Santo Domingo.- The Chamber of Deputies passed approved a resolution Tuesday, which asks president Leonel Fernandez to transfer the remains of general Pedro Santana from the National Pantheon to a church in his birthplace El Seibo.
The resolution, submitted by ruling PLD party deputy Juana Mercedes Vicente, calls the fact that the patriot Maria Trinidad Sanchez’s remains in the National Pantheon rest in front of those of general Santana, her executor, “an historical incongruity.”
However Altagracia Province s(east) opposition PRSC party deputy Sergio Cedeño opposed the measure, arguing that other annexionists like Santana are in the National Pantheon.
Deputies president Julio Cesar Valentin said Santana was a “traitor” who didn’t believe in the nation’s freedom, “without recognizing his endowments as military man.”
He called the former President a “constant aggressor” of the Congress, which led him to occupy it in one occasion, because it dared to debate a loan Santana himself had submitted. “The villains cannot be alongside the heroes and it’s an insult that this military cattle rancher is in a privileged historical place such as the heroine Maria Trinidad Sanchez.”
Written by: josean, 19 Aug 2009 4:15 PM
From: United States
Like they debated the Sunland Loan, Lie-onel Fernandez made?
Written by: xwill7, 19 Aug 2009 4:28 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
There are more important fish to fry
Written by: Sajomero, 19 Aug 2009 4:41 PM
From: United States, Del primer Santiago de America....y el mejor!!!
Yes there are more important fish to fry, but this would set a precedent to all traitors in the maiking. To all these PLD/PRD politicians that think that they are untouchable, watch out because some day, some one will show you for the fraud that you ARE. Santana did a lot of harm by persecuting and killing most of the young talent that could have modeled our country into something great. They should bury him in Hinche, just to be cruel.
From: Dominican Republic, America
Of course slimy POLITICIANS have it in for a man who was a true warrior, without whom we would remain part of Haiti.
Written by: Trujillo, 19 Aug 2009 5:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic
There are other "heroes" that should really be called traitors. Hatero, sadly people only see the controversial part of an individual, but tend to forget the great things they do.
Written by: oupala07 
, 19 Aug 2009 6:02 PM
From: Canada
"Of course slimy POLITICIANS have it in for a man who was a true warrior, without whom we would remain part of Haiti."
Do not forget that without the Haitian Ulysse Heureaux, the economic and logistic support he received from Haiti, you would have still been a subject of the king of Spain. Ingratitude is something normal for haters.
It is a pity that most of my innocents countrymen do not understand that we're alone in the whole world facing many enemies among which the Dominican Republic. And that is the reason why I don't think we Haitians will ever have the opportunity to celebrate a century milestone of our independence : too many traitors among us, and too many nations hostiles, resentful and/or envious of our achievement.
From: Dominican Republic
He was just the Dominican version of Luis Munoz Marin.
Written by: ABR23, 19 Aug 2009 8:00 PM
From: Puerto Rico
EXECUTOR, So Santana was left to deal with her (M.T. SANCHEZ) finances. Could have been worse and he could have been her EXECUTIONER.
Written by: ABR23, 19 Aug 2009 8:04 PM
From: Puerto Rico
I would say it behoves the PLD to stop the argument and Spin, they put on this. They are trying to Wag the Dog, to get anything on the news other than corruption. They have the 21st century version of treason filling many Cabinet post.
From: Haiti
Where is aleumeuse?
Aleumeuse, your silence is giving you up.
Like Santana, you aleumeuse have been calling to be a Spaniard and your people to pass as such. Well, does that make you a traitor, aleumeuse?
Well, aleumeuse as a Haitian I can tell traitors from true patriots from the DR.
Well, aleumeuse your claim was to defend against Haitian agressions, now your people have reallized that traitors among you would rather see the whole island turn back to slavery. Then, ask no more why we Haitians had to defend our freedom from you kissing, sleeping with your master Spain. May be its time to really revise your twisted history books, or your slave mentallity toward your master, aleumeuse.
Written by: BASTA, 19 Aug 2009 9:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
looking to the future [ maybe tomorrow ] transfer the remains of any PLD member to Haiti.
From: Dominican Republic
Shut up and continue polishing french pipes!
