DAJABON, Dominican Republic.- The violence of recent between Dominicans and Haitians took a turn for the worse on Friday, when Haitian nationals stabbed a farmer to death in northern Espaillat province, while Army soldiers shot and injured a citizen from that country during violent protests after Environment Ministry rangers destroyed crops planted in a protected area in Dominican territory near.
The Haitians torched tires at the villages Tirolí and Guayajayuco, blocking the border road which links Dajabón province with the country’s southwest, said Environment official Ana Carrasco.
She said it’s the fourth time the Haitians have been evicted from the protected zone for planting crops in Dominican territory, and destroying the forests.
Timon Claude Salcimé, a Haitian who identified himself as the spokesman of the protesters said the’ll boycott the binational market held Saturdays in Tirolí.
He said they don’t have land to work in his country and crossed into Dominican territory, where they took over abandoned fields to plant crops for their families’ subsistence, adding that the Haitian and Dominican governments should clarify the boundaries, because he was told the area is on the Haitian side.
The debris was removed from the road by Army and Cesfront soldiers, who resisted provocation despite being attacked by the Haitians with machetes and stones.
Haitians arrested for Moca death
Three Haitian nationals attacked with machetes killing Teofilo Antonio Martinez, 55, in his farm located in La Penda, near the community Villa Trina, Municipal District Jose Contreras. The fatal wounds were in different parts of his body, said the Espaillat province Coroner’s Office.
The alleged killers were identified as Yensi Apolinar, arrested in Santiago when he was about to board a bust headed to Dajabón; Carlos Sami, arrested in the La Vega village El Mogote, whereas Jean Batiste is a fugitive.
The Police said theft was the motive of the killers, who reportedly worked in the victim’s farm for several months, and that agents comb the Northern Mountain Range after Haitian who fled.
The tragedy has shocked the people of La Penda and the area’s towns, where Martinez was known as a man of respect in those communities.
Written by: Bailarin 
, 29 May 2009 12:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Well ???
Written by: generoso, 29 May 2009 12:40 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya La Bella
Forgot? To mentioned that the Dominican land owner was dismembered and decapitated both.
This is more of the Haitian MO, "kopuet tet" genetic custom, that is polluting our nation.
Written by: xwill7, 29 May 2009 12:57 PM
From: United States, Chicago
This is sad... Build the border wall!!! Then there will be no confusion on land
Written by: josean, 29 May 2009 1:00 PM
From: United States
If Lie-onel Fernandez the "Latin American Henry Kissinger", the most intelligent Dominican that has ever been born, can resolve the Colombian-Venezuelan dispute between Narco Uribe and Mr. Chavez, why hasn't he resolved these local border issues?
From: United States, New York City
"He said they don’t have land to work in his country and crossed into Dominican territory, where they took over abandoned fields to plant crops for their families’ subsistence, adding that the Haitian and Dominican governments should clarify the boundaries, because he was told the area is on the Haitian side."
So then how on God's green earth was this Salcime' able to ascertain if they had crossed into Dominican territory if the border was supposedly nebulous to them?
Written by: Bailarin , 29 May 2009 1:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Josean this is obviously not an issue or a priority for Leonel and company or it would be resolved . Clearly there is huge incentives in return for leaving the door open as well as lending a hand to Slick Willy and the village maker in thier capitalistic attempts to re- unify the island in the name of fighting poverty.
From: United States, New York City
"Josean this is obviously not an issue or a priority for Leonel and company or it would be resolved . Clearly there is huge incentives in return for leaving the door open as well as lending a hand to Slick Willy and the village maker in thier capitalistic attempts to re- unify the island in the name of fighting poverty. "
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. There's definitely a ring of truth to your post.
Written by: ny4life, 29 May 2009 1:49 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
Haitians are saying to define the border??? Isn't it clear when we have CESFRONT officers where DR starts and Haiti ends?????? Historically speaking Haitians, don't see a border on the island there goal is to unite the island and mix with Dominicans so we will be extinct. It always has been and always will be. They don't respect our side of the island and continue to destroy our natural resources like they do in Haiti. I say out with all illegal Haitians!!!!
Written by: oupala07 , 29 May 2009 1:56 PM
From: Canada
1-There wouldn't be such misunderstanding if the knucklehead politicians back home were good enough in topology and if they were competent enough to address the problem. Our peasants are illeterate, they don't know how to use a GPS satellite tracker and they do not know a damn' thing about geography and international rights. They are left with the same mentality and brain as far as the time where they were slaves.
If our elite and politicians were nation builders and policy makers, they would have mark ed the border and educated the peasants on where its marks are located. Being given they don't know anything else than "coupe tèt boule kay" = " cut the head and burn the house," they will always have the tendency to solve their quarrel with any foe with their machete.
What is sad is that the Dominicans will take this as a pretext to hunt them down and kill them in their territory.
So the fault is from neither the haitians peasants nor the Dominicans, but our own government.
From: United States, New York City
"What is sad is that the Dominicans will take this as a pretext to hunt them down and kill them in their territory."
You're right in that this has the potential to bring more violence. But let me ask you, what recourse should the Dominican state take to address this problem? It obviously cannot be left as is.
Written by: TN1804 , 29 May 2009 2:00 PM
From: Canada, Montreal
A war will start soon
if we look ...
Since The Carlos Nerilus and the Haitian episode, every week we listen about people been killing. 2 weeks ago, 3 haitians were been mutilated by dominicans after a work Day. 2 days ago, Dominicans try to burn house with PREGNANT HAITIAN WOMENS after a teenager presume that a haitian try to rapped her.
Last week haitian and dominican goverment had dirty talks so...
From: United States
oupala, today oula. Glad !
See what I have been saying for so long:The Dominican lands can not feed both Haitians and Dominicans. We will continue to have conflicts until Haiti grows up and becomes an adult and mature nation
Written by: Trujillo, 29 May 2009 2:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I'll keep saying it, our protected areas are basically abandoned. These areas need a permanent presence of the authorities to protect them, and serious guards too not some people that would sell out.
Written by: oupala07 , 29 May 2009 2:07 PM
From: Canada
Besides, it the Dominicans are right about the story (I have some reservation on that, because a stronger nation will always be keen to grab some territory from a weaker one), we just have to blame ourselves, because who are cutting the trees all over our country? Isn't it them? So if they do not have land to plant their crops, they just have to find a way to stop cutting the remaining trees and to reforest our land. You cross over a territory where you are not welcome, then you are asking for trouble and I am not going to defend you on that case.
I know that the Dominicans overall state of mind about us, but give them credit. They are taking us as example and they are doing precisely the contrary of what we are doing to our country.
So, if they are kicking our ass, we must look why before stricking back.
I will never tolerate racist attacks on our people, however, if they don't behave in a rightfully way, they must know better, because I am tired to defend bozos with no honor.
Written by: Trujillo, 29 May 2009 2:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by:Bailarin, 29 May 2009 1:40 PMFrom:Dominican Republic
"Josean this is obviously not an issue or a priority for Leonel and company or it would be resolved . Clearly there is huge incentives in return for leaving the door open as well as lending a hand to Slick Willy and the village maker in thier capitalistic attempts to re- unify the island in the name of fighting poverty."
Yes, but you're wrong about the "capitalistic" part.
Written by: Trujillo, 29 May 2009 2:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Corruption is the biggest enemy of Haiti and the DR too.
Written by: Bailarin , 29 May 2009 2:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic
True , the war drums are beating as Slick Willy is teaching Leonel how to play taps on the saxaphone . The powers that be are licking thier chops and looking for thier 9-11 excuse to join the dance and restore order once the mangu hits the fan , but this time they can shove the blame on the uncivilized natives that couldn't restrain themselves when thier neighbors were caught lifting one too many pineapples off thier window cells .
Written by: Bailarin , 29 May 2009 2:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Your so right Trujillo , that would be very unpatriotic of the Clintons and a true misrepresentation of what America has come to stand for . Just ask the Lewinsky gal..
Written by: oupala07 , 29 May 2009 2:23 PM
From: Canada
cibaeño75,
I have already, and in several occasions described what the two governments should do in order to solve the border problems, and the best is to have a joint border patrol task force that will make sure that the border is tight close against any illegal activities. If such task force was in service, and if there would be serious and honest collaboration between the two, there would be no such dramas. However, my friend we must aknowledge that the disdainful stance of your government toward us won't allow such close partnership. And I am very afraid that the foreign powers, that are pulling the strings in the shadow, will let both sides get into war because they think that you the dominicans will be the victors.
