Written by: Perez, 12 Aug 2009 1:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic
What Idiot said that we are Mestizo? We are Mulatto! get that Sh#t straight!. Who ever made this report is instigating!. Of course I don't approve the mistreatment of haitians, because they are humans and deserve to live, but if they strike, then they should be expected to get striked back!
and yes, we are mestizo too so therefore we are tripartite! Did i spelled the word right?
From: Germany, Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz
So, let us break a country by breaking its law.
It is a nice way to break the whole World too.
No Right to Rights, go ahead ...
Written by: xwill7, 12 Aug 2009 2:27 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
who ever created this report does have both sides of the story
From: Dominican Republic
we cant deport hatian but puerto rico can deport dominicans
Written by: vacanos, 12 Aug 2009 2:31 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
what this report mean is for us dominican TO BEND OVER
Written by: vacanos, 12 Aug 2009 2:32 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
we got no soverign in our country unfreakinbelievable amazing. where in the hell is balaguer? i know i know
Written by: vacanos, 12 Aug 2009 2:34 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
we know what is leonel response YES WE KNOW WE WORKING ON IT
Written by: josean, 12 Aug 2009 2:35 PM
From: United States
El tabaco es fuerte pero hay que fumarselo!
Written by: Gringo_1, 12 Aug 2009 3:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
Consider the source:
"Something about this has a familiar ring to it. The Council on Hemispheric Affairs – an influential liberal Washington think-tank – has retracted another article from its website after the piece’s jaw-dropping conclusions unleashed what senior editor Larry Birns calls an “intense dispute on the part of outside critics.” Our readers will remember that, on September 14, 2007, COHA published an article by research associate Michael Glenwick, titled “Préval of Haiti—A Provisional Report Card: Grade B+.” In addition to some tortured punctuation in the article’s title, Glenwick made a number of statements that were surprising, to say the least, to anyone following the news from Haiti since a rightwing paramilitary uprising overthrew democratically-elected president Jean-Bertrand Aristide."
"And now COHA has backed down again from another report full of dishonest rhetoric and innuendo better suited to the State Department than a critical organization purportedly co
Written by: Gringo_1, 12 Aug 2009 3:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
And now COHA has backed down again from another report full of dishonest rhetoric and innuendo better suited to the State Department than a critical organization purportedly committed to the defense of democracy in the Carribean and Latin America. Let’s try a little harder next time, eh Larry? The future of a hemisphere is on the line..."
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/....dishonest-article-haitis-aristideLiberal Agenda!
Written by: Lautaro, 12 Aug 2009 3:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Liberal lefty trash at its finest. It doesn't even deserve to be called a libel or a pamphlet.
Written by: Gringo_1, 12 Aug 2009 3:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
I wish this sort of craaaaaaaaap! wasn't reported as a legitimate news article or study. There is clearly an agenda here. The DR government needs to call them on the facts!
Written by: Lautaro, 12 Aug 2009 3:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Such as the fact that they are better treated over here than in their own country, which is saying something all by itself.
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
Is funny how this report says that is the Dominican leadership, reflecting the attitude of the general population.
what a load of crap, don't they know is the Dominican Government on their own together with the military and industrial establishment that have for decades turn the lights off at the border so a cuatrillion undocumented haitian can cross to the dominican side unchecked.
They don't even know how many haitians are living in DR at the moment.
and i wonder what this people will say once the fire start and the real ugly face of my people comes out.?
Written by: antonioj, 12 Aug 2009 3:16 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Who ask VACANOS the DT's clown his opinions ??
Written by: Lautaro, 12 Aug 2009 3:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Josean said: "Nothing like attacking the messenger to discredit the message!"
Because the messenger himself is indulging in the same fault that he's pointing his finger at. Haven't you heard the phrase: "Mira al burro hablandole al conejo de orejas"? They have no morals to point fingers when they're themselves disdainful of them. If you don't believe this, ask any haitian about how they are treated by your liberal majesties, the almighty and saintly bostonians, and see what you get. Just like in the XVIIIth century "the only good indian is a dead indian", for the american liberal left the only good haitian is "a dead haitian". They just want to dump Haiti's problems on us, and you're foolishly cheerleading for them.
Written by: Cacique, 12 Aug 2009 3:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic
It's like the ass calling the rabbit big-eared
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
josean comentarios como el tuyo te pueden causar una expulsion del PRD, acuerdate de que lado de la isla tu vives?
por si te olvido es PARTIDO REVOLUCIONARIO DOMINICANO, o.k piti
Written by: antonioj, 12 Aug 2009 3:26 PM
From: Canada, home safe
I am thinking like a record 200 post
Written by: josean, 12 Aug 2009 3:31 PM
From: United States
The Lie-onelitas always seem to think that bringing up the PRD excuses their own maladies.
Written by: bernies, 12 Aug 2009 3:32 PM
From: United States, key west fl
well a least we are not building walls and using dogs to keep them out like they do in the USA-MEXICO BORDER or like in the Northen African countries crossing with Spain. So let me get this right if a haitian is busted for been undocumented in the land of the freedom, he gets to get deported back to his native country and that is alright. But if the same thing is done in the DR then it is called racism give me a brake.
Written by: vacanos, 12 Aug 2009 3:33 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
forum's clown "Who ask VACANOS the DT's clown his opinions ??"
This haitian MARRANITO here got his feeling hurt by vacanos. lol
Written by: Gringo_1, 12 Aug 2009 3:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
The messenger is as corrupt as what they are fighting. They are clearly a liberal think tank funded by the Hatian American lobby with probably the help of the Obama administration. It is always easier to blame someone else than accept your own shortcomings.
This report was clearly written to further someone's agenda. Like Lautaro said, it doesn't even deserved to be called a pamphlet, but CNN will be running it like a real news story.
Written by: bernies, 12 Aug 2009 3:37 PM
From: United States, key west fl
no they shall not get it. two wrong cannot make it right correct?
Written by: Gringo_1, 12 Aug 2009 3:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
Written by: vacanos, 12 Aug 2009 3:41 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
forum's clown "I am thinking like a record 200 post"
i am thinking since you are haitian is none of your business marrano!
Written by: josean, 12 Aug 2009 3:41 PM
From: United States
So then all the Dominicans who were born in the US while there parents were undocumented should have their US citizenship rescinded?
Written by: bernies, 12 Aug 2009 3:42 PM
From: United States, key west fl
I mentioned to some of my compadres that once Obama gets elected as usa president the pression would be on Us dominican to acept the haitians like nothing has happen. We have two different cultures and speak two differents languages and also think different. Just look at what they have done to their own country cut down all trees for charchoal. I have spoken to some haitians in Miami and guess what they have to say. That the problem with haiti is with the haitians white men.
Written by: bernies, 12 Aug 2009 3:45 PM
From: United States, key west fl
I am in favor of that if their parents broke the law. But to my understanding THE usa has a different imigration law than the one in the DR.
Written by: vacanos, 12 Aug 2009 3:45 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
josean "So then all the Dominicans who were born in the US while there parents were undocumented should have their US citizen ship rescinded?"
if you ask me yes. so according to you every nation should regulate their citizenship on us standard. did you know in japan in order for you to get the citizenship both of your parent need to be born in that country.
From: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona
stop trying to apply American Law to a Dominican situation you lefty weanie .....you are part of the problem this is not Monkey see Monkey do.....and yes the PRD suxed
Written by: josean, 12 Aug 2009 3:54 PM
From: United States
Yes wikipedia, I knew that, but the issue is DR Haiti and the US as it relates to this issue. There aren't a lot of Haitians and Dominicans migrating illegally to Japan.
Written by: bernies, 12 Aug 2009 3:56 PM
From: United States, key west fl
so happens in switzerland if I am not mistaken. Josean the only thing that we Dominican are asking for is to have the right like evryother contries has. That is to deport anyone who is not legal in that country. Now let me ask you this, is that too much to ask. in fact we don't even have to ask that it is stablished on international inmigration laws. that if you are elegal in a country you are subject to be encarcelated, be fined and also be deported it isn't that correct?
Written by: Gringo_1, 12 Aug 2009 3:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
The USA has a different law. You are a citizen if you are born on US soil. That's why so many illegals come across the border while in labor. Places like Australia, you have no automatic right to citizenship even if you are born there and your parents are there legally, albeit non-Australians.
In a democracy, each country has the inalienable right to define what citizenship is.
From: United States
A day will come
Strong, calm,pragmatic, reasonable , and intelligent leaders will come
To solve this nagging problem
i am reading all your posts closely to see if I can predit who will be one of these leaders.
Written by: Gringo_1, 12 Aug 2009 4:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
The problem can never be solved. Every 10 years or so the USA grants amnesty and it just starts over again. Good Luck!
Written by: josean, 12 Aug 2009 4:00 PM
From: United States
No one is denying the DR the right to enforce its immigration laws. What people object is to the discriminatory way the constitutional provision of granting citizenship is applied, as it relates to Haitians who are born on Dominican soil.
“Dominican leadership, reflecting the attitude of the general population, continues to see Haitians as a lesser people and they have attempted, usually in contradiction of applicable law, to thwart Haitian efforts to achieve citizenship,” states the report ‘Stateless in the Dominican Republic’.
Written by: Gringo_1, 12 Aug 2009 4:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
And this article is a leftist attempt to apply external pressure on the DR to change its laws. Duh!
Written by: josean, 12 Aug 2009 4:09 PM
From: United States
The left international communist conspiracy is so outdated.
The Chinese commies are our bankers now, so lefties are good for the American way of life or at least the over consumption based on credit financed by the RED BOYS from BEJING!
Written by: Lautaro, 12 Aug 2009 4:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
josean said: "No one is denying the DR the right to enforce its immigration laws. What people object is to the discriminatory way the constitutional provision of granting citizenship is applied, as it relates to Haitians who are born on Dominican soil."
The issue here is that you're unable, unwilling, or both, to see the double standards that the lefty gringos are applying here. The DR is the only country in the Caribbean that is being called into attention for denying citizenship rights to haitian inmigrants, even though ALL the other islands/countries/commonwealth of the vicinity ARE DOING THE SAME. We know of your legendary hatred against Leonel and the government, but please, leave our country and people out of your bloody vendetta, for God's sake!!
Written by: bernies, 12 Aug 2009 4:16 PM
From: United States, key west fl
soveranity says do as you please on your soil that in my soil i do as i please. Josean have you ever heard this quote by Benito Juarez. (El respecto al derecho ageno es la Paz).
Written by: vacanos, 12 Aug 2009 4:21 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Remember we are in an island
Written by: vacanos, 12 Aug 2009 4:21 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Remember we are in an island
Written by: vacanos, 12 Aug 2009 4:21 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
josean "Yes wikipedia, I knew that, but the issue is DR Haiti and the US as it relates to this issue. There aren't a lot of Haitians and Dominicans migrating illegally to Japan."
First josean if you see someone more vacano than you showing you fact don’t take it as the world beat the crap out of you with cheap shot diminishing that person with insult it will lower you as a person and people will not take you seriously.
second DOMINICAN REPUBLIC is a sovereign nation as is Japan, USA, SWEDEN, ECT so what is apply to one nation apply to the other without being hick jacked for the sole purpose of benefit of other.
third josean if we go to your logic of giving these Haitian with undocumented parent Dominican citizenship HOW LONG BEFORE THEY OVER-RUN US AND TAKE AWAY OUR IDENTITY? any Haitian by your logic will learn a few Spanish learn how to say perejil and jump to DR and will say they don’t have no paper in their country because they were born in DR.
From: United States
Yeah keep going at each other.
I am still evaluating your posts to select new leades.
Calm, reasonable,pragmatic.strong,intelligent these are the qualities i am looking for.
we need 1000 posts.
