SPECIAL FOR DOMINICAN TODAY
SANTO DOMINGO.- Installing programs all over the country, what is known as humanitarian missionaries from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormon) work with Dominicans and Dominican companies to help people on the island.
The Mormon church has a missionary program in which members of the church can volunteer to go to a different place to teach people about the church and do service for 18 or 24 months. The humanitarian missionaries are included in this program, but sent out to specifically serve and help the people of an area.
The church has five major project areas when it comes to helping people, some countries only focus on one or two of these areas, but the Dominican Republic missionaries focus on all five. They include are vision, wheelchairs, water, food production, and neo-natal. Each of these programs is organized by the humanitarian missionaries, but ran by local organizations and the people themselves.
"We usually partner with other organizations because we don't have the expertise," says Mike Francom from Idaho, who serves as one of the two humanitarian missionaries over the Dominican Republic with his wife, Lorna.
"The idea is that the church wants to make the people self-sustaining," says Mike. With his wife, seminars are organized in which Dominicans from all over come to learn, they then go out and teach what they have learned to so many more people. It is not just teaching one person, but rather teaching an entire community who in turn can teach other communities. The most recent of these was a clean water seminar in a campo near Bonao.
"The community takes responsibility for pumps...if we can get the community to take care of themselves then we've accomplished something," says Mike regarding the system used for clean water. He explains that about 30% of the pumps installed by outside organizations don't work any more, but they aim to keep all their pumps working, to continually teach the community how to care for them to keep them running.
Besides the most recent project of installing pumps for clean water, many other projects have been implemented by the LDS humanitarian missionaries.
These have been broad and included putting roofs on schools, donating wheelchairs, prosthetics , tires for medical trucks and gardening tools among others.
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Go ahead. Be a do-gooder!
The moment you'll turn your back on them, they'll sell the pumps!
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
they know that Walter but it still does not stop them from trying....They are truly a positive organization in this country to help the needy but keep an eye out for the greedy pump sellers
From: Dominican Republic
If you were to strip this country of all the Christian based NGO's, it would be terrible for very many people.....great to see good being done even by a group that is not Christian.
Written by: bebus, 22 Jun 2009 2:27 PM
From: United States
cabaretewilliam, These "Mormons" are very much Christian. After all the real name of their church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Being the name of their church contains the name of Christ, and the fact that they believe and worship him, would qualify them to be considered "Christian".
Written by: Banana, 22 Jun 2009 3:49 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Bebus is right--it is right there in the name. Maybe a typo on Cabaretewilliam's part. . .
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Mormones - fuera
Written by: bebus, 22 Jun 2009 4:25 PM
From: United States
miloskorac, the references you sited are about an entirely different organization than The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Fundamentalist groups like those talked about in your linked articles are not at all affiliated or associated with the church that is talked about in this article. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not practice polygamy.
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
Milos you dont want people to think you are a religious bigot do you ? especially after all that ethnic cleansing stuff that went on in your country so be nice with the mormons are you an anti semite as well?
Written by: Banana, 22 Jun 2009 4:33 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
miloskorac--I can speak from knowledge and experience, and I'm sure you'll have others comment to support what I'm saying.
First, all of those articles you site are about sects and fundamentalist or break-offs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Any member associating with any of these break-off groups--even if they claim to be Mormon--will be excommunicated. The LDS church forbids the practice of polygamy and upholds all laws of the lands--particularly those pertaining to any sort of abuse of any kind.
Second, please feel free to tour any and all LDS church buildings throught the DR. While I have not toured them all, I have seen and been to a number of them in the DR, and all of them are one of the nicest buildings in the area. Most evident of this is the LDS temple in the picture above, of which you are welcome to walk the grounds (respectfully as it is a special place to Mormons).
Not sure why people like to flame other churches just trying to do good.
Written by: Banana, 22 Jun 2009 4:36 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Also, Miloskorac, you might want to check out the original sources rather than sources that either have nothing to do with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or have something against them. Either way the information is extremely inaccurate at best.
www.mormon.org
www.lds.org
www.providentliving.org
Good luck!
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
FredCDobbs, I was wondering when you are going to creep out.
So it not about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but the fundamentalists and break offs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
I am Orthodox anyway...
http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=1260As previously, most physical attacks have been on Seventh-day Adventist and Jehovah's Witnesses properties, and attacks on Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (commonly known as Mormons) properties have risen. As in earlier years, a number of Serbian Orthodox churches and monasteries have also suffered attacks. Attacks on some Jehovah's Witness and Seventh-day Adventist properties have become so common that community members have stopped counting how many times they have been attacked.
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
Milos sorry but your post speaks for itself . in it you say ........." In 2001 we rented a house in Duarte, main street of Maimon. Before us there was a Mormon church there.
This unholy sect, was not paying electricity at all. House was dirty, all that was left was "Gnosis" written all over the house.
More examples how mormons acts, and who are these Satan people:" ............THAT IS PRETTY HEAVY STUFF...............please clarify how you feel about the Mormon religion so that you will not leave any doubts with us that you are not a BIGOT.....Thank you in advance
From: United States
nice, dirtbag Will the Shill. stir up a hornet's nest, then run away, like the coward you are.
From: Dominican Republic
hey dreadsy, back to name calling? Why not do research.
Cults deny one or more of the essential doctrines believed by 100% of Christians and their churches. Which ones (plural) do the Mormons deny?
