Washington. - Representative Loretta Sanchez today asked the U.S. State Department to look into Venezuela’s possible purchase of a 49 percent stake in Dominican Republic’s only refinery Refidomsa, on grounds it would violate trade agreements.
In a letter to the State Department, the legislator says the deal would be part of the PetroCaribe Agreement, through which Central American and Caribbean countries buy Venezuelan crude under soft credit.
"There’s concern that this agreement has long term devastating effects in the Dominican Republic. Considering the president’s (Hugo Chavez) disquieting history of interference in the region, I ask the Department State to observe this situation and its lack of transparency," said the fiery Democrat congresswoman from Orange County, California.
The House member also urged the State Department to consider if the transaction violates criteria that determine a country’s possibility of receiving aid from the Corporation for the Challenge of the Millenium.
In the letter Sanchez also notes that the State Department would have to consider if the operation violates the Dr-CAFTA Free Trade Agreement or some other pact between the U.S. and Dominican Republic. “The this transaction’s potential impact on the Dominican Republic, the Latin American region and the United States shouldn’t be ignored."
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
Be very careful with Hugo, very careful.
From: United States, New York City
Now the truth concerning these "free trade" agreements finally rears its ugly head. These agreements are nothing but instruments by which small and poorer states, such as DR, give up their sovereignty to foreign bodies. Case in point.
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
I gues the real reason Hugo needs the refinery is his countries refining capacity is maxed out, and I do not believe the refinery in the DR can process the extra heavy crude from Venezuela (VEHOP). It is probably an alternative to process the SYNCRUDE that comes from the Jose' complex in the State of Anzoategui. Most of the refineries in Ven. have not undergone any serious maintenance in the last 3 years and as a result the capacity for refined product is falling. Most of the producing wells have also not recieved workovers and parifin buildups are restricting volume outputs. An example of misguided expendatures, ignoring the real issue. Without the petroleum products Venezuela touts, they are just another 3rd. world country
From: United States
cibaeño75 if they want all the aid and benefits from the US they have to do certain things for the US in return. This is how things work in the rest of the civilized world. Maybe LF can fool a good portions of his citizens but there are some of us he cannot. A good part of the outside world is also very educated and can see exactly what they are trying to do.
From: United States, New York City
"cibaeño75 if they want all the aid and benefits from the US they have to do certain things for the US in return. This is how things work in the rest of the civilized world. Maybe LF can fool a good portions of his citizens but there are some of us he cannot. A good part of the outside world is also very educated and can see exactly what they are trying to do."
I didn't say if this was a good deal or not for the Dominican people. What I did say that "free trade" agreements put the weaker countries in said agreements in the precarious position of having to answer to outside bodies for decisions made in their respective societies within the legal framework of their respective governments. It's nothing more than a guise to give up what little sovereignty remains in the hands of a government such as DR's. Again, case in point. If what America says is the end of it all then just eliminate the middle man and work for total integration into the US as a state or territory.
Written by: juanb, 29 Jul 2009 12:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
It really won't matter if we get thrown out of this free trade agreement. While all of Central America quickly passed the necessary legislation to qualify for membership in the agreement our wonderful legislators took aver 3 years to pass the same legislation. During that time most US companies (the source of almost all the work for the free zones) left the DR and moved their work to Central America. They did this because sewing work (and sewing is what the free zones WERE about) leaving there had no duty applied and work leaving here had to pay 20 % duty. Just to give you a small idea: LEVI'S was producing 1,000,000 pair of mens pants per month four years ago. Today ZERO. Passing the necessary laws 3 years after every other country is a great example of locking the barn after the horses have already been stolen. NICE JOB, GUYS!!!
From: United States
ha ha ha ha ha
From: Dominican Republic, la Romana
cibaeño...I do not think that you are correct in everything you said ,,in every free trade sector there has to be problems in the early days as various countries within the sector realizes that some of it´s uneconomic industries will have to go because they can not be propped up with tariffs ..and there are also rules as to restraint of trade which any country can object to ..I think the senators desire to have an investigation is flawed if she is based mainly on an , quite reasonable and probably accurate, assumption that it could lead to further unwelcome influence in the region from Chauvez
From: United States, New York City
"..I think the senators desire to have an investigation is flawed if she is based mainly on an , quite reasonable and probably accurate, assumption that it could lead to further unwelcome influence in the region from Chavez"
So let me get this straight:You want a foreign senator(she's actually a rep.) to investigate alleged flaws in YOUR government.I see. Again, you should work toward further integration with the US politically and eliminate your government in the process. That is in essence what you're wishing for.As for Chavez's influence..would this even be a problem if Shell or Exxon had brought the 49% stake in said rifenery?Ms. Sanchez makes reference to Chavez's "disquieting history of interference in the region" but it's not Venezuela that has invaded every unit that composes the greater antilles within the last century or so and still holds on to one that it won in conquest.I posit that the US has even a more "disquieting history of interference in the region". Digo yo.
Written by: Escott, 29 Jul 2009 1:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera and Sosua a few days a month
cibeano while you are in the US why are you worried about the DR?
You are the Typical Dominican always blaming the crooked, dishonest policies of Dominicans on the "Otherguy".
I could go on and on about people like you and not even getting into the truth that HUGO CHAVEZ is trying to control the DR and NOT the US but it would be way above your head so I won't.
From: United States, New York City
Escott, get a clue and a life. The only thing I attacked on here were free trade agreements, which plenty of Americans disagree with, and the rhetoric of a representative that doesn't know her history. I didn't make any comments about DR's shortcomings and hence made no reference to the "otherguy". BTW, I don't live off of any tax payer money. As a matter of fact, I get taxed MIGHTILY. Also, you have nothing to fear from Hugo Chavez. His country never has and never will invade the DR any time soon. Again, get a clue and a life.
Written by: juanb, 29 Jul 2009 1:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Is that anything like saying that you always drive when drunk and you never killed anyone before this time?
From: United States, New York City
"Is that anything like saying that you always drive when drunk and you never killed anyone before this time?"
????
