and chrome from Zimbabwe and South Africa, and much more. It also purchases large forests of African timber. None of that mercantile activity is objectionable to Africa or the United States, nor should Washington worry about Chinese infrastructural construction of ports, railways, and roads in Africa.

Ponchero,
continued....
But China also supplies arms to Africa. It backs President Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe, gives him aircraft and armored cars, and takes land and minerals in exchange. Oppression in Sudan is heavily facilitated by China, which trains the pilots who bomb Darfuri refugee camps and provides the weapons with which the janjaweed and others kill innocent civilians. More so, China pumps Sudan's oil, guards the oil wells and pipeline, runs the refinery, and funds President Omar al-Bashir, recently indicted by the International Criminal Court for war crimes. If the Obama administration is going to reduce the killing fields in Darfur and remove Mugabe from power in Zimbabwe, it will need China's help.

Ponchero,
continued...

Consider that in a world dominated by China, The Miracle of South Africa would not be possible...
Countries like Equatorial Guinea, The Democratic Republic of Congo, Gabon, Angola, Burma will never see the light of a democratic day. Human rights and democracy is not part of the China-as-a-global-power agenda. Plain and simple...

Jacirez is correct. Consider this:

http://www.heritage.org/research/asiaandthepacific/bg1916.cfm

punchy just wants to make a fast buck selling toothpaste and knockoffs....human rights mean nothing

dread and punchy can play chinese checkers together in the correct idiom ......I am impressed

Excerpts from: Special Report: China Storms Africa, By: Richard BeharSun Jun 1, 2008
"...During my recovery, I had time to dwell on parasites, how they invade and deplete their hosts, much as successive colonial powers have done over the centuries in places such as Africa. Anyone who thinks that kind of ravenous acquisition of resources is a thing of the past should take a close look at the suction China is applying in the sub-Sahara. The region is now the scene of one of the most sweeping, bare-knuckled, and ingenious resource grabs the world has ever seen..."
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazi....ecial-report-china-in-africa.html

Continued...
"...Beijing declared 2006 the "Year of Africa," and China's leaders have made one Bono-like tour after another. No other major power has shown the same interest or muscle, or the sheer ability to cozy up to African leaders. And unlike America's faltering effort in Iraq, the Chinese ain't spreading democracy, folks. They're there to get what they need to feed the machine. The phenomenon even has a name on the ground in the sub-Sahara: the Great Chinese Takeout..."

China reminds me of Japan of the 1980's.

Made a big splash they they came back to reality.

punchy go to tibet.....the chinese got a long way to go before we will be pulling their rickshaw chop chop

anthonyC,
You fool!
Japan in the 1980s did not have 3.5 trillion (That's trillion with a T) in foreign reserves, a 6.5 GDP annual growth at a time the rest of the world is contracting; and economy which exports 40% of its GDP, a billion plus pool of cheap labor, etc. etc, etc.
Not to take China seriously is naive at least and suicidal at most.

i agree, anthonyc. also reminds me of the USA of the 2000s

I opened a new thread in the forum as an extension to this discussion:
Dominican Republic in the new World Order
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....-in-the-New-World-Order#post18357

it is ok for fernandez to get cozy with china and russia but not with cuba.

who said that george bush ,dick cheney and all the other mammoths have been extinguished.

letroudeballeGeneroso,
"We must reject Obama and his Democratic party machine that they have just picked a fight against DR! Obama trashed DR in the latest U.S. State department report on DR (2009)! We are planning to kick the U.S. ambassador ouf of DR and the Southern Command better relocate their current operations to another country!
We are tired of being treated like children by this proAfrican bastards! The antiDominican campaing has been legitimized by KONG OBAMA who is siding with the Haitian. If they want a fight, we will give them one! We are so intertwine with them that the U.S. has no idea of what they are getting into!@" ..................................Amen!

ABC200,
"Good recognition. DR can stay out of US imperialist camp! Bring its freedom loving people forward to fight US oppression and lies!"........................................................Amen!

DR has probalby pissed off China more than most other countries via its blatant overtures to Taiwan and its tacit and opportunistic support for that nation, which the Chinese view as a rogue province and not an independent nation. There could be hell to pay for this transgression, perrhaps way more than anticipated. Our leadership has clearly failed to fully consider the magnitude and extent of potential consequences of these actions.