It will be a sure way for them to unite the island and to subdue us the haitians and to throw us in a state of second class citizens in our own country the same way Boyer did to you in the 19th century. If that is their game plan, it won't succeed.
Written by: oupala07 , 29 May 2009 2:32 PM
From: Canada
Why it won't? Because actually the Haitians are divided and poors. If it is the truth that you can walk your way in Port-au-Prince, however, you losts thereafter will be so tremendous that you'll have no other choice than to retreat the same way the Americans have retreated from Vietnam and the same way they are retreating from Irak and the same way they will retreat from Afghanistan.
My friend, I am not someone who is interested in local area politics. My vision is what is coming upon us and it is a Great war between the remnant of the ex Soviet Union and the NATO. What will happen to my people after that war will be won by a side or the other is what matter to me. In fact, you the dominicans are the least of my worries, because, as I said, if you can walk your way in our Capital city tommorow, you won't be able to stay for long, and you know it.
My point is that, if we do not sit down together and take care of this island our Indians, Spanish, French and Africans forfathers...
Written by: xwill7, 29 May 2009 2:32 PM
From: United States, Chicago
send the fedex trucks back
From: United States, New York City
"I am very afraid that the foreign powers, that are pulling the strings in the shadow, will let both sides get into war because they think that you the dominicans will be the victors.
It will be a sure way for them to unite the island and to subdue us the haitians and to throw us in a state of second class citizens in our own country the same way Boyer did to you in the 19th century. If that is their game plan, it won't succeed."
I've come to the same conclusion that you just laid out. Wow. It's not improbable AT ALL.
Written by: oupala07 , 29 May 2009 2:38 PM
From: Canada
have left us as heritage, we are all doomed. We might find ourselves in a few decades under Russian or Chinese rules. I know that being under foreign rules in not a problem for you because, in a certain fashion, and you'll excuse my bluntness, your sense of patriotism is uniquely vectored toward us the Haitians who are no threat to you in any way. You'll have no trouble living under foreign boots due to the fact you use to call them yourselves. We haitians, and you know have been targetted by the Europeans and the Americans for centuries because of what we have done to them, and they won't rest until we are either destroyed or reconquered, however, they are due for a very long dream, if they think they can retake what's ours now.
Written by: Lautaro, 29 May 2009 2:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
What we have to ask ourselves is no longer the ifs or the hows of the matter, but when will things finally get to the worst case scenario. And all the signs point out to this happening sooner rather than later, cuz' our authorities have been unable, unwilling (or both) to stop the smugglers and business consortiums that are making a fast buck out of the haitian inmigrant while sustaining a contrary discourse at the same time.
From: United States, Mobile, Alabama
Just like a fire It has no bias. All must burn for new growth to bring fruitage. If Our Dominican government feels there is no need to precisely and swiftly deal with this unfortunate situation Our Haitian neighbor is going to present itself right at Our governments door. We are speaking of rural areas that the government inconsistently monitors. The concern is what brings in revenue not what the country men & women consider a healthy environment. If the immediate affect went and hit the governments revenue there would not be one haitian soul en La Republica Dominicana. Luckily for Haitians we are not a communist country. We would then have museums representing an extinct race and the HISTORY CHANNEL taking us back with circa info before our very births. This is not Hatred for anyone. This is simply a brutally honest statement as to my problem with the behavior of individuals that want to be respected as Human beings but don't want to do vice-versa. ADELANTE LA PATRIA
From: United States, New York City
"I know that being under foreign rules in not a problem for you because, in a certain fashion, and you'll excuse my bluntness, your sense of patriotism is uniquely vectored toward us the Haitians who are no threat to you in any way. "
I don't think you understand the Dominican mind very well. Our love of country has little to do with the disdain that SOME have for Haiti.
Written by: Bailarin , 29 May 2009 2:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic
It may be a little paranoia O . The population of North Miami is about 51% Haitian and they have some very powerful voices in the air. As I have said before, Every country wants to have an old dog under the kitchen table to kick when there is not enough bread on the dish , but truthfully , it does seem that when its the Haitians turn to kick the dog , nothing but thier shoe falls off .
From: Dominican Republic
I love it! worse is better now B)
Written by: oupala07 , 29 May 2009 3:24 PM
From: Canada
Praise for you Lautaro,
This is the kind of language we must speak in order to send a strong signal to both governments. There is no doubt that the contemporary Dominican is a proud and a patriotic one. However, you have to undestand that your survival is tightly link to ours : Do you know in a few decades where our two people will find themselves? Neither you and I know for sure.
However, I've been following the world geopolitics since the fall of the Soviet Union, and I have realized that the cold war has never been over : it has simply been stopped by a truce.
NATO, which should have been dismantled, is still expanding toward the ex Soviet Union borders and it is slowly but surely encercling the Russians by incorporating former Soviet states into its ranks. The Russians have just responded by creating another alliance in central asia, and if you visit the Pravda.ru website, you'll find out that they are gearing for war against the West.
Written by: Lautaro, 29 May 2009 3:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
One only have to see last year's Russia-Georgia conflict to realize this sad but bitter reality, mon ami. The end of history is just a tall tale by Fukuyama and co. to lure us into complacency.
Written by: oupala07 , 29 May 2009 3:32 PM
From: Canada
We as weaker nations, will not be asked our opinion and permission when the United States and Europe will find themselves, once again, in the event horizon of that uncoming black hole.
When that war will be over, and whoever will win it, will tend to shut down all velleity of nationalism in us, and will incorporate every single caribbean state into their empire. Is that what you want? Would your people be that patriotic to resist and say no, or would they forgo their freedom and let themeselves be engulfed?
By weakening ourselves economically, socially and militarily, the two nations that are sharing this island are due to be either just little vassal states or simply other provinces or department of the Great upcoming North American Union.
Written by: Lautaro, 29 May 2009 3:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Have you seen Zeitgeist? If not, then I recommend you to look for it at the first chance, cuz' it tells all the maneuvers that these power brokers have been doing in excruciating detail (including the two world wars, Vietnam, 9-11 and the militarization that came after it).
Written by: oupala07 , 29 May 2009 4:14 PM
From: Canada
No, but I am dozens of documentories to help me find my way around the pile of lies and deceit those monsters are throwing at us.
Written by: Lautaro, 29 May 2009 4:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I can't help but think about the phrase once uttered by John Adams, the 2nd US president, in which he said that: "If tyranny and oppression are going to appear on this country, they will come under the guise of fighting a foreign enemy". Just food for thought.
From: United States, Brooklyn
We should not led the Haitians farm in these protected lands, because even if we were to allow these lands to be farmed, they should do so by our own farmers and citizens... It is no concern of ours that haitians can't farm in their own country!
Written by: ateo1992 , 29 May 2009 5:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Haitians are very salvage
Written by: oupala07 , 29 May 2009 5:10 PM
From: Canada
CarlosFranco,
You should stop the rethoric, I know that my people are ugly, blacks and underdeveloped in your eyes, that does not make them nevertheless human being that have been shamelessly by rotten politicians and intellectuals from both sides of the island. There is nothing I'd like more to see you getting rid of our haitian population, however, by doing so and if you are not selective, you risk to empty your country too. Unless you just want to get rid of the negroes and keep the would be whites.
War between our two nations won't be profitable for nobody. I remember before the start of the second Gulf war, that the French President François Mitterand has told that idiot of George Bush that it was no more time for war but for business. He told him that "we can buy the world instead of trying to conquer it."
Don't you think if that fool had listen to him the world would be in a deep recession now?
Written by: oupala07 , 29 May 2009 5:16 PM
From: Canada
You have the money and the know how, what are you afraid of you the Dominicans? If I were you the Dominicans, I'd would nurtured the Haitian government into having the prospection bids for minerals that more than abundant in Haiti. Besides, on most of the infrastructure works that should be done in Haiti, you should be the front runners.
Sabre rattling and hatred won't lead you nowhere, don't listen to the fascists in your midst and the foreign powers to antagonize the haitian people, because if you piss us off, we might turn to be your enemy for ever, for actually, as you can realize it, a more than a big chunk of our population still like you. So, don't do anything foolish because we won't tolerate another genocide.
From: Haiti
Stop the violence! If what I have read is true, I can only blame the Haitians for this. Our folks need to use some common sense. Go to a non-protective area to do your farming. You have to abide by the rules even if that land was your own. I understand that people do dumb things when they are panic. No one in the right mind would go on their neighbor's land to do any sort of farming without permission. The Haitian authorities and the community leaders in that town need to talk to those folks.