Written by: vacanos, 12 Aug 2009 4:30 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
josean "The Chinese commies are our bankers now, so lefties are good for the American way of life or at least the over consumption based on credit financed by the RED BOYS from BEJING!"
josean wake up broder chinese govt right now is the biggest capitalist country on earth that is a fact. what is left of the commies way is their dealing of silencing their people
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
lautaro
josean is the best example of why DR should never give citizenship to the cuatrillion haitians living in DR, once they get it, they will turn on you.
Just like josean does't appreciate the honor that is been a member of the glorious partido revolucionario DOMINICANO. in the first sign of trouble he'll switch sides like the little political prostitute he is.
I'm kind of glad this bullzhitt report came out, maybe it will awake the craken and the government will start cleaning up the house
Written by: josean, 12 Aug 2009 4:39 PM
From: United States
"specifically 3million illegals'
Where is this statistic from?
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
the oldest in the world it is, the diference is, i'm the son of a dominican one, and you wish you were
Written by: josean, 12 Aug 2009 4:46 PM
From: United States
You see this is why when I make statement on this forum I always reference a source, rather than pulling the facts out of a rectal orifice.
Written by: Lautaro, 12 Aug 2009 4:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Specially when we take into account that the DR IS NOT THE USA, and being the Third World country that it is, it can't give itself the luxury of receiving the social outcasts of another society, even more when it has a duty to fulfill to its own social outcasts. Why is this little BIG fact so difficult to swallow for josean and the people that think like him?
Written by: antonioj, 12 Aug 2009 4:59 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: vacanos, 12 Aug 2009 4:21 PM
From: United States
Remember we are in an island
"
Vacanus just learned something ???? we should never give up, for someone with an IQ lower than a dog, that is progress.
Written by: josean, 12 Aug 2009 5:09 PM
From: United States
You know stubborn thing, those things called facts!
Written by: antonioj, 12 Aug 2009 5:17 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: Estrella, 12 Aug 2009 4:28 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn, NY
ergo dominicans would still not like if illegals, specifically 3million illegals (25% of total pop) were on there soil
"
Please provide the sources of your figures, otherwise make the correction, no need to up the ante, everyone with half a brain know there are a large amount of Haitians migrant living in DR however to go as far as falsifying the numbers to bring your point across is down right DISGUSTING.
Written by: Gringo_1, 12 Aug 2009 5:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
It doesnt matter if it is 1 million or 2 million. They are illegal. And I don't buy the crap that illegal haitians don't have access to health care. In any event, the government denies basic services to all residents, legal or otherwise.
Written by: josean, 12 Aug 2009 5:28 PM
From: United States
And if my aunt had testes she would be my uncle!
Rather than going through these mathematical contortions, just admit you got carried away with emotions and you exaggerated the numbers.
It’s OK, it happens all the time to the best of the xenophobes!
Written by: xwill7, 12 Aug 2009 5:31 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
border wall must come up
From: United States
i am looking for smart, wise leaders from both sides who will provide a sensible solution to this conflict ( conflict means that The Dominican Republic can not feed both Dominicans and Haitians at the same time).
I am looking for these leaders who do not suffer from HDHSM ( Haitians Dominicans Siempre Hablando Mierda
From: United States
I predict 1000 hostile comments
From: United States
75 hostile comments so far, it is not bad
Written by: Gringo_1, 12 Aug 2009 5:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
I don't feeling patriotic or standing up for your nation is hostile???????
Written by: antonioj, 12 Aug 2009 5:45 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: Estrella, 12 Aug 2009 5:21 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn, NY
anton
again read earlier post of mine:
"
A simple correction that is all , no need to come up with fancy math or stat, probably will not caught it . Come on est, if you want me to keep reading your posting with legitimacy.
Written by: antonioj, 12 Aug 2009 6:29 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Great Estrella always take a bigger man or woman to admit error, now go and juego bonito
Written by: antonio1, 12 Aug 2009 7:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Is Rene Preval dead?
Written by: danny00, 12 Aug 2009 7:24 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
what im saying is ok! dominicans do not get great jobs in other countries but at least if they want to work hard they will make it. look at this please 5. dominican to run for nyc mayor
dominican-born frances villar has submited her candidacy to be mayor of new york city.
dominicians hire and bring the haitians across the border or at the least many of them in not all of them. the united states gives all dominicians and all others the same chance for a good life. or at least one life with elec 24/7 each day instead of living in the dark in some hut.
Written by: danny00, 12 Aug 2009 7:29 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
one day i was in puerto plata saw the police round up many haitians, women, childern, men throw they in the back of pick up trucks like they where aminals..... some haitians where crying they had a visa to be in the country this did not help they police took them anway {back to haiti}... this would not happen in the states or other countries...and please dominicans are not going to cut sugar cane please.... p-lease, please..... please..... dont tell me... yes they will stand around and watch them as they drink their presdiente beer.... but no they are not going to do this work or many other jobs the haitians do...
Written by: danny00, 12 Aug 2009 7:37 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
complain if haitians really aren't affecting the daily lives of dominicans yes i think your correct in your statement..... i never seen any haitians affect any dominicians lives... this does not mean it does not happen but in total most are very hard working folks.... "whats the problem".....some bad apples ok! but how many bad dominicians in other countries making mucho problems? you want to go to santo domingo and see the plane coming in each month with a plane load of the scumb with u.s. agents..... in spain the dominican gangs that are causing major problems over their just like they do in new york city....
Written by: antonio1, 12 Aug 2009 7:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
The Haitians that come legally to make a living are not the problem for most Dominican, the problem are does that go out to influence NGO that masked in secrecy to trash my country. We live next to a fail state that does not have the resource or will to control illegal immigration, so what the hell we do?.......where is Rene Preval
Written by: danny00, 12 Aug 2009 7:40 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
lynch them is that the answer?.... dont see any gangster dominicians being lynch in new york city...hey! have a dominican women running for mayor of new york city.... ok! shes not going to beat out mike bloomberg but just look shes dominician and a women..... new your gave her a chance to be on the MAP OF REAL LIFE..... chance is the key word....
Written by: antonio1, 12 Aug 2009 7:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
I suggest to the Council on Hemispheric Affairs (COHA) to ask Obama to give Puerto Rico its independence and take Haiti as a territory, will that work for you. .Boy?.
Written by: danny00, 12 Aug 2009 7:47 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
ANTONIO i do understand this..... but im talking about other issues...... look at the mexician border just look... YOU ARE RIGHT CONTROL THEIR HAS TO BE CONTROL....
maybe the army and police should stop taking payoffs at the border.... BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM.... i dont have the answer for this problem.... only speak about and the TRUTH I DO SPEAK on what i do see ... also i do see MANY DOMINICIANS GETING ALONG WELL WITH THE HAITIANS........
danny from florida
{my mother is dominican}
Written by: danny00, 12 Aug 2009 7:53 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
no one wants to help the haitians.... not only the dr.... but also the united states im talking about REAL HELP.....no one has ever realy helped them only token help to look good for the moment....hey
! but some thing has to be worked out they do share the same island thith us dont they. looks like BILL CLITON IS GOING TO BAT FOR THEM MAYBE THIS WILL HELP THE COUNTRY TO SOME DEGREE
Written by: antonio1, 12 Aug 2009 8:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
I suggest to the Council on Hemispheric Affairs (COHA) ask Obama to give Puerto Rico its independence and take Haiti as a territory, will that work for you. ?.
Written by: nycgirl, 12 Aug 2009 8:22 PM
From: United States, nyc
Bernie's right. The big problem IS with the light skinned Haitians.They have always been the "ruling class" . It is no coincidence that the darker you are ,the poorer you are there. You don't even see them anymore.15-20 years ago you would go to a resort in Juan dolio or wherever and there would be busloads of them on holiday. It is a problem the UN should have nipped in the bud long ago,didn't, but still can.
I don't have a problem with them speaking their language, the DR could use another language.Another culture?,not that different really, food is more or less the same, lovely music and here in the USA- they work their butts off! in Philly most are likely to be home owners than African Americans.Same goes for most Hispanic groups VS the Puerto Ricans in NY. What does bugs most in the DR?- being that Dark?.We are all of God.
I hope This is really just about economics, The DR is not a rich country, but manages.A Devestir un santo para vestir el otro is not the way either.
Written by: wents22, 12 Aug 2009 8:22 PM
From: United States, New York City
A lot of pressure on The Dominican Republic right now. As long as Haiti remains poor, The Dominican Republic will continue to have more immigrants from Haiti. The Haitian government must definately step up to its game, otherwise the eastern side of the island will become another Haiti.
Written by: nycgirl, 12 Aug 2009 8:30 PM
From: United States, nyc
Written by: antonio1, 12 Aug 2009 8:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
I suggest to the Council on Hemispheric Affairs (COHA) ask Obama to give Puerto Rico its independence and take Haiti as a territory, will that work for you. ?.
YES! IT WOULD FOR ME... It would be like a massive "trading places" Eddie Murphy movie social experiment.. and we will see the outcome in in like 5 years. As long as COHA micromanages both governments .
Written by: antonio1, 12 Aug 2009 8:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
LOL nycg
Written by: yumnuk3, 12 Aug 2009 8:51 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
Human rights in Haiti
Abuses against women and children are common. Rape, although illegal, rarely results in prosecution of the perpetrator. Haitian law excuses a husband for murdering his wife if the wife is found in an adulterous affair.
kidnapping, torture, and unlawful incarceration are common unofficial practices, especially during periods of coups or attempted coups.
Many journalists, practice a measure of self-censorship in order to protect themselves from retribution.
http://www.answers.com/topic/human-rights-in-haitiWritten by: nycgirl, 12 Aug 2009 10:02 PM
From: United States, nyc
People rape and kill everywhere, what does that have to do with anything? Hell some places a victims own family will kill her, for GETTING RAPED, think- some Muslim countries, but they don't do that here, why? because they would be jailed at the very least.
My point? people adapt to where they are if they want to stay somewhere.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
No matter how big our heads might be, fact remains that DR is a small 3rd world country with low financial resources and all of the problems that go along with that.
Very few countries in world could afford to unnaturally increase their population by 5-10 % or higher, without dire socio-economic consequences.
It is not an issue of Hatian hatred, although in every society you will have people who are inclined to hate even their own. In fact, there are certain contributors to this forum who seem to be against everything. To them, good news is bad news and bad news is worse news. Period.
Dominicans just want their country back, and our neighbors to repatriate. They might just not be going about it the right way.
We should work cooperatively with Haitians and world community to address the issues of reforestation and economic development and growth. With these initiatives in place, Haitians will repatriate on their own, for they love their country, too-I am sure.
Written by: colmado, 12 Aug 2009 10:30 PM
From: United States, Dirty South
Perhaps someone should outsource the services of les Tontons Macoutes.
Written by: generoso, 12 Aug 2009 11:35 PM
From: United States, DR
What do the Haitians bring to the table, when they cross the border illegally, breaking all laws, encouraged by their government that does not want to take care of them? How come the Haitian government refuses to provide their children with documents, after the mothers visit the Haitian consulate in DR, waiting for the "one year rule" to expire so they will become stateless?
The Haitian government and the international community especially the US, France and Great Britain that do not want the Haitians to come knocking at their doors want to shove the Haitian problem as the responsibility of the DR.
Most Haitians are treated well in DR, 40% of occupancy in public hospitals is composed of pregnant Haitian mothers that are not denied care.
This week in Puerto Rico the Dominican consul Maximo Taveras denounced that the PR police were spraying pepper spray on Dominicans that were residing illegally in a compound, after they cut all power, water, and other services to force them to leave.
Written by: generoso, 12 Aug 2009 11:40 PM
From: United States, DR
Con't
These Dominicans were not resisting eviction, still they were sprayed by police with pepper spray and brutalized.
