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New York.– Since US immigration laws got stricter in1996, some 36,000 Dominicans have been deported, though unofficial figures raise the number to 56,000, a fact that has caused a serious crisis in that community, according to a new study.

The report, produced by the Northern Manhattan Coalition for Immigrant Rights in conjunction with the Immigrants Rights Clinic at New York University’s School of Law, was presented before the May Day marches in which thousands of immigrants were expected to demand immigration reform from President Barack Obama.

Nearly 1.6 million Dominicans live in the United States, most of them in New York. A total of 600 were deported in the first five weeks of 2009.

“At this rate, immigration authorities will deport more than 5,000 Dominicans this year, which will double the figures from, previous years,” the study says, adding that 2,990 were repatriated in 2007, all as a result of the 1996 immigration law.

Under that law, immigrants can be deported retroactively, even though they are legal residents and have finished serving their sentences for minor crimes committed in the past, which under the new statute are considered felonies.

The study points out that since the range of crimes was extended to include many non-violent crimes as a reason for deportation, a surprisingly large number of Dominicans have been, and are, taken from their communities and jailed for convictions that in the past were not reasons for repatriation.

It says that deportees have faced and still face “a triple punishment” out of all proportion to the crime committed since, after paying their debt to society, they are jailed again “and punished once more,” this time followed by deportation to the Dominican Republic, where they are stigmatized and persecuted for the mere fact of having been deported.

The report also says that with deportation, family members remaining in the United States are not only separated from their loved ones but lose their economic support.

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88 comment(s)
Written by: juanb, 3 May 2009 9:30 AM
From: Dominican Republic
It's really quite simple to be able to stay in the US. Go there legally and don't break the law. If you do break the law don't expect to get away with it as you do here.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Written by: TexasBill, 3 May 2009 10:15 AM
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
Many of you won't agree, but along with the rights and priviledges of residence in the US comes the responsibilities for compliance with it's laws, regulations and mores of that society.
In many cases, these elements of "good citizenship" are not complied with and as a result, the violator is deported for a seemingly non-sensical violation.
Examples, such as a failure to keep the INS apprised of one's current address(notification of changes with the State authorities notwithstanding), failure to comply with the requirements of probation, expressions of violence in the presense of Federal Officers, repeated misdemeanors, such as minor traffic violations, barroom scuffles, etc.
There are many other reasons to numerous to mention that indicate to the INS that this particular individual does not meet the qualifications and responsibilities of a "good citizen", whereupon that person is arraigned for deportation regardless of any family connections/responsibilities.
TexasBill
Written by: TexasBill, 3 May 2009 10:35 AM
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
In additio, the underlying problem seem to be a partial lack of understanding of those laws, rules and regulations, including the social mores of the US Society.
Perhaps it would behoove the collective Dominican Community to create an "Office of Immigration Compliance", or some such organization, to apprise the Dominican Society in theUS of the requirements as stipulated and in explanation of those requirements, citing examples for consideration by the immigrant.
Most of the Dominican, and other Spanish speaking, Immigrants would certainly benefit from such efforts because of language and basic philosophical backgrounds and differences.
I have spoken with many "Green Card" holders who have ben visiting loved ones here, and it is my firm opinion that a vast majority of those put forth the maximun effort to comply with those elements of "good citizenship" alluded to above.
Cont'd below
Written by: VeronicaDR, 3 May 2009 10:43 AM
From: United States
I agree with juanb the writer of this article makes it sound like these Dominicans are being treated unfairly when in fact they are not. What is not mentioned is that these criminals have done worse things than have a pile of unpaid parking tickets or shoplifting. These are mainly people considered to have no real value to society and would spend most of their lives in jail.

The US is not the Dominican Republic and vice versa. In fact these people should be happy they are doing their time in a US jail instead of a Dominican jail.

Written by: TexasBill, 3 May 2009 10:47 AM
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
Cont'd from above;

It is significant, to me, that those who have been deported for various reasons, have considered the laws, etc. of the US to be of sufficient importance to be complied with and consequently have been ignored, or scoffed at, because it wasn't convenient to comply with them.
The result has been a denial of the ordinary priviledges offered by continued residence and of being deported.
In the final analysis, if a foreign national wishes to live, work and play within the borders of the USA, that person MUST comply with the "rules of the road", or suffer denial of the priviledges of that society.
Immigrants have a special set of rules to comply with, but compliance with those rules aren't really difficult. It just takes a bit of forethought and "straight thinking" to do so.
I rest my case and request that everyone think the problem through to it's ultimate end.

