Don't know all the details regarding the protest in Navarrete, so I limited on how to respond. But I can say this.......What if Leader Rodolfo would considered the possibility of violence with Police ?
what if the Victim considered doing the alternative instead of clashing with Police ?. The end result will only serve as a battle cry for the injustice of it, meanwhile our little Brother will lay 6ft under leaving behind Family and Friends to wonder how and why ? what a waste of Human Life. While the leader will some how justify the cause. To me it sounds like The Leader" needs Leadership skills like Leading People out of the S%&# not into it. "REAL LEADERS LEAD BY EXAMPLE" the question is WHO IS THE REAL VICTIM ?. How many more VICTIMS.
I pray I'm not right.

Never underestimate MOB RULE. How will Rodolfo explain to the Mother of the Victim ? That he died for the right cause ? From the sound of it and by the end of this protest Rodolfo will have a blanket statement for all future VICTIMS. HOPE NOT ! "THE END NEVER JUSTIFIES THE MEANING".
Will somebody please fill me in on the details.............I'm lost for words.

There is peaceful protest then there is hooliganism.

Peaceful protest is a basic right.

Hooliganism should be stamped out in any way needed. If this "Protester" was throwing rocks at police or burning tires then his death could be considered an overreaction but was justified.

What ever down with Leonellypufta

Navarrete is a medium size town close to Santiago. I have been living in the DR for two years now and Navarrete has always been a thorn in the police’s side. This type a demonstration happens on a weakly basis. I have driven by there on my way to Puerto Plata and have seen SWAT teams getting ready to go in to town as early as 7:00 a.m. It is very sad, but taking a life in this country is no big deal. The police are not properly trained and in most cases they are bigger crooks than the tigers on the street. This is a beautiful country without any law. I have been robed of all my jewelry and the police dose nothing but ask for money to put gas in there car and buy them food. Then they just cruse around and do nothing to find the thieves. Last month my school got broke into and they made off with 5 computers and a laser printer. To this date nothing has been done about it. It’s the way of life here in the DR.

El Profe

ElProfe this is what I see these days also. It is a great injustice to the Dominican people as things werent always this way. There was a time when people helped each and didnt even think of stealing something because they would be caught and punished severely. Very few towns have this type of safe living anymore and the only people to blame are our government for not providing true leadership and a police force to be proud of.

Too many of the people who are supposed to look out for us and protect us are simply out to screw us.

VeronicaDR,
True my Dad used to say the same. I guess that answers the reason why so many People pack firearms legal or not, as this accounts for People taking the Law into there own hands......But, I still say form a Neighborhood watch type program with or without the Police's help. Get to know your Neighbors, by name and express your concerns, one can't live in a Neighborhood with out knowing the Bad Guys who live in it, right ! take caution, be Street savvy and refuse to be a victim you or your family depends on it, if not move out.

"take caution, be Street savvy and refuse to be a victim you or your family depends on it, if not move out."

mrios, truer words have never been spoken on the subject. I no longer live in the DR, I move out. Yes, being afraid was the reason.

"I have been living in the DR for two years now"

Profe, can you please tell without giving out to much....where you lived before moving to Navarrete? The reason for asking is that to many people visit this site only to take advantage of the generosity of DT to throw dirt at my country, you know////

pearls of wisdom from AnthonyC, as usual

Hooliganism should be stamped out in any way needed. If this "Protester" was throwing rocks at police or burning tires then his death could be considered an overreaction but was justified.

help me, anthony, as i am puzzled; how do you justify an overreaction? i always thought that, by definition, an overreaction is an unjustifiable response. are you , by chance, rewriting the dictionary? unsatisfied with the current contents? is the prototype almost ready for the press? will you copywright it? will it be in all languages? will it be free? (sorry; i take that back. guys like you do not understand that term) will the term "free" be in it? will a picture of Fidel be on the cover, or just McLame and SarahP.?keep me abreast of the latest bulletins. will you be offended if i keep it in the bathroom, just in case the tp falls in the bowl?

juango,
Remember living in fear is to be Human, but there comes a time where enough is enough ! and where must one draw the line. The crime problem is epidemic, poverty and crime go hand in hand. These criminals only have one rule....... self in mind and find ways to justify their means. I just keep one rule in mind, if they ask ? I'll give them what they need no problem live and let live, if by force, fear, threat, harm or even death then I'm left with no choice, it's me or them they'll meet GOD. The town of Navarrete did not become that way over night, were talking Towns Folks & Politicos over looking the problems, I bet the only old timers still living there are the elderly, poor and defenseless. The question I would ask.......What town is next ? try San Carlos, in my part of the World I'm told by Neighbors 3 weeks in advance before they leave for vacation, after all there Kids play with mine and I greet them in the mornings and week-ends, now that's trust.

mrios,
Neighborhood watch programs work great back in the states. I think they are GREAT, but here in the DR its not going to work. The rule here is like the three monkeys (hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil) or you will become a victim also. I have had great?? neighbors that have treated me very well. But when my school got broke into in broad day light, no one seen anything. Great neighbors would you say?

antonio1
In my post I never said that I lived in Navarrete, I said that I would drive by their on my way to Puerto Plata. I came to this beautiful island as a missionary with my church in Houston Texas. I was touched by the great need for education and the kindness that Dominican people express. So I went back home sold everything I could sell and came back to the DR to setup a school where I could teach American English in hopes of providing the students with a foundation to better there lives. When I first got here I went to live in the hottest section of Santiago called Cien Fuegos (100 fires). I was working with one of the biggest churches in Cien Fuegos to setup my school on the church grounds, but in a matter of a few weeks I realized that the pastor??? was a fake so I moved to Jarabacoa and setup my own school without anybodies help.