Why didn't this organization complained about xenophobia to the Puerto Rican authorities?
Why they didn't complain when the Bahamian authorities rammed a boat full of Haitian refugees and most drowned in the high seas?
Why don't they complain about the US naval blockade around the north coast of Haiti, effectively sending all Haitian illegals back immediately?
Because they want the DR to be the ONLY escape valve for the Haitian exodus, since the Haitians are unwanted by them.
Pulling the race card on the DR and accusing us of being racist and xenophobic with their more than 150 full time ONG's that are paid, to spread these lies, is not going to solve the Haitian problem, but in time will effectively overflow the DR with all their unwanted citizens so there will be two failed states in the island, instead of just one.
From: Canada
I lived eight years in Cabarete and me can you statements that people as Antonio.j it is raining there there.
My french FRENCHY come back.
Watch out your ass.
From: Canada
@
antonioj,
A simple correction that is all , no need to come up with fancy math or stat, probably will not caught it . Come on est, if you want me to keep reading your posting with legitimacy.
My friend,who asked you,to read this posting???
Well come back the FRENCHY COME BACK.
From: Canada
@ Estrella,
You're right my dear .I lived in R.D. 8 years and it's impossible what I saw.
I visited the campo in the batey at Puerto Plata.
Now,I know why the dominicans don't wand work in the batey.
Nobody want to work over there.
I can sew the Dominicans have slaves
Yes my dear the people must know about that.
Gilles Beaulieu.Montréal.Québec.Canada.
montrealgb@hotmail.com.
From: United States, Rock Hills, North Carolina
Long live Quisqueya...Una, e indivisible...
From: Canada
Quisqueya is the island Haiti and Dominican Republic
No piensa ....Una, e indivisible.
Wen you said indivisible you think ,just one country??
The Dominicans don't want..
From: Canada
R.D. at needs of Haitiens as slave in the same capacity as U.S.A. have needs of the Dominicans as slaves in New York.
The majority of the Dominicans in New York work on the black and the majority of the Dominican work as prostitutes.
Good cogitation.
Los R.D. en necesidades de Haitiens como el esclavo en la misma capacidad que U.S.A. tienen necesidades de los dominicanos como esclavos en Nueva York.
La mayoría de los dominicanos en Nueva York trabaja en el negro y la mayoría del trabajo dominicano como prostitutas.
Cavilación buena.
Written by: antonio1, 13 Aug 2009 6:12 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Go Away TERMITE......do you have a message, or are you just exercising your keyboard?
Written by: generoso, 13 Aug 2009 7:10 AM
From: United States, DR
Estrella
The Dominicans that were sprayed with pepper spray, harassed and had their water and power cut by police were not illegal immigrants, they were squatters on private or government land part of a community. Had they been illegal the they would have been quickly arrested and deported.
The point is how they were treated by the PR authorities, like animals with no human rights and called xenophobic names like "dirty blacks" and so on.
Any country in the world that violates the basic human rights should be condemned and chastised, and this includes the DR.
The DR does not treat the illegal Haitians in any similar way, shape or form like the Dominicans immigrants in Puerto Rico were treated.
From: Canada
The U.S.A. deported 1,800 Dominicans Criminals.Mafiosos every years,since 1998.
more than 20,000 mafiosos.
Imagine you received 150 mafiosos every month since 11 years,in your beautiful country .
And you tack about Haitians,are you serious???
Are you really dummy??
You live in New-York like a cheap bum and you tack about the Haitians who work in your country,the Haitians,who make the work than the dominican can't make??
Wake up stupid.
Written by: ElProfe 
, 13 Aug 2009 8:38 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Jarabacoa
Cubans, Haitians Dominicans and Mexicans risk there lives trying to get to the United States to find a better way of living. The United States did not belong to the white man. It belonged to the American Indians and Mexico. Then came along the white man and stole there land from them. So think! If you were an American Indian or a Mexican in those days, how do you think they felt? WHO IS RIGHT? WHAT IS RIGHT?
I think the answer to this whole problem would be for ALL the Islands of the Carrabin (Cuba, La Hispaniola) to become a union of the United States. This would bring an end to allot of the problems that we are all having. Think about it....
No more Cubans, Haitians and Dominicans taking to sea on anything that floats.
A less corrupt government, Better education, Power 24/7/365, and best of ALL we would all be Americans.
GOD BLESS AMERICA
From: United States
I thought this forum was conceived so Dominicans can discuss issues that concern the Dominican Republic and debate solutions
Unfortunately , It has turned into in cockfighting pit. I know now why cocks fight .They possess a congenial aggresion toward all males of the same species.
On a brighter note
Cinemam cafe's thursdays of blues and jazz are featuring local trios
Dominican musicians are showing their appreciation and passion for these art form:Jazz and Blues
Jazz and Blues invented by POOR Blacks in Mmerica .It evolved from Old the Negro Spiritual
Latin America rhytms was introduced to modern jazz and blues by Dizzy Gillepsie through the collabration with latin artists such as Machito ans Chano Pozo.
I hope that the local Dominicans artist s will add the flavor of the beautiful Bachata to Jazz .
After all, bachata is the experience of poor Dominicans campesinos
Put down your weapons down, show a less scary and less angry face.
Pls -No ignorant responses
Written by: josean, 13 Aug 2009 10:03 AM
From: United States
Estrella,
I RESPECT you my friend, although on some issues and methods I may disagree with you.
Written by: vacanos, 13 Aug 2009 10:33 AM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
forum'sclown antonitoj "Please provide the sources of your figures, otherwise make the correction, no need to up the ante, everyone with half a brain know there are a large amount of Haitians migrant living in DR however to go as far as falsifying the numbers to bring your point across is down right DISGUSTING."
If I will not know the limitation of this low life haitian retard prick I will think this boozo is one of the NGO in our country but no i know him well as a instigator BRUTO who only come here pretending to be part of the haitian elite just because he is light skin.
Written by: telemeco, 13 Aug 2009 10:55 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
Drop a couple of NUKE,,,and the population level in Port Au Prince can be cut in half....Social Economy problem solve
Written by: xwill7, 13 Aug 2009 11:00 AM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
etiennc,
can I bet 100,000 pesos on the cock fight?
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
As a haitian Business man and a proud member of the Haitian Elite one thing I'm finally glad to see under the Preval Government is the consensus that we can n longer live in the gated villas in the hills while ignoring our brothers in cite soleil. Now we are willing to do our part finally we are paying our taxes,which was one of the key obligation for the IMF to eliminate our debt, increase in tax revenue. Business investments are being made in Cite soleil. Digicel came down and showed us what corporate social responsability is all about, and now our national companies whether by shame or not are trying to do the same, we just had a 100% minimum wage increase. While some of my counterparts bitch and morn, but we realize what happen after Aristide Left cannot happen again,and so we are trying to find solution for our strifes because at the end of the day we all have to live in haiti. I sincerely hope soon or later DR and haiti will realize the same in regard to Hispaniola.
Written by: antonioj, 13 Aug 2009 11:14 AM
From: Canada, home safe
"@General
after the mothers visit the Haitian consulate in DR, waiting for the "one year rule" to expire so they will become stateless?
"
Sound more like a strategy, they are being used as bargaining chip, looking forward... until real negotiation take place.
Written by: antonioj, 13 Aug 2009 11:20 AM
From: Canada, home safe
"@vacanus Forum's clown
If I will not know the limitation of this low life haitian retard prick I will think this boozo is one of the NGO in our country but no i know him well as a instigator BRUTO who only come here pretending to be part of the haitian elite just because he is light skin.
"
Your dog is writing your comments,I see some improvement. Next time watch out not to trip over your BIG clown's shoes, and please keep up entertained, you are the king off all the buffoons.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Aug 2009 11:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
PatDiamond said: "we just had a 100% minimum wage increase"
I have read that Preval has opposed this increase with tooth and nail, and that there has been massive protests for this negative. Does anyone knows if there has been some solution to this impasse? Has Preval relented on his position?
Written by: antonioj, 13 Aug 2009 11:34 AM
From: Canada, home safe
Bottom line the international community want to hold the Dominicans to emulate a higher stick when it's comes to human rights, however would the Dominicans prefer to emulate Haiti with respect to human rights ?. The question is how do you strike a balance with the international community and at the same time not appear to compromise to the arch conservative.
From: United States
patdiamond , that is what i am about talking about.
intelligent people solve problems , angry mobs attack each other o hablan mierda.
Just read what have been posted here.
Written by: vacanos, 13 Aug 2009 12:18 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
forum's clown "Your dog is writing your comments,I see some improvement. Next time watch out not to trip over your BIG clown's shoes, and please keep up entertained, you are the king off all the buffoons."
oh sure you betcha lechoncito at your expense hahaha
Written by: antonioj, 13 Aug 2009 12:37 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: GringoMontreal, 13 Aug 2009 2:51 AM
From: Canada
R.D. at needs of Haitiens as slave in the same capacity as U.S.A. have needs of the Dominicans as slaves in New York.
The majority of the Dominicans in New York work on the black and the majority of the Dominican work as prostitutes.Good cogitation.
Los R.D. en necesidades de Haitiens como el esclavo en la misma capacidad que U.S.A. tienen necesidades de los dominicanos como esclavos en Nueva York.
La mayoría de los dominicanos en Nueva York trabaja en el negro y la mayoría del trabajo dominicano como prostitutas.
Cavilación buena.
"
GringoMontreal, aka Clown CirqueDuSoleil
Are you using your online tools translator AGAIN !! ? You are funny !!
Written by: Miacol, 13 Aug 2009 12:56 PM
From: United States, Teaneck, NJ
First let me being by saying that to all who which to apply USA laws to DR, need to stop.
Second, if you gringos want to debate the issue, we are more then willing to come to the table and speak in a fair level playing field. Not with the constant treat, so we should do the same to Dominicans in the USA. We are two separate sovereign nations, with different laws, and different beliefs.
Third, I am asking everyone on this forum, in an intelligent and polite manner, to write your views to COHA about our Dominican position and ask for a retraction of the article, which is not fair because it does not apply the Dominican perspective of the situation. Also please write to the White House and President Obama asking that they must understand the Dominican position and to not try an enforce US laws on the sovereignty of the Dominican Republic.
Written by: antonioj, 13 Aug 2009 1:01 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: xwill7, 12 Aug 2009 5:31 PM
From: United States, Chicago
border wall must come up
"
I say give 5 years to negotiate repatriation and Haiti to clean up his mess, if both are negative, the wall should be comtemplated as a viable option. Let's not rush to judgement and let's hope we can keep our emotion under control before getting ourselves involved in costly undertaking.
Written by: Veaney, 13 Aug 2009 1:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Fine ! we put te victims and Haiti the assasine's
Written by: antonioj, 13 Aug 2009 1:08 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: Veaney, 13 Aug 2009 1:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Fine ! we put te victims and Haiti the assasine's
"
Is this french or english ??
Written by: josean, 13 Aug 2009 1:22 PM
From: United States
Miacol,
You contradict yourself; first you say not to apply US laws to DR even though undocumented Dominicans have children in the US who are automatically granted citizenship at birth, which we deny to the offspring of undocumented Haitians.
Then you ask us to write to President Obama not “enforce” US law on the Dominican Republic.
It appears some Dominicans have no problem having US law “enforced” on them when it is beneficial!
To be consistent and not hypocritical you should also call for undocumented Dominicans not to accept citizenship for the offspring born in the US when they are not willing to be reciprocal in granting Dominican citizenship to the children of undocumented Haitians in DR.
What’s good for the gander should be good for the goose!
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Aug 2009 1:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
josean said: "What’s good for the gander should be good for the goose!"