TexasBill


Written by: abc200, 3 May 2009 11:37 AM
From: United Kingdom
Another example of vicious US discrimination against minorities. The US was founded to bring freedom to oppressed peoples.
From her beacon hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
Lazerus
Oh! the travisty that the evil empire has become!
Persons of other American origin should take to the streets to force the regime to change policies!
This power must be upsurped by the oppressed!
S.
Written by: letroudeballeGeneroso This user is banned, 3 May 2009 2:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Exemplary and productive behavior should keep this law away but the extent (outreach) and interpretation of this law is proned to abuses by those with anti-immigrant agendas.

Everyone knows that the Dominican diaspora is composed of "poor" and not that educated people who live in a very expensive region. The cultural, financial and obligatory stresses are enormous and some are forced to find unconventional ways to meet their obligations. I would love to se the statistics of deportation of non-hispanics due to this law.

I wish that DR applies the same principles to the legal immigrants in DR!
Written by: Belly, 3 May 2009 2:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Francisco and Houston,Texas
letroudeballeGeneroso,

When US send people back to their country for doing crime is called deportation but if in DR we start sending Haitians back US calls it Violation of Human rights. is funny how the world has double standards every where.
Written by: chillaxin201 This user is banned, 3 May 2009 2:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
I just came back form DR, and I know a little something about this subject because I know people that have been deported.

I was in one of the roughest sections of DR capital, one of my cousin’s neighbors ask me where in the U.S. am I from? In English.
They know me they can smell me, but what he did not know was that I was a citizen of the U.S.

Anyway he tells me that he is deported and that he admits it is his entire fault.
That he was wrong and did what he wanted to do all his life, that he would not listen and started selling drugs in High school. He admits quote “I had a rap sheet from her to the corner” pointing at the corner. “I did five years and when they said I was free to go I.N.S. was waiting for me. So here I am since 2005”.

Moral of the story, you have no one to blame but your self. STOP looking for excuses, stop committing crimes if you do not want to get deported.
No country should have to deal with your stupidity, laziness and or drug addiction.

Written by: flippoj, 3 May 2009 4:07 PM
From: United States, Miami, Florida
This should be a no brainer, you want to be here in the U.S. come legally and adhere to the laws. Why should we keep visitors or residents here when they don't want to follow our laws. Hell I wish we could deport some U.S. Citizens for the crimes they commit.
Written by: FredCDobbs This user is banned, 3 May 2009 5:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
Thanks chill for your astute thoughts People are responsible for their own actions Now lets all dig in and find ABC and deport him back to the UK where he belongs
Written by: hvargas, 3 May 2009 5:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic
So, it's O'K, for citizens to break the laws countless of time and received both community support as a formed of rehabilitations and welfare among other benefits. Legal residence that unfortunately find themselves mixed with the American way of life which includes violating the laws just like any other normal person -- face the hammer twice or more and then deported. The U.S. is the creator of these social problems which people find themselves in, this make it a U.S. responsibility not the person national origin. The so called American Dream includes drugs traffiking, pornagraphic, stealing, cheating, and all other negatives to get to that money and that fast life. What the U.S. laws tells you is " Don't get caught " . People get what they expect and the U.S. is always changing its face to discrimanate against one group while patting and rewarding another .
Written by: FredCDobbs This user is banned, 3 May 2009 6:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
Hvargas says ........" . Legal residence that unfortunately find themselves mixed with the American way of life " ........well Mr Vargas if they are so unfortunate why dont they go back on their own if they dont like the American way of life These Dummies know what the rules are or should have been told over and over again by their parents .by saying this you diminish the hard work it requires to make it that was done by all the law abiding immigrants .How Unfortunate to find yourself in America .straiten that dumb baseball hat get rid of those phony gold chains stop listening to that goofball music and get a job and contribute to society
Written by: BASTA, 3 May 2009 6:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic, = Ghetto-SPM-Barrio Blanco
TexasBill -- right on
Written by: jonbonz, 3 May 2009 6:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo part time afghanistan the rest
And what exactly is the attitude of Dominicanos in relation to Haitian Immigrants? What about the fact that as a North American Legal Residient of the Dominican Republic I pretty much have to be acompanied by a lawyer to every governement office in the DR to keep from having those special problems that can fixed here.
The US has clear cut rules about what is acceptable and not. If you live there and follow the rules fine. If you live there and bring with you the things you try to escape from, then you may be sent back home.
Written by: flippoj, 3 May 2009 10:35 PM
From: United States, Miami, Florida
hvargas, if you didn't already know there is a condition, an agreement that aliens and visitors alike are given whenever they enter the U.S. for a visit OR when they seek relief in the form of residency. If they violate those conditions why shouldn't we remove them? They were not born here and SHOULD NOT be given the same privileges as those of us who were. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE WERE IN THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN AND VIOLATED THEIR LAWS?
Written by: TexasBill, 3 May 2009 11:07 PM
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
These people who hammer the INS and the laws of the US while at the same time seek to become citizens/residents of the country are nothing but self-seeking egoists who have only one thing in mind; that of being left to do as they please, when they please without regard to those around them.
The prisons in theUS are full of miscreants of that ilk, both citizens and immigrants. We can't deport a natural born citizen, but we can deport an immigrant who REFUSES TO FOLLOW OUR LAWS. These area the ones who scream the loudist and whine about being" victims of brutality and intollerance". You damn right I'm intollerant of a criminal and think some of the sentences aren't near harsh enough to be a real deterent toward correcting the character flaws represented.
The USA is still the freeist country on this planet and offers more opportunities than any other, even with the economy going south.