I am Cuban/American and as a Cuban we have many things in common with Dominicans. I am not here to bash any one, but to speak the truth of what I have seen with my own eyes. I can’t bash the government because our past president of the US George Weasel Bush screw the whole world. And Fidel Castro screwed my country.
We are all brothers and sisters in Gods name and we should all respect each others fortunes and misfortunes. You all see people pointing a finger at some one but they don’t realize that when they point a finger at someone they have three fingers pointing back at themselves. Maybe the hippies from the 60’s had the right idea. Pease, Love, No Wars

ElProfe,


I really, really, really HATE HIPPIES. They are a big part of the reason we are in this mess.

Keep bashing Bush. At least he isn't kissing the Castro brother's A-hole like Obama is.

ElProfe,
One has to look at the 60's from a different point of view.
Free love: got us unwanted pregnancies, STD's, Youth Demoralization of a Nation.
Drug culture: a Drug epidemic still felt to this Day.
Peace: the 60's generation was to change the World......Those of the 60's are now the ones in power and nothing has changed.
Protesting: first act of violent REBELLION against Society threw force.
Trust no one over 30, as if they won't age.
Catch phrase: "The worst thing that could happen would be to turn out like our Parents.
The 60's were the most violent decade in American History....Race Riots, Civil Rights, Assassination of a Civil Rights Leader, President, Senator, Cold War, Vietnam, the Generation Gap, Godless Theology and the age of Aquarius.
Hippies got their dress & Theology from Native Americans: sandles, long hair, beads etc..etc..
The 60's generation was to change to World for the better......NO !
Drugs + Youth + Rebellion + Godlessness = DISASTER.

ElProfe,
Look at this from even another angle.......
There is an Islamic Fundamentalist movement that would look at the DR with all it's Sex & prostitution, Crime, Drugs & alcohol & Godless living who would threw fanatic reasoning and would think nothing of destroying it, In there eyes the DR like the US is a Godless Country. And to think they'll do it all in the name GOD, rid / destroy / purge the World of evil, then go after the 70 Virgins.
I can't think of anything good coming from the 60's, can you.
I welcome your thoughts.............Take care Brother.

elprofe,
you might want to think about buying notebook computers and taking them home with you every night, but you will need a gun if you are walking around with 5 notebook computers

mrios,
I totaly agree with you. I was born in 1960 and my parents took me to the United States in 1966. We lived in Los Angles for six years and then moved to Texas. I lived in Texas untill two years ago when I came to the DR. The thing about the Hippies was me being a little sarcastic about the whole thing. I think the DR is a great country that needs a lot of help from the outside, and not more men comming hear to have a good time with the local women. The Dominican people are beautiful people. They just need to be tought the things that we have learned back home. This country is blessed by God. It is the only country that has an open Bible on there Flag and It says (God, Country and Liberity) God first.

ElProfe,

Now religion? You have totally lost me.

Anthony C gifts us with this

From: United States
ElProfe,


Now religion? You have totally lost me.

Profe, you have only accomplished one half of the task. now, can you finish the job and make sure he stays lost? just kidding, Anthony.

ElProfe,
No kidding, I was born in 1959 and came to Los Angeles in 1963 from the DR. The neighborhood I grew up in I had a lot of Cuban Friends, I remember as a Child going to Havana Bakery on Pico Blvd. near Hoover Ave. for the best Rum Cake and Flan in the US. When I went to Belmont H.S there were a lot of Cuban Families living around the Neighborhood, heck there was even a group of Cuban Youth who called them self's Los Kubas.
Regarding our Flag your right, we just need to live by it. The DR does need a lot of help Financially. I will be on a Early retirement and build a small house on my land, and always keep a open bank account in the PR.

As I said before Crime & Poverty go hand in hand, lick one you'll lick the other.

The same in Los Angeles, California and soon every where else in the U.S after
OBAMANOMICS

Take care Brother.

