Why is there a New Zealand flag? ANyway, given the fact that Haitians make up the largest percent of migrants, this story is beyond obvious.

What would be more interesting is to report back on whether any particular group of migrants are disproportionately over-represented in the prisoner population.

stirring the pot today DT ......stand back as the stuff hits the fan

babosita the "social justice" making exuse for our haitian pest. what is new?

This news, although important, should not be used as a excuse to hide the obvious: that on this year and age, the DR still have a lot of people imprisoned without trial and without following the due process, regardless of the inmates being foreigners or not.

Dread they got your Nigerian banker friend

"Written by: gouletcolonial, 9 Mar 2009 11:39 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo,calle comercio zona colonial
Dread they got your Nigerian banker friend
"
He got my $5000 cheque I am still waiting for him to ship me the brand new rolls royce, good he got what he deserves, from now on I am staying away from these emails from prince akibaba

I would have been surprised if there was more cuban in jail, where is the news here ?

it is going to be nasty and hot when the hatemongers get in !
i prdedict that dt will lock the obscenities :

I believe that Haitians are little angels and they wouldn't commit these acts, it is racism biased agenda against these poor people!!!

They need help from the ONG's, Sonia Pierre, Francia, Canada, US, etc, etc

Maybe Dominicans are too racist and biased!!

Haitians no no haitians are good they are innocent oh no Haitians bad oh no! My precious no my haitians are precious, no naughty haitians oh no my precious..... flap flap flap flap. No my precious haitians are good yes my precious..... flap flap flap flap. My precious he hates it my precious my haitian precious..... flap flap flap flap. GOLLUM GOLLUM.....

Oh the words of ignorance and the vileness of hatred and bigotry. But what's to be expected from people just too removed from Dominican reality to see the hardship faced by all. It's easy to criticize when you're in grigolandia earning dollars or when you live a comfortable life in la zona colonial or punta cana, but it’s much harder to push for change to improve the lives of ALL people. People here work well together when there is Buena voluntad. But people who start w/ a biased view tend to see only the things that support their warped concept of reality and ignore the majority of cooperation and peaceful coexistence.
My only question for the people who spread hate and divisiveness is, how do they respond to the negative stereotypes that exist of Dominican immigrants in the US, PR, and Spain? Maybe these negative stereotypes don’t apply to these hate-mongers, so why do they believe all the negative stereotypes of migrants in the DR apply to all migrants?

Those poor Haitians are victims of Dominican xenophobia and should be all pardoned and given
compensation as well.
Haitians are heroes since 1791 and motivated the US revolution, helped Simon Bolivar conquests, invented most music except the boring classical stuff, and with their voo doo can project their power
on any human being, regardless of distance.
The US government is now run by Haitian influence and so is the UN and Hollywood.
Haitian secret weapons were used in Iraq to torture and extract information from terrorist prisoners.
They were just told that they will be sent to Haiti instead of Guantanamo and they confessed everything immediately.

Hard enough to make a "Lord of the Ring" reference in any conversation, let alone one about foreign nationals in Dominican jails ! Is anyone surprised about Haitans being the largest percentage of inmates in the DR , diven that there are more than a million of them living there? It's like being surprised that Mexicans make up the largest number of foreign inmates in U.S. jails.

Baldoria23 Why don't you tell Leonel Fernandez to grant free access to all Haitians as they please. And let Dominicans pay the tab. Let the haitians march in take all the jobs pay everybody a slave wage, how about it Baldi. Let the haitians cut down all the trees for charcoal because as you know Haitians are Aytians you know 'Tainos' and they sure love nature? Let the haitians create a political party, maybe our next president will be "President for Life" amen. How about it let the haitians run our military, let them run our economy bye bye "economy" We will see you in hell good riddance. How about it Baldoria23 give it up you've been had! It's Dominicans like you that will destroy the future of our little precarious territory and give it up to people that have literally destroyed there own real-estate. "NO SEA PENDEJO CARAJO".....

These 425 folks are all Dominicans. Because they have dark skin, they call them Haitians. When will DR start to live as a civilized country?

Haitians made you taste freedom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6rY4KZ0Q3E

Jeez.....with the exception of a few comments, it's amazing that most of the comments are anti-Haitian.....I guess prejudice/resentment run deep. But I can understand those views......I mean, we've never dealt with stereotypes of Dominicans as uneducated, over-sexed, ignorant drug-dealers..... Perspective is good, especially for a people that I believe, if given the chance, would jet from the island for greener economic pastures in a heartbeat. Add to that the strong emigration trend and connection with the US, I would expect a reasonable person would be able to at the very least appreciate the possibility that perhaps Haitians are targeted and scapegoated by people who really don't want to get to the bottom of DR's problems: massive corruption throughgout the system. You could jail every Haitian and I guarantee you our problems will still be here for at its root, the p;roblem is an internal problem not an immigrant problem.

The posters here don't realize that the whole world can read what are being posted here. They are writing without keeping in mind that this is a World Wide Web. People are judging DR based on how its people think. This website mirrors the Domincan' sick mentality. A nation of African descent, Taino and Spaniard. A nation with an identity crisis. Should I say "SELF-HATRED".

MannyTav How many haitians must inhabit D.R. until it satisfies you and your Haitian apologists types, theres 1.5 million to 2 million haitians in a small country of about 9 million souls. Why must we carry the burden of a country that's been in turmoil for so long. Why blame the D.R. and not blame the real culprit Haiti. In a country where per capita has the highest birth rate in Latin America, and is the poorest in the hemisphere and least developed. Do you think we should grant these illegals citizenship? what you think will happen next? please were grown people here, i don't need a sermon from a person that can't figure out the dire consequences this threat of a problem represents to the present and future development of Dominican Republic. And stop mentioning the U.S. in this conversation for theres plenty of illegal and legal haitians here in the United States also.

Haitian_ Liberator_ no1 Please everyone knows that's the cheap excuse coming from haitians "RACISM". In a country like Haiti that suffers discrimination from a tiny mulatto elite, please save the charade for the unexperienced and those that don't know your history you aint fooling nobody.

Rubby & Gmo, did you think I was referring to you when I said "bigots"? What gave you that impression? What about what I said do you oppose? You see, if you allow me to give you some guidance, to have an exchange an idea you don't agree with you engage it, not present crass points that have nothing to do w/ the issue.