Written by: oupala07 , 29 May 2009 6:04 PM
From: Canada
"If tyranny and oppression are going to appear on this country, they will come under the guise of fighting a foreign enemy". Just food for thought."
You can't more right Laut, and when we take a look at what is happening in the world now and all the fallacious rethoric boldly thrown in our face, you can't keep yourself from saying that John Adams was not right.
And unfortunately, it's seems that we have a lot of people in the whole world whose prophetical words aren't related to. I guess that it is up to the educated elite from both sides to try to diffuse that mine on which we all risk to be blown off. by
Written by: oupala07 , 29 May 2009 6:07 PM
From: Canada
read instead : "And unfortunately, it's seems that we have a lot of people in the whole world whose prophetical words are related to."
From: United States, Brooklyn
Oupala07... you talk too much and not about the subject
haitian4life... You've pointed the source of the problem, unlike Oupala, and realize who is
truly in violation of the law.
From: United States
Helloooooooooooooooooooooo !
Helloooooooooooooooooooooo !
Helloooooooooooooooooooooo !
Remember mother's day !
Can anybody help me ?
I do not feel well, I suffer from DHHM ( D ominicans H aitians H ablando M ierda
From: United States
DHTC ( D ominicans H aitians T alking C rap)
Written by: oupala07 , 29 May 2009 6:56 PM
From: Canada
etiennc01,
You remind me a school boy that has been rejected by his friends because they don't agree with the way he sees things. In your case, in order for the conversation to be productive, it should keep on being based on trading insults and hatred. No, my friend, honest and civilized people know when to reach out. That does not make them the best buddies in the world, but they know that an honest enemy is far more better than a dishonest and crapulous friend.
See what I mean?
The Dominicans and the Haitians are destined to become one nation one way or the other. It's how that marriage will be celebrated and that union will be performed that will count. Do you want the husband to rape and beat the bride or do you want him to offer her flowers and take her to the best honeymoon trip both of them have ever enjoyed.
Once again, we haitians, won't tolerate another genocide. That's your problem if you seem not to understand that.
Written by: Belly, 29 May 2009 7:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Francisco and Houston,Texas
All these cases are going to keep coming up until authorities take care of the problem. Sad to say but that's the reality we are facing now. Haiti and DR will have to work this out the legal way before it gets out of hands.
Written by: oupala07 , 29 May 2009 7:47 PM
From: Canada
Carlosfranco,
We are in a forum where there are several attendants. If you say that I talk too much and that I am off track with the subject, you are mistaken. In fact, if I found myself in good term with my ex foe lautaro, it is because he has read my input on the matter. Besides, what you call "talk too much and off the subject," is a kind of parntheses we have opened on the side in order to talk about the geopolitics related to what is happening in our island now. If you don't understand a thing about it, just raise your hand and it will be a pleasure for either one of us to fit you in.
No offfense intended from me, and none taken from you.
From: United States Virgin Islands
All the haitians should return home
built a wall
cut all ties - diplomatic and economic
take time-out for a few decades with no contact , only way to prevent something very very ugly.
ANOTHER GENOCIDE IS COMING!
Written by: , 29 May 2009 10:45 PM
From:
truthbetold,
I agree with you. The Haitian Government need to reinstate the Haitian Army, bring all the Haitians from the DR back and have(employ) them build a wall on the Haitian border.
From: United States
truthbetold,
I agree with you. The Haitian Government need to reinstate the Haitian Army, bring all the Haitians from the DR back and have(employ) them build a wall on the Haitian border.
From: United States
oupala
I do agree with you. we should sit down and air our differences.
Haitians have been sitting down to air their diffenrecsces and seek satisfying solutions for 200 years .
They have all decided that they should destroy Haiti and so they did , and they did a damn good job.
Written by: ateo1992 , 29 May 2009 11:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
PROUDTOBEHAITIAN,
sadly thats far from happening :/
From: United States, Bella Vista,Santiago
letroudeballeGeneroso,your not the only one getting sick of this s...., i have given haitians the benefit of the doubt many times but these ppl continue to cross the line. We need to end this once and for all.
Written by: Amber, 30 May 2009 12:16 AM
From: United States
Oh boy, tempers are flaring up again. I personally don't like to resolve problems with violence, but I think that Dominicans should band together and march by the thousands all the way to the presidential palace, carrying "pancartas" expressing how fed up they are with the Haitian situation in the D.R. and that they demand that measures and actions be taken immediately to return the D.R. to its rightful people
From: Haiti
Folks, just ignore letroukk!
Written by: oupala07 , 30 May 2009 3:19 AM
From: Canada
Seriously guys, I am talking with the pea soup brains here. Do you think that the world will stand by and let another Rwanda happen in the island? And even if the white dominated world closes its eyes the same way it is closing them on our actual misery, do you think that our more than a million strong Diaspora citizen will just stay away and watch you massacre hundreds of thousands of our folks?
I think some hateros need a wake up call?
Keep talking shit about genocide, because we are not pissed enough. However, I warn you time and time again that if you push us to the brink and make us understand that we have nothing more to lose, we might as well come to die in your face, and you know that we can, for you just have to watch how our peasants are reacting in your country. If the nearly ten millions of us turned the same way, who's going to save you from our wrath? Your ridicule and under equiped army? Your cowards hatemongers? or the Haitians that are already on your soil?
Written by: oupala07 , 30 May 2009 3:28 AM
From: Canada
I think our next president who will eventually replace preval is going to be elected on the condition to close the border and to repatriate our citizens from your soil. Then we'll see after a few years if you are going to keep talking the same garbage speech. In fact, the reason why some of you do not want to wisen up is because they are not experiencing economic hardship enough.
Just give us two more years and then we will fix the problem.
We are about to raise the minimum wages to 5 dollars a day, and I think it will be a good incentives to have our people back to our side of the island, I hope that yours won't follow them. Then, we are going to actively campaigning in order to either have the border shut down or to force your government to trade fairly with us.
So, no need to bark while the caravan is passing, we are waiting for you after it finishes to pass. And do not say afterward that we did not warn you.
Written by: oupala07 , 30 May 2009 3:45 AM
From: Canada
However, I am pretty sure and certain that there are a lot of good and civilized citizens among you who have seen the light and who won't give us the opportunity to turn our back on them. For their sake we will be patient and condescending. I personally, have nothing to gain in a confrontation between the two nations, for war has never been profitable to no one.
I will always keep the channel opened for the well intended cousins and shut for the monkeys in human clothes.
Fascism and Nazism are outdated ideologies, however, they are still being used by experts and mass manipulators for their own advantage and mesquine interests. That is the reason why I won't ever have any personal grudge against the Dominican people, but I'll be ready to shoot the bastards that are perverting their brains.
Written by: oupala07 , 30 May 2009 3:56 AM
From: Canada
Most of your population can't comprehend that a lot of their citizens have been recruited by racists foreigners, who are controlling their socio economic life, and are using them in order to propagate their Nazilike tactics in order to strenghten their grip on them and their country. And if they were as smart and educated as a Lautaro, they would have hunt down, catch and kick those bastards out of their country.
Fernandez your president is not a bad guy, however, like most of our presidents, he is the hostage of a militaro/economic elite oligarchy which is hiding its corrupt and criminal activities by controlling tightly the information and, by the same token, the mind of the Dominican people. They make them believe that their country are a developped one while it is not, they make them believe that the haitians are scums and criminals while they are not. Why because they know that, in spite of a seemingly fast pace growth, there is still a lot of socio economic problem..
Written by: oupala07 , 30 May 2009 4:07 AM
From: Canada
facing your country. They do not want the people to take them into account for the huge disparity that exist between black and colored Dominicans. They do not want the people to take them into account for all the embeszelement they are guilty of. So, in order to sway the people attention away, they hire or recruit provocating agent like "thetroudeballeGeneroso" and other scums in order to fanatized the people and push them against a well determined target. In Nazi Germany it was the Jews, however, in the Dominican Republic, it is the Haitians.
What they don't understand is the fact that the same world powers that are giving them "carte blanche" today, are the same world powers that will put them down and destroy them when they will not fit into their machiavelic plan anymore.
So, my advise to the Dominican people is to wake up, because you might be on your way to hell, for those assholes have no country and are not faithful to nobody than themselves.
Written by: antonioj, 30 May 2009 7:22 AM
From: Canada, home safe
Very interesting I did not find any mention of this incident in the Haitian press. I think war is not the solution to any problems, I condenm violence on both sides.