Santana is THE TRUE LIBERATOR OF DR! IF his body is relocated, the panteon will be the target of sabotage (and you know what I mean!). There are people like Pablo Ali who welcome Boyer in 1822 and whose remains reside in the Alfaro de Colon. People like Nunez de Caceres who destituted Pascual (spanish governor) and asked La Gran Colombia for protection and Bolivar betrayed us.
The people of San Cristobal also betrayed DR when in 1849 they refused to take arms and fight the invading Haitian force led by Soulouque!
Francisco del Rosario Sanchez was a traitor for working with Haiti in 1860!
Now the prohaitian are pushing for the haitianization of DR and at the same time, burying the antiHaitian like Santana and Trujillo!
I guess Julio Cesar Valentin doesn't care about his family. His position is putting his family in a grave situation.
From: Dominican Republic
Septic hole, it is our business AND NOT YOUR BUSINESS with whom DR sleep with! It is our freaking right if we want to be with our motherland! You freaking haitian take a corn cobb and pulse it up your exhaust hole! You are not to dictate to us with whom with make association!
Your hunger for owning and controlling DR still continues! I can't wait to return the favor to Haiti!
From: Dominican Republic
Oupala you are completely wrong! Because of Hereaux, DR ended with such a huge debt that the American had to interfere and protect us from the European lenders! 1916? The American took our custom so the Europeans get paid! Because of Hereaux, we lost San Rafael, San Miguel de la Atalya, Hincha and Las Caobas to Haiti in 1897!
SPain never threaten DR after 1865 for you to say that Ulyssex saved us!
All the Haitian in this thread are being allowed to distor history to defame DR! The administrator of DT should excercise more filtration of lies meant to undermine history!
Written by: telemeco, 19 Aug 2009 10:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
The real traitor of DR was Lili,,,that for 400.000 gave our claim to the Haitian plateu,,where lot of Dominican land were,,,and even today in haiti have spanish names....Santana was a real true hero,,,he has no other choices to give the country back to spain for protection again haiti.
if spain have taken over we would no have US influence that later on invade haiti and DR and allow US invester to contract cheap labor from haiti to the sugarcane field, this is where this F problem come from, The US invasion in haiti and DR,,,american need sugar and haiti have cheap labor, they crossed the border and never return back to haiti...and the corrupt politician of the time sold us out as well for money.
From: United States
Fish & fries !!!!
From: Dominican Republic
I second Telemeco message except that the plateau in Haiti should be called Dominican Plateau! Tele you are right when you say that the U.S. contributed to the "mixing" of the two nations by illegaly bringing people disregarding Dominican sovereingty!
The AMerican driven by capitalism and Haitian resistance in Port of Pigs!
Written by: oupala07 , 20 Aug 2009 12:11 AM
From: Canada
allumeusegeneroso,
You better go watch some TV or listen to some good music, because when people smoke and are stonned, that's what they do. You are saying thing that even a fourth grader will find him/herself too intelligent, smart and rational to say in front of decent people. I think you need to really take a look on the kind of conversation that is being engaged here before you come to spoil good people by your hatred and insults.
In fact, if I was you, I'd rather focus on how to help my country cope with the upcoming great depression instead of shouting empty word at an empty audience.
Written by: oupala07 , 20 Aug 2009 12:16 AM
From: Canada
And believe me, the reason why you are so cocky and nasty is because we Haitians did not do to you the Dominicans what the United States have done to the Mexicans. In fact if, when we were powerful, we had carved the island and taken two third of the land mass instead of one third, you wouldn't be that arrogant today.
You are right to shit and piss on us today, because if we had intelligent people instead of illiterate peasants at our country's helm, you would have been very humble today.
Written by: oupala07 , 20 Aug 2009 9:21 AM
From: Canada
Telemeco,
This is the 21st century and this is the Internet. If you don't understand what does that mean, have someone a little bit more intelligent than you explain you that.
Get out the mountainers mentality and embrace civilisation. The internet is the most democratic entitty in the world now, it provides a voice to every citizen of this planet, and this is the reason why some totalitarian enclined countries like China, Russia, and numerous Arab states have put a severe control over its users. Even in the United States now they do have a project to control it.
Are you telling me that the same tool that gives you a voice to insult Haitians must be restricted to Dominicans only? How come then we Haitians never make a big fuss about it when your people go to the LeNouvelliste blog and insult us. Are you telling me that the Haitian/Dominicans population in your country has no right to use this blog to defend their haitian heritage?
Go wipe your butt my friend, it is dirty.