Written by: Lautaro, 29 Jul 2009 1:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
cibaeño said: "What I did say that "free trade" agreements put the weaker countries in said agreements in the precarious position of having to answer to outside bodies for decisions made in their respective societies within the legal framework of their respective governments. It's nothing more than a guise to give up what little sovereignty remains in the hands of a government such as DR's."
Specially when these free trade agreements demand from one of the parts (ex. DR and Central America) to eliminate ALL type of subsidies on the agricultural sector while the agricultural sector of the other part (USA) continues to benefit from all types of subsidies and support on the part of the government. Hypocrisy and double standards at their finest, IMHO.
From: United States, New York City
"Specially when these free trade agreements demand from one of the parts (ex. DR and Central America) to eliminate ALL type of subsidies on the agricultural sector while the agricultural sector of the other part (USA) continues to benefit from all types of subsidies and support on the part of their government. Hypocrisy and double standards at their finest, IMHO."
Indeed. But then again you are a rarity here. You speak on subjects that you happen to have some knowledge and understanding of.
Written by: Lautaro, 29 Jul 2009 2:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
It seems to me that even the US, the current champion among democracies, suffers from the "no me toques esa tecla" (don't touch that button) syndrome that is so prevalent among latin american countries, as in the existence (and continued electoral power/influence) of some interests at DC that can't be touched not even with the petal of a rose, the agrarian and pharmaceutical sectors being the chief examples of this malady.
Written by: xwill7, 29 Jul 2009 2:37 PM
From: United States, Chicago
I thought that DR was looking for its own oil reserves? What ever happened with that project?
From: United States, New York City
"I thought that DR was looking for its own oil reserves? What ever happened with that project?"
Good question.
Written by: Lautaro, 29 Jul 2009 2:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this "project" would turn out to be another lame lie to justify the high cost of gas in the country.
From: Dominican Republic, la Romana
I think that when you join into any free trade agreement or a union with other countries you automatically lose some of your complete independence ,,so in the European Union , individual member countries have to abide by the EU rules and so in the various trade pacts around the world , there is an inevitable loss of a countries total right to do everything it wants to ...and so cibaeño I think the DR just has to lump it or not be in the trade agreement ...That is not to say that this woman is correct in her concerns
From: United States, New York City
"I think that when you join into any free trade agreement or a union with other countries you automatically lose some of your complete independence ,,"
Indeed, when you are the weaker signer of said agreements, obviously. Do you see French farmers giving in to the demands of other agricultural producers within the EU? Do you think that the US would subordinate itself to any trade concerns stemming from Mexico as a result of NAFTA or to concerns expressed by DR in the context of the DR-CAFTA deal? If you think so then I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I'd like to sell to you.
From: United States, New York City
"That is not to say that this woman is correct in her concerns "
What exactly are her concerns? That Chavez is weilding dangerous influence because of the stake his government would in the refinery? Again, would similiar concerns be heard if it had been, say, Exxon that brought the same percentage of said refinery?
Written by: juanb, 29 Jul 2009 3:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Chavez, as the outspoken critic of the US and its policies raises red flags in more ways than one. The US is correct that this takeover of the refinery should be carefully examined. If we wish to forego the hundreds of millions that we accept from the US we can ignore them. Since, however we depend on them for so much they do have the right to speak out. Just as they would not let Cuba become a haven for missiles they are not ready for the DR to become the launching pad for this red rat.
As for your not understanding my previous comment, C75, you said that: "Also, you have nothing to fear from Hugo Chavez. His country never has and never will invade the DR any time soon."
Just because something hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it is not going to happen.
From: United States, New York City
"If we wish to forego the hundreds of millions that we accept from the US we can ignore them. Since, however we depend on them for so much they do have the right to speak out."
How much do American companies make in DR? Factor in also the bulk of the interest paid on foreign loans, the majority of which stem from the US. I think you'll find that the US takes out MUCH more than it puts in. I can assure you of that. Funny thing is that your giving the US the same perogatives and rights that the US is accusing Venezuela of trying to foster! The right to speak and the right to threaten are two different things. Notice the headline of this article includes the word "warns". That's tantamount to a threat and as such it's not just commentary. As for Hugo invading the DR, what credible information do you have in your possession that would warrant holding such a position? Can you even assess with certainty that Venezuela HAS the miltary capability of invading DR?
Written by: Lautaro, 29 Jul 2009 3:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
cibaeño asked: "Can you even assess with certainty that Venezuela HAS the miltary capability of invading DR?"
Heck, they don't even have the amphibious capability to pull that stunt. Does anybody realistically think that if Venezuela had the military capabilities to carry out its threats Hugo wouldn't have used them by now? The most powerful militaries in South America are Chile, Brazil and Colombia (in that order), and they're firmly behind US interests in almost every single thing, so I find these shows of fear for this "red rat" unwarranted and amusing at the same time.
From: United States, New York City
"Heck, they don't even have the amphibious capability to pull that stunt."
That's known by anyone that takes the time to properly assess the situation. It's common knowledge here that Venezuela's military capabilities are purely within the realm of self defense and that they cannot project the power that some have been conditioned to fear that they can. During Venezuela's confrontation with Colombia ALL the military analists that I heard or read on the subject, both American and foreign, agreed that the Colombians would soundly defeat Venezuela if it ever came to all out war yet Chavez is somehow seen as the "power" in the region! The power of propaganda never ceases to amaze me.
Written by: Lautaro, 29 Jul 2009 4:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
From what I have read/heard about the issue, the colombian military have the capability of not only withstanding a joint attack from Venezuela/Ecuador, but also the one of taking the war to their enemies' soil. That should tell you something about kick-ass capabilities.
From: United States, New York City
"From what I have read/heard about the issue, the colombian military have the capability of not only withstanding a joint attack from Venezuela/Ecuador, but also the one of taking the war to their enemies' soil. That should tell you something about kick-ass capabilities."
Of course. Keep in mind that the Colombian military has been heavily subsidized and trained by the US and not only that, it has EXTENSIVE combat experience in both jungle and urban warfare.