Skunk like Mr troudeballeGeneroso, that entice violence, hatred, and disrespect should be denounced not only by Haitians, but by Dominicans that are true to themselves, and to their believes. I am shocked your silence speak more for itself than anything else.
I wonder what more will it take to have that cockroach banned, Mr LetroudeballeGeneroso advocating " Death to the Haitians" is remarkable but, not surprising of him, evidently it is due to his distorted understanding, confusion, and personality disorder.
Written by: antonioj, 30 May 2009 7:26 AM
From: Canada, home safe
cont..
Here's the code of ethic that posters should abide to at DT quote "Any comment containing vulgar language, offense to other posters/general public or the majority of text in uppercase, will be deleted." unquote. Now you will be the judge, I noticed a trend any posters that seem to respond to Mr LetroudeballeGeneroso on the same fashion as him are quickly banned. ??
Dominicans are relatively a peaceful nation unless attacked, unlike Haitians that have a history of violence. I am hopeful cool head will prevail, and the average Dominicans will not buy into Mr letroudeballeGeneroso verbal diatribe or diarrhea.
Written by: oupala07 , 30 May 2009 9:26 AM
From: Canada
Antonioj
Your comments are a ray of light through the stormy clouds. I still believe that the Dominican people are one of the most peaceful in the Earth. However, they are facing the same problem we Haitians are living in : they've been subdued and dominated by a political and economic elite that does not even have their roots in their forefathers blood line (How many of your filthy reach citizens of your elite have genuine Spanish last name?). The poor masses are kept at bay, in a more subtil way than in Haiti, by an army and a police force whose allegiance and fidelity are totally acquired by that elite. So, it is quite normal that the syndrom of the beaten woman will prevail among the lower class citizenry, which knows that they have no other choice than to please that murderous elite hoping it will, in return throw some fleshy bones to them.
That is the reason why innocents like "LetroudeballeGeneroso", who bears the same characteristics of an "agent provocateur,"....
Written by: oupala07 , 30 May 2009 9:36 AM
From: Canada
are walking around and spreading hatemongering rethoric among them. We can, as cousins, sit down peacefully and solve our differences. Of course! We will shout, scream and yell at each others, because one way or the other, we both have latin blood in our veins (don't forget that the French are latin too and that we have their blood in our veins). So if we wisen up, at the end, after the dust of discord will settle, we will still engage in cock fights, drink our tafia together and chase hot women.
But before that, as I said, we must let the voice of reason prevail and kick out from our midst the hatemongers and their rethoric, because there are a lot of morons who are profiting from their actions. I can't hate my cousin, but if he want to kill me, I will have no other choice than to defend myself, and i will always curse the gun and the bullet I will use to defend myself if he attacks me.
Let's hope we won't ever have to revert to that extreme.
Written by: Belly, 30 May 2009 11:07 AM
From: Dominican Republic, San Francisco and Houston,Texas
A war is not going to happen under Leonel and Preval and we all know this. This is just another case of violence between individuals and doesn't represent the general opinion. Many people here think a war of word is going to solve anything at local and is just a mental illusion. If you don't like what's happening get on a plane and solve it but please stop posting ignorance on DT from 1000s of miles away filling up the page and not allowing well thought out comments to take place. Anyways this is my first and last comment on this article i'm not here for war of war so don't go after me cause i'm not going there.
From: United States, Brooklyn
Oopala
Again... what does your problem with lautaro has to do with me or my comment... YOU TALK TOO MUCH AND OFF SUBJECT...
If you can't deal with plain facts... raise your hand and i'll be happy to assist you!
Written by: antonioj, 30 May 2009 3:01 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Mr letroudeballeGeneroso aka, what don't you come out coward and use your real aliases, instead of regurgitating, re-heated rethoric with such a stenching smell. we have had enough of your hatred , foolishness, please stop infecting this forum with ignorance. like I said before I do not welcome you at DT, we do not need you, your opinion, or your presence. Please go, go retreat with your pre-historical friends under the cave where you came from.
From: United States
What do I know ?
Who am I ?
Just the son of a beautiful Dominican woman and a handsome Haitian father waiting and praying for a strong seism that will split the island of Espanola in two seperate islands along the Haitian Dominican border
The two seperate islands will subsequently float away from each other.
Senor dame la serinidad para aceptar las personos que no puedo cambiar
Dame el sentido de humor para leer los estupideces que escriben
Written by: antonioj, 30 May 2009 3:30 PM
From: Canada, home safe
etiennc your sense of humor come at the right time. I was about to throw my laptop by the window, Mr Troudeballegeneroso did not take his pills and Mr Troudeballgeneroso is now on a rant. The stage name that, he selected says alot about him (je je je)
Written by: Belly, 30 May 2009 4:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Francisco and Houston,Texas
Here is a great quote "Those who know don't talk and those who talk don't know a thing" by Nasir Jones aka NAS
Here is another "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." by Martin Luther King, Jr.
and now here is quote i made:
"Old people love the war that the new generation is going to fight" By Belly
From: United States, La Hermandad
Why are we doing this to our people?
WE need to build the wall, keep the Haitia population to less than 50 k and bring other immingrants laborers, Haiitans has been and will only be a problem for us. No more Haitians pleaaase!
From: Dominican Republic
Pedro Medina (Bronx, NY) and my uncle is the Dominican embassador in Spain.
By the way, everythin I said I can back up with recently published data. YOU CAN NOT HIDE THE DAMAGE DONE NOR THE INTENTION OF THE HAITIAN MERDE IN DR! FK HAITI AND THEIR CHILDREN!
Mr letroudeballeGeneroso aka, what don't you come out coward and use your real aliases, instead of regurgitating, re-heated rethoric with such a stenching smell. we have had enough of your hatred , foolishness, please stop infecting this forum with ignorance
Written by: antonioj, 30 May 2009 4:29 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Written by: oupala07 , 30 May 2009 4:44 PM
From: Canada
Mister Antonioj,
what do you expect from someone who doesn't understand that after conquering the Gauls, the Romans have turned their country into one of their provinces and that the Franks and the Germans, after several centuries, like the wisigoths, have seen their languages adopting most of the Roman expressions and words. That is the reason why most of the people they conquered have, one way or the other, seen their native language turned into a kind of creole.
In other words, all the ex roman provinces are speaking now a latin based language, and Spain and France are not spared.
As for Carlosfranco, I don't expect him to join my quest for peace and understanding because, when you see the light of truth and that you are stuck in a false radicalism, you are afraid to acknowledge it because you are afraid to be dubbed a sell out by your peers. In fact, it takes a lot of courage to desagree with people you consider your superiors.
In my family we do not follow, we lead.
Written by: antonioj, 30 May 2009 4:45 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Pedro Medina (Bronx, NY) and my uncle is the Dominican embassador in Spain."
is that so !! you are putting the life of your uncle in jeopardy imbecile, about a strike of intelligence for once and respect others privacy. k t calles la boca por Dios, I do not believe you can back any data as you claim, however I rest assured that you will run like a bunny rabbit when they come for you.
From: Dominican Republic
Antonio read, understand, think, and connect the dots before addressing me! All the claim of violence, census, economic indicators, demographic composition, racial composition, etc. are all from reliable database. You, on the other hand, is offering utopia with abstract concepts like "dialogue" or "peace." GO HOME! AND DR WILL NEVER BOTHER YOU!
OUKAKA, your attempt to use history to cover up your mistake of using Latin (a merged language that drew heavily from greek) as a blood linage is BOLOGNE! You stepped on your own merde!
Vous marche' dans de la merde!
From: Dominican Republic
Antonio threats will not work. Haitian in DR have to worry because nothing, not even MINUSTAH, can help them! I hope you have available land in Haiti for the burials!
Written by: antonioj, 30 May 2009 5:22 PM
From: Canada, home safe
I think individuals like letroudeballegeneroso aka many aliases, Gizmo aka many aliases just like every repugnant animals on earth, although tiny, they have a role to play in our echo system. in our case they show the darkess side of a human being, I commend them for their tenacity and the opportunity they are providing us here to understand their diseases, I am at peace with myself.
I DO NOT Hate you or quite the contrary I love you all, however I would not seat still and let you use these incendiaries language to promulgate discordance when the same can be accomplished peacefully by implementing law, bilateral agreement with respect and dignity of human rights.
I will uphold TRUTH,FAIRNESS as a fundamental principle even if it convicts me and make me enemies. if you do not share the latter, you may see me as your opponent a force to be reckon with, and a formidable adversary. I challenge you to tun your negativity into positivity by petition your gov to prioritize ct
Written by: antonioj, 30 May 2009 5:33 PM
From: Canada, home safe
cont..
immigration reform and policies, it always puzzle me why they are not able or willing to do that. May be you want to comment on this, and please stay way from your vulgarity or we will not have a conversation.I have squared iron with you in the past, I appreciate you understand, I mean what I say ,and I say what I mean.
