SANTO DOMINGO.- The recent upswing in drug trafficking and the widespread involvement by police and the military has apparently cost Gilberto Delgado his post as head of the Drugs Control Agency (DNCD), where president Leonel Fernandez replaced him with Police general Rolando Rosado.
Delgado was designated vice minister of the Armed Forces, in decree No. 610-09, disclosed by the Presidency’s Press Office, together with Rosado's appointment.
Delgado had been the head of the DNCD for around one year, when the average period for the heads of the post is around two years.
Written by: Juango, 18 Aug 2009 2:18 PM
From: United States, far S. Florida (formerly Santo Domingo)
It would be interesting to open the books on all of Delgado's financial/bank accounts and assets (including to those of his families). I do not think we would be surprised in the least. He is just one of many. His new position will not be as lucrative.
Written by: generoso, 18 Aug 2009 2:59 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Juango
Where do you get your info? Do you know the general personally or his dealings, or have any documents regarding your statements you will like to share?
If you do not, then stop spreading libel just for the sake of it, it is revolting to accuse a public official of something as serious as financial mishap, without some documented proof.
In some countries you could be sued and jailed.
Written by: juanb, 18 Aug 2009 3:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic
How to find a new job in the DR? Fail miserably at your old job.
Doesn't anyone ever get released for bad performance and cut off from the public payroll?
Written by: xwill7, 18 Aug 2009 3:06 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
you stay a member 4life
Written by: Juango, 18 Aug 2009 3:28 PM
From: United States, far S. Florida (formerly Santo Domingo)
generoso, His boss, LF, himself should be investigated as well. Stop being foolish, as you are proving your bilndness to the usual "SOP" for Banana Republic Politicos. If he is clean, he should have no qualms of showing his/family assets, being a public figure. Stop the crap about Supression of Speech. Folks with a fear to speak out, is a reason countries become "Failed States". I stand by my first post, read it as you wish. The Editor can remove it, if he feels it is not appropriate. Hide and be fearful, if you wish. That is not me.! I will never discuss my sources in public, nor will I share them.. Read carefully what I have written, and please don't be revolted.
From: United States
Roso
Correct me if I am wrong
libel results in a civil litigation and the guity defendant can not be incarcerated (Jailed) or executed.
In general ,a loosing defendant in a civil litigation only reiburses the plaintiff for the harm caused to him(her) by the malicous intent by the former's bahavior
Written by: juanb, 18 Aug 2009 3:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Pretty soon we won't have to worry about libel. There won't be any outlets left to insult anyone in the government. If LF follows in the footsteps of his buddy Chavez, he too will shut down all opposing media. (Chavez just shut down 32 TV and radio channels.) And as LF's BFF assumes more and more power thanks to our sale of the refinery he will be exerting exactly that kind of pressure.
Written by: antonio1, 18 Aug 2009 3:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Reading the news, it seen like General Delgado was promoted to the post of vice minister of the Armed Forces. Did you folks read the news????
Written by: BASTA, 18 Aug 2009 3:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
LF, himself should be investigated as well 10x yes yes = but as 85 % of Dominicans are crooks so whats really the big deal.
Written by: antonio1, 18 Aug 2009 4:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Put a shoe in your mouth and shut up. You have as much sense as a donkey!
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
Why do so many of you people have nothing to contribute except negative comments that have no legitimate foundation and are just repetitious rubbish ..If anyone has any proper evidence that Delgado has profited from the drug trade whilst in office or the President has somehow profited from the drug trade , then do the right thing and present the evidence to the anti corruption authorities or a journalist but the mud that is thrown is so stupid that all it does it make the writers look like uneducated , irrational juveniles.
And there is not the slightest evidence that the press here is being muzzled so please stop writing those completely untrue rumours
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
Further more ,it could be regarded that Delgado has done a good job in very difficult circumstances but a new approach is often important when dealing with criminals ...the inference in the story that he was moved because he was losing the fight against drugs is only the editors opinion and maybe completely wrong
Written by: Juango, 18 Aug 2009 5:52 PM
From: United States, far S. Florida (formerly Santo Domingo)
Ricardo, you must be joking when you say anti-corruption authorities should be notified ! I do however agree with you that respected journalist should be given all pertinent information. A well known investigative journalist has the information (I referenced above) and will release it when that person see fit or their employer permits it's publication. However, caution must always be observed when "outing" any character or personality in the DR. Narco "stories" always are dangerous to produce, as money flows too freely in that sector. One last thing. Everyone should have the right to express themselves or their feelings on any article. If you don't agree with their view, so be it. Just ignor them or state your counterview. Simple as that.