Even if the goose gets wrecked and bankrupted in the process? The fault in that reasoning is that you're ASSuming that the USA and the DR have similar levels of socioeconomic development and wealth (which they HAVE NOT), something that smacks of lunacy and wishful thinking. Although I would not be surprised at all if you suffered from the one and the other, seeing as how you're capable of putting political partisanship and enmities over the future well-being of the country that you call your own. "Let's act (or fervently pray and wish) for the DR to get screwed, after all, if it serves to ruin Leonel and the PLD, then it can't be that bad" seems to be your line of thinking. Granted, I'm as critical and annoyed of the DR political system as you are, but the way to fight it IS NOT wishing for the country as a whole to get more problems added to the ones that it already have. Social unrest serves no one in the end.
Written by: Perez, 13 Aug 2009 2:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic
You know what? let's bash the US situation with the illegal mexicans then! they always complain about our situatuions, yet they refuse to see theirs. What hypocrisy!
Written by: Perez, 13 Aug 2009 2:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic
You know what? let's bash the US situation with the illegal mexicans then! they always complain about our situatuions, yet they refuse to see theirs. What hypocrisy!
Written by: Gringo_1, 13 Aug 2009 2:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
Double Post = FAIL!
Written by: josean, 13 Aug 2009 3:26 PM
From: United States
This issue is beyond US versus Dominican versus Haitian laws, it is about Universal Human Rights that we are all entitled to!
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/Isn’t the DR a member of the UN and isn’t the “glorious intellectual” called Lie-onel Fernandez salivating at the mouth to get a seat on the security council, so he can shine as the Latin American Henry Kissinger; well then he should be begin by practicing at home what he preaches abroad.
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
LAUTARO
Lunacy is the correct diagnostic for this personaje, and you can call that a double wammy cause you also captioned his true identity and ethnicity by saying:
" you're capable of putting political partisanship and enmities over the future well-being of the country that you call your own."
That's how they think and act 90% of the time, and then people ask, why you want to build a border wall.
Y lo peor es que despues de toda la basura que habla tiene los timbales de decir que es dominicano.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Aug 2009 3:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
No tienes que decirlo dos veces, socio. Como bien dice el dicho "por sus frutos lo conocereis".
Written by: josean, 13 Aug 2009 3:37 PM
From: United States
Ser Dominicano no implica ser fascista, aunque para ustedes aparentemente son la misa cosa.
¡Matamos a Trujillo pero no al Trujillismo!
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Aug 2009 3:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Ser dominicano no implica ser un Pendejo (con P mayúscula), como aparentemente es tu caso. Pretendiendo ignorar que los liberales que escribieron tal reporte rechazan a los haitianos hasta más que nosotros. Tus epitetos no borran el hecho de que, con todo, los dominicanos somos la nación que más ha ayudado a Haiti a través de su turbulenta historia. El que tenga ojos para ver que vea y el que tenga oidos para oir que oiga.
Written by: ElProfe , 13 Aug 2009 3:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Jarabacoa
If GOD would have wanted walls. He would have put them in place from the Beginning.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Aug 2009 3:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
ElProfe said: "If GOD would have wanted walls. He would have put them in place from the Beginning."
He already did. Haven't you heard the story about the Tower of Babel? A language can be as steep and impassable a wall as the Alps and the Pyrenees.
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
que barbaro
si fueramos facistas tu no estarias disfrutando abiertamente de la democracia dominicana como lo haces ahora, eso mi hermano es ser hipocrita y vende patria, no pisotes el nombre de la patria que te dio albergue, oportunidades que en tu pais no existen, como justificas este reporte siendo tu mismo testigo de la bondad de mi pueblo, que hasta te dejan ser miembro de uno de sus mas gloriosos partidos politicos. Yo estoy seguro que toda esa basura que tu tienes en la mente no la hablas en el comite de base,si es cierto que de verdad eres PRDista.
Es por gente como tu doble cara que muchos en RD no quieren saber de tu gente.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Aug 2009 4:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Como ya dije anteriormente, su razonamiento parece ser "que se joda la RD, total, si en el proceso se joden Leonel Fernandez y el PLD, entonces no puede ser tan malo". Además, seguramente disfrutará viendo como el volcán explota desde la comodidad de su hogar, a través de CNN, a miles de kilómetros de distancia del lugar de los hechos.
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
ElProfe said:
If GOD would have wanted walls. He would have put them in place from the Beginning.
hey profe that's a great idea, if GOD's People are allow to build walls around Jerusalen maybe Dominicans should be allow to build at least a fence or something don't you think, I mean GOD didn't put those walls there around the west bank the jews did or only holy people allow to defend the integrity of their motherland.
Written by: ElProfe , 13 Aug 2009 4:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Jarabacoa
The best thing for this country and mine (Cuba) included, would be for the USA to take over. Then that will bring us all (Cubans, Dominicans and Haitians) the democracy we all deserve.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Aug 2009 4:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Forgive me if I have appeared to be rude on your eyes, Estrella, but it annoys me to no end the fact that the guy can't see that the people making this "report" (if it could be called such) have no morals whatsoever to be dictating us, specially when their foreign policies have served to create the problem and exacerbate it in the first place, plus, their own racial attitudes are worse than ours a thousand fold.
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
I'm with you estrella
It doesn't matter what we say here, nothing will be done,our government is to corrupt, but at the same time my people is fallen victims of malfeance and difamation by the same people we help and care for such a long time, i mean i know we dominicans can be pretty brutal and savage sometimes, but in general we're very tolerant and generous and when you see this trolls justifying this f*cking report even after enjoying our hospitality and good intention, is freaking frustrating.
a veces deceo como que caiga un meteorito o un terremoto y parta la jodia isla por la mitad para que de una vez por todas se resuelva la jodienda.
From: United States
Dominican and Haitian politicians and businessmen are laughing their asses at these execices in futilty.
What do you plan to accomplish with insulting each other ?
Who got the most humiliating insults?
Accept things you can not change.!!!!!!!!!!!
Lord give me courage to curb my adiction to ( HDSPM ) Haitians Dominicans Siempre Posting Mierda
Written by: josean, 13 Aug 2009 4:42 PM
From: United States
¡No hay nada en el mundo natural o inventado por seres humanos que duela mas que la verdad!
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Aug 2009 4:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Como dice el dicho "Mira al burro hablandole al conejo de orejas".
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Aug 2009 4:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I would gladly take a sermon about solidarity from anyone else except them. The atrocities of Jim Crow (and all their related absurdities, such as the ban on interracial marriage and segregation) are still too fresh for them to pretend to take on the mantle of saints.
Written by: Lautaro, 13 Aug 2009 5:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I mean, don't you see the absurdity of it, gringos lecturing US about racial solidarity, specially after all the baggage that they carry from the period of segregation (what is called the Jim Crow era) and their so called "one drop rule"?
Written by: josean, 13 Aug 2009 5:28 PM
From: United States
Estrella,
I understood what he was trying to say, but they are the ones who are always ready to ascribe political motives to my postings on this issue.
They are so blind in the xenophobia and racism that the immediately doubt any Dominican nationality or patriotism if they disagree with their Neanderthal thinking.
They prescribe that the Litmus Test to be a true Dominican is to hate Haitians. I do not hate anyone or certainly and group of people, and I abhor stereotyping.
I truly believe we are all God’s children and there but for the grace of God Go I!
Written by: antonio1, 13 Aug 2009 5:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Si Josean, que caiga el meteorito y se lleve al estado fallido y lo ponga junto con palestina a ver quien va pa donde quien. We are paying for living next to a fail state.
Written by: Miacol, 13 Aug 2009 5:48 PM
From: United States, Teaneck, NJ
As I have stated before Haiti is not the responsibility of the Dominican Republic, if the US wants to be responsible for that country then so be it, but don't apply US laws to DR. If you want to discuss the matter then you come to the table open minded of the situation from both sides, respect the sovereignty of the Dominican Republic and respect our laws, beliefs, perspective and economic situation. Josean, you speak so harshly of the DR/Haiti situation what about Israel, Pakistian, India, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. and all those waring nations? Why not take your points to those nations and deal with their problem first.
This evening I will be posting a website link on these pages, were we Dominicans and friends can sign and request that the article be removed and an apology be issued to the Dominican people. The article is at best one sided and does not full represent the situation. I hope all that belief in DR will sign the petition.
Written by: Miacol, 13 Aug 2009 6:01 PM
From: United States, Teaneck, NJ
Not for nothing isn't Xenophobia a dislike and/or fear of that which is unknown or different from oneself.
We know the Haitians have a similar background to us and we know them, so they are not an unknown variable. Why would the call us Xenophobic, I'm not sure how that would apply. Also racism, it seems a bit harsh, we do have strong opinions of the Haitians, but I would not say we are racists like racism is experience in the USA.
I can see they have never been to DR, because we deal with Haitians, I'm not going to lie and say we are completely fair, but we are not like the Middle East.
Written by: Miacol, 13 Aug 2009 6:07 PM
From: United States, Teaneck, NJ
Estrella as soon as I get home and I can put a petition together in English and Spanish I will post the link, just give me a few hours to get home and get it done. The petition will simply ask for the article to be retracted on the basis that it is 1 sided (does not take into consideration the views and postion of the Dominican Republic as a Sovereign Nation) and that an apology be issued for the offense against the Dominican Community.
Written by: antonio1, 13 Aug 2009 6:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
I support you guys initiative, this issue sound like the "Fail State Story" that the individual doing the reporting consider the Hispaniola as one country.
Written by: josean, 13 Aug 2009 6:31 PM
From: United States
Estrella,
A possible solution would be for Lie-onel Fernandez to ask to address the General Assembly of the United Nations and embarrass the world community for abandoning the Haitian people and place their plight solely on the backs of the Dominican society!
That would be acting like a real statesman rather than gallivanting around the world on do nothing photo op junkets at the expense of the Dominican taxpayer.
Written by: antonio1, 13 Aug 2009 6:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
I support you guys initiative, this issue sound like the "Fail State Story" that the individual doing the reporting consider the Hispaniola as one country.
Written by: josean, 13 Aug 2009 6:34 PM
From: United States
Miacol,
So, let me see, there is good Dominican racism and bad US racism.
Boy how absurd we can get trying to deny reality!
From: United States
estrella . it has been a long time that I have "chilled" as you have suggested,
I have realized that your voices and other voices are just faint noise in a distant forest that no serious politicians on both sides of the boder want to hear.
You have asked Hatians to leave and you know danm well you really do not mean it and you really can not afford it.You know what oil your economical bearings.
Haitians have called off your bluff and have decided to respond to your insults by insults.
Or if you are naive and do not understand the laws of economics, well you will be printing many comments for a long time and not be able to change no minds
It is elementary my dear
it is economics !
That is all i can do for you now , you are on your own
Written by: antonio1, 13 Aug 2009 7:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
the sacrifice worth the outcome/
Written by: ElProfe , 13 Aug 2009 7:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Jarabacoa
Estella
You hit the nail on the HEAD.
“No doubt if Haiti were better off economically the Haitians wouldn't come to DR in the masses that they do now.
An example is US, I know I know we can't compare. But our neighbor to the north is better off economically and we don't have a immigration issue with them. Yet the neighbor to the south isn't and thus in the search for upward social and economic mobility they come to the US.
People follow the money/opportunity.”
If THE Dominican Republic is LA MARAVILLA as many call it. Why are their so many DOMINICANS that are leaving to Puerto Rico and The United States via yola?
AND THEN THEY ARE THEIR ILEAGELEY.
If you throw shit into the fan! It blows right back in your face!
Your guys are so raciest. You are worse than the WHITE MAN. So go ahead and get on a yola so you can go see for your self what it feels like.
Written by: ElProfe , 13 Aug 2009 7:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Jarabacoa
All I can say for you all is that we need to learn to live with one another.
THIS IS ONE ISLAND. “La Hispañola”.
