Santo Domingo. – On the Catholic Church’s opposition to legalizing abortion and marriage between homosexuals, citizens say abortion is a crime, for which the Revisory Assembly shouldn’t approve them.
In a brief poll conducted by reporters of newspaper Clave Digital, the majority of the those consulted say the problem of abortion must be dealt with by all sectors of society, a fact they affirm is already penalized by divine law. “I feel that the church must exert influence, because if they approve it would be a crime on the part of the legislators,” said Rafael Peña, a private employee, whereas Patricio Rubio said the best thing for youth would be for the Catholic church to insist with its opposition to that practice.
Another citizen asked, Rafael Mena said the creatures that come to the world cannot be assassinated and that no power of the State could legalize abortion, "that has done much damage to humanity.”
Clara Elena Bassorah said she agrees that they “work more to prohibit abortion, because nobody has the right to take the life from anybody, of a defenseless and innocent being.”
On Good Friday the Catholic church took advantage of the Sermon of the Seven Words to demand a ban on abortion and marriage between homosexuals in the Constitution. In the sermon, the seven readings attacked some lawmakers who, according to the Church, promote the legalization of the interruption of pregnancy.
Written by: ateo1992, 20 Apr 2009 8:14 AM
From: Dominican Republic
what a tragic and sad moment in the history of our nation!!!
i thought we where going forward in a more liberal country and prosper better but no!
the church always messing around with things that have to do more with politics then there own beliefs.
legalize gay marriege and abortion ( with some restrcions offcourse ) for the sake of freedom, liberty and prosperity!!!
From: United States
There is no problem getting an abortion anywhere in the country. The problem is its expesnive. The more money you have to spend on it the more likely you are to not have problems afterwards. Some people just kick the mother in the stomach or take a few pills to save money when they realize they are pregnant and dont want to have a baby. Others go to peoples homes to have the abortions done. If you have the funds you can have it done in a clini quite easily too.
Remember anyones version of justice is for sale so if you have the money you can have anything done.
Written by: Bailarin 
, 20 Apr 2009 10:09 AM
From: Dominican Republic
God made Adam and Eve , not Adam and Steve....Homosexuality like abortion are both sins against God , not the church ..People love to use the hypocricy of the church and its fallen leaders to continue justifying thier own wicked behavior ..Sorry , but on the day when Almighty God judges the living and the dead , you are going to stand before Jesus Christ and give an account of your life , not his church.. ....The good news is that God hates the sin but He loves the sinner and will forgive any and all sins to all who would ask ...
Written by: curlando, 20 Apr 2009 10:51 AM
From: United States
Homosexuality is just not inappropriate. It is abnormal. All of a sudden homosexuality should be accepted. No.
Written by: , 20 Apr 2009 11:29 AM
From:
Bailarin,
This is your belief - you got no proof either for your god or jesus - keep your belief to yourself - and I will not bother you,
then,
we who have a belief that says this is nonsense - can we please keep our belief without beeing bothered by your sort?
Written by: Edward, 20 Apr 2009 11:39 AM
From: United States, Faux News: Unfair Imbalance
The Cardinal Nicolas Perez de Jesus Gonzales Martinez whatever his name is is the Dominican version of Jerry Falwell. LOL
Written by: Bailarin , 20 Apr 2009 11:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Yo G . '' I GOTS NO PROOF '' that Columbus was the first person to drink mama juana in Santo Domingo EITHER but it seems that your a little threatened by '' my sort ''... ''wORD''.
From: United States
Gay Marriage is a civil right and has nothing to do with religion or religious beliefs. No one has the right to tell others who they can marry.
Written by: Trujillo, 20 Apr 2009 12:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I respect your religious beliefs, but who is this God? He made "Adam and Eve", were they white, black or asian? The "virgin" had a son, really? If this "almighty God" made us all, then isn't God responsible for making homosexuals too? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a liberal hippie, but religion in my opinion has been a disaster for humanity. Separation of religion and state, that's what should be in the constitution.
Written by: Bailarin , 20 Apr 2009 12:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic
God does !!! and it is a sinful abomination against him.
