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SANTO DOMINGO.- In Dominican Republic there are as many as one million people of Haitian ancestry, who despite being born here, are “functionally stateless,” since they aren’t registered nowhere, says the U.S. State Department 2008 Report on Human Rights.

It says the people without a cedula (ID card) have a limited access to the formal work sector, public and higher education, formal services such as banks and loans, access to the courts and the judicial processes, to own land or properties, and a birth or marriage certificate.

The report also cites the use of force by Dominican authorities against the undocumented people.

In the chapter titled “Stateless People,” the report affirms that the Dominicans of Haitian ancestry who don’t have citizenship or ID card face hurdles to travel locally and abroad.

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Written by: gouletcolonial2 This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 9:17 AM
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
ok now we are in for it ......where is the great genoroso we need his and lautaros input ASAP
Written by: gouletcolonial2 This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 9:18 AM
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
The brown stuff is in the fan and it will not be distributed evenly
Written by: gouletcolonial2 This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 9:22 AM
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
Rubi where are you ? man the defenses
Written by: Southern, 4 Mar 2009 9:25 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Stateless does not apply here. Haitian consitution says that Haitians kids born outside of Haiti from Haitians parents are Haitians. These people born in the Dominican Republic, and not considered Dominican according to the Dominican Supreme Court, they are declared Haitians by the Haitian constitution. These are the simple facts. People can use these facts to make propaganda to benefit their own interests, but the tru facts are the one presented above. Stateless is not the right term for all illegal Haitians in the Dominican Republic.
Written by: Lautaro, 4 Mar 2009 9:31 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
What's there to say GC? That this is another case of a jackass pointing fingers to the rabbit for its ears? If you don't understand my point then I'll tell you like it is, namely, that the US department's hypocrisy in this is tiresome and unnerving, specially when they plan to deport 30,000 haitians as we speak, and continue applying the "dry-foot, wet-foot" policy to cubans, when it's more than evident that Haiti is more of a gulag than Cuba will ever be (no matter what you say, I'll not change my opinion on this, cuz' I have been to both places, and believe me, Cuba is paradise on earth compared with our neighbours). And that, if the DR so much as deport 100 of the haitians that we have here, the US is the first one to cry foul. Can you spell "double standard" with me?
Written by: gouletcolonial2 This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 9:34 AM
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
I have to agree with you on this .....the Obama presidency is not going to be very understanding on this ...the Agenda of certain groups in US politics will have their way unfortunately
Written by: Lautaro, 4 Mar 2009 9:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
It's things like this that makes me agree occassionally with Nutty Hugo and Castro despite their belonging to "the dark side". It's really tactless from the US to be alienating countries on a difficult time like this, specially when the countries in question are steadfast allies of them, as our country have always been, as all the Latinobarómetro surveys can attest to the fact. There's really no other latino population as gringo loving as ours, so the fault is double when you look at things with that fact in sight.
Written by: generoso, 4 Mar 2009 9:54 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
"Here we go again", as President Reagan would say.
Whoever used the term "functionally stateless" is functionally illiterate and has not bothered to read both the Haitian constitution and the Dominican Republic's constitution.
Furthermore it is precisely the failed state of Haiti that claims that they do not have the economic means to issue documents to the thousands of illegals that Haiti has forced to immigrate to DR.
The statement by the US state department is a serious intromission in the internal affairs of both Haiti and the DR, and another
"big brother knows less" statement by the USA, who sadly is in economic intensive care and obvious political decline.
Enough said.
Written by: gouletcolonial2 This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 10:02 AM
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
The US always is damned if you do damned if you dont .....this is nonsense we are either propping up rightist dictators or cowtowing to the the wacko leftys ......democracy whoa is me
Written by: generoso, 4 Mar 2009 11:13 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Lautaro
The headline gives you an indication of what is to come and what we and a bunch of others have been warning for the past year or so.
The plan is evident and is fostered by pro-Haitian US groups now with a stronger influence and foothold in Washington politics.
President Fernandez was shunned and not even invited to Obama's inauguration and now he is posturing next to the Castro brothers.
Haiti is exporting thousands of undocumented poor to DR as we speak and the DR government has not shown the resolve to meet the illegal immigration head on, so the numbers of illegals are increasing exponentially and the DR has chosen to bury their head in the sand, like an ostrich.
Que Dios nos agarre confesados!
Written by: JRRubirosa, 4 Mar 2009 11:31 AM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
What about countries like Japan and europe that apply same principles like DR or the 30,000 Haitians in Florida that the evil empire wants to deport!!!


"Practice what you preach"
Written by: antonioj, 4 Mar 2009 11:57 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
Lautaro predicted that sort of propaganda once Maxime and clan are in position of power, the news is bias, considering the empire want to deport 30,000 Haitians whereas DR despite their financial difficulties have not deported anything close to that number, double standard I agree fully
Written by: pappabowie, 4 Mar 2009 12:05 PM
From: Afghanistan, BAF
Luckily for the Dominicans there is no "Anchor baby" clause in your constitution....Something My people need to look into rescending at home.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 12:18 PM
From: United States
I have been warning DR to get its house in order. Obama will not take crap when comes exlpoiting black people. DR is under the microscope of International Human Rights Organizations. DR will very likely experience the same type of embargo that South Africa was subjected to during aparheid.

It's still early for DR to do the right thing, or else. DR is part of the United Nations. DR is living in an interdependent world. Tourism is the "bread and butter" of DR. If DR does not conform, DR will regret it.
Written by: antonioj, 4 Mar 2009 12:18 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
Hey papaboowie do not drop science, take care of yourself ,watch out for IED
Written by: bernies, 4 Mar 2009 12:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Juan Dolio
Haitian_Liberator_No1.. i don't hear of any dominican in another country asking for their rights when they are ellegally living there. how come you are not criticising the usa for deporting 30k illegals haitians. no but we dominican have to take you in, our constitution is only one. no one borned in this country from a illegal imigrant has the right for dominican citinship. your parents has to be living here legally in order for you to qualify for dr citinship.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 4 Mar 2009 12:54 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Law is the law, comparing DR to South Africa is stupid and biased, When in mankind History any country has being prosecuted by exercising their constitution laws.

Haitians can demand rights in Haiti!!!!

Do you ask for a "Balcanization" state or are you asking for a timebomb to explode, Dominican
population despise and feel repulsive about the continuous Haitian and international demand
to break our laws to please everybody else and place the knives in our throats.

Tourism is our bread and butter but law is the law and must be followed and executed according to our constitution, We are a free country no a US colony!!
Written by: generoso, 4 Mar 2009 12:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Haitian_Liberator_No1 or many other previous handles.
Same old threats and biting the hand that feeds you from too many dirt cookie ingestions with magic mushrooms.
Instead of posing threats, just pack your bags and leave, you are not welcome in DR. Comprende?
At least the Jewish diaspora paid for the land from the Palestinians before declaring a country backed by the UN resolutions, Haitians just want to invade and take our land for free.
Wake up and smell the roses, your dream of invading the DR and staying for good will not
happen, unless you are willing to put up and fight like men instead of having others do your faceless international lobbying always throwing the stone and hiding the hand.
Dominicans have kicked you Haitians out 11 times, want to go for 12?
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 1:13 PM
From: United States
Deportation of 30,000 Haitians from the U.S. to Haiti is not going to happen. It's an old order under the Bush administration. Haitian-Americans are lobbying to get the order dismissed.
Written by: guillermone, 4 Mar 2009 1:13 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
"Stateless" is a term inapplicable to Haitians. The country and government of Haiti has not yet disappeared, it still exist, at least theoretically. The fact it is a "failed state" is a another issue and irrelevent as to whether they are a group of people without a nation. It has always been but recently reaffirmed, that Dominican nationality is not based on Jus Soli (right of soil) but by Jus sanguinis ("right of blood") by which nationality or citizenship is not determined by place of birth, but by having an ancestor who is a national or citizen of the state. Why the US state dept insists on making this an issue is a matter to question. There is nothing to discuss, it is strictly a constitutional matter and disrespectfull to our sovereignty as a republic. If the state dept is so concerned about the documentation for Haitians, "since they aren’t registered nowhere" it is simple, just provide the necessary funding and give them their papers. Then the problem will be history.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 1:20 PM
From: United States
It's not a matter of Haitians invading DR. We are discussing HUMAN RIGHTS. There is a Haitian-American in the White House right now. His name is Patrick Gaspard. He has been appointed by Pres. Obama as the White house political Director. Also, the Head of State of Canada is a native a Haiti. She visited Haiti about a month ago. Her name is Michaelle Jean. With Haitians in those high profile positions, DR will have no choice but to conform. Guys, I am having a civil conversation with you. There is no need to be nasty. My message to DR is: DO THE RIGTHT THING.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 1:23 PM
From: United States
Those folks are born in DR, therefore they are Domincans of Haitian origin. They should have full rights to everything in DR. PERIOD.

The international community will not accept any other twisted argument.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 4 Mar 2009 1:29 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Like violate Dominican constitution to make haitians happy??

what about asking Mr. Gaspard and Miss Michelle granting refugee status to Haitians??


Will They do that???

Doubt it the "Evil empire" will comply , They don't want Haitians in Florida or else so the easy solution is hidding a BS lie like "Human rights" this is just another despicable american aggresion against Dominican Republic.


Written by: JRRubirosa, 4 Mar 2009 1:32 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Haitian_Liberator"

What is the big infatuation or appeal that Haitians find in Dominican Republic soil??

Find what the corrupted, mediocre and good for nothing goverment of Haiti can't provide
to their citizens I guess.

It will take a revolution for Haitians to impose their will in DR, people will not accept it
or take C..P from Haitians living in the country.


"Dios, patria y libertad"
Written by: Lautaro, 4 Mar 2009 1:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Liberator said:" Those folks are born in DR, therefore they are Domincans of Haitian origin. They should have full rights to everything in DR. PERIOD. The international community will not accept any other twisted argument."

Another rant by the mouse that roared. What will happen if we don't comply, Smitty? You might not be aware of this living large in the US and all that, but over here, the populace is getting tired of receiving the social rejects of your country. So if you don't want things to get bloody, you better get your politicos' arses moving and build something with the appearance of a country fast on your part of the island, cuz' the dominican populace is getting tired of your victim game, and I assure you, you really don't want to see how the mobs react when they're angry.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 4 Mar 2009 1:33 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Lautaro:


EXCELLENT!!!!
Written by: generoso, 4 Mar 2009 1:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Haitian_Liberator my @ss
Always name dropping and living in a fantasy world, that is the usual m.o. (modus operandi) of
the failed state Haitians.
I do not give a rat @ss about Patrick Gaspard or Michelle Jean thoughts about the matter, ask them to let you live in Canada and/or Louisiana.
They can't help you, the US can't help you, Canada can't help you, the ghost of Henri Christophe and Toussaint can't help you, voo doo can't help you.
Truth is you can only help yourselves, stop the begging and act like men not cucarachas!

Written by: Gizmo This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 1:43 PM
From: United States
Haitian_Liberator_no.1 They will never be Dominican!!!!! Dominicans wake up is time to send these natural born destroyers back to HADES..... If i was the president no Haitians will be allowed to step on Dominican soil.
Written by: Lautaro, 4 Mar 2009 1:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Rubi: "Lautaro: EXCELLENT!!!!"