From: Dominican Republic, America
Santana was a brilliant warrior who repeatedly beat up on Soulouque and his armies. By the time of the Annexation the Dominicans were hard pressed economically, and had deep political differences. There had even been a revolution in the Cibao against the SD government, after attempts by Baez and his partisans to capture their tobacco wealth via currency manipulations. Santana was begged to return at this point! Santana's move to Spain had as much or more to do with our dire economic situation and political mess between conservatives and liberals than it had to do with threat of Haitian invasion. The man died of grief when Dominicans rose up against Spain...clearly on his deathbed he understood his error, but check the books because he was not alone in thinking it was the only way out of the political/economic swamp we were in.
From: Dominican Republic, America
The relevant title is La Guerra de Restauracíon by Juan Bosch. Read the opening chapters of this to understand what really happened and you will see how little the threat of Haiti played into the Annexation. Also notice the timing of the annexation coincides with the US being distracted by its own Civil War.
http://juanbosch.org/libro.php?id=1585&t2=cpWritten by: Lautaro, 20 Aug 2009 10:34 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Heck, even the great Maximo Gomez would be on the annexionist side, Hatero. Although he would see the error of his ways by witnessing first-hand the degradation of slavery when he, along with the remaining spanish and dominican loyalists troops, evacuated to Cuba after their defeat on the Restoration War. Needless to say, he would redeem himself in full by single-handledly liberating the cuban people during that country's war of independence. Some historians say that the only reason explaining why the US didn't outright annex Cuba after the war was that they dreaded having to face the destructive power of Gomez' guerrilla fighters if they proceeded with that course, specially if we take into account the devastating effect that such a conflict would have on Cuba's booming sugar plantation economy.
From: Dominican Republic, America
Good points Laut, yes Maximo was a Spanish officer in the Restoration war despite being a Dominican. And to show how loyalties and culture in that situation were NOT merely about race, in Bosch's book you can read about the Dominican Juan Suero who the Spaniards nicknamed ' El Cid Negro' for his courage and valor. He died on their side, I believe defending Puerto Plata where the Spanish landed their army reinforcements from Cuba. In fact men who went on to become top generals on the Dominican side had begun the war fighting for the Spaniards!
BTW Lautaro what is your opinion on moving the remains of Gen.Santana?
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Aug 2009 10:52 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
My opinion is the same as yours, Hatero: Despite Santana's Benedict Arnoldism, the fact at the end of the day is that he, unlike the case of ole Benedict, was the country's top general in the twelve year separation war against Haiti. Without his military prowess or the support of the hardy men from Hato Mayor and El Seybo, we would be speaking kreyol ayisien right now, and perhaps (one is never too sure about these matters) suffering the same socioeconomic maladies afflicting our unfortunate neighbour. Period. Some of our historians crucifyin Santana need to understand that a country can't give itself the luxury of being hampered by the conventions and checks of democracy when it's fighting a WAR, that an unified command is the most precious thing to have under the circumstances, and dissension is to be seen as the worst of plagues, to be avoided at ANY and all cost. Many of countries on the human landscape have been vanquished because of their lack of a single command during (cont...)
Written by: telemeco, 20 Aug 2009 11:26 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
Cupala07
There is a website where i can go to insult haitian and defend my heritage, i didnt know, cause we Dominican are not into other people busines,, thank you for the info,,,i should make a haitian account and be a shuttle among you
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Aug 2009 11:26 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
(cont...) its life or death struggles. Heck, the haitian's own struggle against the french is a good example as any about the importance of the principle of a single command. Dessalines understood the importance of holding the reins over the ambitions of his subordinates, and the danger of having loose cannons acting on separate agendas of their own. War is the ultimate act of violence, and if a ruler or set of rulers (in this case, our congressmen) are unable to digest this, then they are unfit to rule the country (which would not be surprising in the least, the proofs for this charge being endless).
Written by: oupala07 , 20 Aug 2009 12:14 PM
From: Canada
It would be a pleasure to welcome you on the "LeNouvelliste" Blog my friend Telemeco. Feel free to insult us, but be prepared to be also heavily mobbed, because hear on the DT web site, only our good friend allumeusegeneroso have an enough dirty mouth to square off with some of my brethren, and even I myself tend to avoid antagonizing them.
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Aug 2009 12:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I'm surprised to read that, oupala, cuz' some of my haitian friends have told me that Le Nouvelliste caters to the elites, and as such, one would expect them to control the type of no-holds-barred verbal crossfires that one would see at Topix.