Written by: juanb, 29 Jul 2009 4:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
President Prestamo strikes again:
Almost US$300 million in more loans
President Leonel Fernandez has sent several requests for government loans to Congress, as reported in Hoy.
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
Ciby and Lautaro what happened to your buddy Zelaya ? still treading water ? is he still flying around in nutty hugos plane ? bring us up to date please
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
Colombia receives millions of dollars in AID and military training for the U.S.,
Any country that goes to war with Colombia most also gets into a war with their masters the U.S.
Colombia is a huge recipient of Military Aid for the U.S., as is Iraq and Israel.
Oh! Evil, evil Israel….. Kill Millions of Arabs.
And Chile Thanks the U.S. for Pinochet, and all the innocent people he had killed.
From: Dominican Republic, America
cib and Lautaro, the lighthouses of this forum, thanks for shining brilliance into this commentary.
Lat thanks for pointing out the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE of agricultural subsidies. this issue belies everything and anything free marketeer propagandists claim. and thanks for pointing out Venezuela's total inability to invade. besides wow if Venezuela invaded the powder keg that would go off on both sides of Hispañiola might put Vietnam to shame.
who is this Rep. Sanchez? what are her affiliations inside and outside of the Congress? who contributes to her campaign? WHY IS IT HER CONCERN? this is all public info. DT.com if you want to serve your readers follow up with this information.
Written by: danny00, 29 Jul 2009 7:17 PM
From: United States
kill millions of arabs?.... the arabs are reall nice guys you think and israel is the BAD GUYS..... well you have it all WRONG., yes you do......they the arabs LOVE TO BLOW UP BUSES WITH LITTLE CHILDREN IN THEM DONT THEY?....
Written by: danny00, 29 Jul 2009 7:25 PM
From: United States
small and poorer states, such as DR, THATS NEWS TO ME..... whos POOR?... very RICO COUNTRY... lots of YIPETAS, million dollar CONDOS in santo domingo, whos POOR?....sh--t more very expensive yipets on the island then in MIAMI BEACH..... P0OR give me a break....
From: United States, New York City
From: United States, New York City
".sh--t more very expensive yipets on the island then in MIAMI BEACH.."
Miami Beach is one city. Do you think there are more expensive vehicles in DR than there are in the state of Florida? There are pockets of poverty in DR that are as extreme as that which can be witnessed in neighboring Haiti. Not so in Florida. Do not make comparisons that cannot hold weight.
From: Dominican Republic
Hugo will use the refinery as weapon against us if we refuse to absorb the haitianization process!
Written by: anthonyC, 29 Jul 2009 9:10 PM
From: United States
Written by: cibaeño75,
Oh, and the Isrealis are saints?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zUAgain, propaganda has an amazing power."
You are right.
Too many people believe that pro-terrorist propaganda.
The Journalist killed put themselves in harms way. They have nobody to blame but themselves.
The Israelis attacked a terrorist then came back to finish the job. The alleged civilians were giving aid and support to terrorist.
From: United States, New York City
"The Israelis attacked a terrorist then came back to finish the job. The alleged civilians were giving aid and support to terrorist."
So all the inhabitants of the Gaza strip are terrorists?
Written by: anthonyC, 29 Jul 2009 10:50 PM
From: United States
Written by: cibaeño75, 29 Jul 2009 9:17 PM
From: United States, New York City
"The Israelis attacked a terrorist then came back to finish the job. The alleged civilians were giving aid and support to terrorist."
So all the inhabitants of the Gaza strip are terrorists?
Those that give aid, comfort housing and support to terrorists are terrorist themselves.
From: United States, New York City
That's not what I asked. It's obvious to all that care to look that all of gaza's residents are living under prison-like conditions imposed by Israel. My question remains: Are all of Gaza's residents terrorists?
Written by: anthonyC, 29 Jul 2009 11:29 PM
From: United States
"Are all of Gaza's residents terrorists?"
I would suggest that young children aren't terrorist but they are put in harms way as cannon fodder by their parents. Their deaths and or injuries are not the fault of the Israelis.
From: United States, New York City
"I would suggest that young children aren't terrorist but they are put in harms way as cannon fodder by their parents. Their deaths and or injuries are not the fault of the Israelis."
I see. So from your post what I'm extrapolating is that only young children in Gaza are worthy of living. Am I correct?
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
The actions in Gaza by Israel was condemned by the United States, ...
Dannyoo, can you please write something More comprehensive?
Israel, is NOT gods People...
Cibby, Remember AnthonyC helps you more then he can harm you...
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
Cibby.. your much better at this then I am ... I wanted to run a New plan by you
Written by: anthonyC, 30 Jul 2009 10:13 AM
From: United States
Cibi,
Do not put words in my mouth. Don't even try. If you do you will just look even more irrational.
From: United States, New York City
"Do not put words in my mouth. Don't even try. If you do you will just look even more irrational."
I don't need to resort to as much. In any event any who take more the a cursory look at the plight of the palestinians would easily realize where fault lies. In any event that's a discussion more appropiate in a forum setting than here. Another time and place Mr. C. I'm sure world events will allow us to visit this issue once again in the near future.
Written by: mrios, 30 Jul 2009 10:41 AM
From: United States
Chillaxin201,
Put it this way....
A man walks to you and punches you.
You say excuse Me !
So, he punches you again.
You say, Hey wait...
Seeing you did nothing, He punches you again and again, only this time harder.
You say....hey now wait a minute !
Now this Man seeing you did nothing, now targets your Family, Friends and Neighbors . Not with punches but with bullets and bombs.
AND THE DEATH TOLL RISES
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS....
At what point would you say enough is enough ?
So you grow some %^$@# and decide ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, NO MORE, NEVER AGAIN.
So you look for this Man only to find out that he hides behind areas heavily populated with Woman & Children............FRUSTRATING ISN'T IT...
This Man is a real coward, He's willing to sacrifice the innocent Woman and Children for His twisted ideology.
I have to ask yourself WHAT KIND OF GOD DOES THIS MAN SERVE...
TRULY...... MY BELIEF IS....WE DON'T SERVE THE SAME GOD.