From: Dominican Republic
"To fairly and accurately resolve this question we need to carefully compare the basic doctrines of the Mormon religion with the basic doctrines of historic, biblical Christianity."
http://www.irr.org/mit/is-mormonism-christian.htmlOnly for people who want to know!
http://www.bcmmin.org/whymm.htmlIs the Mormon church a Christian denomination?' NO. Mormonism is not Christian because it denies some of the essential doctrines of Christianity, including: 1) the deity of Christ, 2) salvation by grace, and 3) the bodily resurrection of Christ. Furthermore, Mormon doctrine contradicts the Christian teaching of monotheism and undermines the authority and reliability of the Bible.
From: Dominican Republic
Mormons may be nice people and do good work, but they deny Jesus as God and they put the fiction The Book Of Mormon above the BIble. The book of Mormon actually has whole sections copied from the King James Bible, including the translation errors found in the King JAmes, but Mormons claim angels gave it to Joe Smith (the PEDOPHILE "prophet")
From: Dominican Republic
http://www.jhuccp.org/pr/j41/j41chap1_2.shtmlSo perhaps more for my own benefit than anyone else's, it helps to understand the context from within which we assess the lecherous scumbag known as Joseph Smith. We don't know if he had sex with prepubescent children, therefore we don't know if he was truly a pedophile. We don't know if the teenaged girls he married and/or had sex with were sexually mature or not.
But regardless of whether they were sexually mature or not, something in us is sickened by the thoughts of them being coerced into any kind of relationship with this lecher who was pretending to use god as his motivator.
Joseph Smith was not the first, nor will he be the last, to prey upon young girls for sexual gratification. And that in no way justifies his actions. But in aiming for accuracy in trying to describe Joseph Smith, there are a lot of words other than pedophile that do the job more saliently and succinctly.
Lecherous scumbag keeps coming to mind for some
From: United States
yes, Joseph Smith was a dirtbag and lowlife, two appelations with which you are eminently familiar. having delivered the flagellation which he soundly deserves, how about a scholarly assessment of your Evangelical bedfellows? can we start with the Dutch Reformed Church, and its positions on apartheid, perhaps?
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
I can not judge the mormons, as I am Orthodox, let the mormons judge them selves.
The house of my grand mother is older than the history of mormons, so its easy to track it.
O lets say Joseph Smith's Blasphemous description of god min!
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
MILOS SAYS HE CANNOT JUDGE I QUOTE AGAIN........."
This unholy sect, was not paying electricity at all. House was dirty, all that was left was "Gnosis" written all over the house.More examples how mormons acts, and who are these Satan people:" ...........If thats not judging I will take the chair............... "Who are these Satan People" ? and unholy sect
From: Dominican Republic
Dreadsy likes to change the subject - part of the multiple personality problem he has :)
Written by: mrios, 23 Jun 2009 9:25 AM
From: United States
CaberetteWilliam,
Thank's for your input....here's more.
Mormons are Christians ?
One has to look at the history of the Church.....
The word Mormon comes from a first century self named Saint MORMANY, who is supposed to have been with Jesus during the lost years. They claim they visited America 2000 years ago. They also claim to have new secret written scriptures of the Bible written on gold tablets buried of all places New York called the book of "Mormons". Little is known about Brigham Young and Joseph Smith the Church's founder, those are Church secrets, why ?. But one thing is curtain the practice of more then one Wife was later outlawed by the Church during the 60's, Mr Brigham & Mr. Smith were known to have Wives on the side. also in order to help the Church grow Brigham supported the idea of polygamy thus the old saying "BRING THEM YOUNG". During their flight from the east coast Brigham to what is known as the Mormon Capital of the World Salt Lake City,USA
part 2 next
Written by: mrios, 23 Jun 2009 9:51 AM
From: United States
Part 2
Brigham interpreted the Salt Flats as a scripture in the Bible "Salt". Nothing is spoken regarding the murder and Harsh treatment of the Native Americans, the Church is soaked with Blood. Now that's something to ponder about....Don't be fooled by there good works, it's followed by there Church indoctrination and false teaching.
NO WRITTEN BOOK ON EARTH WILL EVER, RIVAL THE HOLY BIBLE.
In case you guys are wondering, I have Mormon Neighbors who claim the book of "MORONS" is above the Bible. If I were to write ALL there beliefs down in this posting it would shake and shock you down to the core. Bottom line is......
MORMONS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS...........MORMONS ARE MORMONIES, the word CHRISTIAN comes from FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST.
Written by: mrios, 23 Jun 2009 10:01 AM
From: United States
Back in early 1900's books were written about the History of the Mormon Church in which there are different levels of Heaven and threw good works can reach God like status, only to be banned by the Mormon Church of Utah. They are ashamed of their History.
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Fred C. Dobbs - Movie Character
John Huston's masterpiece about what "gold does to men's souls" captures the moral complexity and mordant irony of B. Traven's classic novel. "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre" follows the fortunes of three down-and-out American prospectors searching for treasure in Mexico. Humphrey Bogart's scruffy, venal Fred C. Dobbs becomes consumed with greed, lacking the decency of Tim Holt's character or the wisdom of the grizzled old-timer played by Walter Huston (the director's father). The picaresque milieu of flophouses, saloons, desert trails, and makeshift mine shafts is vividly rendered by the director and cinematographer Ted McCord. Both Hustons won Oscars for their work in this timeless reflection of the dark side of human nature.
You will never have Xochma or will be Xacham.
From: Dominican Republic, Dando pela en las 5 esquinas
Mr. Cabarette comments shows why he and his neoconservative bretheren nominated senile warmonger John Mcain over the more qualified Mitt Romney.