Believe me when I tell you that I'm as surprised as you are with our shaking hands, Ruby. I think that, no matter how tolerant one might be with people in need, sometimes there comes the moment to say: "enough is enough". If the haitian gov. refuses to man up and build something akin to a country on their 1/3 of island, then we dominicans have the duty to refuse to be dragged down by their refusal to face up to their problems. It's as simple as that.
Written by: gouletcolonial2 This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 1:50 PM
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
when it hits the fan it is not evenly distributed!
Written by: MRMRBAEZ, 4 Mar 2009 1:55 PM
From: United States, Tampa Bay, USA
They were born in Dominican Republic. Therefore THEY ARE DOMINICANS !!!. Anything else is just plainly WRONG. Can you imagine the outcry if The United States do the same to our children born in USA ?. DOMINICAN REPUBLIC HAS A SERIOUS PROBLEM AT HANDS. I just wonder what is The Cardenal takes on this one. I just wonder what the christians of every denominations think about this issue. I am just wondering.......
mrbaez@hotmail.com
Written by: Gizmo This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 1:55 PM
From: United States
Im amazed at the sheer numbers of haitians in D.R. this cancer has to stop, it's crazy not to care this is serious. This should be priority number one dealing with this problem that's being unabated as we post.
Written by: Lautaro, 4 Mar 2009 2:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
MRMRBAEZ: "They were born in Dominican Republic. Therefore THEY ARE DOMINICANS !!!. Anything else is just plainly WRONG. Can you imagine the outcry if The United States do the same to our children born in USA ?. DOMINICAN REPUBLIC HAS A SERIOUS PROBLEM AT HANDS. I just wonder what is The Cardenal takes on this one. I just wonder what the christians of every denominations think about this issue. I am just wondering.......
mrbaez@hotmail.com"

I just don't see your point, Baez, specially when the Bahamas and the other islands of the region ARE DOING THE SAME THING with their respective haitian descended populations (the case being graver on Bahamas, where it's estimated that a 40% of its population is of haitian origins). So I don't see the why of all the fuss about this, specially when the DR doesn't have the monetary backing of european powers (UK, France, the Netherlands) to face its financial and social problems. So, as the people would say "ve a otro perro con ese hueso".
Written by: generoso, 4 Mar 2009 2:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Gizmo
Cancer at least you can threat with radiation therapy and radical surgery,
the Haitians in DR are like the ancient locust plagues that invaded Egypt!
Written by: Gizmo This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 2:11 PM
From: United States
You are correct Generoso, you are correct indeed.
Written by: generoso, 4 Mar 2009 2:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Just what we needed to perk things up a good Haitian subject!
I wonder how long they will let it go on without shutting it out.
My guess is 300 postings, going once.........
Written by: ZonaDominicana, 4 Mar 2009 2:15 PM
From: United States, Orange County, California
I wounder how the U.S. State Department made the count because I new they were about 1 million Haitians in the DR, but I don't think they are all living the same situation. Of course with most of them been illegal in the country they will have the same right. The same in the US where illegal immigrants and their decedents cannot even have health care, jobs, or any other type of help because they are illegal.
Written by: jacirez This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 2:16 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
According to U.S immigration laws, you're a U.S. citizen if you are born in the U.S regardless of the state of your parents at the time of your birth...
The Immigration laws of the D.R much different. They introduce certain modificatrions that render most Dominican-Born ethnically Hatians as illegal aliens...
What would happen if the U.S treated U.S-Born Dominicans the same way....?
Written by: Lautaro, 4 Mar 2009 2:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
a few questions, jacirez: Does the US have a 20% of its population belonging to one foreign group? Is this foreign group the poorest country in the western hemisphere? Does the DR have the resources or the backing of a powerful commonwealth to tackle its social issues? I await your answers.
Written by: Gizmo This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 2:31 PM
From: United States
Jacirez how can you make such comparison, the Dominican Rep. can't handle the numbers of illegals coming from Haiti. And the question is WHY? should we! the D.R. is a small country so is Haiti. Another of the many variables you got to take in acccount is economic issues, environmental issues, employment issues, social issues, historical issues very important, health issues. And so on, we already know what Haiti is, it's a mess dominicans don't want that virus to spread to our side keep you're people in your side. That's why we separated ourselves from Haiti, to never be part of you're petty society that has not changed much since it became independent.
Written by: jacirez This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 2:32 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Lautaro,

The circumstances are irrelevant for the purpose of my question. I am simply asking: Should the United State mirror Dominican Republic Immigration Laws? Why? or Why Not?
Written by: USADR, 4 Mar 2009 2:40 PM
From: United States
Written by: jacirez, 4 Mar 2009 2:16 PM
What would happen if the U.S treated U.S-Born Dominicans the same way....?


USADR responds:
Not much. Dominicans makeup a miniscule percentage of the illegal Latino population. Those born to illegal Dominicans would get deported.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 2:42 PM
From: United States
DR is living in the dark age. DR is under the microscope. DR's survival depends on how it treats the Haitians born in DR and the Haitian immigrant workers.

There has been idscussion that the U.S. and the international community may soon start to work on a plan to provide financial assistance to the Domincan government so there can be a general/blanket amnesty to all Haitians living in DR. And all the Dominicans of Haitian descent should enjoy full citizenship right in DR including becoming president.

Just treat the Haitians as you would like to be treated or as you would like Dominicans living oversea to be treated.
Written by: Lautaro, 4 Mar 2009 2:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Smitty said: "There has been idscussion that the U.S. and the international community are working a plan to provide financial assistance to the Domincan government so there can be a general/blanket amnesty to all Haitians living in DR. And the all Dominicans of Haitian descent should enjoy full citizenship right in DR including becoming president."

And I am the King of bleeding France, right?
Written by: guillermone, 4 Mar 2009 2:46 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
MRMRBAEZ-The reason why the US gov't provides citizenship to children of illegals, is because the US constitution allows for it, otherwise it would not happen. However, both Haitian and Dominican constitution specifically state that the nationality of a person is strictly based on "right of blood" in other words citizenship on the parents place of birth, as I previously mentioned, it is legally defined or known as Jus sanguinis. However, it is ironic to see the incongruence of US immigration law. The US gov't provides legal citizenship to the children of illegals, yet at the same time deports the parents of those very same kids. Something the Dominican government consistently fails to effectively exercise. Now the only way to legally grant DR nationality is to change the constitution. But to automatically consent citizenship to Haitians only because of birth is something of total disregard to the Dominican constitution. What's the point to have one if you are not going to follow it.
Written by: guillermone, 4 Mar 2009 3:18 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
MRBAEZ-"just wonder what is The Cardenal takes on this one. I just wonder what the christians of every denominations think about this issue."

Do not mix politics with religion-"A Cesar lo que es de Cesar y a Dios lo que es de Dios."
This is not a religious matter, it is a political one. Let's leave spiritual issues behind close church doors. When ever the church gets involved the end results are worse and the problem is prolonged further, probably for even centuries. Remember the US has strict constitutional policies about the separation of "church and state". I do not agree with it, but I respect the rules that are firmly and clearly established in the constitution of any country. If we do not follow rules and laws, then we would have total anarchy and in the end is a complete disaster for everyone. You see Mr Baez we can not just only follow rules when it is convenient for us. We must do it for the greater good of all, even it it mean making a compromise against our wishes.
Written by: Lautaro, 4 Mar 2009 4:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
You know guillermone, it's mightily rich on the part of the US State department to be pointing fingers at us, when the very real problem of the exclusion that the people of the haitian diaspora suffer on Haiti remains unattended, and it's a grave one at that, because we're talking of the fact that the haitian political class, be it for fear or jelousy or both, have included a clause on their constitution that prevents people having double nationality (read, the people in the diaspora) from taking part in haitian politics. Not a small thing, considering that the majority of that country's educated population finds itself on this very group. In other words, the haitian politicos are preventing the educated population of that country from making their part in the resolution of that country's problems. This is just another instance proving dreadlocks assertion that human stupidity is truly boundless.
Written by: Aissedei, 4 Mar 2009 5:25 PM
From: Puerto Rico, On a rock.. PR
I hate to say this, but I’ve been trying to look up DR laws for citizenship and everything I’ve found shows that being born in the DR automatically confers citizenship. So if the government is systematically denying citizenship to one class of people based on their ethnicity then they are breaking their own laws and need to correct the issue. The people are technically stateless due to their lack of any type of documentation concerning their citizenship and inability to obtain it. Unfortunately the Haitian government isn’t helping matters if they aren’t able to provide them documents either. If the DR does not want to grant citizenship based on Jus Soli (Birth within the country) they need to change the laws so that they can't be accused of racist practices. If this has already been done can someone send me a link with the new law info? Many countries are very stringent on their citizenship guidelines, check Saudi or even Bahamas: www.multiplecitizenship.com/worldsummary.html
Written by: , 4 Mar 2009 5:54 PM
From:
aissedei
one of the parent need to be dominican. most of these pregnant haitian women go to dr to give birth. it is free and they get first class treatment compare to haiti. i hipe that answer your question
Written by: antonioj, 4 Mar 2009 6:27 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
Up to 1 million Dominicans of Haitian ANCESTRY are “stateless,” Washington says

Written by: antonioj, 4 Mar 2009 6:34 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
Can someone clarify ancestry, this is what I found obviously these folks have been there for awhile, how do you deport 1 million people, it's about time to shut up or walk the walk. The DR should take the lead in coordination with the Haitian governnment and the international communities to re-settle these folks and offer amnesty to some.


http://www.answers.com/topic/ancestry
Written by: JRRubirosa, 4 Mar 2009 6:42 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Offer amnesty to place the knife in our throats?? that will be like opening a pandora box and
regret eventually the results.

Haitian goverment and its business class must be proactive and do their job since as long
as Dominican Republic keep doing what is being doing so far We will have the monkey in
our back when international community and haitians start blackmailing us to gain an edge
on their agenda.

They way that things are going if the Haitain goverment don't execute a plan to control
population it will get worst than China and India due to limited natural and commodities
resources.

"Plain and simple"
Written by: JRRubirosa, 4 Mar 2009 6:48 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
How come the US, Canada and France don't execute a refugee program to let Haitians migrate
and live in those countries, reason being is because They rather play the arbitrator in human
rights BS and point the finger to Dominican Republic.

Is like "double standard" pressure the Dominican goverment with lies and unfounded, baseless
arguments and let's see what happens, time is getting closer and already happened in 2008
and recently in Punta Cana where regular Dominican population clash with Haitians that abuse
their stay in our country when they try to look for trouble.

Pushing this issue will make things worse once again since most of the Dominican population
are feed up with the tiresome Haitian propaganda against our country, God forbidden the revolu
tion that might arise anytime soon.
Written by: generoso, 4 Mar 2009 6:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
The Dominican Republic constitution allows for jus sanguinis and jus solis both under certain conditions. The Haitian constitution only allows jus sanguinis.
The illegal traffic of pregnant Haitian women is done for two purposes:
One to have the Dominican state pay for the childbirth, and two, invade us with more undocumented
illegal immigrants that claim Dominican citizenship.
BTW Haitian laws only allow up to one year after birth to get the birth certificate for the newborn.
The Haitians are not "stateless" is the wrong definition, they are "undocumented" which is not the same as "stateless", Haiti is a failed state but it is a state.
The US state department is trying to establish a supranational norm that the Jesuits have been proposing all along. The Jesuits even proposed the documentation and granting of Dominican citizenship to illegal and undocumented Haitians at the recent community leaders meeting or "live forces", where it was summarily booed and rejected.
Written by: Bonahan48, 4 Mar 2009 7:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic
For those of you that think Obama will force Dominicans to accept Haitian illegal migration, keeping smoking your grass...WE DON'T CARE...OBAMA CAN BEG ON FOUR... AIN'T HAPPENING.
Written by: jacirez This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 7:04 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
Jus sanguinis (Latin for "right of blood") is a social policy by which nationality or citizenship is not determined by place of birth, but by having an ancestor who is a national or citizen of the state. It contrasts with jus soli (Latin for "right of soil").