TexasBill
Written by: , 3 May 2009 11:32 PM
From:
They are liars and cheats and abuse the system....they are on welfare and food stamps....they sell drugs abuse and rape women.....they steal cars skip on rent......they run up huge bills, then skip towns...they rob your house and cars.....they often get drunk and fight you....they are loud and obscene...they are ignorant and despicable and worthy of living in this great land.

I, like so many other good and proud Dominicans, came to this country to study and work hard and promote Latins in general, and Dominican specifically. I have reaped the fruit of my efforts: I am in the Inventors Hall of Fame. I hold a position of leadership and prestige within scientific community. I've never been on welfare or abuse the system in any way. I also received an appointment to the US Naval Academy. Regrettably, I have received two speeding tickets, which I regret and for which I paid dearly.

I am a proud US citizen and a lover and defender of this great land.

No excuses....none!!

Written by: glomarexplorer, 3 May 2009 11:45 PM
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
continued.....

Send the garbage back to where they came from. They try to change this great nation into what they left behind. If they liked it so much, then why not go back. They never assimilate and demand multi-lingual education, effectively holding their children back and the whole race. BTW, they have a plurality of of liberal-minded, self-serving politicians, whose main interest is self-promotion and perpetuation of the cycle of dependence, standing on their side clamoring for all of these rights that they are not clearly entitled to.

The people who built this country didn't ask for anything. They came here escaping religious persecution and worked hard and built this great nation. They didn't ask or demand what their country could do for them, but did everything possible for this nation, unselfishly.

The official language of this country is English! Embrace it and please leave Spanish in our home countries. Indians, Koreans & Chinese don't have such demands!
Written by: glomarexplorer, 3 May 2009 11:54 PM
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Continued.....

They, often through illegal means, have better medical coverage than most hard-working Americans, coverage to which they contribute nothing! They have access to free education, and only serve to erode its quality, though the formation of gangs and perpetuation of crime. Perhaps we should institute a: "three strikes you are out" sort of rule in education as well, so that those children with a clear desire to get educated could get educated and move up in social scale.

Please let's stop asking for more money and making excuses about education system, for we cannot really afford what we already have. Furthermore, we have some of the highest paid educators in the land! Yet we are continually falling behind other industrialized nations such as most of Western Europe, Australia and Japan. Some of these people are not educatable and should pursue some vocation instead; also, college isn't for everyone, and let's just accept that fact.
Written by: abc200, 4 May 2009 7:22 AM
From: United Kingdom
Free the US for real Americans who speak Spanish!
Get rid of the trash that control Amerika and control immigration.
Free the people!
Now!
S.
Written by: hvargas, 4 May 2009 7:56 AM
From: Dominican Republic
SO. you really believe that you are free in the U.S. and that the U.S. is the freer country in the world. Some people are made to think just that --- brain washed. Most people have no idea what " Freedom is and what is to be free ". Many people come to the U.S. cause they are fool by people who returned to their homeland prettending a better life and that in the U.S. is the only place that they can make it. Most of my families that stayed in D.R. Doctors and Lawyers, and living the Dominican Dream. I had been raised in the U.S. and had gone through hell here. This is not the greatest country in the world, is just another country as any other. Immigrants legal and illigal contribute to the system in the form of taxes -- they paid their wqay just like everyboby else. Unlike everyboby else they get no benefits and are used for cheap labor. And on and on ------------ Immigration makes money off of it as well.... Check it out and them write your comments.
Written by: TexasBill, 4 May 2009 8:35 AM
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
People like hvargas and abc have either perceived themselves to have been handed a "raw deal" by the UA or have an agenda of making disruptive comments in order to cast disparagements against the USA for political and other reasons. There can be no other explanation for such commentaies as they have emited.
That we have native born citizens within the US Society who break the laws, actively seek welfare remuneration, and generally suck on the public dole goes without saying. There are these types in every society; they aren't exclusive to the USA. The system is usually blind to these people, but the "one glove fits all" philosophy is what runs the system of social programs everywhere, so it really can't be faulted. And there are those who will take advantage of such a system without regard to whether or not they are really entitled to such benevolence from the public coffers.
Cont'd below
Written by: FredCDobbs This user is banned, 4 May 2009 8:38 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
Hvargas spoken as a self deportee and America is the better off for it....you could not make it there so you came back ,now stop whining about it
Written by: TexasBill, 4 May 2009 8:52 AM
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
Cont'd from above;

As to the comment by ABC, regarding the use of theSpanish language, I have this to say:
People in the USA are very propietary about others using English within US orders. I don't know of a SINGLE LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRY which offers an alternate language in explanation of public documants, telephone conversations with government officials/instructions, or have general education in the English language for those of us who do not speak Spanish. I'd hate to try to count the number of times I have sought an interpreter who could/would assist me in trying to convey my questions and get answers about official documents and business.
We all have "bitches" about the "in-place" systems we must deal with in day-to-day living. I have managed to wallow through most of the problems confronting me in dealing with these.
So, you see, the problem of language is not confined to the USA, but is universal.