Written by: Trujillo, 20 Apr 2009 12:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
By the way, I think that abortion will NOT be legalized in the DR. The Dominican Republic is a conservative nation, hypocrite at times, but conservative. If they do legalize it, then I hope it would be with restrictions, it shouldn't be a "sport". What I truly believe in is in the death penalty, and the anti-abortion people in congress are talking against that too, as if it is the same thing.
Written by: Trujillo, 20 Apr 2009 12:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
It's good for our democracy that we're having this discussion.
Written by: Bailarin , 20 Apr 2009 12:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Si senor Trujillo , your 100 % right , '' religion '' is a disaster ...True Christianity is a Relationship with the true and living God.. Christ came to restore what Adam lost ...... Religion is man reaching for God but Christianity is God reaching down to save man ....The word religion literally means in Latin '' to re- link again to ..iT IS MANS attempt to re -link himself to a god of his choosing or the true and living God..When Adam and Eve fell in the garden , they realized they were naked and hid themselves from the presence of God , They tried to cover themselves and thier shame with figleafs ..This was the very first religous act in the world ..Man was trying to relink his fallen nature to God by his own efforts and coverings ...Nothings changed ..Only God HIMSELF CAN CLOTH OUR SHAME AND NAKEDNESS WITH THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST HIS SON . tHIS AND ONLY THIS is the only acceptable covering for our sin...It doesnt matter what color they were but I bet Eve was slammin .
Written by: Bailarin , 20 Apr 2009 1:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Trujillo , Just for the record , God didnt make homosexuals just like He didnt make the Devil ..God made the angel Lucifer who became the Devil ( or Satan ) after he fell from his position in heaven because of his pride ..In the same way , all that we see today thats wrong with the world was not Gods original intention but the result of man wanting to be God of thier own lifes...In His word , God promises to one day restore all things and make all things new ..A new heaven and a new earth ..
Written by: Trujillo, 20 Apr 2009 1:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Yes, religion is an invention of man and to me God can't be a man. I've thought about who God could be, and nature itself is what I keep thinking about.
Written by: Trujillo, 20 Apr 2009 1:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Bailarin, my intentions are not to offend, so sorry if I sound like I try to offend you or your beliefs.
Written by: Bailarin , 20 Apr 2009 1:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic
If your truly seeking who God is Trujillo , its because He is first seeking you ..But please dont take my word alone or any mans word for it as your eternal destiny is to important ..I encourage you to read the Gospel of John and let God Himself SPEAK TO YOU and reveal himself to you ...
Written by: Edward, 20 Apr 2009 3:36 PM
From: United States, Faux News: Unfair Imbalance
Written by: Bailarin , 20 Apr 2009 3:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic
King David wrote in the book of Psalms '' the fool has said in his heart ,'' there is no God ''.
From: United States, MD
i don't agree with gay marriage or abortion-thats all i got to say
Written by: razon, 20 Apr 2009 7:17 PM
From: United States, Pensacola, Florida
Religion aside, homosexuality and abortion go against NATURE. Both of them must be considered as the path to man's doom. All of us owe it to nature to procreate. The future of mankind rest upon this.
Written by: BASTA, 20 Apr 2009 10:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic, = Ghetto-SPM-Barrio Blanco
God made Adam and Eve , not Adam and Steve SO what - There is no God.....all VooDoo crap.
From: Denmark
Bailarin,
I suppose you have a brain, I suppose you believe you got it from your god - so far you have only given all of us here on DT evidence that you have been indoctrinated and have been reading all kind of stuff backing up your belief.
Don't you think you should start utilizing your brain to figure out yourself? According to your belief it would be a sin not to do so. Then start questioning all and everything and do not take everything else fed to you as proof of an existing god as a truth.
Written by: Bailarin , 21 Apr 2009 8:14 AM
From: Dominican Republic
ScandiViking , you are living proof that if a man doesnt stand for something , he will fall for anything !
From: United States, atlanta GA
In all areas of the wild kingdom you can find gay activity. I found a thick book on it, almost boring in its extensive detailing, about all the different varieties of homosexual animals.
So now I'm sure the argument by homophobes will switch. At first it was, "Well, Animals don't engage in homosexuality. It's not natural to be gay" And now it will be, "Well, we don't want to act like animals. Especially perverted Dolphins."
Is homosexuality natural? Natural is a subjective, argumentative word to begin with. But from the point of view of the animal kingdom, homosexuality is very natural.