Now, like I pointed out you may not be altogether up-to-date on DOminican society, as you both seem to be based outside the DR. By this I'm not saying that the issue of undocumented migrants is not taxing our country, but rather that we should come up with a humane approach that protects the human rights of migrants, satisfy the economic needs of the DR, and helps develop Haiti so that there is less of a need for Haitians to come to the DR. Now, to make it simple for you, what about these things you don't agree with.

I understand your views Rub/Gmo, but I think that your approach would divide families, HURT the economy, and give us a Bad reputation abroad.

Manny, great post. Keep the flame burning. The winds of hatred and xenophobia always try to put out the light, but we need to continue promoting Human Rights, Social Justice, and Democratic governance. But some of our fellow posters don't see that an injustice against one group facilitates injustices against all. Moreover, many of these hate mongers may experience discrimination against them, and may be simply trying to make themselves feel better by discriminating against others. We should be more understanding of the plight of migrants in the DR, as over 2 million of our brethren have left our land in search of a better life and face the same type of discrimination that people like Rubby & Gmo propose against migrants in the DR.

So Manny and others, keep up the good fight. And maybe share with us WHY it is so important for us to take a humane approach towards migrants in the DR. Maybe then these other posters will understand our view point.

Baldoria23 The problem is not the host country the problem is Haiti, it's one of the most corrupt country's in the world. The haitian problem needs to be solved in Haiti not D.R., if you can't understand that then you're wasting the time of serious posters.

Gmo, I get your point, but the issue is w/ both countries. Please tell me one country that has successfully dealt w/ immigration issues unilaterally? There have been ongoing multilateral efforts to harmonize immigration policies in LA. These include the Regional Consultations on Migration in Central and North America (the “Puebla Process ”) and the South American Conference on Migration (the “Lima Process”). These are examples of the growing acknowledgment that migration issues are at best partially addressed with unilateral, or even, bilateral actions, and that multilateral efforts are needed to address the massive flows of human capital across borders.

So to throw up our hands and say, this is Haiti's issue so the DR shouldn't do anything- except raise a wall or deport all undocumented migrants, is not going to be altogether effective at stemming the tide of migrants or helping people improve their lives- which should be our ultimate goal, right?

Thats great ! free housing "three hot's and a cot" and someone to spoon with and snuggle up to on those chiily nights.

That would be a dream come true for some..

Please don't interpret this post as nothing more then tasteless humor..

What I've proposed is that we help develop Haiti's border area so that farms and factories are developed that would trade w/ the DR and employ Haitians so they don't have the need to migrate to the DR. Such bilateral cooperation CAN help address the migration issue, as it did btw Costa Rica and Nicaragua and as it's doing, albeit to a much lesser extent, btw Mexico and Guatemala. The point here is that if we refuse to help Haiti develop, undocumented migrants will continue to come into the DR, regardless of how many tens of thousands you deport or how high the wall is.

How can we pay for this? good question. take the money we currently spend deporting Haitians and invest that! That alone would provide the seed money. Then the DR can apply for donor money, once it's developed a working program to help Haiti. Int'l donors LOVE south-south cooperation and will throw money at us ;-) We can then use that money to employ Dominicans to lead the development programs. Win win situation!

Good idea Baldoria23 but we first got to deport massive amounts of haitians protect the border erect a wall. Then apply what you said, not a bad idea as long as we are not being overwhelmed by haitians.

Here you go, see people care!

UN's Ban, Bill Clinton visit Haiti to aid recovery!

http://uk.reuters.com/article/homepageCrisis/idUKN08540841._CH_.2420

The presence of the Secretary-General and President Clinton will bring a strong message of hope that Haiti is still 'winnable,'" the statement said, adding that new partnerships were needed to rebuild the country after the storm damage.

Now it's a chicken-n-egg issue. Again, this is not going to be an overnight solution, so deportations and border wall will not be effective unless there are jobs waiting for these people. So, I think that we need to help develop, then enforce more immigration & border controls. Also, punish dominican employers who break labor laws by either hiring undocumented workers or violating their labor rights (not paying them)...

Great, when do we get started?

;-)

I predict 500 posters
What a beautiful subject !

It will get started hopefully when we get a new president in power, the traditional parties are not going to do nothing. Unless it becomes too late then were going to end up in a civil war internally, between real Dominicans vs. Haitian illegals and Haitian-Dominicans whatever those are. But hopefully who ever comes to power will do the right thing, this president is a weakling flake, no balls.

"Unless it becomes too late then were going to end up in a civil war internally, between real Dominicans vs. Haitian illegals and Haitian-Dominicans whatever those are
"
That statement above is ridiculous and idiotic, you have such a wild imagination Gizmo instead of being a total fool can you for once post something that make sense.

if it is not antonio the clown j who would that be. i got news for all of you foreigners "social justice" expert if it take another trujillo so beat it. i predict this haitian problem to get worst just like when trujillo decided to draw border line and then someone with ball will take power will do what is right for DR with the haitian problem just like trujillo did.

trujillo had it most worst back int he 1930'. in fact from near santiago all the way to dajabon these area used to be an extention of haiti. haitian money were used on regular basis in these area. after 1870 just like today it was a peaceful invasion. it took trujillo to stop their plan. if not for trujillo we would had been talking creole by now and no tree to protect us from the sun.

for those of you that doesn't know the DR is been active in haitian development for decades
apart for the us haiti is probably the biggest trading partner of the DR , so i post the question:

For how long does the DR continues to serve as a Haitian release valve considering the state of the haitian nation as of today when yet another crisis looms in the horizon?

Another 10, 20, 40, 50 years maybe another century?

Now if you're a true Dominican that have 1oz of patriotism and love for your country will you be ready to sacrifice it to help the poor haitian republic.

Consider first that as an island we have limited resourses and that we can only uphold so much.