BTW, I agree with most of the comments on Chinese activities in Africa.

I know some of you dispise the US, although you are not bashful about taking its money and aid, then spitting in its face and always complain that it is not enough. Just remember that the US wants to promote democracy and opportunity and that it cares infinitely more about its benevolent reputation than the Chinese do.

While you might be able to say no to and malign this great nation [USA], you certainly will not be able to do so to the Chinese, once they have moved into your country like they have done in Africa. Please remember that fact.

Glomar , ever the voice of reason, with a well measured analysis. please folks, do not count the chickens before they are hatched. do not throw Uncle Sam over the side until you are sure that there is a viable Plan B. that is not the Chinese, as Glomar reminds you that Leonel has already screwed that pooch. a little circumspection goes a long way. so, easy with the namecalling and bluster. these things have a away of coming back to bite you in the butt.

Dread,
No one is throwing Uncle Sam over the side, but at the same time, wasn't Leonel invited and then rejected? They shouldn't have invited on the first place. He is our leader and whatever happens to him we feel it.
On the Chinese, no one should trust the Chinese. They only do whatever is best for them. You can see their behavior in their everyday lives. In driving, they will never let you get in front of them even if you're about to loose your exit, they're the worst drivers. In jobs especially in banking, don't you dare try to get a post. They only bank in their banks or where there is a high percentage of Chinese or Asians, in banking they do the creepiest scams one can imaging and they never get cut. Their tons of prostitutes in the tons of massage parlors never get investigated, jailed, of fined. And forget about them buying American cars. They will never buy an American car. They do well for them selves not for the rest.

Dr. Dread,

Thank you for kind words. However, with your well-founded, factual and insightful contributions, you are infinitely more worthy of being called the "voice of reason" than I'll ever be. There are other contributors to this forum as well who are also more deserving than myself.

There are many times when I've refrained from contributing to a story after reading your comments and those of others who are intellectually minded and mature sufficiently to materially contribute to the evolution of a featured story, realizing that any further statements from me or others would only be superfluous, controversial or altogether inappropriate.

Again, thanks for kind words.

letroudeballeGeneroso,
Just so you know, the U.S Southern Command is:
Active 1963-present
Country United States
Type Unified Combatant Command
Headquarters Miami, Florida
Nickname USSOUTHCOM
Engagements Invasion of Panama

poponlaburra,
"...On the Chinese, no one should trust the Chinese. They only do whatever is best for them. You can see their behavior in their everyday lives. In driving, they will never let you get in front of them even if you're about to loose your exit, they're the worst drivers. In jobs especially in banking, don't you dare try to get a post. They only bank in their banks or where there is a high percentage of Chinese or Asians, in banking they do the creepiest scams one can imaging and they never get cut. Their tons of prostitutes in the tons of massage parlors never get investigated, jailed, of fined. And forget about them buying American cars. They will never buy an American car. They do well for them selves not for the rest...."

Your verbal diarrhea notwithstanding, as it i soften the case; the problem is not the 2.0+ billion Chinese on the planet; but the few at the top. They are the ones who we should watch out for.

jacirez,
so is your brain. How is your body builder lover?

poponlaburra,
Same as you mamma: Face down, a$$ up >.<

Jacirez, I wonder how you take it, with or without vaceline?

poponlaburra,

Let's play the Dozen, shall we...?
Your mamma likes it bare-back and rough...how about you?...

no-one would ever buy an American car!
S.

abc200,
As I have said before; the US has not reached the point of no-return in terms of economic decline; but they are running out of room fast...

Jacirez,
can you give me a better one pleeeeeeeese.
Just make sure you tell your lover about "Don't ask-Don't tell" those guys at the former Blackwater are machos all the way, they do like a guy looking at them over the urinal.

poponlaburra,

Funny thing is your mamma did "ask" and we all "tooled" her...
oh, oh, oh. I got another one. I got another one:
We all bent her "nacho" over the urinal...All the way!!!

