"New documentary on Juan Bosch to premiere in Dominican Republic "

Good..maybe Leonel and the rest of the PLD echelon can watch it and remember who exactly Juan Bosch was and what it was that he stood for. Obviamente ellos se han olvidado.

I will need a bucket of popcorn for this one...

"Good..maybe Leonel and the rest of the PLD echelon can watch it and remember who exactly Juan Bosch was and what it was that he stood for."

Curling up on Fidel's lap!

"Curling up on Fidel's lap!"

I have to agree with you to a degree...his apparent cowardice was his undoing. Regardless, while the man governed no Dominicans were executed by orders of the state and civil rights were respected. Few Dominican heads of state can say as much. On top of that he had a concept for the state should be that was admirable.

Hola everybody. I just visited your country and want to learn more

What ever happen to our visionaries of a country run in a way where everyone would benefect....our poor island has been molested rape and violated so many times is amazing still floats on the sea...hopefully one day our country will be what our fourthfathers Duarte Sanchez and Mella envision....till then lets just do our bit to improved our society...........

Its about time, i hope they do not leave, anything out.

Sabio,
the only way that you can learn more is to keep making more trips to the island... just remember... never exchange USD from some guy on the streets. He will ripp you off so fast that by the time you finish counting he will be gone...

The less corrupt president(Bosch) and the most intelligent president(Balaguer)were both half Rican. I think Puerto Ricans have been more friend than enemy to Dominicans.

cyberdragon

You mean Balaguer the same guy that had Orlando Martinez killed and made Narcisaso disappear from planet earth. Now how smart was he would you mind explaining this to me because i'm confuse.

I posted a Forum about this documentary, link below …..

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....-frontera-imperial-Rene-Fortunato

"Yo aborrezco el ambiente en que me ha tocado nacer, pero aborrezco más a los intelectuales (con muy pocas excepciones) con quienes he tenido la mala suerte de codearme...” - Joaquin Balaquer


Balaguer wrote these lines as a young man. They are from his "Tebaida Lirica". In his own words, he hated intellectuals and he hated where he was born. Desde de joven el hacido un baboso! That's the myth that he always wanted cultivated. That he was an intellectual of the highest sort. Nothing can be further from the truth. He obviously envied such people. And he hated the people he stemmed from. He was a frustrated dirtbag that used his ass kissing skills to gain the power and prestige he so coveted.

Written by: cibaeño75, 8 Apr 2009 12:29 PM
From: United States, New York City
"Curling up on Fidel's lap!"

I have to agree with you to a degree...his apparent cowardice was his undoing. Regardless, while the man governed no Dominicans were executed by orders of the state and civil rights were respected. Few Dominican heads of state can say as much.

SAD to say but Bosch was weak!!!! He should have at least pulled out of the 66 election.. he know they where going to steal it.

Bosch should've snuck back into the country as soon as the people hit the street in 65. Bottom f**king line.

If Leonel would just have a little bit of Trujillo in him i say he would make the best president we had and possibly the best is latin america but thats not him.

It wasn't that easy, it was hard for Col. Hernandez to sneak back in. Col. Hernandez had to take a U.S. Military plane back in. That is why when he tried to retake the Palace the United States Military "Marine Corps" ordered a sniper to shoot him the back.

Written by: belly51, 8 Apr 2009 6:55 PM
From: United States, Houston, Texas
If Leonel would just have a little bit of Trujillo in him i say he would make the best president we had and possibly the best is latin america but thats not him.

Two different people, LF is good for nothing. He not even good to look at.
Trujillo might have been a tyrant but at least he is not this country selling fag named Leonel...
Whom from what i have heard from several different sources that his 1st wife cought him in bed with a man...

Of course it wasn't easy. But Fernandez made it happen and so should've Bosch.

We just a need a modern day Trujillo that is forward thinking and moving the country into the 21st Century for good.

Joaquin Balaguer was born in Navarrete, Santiago. How is he Puerto Rican LOL..... I know many on this thread hate Balaguer, but it's so pathetic to change a persons nationality because of pure and ignorant blind hate.

What is the difference between Juan borsch and Salvador Allende? Allende ended his life when he knew the utopia like Cuba will not come to Chile. Borsch on the other hand dragged his misery all the way until his natural death.

Question to anyone if Bosch would of taken power, how would he change the D.R. today. Would it be a more prosperous nation? Having a leftist or socialist vantage point wouldn't make a difference in the real world i believe, especially with the U.S. having so much influence in the region. Let's look at Cuba for example a socialist nation for over 50 years, things haven't change for the masses, where most live in poverty and a few including Castro's cabinet live in the lap of luxury. Let's be realistic Bosch's revolution would of not make a real difference to the status quo.

Gizmo, you're still laboring under that false piece of propaganda that Bosch was a commie during his presidency, which is false. Even the State Department at the time knew as much. The NYT had an editorial at the time that essentially compared him to a Kennedy liberal. That he was radicalized afterwards is certainly the case but that wasn't the situation when he was in power. How would the republic be better? Well,for one thing maybe justive wouldn't be a joke, maybe all those that died in the late 60s and 70s didn't have to die. I don't have a crystal ball but I'm certain that things would've been better than what we got instead, twelve years of dictatorship.