Not the Dominican Republic/Haiti as everybody refers to it, BUT LA HISPANOLA.
Yes we have two governments and many differences, but we are neighbors, and neighbors are supposed to help one another.
We are all immigrants of this Island. Get that straight.
Just because the Haitians are having a hard time right now dose not mean that the Dominican won’t face the same thing soon.
The tables Turn. Just look at History.
Haitians are humans just like you and I.
Written by: Miacol, 13 Aug 2009 8:30 PM
From: United States, Teaneck, NJ
Here comes another White man (El Profe) seeing what is going now and not what happened in the past. El Profe please learn something about the people you are living with before commenting.
How do you know that what the Haitians are suffering today is not their Karma, for when we Dominicans asked for the Haitians assistance to liberate ourselves from Spain that they turned around and conquered us, owe wait how about that they attempt to poison Juan Pablo Duarte when he was rallying support from Grand Columbia, or could it be because they declared a manifest destiny to kill all Dominicans and take over the whole Island, that the Trinitario rallied the people to fight back and reclaim our land. So many ways.....
To Quote a white friend of mine, that does not like whites like you, how very white of you....
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Josean wrote: "
A possible solution would be for Lie-onel Fernandez to ask to address the General Assembly of the United Nations and embarrass the world community for abandoning the Haitian people and place their plight solely on the backs of the Dominican society!
That would be acting like a real statesman rather than gallivanting around the world on do nothing photo op junkets at the expense of the Dominican taxpayer."
GC, please forgive me. I am shocked shocked shocked!
However, this is sensible.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
"Josean possible solutions are:
micro-loans
carbon credits
eco-tourism"
Oh boy! Now I am really getting concerned.
Written by: ElProfe , 13 Aug 2009 9:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Jarabacoa
My Dear Miacol,
The only white thing on my body, are the cheeks of my ass because they don’t get any sun as the rest of my body dose. I am a Cuban American that has lived in the white mans land for 41 years of my life kissing white ass just to make a living so they can come and take it all away someday.
Let the past be the past. Look at my country we have Fidel or should I say Little Raul.
How about when the Dominicans had True-He-Yoo. There was a little more R.E.S.P.E.C.T. around here.
What I am trying to get across to you all is that we are all humans and we all need to get along as brothers and sisters. Stop the hate. Little do you know you might have a little Haitian blood in your own family line.
Keep pissing in the fan. It’s going to come back at you. Remember what El Profe told you.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Estrella,
Micro-Loans sounds good in principle but, in general, Dominicans are not good about paying loans back. I know, my parents were business people and had a lot of customers who weren't good about repaying.
Eco-Tourism sounds good as well but, without proper controls [not possible in DR], would only serve to erode and destroy our natural national patrimony.
Carbon credits-please be serious and stop listening to Al Gore. These is the great scheme of the sophisticated mafia. Besides, what credits are you exactly willing to trade? You can't exactly trade something you do not own.
Written by: Miacol, 13 Aug 2009 10:38 PM
From: United States, Teaneck, NJ
From: Canada
@ antonioj,
Just for you my friend..
New report about deportations of Dominicans
By Candida Portugues, El Diario La Prensa, 1 May 2009. Translated from Spanish by Emily Leavitt.
More than 36,000 Dominicans have been deported since 1996, when then President Clinton signed into law the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act. Dominicans constitute 25 percent of the incarcerated population in New York State.
These figures come from the report, "Deported, Dominican and Human," conducted by the Northern Manhattan Coalition for Immigrant Rights (NMCIR), in collaboration with the Immigrant Rights Clinic at New York University Law School.
The majority of Dominicans who are deported have committed crimes, often minor ones, including crimes committed many years ago and mostly related to traffic violations or drug consumption.
These deportations profoundly affect Washington Heights, the neighborhood in northern Manhattan where the greatest numbers of Domini
From: Canada
@ antonioj,
Just for you my friend..
New report about deportations of Dominicans
By Candida Portugues, El Diario La Prensa, 1 May 2009. Translated from Spanish by Emily Leavitt.
More than 36,000 Dominicans have been deported since 1996, when then President Clinton signed into law the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act. Dominicans constitute 25 percent of the incarcerated population in New York State.
These figures come from the report, "Deported, Dominican and Human," conducted by the Northern Manhattan Coalition for Immigrant Rights (NMCIR), in collaboration with the Immigrant Rights Clinic at New York University Law School.
The majority of Dominicans who are deported have committed crimes, often minor ones, including crimes committed many years ago and mostly related to traffic violations or drug consumption.
These deportations profoundly affect Washington Heights, the neighborhood in northern Manhattan where the greatest numbers of Domini
From: Canada
@ antonioj,
My dear friend,you need more???
Written by: Botemon, 14 Aug 2009 1:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic, La Isabella
Woa!!!!!!!!!!!
Earthlings Unite!
Love one......... Love all.........
From: Canada
Le Canada donne 10 millions par année à la République Dominicaine et ce depuis plus de vingt ans.
moi je veut bien aider un pays en développement,mais quand ça fait plus de vingt ans que je te donne 10 millions par année,j'aimerais bien savoir quand je vais finir de t'aider.
Le Canada aide la R.D. et que font les Dominicains??
Ils s'en vont à New-York ou à Puerto Rico.
Prenez-vous les Canadiens pour des imbéciles??
From: United States
Oh Lord forgive these tormented souls for they don t know what the hell they are talking about.
From: United States
this new breed is crazier but soon they will disappear like the other ones when they catch this disease : HDSHM ( Haitians Dominicans siempre hablando mierda)
Written by: ambioriv, 14 Aug 2009 10:35 AM
From: United States
first he says we are mestizo, we are not mestizo, we are majority mulato. And the n he says everyone born in the country is a citizen of the dominican republic, no they are not.
people biorn to ambassadors, or people in trransit are not citizens either. Hatians are in transit because they are illegaly entering the country and by law are to be deported immediately as soon as found. The same thing needs to be done in AMerica and every other country. God blesss the dominican republic for following its constitution. This is why we one of the most succesful latin american countries and also the only succesful country with a majority mulato population.
From: Canada, Montreal
Gringomontreal, tu devrais venir discuter sur le forum, se serait plus simple... Antonioj est haïtien aussi si tu ne le savais pas !
Well, I see that everyone will put this on the bad haitians working for ONGs who want to destroy the Dominican Republic and are taking dominicans jobs that they dont want to do ! Shame on them !
Written by: josean, 14 Aug 2009 12:56 PM
From: United States
What this forum has done, if anything is validate the findings of the report.
If we assume that the majority of us Dominicans posting on DT are formally educated persons, many with advanced degrees and certifications, and the majority hold these racists and xenophobic views; imagine what the vast untutored masses of our fellow countrymen feel about the Haitians.
For anyone to deny that Haitians are treated like scum in DR is like denying the Sun is hot.
Written by: antonioj, 14 Aug 2009 1:48 PM
From: Canada, home safe
@GringoMontreal
I think you are losing your marble, you need to come down from your pedestral, painfully you have been relegated to cutting and pasting article from newspaper, about writing your own thought. Where is your online language translator patof ? fils de batard
Written by: antonioj, 14 Aug 2009 1:59 PM
From: Canada, home safe
@GringoMontreal
You are sick and confuse go the closest mental hospital seek the help that you need my friend
Written by: Lautaro, 14 Aug 2009 2:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
josean said: "For anyone to deny that Haitians are treated like scum in DR is like denying the Sun is hot."
So basically you're saying that there's good USA racism and bad DR racism? As the late Juan Bosch would say: "O jugamos todos con las mismas reglas, o se rompen las barajas". Until the US abides the rules that they keep dictating to others, they'll have no morals to dictate rules to other countries, specially when they're singling us out, glossing over the fact that the rest of the bloody Caribbean is giving hell to the haitians, and even more than we would ever do (heck, 40% of the population of the Bahamas is of haitian descent, and they're as xenophobic against them as they come). They're not without their own racism and xenophobic issues, you know? (Lo digo por si acaso has estado viviendo en un monte todo este tiempo). If the mistreatment against haitians is going to be treated around the hemisphere, then ALL the culprits should be mentioned, nothing more, nothing less.
Written by: Lautaro, 14 Aug 2009 3:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
The DR is not the only culprit of indulging in this misdemeanor on the Caribbean, and you bloody know it. No te me hagas el estúpido.
Written by: xwill7, 14 Aug 2009 3:19 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Wow, we hit 200+ posts. It just takes the H word to bring everyone out
From: United States
josean did you mean that Haitians are treated like scum in Haiti or in the Dominican Republic.
?
Well,What the hell they are doing in the Dominican Republic the first place.
They must have been treated like scum in their own country to risk coming and treated like scum in the DR
Someone who was treated like a human being in his own country would have never have come to another country and accepted to be treated like scum.No one can humiliate you and dehumanize you without your conscent.
THEN GO BACK TO YOUR DAMN COUNTRY
MAYBE !!!
ICI MALGRE TOUT ON EST MIEUX QU'EN FACE
A pesar de todo nos vivemos mejor que al otro lado
Here is better than the other side.
Then shut the f up !
or close your damn nose and drink that stinking water.
Anybody sent you an invitation letter ?
who ? when ? where ? why ?
From: United States
shut the f---up and swallow that bitter pill.
or just pack up a return home.
stop this camouflaged begging the Dominicans to let you stay in their country.
Use a direct approach, cry. yell,ask for mercy, ask for pity and see if you can soften the position of the vacanos , gitzmo, lautoro ,estrella, ambioriv ,telemeko , and all the others of the PEREJIL gang.
If keep challenging them with your stupid datas and historical diatribes you will only harden their position and force them to go on a rampage and start exterminating poor innocent Haitians.
From: United States
DOMINICAN HAITIAN TODAY ( as they should call this forum)
Dominicans know that they need Haitians, but they feel that they are too many undocumented and they want to lower the number.
Haitians are trying to blackmail Dominicans to force them to accept more haitians
This is why we have this back and forth going on here now, Haitians and Dominicans posters bluffing each other like in a game of pocker.
A bunch on bull---ters: josean , lautoro, estrela,incognito,vacanos, gitzmo,ambioriv,
el profe,telemeco and so so forth, all bull shi--ers.
From: United States
neither one of you wants to give up and call it quit saying Ok I am not going to post any more insults.Neither one of you wants to say Good bye.
You go to bed at night unable to sleep, You can not wait until the next day so you can begin to type insults like two lovers who can not stay together ,but can not live without each other .
"Lock and key "
The truth is and all politicians and all leaders know it : Dominicans need Haitians and Haitians know that they are two may of them in the Dominican Republic.
Show some intelligence and do like your leaders do :Negociate like Preval and Leonel are doing.
Do you see them like obssessed fanatics talking abut this issue everyday over and over, Tell me when was the last time you hear Leonel Fernandez and Rene Preval talking about Haitian Dominicans conflict. They try to solve it- damn it !
Stop this ruse ,stop this hypocrisy ?
Make this post the last one and shut the hell up !
ite missa es
Written by: antonioj, 14 Aug 2009 7:58 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Written by: Perez, 14 Aug 2009 9:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Sorry my bad, if my comment appeared 2 times it is due to an error i did. My darn pc acts slow, and i get frustrated by pressing the "Post Comment" button. Sorry!
Written by: ElProfe , 14 Aug 2009 9:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Jarabacoa
etiennc01
I think I have just figured you out. You were in Puerto Plata one sunny Dominican after noon enjoying your self on the beach drinking an ice cold Presidente and along comes this beautiful dark completed babe (A Haitian) that you fall madly in love with. You end up taking her back to your room at the resort and nail her like a 12 penny nail going into some fresh lumber. Then the next morning you wake up and realize “It’s your sister” WOW what a pity.