This concept is as ridicuous as the concept of "Race"...
You guys miss the point. I am looking for the moral justification. Would it be moral for the U.S to treat Dominican illegals the same way D.R treats Haitians. Why? or Why not? What is the moral argument...?
Written by: generoso, 4 Mar 2009 7:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Con't
Technically the Haitian women that came to DR to give birth are "in transit" according to the present constitution and do not have the right of citizenship.
Furthermore they are illegal as well, so even if they did have a proper Dominican visa they would still not be entitled to Dominican citizenship.
Only children of diplomats and Dominicans residing abroad have the right to claim Dominican citizenship, if certain procedures are followed.
Written by: antonioj, 4 Mar 2009 7:12 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"Written by: JRRubirosa, 4 Mar 2009 6:42 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Offer amnesty to place the knife in our throats?? that will be like opening a pandora box and
regret eventually the results
"
Ruby I agree there is a double standard, please do read my posting "international communities"
"amnesty to some" do not be a fool the Haitians are needed in DR, you can not deport a million people where is your common sense por Dios
Written by: generoso, 4 Mar 2009 7:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
jacirez
It is not the point and let us not start rationalizing a subject that is crystal clear.
Let us not get philosophical with "moral" arguments. The US has 300 million citizens and not
even 5% illegal aliens. We have 20% of our population invaded by illegal Haitians, you can not compare. The US is a rich country with a low unemployment rate, we are a poor country with a high unemployment rate.
Let's take this example of survival in the deep oceans:
We are in a lifeboat packed to the limit by survivors and with enough food and water to maybe, just maybe to get to shore if all goes well and no unpredictable storms occur.
We bump in to many Haitians floating with life jackets in the water wanting to get in on board the boat, if we allow the Haitians aboard the whole boat will sink and all food and water will be lost. What do you do?
Welcome the Haitians to come aboard and allow the boat to capsize?
Or try to make it to shore and then send help to get the Haitians?
Written by: JRRubirosa, 4 Mar 2009 7:22 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Jacirez:

To give you and example if You reside in Japan and have 12 children, They will be in a limbo
since Japanese authorities will not recognize any birthrights for anybody borned over there
without any "Jus sanguinis" criteria.

Haven't seem the united nations, US or any other country condemning this country for applying
their law, Why Haitians don't do things by the book and once They get their children go to their
embassy in Dominican Republic instead of waiting to be the victims.

Written by: antonioj, 4 Mar 2009 7:29 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"They way that things are going if the Haitain goverment don't execute a plan to control
population it will get worst than China and India due to limited natural and commodities
resources.

"Plain and simple"
"
Good point Rubi

Generos here is a question for you, how far back are you going to sort these folks 1st, 2nd, 3rd , 4th generation born.

By the way your analogy "survival in the deep oceans" I do not agree sound very simplistic for such a complex problem that DR did not create.
Written by: generoso, 4 Mar 2009 7:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
antonioj
The problem in the DR has been the most recent Haitian influx of the past 20 years or so.
The "sorting" out will have to be done by census and consensus or maybe even a plesbicite.
I would say 1st generation.
Written by: antonioj, 4 Mar 2009 7:41 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"Written by: generoso, 4 Mar 2009 7:36 PM
From: United States
antonioj
The problem in the DR has been the most recent Haitian influx of the past 20 years or so.
The "sorting" out will have to be done by census and consensus or maybe even a plesbicite.
I would say 1st generation
"
I agree general,
Written by: antonioj, 4 Mar 2009 7:58 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
http://www.workers.org/2009/world/haitians_0312/
Written by: etiennc, 4 Mar 2009 8:31 PM
From: United States
Oh My God !!!!!
Written by: guillermone, 4 Mar 2009 8:34 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
GEN-As always you are right on target. Your analogy though described in a simplistic manner, is just sufficient enough for anyone to immediately begin to understand the complexities of the Haitian-Dominican conflict. I also hope that Aissedei read your detailed explanation as for the reasons Haitians are denied Dominican citizenship.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 4 Mar 2009 8:42 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Antonioj:

thanks a lot!!!!

The evil empire is a double standard nation!!!
Written by: guillermone, 4 Mar 2009 9:24 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
You said Aissedei -"The people are technically stateless due to their lack of any type of documentation concerning their citizenship and inability to obtain it."

The US state dept has made a false and twisted application of what is "Stateless." A person is not stateless because they lack documentation due to an inability to obtain it, whether technically or otherwise, that is wrong. A person is stateless because his country has disappered or no longer exists. Only and under these conditions can a person be categorized as "stateless." Any other definition is a misapplication of the meaning and if done, it is only for the purpose of perpetuating a hidden agenda. When countries disappear usually due to consequences of war, refugees upon return find their homelands divided-up into 2 or 3 countries with different constitutions. When nascent gov't refuses to grant citizenship, in this case people become stateless and can therefore apply for a "laissez-passers" travel document with the UN
Written by: etiennc, 4 Mar 2009 9:31 PM
From: United States
Oh my God, they are back !
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Written by: Trinitario809, 4 Mar 2009 9:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
To the Haitian Citizens pushing to apply foreign laws into our sovereign country: Enough already! Stop! Do you really think we're stupid? What do you think is going to happen if we yield to your "plights" I'm not even going to say it,'cause I know everybody here is smart enough to acknowledge the dire consequences of such action.Look,you Haitians throw the word "pride" around a lot and yet,when push comes to shove,no one stays around to face the ugly truth and rather try to block the sun with your thumbs.You have failed your beloved Ayiti,the Ayiti you claim you love so much and yet you've turned your back on her.You've been celebrating your independence for too long now,while the world has moved on! Time to stop the party and pick up the mess,show the world and yourselves that your forefathers did not die in vain.
Written by: Bonahan48, 4 Mar 2009 9:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Trinitario, well-said. I couldn't say it better...You are totally right.
Written by: Trinitario809, 4 Mar 2009 9:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
What do you people think Tussaint L'ouverture would have done had he foreseen Haiti's future?
He would have stayed put,picking up cotton, whistling past the graveyard. I don't mean to insult,but the Haitian citizens need to wake up,face their situation head on and honor those that bled suffered and sacrificed to give them freedom.
Written by: etiennc, 4 Mar 2009 9:58 PM
From: United States
lo que dicen los demas
El Listin diario
los dominicans se asientan en el vecino Haiti
entre 16, 000 y 20,000inmigrantes de Republica Dominicana han decido instalarse en pueto Principe y en ptras ciudades.
El racio Caribe , la principal emirosa de Puerto Principe esta dominicana ha hecho lo que la diplomatica no ha podido en dos siglos de historia....

Read el listin diario
Written by: JRRubirosa, 4 Mar 2009 9:58 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Trinitario809:


"Dios, patria y libertad"

Long live our forefathers "Duarte, Sanchez y Mella"
Written by: old_school_trinitario, 4 Mar 2009 10:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
these people are not stateless

their state is right there within driving distance.

they can even walk if need to.

Written by: letroudeballeGeneroso This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 10:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Now they are counting the illegal Haitians as Dominican! No one knows more about DR than DR itself for Washington to tell the world the national distribution in DR!
Article 11 of the Haitian Constitution clearly states that the children of any Haitian are HAITIAN regardless where they are born.
Article 15 of the Haitian Constitution says that Haiti does accept dual citizenship. Therefore, DR can not nationalize the children of Haitian born in DR since they automatically have the Haitian nationality!
WASHINGTON STAY OFF! OBAMA IS GOING TO AFRICANIZE DR!
Written by: letroudeballeGeneroso This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 10:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic
More illegal immigration will come to DR as a result of this. The U.S. is imposing its laws of nationalizing anything born in the U.S. to DR. It is clear that the Obama administration wants to Haitianize the island and destroy the DR itself. As they publish this, the U.S. is kicking their own illegal out!
The two million Haitian in DR came illegaly after 1978 and the bulk after 1986 when Duvalier left Haiti! Now the U.S. wants DR to legalize them? FK!
Fight OBAMA! Fight the Democrats!
Written by: letroudeballeGeneroso This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 10:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
If Leonel doesn't stand to the KONG OBAMA, we'll kick Leonel, Obama and the U.S. embassy out!
Written by: JRRubirosa, 4 Mar 2009 10:40 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Well said buddy, either We defend our country or otherwise will get screwed my the "Evil empire"
Written by: generoso, 4 Mar 2009 10:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Guys you just keep the powder dry, the worse is yet to come.
You ain't seen nothing yet!
Written by: Perception, 4 Mar 2009 11:37 PM
From: United States

oooo


Hispaniola,



Prende !!!
Written by: DominicanChic, 4 Mar 2009 11:40 PM
From: United States, New York
'Lovin the discussions on the matter, but guys and gals, PLEASE direct your comments and concerns directly to the State Department. They need to know their Dominican and Dominican-American constituents are not having this nonsense. Our organization already mailed a letter regarding a similar matter which we also posted on our website. Here's the link for those that are interested (it was before this report came out though).

http://www.dominicansforthetruth.org
Written by: letroudeballeGeneroso This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 11:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic
2008 Human Rights Report: Dominican Republic
Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2008/wha/119157.htm
2008 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices

February 25, 2009

The Dominican Republic is a representative constitutional democracy with a population of approximately 9.5 million, including hundreds of thousands of undocumented Haitians.

Haitian consulates reported that they were legally authorized to register only those births that were declared within a year. Parents declaring a birth were required to submit valid forms of identification in order to file a claim. These requirements could not be met by a significant number of persons of Haitian descent in the country, and thus their children remained undocumented. Consequently, thousands of Dominican-born persons of Haitian descent were functionally stateless; one estimate placed the number at between 600,000 and one million persons.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 4 Mar 2009 11:59 PM
From: United States
The U.S. has a plan in coordination with the Haitian-Americans. Stay tuned.
Leonel seems to know about it and that's why he seems to be taking small baby steps concerning Haitian immigrant workers. Even though it's a step in the right direction, it's not near the kind of reform necessary to address the plight of Haitians and people of Haitian descent in DR. Giant steps need to be taken. The pressure will be intensified on DR until the issue is satisfactorily resolved, and just like native of Haiti Michaelle Jean has become the Head of State of Canada today, a Haitian-Dominican can also head DR in the near future.
Written by: letroudeballeGeneroso This user is banned, 5 Mar 2009 12:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I already sent my e-mail to the U.S. State Department. Their "contact us" tab is posed as a question about traveling and citizenship. So I added my comment about their double morality and their intentions to destroy DR! I don't care if they don't like it!
Written by: letroudeballeGeneroso This user is banned, 5 Mar 2009 12:03 AM
From: Dominican Republic
What issue? You, Haiti, have your feets in our nose! The only issue here is GET OUT OF DR NOW!