Written by: oupala07 , 30 May 2009 5:35 PM
From: Canada
Mr LetroudeballeGeneroso and others hatemongers,
I understand perfectly your wrath against Mr antonioj, in fact that is the reaon why in 1938 or 39 if I have history right, Hitler and his Nazis followers have burnt the Reichtag and accused the German communists who were opposed to his machiavelic plans. He had them arrested and most of them disappeared without a trace. Your hateful rethoric toward peace loving people among the two nations seems to slowly but surely pushing you toward such extreme behaviour. What will you do then if later the Dominican people, as a whole, rises up and says no to hatemungers like you and your twins brothers? Would you go and throw yourself from the height of a cliff. Well, if you would have done that, I can assure you that it wouldn't be a great lost, for your country, because there would have still been a plenty decent and valuable citizens left, and I don't have to show them to you, they are plentyful on this forum,
Written by: Haiti, 30 May 2009 5:38 PM
From: Haiti
Many innocent people share this island. Most of them, lack of everything and more, they are not informed. Furthermore, who is responsible for their weakness or their mistakes? The situation is alarming and also catastrophic.
These citizens are doomed to failure, no resource person, no supervision, no social assistance. Do you think this style of life will change overnight. We can dream all we want, not until we get involved there will be no solution.
Written by: Belly, 30 May 2009 6:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Francisco and Houston,Texas
oupala07
You are starting to sound like a whole different person than last week and thats good i'm glad you are starting to tone down your comments from "I Hate Dominicans' to now want to talk about peace for both countries. Thats a very good step that is starting to show your academic achievements even though you are making progress you still need some work just like some others here. Soon all new poster who promote hate find out they are left talking alone and ignored by majority of DT veterans to the point where reality hits them.By the way stop calling Dominicans Hater if you have something to say to someone please call them by name and don't generalize your comments and apply them to the whole country. Anyways i'm glad you have chosen peace over war.
Written by: oupala07 , 30 May 2009 7:20 PM
From: Canada
Belly,
I have always been for peace. If you did read some of my first comments. In the beginning, my latin background was fuming by the beheading of my citizen brother by the mob, and I am pretty sure you would have reacted the same way. Afterward, when I take a good look at the situation, I found out that there are some knuckleheads here whose purpose is to act like "taupe" in order to propagate the agenda of some devilish minds that are hiding in the shadow of anonymity and are stiring the hatred pot. I was quick to understand the situation, and in the name of my best friend's (his father was an honorable Dominican citizen) memory, I have decided to denounce and fight them, because they are doing more harm to the two people sharing the island.
History will always be on the side of both the Dominicans and Haitians who thrive for peace.
And like I said, I will always cursed the gun and the bullet I will have to use in order to defend myself against my family, if I am attacked.
Written by: oupala07 , 30 May 2009 8:24 PM
From: Canada
Mr LetroudeballeGeneroso,
It's game over for you, can't you get it? People fitted with a sane and intelligent mind won't embark in your hateful nazi and fascist rethoric. Oh! I know that there still are some of them left, but overall, I am pretty sure that the ones fitted with a high IQ have understood that they have been manipulated by fascists and nazis, and they will never get the very first European settlement in the New World bear the scar or ignominy once more.
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Written by: oupala07 , 30 May 2009 8:33 PM
From: Canada
Mr LetroudeballeGeneroso,
It's game over for you, can't you get it? People fitted with a sane and intelligent mind won't embark in your hateful nazi and fascist rethoric. Oh! I know that there still are some of them left, but overall, I am pretty sure that the ones fitted with a high IQ have understood that they have been manipulated by fascists and nazis, and they will never get the very first European settlement in the New World bear the scar or ignominy once more.
And that is why I am ready to join them in the battle to stop people like you who are flaring up the hatred among us. It's very sad and pitiful to be left alone in your corner plotting how you could divide what is undivisible. In fact, in order to divide the two nation as you or another hatemonger has put it, you must split the island in two and let them drift apart.
Written by: oupala07 , 30 May 2009 8:37 PM
From: Canada
For that to happen my friend, you must go to the asteroid belt whose orbit is circling the sun between the planets Mars and Jupiter. pick and good size chunk of space rock among them and launch it in a collision course with Earth. Maybe with a little luck it would have struck between our two main lakes and fulfil your dream. What do you think about that? Maybe astronomy is not your preferred field of study, it would be really a pity for a big mouth like you if you can't understand that simple explaination.
Once again, you better embrace peace, because all I want is to see two happy and prosperous nations sharing the most beautiful island in the world, is that asking you too much? If it is not, then stop the hatemongering rethoric, forget about the fascists that are brainwashing you and come to fly in my wing on the Internet and show how good you are as a sim pilot in you are not a real world one.
From: United States
the dominican people have developed into a distinct people as have the haitian people.the dominican people, through their own resources, have established a viable, dynamic nation. a union of the 2 nations now sharing the island would be the end of the dominican nation. the chaos, ignorance and violence of the haitian would result in a downward slide of the relative prosperity of the dominican people. mr oupala07 has found refuge and prosperity in canada and advocates union of the DR and haiti. i would much prefer if you would advocate for your people to try a little bit harder than they have for the last 2 centuries to build a nation. in the DR your people are held in low esteem. in adittion, you spend an inordinate amount of time on a DOMINICAN web-site advocating your gibberish. GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
From: Dominican Republic
UTOPIA! Some think that Haiti can live prosperous and in peace with DR. YOU HAVE JUST INSULTED HISTORY AND THE HAITIAN REALITY! Haiti will only get worse (MORE PEOPLE AND LESS LAND)! AND THAT PRESSURE WILL FLOW TOWARDS DR! THERE CAN NOT BE PEACE WHEN ONE OF THE TWO NATIONS BEHAVE INRESPONSIBLY AND SPILL ITS INRESPONSIBILITY TO THE OTHER!
Haiti will not change with dialogue! Haiti must be impacted with overwhelming force to cut down their population!
Nazis or Fascism? That has to do with superior race and totalitariam! I am talking about nationalism (restoration of culture, tradition, racial distribution, etc.) and reversing the illegal Haitian intrusion into DR! Otherwise, U.S., Argentina, Costa Rica, Panama, Spain, Italy, France and others are Nazis and/or Fascism. But of course you are very misguided!
Of course, I am not done! The Haitian will be done pretty soon! Find places in Port of Pigs to bury them!
From: Dominican Republic
eltinaje01, I salute your posting! Thank you!
From: Dominican Republic
OUKAKA needs to be remided (must re-read the above headline).
Haitians arrested for Moca death
http://www2.dominicantoday.com/dr....tian-injured-asviolence-continuesThree Haitian nationals attacked with machetes killing Teofilo Antonio Martinez, 55, in his farm located in La Penda, near the community Villa Trina, Municipal District Jose Contreras. The fatal wounds were in different parts of his body, said the Espaillat province Coroner’s Office.
The alleged killers were identified as Yensi Apolinar, arrested in Santiago when he was about to board a bust headed to Dajabón; Carlos Sami, arrested in the La Vega village El Mogote, whereas Jean Batiste is a fugitive.
From: Dominican Republic
"immigration reform and policies." There is no need for this! Law 285 clearly states the requirements needed to apply for visa, residency, and citizenship in DR. The immigration services enforzes immigration laws in DR. The Dominican immigration office has sufficient administrative and regulation controls for an orderly management of immigration in DR. Thousands of immigrants have obeyed and complied with Dominican immigration laws (such as the Chinese, middle East, and the Europeans)
It is just that the Haitian do not obey any immigration laws (they simply cross over wiht the atittude that DR belongs to Haiti). We are NOT reforming any laws to accommodate and legalize the illegal (rewarding illegal behavior is prohibited). The illegal must return to their countries and formally apply in the Dominican Consulate their intentions of emigrating to DR!
Written by: Haiti, 30 May 2009 10:54 PM
From: Haiti
Mr Letroudeballe Generoso you have a filthy mouth, your mental is so polluted I was wondering if you are not an offspring of Hitler. I would like to see the components of your brain. You are so vulgar your definition cannot be described or exposed publicly. Wisdom goes along the way sir. In what jungle did you grow up?