Written by: antonio1, 18 Aug 2009 6:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Hey, wizards of smart with your multiple username, did you read the story or are you only posting nonsense? the news said that General Delgado was promoted to the post of vice minister of the Armed Forces. Is DT reporting not right??? did you read the news????
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
I'd assume that the post of vice-minister of the armed forces is a higher position than that of head of the DNCD. However, nowhere in article did I find the term "promotion".
I know most of us are pretty hard on dominican authorities and everything government. However, until proven otherwise, Mr. Delgado is a serving soldier and, as such, perhaps deserving of some respect. Really, not all military officers are corrupt.
If he is guilty of anything, then produce some corroborating evidence. Otherwise, please don't discredit this officer.
Written by: generoso, 18 Aug 2009 9:05 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
I met General Delgado and he is as modest and low key as a buck private. Sometimes he stayed up until late at night working in his office, I know because my good friend works in the offices there and related to me the story. He didn't even had a driver assigned to him and he went around unescorted, so when I read the sorry comments of someone just running his mouth, against a hard working, modest and dedicated officer, my blood boils to a crisp. More so because some idiots, like old gossipy women, prefer to bad mouth somebody, because they are sadists, than praise them, because of their inferiority complex, and the urge to put down everybody all the time.
Written by: Gringo_1, 19 Aug 2009 7:30 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
I think he was doing a good job given the difficulty of the position. The last 9 months or so, there has been a real uptick in the arrests and confiscations. I think LF is blaming the innocent on this one if his new position is a demotion. Given size and issues, you need more than a year to be effective at changing things.
Also, you can't libel a public/political figure, at least in the US. Cheers!
Written by: generoso, 19 Aug 2009 8:28 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
FYI:
That ruling, reported on OUT-LAW.COM, said that comments on bulletin boards and online discussion groups are more like slander than libel because they are more informal.
"I think that does get talked about a lot but I think the Justice Eady case might change that slightly," said Sparkes. "I'm not sure if there's enough case law yet to have a hard and fast rule on that in terms of what is said online."
Mr Justice Eady had written in that ruling: "[Bulletin board posts] are rather like contributions to a casual conversation (the analogy sometimes being drawn with people chatting in a bar) which people simply note before moving on; they are often uninhibited, casual and ill thought out. Those who participate know this and expect a certain amount of repartee or 'give and take'."
Continued below,
Written by: generoso, 19 Aug 2009 8:29 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
"When considered in the context of defamation law, therefore,communications of this kind are much more akin to slanders (this cause of action being nowadays relatively rare) than to the usual, more permanent kind of communications found in libel actions," said the ruling.
Dagen and Sparkes were speaking to technology law podcast OUT-LAW Radio.
John Mackenzie, a litigation partner with Pinsent Masons, the law firm behind OUT-LAW.COM, disagrees with Dagen and Sparkes.
"It is likely that the courts will focus on whether or not a publisher reviewed content, rather than the form of the publication," he said. "It isn't likely to make any difference whether or not it is an invitation to comment or a bulletin board. They amount to much the same thing. If the comments are not moderated, the publisher is probably safe, at least until notified of any allegedly defamatory posting."
Written by: generoso, 19 Aug 2009 9:01 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Gringo_1
When you accuse someone of perpetrating economic violence against others, you are walking a fine line, and in the DR there have been many cases of judgements awarded to public figures that have sued commentators and even public officials (Vincho Castillo was forced to pay up, and so were several more public persons for running their mouth and committing slander, just recently like the ex-secretary of Industry of Commerce and present ambassador to Colombia from DR, Angel Lockward).
Corruption on a government level is the worse crime because it affects the greatest amount of people at once. Transparency international has estimated the cost of corruption in our country to be 40% of the annual budget, so imagine if we had 40% more for health, education, public works, security and so forth, what a much better place DR would be.
So we have to be careful who we accuse of being corrupt, and at the same time prosecute those suspected of corruption, in the most proactive way.
Written by: antonio1, 19 Aug 2009 3:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
"So we have to be careful who we accuse of being corrupt, and at the same time prosecute those suspected of corruption, in the most proactive way."
Well said Generoso;
Written by: EDITOR, 19 Aug 2009 5:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Thank you for all the strong posts. We agree that Delgado did a good job, but the usual tenure for that post was cut quite short and maybe just coincidence, the volume of drugs and cases involving military and police rose sharply.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Generoso,
You are a powerful and focused contributor who commands our respect and, apparently, those of DT as well.