From: United States, New York City
Drop it rios. You lack knowledge of the subject. I'll leave you with this gem: terrorism in the middle east was initiated by zionist jews. Google "King David Hotel bombing", one of many perpetrated by zionists before the israeli state was formed, and come back to us when your mind has digested, if it can, what your about to discover. While you're at it google "irgun".
Written by: mrios, 30 Jul 2009 11:13 AM
From: United States
I'LL EXCERSIZE MY RIGHT.....
Almost forgot....The whole U.S did not commend the Gaza action, only OH'Blama.
Could it be Mr. Change and Hope was also betting on the Saudi oil with that famous bow-down.
I think he missed by 180%, funny how He reminds all of His middle Name and how proud He is of His Fathers Religion, and what Country's Schools He attended.
And to think Mr. Hope & Change was also counting on the Hugo-A-Go-Go Lubricant Oil.
REALITY IS MOST ARAB COUNTRY'S DON'T GIVE A S%$# ABOUT THE PALESTINIANS.
Slowly the American People are finally opening there eyes and they don't like what they see.....
The U.S Destruction from the inside out.
Does Mr. Hope & Change realize the impact He has on the World as We know it.
REAL CHANGE WILL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL 2012
Take care.
Written by: devin11, 30 Jul 2009 11:17 AM
From: United States
And while your at it, google international law applications to building on occupied land. Then google the 1980 Geneva Treaty which forbids the use of white phosphorous weapons in populated civilian areas. Israel used such weapons in their last assault on Gaza, the phosphorus rains down on the population, and when it comes into contact with the skin, it continues burning until it reaches bone. Google Avigdor Lieberman, Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs, the top diplomat of the state of Israel who proclaimed that the Israel should consider droping a NUCLEAR ATOMIC BOMB on Gaza.
Written by: mrios, 30 Jul 2009 11:20 AM
From: United States
Cibaeno75,
Does the British ring a bell.........
From: United States, New York City
"Cibaeno75,
Does the British ring a bell........."
What's your point?
Written by: Escott, 30 Jul 2009 1:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera and Sosua a few days a month
Cibeano, all people that give aide, comfort and support to terrorists are Terrorists.
Chavez is buying the Dominican Republic as we speak. Low interest loans is putting the whole country in his bed like it or not. You aren't nieve enough to think there isn't a grand plan here, are you?
Yes you blame the "Odderguy" just like your parents before you and their parents before them. NOT one person in the DR cares to take responsibility.
The US signed one end of the agreement, who signed the other, "odderguy".
You care to be in bed with Nutty Hugo fine, just don't wish that BS on the rest of us who actually live here in the DR and not sucking off the tit of the US of A.
Written by: Escott, 30 Jul 2009 1:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera and Sosua a few days a month
When will you psuedo intellectuals wake up and figure out Nutty Hugo is conquering the DR economically. He doesn't need an army for that just the corrupted greedy culture of the Dominican Republic and all the Sons and Daughters of the Dominican Republic. Sure Blame the faults on the US as Hugo is pulling the wool over your heads.
Dumbest bunch of sheep waiting for a slaughter I have ever seen.
Written by: mrios, 30 Jul 2009 1:47 PM
From: United States
The Zionist could have never established an Israeli State with out outside help.....
The establishment of an Israeli State would help U.S interest in the Middle East, like it or not.
War of words and threats.
So are...Landmines, Gas, fair treatment of War Prisoners, cluster bombs etc.. etc..
I say...Terror attacks on the Civilian population or the use of Civilian population as Human shields is uncalled for.
NICE TO HAVE RULES OF WAR, SAD TO SAY...GO RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW IN THE HEAT OF COMBAT...
Just ask your selves, Where was the World's outrage and protest when Israeli Civilians were being targeted and attacked on a daily bases with indiscriminately fired rockets.
We don't have any control of what happens over there. We can only Hope & Pray these waring People will put their differences aside and reach some sort of Peace agreement that ALL WILL HONOR, one can not live in the past and expect to move forward.
When will MAN EVER LEARN.
From: United States, New York City
"You care to be in bed with Nutty Hugo fine, just don't wish that BS on the rest of us who actually live here in the DR and not sucking off the tit of the US of A."
But...you're posting out of NYS..LOL
Escott, ask yourself how much property is owned by Venezuelans in DR and how much is owned by Spanish interest, Am I to assume, using your logic, that Spain has designs on DR? For the Spanish own WAY more propert in DR than the Venezuelans. Get a clue,
From: United States, New York City
"The Zionist could have never established an Israeli State with out outside help....."
Soo,,,are you condoning the terrorist attacks that the zionists committed in their zeal to set up the Isreali state? Hable claro.
Written by: devin11, 30 Jul 2009 2:08 PM
From: United States
The building of settlements on occupied land in the name of God is an affront to decency, humanity, the law and yes God himself.
From: United States, New York City
"The building of settlements on occupied land in the name of God is an affront to decency, humanity, the law and yes God himself."
I agree. The problem is that people have been indoctrinated to view the palestinians and the arabs by extension in a certain way. It's a shame because of one looked at what's happening to the palestinians one would realize that those people are getting, and have been getting, screwed over royally. The disinformation campaign surrounding the whole issue is astounding but luckily all the info one needs to see what's happening is readily available for any who care to look.
Written by: josean, 30 Jul 2009 2:45 PM
From: United States
Loretta Sanchez appears to be espousing the rhetoric of the former congressman she defeated B-1 Bob Dornan.
Ms. Sanchez herself a former republican, who opportunistically changed parties to run against Mr. Dornan, is probably appealing to the right wing fascist in her district who are funneling Miami Cuban/Venezuelan rightwing dineros!
I hope her next move is not to request that the 82nd Airborne be sent in!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_DornanWritten by: mrios, 30 Jul 2009 2:45 PM
From: United States
This is beginning to sound like a ping pong / tennis game.
No I don't condone the Murder of any People's.
TU HABLA CLARO Are you then trying to justify the repeated attacks on the Israeli Civilian population as some sort JUSTIFIABLE payback ?