Base on his past comments I will describe Mr.Cabarette as an Ayatollah or "divine one"
From: Dominican Republic
Again, Dufus, I am Canadian. I did not nominate either. I would have much preferred the more qualified Mitt Romney. I know he would have beaten Obama no problem! This discussion is about if Morons, sorry, Mormons, are Christians. They are NOT and only pretend to be to get more converts from Christian churches. Real Mormons know this. As for qualified to govern, Martin Luthor said "I would prefer to be ruled by a competant Turk than an incompetant Christian". Get it?
And yes, my wife calls me divine one!
From: United States
the canadian crud gambles
Again, Dufus, I am Canadian. I did not nominate either. I would have much preferred the more qualified Mitt Romney. I know he would have beaten Obama no problem!
listening to the ravings of idiots like this speaks to the fact that countries should not permit idiot foreigners of this stature to live within their borders. apart from being a rank dirtbag and liar, this particular exemplar just serves to degenerate the quality of life. into the sea with him, i say. or hand him over to his neighbors, who, from recent accounts, despise him with a passion.
From: Dominican Republic
blather, more boring childish an unoriginal insults, why not actually discuss some of the posts? Oh, not capabale, so sad :(
Written by: Banana, 23 Jun 2009 4:58 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
I'm not here to inflame, only to clarify. I am a Mormon, and should anyone want to know about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints I am more than happy to answer those who are sincere. The comments that have been recently written are completely false, and those who wrote them clearly know nothing about the LDS religion. It is obvious they have not even done a cursory exploration of the LDS Church's very own websites. When I want to learn about something, I go directly to that source and not to people who are vehemently opposed to it. Then, one can judge for themselves.
So, do I ask an anti-Mormon about what Mormons believe, or do I ask a Mormon what a Mormon believes?
Of those above who made comments, have you ever read The Book of Mormon--which contains absolutely nothing contradictory to the Bible? Have you actually attended an LDS church service? Have you actually ever talked to a Mormon? Have you ever met with LDS missionaries? You are always welcome to.
Written by: Banana, 23 Jun 2009 5:17 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
For those truly interested, our basic beliefs are that Jesus Christ is our Savior, that we may be saved through his grace after all we can do (i.e. living as he taught us to live and not just professing his name while not keeping any of his commandments).
We believe in one God--our Eternal Father and His Son, Jesus Christ.
We believe God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and therefore loves His children as he loved them in days past. He guides them, speaks to them and witnesses to them just as He has through the generations past. Therefore, we believe that He has once again established His gospel through prophets and apostles. We firmly believe that the Bible is God's word, and that God brought His truth to other people on this earth, and continues to do so. The Book of Mormon is ancient scripture written by people living in the Americas before and after Christ's time. These people brought Biblical scriptures from Jerusalem and quoted from these prophets, i.e. Isaiah.
Written by: Banana, 23 Jun 2009 5:20 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Again, for correct and accurate information, please see:
www.mormon.org
www.lds.org
www.providentliving.org
From: Dominican Republic
No book from God’s hand will contain factual mistakes because He does not make mistakes. By definition, He is omniscient and perfect in all His ways (cf. Psalm 139:1-6; 1 John 3:20). The truth is, however, they do contradict one another.
Simply put, if both the Bible and the Book of Mormon were inspired by God, then they never would contradict each other. However, since they do disagree with one another (in a number of places), the Book of Mormon is obviously a fraud, written by con men, not inspired men
From: Dominican Republic
Similar to the insecure person who hangs around the rich and famous for the sole reason of establishing himself, the Book of Mormon has attempted to make a name for itself by “cozying up to” the Bible. The very first line in the “Introduction” to the Mormons’ revered text states: “The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible.” Even the Book of Mormon’s subtitle (“Another Testament of Jesus Christ”—emp. added) lends credibility to the Bible. Obviously, the Mormons have attempted to give credence to their scripture by comparing it to the Bible. Furthermore, a crucial element of the Mormon religion found in their Article of Faith #8 says: “We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God” (emp. added). If both the Bible and the Book of Mormon are inspired by God, then reason demands that they must never contradict one another.
Written by: Banana, 23 Jun 2009 5:32 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
As for the extremely defammatory, hideously untruthful, completely wrong comments made about Joseph Smith, nothing could be further from the truth. Any accurate, historical documents and records will reveal that this man faithfully served his family (of which he had only one wife in his lifetime), his country, and his God. There are plenty of writings out there that will say whatever they want to claim--but none are accurate or historically founded. Please research from credible sources.
Also, the "Saint Mormany" gave me quite a chuckle! There is no end to the funny twists that those who have not studied the LDS church come up with. The sad thing is that lies turn into truths when nobody intelligently researches or seeks to understand.
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon for a good explanation of where the term/name "Mormon" came from. It's actually quite simple.
There is nothing "secret" in our church--only "sacred." Those that truly want to know are welcome!
Written by: Aissedei, 23 Jun 2009 5:39 PM
From: Puerto Rico, On a rock.. PR
I'm not really religious in any way shape or form but many family members are Mormon. Whether you consider them "Christian" or not I suppose is debatable but if your going to judge all Mormons based on a few extremist or break off sects or based on some ideology that you probably know nothing about remember the same can be done for any of the various "Christian" groups. How many of them don't have some sort of extremist sect or break off group or a scandal in their past that has given them a bad name at some point?
From what I’ve seen of the Mormons they’d probably be good for DR. As a whole they’ve always seemed to be very centered around continued education, self sufficiency and service to the church and government, which wouldn’t be such a bad thing for DR. Look at what they’re doing above, they’re trying to improve people’s lives through educating them to do things themselves rather than just shove some money at them.. how is that a bad thing?