I hope I speak for most here, but your contribution is greatly appreciated.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
All,
My mother has an uncanny ability for assessing the character of an individual strictly based on first impressions. No matter how many times I wished to prove her wrong when it came to my girlfriends and friends, in the end she always prevailed-she was right! Sometimes I delude myself into thinking that I inherited that attribute.
When I consider vice-minister Delgado's picture, I can't help but think of a proud soldier who serves his country well, respects his position of authority and enhances the meaning an authority of the uniform.
Maybe I am wrong, but I really don't think so.
Written by: generoso, 19 Aug 2009 11:50 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
glomarexplorer
Thank you for your comments, but it is a team effort, and we all try to put our little grain of sand to improve things in our lovely DR.
Where do you get your info? Do you know the general personally or his dealings, or have any documents regarding your statements you will like to share?
If you do not, then stop spreading libel just for the sake of it, it is revolting to accuse a public official of something as serious as financial mishap, without some documented proof.
In some countries you could be sued and jailed.
Doesn't anyone ever get released for bad performance and cut off from the public payroll?
Correct me if I am wrong
libel results in a civil litigation and the guity defendant can not be incarcerated (Jailed) or executed.
In general ,a loosing defendant in a civil litigation only reiburses the plaintiff for the harm caused to him(her) by the malicous intent by the former's bahavior
And there is not the slightest evidence that the press here is being muzzled so please stop writing those completely untrue rumours
I know most of us are pretty hard on dominican authorities and everything government. However, until proven otherwise, Mr. Delgado is a serving soldier and, as such, perhaps deserving of some respect. Really, not all military officers are corrupt.
If he is guilty of anything, then produce some corroborating evidence. Otherwise, please don't discredit this officer.
Also, you can't libel a public/political figure, at least in the US. Cheers!
That ruling, reported on OUT-LAW.COM, said that comments on bulletin boards and online discussion groups are more like slander than libel because they are more informal.
"I think that does get talked about a lot but I think the Justice Eady case might change that slightly," said Sparkes. "I'm not sure if there's enough case law yet to have a hard and fast rule on that in terms of what is said online."
Mr Justice Eady had written in that ruling: "[Bulletin board posts] are rather like contributions to a casual conversation (the analogy sometimes being drawn with people chatting in a bar) which people simply note before moving on; they are often uninhibited, casual and ill thought out. Those who participate know this and expect a certain amount of repartee or 'give and take'."
Continued below,
"When considered in the context of defamation law, therefore,communications of this kind are much more akin to slanders (this cause of action being nowadays relatively rare) than to the usual, more permanent kind of communications found in libel actions," said the ruling.
Dagen and Sparkes were speaking to technology law podcast OUT-LAW Radio.
John Mackenzie, a litigation partner with Pinsent Masons, the law firm behind OUT-LAW.COM, disagrees with Dagen and Sparkes.
"It is likely that the courts will focus on whether or not a publisher reviewed content, rather than the form of the publication," he said. "It isn't likely to make any difference whether or not it is an invitation to comment or a bulletin board. They amount to much the same thing. If the comments are not moderated, the publisher is probably safe, at least until notified of any allegedly defamatory posting."
When you accuse someone of perpetrating economic violence against others, you are walking a fine line, and in the DR there have been many cases of judgements awarded to public figures that have sued commentators and even public officials (Vincho Castillo was forced to pay up, and so were several more public persons for running their mouth and committing slander, just recently like the ex-secretary of Industry of Commerce and present ambassador to Colombia from DR, Angel Lockward).
Corruption on a government level is the worse crime because it affects the greatest amount of people at once. Transparency international has estimated the cost of corruption in our country to be 40% of the annual budget, so imagine if we had 40% more for health, education, public works, security and so forth, what a much better place DR would be.
So we have to be careful who we accuse of being corrupt, and at the same time prosecute those suspected of corruption, in the most proactive way.
Well said Generoso;
You are a powerful and focused contributor who commands our respect and, apparently, those of DT as well.
I hope I speak for most here, but your contribution is greatly appreciated.
My mother has an uncanny ability for assessing the character of an individual strictly based on first impressions. No matter how many times I wished to prove her wrong when it came to my girlfriends and friends, in the end she always prevailed-she was right! Sometimes I delude myself into thinking that I inherited that attribute.
When I consider vice-minister Delgado's picture, I can't help but think of a proud soldier who serves his country well, respects his position of authority and enhances the meaning an authority of the uniform.
Maybe I am wrong, but I really don't think so.
Thank you for your comments, but it is a team effort, and we all try to put our little grain of sand to improve things in our lovely DR.