Are you ready to hand it over?

the foreigners activist from antonito to dreadlock to papapupu to bruto to babosita to haitian liberator these clowns know more about our country than we do. if it were for these joker we would had been talking creole and practicing voodo. if this is here imagine the pressure the ngo put on our govt everytime we try to deprot 100 illegal haitian. no peak from these imbecile yet on the 30,000 haitian being deported from the usa. feeding those illegal haitian for the usa govt is like taking a penny from a billion dollar yet they want nothing to do with those backward manner people. 30,000 haitian is a big burden for dr to feed try 2 million illegal haitian in dr allready.

Everyone knows that Haiti treats DR like a backyard! Haiti throws at DR: Poverty, diseases, illiteracy, violence, contraband, weapons, drugs, and laundered money!

Hate? Is 1801, 1805, 1822, 1845, 1849, and 1855 and now 2 millions illegal not enough to hate them?

Xenophobia? I guess these people are not afraid to have a Haitian pipe inside their intestine eating everything they eat (parasite!).

425 Haitian jailed by drugs. What about those that commit crimes and robberies with white weapons?

Old School, help Haiti? NO WAY! WE purge DR of the illegal, close our borders and live in complete isolation from those maggots!

I predict:
This is year 2010
A terrible earthquake has splited the island of Hispanola into two seperate islands Haiti and Dominican Republic ..
All Haitians ( a code name for darker skin Dominicans) Have been forced back to the island of Haiti.
Letroudeball. Vacanos,Old school trinitario. Gizmo, Rubiosa are now in cookoo asylum in straight jackets and are undergoing psychiatric evaluation.

They are speaking and a strange tongue and were caught carrying a white robe and a white hood running down naked on maximo gomez avenida dressed in a white robe

this is year 2010

Hate sells ,Hate is entertaining
What would Dominican Today be if there were no hatemongers trading insults.

I am currently in Haiti with Bill Clinton, Wyclef Jean and Ban Ki-Moon. I showed them some DT postings and they were shocked.

For the folks who wished ill for Haiti. Just take notice. Haiti did so much good deeds for the world. It's time for the world to pay back.

I have been warning you. NO JOKE.

This article is a positive article because it shows that, out of the 2 million Haitians in DR, only 0.0002125 engaged in drug activities. The rest of the 1,999,575 Haitians are hard working individuals.

THis is for those of you who continuously rely on "history" to promote hate, discrimination and violence. People who argue that because someone else has done- or would do- some injustice means that you should too, is lazy repugnant, and indicative of an inferior mind. Furthermore, it is a sign of an argument void of any logic. Whoever this applies to, go argue w/ plato and kant...

ANother thought... How small of a mind do you have to have to claim people who believe in Human Rights are not Dominican? For whoever said that, perhaps you should come live in the DR so you can see that the VAST majority of us actually treat other people like people! We who are here interact w/ Haitian migrants on a daily basis. They are our neighbors, they work in our communities, and they add to our cultural richness. The other day I saw a few of the kids from the Liceo practicing their French with some Haitian migrants in our town square. That's how we live, interacting and learning from eachother

people who can't fathom that we dominicans are able to promote human rights or completely out of touch perhaps b/c they DON'T LIVE HERE and don't interact with Haitians on a regular basis. THe vast majority of these people are here to work. In my town, they are a valuable source of economic activity, and I think that the colmados, super market, telefonica, computer shop, the chimi kart, etc., all appreciate the fact Haitian migrants are coming to buy things.

As for trade... Yes the DR trades w/ Haiti A LOT! and look how our chicken producers were hurt last year when Haiti stopped buying chickens from the DR b/c of contamination! People, by trading w/ Haiti we're helping ourselves. If you can't see that, let me know, and I'll write out a whole lesson on Int'l trade, PdF it, and email it whoever doesn't understand! By helping Haiti continue to develop, they'll continue buying DR's goods, employing their own people, and help reduce migration. it's that simple.

Good posting Baldoria23 man like you, is why DR is moving forward. Haiti on the ther side have more of the equivalent of the Vacanos and their crews.

babosita you are a disgraced. please dont try to call yourself dominican trying to make foreigners believe here that we dominican want our own destruction for our country. not even you believe you are dominican if you are you need some big time checking in that brain. in person i havent met a dominicans who think like you. you want to unite our land with haiti allowing them to come and bring all their misery with them like they been bringing here little by little since 1980. and then in a few year we will be with no tree and desease poverty and chaos rampant in our land? tell me is that what you want for your """dominican"""country?

Vacalao... first, I'm the one living in the town of my people, not in gringolandia. We've lived in Cabrera before the town was even called cabrera... My cousin was not only the sindico of our town but also the senator for the province. Furthermore, I'm the one who fights for the improvements of the lives of all people in the DR, not someone who would have us be at the same level as Sudan Iran, and Zimbobwe - let me know if you don't understand the reference, and i'll spell it out for you.

The reason you haven't met DOminicans who think like me is b/c YOU DON'T LIVE IN THE DR! Next time you're here, come and I'll take you to the PUCAMAYMA, FUNGLODE, FLACSO and UNIBE and introduce you to some social scientists who believe that we're able to live and succeed in harmony w/ our Haiti. Then I'll give you a tour of my town and show you how people work together to promote to survive. That way you get both the views of the intellectuals and people on the ground.

Lastly,

as for you antonio the clown j let me guess this you think babosita probably a haitian is a great dominican because he think we should unite the island and that i a bad dominican because i think we should lives free of those illegal backward manner people. what a jerk. foreigners doing what they do best hablar cica.

Baldoria I understand where you coming from with your ideas of human rights and been a good christian and help others, it's all fine and dandy but you didn't answer my question for how long are you willing to do sustain lets say two families of seven with 4 children each living in your house until they are able to return to their original birth place?
You have to know where you coming from before you know who you are so yes i " rely " on history, not to promote hate but to make sure people like you don't hand over my cultural rich background and ethnicity to foreigners. You definitely have good intentions and I'm sure there are alot of people like you in DR but the reality is a differnt one, no disrespect but if you step out of your community and drive to other areas where people are really poor then you'll see the racial tension reaching breaking point, it has already exploded in a couple places like neyba, santiago, mao.

But anyway i found out that haitians are not to blame

moreover, I know it's hard for you to comprehend big ideas, but please try to read over my posts and please tell us where I proposed to dissolve the border? I'm just curious, b/c as far as I know, I haven't even come close to such assertions. Do you think increased trade & cooperation is akin to dissolving the border? If you think that, then you think we're thinking of dissolving the border btw the DR and Taiwan, since we're talking about a Free Trade agreement w/ them...