Take a good look at your self in the mirror, go have a DNA test done on your self and you will find out that you have a little Haitian in your DNA. Yes you have a little African in you.
Now take a deep breath, in and out, , in and out, in and out, I don’t want you to hurt your self. We love you Bro.
Take a chill pill and grow up, because one day you are going to feel real sorry for the smack you are writing today.
From: United States
estrella.
I am lucky, I happen to be the product on beautiful Domincan woman and a guapo Haitian father. I do understand the conlfit between Dominicans and Haitians.Conflict means that the Dominican Republic can not feed both Domincans and Haitians.
The Dominican government usually finds a human way to deal with the surplus of Haitians.
I have seen it with my own eyes They pick up illegal Haitians off the streets and ship them back to Haiti in consultation with the Haitian governement. Sometimes they ship them back while Preval is visiting the DR
Problem is solved.
This is Dominican Today.
These Haitians who always look for someone to blame but themselves for Haiti's misery have kidnapped this forum to vent their hypocrisy the vain nationalism and cowardice,
Where were they when Cedras was slaughtering thousands Haitians after the kidnapping of Aristide?
Read "elprofeshithead's"last diatribe and judge for yourself how irrational,immature,and erratic the man is
From: Canada, Montreal
Etienn sorry for this question, what mean guapo?
Cédras today is past, he's chilling in Panama.. But what we could do if these politicians,soldiers are always making trouble. How can we do this from Usa,Canada,France,Belgium ?
Written by: ElProfe , 15 Aug 2009 7:21 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Jarabacoa
From: United States
incognito , guapo(adjective) means handsome, good looking----feminine : guapa
There is nothing that Haitians from Canada US or France can do to curb the anachic tendencies of these vermines that "are creating trouble.
When Haiti becomes a public nuisance some adult intenational force wil occupy it (Haiti is already under occupation and Bill Clinton has been named president. Preval is just a president de doublure or a puppet president)
"Naje poun soti - mwen pat promet anyen as he routinely says
"Vin'n cheche'm nan pale ya poum kam al manifeste aven nou devan L'ONU pou yo bay Haiti manje"
From: Canada, Montreal
Preval his a real coward, traitor I wonder how he can stand up and say those things. He should stop drinking Rhum Barbancourt before he get dumb as a animal. He's the president of his prostate cancer like said Sweet micky.
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and yes, we are mestizo too so therefore we are tripartite! Did i spelled the word right?
It is a nice way to break the whole World too.
No Right to Rights, go ahead ...
"Something about this has a familiar ring to it. The Council on Hemispheric Affairs – an influential liberal Washington think-tank – has retracted another article from its website after the piece’s jaw-dropping conclusions unleashed what senior editor Larry Birns calls an “intense dispute on the part of outside critics.” Our readers will remember that, on September 14, 2007, COHA published an article by research associate Michael Glenwick, titled “Préval of Haiti—A Provisional Report Card: Grade B+.” In addition to some tortured punctuation in the article’s title, Glenwick made a number of statements that were surprising, to say the least, to anyone following the news from Haiti since a rightwing paramilitary uprising overthrew democratically-elected president Jean-Bertrand Aristide."
"And now COHA has backed down again from another report full of dishonest rhetoric and innuendo better suited to the State Department than a critical organization purportedly co
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/....dishonest-article-haitis-aristide
Liberal Agenda!
what a load of crap, don't they know is the Dominican Government on their own together with the military and industrial establishment that have for decades turn the lights off at the border so a cuatrillion undocumented haitian can cross to the dominican side unchecked.
They don't even know how many haitians are living in DR at the moment.
and i wonder what this people will say once the fire start and the real ugly face of my people comes out.?
Because the messenger himself is indulging in the same fault that he's pointing his finger at. Haven't you heard the phrase: "Mira al burro hablandole al conejo de orejas"? They have no morals to point fingers when they're themselves disdainful of them. If you don't believe this, ask any haitian about how they are treated by your liberal majesties, the almighty and saintly bostonians, and see what you get. Just like in the XVIIIth century "the only good indian is a dead indian", for the american liberal left the only good haitian is "a dead haitian". They just want to dump Haiti's problems on us, and you're foolishly cheerleading for them.
josean comentarios como el tuyo te pueden causar una expulsion del PRD, acuerdate de que lado de la isla tu vives?
por si te olvido es PARTIDO REVOLUCIONARIO DOMINICANO, o.k piti
This haitian MARRANITO here got his feeling hurt by vacanos. lol
This report was clearly written to further someone's agenda. Like Lautaro said, it doesn't even deserved to be called a pamphlet, but CNN will be running it like a real news story.
http://www.coha.org/2009/08/stateless-in-the-dominican-republic/
i am thinking since you are haitian is none of your business marrano!
if you ask me yes. so according to you every nation should regulate their citizenship on us standard. did you know in japan in order for you to get the citizenship both of your parent need to be born in that country.
In a democracy, each country has the inalienable right to define what citizenship is.
Strong, calm,pragmatic, reasonable , and intelligent leaders will come
To solve this nagging problem
i am reading all your posts closely to see if I can predit who will be one of these leaders.
“Dominican leadership, reflecting the attitude of the general population, continues to see Haitians as a lesser people and they have attempted, usually in contradiction of applicable law, to thwart Haitian efforts to achieve citizenship,” states the report ‘Stateless in the Dominican Republic’.
The Chinese commies are our bankers now, so lefties are good for the American way of life or at least the over consumption based on credit financed by the RED BOYS from BEJING!
The issue here is that you're unable, unwilling, or both, to see the double standards that the lefty gringos are applying here. The DR is the only country in the Caribbean that is being called into attention for denying citizenship rights to haitian inmigrants, even though ALL the other islands/countries/commonwealth of the vicinity ARE DOING THE SAME. We know of your legendary hatred against Leonel and the government, but please, leave our country and people out of your bloody vendetta, for God's sake!!
First josean if you see someone more vacano than you showing you fact don’t take it as the world beat the crap out of you with cheap shot diminishing that person with insult it will lower you as a person and people will not take you seriously.
second DOMINICAN REPUBLIC is a sovereign nation as is Japan, USA, SWEDEN, ECT so what is apply to one nation apply to the other without being hick jacked for the sole purpose of benefit of other.
third josean if we go to your logic of giving these Haitian with undocumented parent Dominican citizenship HOW LONG BEFORE THEY OVER-RUN US AND TAKE AWAY OUR IDENTITY? any Haitian by your logic will learn a few Spanish learn how to say perejil and jump to DR and will say they don’t have no paper in their country because they were born in DR.
I am still evaluating your posts to select new leades.
Calm, reasonable,pragmatic.strong,intelligent these are the qualities i am looking for.
we need 1000 posts.
josean wake up broder chinese govt right now is the biggest capitalist country on earth that is a fact. what is left of the commies way is their dealing of silencing their people
josean is the best example of why DR should never give citizenship to the cuatrillion haitians living in DR, once they get it, they will turn on you.
Just like josean does't appreciate the honor that is been a member of the glorious partido revolucionario DOMINICANO. in the first sign of trouble he'll switch sides like the little political prostitute he is.
I'm kind of glad this bullzhitt report came out, maybe it will awake the craken and the government will start cleaning up the house
Where is this statistic from?
From: United States
Remember we are in an island
"
Vacanus just learned something ???? we should never give up, for someone with an IQ lower than a dog, that is progress.
From: United States, Brooklyn, NY
ergo dominicans would still not like if illegals, specifically 3million illegals (25% of total pop) were on there soil
"
Please provide the sources of your figures, otherwise make the correction, no need to up the ante, everyone with half a brain know there are a large amount of Haitians migrant living in DR however to go as far as falsifying the numbers to bring your point across is down right DISGUSTING.
Rather than going through these mathematical contortions, just admit you got carried away with emotions and you exaggerated the numbers.
It’s OK, it happens all the time to the best of the xenophobes!
I am looking for these leaders who do not suffer from HDHSM ( Haitians Dominicans Siempre Hablando Mierda
From: United States, Brooklyn, NY
anton
again read earlier post of mine:
"
A simple correction that is all , no need to come up with fancy math or stat, probably will not caught it . Come on est, if you want me to keep reading your posting with legitimacy.
dominican-born frances villar has submited her candidacy to be mayor of new york city.
dominicians hire and bring the haitians across the border or at the least many of them in not all of them. the united states gives all dominicians and all others the same chance for a good life. or at least one life with elec 24/7 each day instead of living in the dark in some hut.
maybe the army and police should stop taking payoffs at the border.... BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM.... i dont have the answer for this problem.... only speak about and the TRUTH I DO SPEAK on what i do see ... also i do see MANY DOMINICIANS GETING ALONG WELL WITH THE HAITIANS........
danny from florida
{my mother is dominican}
! but some thing has to be worked out they do share the same island thith us dont they. looks like BILL CLITON IS GOING TO BAT FOR THEM MAYBE THIS WILL HELP THE COUNTRY TO SOME DEGREE
I don't have a problem with them speaking their language, the DR could use another language.Another culture?,not that different really, food is more or less the same, lovely music and here in the USA- they work their butts off! in Philly most are likely to be home owners than African Americans.Same goes for most Hispanic groups VS the Puerto Ricans in NY. What does bugs most in the DR?- being that Dark?.We are all of God.
I hope This is really just about economics, The DR is not a rich country, but manages.A Devestir un santo para vestir el otro is not the way either.
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
I suggest to the Council on Hemispheric Affairs (COHA) ask Obama to give Puerto Rico its independence and take Haiti as a territory, will that work for you. ?.
YES! IT WOULD FOR ME... It would be like a massive "trading places" Eddie Murphy movie social experiment.. and we will see the outcome in in like 5 years. As long as COHA micromanages both governments .
Abuses against women and children are common. Rape, although illegal, rarely results in prosecution of the perpetrator. Haitian law excuses a husband for murdering his wife if the wife is found in an adulterous affair.
kidnapping, torture, and unlawful incarceration are common unofficial practices, especially during periods of coups or attempted coups.
Many journalists, practice a measure of self-censorship in order to protect themselves from retribution.
http://www.answers.com/topic/human-rights-in-haiti
My point? people adapt to where they are if they want to stay somewhere.
Very few countries in world could afford to unnaturally increase their population by 5-10 % or higher, without dire socio-economic consequences.
It is not an issue of Hatian hatred, although in every society you will have people who are inclined to hate even their own. In fact, there are certain contributors to this forum who seem to be against everything. To them, good news is bad news and bad news is worse news. Period.
Dominicans just want their country back, and our neighbors to repatriate. They might just not be going about it the right way.
We should work cooperatively with Haitians and world community to address the issues of reforestation and economic development and growth. With these initiatives in place, Haitians will repatriate on their own, for they love their country, too-I am sure.
The Haitian government and the international community especially the US, France and Great Britain that do not want the Haitians to come knocking at their doors want to shove the Haitian problem as the responsibility of the DR.
Most Haitians are treated well in DR, 40% of occupancy in public hospitals is composed of pregnant Haitian mothers that are not denied care.
This week in Puerto Rico the Dominican consul Maximo Taveras denounced that the PR police were spraying pepper spray on Dominicans that were residing illegally in a compound, after they cut all power, water, and other services to force them to leave.
These Dominicans were not resisting eviction, still they were sprayed by police with pepper spray and brutalized.
Why didn't this organization complained about xenophobia to the Puerto Rican authorities?
Why they didn't complain when the Bahamian authorities rammed a boat full of Haitian refugees and most drowned in the high seas?
Why don't they complain about the US naval blockade around the north coast of Haiti, effectively sending all Haitian illegals back immediately?
Because they want the DR to be the ONLY escape valve for the Haitian exodus, since the Haitians are unwanted by them.