Written by: Banana, 23 Jun 2009 5:46 PM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Cabarete--
I am really puzzled. Those scriptures in no way contradict our beliefs. TRUST ME--I'M A MORMON! ( i.e. We don't believe we existed before Christ or God).
Aditionally, I am extremely puzzled for 2 reasons:
First, why you don't site Mormon sources on what Mormons believe.
Second, why you feel that you have to bash the LDS church and what they believe (let alone the fact that I have yet to read anything you say that is accurate). I appreciate that you believe in Christ and want to share with others. Let's look for the good in each other rather than contending--which Christ specifically said is of the devil.
I will not banter. You have access to any LDS information that is out there. You should not be afraid to research and quote from them. They will speak for themselves. Otherwise, there is no need to discuss anything further.
From: Dominican Republic
Banana, simple problem. Joe Smith claimed angels gave him the Moronic Scripture. Yes?. The Book Of Mormon quotes whole passages from the King James Bible, word for word. Correct? Yes! Now we know from the Dead Sea Scrolls original Hebrew that the King James has some translation errors. Why would these angels not know that? Why would they dictate to Joey the errors and not give it to him in Hebrew with the corrections? Answer: Joey ws a great scam artist. There were no angels dictating. He copied the errors from the King James. End of discussion!
From: Dominican Republic
First, why you don't site Mormon sources on what Mormons believe?
I did - all the sites I sent you have a host of direct quotes from the Book of Mormon and it compares them with what the Bible says. They contradict in very serious ways.
The secret initiation rites of the higher levels of mormons are a copy of the Masonic rites - in some cases almost identical. Joey S. was kicked out of the Masons. That is a fact of history. So is the fact that he had child brides. We are not discussing history from 200 years ago. Just 150 years ago, The testimony is there.
Written by: mrios, 23 Jun 2009 8:50 PM
From: United States
Bananarama,
I have a couple questions to ask since you claim to be Mormon.
Have you made your prophecy and has it come true yet ?
What Spiritual level are you at ?
Are able to heel yet ?
Are you an Elder ?
What Country did you serve your mission in ?
Do you serve Mormanie or Jesus ?
Did Jesus came back in 1900's ?
Did you fast for 5 days in order to see your vision and did you wear all white ?
Point to me where in the Bible Saint Mornany is written !
If you claim to be Christian then READ YOUR BIBLE !
And quit following false Prophets.
I do admire your Religion's sense of Unity and Family, that's all.
Religion is Man made, Christianity is GOD SENT. .
Then get back to us with your answers. I serve JESUS that's why I call my self Christian, followers of the Living God.
Men see and don't see, Men hear and don't really hear, REAL MEN ARE OPEN TO THE TRUTH.
Take care.
Written by: mrios, 23 Jun 2009 9:31 PM
From: United States
Bananarama,
Which Christ ? there is but only ONE CHRIST who suffered and died on the cross FOR ALL MANKIND SINS, read Johns 3:16....Did I miss the name Saint Mormany ? The Bible warns all about false Prophets.
There is good and bad in every Man.
Jesus is not 20 feet tall either as pictured in some of the Leaflets that were given to me by your Church Elders of the LDS .
I have meet many missionaries, even offered them a cup of ice cold beverages after there long bicycle rides, but still they refuse to answer or comment they just ask me to read the "Book of Mormon " not the "Book of GOD.....The BIBLE.
The Mormon Church is very picky on what information is released. Why not release the truth "The TRUTH IS WHAT SETS YOU FREE" anyway.
One cannot serve two Gods, for one loves one and hates the other.
I'll be waiting for your answer for the World to read.
Take care.
Written by: abc200, 23 Jun 2009 9:56 PM
From: United Kingdom
CW gets confused - he was giving me alist of great chritians that included LDS member Donny Osmond!
S.
Written by: Banana, 24 Jun 2009 4:40 AM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
I admit I'm human and am taking the bait. It's just so hard to read your responses that are totally ridiculous. Your declarations of the LDS faith would be laughable (ie "Saint Mormany"-never heard of him!!) if it weren't so sad. Your statements are so grossly in error I just don't know where to start. It would take a number of postings and I don't have the time or desire to "argue" with somebody who discounts what I believe, even though I'm telling them myself.
AGAIN, i f you truly want to know what we believe you are still free to go to any and all LDS sites, churches, members, missionaries, leaders, texts, universities, etc., etc. and study all of your questions within correct, accurate, and historical context and with a desire to learn rather than to make unkind, disrespectful, and unproductive comments.
I appreciate your belief in God and Christ and hopefully the good you're doing if you're truly following them in word and deed--by love and kindness.
Written by: mrios, 24 Jun 2009 9:09 AM
From: United States
Brother Bananarama,
Sorry if I offended you, as you may have heard the LDS was a spear head for the legal Gay Marriage proposal in California which thank GOD was defeated, also the LDS Church's stance on the abortion issues Abortion is Murder, which again I agree. I wish and pray that the DR gets a lesson on Responsibility, the real meaning of Family, Unity and to start helping one another.
Regarding bait ? again I quite don't understand I was only questioning your beliefs.
Just so you know I myself have a few blood family members who are also LDS converts.
Take care.
From: Dominican Republic
Bananarama,
Please at least take a look at the sites I sent you to. The list dozens of clear contradictions between Mormanism and historic Christianity. You know this. Stop lying to yourself and others.