The Dominican Diaspora must retaliate and slow down the U.S. response! DR must purge itself from the invaders and I will give Port of Pigs a big gift (one that they will never forget)!
Written by: letroudeballeGeneroso This user is banned, 5 Mar 2009 12:06 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Ignorant Haitian
"Michaelle Jean, Canada's First Black Governor General"
Written by: guillermone, 5 Mar 2009 12:42 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
etiennc, - YOU IS A CRAZY MON.....YEAH MON !!!

Oh my God, they are back !
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Written by: Trinitario809, 5 Mar 2009 7:43 AM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
HEY YOU!!!....the so-called "Haitian liberator"......You are patethic...as a matter of fact you put the word patethic to shame! WOW!!! Right now your forefathers are not turning but SPINNING in their graves! I can tell the big majority of Haitians think the same way as you do,you have no b@lls,you rather take the easy way out,but let it be known that the road you're taking is not an easy one but a dangerous one indeed.
Written by: Aissedei, 5 Mar 2009 9:46 AM
From: Puerto Rico, On a rock.. PR
guillermone - Now go back and look up "De Facto Statelessness" which pretty much applies when people of a nationality are denied their rights of residence or are unable to obtain it due to cost, circumstances beyond their control, etc. This in my opinion does apply to kids born in this situation. Now, as I mentioned I have no problem with expelling any and all illegal immigrants, every country has a right grant citizenship as the see fit. However as I also mentioned the only laws I could find state that a child born in the territory of the DR regardless of nationality of the parents is considered a citizen. Since this was older information I asked if anyone had a link to clarify if this had been modified or changed and I got nothing... Again, the DR can and should enforce any and all immigration laws that it has in existence but those laws need to be clear so as to avoid this type of criticism.
Written by: gouletcolonial2 This user is banned, 5 Mar 2009 9:49 AM
From: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard
ac/dc welcome to the food fight and how is everything in San Juan still armed and dangerous
Written by: vacanos, 5 Mar 2009 10:38 AM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
aissedei again if you missed it

one of the parent need to be dominican. most of these pregnant haitian women go to dr to give birth. it is free and they get first class treatment compare to haiti. i hope that answer your question
THERE IS NO WAY IN THAT SITUATION WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW ALL THE LITTLE HAITIAN TO BECOME DOMINICAN AS YOU KNOW THE HAITIAN ARE ONLY GOOD TO MAKE BABY AND WORK LIKE ANIMAL THEY WILL OVERUN US IN 20 YEAR AND THEN IT WILL BE ANOTHER KASHMIR IN THE CARIBEAN. WE LEARNED OUR LESSON IN 1844 IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN AMIGO.
Written by: vacanos, 5 Mar 2009 11:15 AM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
as of now if the haitian get stupid they could have a 20 time biggest revolt in size and everything than the one created by the africans in france. but they know we are not stupid like the frenchie. if that were to happen even the human right activist will get some macanaso.
Written by: vacanos, 5 Mar 2009 11:27 AM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
etiennc

are you looking for attention? do you feel abandon? let me be your shrink hit me up what is bothering you
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 5 Mar 2009 11:36 AM
From: United States
You don't have to be a genius to figure out the that DR is 100% wrong to deny citizenship to Dominican of Haitian descent. The biggest mistake that DR made was the denial of a birth certificate to the young baseball player Angel Luis Joseph . It was an international scandal. There was a big article in the New York Times and the international media. The question is does DR want to continue to live in the dark age, or Does DR want to acknowledge that this is the 21st century.

See video and link below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJXwSACJDKg&feature=related

http://www.dominicantravelblog.com/dominican-republic-blog.php/396
Written by: guillermone, 5 Mar 2009 11:39 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
Aissedei-I continue to insist that the reasons Haitians are undocumented is due to their lack of financial resources to get documented, a lack will to pursue it, an initial inability to perceive the need for to be documented, little concept of how to function within society as to how rules and protocols should be followed, total lack of knowledge and understanding of normal day-to-day civility that to others is second nature, frustrations dealing with government bureaucracies and generational ignorance perpetuated by a need for survival. The fact that in actuality it is a condition of "DeFacto Statelessness" is not really what the US state dept tried to imply, but rather a "statelessness" caused by a type of racist aparthied against the Haitian people. This is what I mean and argue when I say that the term "stateless" has been misapplied. Nevertheless, the law is clear children born of undocumented parents or "in transit" do not have right to Dominican citizenship. Plain & simple.
Written by: Lautaro, 5 Mar 2009 12:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
ettienc said: "I fear that each time DT publishes an article on Haiti, I will see the same actors,the same posts, the same fear,the same intolerance,the same mierda."

I know what you mean, ettienc, but notice that, from all the actors that have posted over this so far, none is so false, malicious, slandering and downright hypocrite than Smitty, which now runs by the name of Haitian_Liberator_No1. What's the matter Smitty? Are you afraid that our secret services will snuff you out as the foreign instigator and terrorist that you are?
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 5 Mar 2009 12:47 PM
From: United States
The story of young Haitian-Domincan baseball player Angel Luis Joseph is DR biggest shame. The whole world knows about it. How can a country be so backward in the 21st century?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJXwSACJDKg&feature=related
Written by: Lautaro, 5 Mar 2009 1:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Smitty said: "The story of young Haitian-Domincan baseball player Angel Luis Joseph is DR biggest shame. The whole world knows about it. How can a country be so backward in the 21st century?"

Now that you're bringing the dirty laundry of the DR into the fore, can you explain to us why the haitian country could be so backward in enslaving THEIR OWN CHILDREN? How can a country which prides itself of being the first one that eliminated slavery in America be so backward to indulge in that same practice, and in the 21st century, no less, Smitty? Can you explain to us the meaning of this:

http://www.quicksitemaker.com/members/immunenation/restavek.html

Can you spell "hypocrisy" and "double-standard" for me? cuz' those are the very words that enter into my mind every time that another of your posts come forth. So please, stop pointing fingers at other people's failings, that is, if you don't want that same people to bring forth your own skulls out of the closet, so to speak.

Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 5 Mar 2009 2:11 PM
From: United States

Dear Lautaro,

From the link that you posted"
Haiti's Forgotten Children "Thousands of children are living in slavery in Haiti - taken from their families in the rural villages or given up by desperately poor parents for the promise of a better life in cities like Port-au-Prince, Jacmel or Les Cayes. The promise is rarely kept. "

The poor parents willingly give those children to another family in hope of a better life for them. These children were not kidnapped or sold as slaves as you trying to suggest.

I was vacationing in DR a few years ago, and I was shocked when approached by an 11 years old Dominican girl, who offered to have sex with me in exchange for money. Then I told her "you should have been in school now", then a Dominican pimp man came in and said it's OK, I can get you girls and boys. just give me $20 and she'll do everything for you. I told the pimp: "Get lost, you should be in jail."

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-69932150.html
Written by: Lautaro, 5 Mar 2009 2:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Smitty said: "These children were not kidnapped or sold as slaves as you trying to suggest."

Do you have proofs to back your above statement? let me guess, it's so because you say so, the same cheap tactic that use to disentangle yourself from the fact that you're just another hypocrite that shouldn't be pointing fingers at others. You should have learned by now that those tactics won't change the low image that I (and many posters over here) have of you as a no good troll, so would it be too much to ask from you to drop the charade? The fact at the end of the day is not how those children came to be restaveks, but the fact that they live ins slavery, so no rationalizing made by you or others won't be able to change the reality of that fact, or the fact that you should concentrate in fighting that social flaw instead of gratituously slandering your neighbour, one that I might say is the only thing between the haitian people and utter extinction. (cont...)

Written by: Lautaro, 5 Mar 2009 2:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
(cont...) or will you have the guts to deny the fact that the US$350 million sent anually by the haitians on the DR to their homeland by concept of remittances is one of those lifelines without which Haiti would have sunk into the ocean a long time ago?

http://www.bancentral.gov.do/otra....as.asp?a=listindiario2008-01-28-1

Written by: Aissedei, 5 Mar 2009 2:38 PM
From: Puerto Rico, On a rock.. PR
vacanos - No I didn't miss it... I did however miss any type of link to an official site that can back up that informaiton. I am not disagreeing with you. However as I mentioned the sites I've found state that any birth in the DR apart from a child of diplomats is considered a citizen. Therefore I've asked for a documented site with the actual requirements so as not to go on word of mouth.

guillermone - I agree that the state department shouldn't get involved in DR's immigration issues. The U.S. has enough problems of their own that they get slammed for by the international community. I may not completely agree with you on the De Facto Statelessness, but you're right, it's basically the fault of the parents that came over and popped out their kids while in an illegal status. The unfortunate aspect is the kids are getting screwed and they're not to blame. Haiti appears unwilling or unable to do anything and DR gets a bad rep even though they're getting overran.
Written by: Aissedei, 5 Mar 2009 3:05 PM
From: Puerto Rico, On a rock.. PR
This Article in listindiario.com pretty much spells out why I mentioned that the DR may want to revise the actual written law to deny citizenship to children of illegal aliens rather than interpret "in transit" to include them. That would end the legallity question once and for all.
http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=5672
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 5 Mar 2009 3:21 PM
From: United States
You didn't say anything about human trafficking/child prostitution in DR. As if it's OK.

Arisitide was committed to eradicate RESTAVEK in Haiti. Aristide had laws in place to have the wealthy Haitians pay their taxes. These are some ofthe reasons why the Haitian elite plotted the coup against him.

As far as Haitians in DR sending money to Haiti, you better do your math right. Go find out how much money DR saves by paying Haitian workers not even a hundredth of what they should have gotten paid. DR owes the Haitians reparation and restitution for exploiting the Haitian workers and immigrants. This issue is being debated in the international community by the Human Rights organizations.


Stay tuned!
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 5 Mar 2009 3:25 PM
From: United States
If DR so believes in People in Transit, DR should have the balls to ask the international community to apply the same law vis-a-vis Dominicans overseas and people born in the diaspora of Dominican descent..
Written by: JRRubirosa, 5 Mar 2009 3:41 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Haitian_Liberator_no1:

Ask Canada and US to accept poverty, diseases and backwards behavior from you people
to see how they going to accept, are you playing stupid or you are dumb, recently US is
doing their best to deport 30,000 Haitians living in Florida, Racism or US don't like Haitians?

Send Haitians back to your country and let them complain to your lazy goverment to see
what happens, every country has its own and unique constitution, laws and freedom to
execute and practice their rules.

If People like you and haitians in general don't like the way that you are treated complain
to your embassy and fix your issues, that's also why international community don't respect
or feel respect for Haitians.

Whinning, complaining and victimizing portray you and your people as mediocre human
beings!!!
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 5 Mar 2009 3:48 PM
From: United States
For your info, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon and President Bill Clinton will visist Haiti on Monday, March 9 to promote international aid and economic security in Haiti and to pave the way for Aristide's return.

Stay tuned.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 5 Mar 2009 3:52 PM
From: United States

Guys,

Don't go around the issue. Answer me:

You didn't say anything about human trafficking/child prostitution in DR. Why has DR tolerated such an abomination? Why?
Written by: Lautaro, 5 Mar 2009 4:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Liberator asked: "You didn't say anything about human trafficking/child prostitution in DR. Why has DR tolerated such an abomination? Why?"