Ja,ja,ja,
Jacirez, How funny a man who think he is the king of knowledge use such naive jokes.
Hey congratulations on upgrading the picture. We got tired and disgusted of looking at your lover behind.
By the way Dominicans do not use the the word "your mamma".

What a complexed pajaro you are Jacirez.

poponlaburra,
ok then, tu mamà, entonces...

It is the hallmark of the intellectually enlightened, that we can roll with 'whatever'. I can quote you Friedrich Nietzsche and Jay-Z in a single sentence, my child...

ABC200,
I love my Suburbans (yes the monster) and also like Tahoes. No matter people say they are confotable. So far my suburban has been reliable and drives smoother than a Passat I had in 2002.

I see Jacirez,
I understand your hating your mother. You loved you father so much. Was he the one who initiated you! How old were you my child, 12? Is that why you like muscle men? Tell me child, let it out, I feel your sorrow and agony!!

The issue with the US is the fact they gutted their manufacturing base, outsourced all Engineering, Design and Research & Development. They wrongly assumed that an economy based solely in Financial Services (intangible pieces of paper) could survive a global decline the likes of which we experience now.
No empire is capable of surviving such a radical paradigm shift without a brick and mortal base (No manufacturing or intellectual capital)

poponlaburra,

It's true!
It's all true!
Oh the pain!
The Humanity!
hahahahahahahahahaha!
hahahahahahahahahaha!
hahahahahahahahahaha!
hahahahahahahahahaha!
hahahahahahahahahaha!
hahahahahahahahahaha!

I must warn, my child: Many have tried; but it is a matter of record that locking horns with me is not for the faint of heart. Seeing that I am now bored, I will play along with your childish scheme.
Go on, child, amuse me...

Jacirez (alias Dominicanation),
that is how you revealed your self.
Muscle men like your lover are not normally "intellectually enlightened" with the exception of The Terminator" who have the Kennedys as his teachers.

poponlaburra,
You amuse me, yes.
To call Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger "intellectually enlightened" is an insult to all the morons on the planet!
BTW, I don't know who Dominicanation is...

Jacirez,
how funny! your phrase "is not for the faint of heart" was used by Dominicanation when replying to me in one of the posts. Uuuh???

Jacirez,
do you know Schwarzenegger personally to say he is not.

poponlaburra,
"...Every elevation of the type “man,” has hitherto been the work of an aristocratic society and so it will always be—a society believing in a long scale of gradations of rank and differences of worth among human beings, and requiring slavery in some form or other..."
Does that mean I'm Friedrich Nietzsche now...?

poponlaburra,
I would describe Schwarzenegger as ambitious, bright, determined, opportunistic, etc. "Intellectually enlightened", not so much...
Has he contributed anything to American thought? Has he advanced any Social, Political, Economical theories that I don't know about...?

poponlaburra,

Oh, good grief. How old are you, Twelve?
This bores me....

Enough Jacirez, cut it off now, let’s not annoy the readers now. Enough. Let's quit.
Just go and get some of your muscle man basuca for now.

jacirez,
I'll never dropped the soap around you.LOL.

yumnuk3,
Wait a minute...
Weren't you one of the old drag queens that got arrested on Broadway last night...?

You got more issues than National Geographic! You are a deadbolt with a broken cylinder. LOL.LOL.LOL.

pop has a confotable car and trashes the planet. Try a donkey!
Mr Nod saves fuel too by keeping the lawn short and recycling cuttings - execellent mushrooms!
Plus Mr. Nod is excellent off-road goes places no heap of iron can go.
Ski -doo and roller coaster are cost effective too.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/89425302@N00/
S.

abc200, you'll be surprice. The car gets pack with friend's and kids reducing amount of trips friends and family make.
I love donkeys. Have you try a donkey ride, the ride is bumpy but fun!

poponlaburra,
Weren't you arrested with yumnuk3 last night for disorderly conduct...?
Old Raggedy-Ass and wrinkled drag queens behaving like drunken sailors...Shame, Shame...