Pulling the race card on the DR and accusing us of being racist and xenophobic with their more than 150 full time ONG's that are paid, to spread these lies, is not going to solve the Haitian problem, but in time will effectively overflow the DR with all their unwanted citizens so there will be two failed states in the island, instead of just one.
My french FRENCHY come back.
Watch out your ass.
antonioj,
A simple correction that is all , no need to come up with fancy math or stat, probably will not caught it . Come on est, if you want me to keep reading your posting with legitimacy.
My friend,who asked you,to read this posting???
Well come back the FRENCHY COME BACK.
You're right my dear .I lived in R.D. 8 years and it's impossible what I saw.
I visited the campo in the batey at Puerto Plata.
Now,I know why the dominicans don't wand work in the batey.
Nobody want to work over there.
I can sew the Dominicans have slaves
Yes my dear the people must know about that.
Gilles Beaulieu.Montréal.Québec.Canada.
montrealgb@hotmail.com.
No piensa ....Una, e indivisible.
Wen you said indivisible you think ,just one country??
The Dominicans don't want..
The majority of the Dominicans in New York work on the black and the majority of the Dominican work as prostitutes.
Good cogitation.
Los R.D. en necesidades de Haitiens como el esclavo en la misma capacidad que U.S.A. tienen necesidades de los dominicanos como esclavos en Nueva York.
La mayoría de los dominicanos en Nueva York trabaja en el negro y la mayoría del trabajo dominicano como prostitutas.
Cavilación buena.
The Dominicans that were sprayed with pepper spray, harassed and had their water and power cut by police were not illegal immigrants, they were squatters on private or government land part of a community. Had they been illegal the they would have been quickly arrested and deported.
The point is how they were treated by the PR authorities, like animals with no human rights and called xenophobic names like "dirty blacks" and so on.
Any country in the world that violates the basic human rights should be condemned and chastised, and this includes the DR.
The DR does not treat the illegal Haitians in any similar way, shape or form like the Dominicans immigrants in Puerto Rico were treated.
more than 20,000 mafiosos.
Imagine you received 150 mafiosos every month since 11 years,in your beautiful country .
And you tack about Haitians,are you serious???
Are you really dummy??
You live in New-York like a cheap bum and you tack about the Haitians who work in your country,the Haitians,who make the work than the dominican can't make??
Wake up stupid.
I think the answer to this whole problem would be for ALL the Islands of the Carrabin (Cuba, La Hispaniola) to become a union of the United States. This would bring an end to allot of the problems that we are all having. Think about it....
No more Cubans, Haitians and Dominicans taking to sea on anything that floats.
A less corrupt government, Better education, Power 24/7/365, and best of ALL we would all be Americans.
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Unfortunately , It has turned into in cockfighting pit. I know now why cocks fight .They possess a congenial aggresion toward all males of the same species.
On a brighter note
Cinemam cafe's thursdays of blues and jazz are featuring local trios
Dominican musicians are showing their appreciation and passion for these art form:Jazz and Blues
Jazz and Blues invented by POOR Blacks in Mmerica .It evolved from Old the Negro Spiritual
Latin America rhytms was introduced to modern jazz and blues by Dizzy Gillepsie through the collabration with latin artists such as Machito ans Chano Pozo.
I hope that the local Dominicans artist s will add the flavor of the beautiful Bachata to Jazz .
After all, bachata is the experience of poor Dominicans campesinos
Put down your weapons down, show a less scary and less angry face.
Pls -No ignorant responses
I RESPECT you my friend, although on some issues and methods I may disagree with you.
If I will not know the limitation of this low life haitian retard prick I will think this boozo is one of the NGO in our country but no i know him well as a instigator BRUTO who only come here pretending to be part of the haitian elite just because he is light skin.
can I bet 100,000 pesos on the cock fight?
after the mothers visit the Haitian consulate in DR, waiting for the "one year rule" to expire so they will become stateless?
"
Sound more like a strategy, they are being used as bargaining chip, looking forward... until real negotiation take place.
If I will not know the limitation of this low life haitian retard prick I will think this boozo is one of the NGO in our country but no i know him well as a instigator BRUTO who only come here pretending to be part of the haitian elite just because he is light skin.
"
Your dog is writing your comments,I see some improvement. Next time watch out not to trip over your BIG clown's shoes, and please keep up entertained, you are the king off all the buffoons.
I have read that Preval has opposed this increase with tooth and nail, and that there has been massive protests for this negative. Does anyone knows if there has been some solution to this impasse? Has Preval relented on his position?
intelligent people solve problems , angry mobs attack each other o hablan mierda.
Just read what have been posted here.
oh sure you betcha lechoncito at your expense hahaha
From: Canada
R.D. at needs of Haitiens as slave in the same capacity as U.S.A. have needs of the Dominicans as slaves in New York.
The majority of the Dominicans in New York work on the black and the majority of the Dominican work as prostitutes.Good cogitation.
Los R.D. en necesidades de Haitiens como el esclavo en la misma capacidad que U.S.A. tienen necesidades de los dominicanos como esclavos en Nueva York.
La mayoría de los dominicanos en Nueva York trabaja en el negro y la mayoría del trabajo dominicano como prostitutas.
Cavilación buena.
"
GringoMontreal, aka Clown CirqueDuSoleil
Are you using your online tools translator AGAIN !! ? You are funny !!
Second, if you gringos want to debate the issue, we are more then willing to come to the table and speak in a fair level playing field. Not with the constant treat, so we should do the same to Dominicans in the USA. We are two separate sovereign nations, with different laws, and different beliefs.
Third, I am asking everyone on this forum, in an intelligent and polite manner, to write your views to COHA about our Dominican position and ask for a retraction of the article, which is not fair because it does not apply the Dominican perspective of the situation. Also please write to the White House and President Obama asking that they must understand the Dominican position and to not try an enforce US laws on the sovereignty of the Dominican Republic.
From: United States, Chicago
border wall must come up
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I say give 5 years to negotiate repatriation and Haiti to clean up his mess, if both are negative, the wall should be comtemplated as a viable option. Let's not rush to judgement and let's hope we can keep our emotion under control before getting ourselves involved in costly undertaking.
From: Dominican Republic
Fine ! we put te victims and Haiti the assasine's
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Is this french or english ??
You contradict yourself; first you say not to apply US laws to DR even though undocumented Dominicans have children in the US who are automatically granted citizenship at birth, which we deny to the offspring of undocumented Haitians.
Then you ask us to write to President Obama not “enforce” US law on the Dominican Republic.
It appears some Dominicans have no problem having US law “enforced” on them when it is beneficial!
To be consistent and not hypocritical you should also call for undocumented Dominicans not to accept citizenship for the offspring born in the US when they are not willing to be reciprocal in granting Dominican citizenship to the children of undocumented Haitians in DR.
What’s good for the gander should be good for the goose!
Even if the goose gets wrecked and bankrupted in the process? The fault in that reasoning is that you're ASSuming that the USA and the DR have similar levels of socioeconomic development and wealth (which they HAVE NOT), something that smacks of lunacy and wishful thinking. Although I would not be surprised at all if you suffered from the one and the other, seeing as how you're capable of putting political partisanship and enmities over the future well-being of the country that you call your own. "Let's act (or fervently pray and wish) for the DR to get screwed, after all, if it serves to ruin Leonel and the PLD, then it can't be that bad" seems to be your line of thinking. Granted, I'm as critical and annoyed of the DR political system as you are, but the way to fight it IS NOT wishing for the country as a whole to get more problems added to the ones that it already have. Social unrest serves no one in the end.
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
Isn’t the DR a member of the UN and isn’t the “glorious intellectual” called Lie-onel Fernandez salivating at the mouth to get a seat on the security council, so he can shine as the Latin American Henry Kissinger; well then he should be begin by practicing at home what he preaches abroad.
Lunacy is the correct diagnostic for this personaje, and you can call that a double wammy cause you also captioned his true identity and ethnicity by saying:
" you're capable of putting political partisanship and enmities over the future well-being of the country that you call your own."
That's how they think and act 90% of the time, and then people ask, why you want to build a border wall.
Y lo peor es que despues de toda la basura que habla tiene los timbales de decir que es dominicano.
¡Matamos a Trujillo pero no al Trujillismo!
He already did. Haven't you heard the story about the Tower of Babel? A language can be as steep and impassable a wall as the Alps and the Pyrenees.
si fueramos facistas tu no estarias disfrutando abiertamente de la democracia dominicana como lo haces ahora, eso mi hermano es ser hipocrita y vende patria, no pisotes el nombre de la patria que te dio albergue, oportunidades que en tu pais no existen, como justificas este reporte siendo tu mismo testigo de la bondad de mi pueblo, que hasta te dejan ser miembro de uno de sus mas gloriosos partidos politicos. Yo estoy seguro que toda esa basura que tu tienes en la mente no la hablas en el comite de base,si es cierto que de verdad eres PRDista.
Es por gente como tu doble cara que muchos en RD no quieren saber de tu gente.
If GOD would have wanted walls. He would have put them in place from the Beginning.
hey profe that's a great idea, if GOD's People are allow to build walls around Jerusalen maybe Dominicans should be allow to build at least a fence or something don't you think, I mean GOD didn't put those walls there around the west bank the jews did or only holy people allow to defend the integrity of their motherland.
It doesn't matter what we say here, nothing will be done,our government is to corrupt, but at the same time my people is fallen victims of malfeance and difamation by the same people we help and care for such a long time, i mean i know we dominicans can be pretty brutal and savage sometimes, but in general we're very tolerant and generous and when you see this trolls justifying this f*cking report even after enjoying our hospitality and good intention, is freaking frustrating.
a veces deceo como que caiga un meteorito o un terremoto y parta la jodia isla por la mitad para que de una vez por todas se resuelva la jodienda.
What do you plan to accomplish with insulting each other ?
Who got the most humiliating insults?
Accept things you can not change.!!!!!!!!!!!
Lord give me courage to curb my adiction to ( HDSPM ) Haitians Dominicans Siempre Posting Mierda
I understood what he was trying to say, but they are the ones who are always ready to ascribe political motives to my postings on this issue.
They are so blind in the xenophobia and racism that the immediately doubt any Dominican nationality or patriotism if they disagree with their Neanderthal thinking.
They prescribe that the Litmus Test to be a true Dominican is to hate Haitians. I do not hate anyone or certainly and group of people, and I abhor stereotyping.
I truly believe we are all God’s children and there but for the grace of God Go I!
This evening I will be posting a website link on these pages, were we Dominicans and friends can sign and request that the article be removed and an apology be issued to the Dominican people. The article is at best one sided and does not full represent the situation. I hope all that belief in DR will sign the petition.
We know the Haitians have a similar background to us and we know them, so they are not an unknown variable. Why would the call us Xenophobic, I'm not sure how that would apply. Also racism, it seems a bit harsh, we do have strong opinions of the Haitians, but I would not say we are racists like racism is experience in the USA.
I can see they have never been to DR, because we deal with Haitians, I'm not going to lie and say we are completely fair, but we are not like the Middle East.
A possible solution would be for Lie-onel Fernandez to ask to address the General Assembly of the United Nations and embarrass the world community for abandoning the Haitian people and place their plight solely on the backs of the Dominican society!
That would be acting like a real statesman rather than gallivanting around the world on do nothing photo op junkets at the expense of the Dominican taxpayer.
So, let me see, there is good Dominican racism and bad US racism.
Boy how absurd we can get trying to deny reality!
I have realized that your voices and other voices are just faint noise in a distant forest that no serious politicians on both sides of the boder want to hear.
You have asked Hatians to leave and you know danm well you really do not mean it and you really can not afford it.You know what oil your economical bearings.
Haitians have called off your bluff and have decided to respond to your insults by insults.