Vacalao, you're a simpleton and you embarrass yourself and waste the time of the rest of us. Please take a vacation from DT or try be coherent in your posts. You nazi you...

what are you trying to push is for dr to resemble haiti, zimbawe, sudan, somalia and all the other african country. oh babosita im in my santiago three time a year and at least i know my people of santiago and know what they want. unlike you who doesnt know crap about my country. if you are so confident in your haiti bailout with our country why dont you go to the street tell them what you wish it will happen? please do it before la golpia empiese. people like you and the jesuita evil in the frontier and that crazy haitian sonia pierre should be sent back to haiti as punishment.

My own freaking Goverment is the hand manipulating the millions of Haitians in DR for personal gain. Unfortunately there is nothing we can do to stop it unless we take up arms and wack some of this lacras that are selling out our country.

how can i blame haitians for crossing the border, they're hungry people and hungry people go where the food is. The problem is that when the plate gets have empty and food become scarse guess whos are going to be the ones running for their lives? and when this happens what are you planning to do, take your food out of your kids plate to feed your host.

babosita there are only one "dominican" here on this site who think like you. i wonder why that is?

Trinitario, I'm with you and thankyou for your thoughts. first, I didn't say that we support anyone, but rather that we refrain from mass deportations and costly initiatives like building a wall, while we help develop jobs and industries in Haiti. As long as we're working towards developing the Haitian side and we're making progress, this will reduce the flow of migrants. Then after things reach a positive stage, then we can help Haitian migrants who want to go back to go back, and also tighten immigration policies to control the flow of migrants. We can implement labor rules to punish employers who hire undocumented workers and who violate the labor rights of workers. That's it. No supporting any families, beyond the public services - health, education, security, etc.

As for history, we need to read it from different points of views and try to understand an unbiased account of it, but never to justify intolerance, violence, or hatred.

nobody is with you on your idiotic idea of transforming dr into a african country. are you nuts get a grip on yourself babosita. he simply stated that there is no way to implement your idiotic idea but he think you got good intention trying to help other. which i dont think you are doing it as a good christian but as a fellow haitian trying to help his people.

to be patriotic, doesn't mean to discriminate against foreigners. Actually, that form of patrioticism hurts the country more. For me to be patriotic is to uphold the liberal principles upon which our nation was founded. Like Bosch and the constitutionalists, when we see injustice, in whatever form, we need to denounce it and fight it w/ all our strength. We need to realize the dream of social justice and progress for all people in the DR. That is what patriotism is for me.

Yes, the tension and violence against haitians has exploded in some parts, and look how UGLY it has been. But instead of calling for an expulsion of Haitians, or the creation of more ghettos or townships, we need to educate and promote tolerance. Mass Education is the only key for promoting human rights and tolerance.

Baldoria, I have PM you with some interesting material that I came up with while navigating the web, please feel free to examine it at any time.

Vacaloa, you're like a freaking seal just barking your filth - bark bark bark... your comments reak of hatred and intolerance.

Come live in the DR and see the reality. It's easy to say your a patriot when you're in gringoland, but come get your hands dirty planting Yuca, or sweating when the lights go out. Come to a Barrio and try to organize kids to stay in school or join community cultural groups. Come... I invite and welcome your help. Until you do, don't say you're more dominican than me, b/c the truth of the matter is, pariguayo, that just b/c you call yourself vacalao doesn't make you Dominican, just makes you a chump w/ weak ideas, nazi tendencies, and who provides endless entertainment for those of us who are here to actually work to improve the DR. If anything, these Haitian migrants who are building our cities, digging our ditches, and planting our batatas are more Dominican than you'll ever be... Chump!

Vacaloa says, "bark bark bark... I'm a dumb seal... bark bark bark"

thanks lautero, I'll give it a read.

cheers,

babosita usa got order to deport 30,000 haitian back to their country. i dont see you get mad at them. oh wait they are a superpower with muscle usa just laugh at you guys. dr try to deport 100 illegal haitian is racism. babosita activist like you are making it easy for another trujillo to rise and then all hell will break loose. se van a quedar sin pito ni flauta.

Baldoria i cite history again for you.
The haitian people historicaly are very proud and independent no matter what economic and social deterioration they're experiencing even more nationalistic and brutally violent than we are, they will see your good intention and ideas to try to help with the development of their country as an outside interference in their internal affairs, categorize you as threat and then kill you and set a truck tire on fire on top of your dead body.

this is not and invention this is history.

They will do this to a fellow party member that disagree with the majority

Vacaloa, b/c the US has its own warped immigration policies, doesn't give us the right to follow suit. We can't justify any injustices, b/c others commit atrocities. Governing should not a race to the bottom, but a striving the highest of liberal principles - Human Rights, Democratic Governance, and Social Justice.

Here's an honest question - How would you feel if your partner was coming home from school or the market, and just b/c they didn't have their IDs on them, they would be deported to Mexico? w/o any recourse to courts or immigration appeals. They were just taken, put in a truck and shipped to the nearest border. Just imagine if that happened to your wife and you had some young children at home. Just imagine if you weren't even MEXICAN, if you were born in the US and lived there all you're live. How would you feel? Honest question. Lets see if you are able to move away from your Nazi Barking for a bit...

Hurry up, I have to get some work done today.

babosita wow so they get the ok from you but since we are a third world country with no power and in no position to feed the haitian we have to eat it righyt.

about your question. first of all any illegal dominicans in any country should be deported. it is none of our business to try to intervene in other country law. second how many case like the one you mentioned you see in the usa consider they are over 12 million illegal mostly mexican. police officer dont have authority to ask for paper only by immigration officer when they do radi. dont go there the illegal alien no country treat illegal better than the usa. i know it because i see it everyday. they can go to school free they can go to the hospital for free. please dont go there you dont know crap what are you talking .