Normally I wouldn't post what I believe to be a copyrighted clip, this being National Geographic, however, I'm not sure anyone is objecting since this is YouTube and The National Geographic Channel could use some publicity. They're always trailing behind The Discovery Channel. If it gets removed and you can't see the video then that's why. This also has Asian subtitles. Maybe they don't show ki
Written by: Bailarin , 21 Apr 2009 10:09 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Homosexuality is a result of mans fallen sinful nature apart from the lordship of his creator ,not a PART of Gods intentional creative design...(.Even for animals) ...and for the record , though homosexuality is sin , its no worst than any other sin of sexual immorality ....
Written by: agibus , 21 Apr 2009 11:09 AM
From: United States
Bailarin
Your concept about sexual orientation is very religious .In reality exist a full of contradictions between religion and society .In DR a very catholic country sexuality is liberal .Gay and lesbians is important community .The leitmotiv is also turism industry .Gay bars and clubs are the most lucrative in the caribean.Bisexuals also are not a schock.Now Homophobes are fighting against what they think is wrong or sins.Abortion is a right or a crime ?Contraception is still a good solution to avoid accidental pregnancy. Pope is against condom using and avortion but beg perdon and pay millions for pervert priests.God
Written by: agibus , 21 Apr 2009 11:23 AM
From: United States
Project of law for same sex marriage is not a bad idea.Gay pride on the Malecon will be a big event in DR.And we can see how important is gay and lesbians community.
Written by: Bailarin , 21 Apr 2009 11:27 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Agibus , what is an avortion ? also , you obviously havent read all of my responses in regards to organized religion and the church ...I suggest you do that before you start waving your rainbow flag in my face and farting through your mouth about how a community of gays is so important to a God hating , truth rejecting society on its way to hell in condom dispenser..
Written by: Banana, 21 Apr 2009 1:08 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Snoopy3k--the public whose government is in their own hands does in fact have the right to tell who can marry whom. Ask the pre-pubescent girls being married off for payment of debts and such in other countries (i.e. Saudi Arabia) if they like that their government does not interfere in marriage laws (although the Royal government is trying to interfere but unsuccessfully able to do so). It is in societies' best interest to define marriage. "Marriage is a noble institute" is said for a reason, particularly noting the word "institute." It is a PUBLIC institute and is at the foundation of a society. For those reasons careful thought should be given before stamping "legal" on a marriage certificate. Also, regarding "civil rights"--no rights should EVER be based upon someone's sexual preference. In legal terms anybody with any sexual preference of ANY sort would be allowed under this vein of thinking. Perhaps a little more thought of the consequences of these "rights" is in line.
Written by: derek, 21 Apr 2009 8:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Beware of any political leader, also a religious fanatic. examples such as 'king' George W Bush III, President Ahmad???? of Iran, Osama bin Laden, The Pope, etc etc etc. All are blinded by their religious beliefs to promote absolutely stupid ideas, such as the Pope avowing that using condoms increases the risk of Aids. Or king George that torture is justifiable.
All are about equally fanatic and equally stupid. Separation of Church and State is a fundamental necessity for a leader to rule harmoniously and reasonably.
Written by: Banana, 22 Apr 2009 3:43 AM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Derek--not sure if you were referencing my comment about state being able to mandate marriages as legal contracts, but -as far as separating church and state, there is no problem there. Anybody can marry anybody or anything they want under any religion they want. The only catch is that it does NOT have to be recognized by the state as a legally-binding contract, and it CANNOT infringe upon the rights of others, particularly innocents (i.e. under legal age or being forced against one's will). Also, no religion is required to recognize somebody's preferences. In otherwords, the Catholic Church does not have to recognize a homosexual couple's desire to be married under Catholic precept. So, homosexuals can "marry" in any way they want. Nobody is stopping them. Should they be given tax breaks and legal rights? Now you've got another issue on your hands and you're opening a Pandora's box that is incredibally naive on any nation's part. Sexual preference NEVER is grounds for rights!