Question: If Joe Smith and his replacements, the LDS leadership, were of God, why did they refuse blacks as members until a few years ago???? WHY???? The Bible clearly is against racists. Paul said that in Christ race did not matter, we are all equally loved. Your "inspired" cultand leaders said and did the opposite. So much for your "prophet" being of God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacks_and_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement Now no BS please- the article quotes FROM YOUR OWN PROPHET!!! Was he wrong. Do you reject him and his teachings about blacks? Hey DR posters, they would not allow a black into the preisthood (all white Mormon males get into it - and without it you cannot be saved - so blacks were blocked this essential rite) until 1978. DUH! Oh, a new revelation came along?
From: Dominican Republic
After over a 100 years of keeping black males out of the essential step of becoming a "GOD", all those poor black men lost any hope of salvation, until 1978 when a nbew revelation came along that said old "prophet Joey" got it ALL WRONG!!! He taught that people with balck skin are cursed, a sign of sin. Mormons were White Supremecists of the worst sort until the 70's and the ACLU caught up with them. If they had any integrity or guts, they would have stood b y the theology and practice of their PROPHET! Regardless of the times! Mormonism is a dangerous cult with massive financial clout, very much given to secrecy.
Written by: Banana, 24 Jun 2009 9:38 AM
From: Heard Island and McDonald Islands
mrios: Excellent! Truce--I love it much better this way. . . .
And the bait part--meaning to engage the discussion in a defensive way. I'd rather avoid conflict and find similarities rather than point out differences.
And keep an eye on your crazy, Mormon relatives. :-)
ps--cabarete, etc. , please see my last post. Many people quote scriptures and statements, but they are taken out of context and then explained from a totally different perspective. Anyone can do that about anybody and their religious beliefs. I wish I had the time to explain, but if you truly want to know what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes, just go to THEIR site--not other sources!! Trust me, there are lengthy articles, all the scriptures, quotes from the leaders, news, etc. addressing everything you've asked about. It's ALL there. . .go to the "search" window at the top of the homepage. And watch for people with 2 faces on this site. . .
From: Dominican Republic
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) cannot escape their racist past. For nearly 150 years, the Mormon Church had taught that ALL blacks were cursed. Hence, a black Mormon male could not hold the highly regarded LDS Priesthood1 because of his dark skin. And since he could not hold this Priesthood, he could not enter the Mormon Temple. This doctrine in no way, shape, or form can be substantiated in Scripture. Only in the LDS scriptures does this racist doctrine exist.
From: Dominican Republic
Brigham Young second President and Prophet:
You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. . . . Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which was the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another cursed is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the "servants of servants;" and they will be until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree (Journal) Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be.
From: Dominican Republic
So, there you have it in their own words. A cult is always a cult, following a false prophet. Mahummad or Joey Smith. Same thing!
Written by: eugenia1, 24 Jun 2009 9:33 PM
From: United States
los mormones son muy buenos. y ojala que ellos lodren cambiar el corason de aunque sean 20 dominicanos ya eso seria bastante yo los conosi en un estado y son los relijiosos mas dedicados que yo he conocido y lleban muy bien su religion yo espero que dios los ayude en su mision en republica dominicana que se nesesita bastante alla. bamos todos a pedirle a DIOS todos los dias por nuestro pais que si mucha jente lo hace al mismo tiempo DIOS escucha.
From: Dominican Republic
this is an ENGLISH forum....duh
From: United States
the Yukon Yokel advises
this is an ENGLISH forum....duh
last time i checked, it was called DOMINICAN TODAY. duh...
Written by: mrios, 25 Jun 2009 9:45 AM
From: United States
Bananarama,
You should really take a good look into Religions History, you may be shocked, your Religion has changed Church Doctrine many times in the last 150 years, if one knew the real untold History of the Mormon Church Founders then and only then would you question your Church. I have friends who lived in Utah during the 1960's and the stories they would tell me about living in Salt Lake City being non-Mormon.
CabaretteWilliam,
It seems to me the LDS's always uses the same tactic give give give in order to recruit new members, good works is no way a guarantee into Heaven. The info you just provided hits the nail right on the head. I just hope bananarama opens his Heart and SOUL to the truth.
I have not yet heard the LDS ever admitting faults / errors of there past......is one thing, but.....Denying the Truth is above all. There Mormon's followers of Man made Saint Mormanie ,not Christians who are followers of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
TAKE CARE AND GOD BLESS.
Written by: mrios, 25 Jun 2009 10:20 AM
From: United States
Eugenia 1,
With all due respect, I have to say....You sound like a sales Person for the LDS Church.
Have you gone on your mission yet ?
What rank are you in the LDS Church ?
What level of Godliness are you at ?
Have you made your Man made Prediction yet ?
Has it come to pass yet ?
Have you been to the Temple in Utah ?
Do you have access to Top Church secrets ?
Have seen and read the Golden Tablets ?
If you answered no to all the above then your not a LDS Elder just a member working your way to Godliness, good luck !
Funny as a Christian the only thing I was promised was TRUTH, SALVATION and EVER LASTING LIFE, Thank GOD.
Take care.
From: Dominican Republic
last time i checked, it was called DOMINICAN TODAY. duh...
Yes Dreadsy boy "DOMINICAN" & "TODAY" just both happen to be English words, perhaps you did not notice DUH :) as this is an English language site
From: United States
man, you really are stupid. it is a forum intended to address issues in the Dominican Republic. by virtue of that reality, i am sure it expects input from dominicans, however sporadic that might be. and ,since someof them are in their country, they will be inclined to speak spanish. then again, i forgot. they should shut up and be quiet, and listen to gringo. how much spanish can you speak, by the way?