Many Months ago here in the city of Palmdale where I live we have a Mosque that marched, protested and rallied against the Israeli bombing of Gaza. Many displayed pictures of Woman & Children injured & killed [that's what happens when one uses Civilians as shields]. So I asked one of the protesters why wait until the bombing of Gaza by the Israeli, despite many warning by the Israeli's it would retaliate Militarily, yet the rockets kept falling. why not protest the repeated rockets attacks on Israeli settlements. Her answer....The Israeli's deserved it. Am I to assume you fell the same way ?
MANY WRONGS DON'T MAKE ONE RIGHT.
From: United States, New York City
"Are you then trying to justify the repeated attacks on the Israeli Civilian population as some sort JUSTIFIABLE payback ? "
Never have i said that. Now, can you say with an absolute certainty that those people killed where indeed being used as human sheilds or are you just parroting what you here on the boobtube?
Written by: mrios, 30 Jul 2009 3:21 PM
From: United States
Cibaeno75,
One only sees what one wants to see, one only hears what one wants to hear, one only believes what one wants to believe and at many times it's far from the whole truth.
So I'm left wondering why don't one of the many Neighboring Arab Country's just donate some nice Dessert real estate which could bring an end to the Palestinian Crises once and for all. But then again I'm reminded.....Very few Arab Country's give a S$%# about the Palestinian's anyway and will use the Palestinians and there cause to do their dirty work against Israel for them.
WHAT IF...
Mexico or Haiti used the same dirty tactics the Palestinians use ?
Would you think different ?
Devin11,
To think the North Koreans make verbal threats using Nukes all the time and with luck so will the Iranians..... Maybe the Iranians will pass some know how ??? to the Palestinians, boy I could surely sleep much much better tonight knowing that.
Take care Guys.
Written by: devin11, 30 Jul 2009 3:51 PM
From: United States
Written by: mrios, 30 Jul 2009 3:21 PM
From: United States
WHAT IF...
Mexico or Haiti used the same dirty tactics the Palestinians use ?
Would you think different ?
What if Haiti took over Dominican land and claimed it as there own because the Voodoo gods told them that D.R. belonged to the Haitians. What if the Dominican people were driven out of their homes and land and forced to live under a system of apartheid with checkpoints that make them unable to maintain gainful employment. What if the Dominican people were forced to live in slums under the most horrible conditions. Would you feel different? Would you under these circumstances do the unthinkable? Would you?
If israel doesn't want Iran to have nuclear weapons (which I don't either), instead of bombing Iran why doesn't Israel dismantle their own nuclear warheads in exchange for Iran to stop building up their nuclear capacities? Israel will still have the strongest military of the region even without nukes.
From: United States, New York City
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"So I'm left wondering why don't one of the many Neighboring Arab Country's just donate some nice Dessert real estate which could bring an end to the Palestinian Crises once and for all."
Why should the palestinians leave a land that their ancetors knew well? How would you feel if Haiti was somehow propped up by some superpower, attacked DR constantly without any retribution from the outseide world, and forced out huge swaths of it's population into the exterior... Would you consider it a fair deal, if say, Brazil intervened and offered the Dominicans that would be left some land in Brazil's interior? Do you understand what I'm saying? Palestine is their homeland. All here know what a "pedacito de tierra" means to a people.
Written by: mrios, 30 Jul 2009 3:57 PM
From: United States
Your right you never said that...But to Me you sounded Bias, that's all.
When ever a small Country or State which is no match Militarily to it's sworn enemy, then the only tactic left is self justified Terrorism plain and simple, all in the name of Allah.
Will Hamas, Hezbollah and the bunch ever take responsibility for their action ?
switch to some other T.V stations for news instead of the one sided CNN. Why not Try the BBC, or Fox News.
All Wars Historically are about Land / territory anyway.
At least CAN WE ALL AGREE TO DISAGREE on that.
Take care.
From: United States, New York City
"All Wars Historically are about Land / territory anyway. "
Indeed, but we live in an era where world opinion is of some value and it's important for people to be informed as to who are the aggressors in certain instances for from there comes condemnation. I sincerely hope you study the Palestininan situation a little more carefully. These people are dying a slow death in their own land and it's one of the biggest tragedies occuring in our time. I sincerely and whole-heartedly believe that.
Written by: devin11, 30 Jul 2009 4:10 PM
From: United States
I don't think you will ever hear Hamas, Hezbollah or any other terrorist entity take responsibility for their terrorist acts because they don't consider themselves terrorists, they consider themselves freedom fighters. Will Israel take credit for the terrorist acts committed by their very own founding fathers in the Irgun? Of course not because they consider them to be freedom fighters as well. I only wish that the US stay out of this matter and desist to provide any more Billions and Billions of dollars that are used to build more and more settlements on occupied land when so many Americans are losing their own homes due to the current economic crisis. Why don't those American Billions go to bail out American homeowners instead.
Written by: mrios, 30 Jul 2009 4:21 PM
From: United States
Devin11,
Come on....Can Iran really be trusted ? Iran has financed and supported World wide terrorism even Iraq's insurgents using mostly Russian made weapons.
Just ask your self.......When has Israel with Nukes, largest Army and kick ass Air force in the Region has ever stopped Palestinian Terrorist.
Written by: mrios, 30 Jul 2009 4:29 PM
From: United States
Finally something we ALL can agree with.
Take care.
Written by: caonabo, 30 Jul 2009 4:39 PM
From: United States
Written by: devin11, 30 Jul 2009 4:51 PM
From: United States
Mr. Rios,
Nobody in that region can be trusted, nobody. Guess who sold Iran military weaponry during the height of the US hostage crisis in Iran. Do you think that the offending country should be considered a friend of the US after committing such an act? Care to guess which country that was, the answer will surprise you.
Written by: caonabo, 30 Jul 2009 5:30 PM
From: United States
Israel?????