TexasBill
Written by: LasVegasImmigration, 4 May 2009 10:22 AM
From: United States
Immigration and obtaining Citizenship in the US is a process. If done correctly, it can be an easy process if you do not have a record. There are always going to be one or two stories you hear that were unfair. If they were truly unfair, we can use the law. In many rejected cases, the law was not followed.
Written by: curlando, 4 May 2009 10:30 AM
From: United States
Seems like this author of this artice does not want Dominicans to return to their homeland. A child understands the difference between right and wrong. You comment a crime you do some time and get deported if your are not a citizen of the US. Simple.
Written by: abc200, 4 May 2009 10:41 AM
From: United Kingdom
TB Many documents in the UK explaining welfare entitlements and doctors questionaires etc. are printed in 12 languages in the UK including Spanish, Welsh URDU etc. If a backward country like the UK can do it why not the US?
Dominicans and others who go to the US meet a high level of stress and it is quite understandable that they transgress once in a while. They need sympathy and rehabilitation, not deporting from god's chosen land.
S.
Written by: xwill7, 4 May 2009 10:56 AM
From: United States, Chicago
curlando, you forgot one thing...
you do the crime, you do the time, bubba has his way with you in jail, then you get deported if you are not a us citizen
Written by: anthonyC, 4 May 2009 11:41 AM
From: United States
abc agains shows total ignorance.
All legal documents in the US are available in many languages. If one is not available one would be provided.

Of course I am 100% against it.
Written by: TexasBill, 4 May 2009 11:42 AM
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
abc300;

If you don't already know it, here's a wake up for your whining personality.
The US Government provides a majorityof their official documents in Spanish as well as a selection on the phonelines to government offices for those who speak Spanish.
Since the US is not as close, geographically to Europe, alternate language capability is not available to all nationalities.
I think maybe you should get a little better educated asto what is and is not available to foreign nationals in theUS before you start spouting off about thelack of conveniences offered to non-citizens.
Also, a majority of european citizens are a better educated group all around andmost speak English as a second language. They also travel and observe during their holidfays to many other countries.
May you should try emulating that for a change and get your head on straight instead of continuously looking inward at yourself.

TexasBill
Written by: FredCDobbs This user is banned, 4 May 2009 11:49 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
The mentally challenged ABC never fails to surprise us with his whacko theories
Written by: Aissedei, 4 May 2009 12:03 PM
From: Puerto Rico, On a rock.. PR
Incase certain people are not aware, you don't get kicked out of the U.S. for minor traffic tickets and other non-felony or non-drug related crimes. I hate to tell you but if you're getting kicked out of the U.S. it's because you committed a felony crime, which is probably illegal in your own country, or you have committed the same misdemeanor crime a couple of times. (That is unless you're illegal already and shouldn't be here anyway) Obviously it works a bit different for non-permanant residents (ie: visitors with no work visas). As far as getting kicked out for not having your documents in order, uuum DUH get a lawyer or use the free legal services that many places offer.. Sorry, but if you're going to complain about the immigration laws you should actually know a little about them and not just what some friend of a friend told you happened to their cousin who was "innocent". No one has an automatic right to come into a country and break it's laws, don't like it go home.
Written by: abc200, 4 May 2009 12:11 PM
From: United Kingdom
I look - I can't find us documents in URDU on then internet. Even many press releases are not in Hindi or Urdu.
http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/pressreleases.html
UK publishes magazines in URDU!
http://ukinindia.fco.gov.uk/resou....s/Magazines2008/JayezaVolume42008
S.