From: Dominican Republic
You wrote in English. HA! So you agree with my original point: this is an ENGLISH LANGUAGE SITE. So why did you pick a fight? Because I have you wrapped arounf my finger and you are to stupid to know when you are beaten! My first language was Dutch, I remain fluent. Second English, third French (Canada) and the last one a very passable Spanish. Enough German to get buy.
From: United States
william, i really do myself a disservice when i discourse with you, because you have the intelligence quotient of , say, a 5 year old. here does it say in the regulations of this site that DT is an english language site? the fact that it caters to people who speak english, does not make it an english speaking site. you are just another foul gringo who is mad at the Dominicans who do not try to learn English, so gringo can understand them.
From: Dominican Republic
Duh, why would they have to state it is English Language? So people like you who are to dumb to come to that conclusion on their own can finally figure it out???????? Really now LOL. Why are all your posts in English if this is a Spanish language site? LOL
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The moment you'll turn your back on them, they'll sell the pumps!
First, all of those articles you site are about sects and fundamentalist or break-offs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Any member associating with any of these break-off groups--even if they claim to be Mormon--will be excommunicated. The LDS church forbids the practice of polygamy and upholds all laws of the lands--particularly those pertaining to any sort of abuse of any kind.
Second, please feel free to tour any and all LDS church buildings throught the DR. While I have not toured them all, I have seen and been to a number of them in the DR, and all of them are one of the nicest buildings in the area. Most evident of this is the LDS temple in the picture above, of which you are welcome to walk the grounds (respectfully as it is a special place to Mormons).
Not sure why people like to flame other churches just trying to do good.
www.mormon.org
www.lds.org
www.providentliving.org
Good luck!
So it not about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but the fundamentalists and break offs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
I am Orthodox anyway...
http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=1260
As previously, most physical attacks have been on Seventh-day Adventist and Jehovah's Witnesses properties, and attacks on Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (commonly known as Mormons) properties have risen. As in earlier years, a number of Serbian Orthodox churches and monasteries have also suffered attacks. Attacks on some Jehovah's Witness and Seventh-day Adventist properties have become so common that community members have stopped counting how many times they have been attacked.
This unholy sect, was not paying electricity at all. House was dirty, all that was left was "Gnosis" written all over the house.
More examples how mormons acts, and who are these Satan people:" ............THAT IS PRETTY HEAVY STUFF...............please clarify how you feel about the Mormon religion so that you will not leave any doubts with us that you are not a BIGOT.....Thank you in advance
Cults deny one or more of the essential doctrines believed by 100% of Christians and their churches. Which ones (plural) do the Mormons deny?
http://www.irr.org/mit/is-mormonism-christian.html
Only for people who want to know!
http://www.bcmmin.org/whymm.html
Is the Mormon church a Christian denomination?' NO. Mormonism is not Christian because it denies some of the essential doctrines of Christianity, including: 1) the deity of Christ, 2) salvation by grace, and 3) the bodily resurrection of Christ. Furthermore, Mormon doctrine contradicts the Christian teaching of monotheism and undermines the authority and reliability of the Bible.
So perhaps more for my own benefit than anyone else's, it helps to understand the context from within which we assess the lecherous scumbag known as Joseph Smith. We don't know if he had sex with prepubescent children, therefore we don't know if he was truly a pedophile. We don't know if the teenaged girls he married and/or had sex with were sexually mature or not.
But regardless of whether they were sexually mature or not, something in us is sickened by the thoughts of them being coerced into any kind of relationship with this lecher who was pretending to use god as his motivator.
Joseph Smith was not the first, nor will he be the last, to prey upon young girls for sexual gratification. And that in no way justifies his actions. But in aiming for accuracy in trying to describe Joseph Smith, there are a lot of words other than pedophile that do the job more saliently and succinctly.
Lecherous scumbag keeps coming to mind for some
The house of my grand mother is older than the history of mormons, so its easy to track it.
O lets say Joseph Smith's Blasphemous description of god min!
This unholy sect, was not paying electricity at all. House was dirty, all that was left was "Gnosis" written all over the house.More examples how mormons acts, and who are these Satan people:" ...........If thats not judging I will take the chair............... "Who are these Satan People" ? and unholy sect
Thank's for your input....here's more.
Mormons are Christians ?
One has to look at the history of the Church.....
The word Mormon comes from a first century self named Saint MORMANY, who is supposed to have been with Jesus during the lost years. They claim they visited America 2000 years ago. They also claim to have new secret written scriptures of the Bible written on gold tablets buried of all places New York called the book of "Mormons". Little is known about Brigham Young and Joseph Smith the Church's founder, those are Church secrets, why ?. But one thing is curtain the practice of more then one Wife was later outlawed by the Church during the 60's, Mr Brigham & Mr. Smith were known to have Wives on the side. also in order to help the Church grow Brigham supported the idea of polygamy thus the old saying "BRING THEM YOUNG". During their flight from the east coast Brigham to what is known as the Mormon Capital of the World Salt Lake City,USA
part 2 next
Brigham interpreted the Salt Flats as a scripture in the Bible "Salt". Nothing is spoken regarding the murder and Harsh treatment of the Native Americans, the Church is soaked with Blood. Now that's something to ponder about....Don't be fooled by there good works, it's followed by there Church indoctrination and false teaching.
NO WRITTEN BOOK ON EARTH WILL EVER, RIVAL THE HOLY BIBLE.