ElProfe,
And thinking of opening up a small business like a small gun shop and reload my own ammo with a out door short range shooting range, or start a competition shooting club.
One can never be too careful living in the DR, carelessness atracks crime, and remember the less People know about your personal life the better.

sheeesh!!! I am not surprised about what happened in Navarette today. It was Cinqo de Mayo and I was at my front porch watching the hooligism. Masked youths were dumping barrels of trash in the streets. It took me a while not to feel intimidated by their demonstration. I saw no property destruction, only littered streets. Their bitch was misuse of city money to fix the streets. I saw SWAT teams out in full gear. There was fear and intimidation, my neighbors were together in cleaning up at the end of the day. Call me naive, but I spent 3 months in Navarette and love it there, along with the rest of the RD. I am returning soon so live permanently. The people are friendly, and so are the Police. Believe me, I do not walk around late at night, and I am aware of the potential of a crime against my person. During the day, I never felt intimidated by anyone. I feel sorry for the family of the young man who was killed. But, I have seen the police in action early in the day, and

hey!el profe...... missionary with my church in Houston Texas, forget the dr.. go back home to TEXAS where you will have a REAL CHANCE to help people all kinds of people..... have know many pastors, and men of god that came to this island to try and help, forget it they all go from the island within a year or so {at least the ones that i have gotten to meet}.... so you found out the PASTOR was a fAKE!...... the whole island is one FAKE not only the pastor you met..... ITS ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS IN THE DR..... who can you TRUST?.... the pastor, the police, the meds they sell to their own people, ect.... i can go on forever, PLEASE GO BACK to TEXAS....., be thank god they did not steal all your money or other things that might be worth some money, im sure they have BORROW MONEY FROM YOU RIGHT?...... u will never see it back in this life or in HEAVEN

for mrios..... The DR does need a lot of help Financially this is what you wrote... have thought on this matter....... LET THE BASEBALL PLAYERS SOME WHO MAKE $80,000US A GAME why dont they help their own people?.. forget the little churchs they build outside santo domingo for lets say $5,000us.. its a joke, have other idea for the so called poor island.... in santo domingo and puerto plata, and santiago sell all the SUV';S all the fancy cars and trucks.. shit their are millions of them in theses cities of so called poor people..... lol..... its a rich country let them help them selfs....shit selling condos for $500,000us up to $1,0000,000us....... poor country....better look at other really poor countries in this world.the dr does dont know what poor is

like the cubans in miami.... so many of them have fancy cars, big boats, houses, and they or least most of them collect FOOD STAMPS... its a real SHAME, what they do in miami..... i know what im talking about had a SUPERMARKET in miami ... know what im saying. i hate this.... hope they rott in hell...... they steal from one great country that gives them a chance in life like no other countrie in the world would and yet they steak from the system...... let them, move to the dr.. lets see the government give them FREE MED, AND SECTION 8 FOR HOUSING, AND FOOD STAMPS...LOL almost forget the big gold they where around their necks....in cuba they ride a bike here they drive beautifull cars...... bullshit i say, and many of them curse the united states....

My Dear Brother danny00……This is a very informative web site with late breaking news of the things that are going on in the DR. Why is it that people such as yourself have to come here and insult others. In my post I NEVER SAID that I was a pastor. I came here to teach American English to the local youth. Yes I am a Missionary on a mission to help. Please check out http://www.myspace.com/academialatinaamericana . Now I would like to know why, If the Dominican Republic is such a bad place, why would you consider moving here in the first place. Also, I speak both English and Spanish fluently and for your information I am a Cuban / American. I don’t think you are correct when you state that the Cubans in Miami are on food stamps and section 8. The Cubans in Miami own Miami. The work very hard for a living and pay taxes. They are also very educated. Just look at how many of your so called section 8 Cubans are part of the Unites States Government.

OK I am now ready to make you a personal offer. When and if you do decide to move to the Dominican Republic, I would like to offer you free English writing classes as a good gesture. I have 12 year old Dominican students that can write three paragraphs with proper English Grammar.


To my Dear Brother mrios from Cali, Yo Bro. I just realized that the Katrina trailers in New Orleans have internet service. I wonder if they can be put into a container and shipped the Dominican Republic. If so we might have one on the way soon. Now the Dominican’s are going to learn the American Secret of a cheep way to build a house. Who knows that might start a chain reaction and we would get all the trailer trash moving to the Dominican Republic. That just what this rich country needs. God bless the Dominican Republic!!! Amen Amen Amen

ElProfe,
Now that's a great idea moving the Katrina Trailers to the DR, I heard they are selling for under $5,000.00 usd in great used condition fully equipped, sad part is some People in New Orleans don't realize the Trailers are in much better condition then their old apartments were prior to the Hurricane.
Danny 00,
Are you sure they were Cubans not Haitians PR's or even DOMINICANOS ? Trash comes in all colors, shapes, Nationalities etc..etc.. Most Cubans I've meet in Calif. are hard working People with strong Family ties. Are you sure your not talking about California. You should visit our Hood's with section-8, Gang infested Drug dealing youth and high Crime rate. I think that happens when the GOV. gives gives and gives, and depend on the GOV. for help, there is no incentive to work, earning your way and striving for a better life....Hope $$$ goes from Dope to hell NOPE. lets see after this X-Mas season the US economy shape will be in.
Take care Guys.