Jacirez la bestia,
We got arrested because we were spectators of a show were you were being f....d by a horse.

poponlaburra,

In case you didn't know, my company routinely monitors police scanners (as part of our Police Training programs). I have it on good authority that you and your "girlfriend" we arrested near the South of Columbus Circle, in full drag and intoxicated, shouting obscenities at a group of young "males" who did not welcomed your advances...You "ladies" have no class...Shame, shame on you both...I should post your mug shots for all the DT public to see...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/135536811_5ca39a006d.jpg?v=0

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com....ewComp/SuperStock_1660R-16161.jpg

kids should ride bicycles or travel by shool bus. Or if the journey to to school is long and arduous join a donkey train as they do in Albania and Mongolia. US needs petrol rationing to correct balance of trade and its brats need the discipline of riding a bycycle.
http://www.bikefriday.com/dealers..../2009/01/obamaschool?time=current
S.

Crazed US citizens live on Brazil slavery. No wonder they act strangely and many end up in prison!
S.
http://www.mongabay.com/external/slavery_in_brazil.htm

Glomar, thanks for the unwarranted kind words. and poponlaburra, very insightful understanding of the chinese cultural imperatives. and, as i posted in the forum, all who think america is dead better put the funeral suit back in the closet where it belongs. you will not be having the opportunity to wear it in your lifetime. i have a good suggestion; plastic wrap and mothballs.

Santo Domingo. - The Dominican Government today downplayed the United States decision to reject president Leonel Fernandez’s participation in the meeting of Central American leaders with vice president Joe Biden in Costa Rica Monday, for which he doesn’t feel as a victim.

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Now we're talking !!!! This is good news to my ears.

God Bless the U.S!!!!

Glo
Just remember that the US wants to promote democracy and opportunity and that it cares infinitely more about its benevolent reputation than the Chinese do.

when was that - US promotes slavery and unemployment though its MNC's and subsidised agriculture produce defeating farmers throughout the World.

Yes - hacks write about US benevolence - endless words - but the plan is to surround US by countries like Haiti to feed US consumer greed, Mexico is next.

http://www.mongabay.com/external/slavery_in_brazil.htm

Steve

GC lives in his imaginary world and issues his rants.
S.

and on!
S.

The rants go on - the rants go on ........
S.

and on!
needs an energy star instead wasting energy typing his rants!
S.

Biden is a S.O.B.! He basically said that the U.S. will continue with the embargo so where is the freaking change?

Where's the embago against China..
Or the UK - the UK has a socialistic health care system reeking of communism.
Warped minds support China!
I have here in my hand a list of 205 . . . a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department. ...
As you know, very recently the Secretary of State proclaimed his loyalty to a man guilty of what has always been considered as the most abominable of all crimes — being a traitor to the people who gave him a position of great trust — high treason. ... He has lighted the spark which is resulting in a moral uprising and will end only when the whole sorry mess of twisted, warped thinkers are swept from the national scene so that we may have a new birth of honesty and decency in government.
Mcc
Has not the time come for the government of the US to be purged of the traitors who support China?
S.

While on the subject of purges could not Santo Domingo not be purged of Fascists who have their Berchtesgaden in the Colonial Zone? Maybe he was fortunate enough to make a pilgimage to the Berghof before it was obliterated. But there is always the Hofbrauhaus....
In München steht ein Hofbräuhaus, eins, zwei, g'suffa!
S.

The States matter are not always well anderstood by commun people. As this summit conference is being organized by U. S. Only them know what is the real porsose of it . It doesn`t look like they procure punishe the dominican president due to his encounter with Fidel Castro. It is well known that several central american presidents had mitted Mr. Castro lately and they had not object them.

I always wonder why Cuba such a small island has such a long embargo while China and North Korea don't. Any idea?
I mean, US send to China most of its manufacturing industry, import from China most goods, and have the Chinese run some of their most important ports.
Chinese government as we know eliminate their political inmates.