I predict that in the year 2010 a terrible earthquake will split the island of Hispanola into two seperate islands:the Island of Haiti and the Island of the Dominican Republic.
I predict that all Haitians ( also a code word for Dark Dominicans)Will be forced to live on the island of Haiti exclusively.
Dominican coast guards will be patrolling the gult of ABSURDITY that seperates the island Of Haiti and the island of the Dominican Republic to stop all Haitians(code name dark Dominicans)from reentering the island of the Dominican Republic.
I predict this will happen in year 2010.
My friend antonioj will ask me to stop being childish but read the sublimal message.

I have been a disciple of the french poet Moliere,( Jean Baptiste Poquelin)
"Castigat ridendo mores"
"PURE REASON AVOIDS EXTREME, AND REQUIRES ONE TO BE WISE IN MODERATION "
(MOLIERE)
I have also read over N over the book by Francesco Parisi : The Law Of Econimics And Irrational Behavior.
HEY ROSO GOOD DAY

I'm not excusing the US in any way, shape or form. READ READ what I wrote!!! And if you need ANY information about how the US treats migrants, just ask. We can start from the 1870s and the Chinese exclusion act, move onto how the Irish were treated, then how nativist movements subsided in 1890s and came back during the 1910s and materialized in the 1924 Immigration act which enforced quotas based on country of origin, which was weakened w/ the many exceptions during WWII and the 1950s and was eventually overturn in 1965. Since 1965, there have been many efforts to deal with the immigration in the US, including the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, and the nativist "Contract w/ America" inthe 1990s. Now the US is still trying to reform its immigration policies. I can get into more details if you want any insights into exactly how documented and undocumented migrants are treated today in the US.

As for the scenario I painted, this is what happens in the DR TODAY. If you look "haitian" and do not have your ID card, you can be deported, regardless of your actual migration status or whether you're even a Dominican Citizen!

And even if you are undocumented, do you not see anything wrong w/ families being potentially split up like that? If a woman has young children and she's summarily deported, what do you think will be the impact on those children? Do you see what I'm getting at? can you?

you write with no fundamental. do you know why people from all around the world want to come to the usa legal or illegal? not because of those reform you are talking or could be because they know the opportunity this country offer its people who live in like no other country in the world. do you know in europe if you are a immigrant you cannot open your own business? here legal or illegal the oportunity is there. think about it with all the flaw this country is the best country in the world for immigrant it is a fact. now you and any other "social justice" in no position to contradict the law this country pass regarding immigration. im all for the shippment of all the illegal back to their respective countries wait for their turn in due time.

VACALOA - what does that have to do w/ the price of tea in CHina??? You're truly out to lunch man. I congratulate you on trying to engage w/ me on these issues, but I can't waste my time w/ you. At least not today. I have too much work today.

Cheers mate...

"Los presidentes de Republica Dominicana , Leonel Fernandez y de Haiti, Rene Preval. se reuniran el 24 de este mes en Comendador, Elias Pina, donde se anunciaran las alternativas para solucionar el problema de venta de huevos y pollos al vecino pais, prohibida desde hace mas de un ano " " El gobierno dominicano, segun se estimo, busca los mecanismos de acercamiento con el vecino pais, para determinar juntos formulas contra crisis"dice el Listin Diario.
In the meantime the Haitian and Dominican hate mongers are here in this forum DT trading insults and diatribes.
Some people are born leaders and some are born followers.
Some people solve problems and some create problems
Some people are realistic and progressive and some a reactionary, divisive and delusional
Some have their brains inside their skulls and some have their brains in their anuses

i dont see anything wrong with the country deporting the illegal. why those parent broke that country law in the first place. people sometime for some reason feel entitle and that we should bend the law to satisfy them. let me ask you something what about a immigrant who waited 10 year doing his paper you dont feel sorry for those people who decided not to break the law and do it lawfully? please answer me that

babosita say it im too good

Vacalao, I just got off a call with the UNDP and couldn't resist checking DT.

SO you don't see anything wrong w/ the mass deportations, even if potentially baseless, and the potential breaking up of families? You don't think there are situations where policies should be nuanced? For you, it's ying or yang, nothing else? well, my friend, then I hope that you never experience a world like the one you propose b/c reality is a bit more complex than in your never-never-land. What if a person simply left his/her cedula @ home? What if the person is applying for assylum and still doesn't have their papers? What if the person was born in the DR, has lived there 40 years, and has never been to Haiti, but just has not gotten their papers?

Relying on extremes is the result of a mind unable to appreciate or handle the complexities of reality.

Ok, I'll check again in a few hours, after I finish some more work and eat some locrio de costillitas ;-)

Cheers all,

Baldoria23:

What kind of idiotic ideas you have, on your haitian agenda proposals
there is nothing to win for the DR, I uderstand that you as a haitian
promote your dumbass propaganda.
Haitians represent the biggest threat to my country, whether you whine
or cry your ideas only benefit haitians, if the US are planning to deport
30,000 haitians there is a very strong message for the international
Community to take note about enforcing migration laws.
Funny thing is that current president is black And haitians like you are
expecting a out of space miracle from current American administration.

Every country in the planet as a sovereign nation has a right to control,
deport, allow or grant rights to any specic group according to the law.

This is only for drug trafficking charges, other crimes not included. I'm surprised there's not A LOT more from Puerto Rico.

Ruby, what's your country? the US? we're not talking about the US. This is a Dominican site. Please don't confuse the two.

You and your nazi ideas went out w/ WWII, get a clue. We're living in the age of Democracy and Human Rights. And Ruby, I don't have to prove my dominicaness to you or any of you other Yahoos. I let my ideas speak for themselves. If anything, you who abandone our country are the Vende-Patria - NOT THAT I'M ANTI-DOMINICAN DIASPORA - but it amazes me that people who left have the galls to question other people's dominicanness. YOU'RE A JOKE and other people can see that you're idiocy prevents you from accepting that people in the DR are capable of doing what YOU've never been able to do, fight for a better country for ALL. You left, we're here fighting for a better DR. So take your Nazi ideas and shove'em

stop being such a whiner. "oh people who don't agree w/ me are not DOminican..." Pathetic, what an argument!!! You bring shame to us all.

By the way, just to show the stupidity of your posts - since when do Mogolians like you are interested in the DR? I know that you live in teh US and probably know many hard working DOminicans, but you're from Mongolia, you don't need to be spreading your filth here on a Dominican site. Go back to Mogolia and leave us alone!

babosita i see that you got back after i spanked you. hey there babosita are ou going to answer my question after i answered your?