Written by: oupala07 , 30 May 2009 11:34 PM
From: Canada
To the hatemongers,
Keep going at it, we will never mind and blink because we know that small things always come from small brains. Your nation and mine need to be purged in order to survive, and they will be my friends one way or the other real freedom and prosperity for all will prevail for the common people from both sides of the border. I know why you are pissed, because you think I would have kept making you feel and look good by keeping the hatred exchange with you. No, I am too civilized and smart for that.
From: Dominican Republic
To the Port of PIGS:
What does Hitler has to do with kicking the Haitian out of DR? Care to explain the pede thinking process?
Le Haitien ont des pifs e'normes!
From: United States
By reading terroristic comments posted by Mr. letroudeballeGeneroso which clearly violated DT's Code of Ethics, one is left with the impression that Mr. letroudeballeGeneroso either works for DT or DT is in supportive of Mr. letroudeballeGeneroso terroristic views and visions.
From: Dominican Republic
Even GOD blessed Moses and Joshua for conducting ethnic cleansing in Canaan (remember the fate of Jericho and Gideon?).
In other words (OUKAKA07), god endorses violence when it is just! Haiti must be regulated by force or the whole Caribbean will go down the tube!
From: Dominican Republic
"that your survival is tightly link to ours " Stop, read history, and stop spewing lies in this thread! DR DOES NOT DEPEND ON HAITI FOR SURVIVAL! WE HAVE DONE IT ON OUR OWN!
What we worry about is that Haiti brings to the island more people (who are poor, sick, violent, and uneducated), foreign and incompatible species to the island, bring diseases, and erosive desert/faunaless conditions that can propagate next door!
From: Dominican Republic
Here another Haitian was apprehended for illegaly cutting trees in another protected area in DR!
Policía asesta duro golpe a la delincuencia
Resuelve decenas de casos y apresa más de 70 presuntos delincuentes
Saturday, May 30, 2009
http://www.elnuevodiario.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=153980La Policía precisó que entre los detenidos figura el haitiano Lobo Kalia, de 33 años, quien fue sorprendido por un vigilante forestal cortando árboles en el kilómetro 9 del tramo carretero Descubierta-Boca de Cachón, de Jimaní, próximo al sector El Nueve. En la acción el haitiano Kalia resultó con heridas de perdigones debido a que trató de agredir a las autoridades con un machete.
Written by: oupala07 , 31 May 2009 2:00 AM
From: Canada
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Any comment containing vulgar language, offense to other posters/general public or the majority of text in uppercase, will be deleted."
I don't think the Dominicantoday website is serious about its rules of engagement by allowing Hitler's Grandson to be so nastily spreading hatred around. If it is a no hold bars Forum, state it clearly, otherwise stop giving that fascist a voice. We haitians can be meaner and nastier than him, however, there is a time where cool head and reason must prevail.
Or is it possible that the moderator forget what it is writen as warning for would be offenders?
We might be poor in Haiti, but we keep our word when we say something. In fact, that behaviour smells a noseful bias.
Written by: oupala07 , 31 May 2009 2:07 AM
From: Canada
That won't deter some of us who want to preach moderation and engage the fascists and nazis on this site. Maybe we must alert the Mossad, because I know they are expert at hunting and aprehending those scums. And we can't care less whether or not it is a Dominican website, for as long as it is open and we are allow to express or view on it, Mr frustrated Generoso will have no other choice than to keep speaking with his scumful mouth.
I guess the best way to shut him down is to ignore him and not giving him an audience, then we'll see who his comparses are, because an isolated and caged animal is much more less dangerous for human than when it is in their midst.
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This is more of the Haitian MO, "kopuet tet" genetic custom, that is polluting our nation.
So then how on God's green earth was this Salcime' able to ascertain if they had crossed into Dominican territory if the border was supposedly nebulous to them?
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. There's definitely a ring of truth to your post.
If our elite and politicians were nation builders and policy makers, they would have mark ed the border and educated the peasants on where its marks are located. Being given they don't know anything else than "coupe tèt boule kay" = " cut the head and burn the house," they will always have the tendency to solve their quarrel with any foe with their machete.
What is sad is that the Dominicans will take this as a pretext to hunt them down and kill them in their territory.
So the fault is from neither the haitians peasants nor the Dominicans, but our own government.
You're right in that this has the potential to bring more violence. But let me ask you, what recourse should the Dominican state take to address this problem? It obviously cannot be left as is.
if we look ...
Since The Carlos Nerilus and the Haitian episode, every week we listen about people been killing. 2 weeks ago, 3 haitians were been mutilated by dominicans after a work Day. 2 days ago, Dominicans try to burn house with PREGNANT HAITIAN WOMENS after a teenager presume that a haitian try to rapped her.
Last week haitian and dominican goverment had dirty talks so...
See what I have been saying for so long:The Dominican lands can not feed both Haitians and Dominicans. We will continue to have conflicts until Haiti grows up and becomes an adult and mature nation
I know that the Dominicans overall state of mind about us, but give them credit. They are taking us as example and they are doing precisely the contrary of what we are doing to our country.
So, if they are kicking our ass, we must look why before stricking back.
I will never tolerate racist attacks on our people, however, if they don't behave in a rightfully way, they must know better, because I am tired to defend bozos with no honor.
I have already, and in several occasions described what the two governments should do in order to solve the border problems, and the best is to have a joint border patrol task force that will make sure that the border is tight close against any illegal activities. If such task force was in service, and if there would be serious and honest collaboration between the two, there would be no such dramas. However, my friend we must aknowledge that the disdainful stance of your government toward us won't allow such close partnership. And I am very afraid that the foreign powers, that are pulling the strings in the shadow, will let both sides get into war because they think that you the dominicans will be the victors.
It will be a sure way for them to unite the island and to subdue us the haitians and to throw us in a state of second class citizens in our own country the same way Boyer did to you in the 19th century. If that is their game plan, it won't succeed.
My friend, I am not someone who is interested in local area politics. My vision is what is coming upon us and it is a Great war between the remnant of the ex Soviet Union and the NATO. What will happen to my people after that war will be won by a side or the other is what matter to me. In fact, you the dominicans are the least of my worries, because, as I said, if you can walk your way in our Capital city tommorow, you won't be able to stay for long, and you know it.
My point is that, if we do not sit down together and take care of this island our Indians, Spanish, French and Africans forfathers...
It will be a sure way for them to unite the island and to subdue us the haitians and to throw us in a state of second class citizens in our own country the same way Boyer did to you in the 19th century. If that is their game plan, it won't succeed."
I've come to the same conclusion that you just laid out. Wow. It's not improbable AT ALL.
I don't think you understand the Dominican mind very well. Our love of country has little to do with the disdain that SOME have for Haiti.
This is the kind of language we must speak in order to send a strong signal to both governments. There is no doubt that the contemporary Dominican is a proud and a patriotic one. However, you have to undestand that your survival is tightly link to ours : Do you know in a few decades where our two people will find themselves? Neither you and I know for sure.
However, I've been following the world geopolitics since the fall of the Soviet Union, and I have realized that the cold war has never been over : it has simply been stopped by a truce.
NATO, which should have been dismantled, is still expanding toward the ex Soviet Union borders and it is slowly but surely encercling the Russians by incorporating former Soviet states into its ranks. The Russians have just responded by creating another alliance in central asia, and if you visit the Pravda.ru website, you'll find out that they are gearing for war against the West.
When that war will be over, and whoever will win it, will tend to shut down all velleity of nationalism in us, and will incorporate every single caribbean state into their empire. Is that what you want? Would your people be that patriotic to resist and say no, or would they forgo their freedom and let themeselves be engulfed?
By weakening ourselves economically, socially and militarily, the two nations that are sharing this island are due to be either just little vassal states or simply other provinces or department of the Great upcoming North American Union.
We should not led the Haitians farm in these protected lands, because even if we were to allow these lands to be farmed, they should do so by our own farmers and citizens... It is no concern of ours that haitians can't farm in their own country!
You should stop the rethoric, I know that my people are ugly, blacks and underdeveloped in your eyes, that does not make them nevertheless human being that have been shamelessly by rotten politicians and intellectuals from both sides of the island. There is nothing I'd like more to see you getting rid of our haitian population, however, by doing so and if you are not selective, you risk to empty your country too. Unless you just want to get rid of the negroes and keep the would be whites.
War between our two nations won't be profitable for nobody. I remember before the start of the second Gulf war, that the French President François Mitterand has told that idiot of George Bush that it was no more time for war but for business. He told him that "we can buy the world instead of trying to conquer it."
Don't you think if that fool had listen to him the world would be in a deep recession now?