I didn't say anything because it's more than obvious that it's an evil and vile thing, but despite what you might say, in the DR at least some effort is being done to fight the evil, contrary to what happens on Haiti, where it seems that aside from some international organizations, nobody is lifting a finger to fight the restavek phenomenon, so you shouldn't be pointing fingers as if your country held a moral high ground about social issues, when every known survey and publication about these issues over the continent points out to the fact that you're severely lacking efforts on almost all the fronts.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 5 Mar 2009 4:10 PM
From: United States
DT, get ready to dispatch your journalists to cover President Bill Clinton and U.N General Secretary Ban Ki-Moon visit in Haiti on Monday, March 9. They will be in Haiti to assess the situation and to come up with a massive infusion of economic package of $2 billion for Haiti as well as paving the way for the return of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide "The Great, the Hero"
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 5 Mar 2009 4:26 PM
From: United States
I'll travel to Haiti also on March 9. See you there.
Written by: generoso, 5 Mar 2009 4:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
You guys are being manipulated by this Haitian Liberator dirtbag and are falling for it.
He uses techniques to change the subject and put you in the defensive mode trying to explain.
Do not fall for this cheap ruse from a low life and scum bag. Just the fact that he is an Aristide supporter speaks loudly about him.
These spin doctors always bring up child prostitution, discrimination, Dominican whores in Haiti,
Trujilo was gay, and other preposterous subjects like if they themselves were "the" example of moral life.
Anybody that preaches for the evil ex-communicated priest Aristide is the lowest form of human being on the planet.
And yes that means you, Haitian Liberator crap.
Written by: antonioj, 5 Mar 2009 5:33 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
Smitty re-incarned, some fool never learned, please burst the bubble
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 5 Mar 2009 10:37 PM
From: United States
antonioj and generoso, check the links below for proof:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/haiti/story/928042.html

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/20....4/news/CB-Haiti-Crisis-Report.php

Written by: JRRubirosa, 5 Mar 2009 10:39 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Generoso:

You forgot to mention about our beaitiful music merengue
That recently one supposed refugee in santiago has the
guts of going to a local radio station And to proclam that
Dominicans copy from them And merengue was instead
Haitian. At the end of the night He had a nice Dominican
fan club waiting for him outside the radio station to give
him some nice dominican patriotic love.

His name is jean paul something And he is a big trouble
maker with a victim ego.
Written by: haitian1804, 5 Mar 2009 11:03 PM
From: Haiti
I think the Dominican constitution should be revised by some intelligent people since Dominicans cannot write their own laws. Someone who's born on ur soil must be ur citizen,you can t ask them to have their ancestor country ID. What would they write for the place of birth. It s stupid...and DR keep proving to the world the lack of smart people they co
Written by: haitian1804, 5 Mar 2009 11:08 PM
From: Haiti
Written by: Southern, 4 Mar 2009 9:25 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Stateless does not apply here. Haitian consitution says that Haitians kids born outside of Haiti from Haitians parents are Haitians......I need the proof of this, It d be silly. seeing the hard time they r giing the candidate here for their Nationality. So I don t think this comment is true southern. if you born in the USA of haitians parents, the Haitian gvt recognize you as an American originated of Haiti not even Haitian-American, we don t accept double nationality.
Written by: haitian1804, 5 Mar 2009 11:10 PM
From: Haiti
JRRubirosa,i d like to repaint your house in red....
Written by: generoso, 5 Mar 2009 11:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
No Rubi don't hire him to paint your house even for free. This dirtbag is looking for an excuse to come to DR and get some work, so he can badmouth you later.
Stay in Haiti were you belong haitian1804, Aristide can keep sending you the $50 dollars a month
for your collaboration and to buy some more hungry supporters with the change.
Hell, with $300 US I can probably get 300 Haitians to vote for a dead man at $1 dollar each.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 5 Mar 2009 11:48 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
What about pink instead !!!!!
Written by: JRRubirosa, 5 Mar 2009 11:52 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Dominican constitution is fine what is wrong is Haitians looking for rights which
They are not entitled to, regarding haitian constitution is none of our business
And we should care less.
Written by: haitian1804, 5 Mar 2009 11:52 PM
From: Haiti
if your blood is pink, no problem, cause I intend to use it as paint so that s why I said i d like to repaint your house in red.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 12:20 AM
From: United States
Wait a minute. Dominicans seem to be surprised to learn that merengue is from Haiti or copied from Haitian rhythm. Come on guys, where have you been? in the moon? There is nothing new here. The whole world is aware that merengue is originally from Haiti. Please spare yourself some embarassment and accept the facts for what they are. Yes, merengue is from Haiti. PERIOD.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 12:26 AM
From: United States
If DR decides to keep its policy by continuing to regard Domincans of Haitians descent stateless, Washington can turn the table on DR and make Americans of Dominican descent stateless as well.

Sa ou mande pou belme-ou, byen souvan rive manman-ou.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 12:26 AM
From: United States


Wake up DR!
Written by: JRRubirosa, 6 Mar 2009 12:54 AM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Drugs could be harmful for illiterate And starving people full of inferiority And mediocre ideas.
Written by: belly51, 6 Mar 2009 2:10 AM
From: United States, Seattle, WA
Haitian_Liberator_No1,

I respect your opinion but a Haitian telling Dominicans to wake up come on man.Actually merengue was created by Francisco Antonio Lora Cabrera(ñico lora) born in Santiago,DR stop thinking that is from Haiti.It is not from Haitians rhythm is from African rhythms mix with fast 2/4 beat that comes from whats call today perico ripao.Before you start telling Dominicans to wake up make sure you are awake.Remenber at one point Haiti was in better shape than DR and what happened MR Always Awake.
Written by: poponlaburra, 6 Mar 2009 3:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
We need to keep our identity as a country.

DR goverment should not waste one minute in sending back the Haitians and the fucu they bring.
Lets follow US resolution in deporting 30K and use the same tactic but should be done every month. Like a house cleaning. Once a month you do a deep cleansing.
Whoever in Washington desagree with our policy, they are welcome to come and get the Haitians.
Written by: generoso, 6 Mar 2009 8:56 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Haitians=Fucu No questions about that, from now on we should all start addressing any Haitian responses as Haiti-Fucú.
They even make death threats as:
haitian1804
"if your blood is pink, no problem, cause I intend to use it as paint so that s why I said i d like to repaint your house in red".
This is the same derelict high on too many dirt cookies laced with dung mushrooms that affirmed that he was returning from voo doo sniping school.
Again they are trying to confuse and divert bringing up the merengue discussion and threatening us again with:
Haitian_Liberator_No1,
"If DR decides to keep its policy by continuing to regard Domincans of Haitians descent stateless, Washington can turn the table on DR and make Americans of Dominican descent stateless as well".

Always looking for somebody else to do their work, a godfather country, voo doo, Patrick Gaspard,
Michelle from Canada, but never taking responsibility for their own country.
A failed Haitian-Fucú nation in denial.
Written by: etiennc, 6 Mar 2009 9:05 AM
From: United States
Leonel Fernandez is in Cuba to visit Fidel Castro.It seems that the illegal Haitian migration is the least of his government 's concerns
Entonces en este foro ,nos comportamos como actores en la pellicula tragicomica llamada " La rina inutil " .
Espero que vamos a ganar un grammy por actores mas comicos
Dios bendiga nuestras almas atormentadas,caprichosas y intolerantes
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 11:28 AM
From: United States
Haiti has done so much for the world, Haitians should have had a universal passport to travel and live wherever they choose.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 11:32 AM
From: United States
Don't believe in this fairy tale that 30,000 Haitians will be deported from the U.S. This issue has already been resolved. The Haitian-American lobby group is too powerful and too close to the Obama administration. As a matter of fact, we are working on a general amnesty for all immigrants even the undocumented Dominicans living in the U.S. will benefit from the Haitian-Americans Lobby.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 11:40 AM
From: United States
Just be in Haiti on March 9. I'll be there with President Clinton and U.N. General Secretary Ban Ki-Moon to assess the situation of the first Black independent country in the world and rebuild Haiti from A to Z. Obama knows the contribution that Haiti has brought to this world. It's payback time, particularly with the first black American president and a Haitian native, Michaelle Jean, the Head of State of Canada, Haiti is well on its way to becoming again the PEARL OF THE ANTILLES and the most productive of all the Caribbean nations.

Haiti will be getting a grant that it does not have to repay. THANK GOD!
Written by: Gizmo This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 11:50 AM
From: United States
The Dominican Republic could allocate 5% of GDP annually and deport 100,000 haitians each year. Another wise investment is to build a wall in the border. Just like the U.S. is building south of it's border with Mexico. The Dominican goverment needs to put more pressure on France to invest in Haiti and perhaps to allow Haitians to become citizens of France or a French administered possession like perhaps French Guiana. That should solve our heavy burden from a country that's never brought anything good to us, but only brought misery and despair to Dominicans. Dios, Patria Y Libertad.....
Written by: generoso, 6 Mar 2009 11:54 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Same old scratched record, promises, promises, promises, dreams, dreams, dreams.
About a magical savior that will descend on Haiti and solve all their problems with a stroke of their magic wand. Haitians don't have to do nothing just extend their hands and receive.
Haiti liberator Fucu, corta tu caña y largate a tu pais! C.ño!
Written by: Gizmo This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 11:56 AM
From: United States
What the hell is the Haitian American Lobby? Instead of trying to find solutions in your own country, you want to dump you're trash on us, and all over except in you're own damned country.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 11:58 AM
From: United States
HISTORY OF MERENGUE (PART ONE) The independent nation of Haiti was established in 1804 and ruled the entire island to 1844. Merengue originated with slaves who were chained together and, of necessity, were forced to drag one leg as they cut sugar to the beat of the drums. The dance originated with the slaves of the French Colony.

The Haitians invented MERENGUE. Since the Haitians invented also COMPAS, the Haitians allow the Dominicans to promote the MERENGUE. Both MERENGUE and COMPAS do the same stepping side and dragging the other leg to close both are worth remembering as you learn the basic dance steps.

From the middle of the 18th century the Merengue developed as rural music in Haiti, then in the Dominican Republic. However, the Haitian méringue is sung in Creole and tends to have a slower, more nostalgic sound, based on guitar

Stay tuned for: HISTORY OF MERENGUE (PART TWO)
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 12:04 PM
From: United States
generosoe and Gizmo,

Haiti has done enough for the world, now it's payback time.
Written by: Gizmo This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 12:23 PM
From: United States
Brainless haitian, the inventor of Merengue was a Dominican by the name of Ñico Lora that originates in "El Cibao". The name Merengue has been used by many country's to describe the music of there particular own style and rhythim, although the instrumentation and styles are different "comprende". Other country's with Merengue as a music denomination are Venezuela and Colombia even Cuba had a style of music called Merengue or Upa. Keep on believing the B.S. they teach you in Haiti or things you get from the internet. Traditional Dominican Merengue instrumentation includes Acordeon, Tambora y Guira something that is not synonomous with Haitian Kompa. LOL.....
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 1:06 PM
From: United States

Gizmo,

I went so far back in history to tell you about the history of MERENGUE, but you have come up with nothing. Empty handed. Who do you think an intelligent person would believe? Me or you?
Written by: Gizmo This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 1:10 PM
From: United States
MERENGUE Venezolano not to be confused with Dominican Merengue http://prof.usb.ve/emendoza/emili....articulos/Merengue_venezolano.pdf
Written by: JRRubirosa, 6 Mar 2009 1:35 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Haitian_liberator_no1:

What haitians are well known worldwide for so many decades already other than....................