Or if you are naive and do not understand the laws of economics, well you will be printing many comments for a long time and not be able to change no minds
It is elementary my dear
it is economics !
That is all i can do for you now , you are on your own
You hit the nail on the HEAD.
“No doubt if Haiti were better off economically the Haitians wouldn't come to DR in the masses that they do now.
An example is US, I know I know we can't compare. But our neighbor to the north is better off economically and we don't have a immigration issue with them. Yet the neighbor to the south isn't and thus in the search for upward social and economic mobility they come to the US.
People follow the money/opportunity.”
If THE Dominican Republic is LA MARAVILLA as many call it. Why are their so many DOMINICANS that are leaving to Puerto Rico and The United States via yola?
AND THEN THEY ARE THEIR ILEAGELEY.
If you throw shit into the fan! It blows right back in your face!
Your guys are so raciest. You are worse than the WHITE MAN. So go ahead and get on a yola so you can go see for your self what it feels like.
THIS IS ONE ISLAND. “La Hispañola”.
Not the Dominican Republic/Haiti as everybody refers to it, BUT LA HISPANOLA.
Yes we have two governments and many differences, but we are neighbors, and neighbors are supposed to help one another.
We are all immigrants of this Island. Get that straight.
Just because the Haitians are having a hard time right now dose not mean that the Dominican won’t face the same thing soon.
The tables Turn. Just look at History.
Haitians are humans just like you and I.
How do you know that what the Haitians are suffering today is not their Karma, for when we Dominicans asked for the Haitians assistance to liberate ourselves from Spain that they turned around and conquered us, owe wait how about that they attempt to poison Juan Pablo Duarte when he was rallying support from Grand Columbia, or could it be because they declared a manifest destiny to kill all Dominicans and take over the whole Island, that the Trinitario rallied the people to fight back and reclaim our land. So many ways.....
To Quote a white friend of mine, that does not like whites like you, how very white of you....
A possible solution would be for Lie-onel Fernandez to ask to address the General Assembly of the United Nations and embarrass the world community for abandoning the Haitian people and place their plight solely on the backs of the Dominican society!
That would be acting like a real statesman rather than gallivanting around the world on do nothing photo op junkets at the expense of the Dominican taxpayer."
GC, please forgive me. I am shocked shocked shocked!
However, this is sensible.
micro-loans
carbon credits
eco-tourism"
Oh boy! Now I am really getting concerned.
The only white thing on my body, are the cheeks of my ass because they don’t get any sun as the rest of my body dose. I am a Cuban American that has lived in the white mans land for 41 years of my life kissing white ass just to make a living so they can come and take it all away someday.
Let the past be the past. Look at my country we have Fidel or should I say Little Raul.
How about when the Dominicans had True-He-Yoo. There was a little more R.E.S.P.E.C.T. around here.
What I am trying to get across to you all is that we are all humans and we all need to get along as brothers and sisters. Stop the hate. Little do you know you might have a little Haitian blood in your own family line.
Keep pissing in the fan. It’s going to come back at you. Remember what El Profe told you.
Micro-Loans sounds good in principle but, in general, Dominicans are not good about paying loans back. I know, my parents were business people and had a lot of customers who weren't good about repaying.
Eco-Tourism sounds good as well but, without proper controls [not possible in DR], would only serve to erode and destroy our natural national patrimony.
Carbon credits-please be serious and stop listening to Al Gore. These is the great scheme of the sophisticated mafia. Besides, what credits are you exactly willing to trade? You can't exactly trade something you do not own.
http://pixelescontracancer.com/?p=3437
Just for you my friend..
New report about deportations of Dominicans
By Candida Portugues, El Diario La Prensa, 1 May 2009. Translated from Spanish by Emily Leavitt.
More than 36,000 Dominicans have been deported since 1996, when then President Clinton signed into law the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act. Dominicans constitute 25 percent of the incarcerated population in New York State.
These figures come from the report, "Deported, Dominican and Human," conducted by the Northern Manhattan Coalition for Immigrant Rights (NMCIR), in collaboration with the Immigrant Rights Clinic at New York University Law School.
The majority of Dominicans who are deported have committed crimes, often minor ones, including crimes committed many years ago and mostly related to traffic violations or drug consumption.
These deportations profoundly affect Washington Heights, the neighborhood in northern Manhattan where the greatest numbers of Domini
Just for you my friend..
New report about deportations of Dominicans
By Candida Portugues, El Diario La Prensa, 1 May 2009. Translated from Spanish by Emily Leavitt.
More than 36,000 Dominicans have been deported since 1996, when then President Clinton signed into law the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act. Dominicans constitute 25 percent of the incarcerated population in New York State.
These figures come from the report, "Deported, Dominican and Human," conducted by the Northern Manhattan Coalition for Immigrant Rights (NMCIR), in collaboration with the Immigrant Rights Clinic at New York University Law School.
The majority of Dominicans who are deported have committed crimes, often minor ones, including crimes committed many years ago and mostly related to traffic violations or drug consumption.
These deportations profoundly affect Washington Heights, the neighborhood in northern Manhattan where the greatest numbers of Domini
My dear friend,you need more???
Earthlings Unite!
Love one......... Love all.........
moi je veut bien aider un pays en développement,mais quand ça fait plus de vingt ans que je te donne 10 millions par année,j'aimerais bien savoir quand je vais finir de t'aider.
Le Canada aide la R.D. et que font les Dominicains??
Ils s'en vont à New-York ou à Puerto Rico.
Prenez-vous les Canadiens pour des imbéciles??
Oh Lord forgive these tormented souls for they don t know what the hell they are talking about.
people biorn to ambassadors, or people in trransit are not citizens either. Hatians are in transit because they are illegaly entering the country and by law are to be deported immediately as soon as found. The same thing needs to be done in AMerica and every other country. God blesss the dominican republic for following its constitution. This is why we one of the most succesful latin american countries and also the only succesful country with a majority mulato population.
Well, I see that everyone will put this on the bad haitians working for ONGs who want to destroy the Dominican Republic and are taking dominicans jobs that they dont want to do ! Shame on them !
If we assume that the majority of us Dominicans posting on DT are formally educated persons, many with advanced degrees and certifications, and the majority hold these racists and xenophobic views; imagine what the vast untutored masses of our fellow countrymen feel about the Haitians.
For anyone to deny that Haitians are treated like scum in DR is like denying the Sun is hot.
I think you are losing your marble, you need to come down from your pedestral, painfully you have been relegated to cutting and pasting article from newspaper, about writing your own thought. Where is your online language translator patof ? fils de batard
You are sick and confuse go the closest mental hospital seek the help that you need my friend
So basically you're saying that there's good USA racism and bad DR racism? As the late Juan Bosch would say: "O jugamos todos con las mismas reglas, o se rompen las barajas". Until the US abides the rules that they keep dictating to others, they'll have no morals to dictate rules to other countries, specially when they're singling us out, glossing over the fact that the rest of the bloody Caribbean is giving hell to the haitians, and even more than we would ever do (heck, 40% of the population of the Bahamas is of haitian descent, and they're as xenophobic against them as they come). They're not without their own racism and xenophobic issues, you know? (Lo digo por si acaso has estado viviendo en un monte todo este tiempo). If the mistreatment against haitians is going to be treated around the hemisphere, then ALL the culprits should be mentioned, nothing more, nothing less.
josean did you mean that Haitians are treated like scum in Haiti or in the Dominican Republic.
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Well,What the hell they are doing in the Dominican Republic the first place.
They must have been treated like scum in their own country to risk coming and treated like scum in the DR
Someone who was treated like a human being in his own country would have never have come to another country and accepted to be treated like scum.No one can humiliate you and dehumanize you without your conscent.
THEN GO BACK TO YOUR DAMN COUNTRY
MAYBE !!!
ICI MALGRE TOUT ON EST MIEUX QU'EN FACE
A pesar de todo nos vivemos mejor que al otro lado
Here is better than the other side.
Then shut the f up !
or close your damn nose and drink that stinking water.
Anybody sent you an invitation letter ?
who ? when ? where ? why ?
or just pack up a return home.
stop this camouflaged begging the Dominicans to let you stay in their country.
Use a direct approach, cry. yell,ask for mercy, ask for pity and see if you can soften the position of the vacanos , gitzmo, lautoro ,estrella, ambioriv ,telemeko , and all the others of the PEREJIL gang.
If keep challenging them with your stupid datas and historical diatribes you will only harden their position and force them to go on a rampage and start exterminating poor innocent Haitians.
Dominicans know that they need Haitians, but they feel that they are too many undocumented and they want to lower the number.
Haitians are trying to blackmail Dominicans to force them to accept more haitians
This is why we have this back and forth going on here now, Haitians and Dominicans posters bluffing each other like in a game of pocker.
A bunch on bull---ters: josean , lautoro, estrela,incognito,vacanos, gitzmo,ambioriv,
el profe,telemeco and so so forth, all bull shi--ers.
You go to bed at night unable to sleep, You can not wait until the next day so you can begin to type insults like two lovers who can not stay together ,but can not live without each other .
"Lock and key "
The truth is and all politicians and all leaders know it : Dominicans need Haitians and Haitians know that they are two may of them in the Dominican Republic.
Show some intelligence and do like your leaders do :Negociate like Preval and Leonel are doing.
Do you see them like obssessed fanatics talking abut this issue everyday over and over, Tell me when was the last time you hear Leonel Fernandez and Rene Preval talking about Haitian Dominicans conflict. They try to solve it- damn it !
Stop this ruse ,stop this hypocrisy ?
Make this post the last one and shut the hell up !
ite missa es
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXL0lg_c7b8&NR=1
I think I have just figured you out. You were in Puerto Plata one sunny Dominican after noon enjoying your self on the beach drinking an ice cold Presidente and along comes this beautiful dark completed babe (A Haitian) that you fall madly in love with. You end up taking her back to your room at the resort and nail her like a 12 penny nail going into some fresh lumber. Then the next morning you wake up and realize “It’s your sister” WOW what a pity.
Take a good look at your self in the mirror, go have a DNA test done on your self and you will find out that you have a little Haitian in your DNA. Yes you have a little African in you.
Now take a deep breath, in and out, , in and out, in and out, I don’t want you to hurt your self. We love you Bro.
Take a chill pill and grow up, because one day you are going to feel real sorry for the smack you are writing today.
I am lucky, I happen to be the product on beautiful Domincan woman and a guapo Haitian father. I do understand the conlfit between Dominicans and Haitians.Conflict means that the Dominican Republic can not feed both Domincans and Haitians.
The Dominican government usually finds a human way to deal with the surplus of Haitians.
I have seen it with my own eyes They pick up illegal Haitians off the streets and ship them back to Haiti in consultation with the Haitian governement. Sometimes they ship them back while Preval is visiting the DR
Problem is solved.
This is Dominican Today.
These Haitians who always look for someone to blame but themselves for Haiti's misery have kidnapped this forum to vent their hypocrisy the vain nationalism and cowardice,
Where were they when Cedras was slaughtering thousands Haitians after the kidnapping of Aristide?
Read "elprofeshithead's"last diatribe and judge for yourself how irrational,immature,and erratic the man is
Cédras today is past, he's chilling in Panama.. But what we could do if these politicians,soldiers are always making trouble. How can we do this from Usa,Canada,France,Belgium ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ3NKxsQaY8
There is nothing that Haitians from Canada US or France can do to curb the anachic tendencies of these vermines that "are creating trouble.
When Haiti becomes a public nuisance some adult intenational force wil occupy it (Haiti is already under occupation and Bill Clinton has been named president. Preval is just a president de doublure or a puppet president)
"Naje poun soti - mwen pat promet anyen as he routinely says
"Vin'n cheche'm nan pale ya poum kam al manifeste aven nou devan L'ONU pou yo bay Haiti manje"