In case you guys are wondering, I have Mormon Neighbors who claim the book of "MORONS" is above the Bible. If I were to write ALL there beliefs down in this posting it would shake and shock you down to the core. Bottom line is......
MORMONS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS...........MORMONS ARE MORMONIES, the word CHRISTIAN comes from FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST.
John Huston's masterpiece about what "gold does to men's souls" captures the moral complexity and mordant irony of B. Traven's classic novel. "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre" follows the fortunes of three down-and-out American prospectors searching for treasure in Mexico. Humphrey Bogart's scruffy, venal Fred C. Dobbs becomes consumed with greed, lacking the decency of Tim Holt's character or the wisdom of the grizzled old-timer played by Walter Huston (the director's father). The picaresque milieu of flophouses, saloons, desert trails, and makeshift mine shafts is vividly rendered by the director and cinematographer Ted McCord. Both Hustons won Oscars for their work in this timeless reflection of the dark side of human nature.
You will never have Xochma or will be Xacham.
Mr. Cabarette comments shows why he and his neoconservative bretheren nominated senile warmonger John Mcain over the more qualified Mitt Romney.
Base on his past comments I will describe Mr.Cabarette as an Ayatollah or "divine one"
And yes, my wife calls me divine one!
Again, Dufus, I am Canadian. I did not nominate either. I would have much preferred the more qualified Mitt Romney. I know he would have beaten Obama no problem!
listening to the ravings of idiots like this speaks to the fact that countries should not permit idiot foreigners of this stature to live within their borders. apart from being a rank dirtbag and liar, this particular exemplar just serves to degenerate the quality of life. into the sea with him, i say. or hand him over to his neighbors, who, from recent accounts, despise him with a passion.
So, do I ask an anti-Mormon about what Mormons believe, or do I ask a Mormon what a Mormon believes?
Of those above who made comments, have you ever read The Book of Mormon--which contains absolutely nothing contradictory to the Bible? Have you actually attended an LDS church service? Have you actually ever talked to a Mormon? Have you ever met with LDS missionaries? You are always welcome to.
We believe in one God--our Eternal Father and His Son, Jesus Christ.
We believe God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and therefore loves His children as he loved them in days past. He guides them, speaks to them and witnesses to them just as He has through the generations past. Therefore, we believe that He has once again established His gospel through prophets and apostles. We firmly believe that the Bible is God's word, and that God brought His truth to other people on this earth, and continues to do so. The Book of Mormon is ancient scripture written by people living in the Americas before and after Christ's time. These people brought Biblical scriptures from Jerusalem and quoted from these prophets, i.e. Isaiah.
www.mormon.org
www.lds.org
www.providentliving.org
http://www.bible.ca/mor-contradictions.htm
Pre-Existence - here is one exampleof hundreds!
LDS - teach that everyone pre-existed - we all exist eternally.
Bible - Only Christ pre-existed - not man. (John 8:58; Col 1:17) We didn't have a spiritual existence prior to earth. (I Cor 15:46)
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/bibleandbomcontradictions.htm
http://www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?id=591&rc=1&list=multi
http://www.irr.org/mit/bom-bible.html
http://www.davidcox.com.mx/tracts/m02_cox-mormon_contradictions_v1.pdf
Just for starters. Answer the above facts, no BS, and no BW (brain washing)
regards,
Simply put, if both the Bible and the Book of Mormon were inspired by God, then they never would contradict each other. However, since they do disagree with one another (in a number of places), the Book of Mormon is obviously a fraud, written by con men, not inspired men
Also, the "Saint Mormany" gave me quite a chuckle! There is no end to the funny twists that those who have not studied the LDS church come up with. The sad thing is that lies turn into truths when nobody intelligently researches or seeks to understand.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon for a good explanation of where the term/name "Mormon" came from. It's actually quite simple.
There is nothing "secret" in our church--only "sacred." Those that truly want to know are welcome!
From what I’ve seen of the Mormons they’d probably be good for DR. As a whole they’ve always seemed to be very centered around continued education, self sufficiency and service to the church and government, which wouldn’t be such a bad thing for DR. Look at what they’re doing above, they’re trying to improve people’s lives through educating them to do things themselves rather than just shove some money at them.. how is that a bad thing?
I am really puzzled. Those scriptures in no way contradict our beliefs. TRUST ME--I'M A MORMON! ( i.e. We don't believe we existed before Christ or God).
Aditionally, I am extremely puzzled for 2 reasons:
First, why you don't site Mormon sources on what Mormons believe.
Second, why you feel that you have to bash the LDS church and what they believe (let alone the fact that I have yet to read anything you say that is accurate). I appreciate that you believe in Christ and want to share with others. Let's look for the good in each other rather than contending--which Christ specifically said is of the devil.
I will not banter. You have access to any LDS information that is out there. You should not be afraid to research and quote from them. They will speak for themselves. Otherwise, there is no need to discuss anything further.
I did - all the sites I sent you have a host of direct quotes from the Book of Mormon and it compares them with what the Bible says. They contradict in very serious ways.
The secret initiation rites of the higher levels of mormons are a copy of the Masonic rites - in some cases almost identical. Joey S. was kicked out of the Masons. That is a fact of history. So is the fact that he had child brides. We are not discussing history from 200 years ago. Just 150 years ago, The testimony is there.
I have a couple questions to ask since you claim to be Mormon.
Have you made your prophecy and has it come true yet ?
What Spiritual level are you at ?
Are able to heel yet ?
Are you an Elder ?
What Country did you serve your mission in ?