Written by: devin11, 30 Jul 2009 8:27 PM
From: United States
Congratulations Mr. Caonabo, you gave the right answer. Please don't take my word for it though, I want you to check the veracity of my statement and please by all means prove me wrong so that I can hang my head in shame for casting such aspersions on the innocent Israeli government. The following are 3 independent sources of my claim;
Sources for Israeli weapons sales to Iran during the hostage crisis include,
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, January 1987
The Israeli Connection: Who Israel Arms and Why (Pantheon Books, 1987)
The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy (Mearsheimer / Walt, 2007)
Had the Palestinians been responsible for this betrayal every grade school student in Europe and the western hemisphere from the age of 7 would know about it. They would also be reminded of it right through graduate school.
Written by: mrios, 31 Jul 2009 1:18 AM
From: United States
And to think the U.S supported Iraq and Saddam with it's War against Iran.....Friend today, foe tomorrow.
WHAT ELSE IS NEW.
But at least there's thousands of happy free Iraqi's....Minus the infighting between the Shiites vs. Sunni's, a quick pull out could result in a nasty little Civil war, which I'm sure Iran will be grateful for.
Written by: jeffreyb, 31 Jul 2009 2:53 PM
From: United States
Has the honorable Loretta Sanchez registered herself as a lobbyist for PEMEX ?
Written by: josean, 31 Jul 2009 4:35 PM
From: United States
jeffreyb,
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
TOP Ten Reasons Hugo Chavez Wants to Ban Golf in Venezuela
Once again, he's out of bounds
10. Capitalist pigs poke fun about the size of his putter.
9. He has nationalized all of the recreational balls in that country.
8. His booty looks really big when he wears his canary yellow Dockers.
7. He has a phobia about doing math in public and likes to eat pencils.
6. Daniel Ortega now wants a tip every time he caddies.
5. Venezuelan golfers are bourgeois and always make him cart jockey.
4. He feels if someone shoots a birdie, the people have a right to eat it.
3. Anyone who asks him about his handicap is immediately jailed.
2. Based on socialism, everyone should end up with the same score.
1. Lazy man's sport, misuse of public lands, much like chasing his wife around the lawn.
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I didn't say if this was a good deal or not for the Dominican people. What I did say that "free trade" agreements put the weaker countries in said agreements in the precarious position of having to answer to outside bodies for decisions made in their respective societies within the legal framework of their respective governments. It's nothing more than a guise to give up what little sovereignty remains in the hands of a government such as DR's. Again, case in point. If what America says is the end of it all then just eliminate the middle man and work for total integration into the US as a state or territory.
ha ha ha ha ha
So let me get this straight:You want a foreign senator(she's actually a rep.) to investigate alleged flaws in YOUR government.I see. Again, you should work toward further integration with the US politically and eliminate your government in the process. That is in essence what you're wishing for.As for Chavez's influence..would this even be a problem if Shell or Exxon had brought the 49% stake in said rifenery?Ms. Sanchez makes reference to Chavez's "disquieting history of interference in the region" but it's not Venezuela that has invaded every unit that composes the greater antilles within the last century or so and still holds on to one that it won in conquest.I posit that the US has even a more "disquieting history of interference in the region". Digo yo.
You are the Typical Dominican always blaming the crooked, dishonest policies of Dominicans on the "Otherguy".
I could go on and on about people like you and not even getting into the truth that HUGO CHAVEZ is trying to control the DR and NOT the US but it would be way above your head so I won't.
????
Specially when these free trade agreements demand from one of the parts (ex. DR and Central America) to eliminate ALL type of subsidies on the agricultural sector while the agricultural sector of the other part (USA) continues to benefit from all types of subsidies and support on the part of the government. Hypocrisy and double standards at their finest, IMHO.
Indeed. But then again you are a rarity here. You speak on subjects that you happen to have some knowledge and understanding of.
Good question.
Indeed, when you are the weaker signer of said agreements, obviously. Do you see French farmers giving in to the demands of other agricultural producers within the EU? Do you think that the US would subordinate itself to any trade concerns stemming from Mexico as a result of NAFTA or to concerns expressed by DR in the context of the DR-CAFTA deal? If you think so then I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I'd like to sell to you.
What exactly are her concerns? That Chavez is weilding dangerous influence because of the stake his government would in the refinery? Again, would similiar concerns be heard if it had been, say, Exxon that brought the same percentage of said refinery?
As for your not understanding my previous comment, C75, you said that: "Also, you have nothing to fear from Hugo Chavez. His country never has and never will invade the DR any time soon."
Just because something hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it is not going to happen.
How much do American companies make in DR? Factor in also the bulk of the interest paid on foreign loans, the majority of which stem from the US. I think you'll find that the US takes out MUCH more than it puts in. I can assure you of that. Funny thing is that your giving the US the same perogatives and rights that the US is accusing Venezuela of trying to foster! The right to speak and the right to threaten are two different things. Notice the headline of this article includes the word "warns". That's tantamount to a threat and as such it's not just commentary. As for Hugo invading the DR, what credible information do you have in your possession that would warrant holding such a position? Can you even assess with certainty that Venezuela HAS the miltary capability of invading DR?
Heck, they don't even have the amphibious capability to pull that stunt. Does anybody realistically think that if Venezuela had the military capabilities to carry out its threats Hugo wouldn't have used them by now? The most powerful militaries in South America are Chile, Brazil and Colombia (in that order), and they're firmly behind US interests in almost every single thing, so I find these shows of fear for this "red rat" unwarranted and amusing at the same time.
That's known by anyone that takes the time to properly assess the situation. It's common knowledge here that Venezuela's military capabilities are purely within the realm of self defense and that they cannot project the power that some have been conditioned to fear that they can. During Venezuela's confrontation with Colombia ALL the military analists that I heard or read on the subject, both American and foreign, agreed that the Colombians would soundly defeat Venezuela if it ever came to all out war yet Chavez is somehow seen as the "power" in the region! The power of propaganda never ceases to amaze me.
Of course. Keep in mind that the Colombian military has been heavily subsidized and trained by the US and not only that, it has EXTENSIVE combat experience in both jungle and urban warfare.
Almost US$300 million in more loans
President Leonel Fernandez has sent several requests for government loans to Congress, as reported in Hoy.
Any country that goes to war with Colombia most also gets into a war with their masters the U.S.