Baldoria:

Sorry for being stupid, so how much money$$$$
your ONG receives from haití, france And every
Body else then.

Baldoria:

Sorry for being stupid, so how much money$$$$
your ONG receives from haití, france And every
Body else then.

Babosita:

Now I get your point, you are better than me because you
Make business with our neighbors with your creole ONG
Isn't this a conflict of interest.

While you are more patriotic than me you are stealing $$$
from these people abusing their rights, sorry again little
Prick

i have to see his birth certificate not even like that i believe babosita is dominican. how many dominican out there want to do what this clown is promoting. either the masoquist type or the haitian born in dr like that evil sonia pierre.

" Los presidentes Leonel Fernandez de la Republica Dominicana y Rene Preval de Haiti se reuniran el 24 de este mes para solucionar el problema de venta de huevos y pollos" Listin diario

While these two great men are discusing the commercial future of the two countries, the little people blinded by their prejudices ,their intolerance ,their meaness,their limited view of the world we are living in today are busy posting ignorant and absurd comments and are denigrating each other.
No wonder great people have a tomb stone when they die.
Little people are dumped in a hole and nobody remembers of them .
They have never solved any problem.
Gos bless Fernandez
God bless Preval.
This post is so strong that nobody dares responding to it.
I predict that nobody I mean nobady will respond !

That's the thing Ruby, you think that in order to promote Human Rights and Democratic goverance you need to be "getting something." But far from being part of an NGO or having any business with Haiti, these are my views b/c I am deeply committed to the promotion of Human Rights and Democratic Governance in the DR. I feel that these are the principles that can help the DR promote social justice and address the needs of ALL people in the DR.

These are the Liberal principles upon which our country was founded, that our constitution is based on, and that Bosch tried to establish back in 1963.

Vacalao, if I ignore you, will you go away? you're like a turd that stinks up the place with your Nazi ideas and who can't accept that there is a rich heterogeneous debate as to how to deal w/ Haitian migration. The ideas that I'm proposing have been discussed @ FUNGLODE, FLACSO, & UNIBE - how do I know this, b/c I've partaken in these seminars and have seen our own government supporting these

ideas. Well supporting may be a bit far fetched, discussing these ideas.

So you see Ruby & vacalao, you don't need to be haitian, of haitian decent, have business w/ Haiti, or be employed by an Int'l org to support a humane approach to Haitian immigration. All you need is a deep commitment to Human Rights and Democratic Governance. Or are you guys against such silly ideas :-/ no wonder everyone calls yous guys Nazis...

It's really amazing b/c only simple-minded people can't fathom that there are other people w/ different ideas, and when they encounter them, they like to label them as "foreign." I am quite different from both of you, your 100% correct, I loved my country enough to not leave leave it behind and now I'm fighting to improve the lives of ALL people in the DR. Yous guys just left and must be feeling guilty or something. Yet I don't deny your Dominicaness, b/c I understand that many of us have had to leave to seek a better life...

Vacalao, do you really think all dominicans think like you? is that your illusion? Just goes to show what an IDIOT you are. So if you're an Liceita and I'm Aguillucho (hasta la cepa), I'm not dominican? In case you don't know these are baseball teams, I know you've been in the US for a while and might not know. You know a lot of people here Denounce the diaspora as not being True DOminicans... I vehement argue against that b/c the diaspora are supporting the DR, and while they may not be here they are the lifeline of this country. You may not be up-to-date on social issues, but you're still dominican.

but You and Ruby embody the oppressive nature of a single Identity. People who don't share your nazi views are labeled "foreign" b/c that's the only way you can explain why other people support human rights and democratic governance. It must be nice to live in gringoland and have these views. But remember, that many here disown you as much as you disown liberal principles...

Etienc:

I'm bored ti death right now so ley me reply to you in a professional fashion,

René p: leonel plz stop mass haitian deportations And I"ll promise you to
Stop the bs haitian conmotion against Dominican chicken And eggs to
Haití, also apologize for the media publicity.

Leonel fernández: done deal for a short time frame, will do my best to
Support you bit plz don't let us deport 30,000 of your people, complain
Same way you guys make a bit fuss when DR exercise its right to protect
the borders.

I think Vacaloa & Ruby must actually be serbian... yeah, Molondron Melosavic is truly their idle. I can just see them w/ posters of Melosavic on their bedroom walls.

Vacalao, what you believe me importa un carajo! I'm trying not lower myself to your level. You disgust me, embarrass yourself, and are a poor excuse for a human being. You give a bad name to the DR, and I think the country is better off not having poison like you here. Go back to Serbia and idolize your Molondron.

Your lack of education & manners speak volume of your ignorance and lack of reading comprehension. I wish you luck and hope that one day we can meet so that you can see the error of your ways. You simple minded, single-cell organism, who can't see or appreciate the world past her senses.

What a sheltered life you must have lived that produced such a limited mind. Maybe all the drugs you sold and weed you smoked really killed all your brain cells - maldito huele-pega. You're a poster-child for why siblings shouldn't marry, and why adult edu is so needed.

sorry to the other folks here, but I couldn't hold these jabs back. dealing w/ this rat is too much someti

babosita getting upset and sensitive about telling you what we all dominicans think of your bs. good then i did my job to the fullest. im leaving my business in a little bit a happy camper knowing that i pissed the hell out of a imbecil rata who is trying to destroy my country. you dont have to say sorry to the other folks here they know what kind or rat you are. haitian lover trying to promote the unification of haiti with dr. prick why dont you sell your stupid idiotic idea to haiti you medio hombre. i wish you take my task i put it to you so i could see all the galleta in your sorry face when you try to sell your "social justice" bs to the dominicans people.

Baldoria23:

Keep promoting your creole agenda, hopefully you don't
Get punched in the face when a truth patriotic Dominican
comes across your vodoo, retaliation And wonderland
Preaching.

At least have decency And pride, your nationality shame
Ful opinions lack personality And transparency, your comm
ents are so far off reality that you are either naive or stupid.

Mixing human rights with letting your people act at will is
Very prehistoric And disoderly non sense.