Cibaeño75, Why did Bosch get assistance from Cuba through the revolutionaries? Something that will affirm his left leaning stance. I truly believe that the country somehow would of been isolated economically if Bosch would of remained in power, but his goverment was finally overthrown. The key here is the development and influence the U.S. had gained in the region. Since the Monroe Doctrine was implemented, and the Industrial Revolution had already made inroads. The sphere of U.S. intervention in the region, and overall economic power made it hard for any goverments to ally themselves to communist Cuba, and have a positive outcome. The Cuban revolution took a while to develop, and in the length of time that it took it was embraced by the masses, so it was successful. Something that did not take place in the Dominican Republic under different circumstances, many did not want to partake in a communist regime.

"Cibaeño75, Why did Bosch get assistance from Cuba through the revolutionaries?

What assistance are you referring to?

Cibaeño75, Bosch received assistance in Cuba through a Dominican batallion trained in Cuba, remember the failed landing on Cayo Confites. Alberto Caamaño took over after Juan Bosch was ousted from power, they were of the same party.

He was a GREAT MAN!
But how many times or versions /volumes/parts of the same thing do you people have to remake, its like a scratched record already. Stop making money on his life people...... GIVE IT UP........... He only lived once!

"Cibaeño75, Bosch received assistance in Cuba through a Dominican batallion trained in Cuba, remember the failed landing on Cayo Confites. Alberto Caamaño took over after Juan Bosch was ousted from power, they were of the same party. "

Was this during or after his presidency?

Cibaeño75, Your asking many questions, Cayo Confites was a plot to remove Rafael Leonidas Trujillo from power. Sponsored by Juan Bosch, and yes Bosch was left leaning. http://cuban-exile.com/doc_151-175/doc0156.html

"Cibaeño75, Your asking many questions, Cayo Confites was a plot to remove Rafael Leonidas Trujillo from power. Sponsored by Juan Bosch, and yes Bosch was left leaning"

Cayo Confites was not a communist expedition. It occured in 1947, WELL before the cuban revolution and was not influenced by it in any shape or form and it was partly financed by Dominican oligarchs in exile, hardly the type of people one would associate with movements stemming from the left. Indeed Juan Bosch was involved in it, demonstrative of his commitment to end the horrible dictatorship his country was then under. Those people who tried to invade in 47 are considered heroes of the fatherland.

"Cibaeño75, Your asking many questions,"

One should always ask questions gizmo, unless of course if they feel that they have all the answers.

Cibaeño75, The truth is Juan Bosch would of not made a dent or radical change in the Dominican Republic if he had stayed in power. I believe that his left leaning pro-communist and close alliance to Fidel Castro would just bring to morph another Cuba, two losing ends to no avail. That's my personal opinion and an opinion shared by many Dominicans.

"That's my personal opinion and an opinion shared by many Dominicans. "

And I respect your opinion and that of other Dominicans but I sincerely feel that if you gave the whole situation a little more scrutiny you might see things differently. Do research and find out what the international and specifically the American press was saying about Bosch at the time. Look at State Department documents that refer to the person of Juan Bosch. Read Juan Bosch's writings in the period that lead up to his presidency and study his movements in exile. Keep in mind also the Bosch was the democratically elected leader of the Dominican people by an overwhelming margin. And also study the groups that mobilized against Bosch and where they stood during the Trujillo discatorship.

Some in this forum are missing the History and I will go and see the film and see if they too missed the History. The main reasons as to the " WHY " of Mr. Bosch downfall was mainly opposing the U.S. in telling the Dominican government at what Prices they will purchased their goods. One of the first challenge was that Mr. Bosch raised the price of Sugar for exportation. That his was a left wing that sought to normalized relations with another government such as Cuba, was not a U.S. affair to intervene but since the U.S. wants to be the one to determine a countrie's future as to a U.S. WILL, the Dominican Republic found itself in conflicts with U.S. interests. Even today the D.R. still vows to the WILLS of the U.S. and there are Dominicans that love that.

Jaun Bosch was a coward. In 1965 he could have made a difference in the outcome of the revolucion; but he never returned. He claimed that he was blocked by the "Yankees" and could not make to D. R. Bull......S. He was just afraid.

Written by: Gizmo, 9 Apr 2009 12:20 PM
From: United States
Cibaeño75, The truth is Juan Bosch would of not made a dent or radical change in the Dominican Republic if he had stayed in power. I believe that his left leaning pro-communist and close alliance to Fidel Castro would just bring to morph another Cuba, two losing ends to no avail. That's my personal opinion and an opinion shared by many Dominicans.

Whom have you been talking to Gizmo, ???Are you dominican?
If you think that removing Bosch was a good thing then i guess you do not believe democracy...

During the government of the PLD, there has been an obvious intention to promote Juan Bosch as one of our great leaders. The have, with taxpayer money, published his books, promoted websites conferences, etc. , only with the purpose in mind to have someone in their Party to look after. Juan Bosch did have a lot of political knowledge, at least academically, but he was not match for Joaquin Balaguer in the political arena for example,because he lacked the ability to deal with people. In another aspect, have you ever read about Juan Bosch risking his life to do anything for his country? Yeah! He came in the 1947 invasion, but so came together with some of the oligarchs of our country that were also opposed to Trujillo. He knew he was safe that way. In fact he lived many years after that while many were killed.

Wllmo,
I strongly disagree, Balaguer never won an election. He was installed the second time by the Americans in 1966.
The election was a shame, after his election thousands of innocent people where killed.
Demonstrations where ended by the machine gun fire of one of his police officers.
All this from his orders and he taking orders from the CIA…

I posted a Forum about this documentary, link below …..

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....-frontera-imperial-Rene-Fortunato