Sabre rattling and hatred won't lead you nowhere, don't listen to the fascists in your midst and the foreign powers to antagonize the haitian people, because if you piss us off, we might turn to be your enemy for ever, for actually, as you can realize it, a more than a big chunk of our population still like you. So, don't do anything foolish because we won't tolerate another genocide.
You can't more right Laut, and when we take a look at what is happening in the world now and all the fallacious rethoric boldly thrown in our face, you can't keep yourself from saying that John Adams was not right.
And unfortunately, it's seems that we have a lot of people in the whole world whose prophetical words aren't related to. I guess that it is up to the educated elite from both sides to try to diffuse that mine on which we all risk to be blown off. by
Oupala07... you talk too much and not about the subject
haitian4life... You've pointed the source of the problem, unlike Oupala, and realize who is
truly in violation of the law.
Helloooooooooooooooooooooo !
Helloooooooooooooooooooooo !
Remember mother's day !
Can anybody help me ?
I do not feel well, I suffer from DHHM ( D ominicans H aitians H ablando M ierda
You remind me a school boy that has been rejected by his friends because they don't agree with the way he sees things. In your case, in order for the conversation to be productive, it should keep on being based on trading insults and hatred. No, my friend, honest and civilized people know when to reach out. That does not make them the best buddies in the world, but they know that an honest enemy is far more better than a dishonest and crapulous friend.
See what I mean?
The Dominicans and the Haitians are destined to become one nation one way or the other. It's how that marriage will be celebrated and that union will be performed that will count. Do you want the husband to rape and beat the bride or do you want him to offer her flowers and take her to the best honeymoon trip both of them have ever enjoyed.
Once again, we haitians, won't tolerate another genocide. That's your problem if you seem not to understand that.
We are in a forum where there are several attendants. If you say that I talk too much and that I am off track with the subject, you are mistaken. In fact, if I found myself in good term with my ex foe lautaro, it is because he has read my input on the matter. Besides, what you call "talk too much and off the subject," is a kind of parntheses we have opened on the side in order to talk about the geopolitics related to what is happening in our island now. If you don't understand a thing about it, just raise your hand and it will be a pleasure for either one of us to fit you in.
No offfense intended from me, and none taken from you.
built a wall
cut all ties - diplomatic and economic
take time-out for a few decades with no contact , only way to prevent something very very ugly.
ANOTHER GENOCIDE IS COMING!
I agree with you. The Haitian Government need to reinstate the Haitian Army, bring all the Haitians from the DR back and have(employ) them build a wall on the Haitian border.
I agree with you. The Haitian Government need to reinstate the Haitian Army, bring all the Haitians from the DR back and have(employ) them build a wall on the Haitian border.
I do agree with you. we should sit down and air our differences.
Haitians have been sitting down to air their diffenrecsces and seek satisfying solutions for 200 years .
They have all decided that they should destroy Haiti and so they did , and they did a damn good job.
sadly thats far from happening :/
I think some hateros need a wake up call?
Keep talking shit about genocide, because we are not pissed enough. However, I warn you time and time again that if you push us to the brink and make us understand that we have nothing more to lose, we might as well come to die in your face, and you know that we can, for you just have to watch how our peasants are reacting in your country. If the nearly ten millions of us turned the same way, who's going to save you from our wrath? Your ridicule and under equiped army? Your cowards hatemongers? or the Haitians that are already on your soil?
Just give us two more years and then we will fix the problem.
We are about to raise the minimum wages to 5 dollars a day, and I think it will be a good incentives to have our people back to our side of the island, I hope that yours won't follow them. Then, we are going to actively campaigning in order to either have the border shut down or to force your government to trade fairly with us.
So, no need to bark while the caravan is passing, we are waiting for you after it finishes to pass. And do not say afterward that we did not warn you.
I will always keep the channel opened for the well intended cousins and shut for the monkeys in human clothes.
Fascism and Nazism are outdated ideologies, however, they are still being used by experts and mass manipulators for their own advantage and mesquine interests. That is the reason why I won't ever have any personal grudge against the Dominican people, but I'll be ready to shoot the bastards that are perverting their brains.
Fernandez your president is not a bad guy, however, like most of our presidents, he is the hostage of a militaro/economic elite oligarchy which is hiding its corrupt and criminal activities by controlling tightly the information and, by the same token, the mind of the Dominican people. They make them believe that their country are a developped one while it is not, they make them believe that the haitians are scums and criminals while they are not. Why because they know that, in spite of a seemingly fast pace growth, there is still a lot of socio economic problem..
What they don't understand is the fact that the same world powers that are giving them "carte blanche" today, are the same world powers that will put them down and destroy them when they will not fit into their machiavelic plan anymore.
So, my advise to the Dominican people is to wake up, because you might be on your way to hell, for those assholes have no country and are not faithful to nobody than themselves.
Skunk like Mr troudeballeGeneroso, that entice violence, hatred, and disrespect should be denounced not only by Haitians, but by Dominicans that are true to themselves, and to their believes. I am shocked your silence speak more for itself than anything else.
I wonder what more will it take to have that cockroach banned, Mr LetroudeballeGeneroso advocating " Death to the Haitians" is remarkable but, not surprising of him, evidently it is due to his distorted understanding, confusion, and personality disorder.
Here's the code of ethic that posters should abide to at DT quote "Any comment containing vulgar language, offense to other posters/general public or the majority of text in uppercase, will be deleted." unquote. Now you will be the judge, I noticed a trend any posters that seem to respond to Mr LetroudeballeGeneroso on the same fashion as him are quickly banned. ??
Dominicans are relatively a peaceful nation unless attacked, unlike Haitians that have a history of violence. I am hopeful cool head will prevail, and the average Dominicans will not buy into Mr letroudeballeGeneroso verbal diatribe or diarrhea.
Your comments are a ray of light through the stormy clouds. I still believe that the Dominican people are one of the most peaceful in the Earth. However, they are facing the same problem we Haitians are living in : they've been subdued and dominated by a political and economic elite that does not even have their roots in their forefathers blood line (How many of your filthy reach citizens of your elite have genuine Spanish last name?). The poor masses are kept at bay, in a more subtil way than in Haiti, by an army and a police force whose allegiance and fidelity are totally acquired by that elite. So, it is quite normal that the syndrom of the beaten woman will prevail among the lower class citizenry, which knows that they have no other choice than to please that murderous elite hoping it will, in return throw some fleshy bones to them.
That is the reason why innocents like "LetroudeballeGeneroso", who bears the same characteristics of an "agent provocateur,"....
But before that, as I said, we must let the voice of reason prevail and kick out from our midst the hatemongers and their rethoric, because there are a lot of morons who are profiting from their actions. I can't hate my cousin, but if he want to kill me, I will have no other choice than to defend myself, and i will always curse the gun and the bullet I will use to defend myself if he attacks me.
Let's hope we won't ever have to revert to that extreme.
Oopala
Again... what does your problem with lautaro has to do with me or my comment... YOU TALK TOO MUCH AND OFF SUBJECT...
If you can't deal with plain facts... raise your hand and i'll be happy to assist you!
Who am I ?
Just the son of a beautiful Dominican woman and a handsome Haitian father waiting and praying for a strong seism that will split the island of Espanola in two seperate islands along the Haitian Dominican border
The two seperate islands will subsequently float away from each other.
Senor dame la serinidad para aceptar las personos que no puedo cambiar
Dame el sentido de humor para leer los estupideces que escriben
Here is another "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." by Martin Luther King, Jr.
and now here is quote i made:
"Old people love the war that the new generation is going to fight" By Belly
WE need to build the wall, keep the Haitia population to less than 50 k and bring other immingrants laborers, Haiitans has been and will only be a problem for us. No more Haitians pleaaase!
By the way, everythin I said I can back up with recently published data. YOU CAN NOT HIDE THE DAMAGE DONE NOR THE INTENTION OF THE HAITIAN MERDE IN DR! FK HAITI AND THEIR CHILDREN!
Mr letroudeballeGeneroso aka, what don't you come out coward and use your real aliases, instead of regurgitating, re-heated rethoric with such a stenching smell. we have had enough of your hatred , foolishness, please stop infecting this forum with ignorance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8jy_RbWX_0&feature=related
what do you expect from someone who doesn't understand that after conquering the Gauls, the Romans have turned their country into one of their provinces and that the Franks and the Germans, after several centuries, like the wisigoths, have seen their languages adopting most of the Roman expressions and words. That is the reason why most of the people they conquered have, one way or the other, seen their native language turned into a kind of creole.