Written by: derek, 22 Apr 2009 7:55 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Banana, you seem to have missed the entire point of 'gay marriage' It is all about legal and tax rights, the rights automatically conferred in a 'straight' marriage. To reverse you last sentence, the sexual preference of a 'straight' marriage confers many 'rights'
Written by: Banana, 22 Apr 2009 10:44 AM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Derek--no, I didn't miss the point--in fact, that's exactly what I stated. When you start allowing people to marry whatever it is they declare they want to marry--be it a persion of the same gender, a minor, an animal, etc., etc. the state has a vested interest. The human race can only be continued through a heterosexual union, therefore the fundamental basis of a society. Theororize, philosophize, and justify any other union you want, but my point that you have seemed to miss is that anything beyond this basic definition of marriage opens up legalizing any union that anyone deems is their "right" to have. Clearly the current state of a "large minority" feels that it is all about them when the majority has defined marriage in a conventional way. The nation and their government have the right to declare who should receive funding and legal recognition.
Written by: Banana, 22 Apr 2009 10:49 AM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
That is a democracy or a republic. Should the majority start to define it otherwise is that society's right to choose, however, the consequences of a free and just society become compromised. The ONLY things that a human being should ever NOT be judged upon is: race, color, gender, age, and disability. Any action of a person's free will and choice should be scrutinized. It is the right of a society to "discriminate" against people who would otherwise undermine rights of others in their society. I firmly believe every person has every right to act for his or herself--according to the law. Let consenting adults consent, but to recognize and protect under law what some feel is morally not right, though not infringing upon another's right, is a completely different issue. So, in otherwords, I did not miss your point, and I hope you now understand my point (read the previous posts again if necessary).
Written by: Bailarin , 22 Apr 2009 11:11 AM
From: Dominican Republic
My friend Banana , who gives men these inherent rights to be the god of thier own lives and others in the first place ? Surely not the likes of a George Bush or A LEONEL FERNANDEZ . Are we accountable to no one in the end ? If NOT , I would be a fool not to spend every waking moment I have left sipping Mama Juana on Sosuas shore line and Dancing home from the disco every night with a different whore under my arm ...Even the apostle Paul wrote '' If Christ is not risen , we Christians are bigger fools than everyone , eat and drink for tommorrow we die ''..In other words , do as thou wilt for there are no consequences ...But , if so ..Prepare to meet thy God , for it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Living God , and not know Him..
From: United States
Banana governments in those countries where girls and boys are being sold to others for whatever reason do not interfere because that is law of the land and thats what those governments feel is the right thing for whatever reason. Most if not all of those governments which you refere to are tyrannical and dictatorships where government is all, law is none excistent and where civil rights mean horse crap. Now getting back to what I said no man,woman, child or creature has the right to tell another what to do if that is not their will. By stating that marriage is only between a man and a woman, is to alienate a very large and vast segment of this worldly society that we live in. Thus by alienating, those that feel left out will demand equal treatment in the eyes of the law. Just like any other civil right, like the right to vote, to sit in the front of the bus, to eat in whatever restaurant one feels like and the right to marry whom ever one chooses.
Written by: agibus , 22 Apr 2009 12:30 PM
From: United States
Bailarin is in charge of apostolic mission.Maybe Avortion is a crime and DRcongress vote is a fact.What about pregnant girls at 12 years old by drunk father or maniac brother .Do the victim has to keep the baby even with clinical complications.Education of clerical illuminate is to square in the case.
Written by: Bailarin , 22 Apr 2009 2:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic
IN CASE YOU MISSED IT AGIBUS , I want to commend you on opening your bible . Im obviously succeding in my mission .(return to the Matt. 18 response for further commentary. ) The very extreme cases you are referring to are few and far between but very real . Even when it is some dUMB REDNECK FROM the MISSISSIPPI swamps sleeping with his little sissy , the who gets to live factor is a very rare scenario .. But , what ever the case may be , there is a big big big difference between killing the baby and keeping the baby ....The adoption option is a very selfless and maybe a more painful choice for the one victimized then sucking its brains out.. For the ones who were just having a good time and dont want thier lives inconvienienced for 9 months for there actions ,adoption should be the only alternative ...
By the way people , I speak from personal experience ,not from my @^# and I am very blessed and grateful that I let my son live ..