Written by: FredCDobbs This user is banned, 4 May 2009 12:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
Not to worry ABC you would never be allowed in there is a clause preventing mental defectives from coming to the USA
Written by: Bailarin This user is banned, 4 May 2009 12:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Discrimination ? has anyone noticed that there is a little black man sitting in a big white house in Washington theses days ? The blacks are finally going to have to blame the blacks for thier problems and misery ..lol
Written by: abc200, 4 May 2009 12:58 PM
From: United Kingdom
bed-bug we now know why they won't let you back in!
S.
Written by: abc200, 4 May 2009 1:09 PM
From: United Kingdom
When the US causes people to commit crime then it should carefully re-habilitate them to be useful members of society - not cast them out! Maybe give them a Victory Garden.
S.
S.
Written by: Bailarin This user is banned, 4 May 2009 1:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic
YOU mean like the same way they lend out TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to greedy corporate executives responsible for sending the dow jones to cuba in a raft ..?
Written by: El_Platano, 4 May 2009 2:27 PM
From: United States, Yonkers, NY
Quite frankly, I have almost no sympathy for these deportees or most of their families for that matter. Families who knew exactly what m'ijo y m'ija was doing but chose to turn a blind eye to that activity. These 36,000 committed and were convicted of crimes such as rape, robbery, homicide, and selling drugs. I say good riddance. It is these 36,000 that have contributed to the less than stellar reputation of the Dominican Community here. It is 36,000 less felons living amongst the decent folks trying to make a better lives for themselves and raising their children in safe neighborhoods.
Written by: xwill7, 4 May 2009 2:30 PM
From: United States, Chicago
platano,
just hope that DR can handle these crooks. they can ruin paradise for all of us
Written by: Bailarin This user is banned, 4 May 2009 3:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Crooks ? the D.rs police officers and bankers are making these gangstas look like girl scouts man...wHATpARADISE?
Written by: xwill7, 4 May 2009 3:41 PM
From: United States, Chicago
the more deported the less USD that is sent back home...
Written by: Bailarin This user is banned, 4 May 2009 3:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
No importa ! Los Haitianos mantienen la balance igual .
Written by: TexasBill, 4 May 2009 4:51 PM
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
abc200;

You're REALLY scraping the bottom of the barrel when you alude to the reference on URDU. I doubt if there are sufficient persons who speak the laguage, in the US, to make it worthwhile to meet the expenses of translating all government documents into the language. And, as I said, there is not a single government document in the DR that is offered in English .
In addition, where do get the idea that the US, ORANY GOVERNMENT, SHOULD offer documents in other than their native language? That is really demanding too much andYOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT to do so.
All you can do is bitch about something that has absolutely no bearing on the OP, just to fan your own egotistical and illogical character.
You sound like some three year old who has been told he can't have that candy bar in the display case and now the hammering of your shoe-heels on the floor is the only thing we heara.
GROW UP and join the other adults, child.

TexasBill
Written by: abc200, 4 May 2009 5:19 PM
From: United Kingdom
Yes, government should be by the people and for the people. ( Gettysburg ) All the people not just english speakers!
The activity of translating etc. would provide much needed employment in states like Michigan. Perhaps new university departments could be set up for minority languages.
Building Islam in Detroit link.
http://www.umich.edu/~biid/
http://www.umich.edu/~biid/panels.html
S.

Written by: FredCDobbs This user is banned, 4 May 2009 5:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
mental defective rambles on with alcohol fueled wacko theories Still bitter about having been turned away by INS always remember you can reapply
Written by: abc200, 4 May 2009 5:58 PM
From: United Kingdom
Just telling our good posters there could be openings in the near future.
S.
Written by: Tommy, 4 May 2009 6:01 PM
From: Canada, Northern Ontario
It is pretty simple. Obey local laws or go. one way or the other.
Written by: TexasBill, 4 May 2009 6:28 PM
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
abc200;

What with the economic jaws clamping down on thereserves and future income of the US Treasury, the expensive undertaking of translating themillions of documents, forms, laws, ourt decisions, etc into minority languages justfortheconvenience of those minorities is simply not financially feasible in the near term.
There are simply too many other more important projects that require the resources of thFederal Government at this time and into the next couple of decades.
The priorities at this time are to stabilize the fragile economy and get the system functioning normally at the earliest possible time. Any detour towards a "nice to have" project simply isn't on the books.
Surely even you can see that, can't you? If not, then you are simply blind to the needs of the many who are struggling to keep life and family as normal as possible,and are focussed only on your own selfish desires.

Give my words some thought
TexasBill
Written by: abc200, 4 May 2009 6:38 PM
From: United Kingdom
It is pretty simple. Obey local laws or go. one way or the other.

When a felon is sent back to say Mexico, Colombia etc. without re-habilitation does he cease to be a felon? Chances are that he costs more to the US when sent back - Serious problems in Mexico etc.
http://www.congresscheck.com/2009....ent%E2%80%9D-on-us-mexico-border/
Far better to keep an eye on him through probation etc. and keep him or her with his family, help him find a job etc.
S.
Written by: XxMolotovCocktailxX, 4 May 2009 7:11 PM
From: United States, Bella Vista,Santiago
you fools are making this into a bigger deal then what it really is.
Written by: TexasBill, 4 May 2009 8:36 PM
From: United States, Killeen, TX - Home of the 1st Cavalry
abc200;

Since you keepchanging the theme, I conclude you are doing nothing but playing a game of "one-up-manship" with me.
I don't wish to continue according to your venue.
Have a good life.