poponlaburra
My salutations and best wishes for such a brave and aware member of the female species.
I wish there were more Dominican women in positions of power, with your clear perception.
I always said that women make better rulers than men because as creators of life they are more sensitive, less corruptible and much more impartial arbitrators than men.
Women like you do not fall for the "pretenders" and "troll wanna be's" siren chants, these terrorists
bastards, even though some claim to be Dominican, are all Haitian fifth columnists.
They tried to bring out the worse insults from us to then cut and paste and use them as ammunition in other forums and even the foreign press, as in the past.
Their claimed superficial knowledge is just a front, they are pretenders to have "higher education" where they are just experts at "wikipedia" cut and paste.
They all have the same song and dance and accuse us of the lowest and most demeaning occupations, just to try to

ridicule us and our way of life.
To your question about foreign policy the present US policy towards Cuba is a product of any years of strong Cuban diaspora republican lobbying mainly from the state of Florida. Together with old agreements with the USSR, and outdated opinions from foreign policy "experts" at state.
Tha Castro family dynasty has succeeded in always thumbing their noses at the US for other reasons as well. They come from secret agreements with Russia and Cuba going back as far as the 1960's
cold war and missile crisis.
The embargo is useless and has not worked to bring democracy to Cuba.
More mileage is extracted from the Castro family by the present "status quo" than if the embargo was lifted. But like many issues that linger from way back, when a new administration weighs the pro's and cons of lifting the embargo, they decide simply in dodging the issue since both sides are very proactive and militant, and any decision will produce untold censure and criticism.

GC,
I agree with you insofar as China’s motives and track record. As I have said before, I may not be a fan of Uncle Sam; but at least the U.S has a "tradition" of giving the "appearance" of respecting Human rights, Labour and Environmental Laws, Nation Building, etc.
China has one goal and goal only: The Economic, Political, Military and Cultural ascendency of China in the world.

As far the U.S is concerned, I would not say the U.S is "dead"; however, I find it highly unlikely they will stop or even reverse their spiral into irrelevance. The Cliché "Third World Country with Nukes" may be a bit much; but it is eerily descriptive. I would be interested to see how the U.S would get itself out of it current predicament and into a position of economic and cultural pre-eminence without a Manufacturing, Engineering & Design or Cultural base of which to speak of…

Generoso,

You stated:

"My salutations and best wishes for such a brave and aware member of the female species.
I wish there were more Dominican women in positions of power, with your clear perception.
I always said that women make better rulers than men because as creators of life they are more sensitive, less corruptible and much more impartial arbitrators than men."

I agree with your comments above on women. When 20th century history gets properly chronicled, it must include three specific women in the top ten leaders group: Golda Meir, Indira Ghandi and Margaret Thatcher. Benazir Bhutto could have joined that elite group as well, but corruption in her govt precluded that possibility. She, however, was both very intelligent and capable and could have achieved great things for her people and nation.

Golda Meir said:
"We will have peace with the Arabs when they decide that they love their children more than they hate us"
And many more great women like Evita Peron, Eleanor Roosevelt, Amelia Earhart, Madame Curie, and others.
There are also many unknown women, specially in Latin America with weak child support laws, that raise and feed their children when the irresponsible male has abandoned them.
I was told an eyewitness story of a female Haitian sugar cane cutter working in the fields in the heat of the day, having a childbirth in the sugar cane field and straightening up and picking up the child with her left hand and continue her work while breast feeding him. Believe it or not.
And they say the Russians are physically and mentally tougher. There is nothing like adversity to cure entire populations of their laziness and complacency.

Generoso,

"Golda Meir said:
"We will have peace with the Arabs when they decide that they love their children more than they hate us"......I was told an eyewitness story of a female Haitian sugar cane cutter working in the fields in the heat of the day, having a childbirth in the sugar cane field and straightening up and picking up the child with her left hand and continue her work while breast feeding him."

Thank you for not forgetting the little people who perform giant feats and, therefore, are worthy of mention when considering great accomplishments. Human nature is such that we have a tendency to remember only well-established and seemingly important names.

Again, thanks for reminding us.

Thank you Generoso and Glomarexplorer, I am learning so much from you.

GC
You have much to share as well GC but only when you want to. Where is my Cuban thread?

GC
I know you don't mean harm GC, it is all "for entertainment purposes only" LOL.
Thanks for calling me Don, I will add that to my C.V. with all the other "nice" names that I have ben baptized in DT.
Even though everybody now calls me that in person, and anyone over 40 years old. LOL.