Written by: brittany, 22 Apr 2009 3:07 PM
From: United States, New York
crazy
Written by: Banana, 22 Apr 2009 3:48 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Snoopy3k--I don't mean to be disrespectful, but PLEASE reread my posts. Every thing you mentioned I talked about. . .wow. I can retype it all if you want, but come on. . .
Please research the example of Saudi Arabia I cited before you comment. Also, the United States is dealing with "legal" marriages of minors and polygamists in their courts.
Again, sexual activity is a choice. I did not say that homosexuals don't truly have those feelings. . .yes, I know this argument could go on and on. If I have to I can again address why this isn't a "right." Hint: for starters--pedophiles feel it is a child's "right" to participate in sexual activity. If you think this isn't an issue on the horizon, you better do some more research.
Simply put: ACTIONS ARE NOT GROUNDS FOR RIGHTS. . . RIGHTS ARE BASED ONLY ON SOMETHING A PERSON CANNOT CHANGE--RACE, COLOR, GENDER, AGE, DISABILITY. People change their sexuality at will however they want and choose (please see Brittany's posts).
Written by: Banana, 22 Apr 2009 4:02 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Bailarin--I respect your deep beliefs, but the way they are presented are very inflammatory. I asssume your apostolic mission is hoping to reach out in love and truth, and not by making enemies. The two camps for and against will never see eye to eye. The only platform for discussion is the law and what Paul talks about in 1 Corinthians 13.
Written by: Banana, 22 Apr 2009 4:29 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Brittany--religion is a terrible thing a lot of the time. It has been the biggest tool of manipulation on more people for more time than anything in this world. It is not God, nor his teachings, but human kind that has "weaponized" and warped what he has given His children.
God is more loving and forgiving than most people have ever imagined. However, that doesn't mean he justifies what he has said is sin. My biggest fear both in law and religion is that people pick and choose what they want to believe and what they say is right. No society will ever survive very long, and no people will ever be happy on those grounds. It is not about doing what makes YOU happy--that is the biggest lie of our global culture. It is not "all about me"--not when there are almost 7 billion "me's." I hope that we can all be more introspective, considerate, and seek for truth in laws of man, nature and God rather than what we feel is our right or what makes us feel "good."
Written by: Banana, 22 Apr 2009 4:49 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
This is a "just in case" comment: If you're thinking, "homosexuals are born with those feelings--they can't control those. . .so it's their "right" to be homosexual and have the government recognize and protect them." 1-feelings are real 2-they can be controlled and acted upon at will and therefore is not something unchangeable like race or color 3-the law is impartial, in otherwords, the law is made to protect its best interests which is the society as a whole, not minorities' interests.
Gays can be sanctioned in any way they want. Laws no longer discriminate against their practicing what they want as consenting adults. If they want SUPPORT from the government particularly through tax exemptions, etc. those people need to reconsider the purpose of those benefits and how and whom they serve.On this note, what keeps a society and its government in place? Studies in Europe are showing a huge shift in the trajectory of their societies. A paradigm change w/ little thought of how.
Written by: Bailarin , 23 Apr 2009 8:41 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Thanks brother Banana , and as Paul commands us in the scripture ,I am '' only speaking the truth in love '' ..Unfortunatly , the truth is painful and it does hurt for most people and yet Jesus says ''I AM the way ,the truth and the life AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE...'' It was Jesus that said He is the only way to the Father and to heaven , not the pope or the catholic church ..If anyone has a problem with this , take it up with the Lord as they are His words ,not The Apostle Bailarins lol...
Written by: Bailarin , 23 Apr 2009 8:55 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Sweet Brittany , Thanks for joining the debate .. Let me first start by repeating myself when I said earlier that God did not make Homosexuals Just like He didnt make the Devil ..God created the Angel Lucifer who fell from heaven because of his pride and from then on he was Satan or the Devil ...Everything we see wrong with the world is a result of the fall , not what God intended...Likewise .homosexuality is result of that fall as well . Is it sin ? yes ..Is it forgiveable ?yes..Is it a choice ? yes I believe so..Just because I feel like having sex with every hot woman I SEE DOES NOT MEAN i have to act upon it ..Feelings rarely dictate true reality and are a poor barometer to measure it.. Its unbelief that keeps a person from entering in to all that God has for them .God does and is very capable of changing these desires as we walk with Him by faith..