TexasBill
Written by: glomarexplorer, 4 May 2009 9:42 PM
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
It totally baffles me why anybody would entertain abc: "at best confused". He lives in a parallel and bizarre world that none of us could ever hope to understand.

Were we to listen to his ranting, then we would be eating our feces and drinking our urine. Nothing he says makes any sense at all-nothing!!!! Judging by the numerous links he offers in his deep state of dementia, I would surmise he lives somewhere in NYC, in a small and dark apartment, provided by a seemingly benevolent, yet misguided system we have come to know as "welfare". That is why he has so much time in his hands to visit all of those weird and alternative websites.

Darn, this guy needs some serious help. Thank God DT provides a forum to get some relief from his deep state of paranoia.
Written by: letroudeballeGeneroso This user is banned, 4 May 2009 10:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The freest? There is no economic freedom in the U.S. (everything is taxed and every economic activity is monitored). And on top of that neighborhoods and city councils control the land via zoning laws especially the eminent domain law. Communications are monitored and records are kept of every freaking exchange for someone to audit! Politically everything is molded around those two freaking political parties! Most activities are regulated! This federation does not translate into individualism!

FREEDOM IS AN ILLUSION IN THE U.S.!
Written by: Escott, 4 May 2009 10:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera and Sosua a few days a month
First I can't believe I agree with Chill and we are on the same page. I am starting to feel like an asshole.

Second I didn't realize ABC was such a dope along with the guy with Gas.
Written by: abc200, 4 May 2009 11:26 PM
From: United Kingdom
Men in the space shuttle - that tremendous US achievement - drink their Urine. They reckon that people living along the major rivers of the World drink urine three times recycled. Tomatoes grown from a good compost heap are so good! Composting toilets are so environmentally friendly!
http://www.airheadtoilet.com/
S.
Written by: FredCDobbs This user is banned, 5 May 2009 2:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
" at best confused " is giving him the benefit of the doubt and you are too kind to say so glomy
Written by: hvargas, 5 May 2009 7:33 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Some people only see the small positives and refuse the negatives. Its like having a son who goes out and molest, robbed and even kill people and the parents will still say " his a very good boy " . This is the kind of attitude that my critics in this forum potrayed, " if you don't anything kind to say about the U.S., shut your mouth ". I have experience the negatives of this country and I knows its most hidden secrets but I also know that there are good people as well. The good does not erased the bad. Did you know that right now people that have drugs problems and criminal record have a better opportunity at finding work than people with no such problems. They quilified for section 8 and other programs of low rent payments, they just got to promise to stay away from drugs and other problems. You can choose to ignored reality and accused those who refused to voice it by turning the issued as a personal -- such and such --------
Written by: FredCDobbs This user is banned, 5 May 2009 7:45 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
what does that have to do with being deported for breaking the law as an immigrant ? You broke the law now get out and stay out Those are the rules Do not say you did not know about it .Now get out and dont come back
Written by: Bailarin This user is banned, 5 May 2009 8:54 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Can we go home now ? yawn....
Written by: abc200, 5 May 2009 9:10 AM
From: United Kingdom
The rules need changing so felons are re-habilitated and transformed into useful members of society. Free the people! The US having corrupted these people should accept this responibility and not just dump them on another country.
S.
Written by: Bailarin This user is banned, 5 May 2009 9:17 AM
From: Dominican Republic
abc200 , the heart of the problem is the problem of the heart..The flesh cannot be re-habilated , only crucified and put to death....Only than is new life and freedom possible ..May God save them !
Written by: FredCDobbs This user is banned, 5 May 2009 9:23 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
little early to be hitting the old bong dont you think ?
Written by: Bailarin This user is banned, 5 May 2009 9:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Not in Mexico !
Written by: bienamor, 5 May 2009 11:16 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Its really simple, most of the deportes are over the age of majority, If they really wanted to be part of US society then them would apply for citizenship. With citizenship they could not have their residency revoked, and be deported.