Do you serve Mormanie or Jesus ?
Did Jesus came back in 1900's ?
Did you fast for 5 days in order to see your vision and did you wear all white ?
Point to me where in the Bible Saint Mornany is written !
If you claim to be Christian then READ YOUR BIBLE !
And quit following false Prophets.
I do admire your Religion's sense of Unity and Family, that's all.
Religion is Man made, Christianity is GOD SENT. .
Then get back to us with your answers. I serve JESUS that's why I call my self Christian, followers of the Living God.
Men see and don't see, Men hear and don't really hear, REAL MEN ARE OPEN TO THE TRUTH.
Take care.
Which Christ ? there is but only ONE CHRIST who suffered and died on the cross FOR ALL MANKIND SINS, read Johns 3:16....Did I miss the name Saint Mormany ? The Bible warns all about false Prophets.
There is good and bad in every Man.
Jesus is not 20 feet tall either as pictured in some of the Leaflets that were given to me by your Church Elders of the LDS .
I have meet many missionaries, even offered them a cup of ice cold beverages after there long bicycle rides, but still they refuse to answer or comment they just ask me to read the "Book of Mormon " not the "Book of GOD.....The BIBLE.
The Mormon Church is very picky on what information is released. Why not release the truth "The TRUTH IS WHAT SETS YOU FREE" anyway.
One cannot serve two Gods, for one loves one and hates the other.
I'll be waiting for your answer for the World to read.
Take care.
S.
AGAIN, i f you truly want to know what we believe you are still free to go to any and all LDS sites, churches, members, missionaries, leaders, texts, universities, etc., etc. and study all of your questions within correct, accurate, and historical context and with a desire to learn rather than to make unkind, disrespectful, and unproductive comments.
I appreciate your belief in God and Christ and hopefully the good you're doing if you're truly following them in word and deed--by love and kindness.
Sorry if I offended you, as you may have heard the LDS was a spear head for the legal Gay Marriage proposal in California which thank GOD was defeated, also the LDS Church's stance on the abortion issues Abortion is Murder, which again I agree. I wish and pray that the DR gets a lesson on Responsibility, the real meaning of Family, Unity and to start helping one another.
Regarding bait ? again I quite don't understand I was only questioning your beliefs.
Just so you know I myself have a few blood family members who are also LDS converts.
Take care.
Please at least take a look at the sites I sent you to. The list dozens of clear contradictions between Mormanism and historic Christianity. You know this. Stop lying to yourself and others.
Question: If Joe Smith and his replacements, the LDS leadership, were of God, why did they refuse blacks as members until a few years ago???? WHY???? The Bible clearly is against racists. Paul said that in Christ race did not matter, we are all equally loved. Your "inspired" cultand leaders said and did the opposite. So much for your "prophet" being of God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacks_and_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement Now no BS please- the article quotes FROM YOUR OWN PROPHET!!! Was he wrong. Do you reject him and his teachings about blacks? Hey DR posters, they would not allow a black into the preisthood (all white Mormon males get into it - and without it you cannot be saved - so blacks were blocked this essential rite) until 1978. DUH! Oh, a new revelation came along?
And the bait part--meaning to engage the discussion in a defensive way. I'd rather avoid conflict and find similarities rather than point out differences.
And keep an eye on your crazy, Mormon relatives. :-)
ps--cabarete, etc. , please see my last post. Many people quote scriptures and statements, but they are taken out of context and then explained from a totally different perspective. Anyone can do that about anybody and their religious beliefs. I wish I had the time to explain, but if you truly want to know what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes, just go to THEIR site--not other sources!! Trust me, there are lengthy articles, all the scriptures, quotes from the leaders, news, etc. addressing everything you've asked about. It's ALL there. . .go to the "search" window at the top of the homepage. And watch for people with 2 faces on this site. . .
You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. . . . Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which was the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another cursed is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the "servants of servants;" and they will be until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree (Journal) Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be.
this is an ENGLISH forum....duh
last time i checked, it was called DOMINICAN TODAY. duh...
You should really take a good look into Religions History, you may be shocked, your Religion has changed Church Doctrine many times in the last 150 years, if one knew the real untold History of the Mormon Church Founders then and only then would you question your Church. I have friends who lived in Utah during the 1960's and the stories they would tell me about living in Salt Lake City being non-Mormon.
CabaretteWilliam,
It seems to me the LDS's always uses the same tactic give give give in order to recruit new members, good works is no way a guarantee into Heaven. The info you just provided hits the nail right on the head. I just hope bananarama opens his Heart and SOUL to the truth.
I have not yet heard the LDS ever admitting faults / errors of there past......is one thing, but.....Denying the Truth is above all. There Mormon's followers of Man made Saint Mormanie ,not Christians who are followers of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
TAKE CARE AND GOD BLESS.
With all due respect, I have to say....You sound like a sales Person for the LDS Church.
Have you gone on your mission yet ?
What rank are you in the LDS Church ?
What level of Godliness are you at ?
Have you made your Man made Prediction yet ?
Has it come to pass yet ?
Have you been to the Temple in Utah ?
Do you have access to Top Church secrets ?
Have seen and read the Golden Tablets ?
If you answered no to all the above then your not a LDS Elder just a member working your way to Godliness, good luck !
Funny as a Christian the only thing I was promised was TRUTH, SALVATION and EVER LASTING LIFE, Thank GOD.
Take care.
Yes Dreadsy boy "DOMINICAN" & "TODAY" just both happen to be English words, perhaps you did not notice DUH :) as this is an English language site