Written by: Bailarin , 23 Apr 2009 9:20 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Brittany baby , it is important to note that HOMOSEXUALITY is no worst a sin in the eyes of God than screwing your neighbors wife or watching pornography ...The bible clearly teaches that the pervert is just as vile of a sinner as the guy next door fudging the budget or cheating on his taxes....Jesus said '' all sins will be forgiven the sons of man and all blasphemes they utter , but he who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven in this life or the next '' The only sin that God will not forgive is the sin of rejecting Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour of your life as HIS BLOOD IS GODS PAYMENT AND PROVISION FOR OUR SIN... The bible says that Hell was created for the Devil and his angels , not man ..If a person goes to hell , its because they chose to go there , not because God sent them . Yes , God is pro choice ,He will respect your right to choose Him or reject him ..
From: United States
Don't mean to sound disrespectful either but....No!!! Banana, sexual activity is not a choice. I did not choose, asked or begged to be gay. I was born like that. Just like I was born with dark hair and light eyes, light skinned and tall. Regarding arranged marriages and children being sold into marriage to hetero males read my post again.
From: United States
God is pro- everything. He is pro-abortion, he is pro-gay, he is pro-ETC. Some men on the other hand are the one's that discriminate and want to press upon other that it's their way or the road to hell.
Written by: Bailarin , 24 Apr 2009 11:10 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Snoopy , would you like to back up your claims as to who and what God is and what He believes in His word....? If you cant , you are in danger of grossly misrepresenting the Almighty with your ignorance .....
Written by: Banana, 24 Apr 2009 6:20 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Snoopy3k--name specific countries, what kind of governments they have, political climates, religions, etc. to back up your statements and I will understand your post. Also, a quick google of Saudi Arabia and the US (polygamists) should clear up any misunderstanding of my comments.
Also, I certainly believe you when you say you were born with certain feelings. You mentioned "activity" as not being a choice. In English the word activity is defined as being "characterized by action rather than by contemplation or speculation" (Merriam-Webster) or a "specified pursuit in which a person partakes" (Farlex). In othewords, using the words "sexual activity" denotes a voluntary action--not involuntary unless you were raped. Bailarin also explained this concept very well including examples (I mentioned one as well regarding pedophiles and can give more) .
Hope also that you don't mind my asking as I'm truly curious. . .where did you attend school--DR, US, abroad?
Written by: Banana, 24 Apr 2009 6:40 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Also curious like Bailarin about your statements on God. I'm very interested to know where you formed your understanding that God is "pro-everything"? Can you state the logic--I'm speaking about facts and critical thinking and not stating unbased opinions or speaking about personal feelings.
Aside from the logic, or as part of the logic, what authority do you base it on? If God's, from where (haven't read that in the scriptures that I know of )? If not, some prophet maybe? If yours, how, where, what & why?
I'm open for discussion. As I said earlier-I hope we can all be more introspective, considerate, and seek for truth in laws of man, nature and God rather than what we feel is our right or what makes us feel "good." For each word I type I have plenty of facts, history and study to back it up, but no space. I try not to insert my opionion in what I say as there is no bearing or persusion on others or the law. If you can agree to those terms of rhetoric let's continue.
Written by: razon, 24 Apr 2009 9:26 PM
From: United States, Pensacola, Florida
Some animals engage in homosexuality due to environmental constrains and instinctual reactivity. Most animals don't have these constrains. Nature gave humans the ability to control both environment and instincts.
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i thought we where going forward in a more liberal country and prosper better but no!
the church always messing around with things that have to do more with politics then there own beliefs.
legalize gay marriege and abortion ( with some restrcions offcourse ) for the sake of freedom, liberty and prosperity!!!
Remember anyones version of justice is for sale so if you have the money you can have anything done.
This is your belief - you got no proof either for your god or jesus - keep your belief to yourself - and I will not bother you,
then,
we who have a belief that says this is nonsense - can we please keep our belief without beeing bothered by your sort?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdVucvo-kDU
I suppose you have a brain, I suppose you believe you got it from your god - so far you have only given all of us here on DT evidence that you have been indoctrinated and have been reading all kind of stuff backing up your belief.
Don't you think you should start utilizing your brain to figure out yourself? According to your belief it would be a sin not to do so. Then start questioning all and everything and do not take everything else fed to you as proof of an existing god as a truth.
