Santo
Domingo.– Four dead and seven persons wounded were the aftermath of a shooting incident that occurred after an
eviction order was served on land occupants in the Lisa community, in
Miches, on the Dominican north east coast.
According to the police authorities, the dead are Ozorio Nuñez (45), Gabriel Nuñez (35), Ceferino Peralta and
another person identified as Nene. The wounded were immediately taken to hospitals in Higuey and Nisibon.
The incident took place after the landowners arrived at the scene to serve an
eviction order after a sentence was handed down last week. The lands have been
under dispute for more than 20 years between the Nuñez family and the people
occupying the land.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Landowners arrived at the scene to serve an eviction order after a sentence was handed down last week.
Arrived with guns, or with the police with guns?
20 years?
Now shooting people?
Landowners my ass!
Shooters to Jail!!!
Written by: synapse, 8 Apr 2009 11:47 AM
From: United States
This is was you get when the Law sanctions squatters as legitimate claims in the DR
Wake Up DR! STOP giving squatters and fraudulent land claimers any rights and start dealing with forcible eviction and prosecution of trespassing laws that exist.
Who in their right mind would want to invest in raw land when the DR is 200 years behind the rest of the world in defending property ownership rights.
This serves as evidence of how things are really settled in the DR. It is the lawless WILD WEST!
From: Dominican Republic
Wow, how in the HELL was this disputed for 20 years? They either were or were not squatters, and if the landowners have a legitimate ownership, why does it take 20 years? Yes indeed, who in their right mind would want to invest in raw land in DR?
Written by: xwill7, 8 Apr 2009 12:04 PM
From: United States, Chicago
No land is worth dying over it
Written by: SALSOUL, 8 Apr 2009 12:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic, UNC-Chapel Hill
What in heaven's name is this world coming to? XWILL7, You are right with your comment.
Written by: xwill7, 8 Apr 2009 12:18 PM
From: United States, Chicago
I wonder who shot first?
Written by: Juango, 8 Apr 2009 12:29 PM
From: United States, far S. Florida (formerly Santo Domingo)
This case states it all in a nutshell....
RE Buyers Rules To Live By:
1. When buying undeveloped land, beware, as it may not be the seller who is the legal owner.
2. DO NOT BUY anything unless it is already completely built, Condos, Apts, Villas, Houses !
3. If the above happens to Dominicans, what would happen to foreigners in an equal dispute.
4. Most DR Lawyer, as in every country, are not ethical ! They have their own interest in mind.
5. Never buy land with "Squatters", tell the owner to remove them before any money is exchanged.
Do NOT break any of the above Rules... makes life easier for yourself...Dont trust Anyone !
Written by: SALSOUL, 8 Apr 2009 12:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic, UNC-Chapel Hill
I sometimes wonder if it is worth the trouble of purchasing a ticket, and visiting family. I went home for a few weeks and ran into the same-old-crime-ridden-infestation of neighborhood lynching, shooting, fighting...I was simply tired of the same crap [Las Palmas de Alma Rosa, Zona Oriental, Santo Domingo].
Written by: xwill7, 8 Apr 2009 12:41 PM
From: United States, Chicago
SALSOL,
Thats a hot area... You should expect those types of activities going on 24/7. Just try to spend less time around there. Visit the northern and central part of the island... Much calmer
Written by: SALSOUL, 8 Apr 2009 12:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic, UNC-Chapel Hill
XWILL7,
Cool. I'll certainly pay a visit to the northern and central areas. Hey, anywhere specific en la republica? I don't know much about the north or central part of the island. Thanks!
From: United States, Chicago - Future Dominican Resident
Hola. I am new to this forum so I don't know the rules. Just visited DR and want to learn about the country and its people.
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: xwill7, 8 Apr 2009 12:04 PM
From: United States, Chicago
No land is worth dying over it
- But it is sure worth killing over
From: Dominican Republic, Dando pela en las 5 esquinas
cabaretewill i agree with that!!!
several news outlets in DR already saying the land belong to el Instituto Agrario Dominicano (IAD)
This property is been in dispute for several decades but only until the last couple of years the conflict have reached a boiling point, all of this after the land was declared to be worth millions of pesos.
Written by: xwill7, 8 Apr 2009 2:24 PM
From: United States, Chicago
SALSOL,
go to Santiago, the people are great. San Jose de las matas has a nice hotel on the edge of the river that is pretty cool. Its called rio lindo la ventana. Puerto plata has some nice beaches but if you want a quiet beach, I always go to Samana...
From: United States
Until all government corruption is dealt with properly the DR will remain a poor choice for investment in real estate. Plenty of people will disagree and of course there are always people who do fine in their dealing but there are just too many who have problems.
The biggest problem is when a legal issue comes up and you find you have to pay extra to have the police and government officials even do do their jobs.
My family owns several homes and even with legal paperwork it has cost us several times to dispute ownership which upon presenting our paperwork should not have cost anything.
Until anyone's version of justice isn't for sale to the highest bidder I would never invest 1 peso in my own country.
Written by: xwill7, 8 Apr 2009 2:35 PM
From: United States, Chicago
Veronica,
I have alot of farm land in DR. It s a great investment. Sure you have these problems sometimes but you are not taxed like here in USA. There is room for improvement but you make it seem like DR is noo good. In DR you just have to be extra carefull and trust your own gut feelings...
Written by: DomVilla, 8 Apr 2009 3:01 PM
From: United States, Maryland
Everything in this life is vanity, any argue on life have a bad ending, DR you can't trust no one, I found not explanation if the judge order something Why the owner need to be present as a police or whatever, the point is police take money to make the law prevail.