And now You come with this BS theory to look as foolish as caveman!!!!!

Dirt cookies and 18 century pride!!!!!!
Written by: vacanos, 6 Mar 2009 2:07 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
by haitian liberator "Haiti is well on its way to becoming again the PEARL OF THE ANTILLES and the most productive of all the Caribbean nations"



did you know that when haiti was the most prosperous country in the antillan 500,000 african slaves working for the 30,000 french for free at the time? are you dummy or what. at least get some back up in your brain
Written by: poponlaburra, 6 Mar 2009 2:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Generoso'
"Haitians=Fucu No questions about that, from now on we should all start addressing any Haitian responses as Haiti-Fucú" we'll do!!

Yes, "The Dominican Republic could allocate 5% of GDP annually and deport 100,000 Haitians each year” I would say 100,000 a month. Starting today, today, not tomorrow.
Starting today, today not tomorrow, starting today, today not tomorrow, starting today, today not tomorrow.
Written by: poponlaburra, 6 Mar 2009 2:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Why that is some countries/people are rich?
Why that is some countries/people are so poor?

Who are the rich or well to do countries/people?
Who are the poor countries/people?
The answer is IQ (intelligence, smarts, se la sabe buscar, zorro, Etc.)

After more than half a millennium, why is Haiti in such condition? Why they never learned or benefited from their master, the French, whom, I consider one of the best influential smart people/country in the world? French do everything with class.
Why is Haiti the poorest nation in the western hemisphere?
Written by: poponlaburra, 6 Mar 2009 2:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Sorry generoso, I forgot to use the fucu.
Written by: poponlaburra, 6 Mar 2009 3:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
If the goverment do not act now, within a decade our Hispanic and Taino ancestry will desapear.
Not only that, The black cloud that Haitain-Fucu bring with them will be in our side. We do not need more slums and poverty, because, poor they will remain. There is anything wrong with being poor as long as is not more than 1/2 the population.

Written by: Gizmo This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 3:32 PM
From: United States
Origenes del Merengue dominicano http://www.sabordominicano.com/merengue.htm
Written by: etiennc, 6 Mar 2009 4:54 PM
From: United States
Only 149 comments so far and no real shoutings and cursings , Dios mio ,things have changed a lot.
The sweet taste of the return of civility.
DT had to threaten to lock our comments to force us to behave.
May be Loeonel needs to to the same Ha ! Ha ! Ha !
Written by: jacirez This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 5:02 PM
From: Iran, Zähedän
etiennc,
You stupid #%$@!
You son of a #^$%@#@
Hijo %$ &*^)_(

Better now?
We're civilized for a change. That's a good thing >.<
Written by: etiennc, 6 Mar 2009 9:59 PM
From: United States
jacirez,
I wanted to take shorthand in High School and I was that this class was for girls and sissies.
I do not know what is the hell you are wrote.
By the way are a girl or a sissy ?
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 10:00 PM
From: United States
Why are Dominican women chasing Haitian men in the U.S. ? - Why Dominican women claim that Dominican men are lazy?

Can anyone answer these questions?
Written by: belly51, 6 Mar 2009 10:08 PM
From: United States, Seattle, WA
Haitian_Liberator_No1,

Haiti has done enough for the world, now it's payback time.

How about Haiti doing something for Haiti. Like getting one of your guys master mind so powerfull educated hero thats doing everything for the world to build a Haititoday.com so you can post your child playing game attitude.The problem in Haiti is not DR is that every haitian that smart enought and has the money don't want to live there man if you don't believe ask Wiclef.Why if you are so smart like you say you are how about acting like it at least and stop filling the site hating DR. We are not your problem but you guys are becoming our problem.
Written by: belly51, 6 Mar 2009 10:13 PM
From: United States, Seattle, WA
Haitian_Liberator_No1

Why are Dominican women chasing Haitian men in the U.S. ? - Why Dominican women claim that Dominican men are lazy?

Now this statement earned you all the Worldwide Letrina Awards man congratulations.Thats something you guys wish Dominican girls were doing haha nice try man.I showed this post to my sister in law and she started laughing so hard.I'm sorry for taking your time i know you have to hide from All the dominican girlssssssssss chasing you just make sure you keep going after the sign that says "BIENVENUE HAITI" OR "WELCOME TO HAITI" that way we got one less problem

A better name for you would be Haitian_Letrina_No1

Don't post stuff like this man you are making many smart Haitians look really bad.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 10:24 PM
From: United States
I am asking a question. Don't get offended. This is fact. Just answer why?
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 10:26 PM
From: United States
Why did Baez and Pedro Santana approach France, Spain and the U.S. with the requests for re-colonization of Dominican Republic?
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 6 Mar 2009 10:30 PM
From: United States

belly51, why did you show the post to your sister-in law and not to your husband or your wife. I assume your are a Dominican male, am I right?
Written by: Lautaro, 6 Mar 2009 11:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Smitty asked: "Why did Baez and Pedro Santana approach France, Spain and the U.S. with the rquests for re-colonization of Domincan Republic?"

Because the butchers that you had as rulers (Charles Herard and after him, Faustin Soulouque) threatened the people of the DR with physical annihilation, like the one your monster of a founding father (Dessalines), the so called "butcher of the mornes", did unleash upon our people in Santiago and Moca on 1805, where even the priests would not be spared (one of them, called Vasquez, would be put to flames on the altar by Christophe's troops), that's why you incurable retard. If your family and home were to be threatened with destruction and slaughter by a group of madmen, would you not do the same as they did, specially after 12 attempts by those madmen?
Written by: JRRubirosa, 6 Mar 2009 11:20 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Lautaro:


"Great input"


Haitian_constipator_No13:

You full of dirt cookies, mushrooms, and 18 century mentally retarded and anorexic
thinking!!!

Feel sorry for your country having people like you ,it there are few thousand of back
ward minds like yours that means your country will be out of the dark ages in maybe
500 years!!!
Written by: etiennc, 7 Mar 2009 12:11 AM
From: United States
futility !!!
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 7 Mar 2009 12:30 AM
From: United States
Native of Haiti White House Political Director Patrick Gaspard was dispatched by President Obama to meet with us just to make sure that the 30,000 Haitians receive TPS (Temporary Protected Status). The Haitian-American lobby machie is in full gear.

http://www.caribbeanworldnews.com/middle_top_news_detail.php?mid=2200
Written by: belly51, 7 Mar 2009 12:42 AM
From: United States, Seattle, WA
Haitian_Liberator_No1,

Native of Haiti White House Political Director Patrick Gaspard was dispatched by President Obama to meet with us just to make sure that the 30,000 Haitians receive TPS (Temporary Protected Status). The Haitian-American lobby machie is in full gear.

Hey why don't you tell all Haitian to find one of those Dominican girlsssssssss chasing them to marry them and make them legal here at least i'm sure they 100s of dominican girls to choose from just like you. By the way the key word in you whole post is "Temporary" Protected status.We dominicans actually can find some body willing to do it fo us the drill goes Merengue,Muela y mucha cabesa
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 7 Mar 2009 12:44 AM
From: United States
Haitian men in the U.S., Canada and France are like gold and diamond. White women are chasing them. Dominican women are chasing them. Jamaican women are chasing them. Women from all over the world are chasing them. The reasons that these women give are as follows: Haitian men are suave and classy. They have that French touch. They are smart and intellectual. They are hard working. They know how to treat a woman as a lady. They make good husband. They make good father. They are good lover. They are romantic.

Two thirds of black doctors in the U.S. , France and Canada are Haitians.

My own experience as a Haitian male is incredible. Women from all over the world have showered me.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 7 Mar 2009 12:51 AM
From: United States
Once you get TPS, you can get work permit, social security card and other benefits. It's a first step. We are pushing also for a general/blanket amnesty for all undocumented immigrants including the Dominicans. We are not selfish.
Written by: belly51, 7 Mar 2009 12:52 AM
From: United States, Seattle, WA
Haitian_Liberator_No1,

My own experience as a Haitian male is incredible. Women from all over the world have showered me.
----
Yeah thats why you are left as the only Haitian posting here in a Dominican news source.so many girls chasing you that you came to the big boys yard haha.You can lie to every body but you can't lie to yourself.Don't be a ignorant you are making many Good Haitians look really bad man/woman or who knows what you are by now.I'm telling you them girls chasing you are transexual.They not really girls.This is my last response to you i'm not going to waste my precious time with such a ignorant person. I look forward in more intelectual postings.By the way i gotta go concentrate on the WBC or world baseball classic since we have a team that could win it all. I wish your team very good look if ya'll make it there. So many haitians doctor yet they don't have the guts to fix the AIDS problem there in their own country.
Written by: Trinitario809, 7 Mar 2009 1:19 AM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
To the Haitian Citizens pushing to apply foreign laws into our sovereign country: Enough already! Stop! Do you really think we're stupid? What do you think is going to happen if we yield to your "plights" I'm not even going to say it,'cause I know everybody here is smart enough to acknowledge the dire consequences of such action.Look,you Haitians throw the word "pride" around a lot and yet,when push comes to shove,no one stays around to face the ugly truth and rather try to block the sun with your thumbs.You have failed your beloved Ayiti,the Ayiti you claim you love so much and yet you've turned your back on her.You've been celebrating your independence for too long now,while the world has moved on! Time to stop the party and pick up the mess,show the world and yourselves that your forefathers did not die in vain.
Written by: Trinitario809, 7 Mar 2009 1:21 AM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
What do you people think Tussaint L'ouverture would have done had he foreseen Haiti's future?
He would have stayed put,picking up cotton, whistling past the graveyard. I don't mean to insult,but the Haitian citizens need to wake up,face their situation head on and honor those that bled suffered and sacrificed to give them freedom.
Written by: Trinitario809, 7 Mar 2009 1:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
HEY YOU!!!....the so-called "Haitian liberator"......You are patethic...as a matter of fact you put the word patethic to shame! WOW!!! Right now your forefathers are not turning but SPINNING in their graves! I can tell the big majority of Haitians think the same way as you do,you have no b@lls,you rather take the easy way out,but let it be known that the road you're taking is not an easy one but a dangerous one indeed.
Written by: Trinitario809, 7 Mar 2009 1:26 AM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
Haiti it's been celebrating their freedom for too long now,in the meantime the world has moved on ahead.Time for you Haitans to stop partying,stop and pick up the mess,time for you to fix your horror show,if you hurry you might catch up to the DR back in 1822 that is!
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 7 Mar 2009 1:41 AM
From: United States

Guys,

You don't know a freaking thing that we are doing here. Come with me to Haiti this coming Monday, March 9 where former American president Bill Clinton and U.N. General secretary Ban Ki-Moon will spend two days in Haiti to assess the situation there and to infuse 2 billion dollars in Haiti's economy as well as paving the way for president Aristide's return.

I repeat again "Haiti has done enough for the whole world, not it's time for the world to pay back."

PAYBACK TIME, BABY
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 7 Mar 2009 1:45 AM
From: United States
By the time President Obama completes his 8 years in office, Haiti will regain its status as the "Pearl of the Antilles". Watch!
Written by: Trinitario809, 7 Mar 2009 2:25 AM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
HAITIAN LIBERATOR I don't mean to burst your bubble,but how many millions have been given to Haiti over the years? Have you seen any difference? You need to understand that it won't matter how much money they sink into Haiti if the mentality of its citizens remains the same.Take AFRICA for example; The richest continent on earth and yet misery and pain still overruns it....You know why..???
...It's the backward mentality.