So now I'm sure the argument by homophobes will switch. At first it was, "Well, Animals don't engage in homosexuality. It's not natural to be gay" And now it will be, "Well, we don't want to act like animals. Especially perverted Dolphins."
Is homosexuality natural? Natural is a subjective, argumentative word to begin with. But from the point of view of the animal kingdom, homosexuality is very natural.
Normally I wouldn't post what I believe to be a copyrighted clip, this being National Geographic, however, I'm not sure anyone is objecting since this is YouTube and The National Geographic Channel could use some publicity. They're always trailing behind The Discovery Channel. If it gets removed and you can't see the video then that's why. This also has Asian subtitles. Maybe they don't show ki
Your concept about sexual orientation is very religious .In reality exist a full of contradictions between religion and society .In DR a very catholic country sexuality is liberal .Gay and lesbians is important community .The leitmotiv is also turism industry .Gay bars and clubs are the most lucrative in the caribean.Bisexuals also are not a schock.Now Homophobes are fighting against what they think is wrong or sins.Abortion is a right or a crime ?Contraception is still a good solution to avoid accidental pregnancy. Pope is against condom using and avortion but beg perdon and pay millions for pervert priests.God
All are about equally fanatic and equally stupid. Separation of Church and State is a fundamental necessity for a leader to rule harmoniously and reasonably.
By the way people , I speak from personal experience ,not from my @^# and I am very blessed and grateful that I let my son live ..
Please research the example of Saudi Arabia I cited before you comment. Also, the United States is dealing with "legal" marriages of minors and polygamists in their courts.
Again, sexual activity is a choice. I did not say that homosexuals don't truly have those feelings. . .yes, I know this argument could go on and on. If I have to I can again address why this isn't a "right." Hint: for starters--pedophiles feel it is a child's "right" to participate in sexual activity. If you think this isn't an issue on the horizon, you better do some more research.
Simply put: ACTIONS ARE NOT GROUNDS FOR RIGHTS. . . RIGHTS ARE BASED ONLY ON SOMETHING A PERSON CANNOT CHANGE--RACE, COLOR, GENDER, AGE, DISABILITY. People change their sexuality at will however they want and choose (please see Brittany's posts).
God is more loving and forgiving than most people have ever imagined. However, that doesn't mean he justifies what he has said is sin. My biggest fear both in law and religion is that people pick and choose what they want to believe and what they say is right. No society will ever survive very long, and no people will ever be happy on those grounds. It is not about doing what makes YOU happy--that is the biggest lie of our global culture. It is not "all about me"--not when there are almost 7 billion "me's." I hope that we can all be more introspective, considerate, and seek for truth in laws of man, nature and God rather than what we feel is our right or what makes us feel "good."
Gays can be sanctioned in any way they want. Laws no longer discriminate against their practicing what they want as consenting adults. If they want SUPPORT from the government particularly through tax exemptions, etc. those people need to reconsider the purpose of those benefits and how and whom they serve.On this note, what keeps a society and its government in place? Studies in Europe are showing a huge shift in the trajectory of their societies. A paradigm change w/ little thought of how.
Also, I certainly believe you when you say you were born with certain feelings. You mentioned "activity" as not being a choice. In English the word activity is defined as being "characterized by action rather than by contemplation or speculation" (Merriam-Webster) or a "specified pursuit in which a person partakes" (Farlex). In othewords, using the words "sexual activity" denotes a voluntary action--not involuntary unless you were raped. Bailarin also explained this concept very well including examples (I mentioned one as well regarding pedophiles and can give more) .
Hope also that you don't mind my asking as I'm truly curious. . .where did you attend school--DR, US, abroad?
Aside from the logic, or as part of the logic, what authority do you base it on? If God's, from where (haven't read that in the scriptures that I know of )? If not, some prophet maybe? If yours, how, where, what & why?
I'm open for discussion. As I said earlier-I hope we can all be more introspective, considerate, and seek for truth in laws of man, nature and God rather than what we feel is our right or what makes us feel "good." For each word I type I have plenty of facts, history and study to back it up, but no space. I try not to insert my opionion in what I say as there is no bearing or persusion on others or the law. If you can agree to those terms of rhetoric let's continue.