Colombia is a huge recipient of Military Aid for the U.S., as is Iraq and Israel.
Oh! Evil, evil Israel….. Kill Millions of Arabs.
And Chile Thanks the U.S. for Pinochet, and all the innocent people he had killed.
Lat thanks for pointing out the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE of agricultural subsidies. this issue belies everything and anything free marketeer propagandists claim. and thanks for pointing out Venezuela's total inability to invade. besides wow if Venezuela invaded the powder keg that would go off on both sides of Hispañiola might put Vietnam to shame.
who is this Rep. Sanchez? what are her affiliations inside and outside of the Congress? who contributes to her campaign? WHY IS IT HER CONCERN? this is all public info. DT.com if you want to serve your readers follow up with this information.
Oh, and the Isrealis are saints?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU
Again, propaganda has an amazing power.
Miami Beach is one city. Do you think there are more expensive vehicles in DR than there are in the state of Florida? There are pockets of poverty in DR that are as extreme as that which can be witnessed in neighboring Haiti. Not so in Florida. Do not make comparisons that cannot hold weight.
Oh, and the Isrealis are saints?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU
Again, propaganda has an amazing power."
You are right.
Too many people believe that pro-terrorist propaganda.
The Journalist killed put themselves in harms way. They have nobody to blame but themselves.
The Israelis attacked a terrorist then came back to finish the job. The alleged civilians were giving aid and support to terrorist.
So all the inhabitants of the Gaza strip are terrorists?
From: United States, New York City
"The Israelis attacked a terrorist then came back to finish the job. The alleged civilians were giving aid and support to terrorist."
So all the inhabitants of the Gaza strip are terrorists?
Those that give aid, comfort housing and support to terrorists are terrorist themselves.
I would suggest that young children aren't terrorist but they are put in harms way as cannon fodder by their parents. Their deaths and or injuries are not the fault of the Israelis.
I see. So from your post what I'm extrapolating is that only young children in Gaza are worthy of living. Am I correct?
Dannyoo, can you please write something More comprehensive?
Israel, is NOT gods People...
Cibby, Remember AnthonyC helps you more then he can harm you...
Do not put words in my mouth. Don't even try. If you do you will just look even more irrational.
I don't need to resort to as much. In any event any who take more the a cursory look at the plight of the palestinians would easily realize where fault lies. In any event that's a discussion more appropiate in a forum setting than here. Another time and place Mr. C. I'm sure world events will allow us to visit this issue once again in the near future.
Put it this way....
A man walks to you and punches you.
You say excuse Me !
So, he punches you again.
You say, Hey wait...
Seeing you did nothing, He punches you again and again, only this time harder.
You say....hey now wait a minute !
Now this Man seeing you did nothing, now targets your Family, Friends and Neighbors . Not with punches but with bullets and bombs.
AND THE DEATH TOLL RISES
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS....
At what point would you say enough is enough ?
So you grow some %^$@# and decide ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, NO MORE, NEVER AGAIN.
So you look for this Man only to find out that he hides behind areas heavily populated with Woman & Children............FRUSTRATING ISN'T IT...
This Man is a real coward, He's willing to sacrifice the innocent Woman and Children for His twisted ideology.
I have to ask yourself WHAT KIND OF GOD DOES THIS MAN SERVE...
TRULY...... MY BELIEF IS....WE DON'T SERVE THE SAME GOD.
Almost forgot....The whole U.S did not commend the Gaza action, only OH'Blama.
Could it be Mr. Change and Hope was also betting on the Saudi oil with that famous bow-down.
I think he missed by 180%, funny how He reminds all of His middle Name and how proud He is of His Fathers Religion, and what Country's Schools He attended.
And to think Mr. Hope & Change was also counting on the Hugo-A-Go-Go Lubricant Oil.
REALITY IS MOST ARAB COUNTRY'S DON'T GIVE A S%$# ABOUT THE PALESTINIANS.
Slowly the American People are finally opening there eyes and they don't like what they see.....
The U.S Destruction from the inside out.
Does Mr. Hope & Change realize the impact He has on the World as We know it.
REAL CHANGE WILL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL 2012
Take care.
Does the British ring a bell.........
Does the British ring a bell........."
What's your point?
Chavez is buying the Dominican Republic as we speak. Low interest loans is putting the whole country in his bed like it or not. You aren't nieve enough to think there isn't a grand plan here, are you?
Yes you blame the "Odderguy" just like your parents before you and their parents before them. NOT one person in the DR cares to take responsibility.
The US signed one end of the agreement, who signed the other, "odderguy".
You care to be in bed with Nutty Hugo fine, just don't wish that BS on the rest of us who actually live here in the DR and not sucking off the tit of the US of A.
Dumbest bunch of sheep waiting for a slaughter I have ever seen.
The establishment of an Israeli State would help U.S interest in the Middle East, like it or not.
War of words and threats.
So are...Landmines, Gas, fair treatment of War Prisoners, cluster bombs etc.. etc..
I say...Terror attacks on the Civilian population or the use of Civilian population as Human shields is uncalled for.
NICE TO HAVE RULES OF WAR, SAD TO SAY...GO RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW IN THE HEAT OF COMBAT...
Just ask your selves, Where was the World's outrage and protest when Israeli Civilians were being targeted and attacked on a daily bases with indiscriminately fired rockets.
We don't have any control of what happens over there. We can only Hope & Pray these waring People will put their differences aside and reach some sort of Peace agreement that ALL WILL HONOR, one can not live in the past and expect to move forward.
When will MAN EVER LEARN.
But...you're posting out of NYS..LOL
Escott, ask yourself how much property is owned by Venezuelans in DR and how much is owned by Spanish interest, Am I to assume, using your logic, that Spain has designs on DR? For the Spanish own WAY more propert in DR than the Venezuelans. Get a clue,
Soo,,,are you condoning the terrorist attacks that the zionists committed in their zeal to set up the Isreali state? Hable claro.
I agree. The problem is that people have been indoctrinated to view the palestinians and the arabs by extension in a certain way. It's a shame because of one looked at what's happening to the palestinians one would realize that those people are getting, and have been getting, screwed over royally. The disinformation campaign surrounding the whole issue is astounding but luckily all the info one needs to see what's happening is readily available for any who care to look.