In other words, all the ex roman provinces are speaking now a latin based language, and Spain and France are not spared.
As for Carlosfranco, I don't expect him to join my quest for peace and understanding because, when you see the light of truth and that you are stuck in a false radicalism, you are afraid to acknowledge it because you are afraid to be dubbed a sell out by your peers. In fact, it takes a lot of courage to desagree with people you consider your superiors.
In my family we do not follow, we lead.
is that so !! you are putting the life of your uncle in jeopardy imbecile, about a strike of intelligence for once and respect others privacy. k t calles la boca por Dios, I do not believe you can back any data as you claim, however I rest assured that you will run like a bunny rabbit when they come for you.
OUKAKA, your attempt to use history to cover up your mistake of using Latin (a merged language that drew heavily from greek) as a blood linage is BOLOGNE! You stepped on your own merde!
Vous marche' dans de la merde!
I DO NOT Hate you or quite the contrary I love you all, however I would not seat still and let you use these incendiaries language to promulgate discordance when the same can be accomplished peacefully by implementing law, bilateral agreement with respect and dignity of human rights.
I will uphold TRUTH,FAIRNESS as a fundamental principle even if it convicts me and make me enemies. if you do not share the latter, you may see me as your opponent a force to be reckon with, and a formidable adversary. I challenge you to tun your negativity into positivity by petition your gov to prioritize ct
immigration reform and policies, it always puzzle me why they are not able or willing to do that. May be you want to comment on this, and please stay way from your vulgarity or we will not have a conversation.I have squared iron with you in the past, I appreciate you understand, I mean what I say ,and I say what I mean.
I understand perfectly your wrath against Mr antonioj, in fact that is the reaon why in 1938 or 39 if I have history right, Hitler and his Nazis followers have burnt the Reichtag and accused the German communists who were opposed to his machiavelic plans. He had them arrested and most of them disappeared without a trace. Your hateful rethoric toward peace loving people among the two nations seems to slowly but surely pushing you toward such extreme behaviour. What will you do then if later the Dominican people, as a whole, rises up and says no to hatemungers like you and your twins brothers? Would you go and throw yourself from the height of a cliff. Well, if you would have done that, I can assure you that it wouldn't be a great lost, for your country, because there would have still been a plenty decent and valuable citizens left, and I don't have to show them to you, they are plentyful on this forum,
These citizens are doomed to failure, no resource person, no supervision, no social assistance. Do you think this style of life will change overnight. We can dream all we want, not until we get involved there will be no solution.
You are starting to sound like a whole different person than last week and thats good i'm glad you are starting to tone down your comments from "I Hate Dominicans' to now want to talk about peace for both countries. Thats a very good step that is starting to show your academic achievements even though you are making progress you still need some work just like some others here. Soon all new poster who promote hate find out they are left talking alone and ignored by majority of DT veterans to the point where reality hits them.By the way stop calling Dominicans Hater if you have something to say to someone please call them by name and don't generalize your comments and apply them to the whole country. Anyways i'm glad you have chosen peace over war.
I have always been for peace. If you did read some of my first comments. In the beginning, my latin background was fuming by the beheading of my citizen brother by the mob, and I am pretty sure you would have reacted the same way. Afterward, when I take a good look at the situation, I found out that there are some knuckleheads here whose purpose is to act like "taupe" in order to propagate the agenda of some devilish minds that are hiding in the shadow of anonymity and are stiring the hatred pot. I was quick to understand the situation, and in the name of my best friend's (his father was an honorable Dominican citizen) memory, I have decided to denounce and fight them, because they are doing more harm to the two people sharing the island.
History will always be on the side of both the Dominicans and Haitians who thrive for peace.
And like I said, I will always cursed the gun and the bullet I will have to use in order to defend myself against my family, if I am attacked.
It's game over for you, can't you get it? People fitted with a sane and intelligent mind won't embark in your hateful nazi and fascist rethoric. Oh! I know that there still are some of them left, but overall, I am pretty sure that the ones fitted with a high IQ have understood that they have been manipulated by fascists and nazis, and they will never get the very first European settlement in the New World bear the scar or ignominy once more.
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It's game over for you, can't you get it? People fitted with a sane and intelligent mind won't embark in your hateful nazi and fascist rethoric. Oh! I know that there still are some of them left, but overall, I am pretty sure that the ones fitted with a high IQ have understood that they have been manipulated by fascists and nazis, and they will never get the very first European settlement in the New World bear the scar or ignominy once more.
And that is why I am ready to join them in the battle to stop people like you who are flaring up the hatred among us. It's very sad and pitiful to be left alone in your corner plotting how you could divide what is undivisible. In fact, in order to divide the two nation as you or another hatemonger has put it, you must split the island in two and let them drift apart.
Once again, you better embrace peace, because all I want is to see two happy and prosperous nations sharing the most beautiful island in the world, is that asking you too much? If it is not, then stop the hatemongering rethoric, forget about the fascists that are brainwashing you and come to fly in my wing on the Internet and show how good you are as a sim pilot in you are not a real world one.
Haiti will not change with dialogue! Haiti must be impacted with overwhelming force to cut down their population!
Nazis or Fascism? That has to do with superior race and totalitariam! I am talking about nationalism (restoration of culture, tradition, racial distribution, etc.) and reversing the illegal Haitian intrusion into DR! Otherwise, U.S., Argentina, Costa Rica, Panama, Spain, Italy, France and others are Nazis and/or Fascism. But of course you are very misguided!
Of course, I am not done! The Haitian will be done pretty soon! Find places in Port of Pigs to bury them!
Haitians arrested for Moca death
http://www2.dominicantoday.com/dr....tian-injured-asviolence-continues
Three Haitian nationals attacked with machetes killing Teofilo Antonio Martinez, 55, in his farm located in La Penda, near the community Villa Trina, Municipal District Jose Contreras. The fatal wounds were in different parts of his body, said the Espaillat province Coroner’s Office.
The alleged killers were identified as Yensi Apolinar, arrested in Santiago when he was about to board a bust headed to Dajabón; Carlos Sami, arrested in the La Vega village El Mogote, whereas Jean Batiste is a fugitive.
It is just that the Haitian do not obey any immigration laws (they simply cross over wiht the atittude that DR belongs to Haiti). We are NOT reforming any laws to accommodate and legalize the illegal (rewarding illegal behavior is prohibited). The illegal must return to their countries and formally apply in the Dominican Consulate their intentions of emigrating to DR!
Keep going at it, we will never mind and blink because we know that small things always come from small brains. Your nation and mine need to be purged in order to survive, and they will be my friends one way or the other real freedom and prosperity for all will prevail for the common people from both sides of the border. I know why you are pissed, because you think I would have kept making you feel and look good by keeping the hatred exchange with you. No, I am too civilized and smart for that.
What does Hitler has to do with kicking the Haitian out of DR? Care to explain the pede thinking process?
Le Haitien ont des pifs e'normes!
In other words (OUKAKA07), god endorses violence when it is just! Haiti must be regulated by force or the whole Caribbean will go down the tube!
What we worry about is that Haiti brings to the island more people (who are poor, sick, violent, and uneducated), foreign and incompatible species to the island, bring diseases, and erosive desert/faunaless conditions that can propagate next door!
Policía asesta duro golpe a la delincuencia
Resuelve decenas de casos y apresa más de 70 presuntos delincuentes
Saturday, May 30, 2009
http://www.elnuevodiario.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=153980
La Policía precisó que entre los detenidos figura el haitiano Lobo Kalia, de 33 años, quien fue sorprendido por un vigilante forestal cortando árboles en el kilómetro 9 del tramo carretero Descubierta-Boca de Cachón, de Jimaní, próximo al sector El Nueve. En la acción el haitiano Kalia resultó con heridas de perdigones debido a que trató de agredir a las autoridades con un machete.
Any comment containing vulgar language, offense to other posters/general public or the majority of text in uppercase, will be deleted."
I don't think the Dominicantoday website is serious about its rules of engagement by allowing Hitler's Grandson to be so nastily spreading hatred around. If it is a no hold bars Forum, state it clearly, otherwise stop giving that fascist a voice. We haitians can be meaner and nastier than him, however, there is a time where cool head and reason must prevail.
Or is it possible that the moderator forget what it is writen as warning for would be offenders?
We might be poor in Haiti, but we keep our word when we say something. In fact, that behaviour smells a noseful bias.
I guess the best way to shut him down is to ignore him and not giving him an audience, then we'll see who his comparses are, because an isolated and caged animal is much more less dangerous for human than when it is in their midst.