Texas Bill is correct most states and the federal government provide official documents in english and various foreign languages. Other than English and Spanish, for instance Florida provides documentation on welfare, medicaid, children insurance in Kreyol. Texas provides in both English and Spanish. etc. Want to take your drivers test in Spanish most states provide this service even though none of the warning signs are in spanish. go figure.
Written by: hvargas, 6 May 2009 8:27 AM
From: Dominican Republic
This an issued on how to fairly deal with people who immgrate to another country and break the laws. The laws should be applied on an equal basis. So, just cause you're from another country it makes you less human than a citizen, it gives you less right. Sure, there are cases where some of the deportees deserved it but most don't. One aspect about people is that they love to trashed people who find themselved at the bottom and with legal problems. Get a driving violation and if you're a foreigner get your green card confiscated and be ready to be deported -- for breaking the laws. Oh, but thats a small laws, yes but it could had cause a tragit accidence -- well, them lets deport them for crossing the street when the light is red. Yes, deport them for not paying their bills on time......so on and on ..... you will like that TexasBill ........... just correct my spelling .....
Written by: Bailarin This user is banned, 6 May 2009 8:48 AM
From: Dominican Republic
The government knows what a priceless comodity these uneducated immigrants are in a dying economy ..If they dont want greedy capitalist corporations shipping jobs over seas , they have to make a compromise and let the cheap over seas jobs come here ( most which are the dregs of society) ...When I had my business in the D.R , I COULD HAVE CARED LESS what the background was of the people I employed ..They were cheap labor and I DIDNT HAVE TO PAY any taxes or benefits for them and when one of them did eventually get busted on the streets and sent back over the border , I FOUND another one the next day and had no responsibility to the last ..Still , even when you fire one of them , the government has no legal obligation to support them with unemployment or welfare benefits as it does with its own people . The American tax payer only has to flip the bill for thier ferry ride back home from Ellis island..
Written by: FredCDobbs This user is banned, 6 May 2009 10:16 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
Are you one of those guys that turns the illegals into immigration when payday comes around to keep your payroll down ....now that is Capitalism at work
Written by: glomarexplorer, 6 May 2009 12:43 PM
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
hvargas,

Americans, in general, are possibly the most naive, kindest and generous people I have encountered in all my travels. They are also mostly honest-infinitely more honest than Dominicans!

We do not have to abuse these good attributes and burden them with our trash. We are guests in this country and need to behave well and in full accordance with the law. They should only welcome decent, honest and law abiding immigrants, who are here to make a better and honest life for themselves and family. Rest need not apply, and should probably be forced to pay cost of deportation.

When I was a child in DR, back when we really didn't understand how good we had it, and people were decent and respectful and a man's word was actually worth something, we use to deal effectively with miscreants and criminals. I could guaranty you that we would have disposed of any illegal immigrants very quickly, had they committed any crimes.

Do not fault US for taking necessary action.
Written by: Bailarin This user is banned, 6 May 2009 2:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Its Funny Fred how I didnt understand or realize any of this stuff until long after the out of business sign was hanging on the backdoor of my memory bank . I was just HAVIN FUN...So Hvargas , HOW do we seperate and distinguish between the sheep and the goats ,? In other words , those wicked sinners that are running from thier pasts and the ones that are fleeing the hopeless despair of thier own country and turning to America for '' a dose of hope'' ? It sounds to me like the ones your suggesting that we welcome have already discovered a '' dose of hope'' by placing thier Faith in Jesus Christ ...
Written by: bienamor, 6 May 2009 3:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Written by: hvargas, 6 May 2009 8:27 AM
From: Dominican Republic
This an issued on how to fairly deal with people who immgrate to another country and break the laws. The laws should be applied on an equal basis. So, just cause you're from another country it makes you less human than a citizen, it gives you less right. Sure, there are cases where some of the deportees deserved it but most don't. One aspect about people is that they love to trashed people who find themselved at the bottom and with legal problems.

Well they are not lesser humans but they are not citizens of that country! So you don't have to be forgiving, after all they wanted to come to your house, therefore they need to obey your laws. My house my rules. thats what you do with your kids right. Not your welcome to come in and do what ever you what. Cant do that in any country. I expect no less from the Dominican Republic if you cant abide by the law go home. Or become a citizen of that country. capish
Written by: Bailarin This user is banned, 6 May 2009 3:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Laws IN THE D.R ? subject to private interpretation and contingent upon who needs what and how much of it .. With foriegners , they have a totally seperate legal code .
Written by: abc200, 6 May 2009 4:26 PM
From: United Kingdom
The news on law as the US turns into a fascist state is bad:
http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1831
Deportation is not the way to go. Even if there is due process, and often there is not, deporting felons to the likes of Haiti and Mexico without proper re-integration services is bad.. It is preferable to re-habilitate foreign criminals in the US where full facilities are available.
S.
Written by: bienamor, 6 May 2009 4:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
abc200
from your link
the stolen 2000 presidential election, Patriot Acts I and II, illegal mass surveillance, torture-prison gulag, culture of extreme secrecy and fear, contempt for the rule of law, a permanent state of war and more. We may already be past the tipping point of its classical definition:

One with any number of recounts bush always won. so no stolen election. where was the culture of secrecy and fear unless it was for another hit. state of war yes, maybe Iraq was also wrong but if I remember correctly Congress voted ok. same for the torture prison gulag. At least the patriot acts got the intellengence groups talking to each other .