Written by: xwill7, 8 Apr 2009 3:04 PM
From: United States, Chicago
Domvilla,
I disagree, there are some people en el cibao that you can trust. You are Dominican, are you saying that we should not trust you???
Written by: DomVilla, 8 Apr 2009 3:12 PM
From: United States, Maryland
You talking about trust , you need to be trained as I am tiger or tiguere to keep ahead or know what in somebody else mind.
Written by: xwill7, 8 Apr 2009 3:26 PM
From: United States, Chicago
You have to be one step ahead of the one trying to scam you
From: United States
xwill I should not have to rely on my gut feelings and always be on guard of someone trying to sell my property to someone else even though I have paperwork that says I own it. If there is a problem I should not have to pay the police and judges to do their jobs.
xwill sure the taxes are lower on property because the surrounding infrastructure is like a war zone in most of the country.
The only reason my family still owns property in the DR is because we were all born there.
All our family investments since being able to leave are mainly in the USA.
In the DR justice comes to the highest bidder. In a civilized free society this is not the case.
Written by: xwill7, 9 Apr 2009 2:07 PM
From: United States, Chicago
Veronica,
You should always be on guard when signing a contract, in DR, USA and any part of the world... You and your lawyer should triple check what you are signing. People also have been scamed in USA too. The bottom line is that DR is a great place to invest, there will always be risks when you invest in real estate...
Written by: xwill7, 9 Apr 2009 2:23 PM
From: United States, Chicago
Veronica,
It's people like you that sent us into this down period for the economy. People like you were simply signing what ever a crook banker and layer put in front of you, putting your money into investments that you did not do any research on. Have you not learned anything during this global crisis??? Wake up and smell the Dominican cofee!
From: United States, Bronx NY
The problem in DR is that anyone can move into your home or property and is able to try and claim it theirs which is ridiculous! The laws in DR do not protect property owners who spend time and money also the laws in DR are a joke. We will continue to see the same problem for over 50 years and it won't stop until the people and the government WAKE UP!
Written by: xwill7, 9 Apr 2009 4:58 PM
From: United States, Chicago
If you have a good lawyer with connections, you will be ok...
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Arrived with guns, or with the police with guns?
20 years?
Now shooting people?
Landowners my ass!
Shooters to Jail!!!
Wake Up DR! STOP giving squatters and fraudulent land claimers any rights and start dealing with forcible eviction and prosecution of trespassing laws that exist.
Who in their right mind would want to invest in raw land when the DR is 200 years behind the rest of the world in defending property ownership rights.
This serves as evidence of how things are really settled in the DR. It is the lawless WILD WEST!
RE Buyers Rules To Live By:
1. When buying undeveloped land, beware, as it may not be the seller who is the legal owner.
2. DO NOT BUY anything unless it is already completely built, Condos, Apts, Villas, Houses !
3. If the above happens to Dominicans, what would happen to foreigners in an equal dispute.
4. Most DR Lawyer, as in every country, are not ethical ! They have their own interest in mind.
5. Never buy land with "Squatters", tell the owner to remove them before any money is exchanged.
Do NOT break any of the above Rules... makes life easier for yourself...Dont trust Anyone !
Thats a hot area... You should expect those types of activities going on 24/7. Just try to spend less time around there. Visit the northern and central part of the island... Much calmer
Cool. I'll certainly pay a visit to the northern and central areas. Hey, anywhere specific en la republica? I don't know much about the north or central part of the island. Thanks!
From: United States, Chicago
No land is worth dying over it
- But it is sure worth killing over
several news outlets in DR already saying the land belong to el Instituto Agrario Dominicano (IAD)
This property is been in dispute for several decades but only until the last couple of years the conflict have reached a boiling point, all of this after the land was declared to be worth millions of pesos.
go to Santiago, the people are great. San Jose de las matas has a nice hotel on the edge of the river that is pretty cool. Its called rio lindo la ventana. Puerto plata has some nice beaches but if you want a quiet beach, I always go to Samana...
The biggest problem is when a legal issue comes up and you find you have to pay extra to have the police and government officials even do do their jobs.
My family owns several homes and even with legal paperwork it has cost us several times to dispute ownership which upon presenting our paperwork should not have cost anything.
Until anyone's version of justice isn't for sale to the highest bidder I would never invest 1 peso in my own country.
I have alot of farm land in DR. It s a great investment. Sure you have these problems sometimes but you are not taxed like here in USA. There is room for improvement but you make it seem like DR is noo good. In DR you just have to be extra carefull and trust your own gut feelings...
I disagree, there are some people en el cibao that you can trust. You are Dominican, are you saying that we should not trust you???
xwill sure the taxes are lower on property because the surrounding infrastructure is like a war zone in most of the country.
The only reason my family still owns property in the DR is because we were all born there.
All our family investments since being able to leave are mainly in the USA.
In the DR justice comes to the highest bidder. In a civilized free society this is not the case.
You should always be on guard when signing a contract, in DR, USA and any part of the world... You and your lawyer should triple check what you are signing. People also have been scamed in USA too. The bottom line is that DR is a great place to invest, there will always be risks when you invest in real estate...
It's people like you that sent us into this down period for the economy. People like you were simply signing what ever a crook banker and layer put in front of you, putting your money into investments that you did not do any research on. Have you not learned anything during this global crisis??? Wake up and smell the Dominican cofee!