From: Dominican Republic
Oupala, you are vomiting again! Saint Domingue/Haiti kept taking STO DGO/DR land slowly with time from 1777 to the Plaine plateau in 1801! SO in fact you did to us what the U.S. did to Mexico! You don't even know Haitian history!
Lau, the case of Benedict is very different from the case of Santana! The colonist used the French hate against the British for their independence. Santana asked Spain (our motherland) to expel and stop the PIGS OF THE WEST from further intrusion!
WE SHOULD NEVER QUESTION OR MISTREAT A LIBERATOR LIKE SANTANA! WE SHOULD COUNT OUR BLESSING SINCE EVEN BOLIVAR LET US DOWN IN 1822!
From: Dominican Republic
HaitianMaggot (=HaitianPIGS), Bolivar exchange diplomats with the Haiti Espanol so he betrayed us in 1822!
Haiti's help to Bolivar was INSIGNIFICANT and no-impacting compared to what the former british pirates did for la Gran Colombia against Spanish soldiers.
So Haitian pig MIND YOUR OWN FREAKING EXCREMENT BUSINESS! Pass gas into your negro hole and DR will mind is own business!
From: Dominican Republic
The Haitianpigs are trying to tell us that the 13 years of Spanish administration (1809-1821) were worse than the 22 years of the brutal, destructive, genocide and erradicating authoritarian rule of Boyer in DR!
The Haitianpig think our flag colors/symbols honor Haiti. Our flag honors France's flag just like the Haitian flag did. The Haitian Pigs think that casuality is a correlation. This may explain why the Haitian think that Lichestein's flag is emulating the Haitian flag!
From: Haiti
aleumeuse? don't let me jump on your back. watch your negro de la montagna mouth, negro dumbpig dominican.
From: Canada, Montreal
Allumeuse, your first flag was the same haitian flag with a christian cross so shut the hell up. Now, Miranda draw the first flag where ? In Haïti where Dessalines gave him exile. I foggot why the venezuelan flag has blue and red ? Why Chavez ^keep helping us if it was "INSIGNIFICANT and no-impacting ". Ciudad Bolivar should be named Ciudad Alejandro Pétion our Ciudad Ayiti. We fight and take this city. Now if you wanna still be this "Restavek" spanish this is your problem. For finish, you're anthem was written by a man wich his last name was " Prud'homme" mmmm sound haitian !
" Ante la neutralidad del Gobierno británico, que no quería comprometerse a darle un apoyo abierto, y la posibilidad de que los españoles estuvieran intentando asesinarle, Bolívar consideró necesario trasladarse a otro país más seguro donde pudiera organizarse una expedición."
From: Canada, Montreal
At least today even if (the ex-grand Columbia ) they aren't all thanksfull one of them know what we did for them.
From: Dominican Republic
Antonio1=Incognito=cono! Our first flag when we kicked you out was TWO VERTICAL BARS (ONE BLACK AND ONE RED)! SO read history carefully! The two horizontal bars (red and blue) with a white cross was the "Trinitarios" flag that was later adopted! The white cross was to say we are FRENCH!
Venezuelan Flag Meaning:
http://www.worldflags101.com/v/venezuela-flag.aspxThe Venezuelan flag is based on one flown by independence fighters fighting against Spanish colonial rule. At that time the yellow represented the gold of the Americas, blue stood for the Atlantic Ocean which separated the new Americas from the bloody old world of Europe and Spain which is signified by red. A modern but similar meaning behind the Venezuelan flag states that the yellow represents new opportunities, the red symbolizes Spain, and the blue stands for the Atlantic Ocean, which separates the two. The seven stars represent the seven provinces that existed at the time of Venezuelan independence.
From: Dominican Republic
Prud'homme is french! Haitian is not a language. Haitian is a nationality! France was in STO DGO 1795-1809! Some of the true French you missed lynching end up in STO DGO!
From: Canada, Montreal
by the way google Nickenson Prud'homme you will see a dark skinned Haitian !