Good night.......,Elvis has left the building.
Written by: generoso, 7 Mar 2009 10:11 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Haitian_Liberator_Fucú you wrote:

I repeat again "Haiti has done enough for the whole world, not it's time for the world to pay back."

PAYBACK TIME, BABY

Listen Haitian-fucú, you mean PACKING TIME!
You can use a computer but you live in the 19 TH century, and can't get rid of the bad habit of always begging the "mun blanc" (white men), like a monkey with a tin cup on a leash asking for coins to everybody.
Try to be a man for once in your life, instead of a beggar!
You have no even a trace of pride or decency left in you?
Written by: Gizmo This user is banned, 7 Mar 2009 6:27 PM
From: United States
Damn great post by all Dominican posters, except that Haitian Lib, lib lib did he say Liberation excuse him is those dirt cookies there laced with caca yeah..... What he meant was Haitian Restavek!!!!!
Written by: JRRubirosa, 7 Mar 2009 8:21 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Send your complaints to the state department website email and let them know that Dominicans
have fortitude, let them know how full of BS they are and defend our country.

We have a large group of Dominicans and did our job on behalf of Dominican Republic!!!
Written by: Perception, 7 Mar 2009 11:29 PM
From: United States
I can assure that in my lifetime I will see "La Hispaniola".

I don't know how it will happen, probably some 50,000 Yanks boots or just something else.

So give up, and don't suffer no more, because we can deport all the Dominican York at once, and a lot of people at DR will starve.

La Hispaniola !!!!!
Written by: JRRubirosa, 8 Mar 2009 8:46 AM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Perception:

Come on buddy "Dirt coookies" again????


Eggs and chicken will soon exported to your country try to feed your brain with real food!!!
Written by: generoso, 8 Mar 2009 9:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Perception
You blabbered "So give up, and don't suffer no more, because we can deport all the Dominican York at once, and a lot of people at DR will starve".
How can a toothless Haitian immigrant do that? Who the hell is "we".
What kind of ganga are you smoking man?
The Dominican diaspora in the US has strong political and social roots, "we" have many US military veterans as well, as "we" have integrated into the US society, unlike other groups.
The US invasion scarecrow is a thing of the ancient past, the US does not give a damn anymore about Haiti as they are too busy with their economy falling apart,
they have learned that it is a waste of time and resources to try to change a beggar failed state like Haiti and the Dominicans are tough and stubborn fighters not to be messed with, like the Somalis and the US past experience with the bad nightmare of the 1965 invasion that they thought it was going to be a "cakewalk".

Written by: Trinitario809, 8 Mar 2009 10:50 AM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
PERCEPTION,your perception is very distorted regarding the status of Dominican diaspora in the US.Unlike Haitians in the DR most of us have LEGAL STATUS (citizenship and legal residency),we are very integraded into the american society (politically,economically and military),we give back to our beatiful country (QUISQUEYA) and we gladly will die for it.

Unlike other groups we don't give up and turn our backs on our country.
Written by: guillermone, 8 Mar 2009 12:41 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
Guys, just found on U-tube a stateless Chinese man preparing for Dominican citizenship.
I hope he can do it, do you think he will make it as a Dominican national?

Check it out!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AslYF0STrWk
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 9 Mar 2009 2:18 AM
From: United States

Welcome to Haiti, President Bill Clinton.
I finally found a video that does justice to all the good deeds that Haiti did for
humanity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6rY4KZ0Q3E



Written by: generoso, 9 Mar 2009 8:25 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
What you didn't mention in the video is that the Haitian contingent of 500 soldiers, that was sent by their slave masters the French to help fight in the US revolution in 1791, were slaves not free men then and force to fight representing French backing of the US revolution.
Also in the video Bob Marley was shown singing which is an obvious and gross misrepresentation
since Bob Marley was Jamaican not Haitian and although the song that was played had to do with civil rights, Haitian music played by a Haitian would have been more appropriate to the occasion.
As usual recalling and twisting past glories and misrepresenting the historical facts.
Written by: Lautaro, 9 Mar 2009 8:42 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Check this out:

http://www.espacinsular.org/spip.php?article7292

Any thoughts about this?

Written by: JRRubirosa, 9 Mar 2009 8:59 AM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Lautaro:


Thanks!!!
Written by: antonioj, 9 Mar 2009 9:00 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"Written by: Lautaro, 9 Mar 2009 8:42 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Check this out:

http://www.espacinsular.org/spip.php?article7292

Any thoughts about this?
"
Thanks for the link Lat, I can not wait for the outcome, I hope that not one penny is given directly to the governement.

Generoso I disagree with you completely , blood was shed by the slaves not by the slave master that is in no way diminished their contribution the US revolutionary cause.

Again the picture and song BOB Marley is not only appropriate, but is welcome,you should get yourself familiar with the writing of bob and his rasta culture.

The twisting of historical facts have been done on both sides, and many other countries are guilty of such. How can you blame it on one not the other ?, best for you to find the independent truth and spread it around.

Written by: generoso, 9 Mar 2009 9:06 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Lautaro
Part of the campaign to pull Minustah out of Haiti probably so more havoc would result and the unification plans would come into effect sooner.
As Dominicans we are hiding our head under the sand like an ostrich and not wanting to see and accept the red flags coming up all over us.
Written by: Lautaro, 9 Mar 2009 9:11 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
My thoughts exactly, general. The worst thing about these unification plans is that we would not be the ones in charge, cuz' the parties pushing for it (the jesuits among others) are actually pushing for the Petionville morons to be the ones calling the shots. Can you believe it, to give this treasure of a country to so inept a group? It's like giving the church to Lutero for safekeeping, so to speak. Don't they know that the first union experiment failed because of that group's ineptitude?
Written by: etiennc, 9 Mar 2009 9:18 AM
From: United States
DEJAVU
RERUNS IN SLOW MOTION
What a waste of good ideas that the DECIDERS of both countries will not even read let alone give consideration.
Guys I admire you courage!

Written by: generoso, 9 Mar 2009 9:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
antonioj
Wether blood was shed is not the point. The point is that these soldiers were not participating in the US revolution out of their own free will and coming from a sovereign nation but were unwilling participants being ordered by their superiors to do so. Rebellion would have meant immediate firing squad. The gesture was made by France not by Haiti as Haiti was not a country yet. You can not recognize black African slaves residing in Haiti as Haitian nationals as Haiti was not a nation as of yet, and the soldiers were following orders from their French slave masters.
Had the contribution to the US revolution been made from an independent Haitian republic then Haiti could have claimed credit, but if any the credit should go to France, not Haiti, or the African country of origin where they were originally from before they were exported to the Americas.
Written by: Lautaro, 9 Mar 2009 9:26 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
ettienc,

I'll leave you with the following pearl of wisdom, courtesy of the poster called ladronaso: "The people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who will do it."
Written by: antonioj, 9 Mar 2009 9:35 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"Had the contribution to the US revolution been made from an independent Haitian republic then Haiti could have claimed credit, but if any the credit should go to France, not Haiti, or the African country of origin where they were originally from before they were exported to the Americas.
"
Generoso your argument is formidable and have been debated for years by historians on both aisle.
I can provide you link that are on each side con and for . I have chosen to support the other to give Haitians somehow the credit they deserve. But technically deem down I think you are propably right. I wonder what is your opinion Mr. Lautaro
Written by: Lautaro, 9 Mar 2009 9:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Well, on my personal opinion, I think that the general's POV have more weight, for the fact that the people in question are no longer alive for us to ask the crucial questions: Why do you fought on that war?, do you fought for it because you believed on the cause you fought for, or was it just to gain more status on the colonial society?

Another thing that gives more credence to the general's POV is the very fact that the society that would emerge from that struggle would be one in which slavery (and discrimination against free people of colour, a class to which the majority of the volontaires belonged), would be strictly maintained. So basically, the US and the volontaires that would go to create the haitian state were basically anathema to each other. It's like the attempt by some haitian intellectuals to claim John James Audubon as haitian, when the fact remains that the slaves that would create the haitian state were the ones to kill his mother and make him flee from the island.
Written by: etiennc, 9 Mar 2009 9:49 AM
From: United States
Lord grant
Roso Jacirez Rubi Lautoro Gizmo trinitario809 Belly69 Perception volcanos
the serenity to accept the things that they can not change
the courage to change the things they can change
I the wisdom to stop wasting time posting comments that nobody in power in Haiti and the Dominican Republic will read nor listen to.

Lord grant
HateIam1804 Haitian as-hole no1 Haitian dilapidator intelligence and common sense
and please remove their brains from anuses and put then inside their skulls

Lord teach etiennc how to be funnier and how to say After you guys get sent to Hell, you are all going to be all ":BLACK AND CRISPY "

Lord teach antonioj to keep his cool

Amazing grace ! How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
Once I hated everybody now I love everyone
'Twas grace that taught me
All on this earth is vanity,vain pride
when they place us in the coffins
We will look helpless, hard to te touch and stupid
Written by: Lautaro, 9 Mar 2009 9:53 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
(cont...) in other words, how can the haitian state claim Audubon as one of them, when its very laws banned (and in some instances still ban) the very existence of people like him, that is, the "grand blanc colon" class that used to call the shots before the revolution.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 9 Mar 2009 9:54 AM
From: United States
White people are crazy about Haitian Roots music" called RARA. Haitians have such a diverse repertoire: RARA, COMPAS, RACINE, MERENGUE. MINI-JAZZ, CROISEZ-LE-HUIT,

Watch the video below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHxYapGjBRs
Written by: generoso, 9 Mar 2009 9:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
antonioj
I would rather Haiti have the credit than France, as France has been payed back many times with American blood and interest for their support of the US revolution by the USA.
France anyways in those days was looking out after their own best interests backing US colonists against their arch rival's, the British.
France poisoned gift to the island of Haiti in their voracity to produce more riches from an
already crowded slave population, was to incite discontent because of the subhuman treatment of the slaves in Haiti. The threat of being sent to Haiti to many slaves was used by the French slave masters to scare Africans already in other islands to work harder or else.
When conditions became intolerable then the revolt ensued with the expropriation of French properties and the success of the expatriate African slaves taking over the island of Saint Domingue west.
Written by: antonioj, 9 Mar 2009 10:04 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
'Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1, 9 Mar 2009 9:54 AM
From: United States
White people are crazy about Haitian Roots music" called RARA. Haitians have such a diverse repertoire: RARA, COMPAS, RACINE, MERENGUE. MINI-JAZZ, CROISEZ-LE-HUIT,

Watch the video below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHxYapGjBRs
"
Sorry etiennc my patience, can you go away for a momentico, with your childish posting
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 9 Mar 2009 10:37 AM
From: United States
Guys,
You guys don't get it. Bob Marley is perfectly suited. Haitians started the Pan-Africanism movement. Haitians are not selfish. Our history shows that. I can see how disconnected some of you are. Haitians and Jamaicans are truly brothers and sisters not simply because we proudly share the African heritage, but also we have a bond that goes back to 1791. One of the major figure of the Haitian Revolution was A Jamaican by the name of Bookman. Remember when Bush kidnapped President Aristide and sent him to Central Africa (A French Colony), It was Prime Minister Patterson who sent for Aristide and have him return to the Caribbean and to spend several months in Jamaica. Haitians shed blood to free humanity from slavery, oppression and the cruel and barbaric Europeans oppressors.