Preach your ONG ideas elsewhere not in Dominican sites
full of patriotic individuals like me

Vacalao, the only thing that upsets me is the wasted time I spend on filth like you. Your baseless ideas, your foul mouth, and your stupidity are mostly entertaining. And if you truly think all of us in the DR think like you, just look at the diversity of opinion among the major political parties - PRSC is most anti-haitian; PRD is more humane; and the PLD proposes a more nuanced approach. So, you schmuck, if all of us think the same, why is there such diversity in thinking even in our main parties? Moreover, even LF himself is favoring the idea that we need to help Haiti develop in order to stem the flow of migrants. Of course he, rightly, says we don't have the resources to do it alone, but that doesn't mean we're not doing it. For example, late in 2008 we planted 2 million trees on the Haiti side of the border. That's akin to what I'm proposing... So you see vacaloa, my thoughts are not as radical or unique as you paint them.

Your nazi views are clearly rejected!

Ruby - this is a summary of your comments

blah blah blah blah blah...

What unintelligible crap are you saying now. Go back to Serbia w/ your nazi ideas.

I can see Ruby and Vacaloa making-out in front of a poster of Molondron Melosovic :-)

Do you even know what you're talking about? let me get this straight, you're opposing bilateral cooperation that would benefit both countries, promote human rights and stem the flow of migrants to the DR... Ummmm sounds like you're still supporting your nazi ideas.

Keep at it fellas, one day you'll be the first to say that you share one brain...

babosita i see that you came for more. lowering yourself or taking a pela? let me get this you think what you are promoting is not radical? in haiti is not radical you are hero there like sonia pierre but try to sell that in dr. not radical? what about idiotic ignorant and reprehensible. you are so lunatic you actually think many dominicans think like you the sonia pierre of DT. protecting our border is not nazi but our right as a sovereign nation. babosita let me ask you this do you want another trujillo in our country to fix the haitian problem again? i

Bueno, I've been keeping track of this on the side and couldn't hold out any more. Vaca & Ruby, you're both too extreme and baldoria23 is the voice of reason. Everyone can see you two don't hold a candle, mis-read & misrepresent people's comments. You both can benefit from shutting up and reading more carefully.

Baldoria, sigue en la lucha. Que necesitamos gente como tu, con una vision humanitaria!

I wish trujillo was around, so he could take out pendejos like Ruby & Vaca. Go back to school!

El presidente Leonel Fernandez de la Republica Dominicana y el presidente Rene Preval de aiti se reuniran el 24 de este mes para resolver juntos el problema de la venta de huevos y pollos a Haiti.
In the meantime time what are we doing in this forum ? the usual !
Well we are not leaders we are the people: emotional, irrational ,vain ,confused ,prejudiced pessimistic ,fearful.
We need leaders since we can not be leaders ourselves

Baldo it pains me to even skim threads where intellect is wasted on the yokels of the forum. Please ignore them .. the sad thing is that by paying them attention you feed their troll ego and their false sense of being oppressed saviors spreading truth.

antonito the clown j if it wasnt for this rata who will be another foreigner prick obsess with this site trying to change our mind of what we think of the backward manner people to the west of dr. well antonito it seen that all of your foreigner plan is making all of us dominican wake the hell up. thankyou imbecil

nybuche it fit your name cara buche. yeah you got that right i wish trujillo was around to hanged the people like you and babosita and the other social justice bs who are tring to ruin our country by promoting unification of haiti and dr. thank god for trujillo who draw the line with the backward manner haitian.

Bunch of haitians twisting reality!!!!!!


"Dios, patria y libertad" or "Duarte, Sanchez y Mella"


No more BS pacific haitian invasión!

they are a few haitian pretending to be dominican. like we dont know they cant say perejil.

Hey Vaca & Ruby, get a clue, ALL dominicans are against your nazi ideas :-)

Nazis, nazis I hope people don't think that all us Dominicans abroad are as sanganos as you two clowns.

Manhattan, Etien, Baldoria and others, maybe we can petion to kick these clowns out of DT :-)

Dear afrikan-nazis:

What's your point of view when your people want to discredit our
Country in order to get an edge to manipulate internetional comm
Unity to feel sorry for your cause.

Dominican Republic has poor people that endure hardship And
And economical strugles to get by, so why We hace to provide
Or facilitate the modus vivendi of a "etnia" that has proven itself
to try to anhilate us in the past And will no spare any resources
to wipe us out at any given moment.

We must protect And cherish our country, constitution, freedom
And never, ever allow any 1822-1844 event.

That's the thing Ruby, you're discrediting our country! you are bringing down the name of the DR. Your nazi principles may have worked in Germany, but not in the DR. We're a country based on and striving for liberal principles. We're far from perfect, but there is a vast group pushing for democratic change and human rights. Look at how well Guillermo Moreno and the MIUCA did in the last elections. The MIUCA embody the principles we are striving for. The major parties also support the promotion of Human Rights, but not of democratic governance - that's their big flaw.

The point is, get a clue and stop hiding behind history to promote hate and discrimination. Read my early comment - justifying injustice today on history is lazy, repugnant, and indicative of an inferior mind. So stop justifying your hatred and vileness on history and be courageous enough to promote human rights and democratic governance!

nybuche are you asking the other foreigners here to petition a ban against dominicans on this dominican website? what a freaking nerve. haitian people are the biggest snake you can think for a human being.

babosita porque no te calla la voca

Nalgoria23:

Human rights have nothing to do with letting your people dictate what Dominicans
Have to do, that's why most of the countries freak out just by thinking about your
ONG agenda.

What pissed me off the most about people like you is distorting reality to fitb your
Stupid agenda that will never benefit Dominicans at all, if US is looking to get rid
right now of 30,000 of your own people, why you think is the. Main reason And
Why we must be forced to accept your creole agenda

God luck, how can you reason with uneducated ZOMBIE, it's a lost case period.

antonio the clown j extranjero biralata you are in no position to talk garbage on any dominican here. are you really expecting real dominican to back your haitian buddy babosita proposition to unite dr with haiti. freak you do a better job advocating for the haitian pligh by chosing another host country for those backward manner people.

This video doesn't lie about the implication of DR government's involvement in exploiting, abusing kidnapping children. Assassination of Haitian workers organizers is common. Evidence for the UN and international Human Rights organizations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t6fjhYtQtU

Antojito, NYBuch, and others...