"As far the U.S is concerned, I would not say the U.S is "dead"; however, I find it highly unlikely they will stop or even reverse their spiral into irrelevance.
The only way the US can "reverse this spiral" is that we Americans pull our heads out of our ass.
The only way that can happen is that everyone needs to graduate from the school of "hard knocks" We have had it way too easy for way too long. Our goal was to give our kids a better life then we had, and by doing so we brought up bunch of whining complaining spoiled brats.

A lack of discipline and no family values.

I admire the Domincan's as families stick together and help one another without conditions.

Thank MTV and Sony, Nintendo and the fast food industry for the demise of the American culture.
And the parents who allowed the above mentioned to raise their children.

So this might be part of the answer:
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kids should ride bicycles or travel by shool bus. Or if the journey to to school is long and arduous join a donkey train as they do in Albania and Mongolia. US needs petrol rationing to correct balance of trade and its brats need the discipline of riding a bycycle.
@
From previous posting.
Actually it is the philosophy of waste that has caused problems for USA. Corporations waste, individuals waste, the educational system wastes. The only way they can do this is to enslave other counries; vast cattle ranches in Brazil for McDonalds, huge factories in China to produce toyes that end up in landfill in weeks. Cars consume extraordinary amounts of gas, huge mansions are maintained at 70f in the depth of winter with little insulation. This waste trashes our planet and other countries are coming round to saying 'enough is enough'.
S.

This is just political ping pong.

Xmas is coming . politcially correct:
On the 12th day of the Eurocentrically imposed midwinter festival, my Significant Other in a consenting adult, monogamous relationship gave to me:

TWELVE males reclaiming their inner warrior through ritual drumming,

ELEVEN pipers piping (plus the 18-member pit orchestra made up of members in good standing of the Musicians Equity Union as called for in their union contract even though they will not be asked to play a note),

TEN melanin deprived testosterone-poisoned scions of the patriarchal ruling class system leaping,

NINE persons engaged in rhythmic self-expression,

EIGHT economically disadvantaged female persons stealing milk-products from enslaved Bovine-Americans,

SEVEN endangered swans swimming on federally protected wetlands,

SIX enslaved Fowl-Americans producing stolen non-human animal products,

FIVE golden symbols of culturally sanctioned enforced domestic incarceration,

(NOTE: after members of the Animal Liberation Front threatened to throw red paint at my computer, the calling birds, French hens and partridge have been reintroduced to their native habitat. To avoid further Animal-American enslavement, the remaining gift package has been revised.)

FOUR hours of recorded whale songs

THREE deconstructionist poets

TWO Sierra Club calendars printed on recycled processed tree carcasses and...

after graduating from clown school in UK he came to LT and work in the beer drinking business

I dispense good beer and save the planet!
S.

Jander, 30 Mar 2009 12:51 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Our goal was to give our kids a better life then we had, and by doing so we brought up bunch of whining complaining spoiled brats.

A lack of discipline and no family values.

I admire the Domincan's as families stick together and help one another without conditions.

.........
bro have you ever been to dominican republic lately... family in this country dont even have fathers half the time. family values doesnt exisit in dominican republic
and in the USA we are still the leading economic power in the world. In

Written by: jacirez, 27 Mar 2009 1:51 PM
From: Lebanon, Al-Qubayyät
generoso,

At the dawn of 2009, it is not that bad being in the U.S s#$t list...
The U.S right now is nothing but a third world country with nukes...
................
third world country.... are you smoking crack man..... there is 24 light, you dirnk water out of your kicthen, you can flush your toilet paper, your house is not just concrete.... ect.... man you need to get out into the world or somthing

Written by: Dominime, 27 Mar 2009 2:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
It's a real shame, this is a major sign what the US thinks of the DR in terms of being a "credible politically run nation". Do you think this will be the last sign of a US shut out. I think not and things will get worse in the DR before they get better. How long will these people continue to run your country and it's reputation into the ground before the people say enough.

The truth is there is lots more dirty washing to be done before anyone in the DR is coming out with clean sheets.


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well until this country becomes one........ until this country starts doing something for the world other then consuming and taking.... this couintry recieves about the most help then any other country everyday i see us american troops here doing something like medical. truth is this country only serves it self and consumes ....