Even though Universities around the world are teaching the amazing Haitian Revolution, we are not satisfied. We are promoting it even more now. A story that hasn't been told enough.
Written by: Gizmo This user is banned, 9 Mar 2009 11:11 AM
From: United States
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Hey you yeah you that just posted above, when you finish hit the lights. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 9 Mar 2009 11:30 AM
From: United States

Earlier I posted:

"White people are crazy about Haitian Roots music" called RARA. Haitians have such a diverse repertoire: RARA, COMPAS, RACINE, MERENGUE. MINI-JAZZ, CROISEZ-LE-HUIT,

Watch the video below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHxYapGjBRs

I forgot to add VOODOO.
RARA, COMPAS, RACINE, MERENGUE. MINI-JAZZ, CROISEZ-LE-HUIT + VOODOO (Voodoo has its own distinctive rhythm and identity)



Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 9 Mar 2009 11:41 AM
From: United States

Now it's time for DR to change its backward "STATELESS" law. We are living in the 21st century.

These Dominicans in the videos seem to indulge in the Haitian culture and Voodoo tradition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etuh3vNOHsM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeS54QkFVzg
Written by: Gizmo This user is banned, 9 Mar 2009 12:51 PM
From: United States
No way "Jean" you aint flooding D.R. with your retrogressive types, stay away keep you're wilderness in your own country Haiti or Hades!!!!! Dont pile you're garbage here.
Written by: generoso, 9 Mar 2009 1:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
etiennc
Sorry to say but I have to agree with antonioj, your postings are getting spacier and
sort of in "another world", and more irrelevant.
I suggest you take some pills the doctor prescribed, soon.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 9 Mar 2009 7:36 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Haitian_constipator_13:

Like comrade Gizmo said to You before:

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

tiresome, boring and annoying!!!!
Written by: etiennc, 9 Mar 2009 11:37 PM
From: United States
ok Antonioj I will go away and allow you guys to share adult ideas that will contribute or be conducive to a better understanding and the Haitian Dominican historical contract.
i will specially read your post to see if you have been able to invite tolerant, civil,rational posts.
I will keep my sense of humor when you guys choose instead to misuse your intellect in some excercise in futilty.

Written by: Perception, 9 Mar 2009 11:47 PM
From: United States
Y no son Negros todo ustedes, cual es el problema ?
Written by: Gizmo This user is banned, 10 Mar 2009 12:53 AM
From: United States
Seguro señor (Perception) Percepcion los Dominicanos son negros como el carbon? Que chistoso pariguayaso!!!!! Sera usted como ellos?
Written by: antonioj, 10 Mar 2009 1:23 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"Written by: etiennc, 9 Mar 2009 11:37 PM
From: United States
ok Antonioj I will go away and allow you guys to share adult ideas that will contribute or be conducive to a better understanding and the Haitian Dominican historical contract.
"
Now do not get sensitive on me now !! get your rear end back in the forum
Written by: antonioj, 10 Mar 2009 1:33 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
bad news for you le troudeballe more cooperation DR and Haiti

http://www.lenouvelliste.com/arti....leID=67923&PubDate=2009-03-09
Written by: guillermone, 10 Mar 2009 11:35 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
I looked up the web site Lenouvelliste, but I could not understand the language.

Mwen regret sa, ma Je ne compre anyen.
Mwen pa two byen. Mwen malad. mwengendjare, anpil. Ou konprann?
Written by: antonioj, 10 Mar 2009 11:44 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"Written by: guillermone, 10 Mar 2009 11:35 AM
From: United States
I looked up the web site Lenouvelliste, but I could not understand the language.

Mwen regret sa, ma Je ne compre anyen.
Mwen pa two byen. Mwen malad. mwengendjare, anpil. Ou konprann?
"
moin konprann ? guillermone use google translation, it;s a good piece
Written by: etiennc, 10 Mar 2009 8:31 PM
From: United States
"Los presidentes Leonel Fernadenz de la Republica Dominicana y Rene Preval de Haiti se reuniran el 24 de este mes para resolver juntos el problema de la venta de huevos y pollos a Haiti "
El listin Diario

That is what Leaders do , they solve problems.

What do followers do ?
Well, read some of the comments here in the Dominican Today forum.
Written by: etiennc, 10 Mar 2009 8:32 PM
From: United States
"Los presidentes Leonel Fernadenz de la Republica Dominicana y Rene Preval de Haiti se reuniran el 24 de este mes para resolver juntos el problema de la venta de huevos y pollos a Haiti "
El listin Diario

That is what Leaders do , they solve problems.

What do followers do ?
Well, read some of the comments here in the Dominican Today forum.
Written by: etiennc, 10 Mar 2009 8:35 PM
From: United States
Antonioj ,
Kaopectate, known medically as bismuth subsalicyclate, is orally taken medication for the treatment of diarrhea.
You also need to change your diet.
Written by: antonioj, 10 Mar 2009 8:41 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"Written by: etiennc, 10 Mar 2009 8:35 PM
From: United States
Antonioj ,
Kaopectate, known medically as bismuth subsalicyclate, is orally taken medication for the treatment of diarrhea.
You also need to change your diet
"
I will take your advice, after reading vacanos and ruby, how do you spell relief ?
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 10 Mar 2009 11:28 PM
From: United States
The Dominican Republic goverment was caught red handed abusing children and more...
see the video below that the UN and International Human Rights organizations are using as evidence. What makes it worse, there is a practice of assassinating Haitians that are organizing the workers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t6fjhYtQtU
Written by: poponlaburra, 11 Mar 2009 2:49 AM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Say what??

Haitian_Liberator_1, alias Dominicanation, alias Hatian 1801 said:
“Haitian men are suave and classy!!!” Jesus Maria y Jose I’ll need therapy after reading this!!
“They have that French touch” What? You mean the Fucu?

“They are smart and intellectual. They are hard working” Is that all you got? It’s reeeeeeeealeeeeee showing in Haitian economy!
“They know how to treat a woman as a lady” to dirt cookies?
“They make good husband. They make good father” Who dump their pregnant wives and kids to DR side!!
“They are good lover. They are romantic” eake!!! I will need therapy after reading this last one too!
Written by: poponlaburra, 11 Mar 2009 3:00 AM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
First of all, we would not be discussing and having these issues if this Haitian nuisanace was not present.
Dominican need to act and quickly. We have been wasting time. This is the time to send back this entire problem placed to us. Let’s get rid of the problem so we do not have to defend or justify our selves. Because we donh’t have to.
The Jesuits can take all the Haitians to the Vatican. The Vatican is very rich and can afford to maintain 2 millions Haitians. Let’s pack them all to the Italian and American Embassy they can send them by planes or boats. The Jesuits could take great care of the Haitians in the Vatican. Imaging!! 2 millions Haitians in the street of the Vatican!! Lovely. Hey they could make a fortune by just begging outside the basilica.
Jesuits, take the Haitians to the Vatican please!! Start helping our Dominican people!
Written by: poponlaburra, 11 Mar 2009 3:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
We could get very brutal if they keep on pushing, and we can get away because we are a third world country .
This is the time to act if we need to stop all this bs. The world is too involved in their own economic issues.
We have done enough good to Hatians already and no one is thanking us.
Lets repatriate now not tomorrow. This is not our problem, we already had done our deeds and we do not owe anybody anything.

Weather like or not, this is our country and we do as we Dominicans please “A quien le guste o no le guste!
If the Jesuits and company wants to help the Haitians, again take them to their own country, or better the Vatican.

Lets build the border now, now, now!
Written by: JRRubirosa, 11 Mar 2009 8:35 AM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Poponlaburra:

EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 11 Mar 2009 9:18 AM
From: United States

Why can't DR stop getting involved in destabilizing Haiti? Why can't they? I want an answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpF1DIpWXMs
Written by: generoso, 11 Mar 2009 12:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Haitian_Conspirator_No.1
Ale monisuer, ale, u mun fú!
NYTimes said: The Haitian diaspora can do a lot more for its stricken homeland by sending home what is really needed: money.
Instead of always wanting others to chip in while you guys look the other way when the bucket is passed.
You Lavalas dreamers are nothing but Fucú to the square root.
Pelegrin, Arriba con el muro,
a los Haitianos dale duro!
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 11 Mar 2009 5:59 PM
From: United States
Stop meddling in Haiti's affair. BACK OFF!!!!
Written by: generoso, 11 Mar 2009 6:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Go away fucú, go away.
Otherwise a bayoneta will go up your bunda soon.
Written by: Gizmo This user is banned, 11 Mar 2009 10:02 PM
From: United States
Poponlaburra you are so right! "I THINK IM IN LOVE" Poponlaburra just kidding, but you are correct dear.
Written by: poponlaburra, 12 Mar 2009 2:39 AM
From: Dominican Republic, popon@att.net
Thank you guy!!!
Written by: generoso, 12 Mar 2009 7:30 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Read this about Haitian scavengers in organized looting bands raping the country:

http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=94012

The police had to put special patrols in Puerto Plata to protect the tourists from aggressive Haitian
beggars that were accosting the tourists outside hotels, restaurants and shopping malls.
Written by: Haitian_Liberator_No1 This user is banned, 12 Mar 2009 12:37 PM
From: United States

Don't be jealous of Haitian rich mud cakes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI9lVI3lwY4
Written by: generoso, 12 Mar 2009 1:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Haitian Conspirator
You have broken all the rules so I am reporting you.
Cross posting - Don't post the same message or reply multiple times on different articles/forums of the site. Anyone repeatedly cross posting may have their cross-posted messages removed and/or face a temporary ban
Flooding - Creating multiple posts of the same topic over and over again is subject to deletition or in extreme cases to your account being banned. In the same way, constantly trying to turn every conversation to different subjects will also be considered flooding if other users report the problem.

Written by: generoso, 12 Mar 2009 1:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Other readers please report this troll who like his compatriots just uses the DR like a discardable
condom. They invade, loot, pillage, beg, steal, abuse our transportation, health and educational facilities. Pollute with their garbage our cities, cut the trees in our forests, make illegal charcoal, pollute the environment, curse our religion with their voo doo practices, and on top of all that still
have the audacity to DEMAND REPARATIONS AND RESTITUTION!
This is the vermin that you are dealing with.
If anyone is entitled to reparations and restitution is the Dominican Republic for having provided food, shelter, health and jobs to all the millions of Haitian illegals that have come with their palms up.
Written by: Kaliman, 12 Jul 2010 12:57 PM
From: United States, California
In any part of our world, WE THE PEOPLE give governments their rights: to protect and to preserve life. If they abuse of that power & authority or of those rights, then WE THE PEOPLE have to take away those rights. We must select qualified people to run our government. Qualified people embody the best human virtues; such people normally think about other human beings first, before they can think about their own person; such people think about the needs of other human beings before thinking about their own personal needs; and such people place more importance on the whole of society, all families of a society than on individuals. But we are all important whether bunched in groups or counted as individuals. The HUMAN RIGHTS of all people are essential in any part of our world. No government should be denying RIGHTS to its people; no government should be denying CIVIL RIGHTS to their people. Such a government is one without honor, integrity and it cannot & should not exist in our world.
Written by: Perception, 11 Dec 2010 12:19 AM
From: United States
Written by: Kaliman, 12 Jul 2010 12:57 PM
From: United States, California


I endorse what said above !!!!
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