These yahoos have NO argument. They keep regurgetating the same filth and don't see us true Patriots for what we are, the DR's best hope.

and Vaca & Ruby, I'm not all convinced you're actually dominican. Only Nazis who want to see the DR humiliated and discredited would call for policies such as yours. Yous guys are a trojan horse. But it's all good b/c our argument is solid enough to withstand your Nazi beliefs.

So go back to Serbia you Melosovic lovers.

Everyone else, lets do an experiement - LETS NOT RESPOND TO THESE BOSOS AND LET THEM FESTER IN THEIR OWN FILTHY MINDS.

QUe malditos parguayos. It's amazing that people still belief that they have the complete truth. Hey Nazis, have you ever been wrong in your lives, EVER? Why do you think that you have a monopoly on the Truth? Only weak-minded people think that, and only people with no arguments or points resort to name calling.

For the most part, I think that a moderate approach is the best way to proceed with the Haitian situation and hope that our leaders cooperate to help improve the situation.

Baldor, I agree, lets ignore these Nazis :-) Que se pasen el dia frustrado con su odio y basura... NO meresen ni un solo minuto mas! viola-chivos que son!

ps - Vacalao, it's that I don't want dominicans to be excluded, I just want JERKS like you to be excluded.

just checking in to see whats happening here in the food fight......ugly ugly

WhySmitty/LostForever/Cruz666/Haitian_Liberator_No1 said: "This video doesn't lie about the implication of DR government's involvement in exploiting, abusing kidnapping children. Assassination of Haitian workers organizers is common. Evidence for the UN and international Human Rights organizations."

Until your country solves its restavek (child trafficking and slavery) problem, you have no moral authority to be pointing fingers at us on this ground. As always, this post shows your absolute lack of scruples, bad faith and "bite-the-hand-that-is-feeding you" attitude typical of some people in the haitian diaspora. Haven't you got any shame left in you? Is it proper for you to be pointing fingers at us, when the DR is the only thing preventing the utter extinction of Haiti's population?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhdttD70GEw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbbM8OM9Dqw

nybuche i see how you pronounced parguayos can i help you say it in spanish the proper way i know you guys got problem with the i like peregil it is pariguallo. by the way how is your batelles community in flatbush.

it is very refreshing and healthy to learn that the two leaders of haiti and the dominican republic rene preval and leonel fernandez respectively will meet on march 24th to discuss the sale of eggs and chicken to haiti.
some great people are born leaders and they solve problems while the little people are being dumped in the sea of ignorance with the weigh of intolerance, prejudices attached to their feet.
good job leonel
good job rene
te dogs bark and the good soldiers continue to work.
god grant me the wisdom to see the difference between great men and little men

thanks god that there is a dominican police anda dominican army

to keep the anarchists in check

babosita people like you is why we human being sometimes end up in totalitarian regimes. ultra lefty social justice like you is why lacras like stalin, castro, tito, kim yong ill, khan, mao, ect rise to power. you guys start preaching at university how the poor lazy been denied ect. you guy want everybody to be in the same social standard. then when the stick hit and the killing start to educate the mass you all go running like goat to the system you like to fight. like i told the clown j find another host country for the disease plague backward manner people of the west.

Dominican Republic is one of the main destabilizers of Haiti.
DR always participates, plots and conspires in Haiti's destabilization.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpF1DIpWXMs

" thanks god that there is a dominican police anda dominican army "


INDEED

all Haitians should thanks the corrupt unpatriotic Dominican military for managing a open border policy with the sole intention of filling up their bank acounts with human traffiking and drugs traffiking money.

Haitian_Conspirator_No.1
Are you mad from all those dirt cookies with dung mushrooms or what?
There you go again blaming the DR for Haiti's problems you irresponsible piece of undigested cow dung.
Why the hell would we want destabilization in Haiti? It is like shooting yourself in the foot to be able to walk better.
DR wants Haiti to become more stabilized, but only responsible Haitians can accomplish this, not kakas like you always blaming others for their misery and members of Lavalas dreaming on mad man Aristide returning to power.

generos, you can't handle the truth. When you are faced with the truth, you go nuts.

Why have you lost your cool? the video doesn't lie. The facts are DR is always involved in destabilizing Haiti. The Dominicans are complaining about poor Haitians crossing their border illegally. You guys have created the situation. Stop supporting coup d'etat and STOP BABBLING.
Aristide is the best hope to change the Haitian society for the better. Aristide was flipping the Haitian society, which needs some profound reform. STOP MEDDLING IN HAITIAN AFFAIR !

JUST BACK OFF !!!!!!

Haitian_Fucú_Conspirator_No.3
If your leader Aristide would have had any cojones he would have died fighting like a man, instead he ran like a cucaracha after begging the US to get him out.
Worst of all your boss is such a snake that after he fled to safety he reneged on signing his resignation letter. What a worthless piece of dirt cookie dung the leader of your family Lavalas is!
And we don't want to meddle in your affairs we just want you and your brothers to go back to the failed beggar nation of Haiti or black hole that consumes everything, and stay there!

I say BACK OFF !!!!

You back off fucú, back off to the promised failed state of barren Haiti.
You lavalas pro-Aristide fanatics are the worse fucú that Haiti ever got.
Once you are all back we will build a wall so high that will make the great wall of China small in comparison.
Built by Dominican civilians and military volunteers with money donated by private enterprise,
Dominican diaspora, government and concerned parties.
Change your name again you slimeball, next time to Failed Haitian Fucú conspirator or Fahafuco.

PITI YOU'RE REALLY SOMETHING.

i'm holding your restitution in my hands right now...


it's heavy and spits out led

Haitian_Conspirator_No.1
Your Haitian slime ball the video is an obvious fabrication by low life persons like yourself that are not only beggars, but are biting beggars that bite the hand that feeds and help you.
You have no shame to try blackmailing us with such garbage, but of course what can you
expect of an Aristide restavek backer.

WhySmitty/LostForever/Cruz666/Haitian_Liberator_No1

nana nana hehe hehe good bye

ok guys 130 posts is enough !
Save your insults , your diatribes and your ramblings for another time.