Ms. Sanchez herself a former republican, who opportunistically changed parties to run against Mr. Dornan, is probably appealing to the right wing fascist in her district who are funneling Miami Cuban/Venezuelan rightwing dineros!
I hope her next move is not to request that the 82nd Airborne be sent in!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dornan
No I don't condone the Murder of any People's.
TU HABLA CLARO Are you then trying to justify the repeated attacks on the Israeli Civilian population as some sort JUSTIFIABLE payback ?
Many Months ago here in the city of Palmdale where I live we have a Mosque that marched, protested and rallied against the Israeli bombing of Gaza. Many displayed pictures of Woman & Children injured & killed [that's what happens when one uses Civilians as shields]. So I asked one of the protesters why wait until the bombing of Gaza by the Israeli, despite many warning by the Israeli's it would retaliate Militarily, yet the rockets kept falling. why not protest the repeated rockets attacks on Israeli settlements. Her answer....The Israeli's deserved it. Am I to assume you fell the same way ?
MANY WRONGS DON'T MAKE ONE RIGHT.
Never have i said that. Now, can you say with an absolute certainty that those people killed where indeed being used as human sheilds or are you just parroting what you here on the boobtube?
One only sees what one wants to see, one only hears what one wants to hear, one only believes what one wants to believe and at many times it's far from the whole truth.
So I'm left wondering why don't one of the many Neighboring Arab Country's just donate some nice Dessert real estate which could bring an end to the Palestinian Crises once and for all. But then again I'm reminded.....Very few Arab Country's give a S$%# about the Palestinian's anyway and will use the Palestinians and there cause to do their dirty work against Israel for them.
WHAT IF...
Mexico or Haiti used the same dirty tactics the Palestinians use ?
Would you think different ?
Devin11,
To think the North Koreans make verbal threats using Nukes all the time and with luck so will the Iranians..... Maybe the Iranians will pass some know how ??? to the Palestinians, boy I could surely sleep much much better tonight knowing that.
Take care Guys.
From: United States
WHAT IF...
Mexico or Haiti used the same dirty tactics the Palestinians use ?
Would you think different ?
What if Haiti took over Dominican land and claimed it as there own because the Voodoo gods told them that D.R. belonged to the Haitians. What if the Dominican people were driven out of their homes and land and forced to live under a system of apartheid with checkpoints that make them unable to maintain gainful employment. What if the Dominican people were forced to live in slums under the most horrible conditions. Would you feel different? Would you under these circumstances do the unthinkable? Would you?
If israel doesn't want Iran to have nuclear weapons (which I don't either), instead of bombing Iran why doesn't Israel dismantle their own nuclear warheads in exchange for Iran to stop building up their nuclear capacities? Israel will still have the strongest military of the region even without nukes.
"So I'm left wondering why don't one of the many Neighboring Arab Country's just donate some nice Dessert real estate which could bring an end to the Palestinian Crises once and for all."
Why should the palestinians leave a land that their ancetors knew well? How would you feel if Haiti was somehow propped up by some superpower, attacked DR constantly without any retribution from the outseide world, and forced out huge swaths of it's population into the exterior... Would you consider it a fair deal, if say, Brazil intervened and offered the Dominicans that would be left some land in Brazil's interior? Do you understand what I'm saying? Palestine is their homeland. All here know what a "pedacito de tierra" means to a people.
When ever a small Country or State which is no match Militarily to it's sworn enemy, then the only tactic left is self justified Terrorism plain and simple, all in the name of Allah.
Will Hamas, Hezbollah and the bunch ever take responsibility for their action ?
switch to some other T.V stations for news instead of the one sided CNN. Why not Try the BBC, or Fox News.
All Wars Historically are about Land / territory anyway.
At least CAN WE ALL AGREE TO DISAGREE on that.
Take care.
Indeed, but we live in an era where world opinion is of some value and it's important for people to be informed as to who are the aggressors in certain instances for from there comes condemnation. I sincerely hope you study the Palestininan situation a little more carefully. These people are dying a slow death in their own land and it's one of the biggest tragedies occuring in our time. I sincerely and whole-heartedly believe that.
Come on....Can Iran really be trusted ? Iran has financed and supported World wide terrorism even Iraq's insurgents using mostly Russian made weapons.
Just ask your self.......When has Israel with Nukes, largest Army and kick ass Air force in the Region has ever stopped Palestinian Terrorist.
Take care.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_ga....level_imports/current/import.html
Nobody in that region can be trusted, nobody. Guess who sold Iran military weaponry during the height of the US hostage crisis in Iran. Do you think that the offending country should be considered a friend of the US after committing such an act? Care to guess which country that was, the answer will surprise you.
Sources for Israeli weapons sales to Iran during the hostage crisis include,
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, January 1987
The Israeli Connection: Who Israel Arms and Why (Pantheon Books, 1987)
The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy (Mearsheimer / Walt, 2007)
Had the Palestinians been responsible for this betrayal every grade school student in Europe and the western hemisphere from the age of 7 would know about it. They would also be reminded of it right through graduate school.
WHAT ELSE IS NEW.
But at least there's thousands of happy free Iraqi's....Minus the infighting between the Shiites vs. Sunni's, a quick pull out could result in a nasty little Civil war, which I'm sure Iran will be grateful for.
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!
Once again, he's out of bounds
10. Capitalist pigs poke fun about the size of his putter.
9. He has nationalized all of the recreational balls in that country.
8. His booty looks really big when he wears his canary yellow Dockers.
7. He has a phobia about doing math in public and likes to eat pencils.
6. Daniel Ortega now wants a tip every time he caddies.
5. Venezuelan golfers are bourgeois and always make him cart jockey.
4. He feels if someone shoots a birdie, the people have a right to eat it.
3. Anyone who asks him about his handicap is immediately jailed.
2. Based on socialism, everyone should end up with the same score.
1. Lazy man's sport, misuse of public lands, much like chasing his wife around the lawn.