Now how about the current situation. fund anything, give 50c on the dollar to the UAW (unsecured bonds), give .29c on the dollar to hedge funds(secured bonds) something wrong there they should have received 100% under bankruptcy law . Wont let the banks pay back money they were in some cases forced to take. spent more than 1-43 pres.
Written by: FredCDobbs This user is banned, 6 May 2009 4:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
ABC says " Deportation is not the way to go " well I say it is the way to go with him and the sooner the better Maybe to his beloved Cuba or Venezuela But first he should be waterboarded and deprived of beer
Written by: bienamor, 6 May 2009 4:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Neither the USA nor any other country is responsible for rehabilitating foreign criminals. If they can't abide by the rule of law, then send them back where they came from. I don't need to try to turn them into lawabiding citizens as they are not citizens. If they were in your house would you let the stay? No if they cant follow your rules you would tell them to find another place to live.

Rehabilitating is the responsibility of the home country, upon receipt of their national. I propose that the USA adopt Mexico's immigration policy. See links below. then everyone should be happy
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14632
http://www.vdare.com/awall/070516_memo.htm
http://www.mexicolaw.com/LawInfo10.htm
Written by: hvargas, 11 May 2009 8:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Two person committ a crime, one is a dominican with legal residence and the other is an american citizen. They are both tried and sentence to ten years each. They both serverd their sentences and then are released. The dominican is grab by immigration and is deported back to D.R. -- everyone applaud please --- . The U.S. citizen stays home and is received with options to better his life away from crime but instead he associates himself with another dominican. He gets caught again and they both served time. The story repeats again, the dominican gets deported and the citizen has another chance. The problems is not one of, hey, you're from outside so behave or else, or this is my country I can break the laws but not you. Providing you with the means to break the laws and them throw you out. Most people that get deported had not come with the idea of committing crimes, their ignorance had let them to fall into that area as any other citizens. Give them back to D.R. naked how nice........
Written by: hvargas, 11 May 2009 8:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Some say they had done a lot of traveling and fine that the U.S. is the most generous country in the world. Well I had travelled also and the countries that I visited were just as generous and free as far as free is concerned. As a matter of fact there are other countries that have better social programs them the U.S. I have no personal grief against the U.S. but no one can tell me that here in the U.S, everything is Rosie and all is good and great --- the true is the true -------------
Written by: abc200, 12 May 2009 6:54 AM
From: United Kingdom
Free the people of Amerika now:
Right to housing, education of good standard, right to work a fair working week ( 35 hours ), 6 weeks holidiay a year, Good food, not supermarket rubbish!, free health care. let them live free!
Free the people now!
Right for rebilitation of criminals : criminals who run banks must follow islamic principles: therefore there will be less crime.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8025410.stm
S.

Written by: FredCDobbs This user is banned, 12 May 2009 7:03 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
More rubbish from ABC !
Written by: abc200, 12 May 2009 8:05 AM
From: United Kingdom
Yes, what is biting you? Dobbbs? Does the US just neeed a new banking system? Islamic banking is big in the UK.
S.
Written by: FredCDobbs This user is banned, 12 May 2009 10:05 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
a public flogging followed by deportation to Sodomy Arabia would be to good for you
Written by: abc200, 12 May 2009 10:22 AM
From: United Kingdom
sounds if you like to be out in the cold - a glacier in Alaska! You don't need a bank there! you can re habilitate from your life of crime in the land of broken down TV's by making ice sculptures.
must be a market there - polar bears make such cudly clients.
S.
Written by: abc200, 13 May 2009 3:36 PM
From: United Kingdom
US should do the right the thing - the cost is low - and rebilitate criminals - US could always use the labour when they are re-habilitated.
S.
Written by: abc200, 13 May 2009 3:36 PM
From: United Kingdom
US should do the right the thing - the cost is low - and rebilitate criminals - US could always use the labour when they are re-habilitated. They could always save the money by taking a couple of aircraft carriers out of service. They don't seem too effective at countering drug criminals or stopping hijackings. Amerika neesd educating. They are not much good at dealing with asymetric situations.
S.
Written by: angelamarie, 12 Jun 2009 9:45 PM
From: United States
I must say is not the freedom of speach a wonderful thing? We do have areas in the world that this dialog would never be allowed.

I work and live in the US as well as it is my birth place but that never makes me better than anyone else or the right to hurt another person, steal from them or bring harm in any way. Where I work is a very large hospital where we have physicians that are black men, physicians that are strong Indian women, and administration staff that are wonderful hispanic leaders.

On the other hand I have a very dear friend whom is hard working with a strong faith in God. As a young man on the streets of philadelphia made mistakes was sentenced and done the time. His words to me before he was sent back to the Dominican on May 18th was I have made peace with God and will do what I must. I have not head from him now for several weeks and am very worried about him. Some people never see their way clear of their false ways but some do. I say lets pray God bless all of
Written by: angelamarie, 12 Jun 2009 9:47 PM
From: United States
us and help us to be better people.

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