With the abstention of the Dominican President from this Costa Rica meeting
there will be one less country for Joe Biden to instruct/intimidate/blackmail in the
upcoming Summit of the Americas next april 17-19, in Trinidad & Tobago.
One reason more for Pres.Lionel Fernandez. to embrace the South –South trade philosophy
and try wrestling his Country away from the Empire. Que viva,
. Honduran President Jose Manuel Zelaya Rosales and Nicaraguas Daniel Ortega
both deciding to send envoy on more or less the same level(deputy minister and vice president and deputy foreign minsiter), as Joe Biden. The US backyard is awakening and so must the OAS
while the credit for this awakening.................................................goes to CHAVEZ

US is third world. Huge sections of the population existi on handouts and live in shacks. Routine medical care is non existent for many. Education standards in many schools leave students illiterate. 23 million adults in US are functionally illiterate. Hunger plagues the US.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1210-22.htm
Many US people come to DR and other countries to escape nightmare US.
S.

US is third world. Huge sections of the population existi on handouts and live in shacks. Routine medical care is non existent for many. Education standards in many schools leave students illiterate. 23 million adults in US are functionally illiterate. Hunger plagues the US.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1210-22.htm
Many US people come to DR and other countries to escape nightmare US.
S.

you are a complete idiot i never met a us citizin that didnt know how to read

For those of you that still believe that your empire is protecting us against ourselves
and for the benefit of the people living in these countries. I recomend you start here
and subsribe for free

http://www.killinghope.org/

http://www.costofwar.com/

Reneontiveros's "you are a complete idiot i never met a us citizin that didnt know how to read"

Have you been is a US trailer park? Or inner city Ghetto?

Gringo 1, dont assume you know where I live. Our country has been learning English for how long now? Again, where has it gotten us? Of course English is widely used but the Chinese will become more and more involved in all international business. As their products and more importantly their money starts reaching every corner of the globe. The opportunities are much greater for Westerners who can speak Chinese as it is a complex language to learn. "The Heritage Foundation" Is not a credible source as it is a right wing propoganda tool.

Jacirez, Is it wrong to sell arms to Zimbabwe? Probably. But Iam also sure that the story is not totally like the Western media has potrayed it, there are always two sides. Especially when the news is coming from former colonial occupiers. Foreign goverments cannot remove leaders in another country, the native people must do it. The US and Europe have done much more despicable acts in Africa for much longer than the Chinese.

On Sudan, yes the International court issued that warrant but the Arab League and many other countries dont recognize it. To say that the chinese actively support the killng of innocent civilians is wrong. They have the policy of not getting involved in the internal issues of other countries which I think is right. They were definitely wrong when it came to the Racist Apartheid in S.Africa but they were not alone. Also, this is a great chance to praise our Cuban brothers who shed blood in order to defeat racism in Africa.

Speaking with my African colleagues here in China they have not seen the Chinese investment as the nightmare the Western media has described. The people are what matter and China is helping to build Africa based on mutual respect and benefits.

As for Tibet yeah I agree they are really being pig headed and wrong in their policy there. However, when you learn about the history between Tibet and China they are very close. They should reconcile with the Dalai Lama and let him back in, he has stated many times he does not seek Independence. Human rights! Please! The lone super power is carrying out a murderous pointless war that has killed hundreds of thousands of truly innocent civilians. It is also carrying out an illegal blockade on Cuba for the last 50 years. Human rights?!! Not to mention supported countless dictators and sold them weapons to suppress the population just in Latin America alone! So lets not point the finger at one guy and forget history and current events here.

Poponlaburra: "On the Chinese, no one should trust the Chinese. They only do whatever is best for them" Yeah ok!? Everyone does whats best for them. Poponlaburra: "And forget about them buying American cars. They will never buy an American car. They do well for themselves not for the rest." Ha! GM in China is the only thing keeping that company alive! They love like Buicks here, terrible taste in my opinion

The point is the Chinese will never inflict the pillaging that Europe and the US have wrought. Why? Because they have felt this misery themselves, So when they sit at the table, they know how to talk not dictate. Are the they saints? No! But when you compare their history when it come to invading and occupying its far better than West. Human Rights, yes they have their problems. But at least they have kept it to abusing the rights of their own people not murdering, enslaving and destroying the lands of other people. Mirame soy como el Capitan Chino aqui, haha