From: Canada, Montreal
The flag is essentially the one designed by Francisco de Miranda for his unsuccessful 1806 expedition to liberate Venezuela and later adopted by the National Congress of 1811. It consisted of three equal horizontal stripes of yellow, blue and red. Miranda's flag is also the inspiration for the flags of Colombia and Ecuador. This original design was first flown on March 12, 1806 at Jacmel, Haiti as Miranda's expedition prepared to make the final leg of its voyage to Venezuela. The flag was first flown over Venezuelan soil at La Vela de Coro, on August 3. Until August 3, 2006, Flag Day was celebrated in Venezuela on March 12. Since 2006 it has been celebrated on August 3.
From: Canada, Montreal
the french flag is 3 horizontal band
Quatered with a white cross, first and fourth fields blue, second and third red. Origin of colours is from Haitian flag. It was officially accepted on 1844.11.06.
Željko Heimer, 12 Dec 1995
http://flagspot.net/flags/do.html#desFrom: Canada, Montreal
By the mid 1800's Dominicans, dissatisfied with the conditions under the Haitian government, begin their own struggle for freedom. The first version of the Dominican flag was born when Juan pablo Duarte modified the Haitian flag by superimposing a white cross over it. This design consists of two blue upper quadrants and two red lower quadrants with a white cross in the middle dividing them all. The first flag was fashioned by Ms. Concepcion Bona and Ms. Maria Trinidad Sanchez, among others. It flew for the first time on the day of Dominican independence, February 27, 1844.
A dominican website
http://www.el-bohio.com/flag.htmlFrom: Dominican Republic
Incognito, our first flag was the vertical black follow by the vertical red from 1843 to 2/1844! See below!
http://www.frentepatrioticodominicano.org/The flag you showed in your report is the "TRINITARIO" flag. The trinitarios was a group among others fighting for our freedom!!!!
Written by: oupala07 , 21 Aug 2009 4:38 AM
From: Canada
Well my friend Lautaro,
Until lately, I knew it was like a no hold bar blog, but I was surprised to notice that they are censoring the foul words from the text. Now, anyone can get on anyone case, but you won't be able to throw the kind of atrocity that our friend allumeusegeneroso is throwing at us haitians.
Yes, LeNouvelliste newspapers belongs to the elite (who else could own it?). However, the online version is accessible to every internaut. So, feel free to pay us a visit and if someone is trying to mob you, I'll be there to get my foot on his butt, because I know you are a gentleman, but I can't guaranty the same favor to our friend firestartergeneroso.
Incognito, HaytianPridesimo,
Do not play Allumeusegeneroso's game. The man is a psycho and frustrated individual who is not aware of his country's situation. He thinks that the Dominican republic can actually afford to antagonize us even if we are quite weak.
Written by: oupala07 , 21 Aug 2009 4:44 AM
From: Canada
He is so smart that he can't understand that if we shut down the border it's more than six hundred millions dollars that will stop flowing from both sides of it, and that the biggest looser will be his country. Sometimes, I can't stop wondering whether or not he is balanced mentally, because at times, he shows some really sound bolts of judgement.
I am pretty certain that his hatred for Haitians is not natural, but comes from something personal that happened to him somewhere in his life and that has involved one or more haitians.
Am I right firestartergeneroso? Was it a beating? a robberry? a stolen girl friend? If it was one or more of these events, I sincerily apologize for what happened, but if it was not the case then you are more than nut my friend, and you are dangerous even for your own countrymen and women.
Get a life and get over it.
Written by: oupala07 , 21 Aug 2009 4:44 AM
From: Canada
Because you're not doing yourself a favor by being that grumpy
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
I say let his soul rest in peace and his human remains go to his hometown of brave el Seibo
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Do not forget that without the Haitian Ulysse Heureaux, the economic and logistic support he received from Haiti, you would have still been a subject of the king of Spain. Ingratitude is something normal for haters.
It is a pity that most of my innocents countrymen do not understand that we're alone in the whole world facing many enemies among which the Dominican Republic. And that is the reason why I don't think we Haitians will ever have the opportunity to celebrate a century milestone of our independence : too many traitors among us, and too many nations hostiles, resentful and/or envious of our achievement.
Aleumeuse, your silence is giving you up.
Like Santana, you aleumeuse have been calling to be a Spaniard and your people to pass as such. Well, does that make you a traitor, aleumeuse?
Well, aleumeuse as a Haitian I can tell traitors from true patriots from the DR.
Well, aleumeuse your claim was to defend against Haitian agressions, now your people have reallized that traitors among you would rather see the whole island turn back to slavery. Then, ask no more why we Haitians had to defend our freedom from you kissing, sleeping with your master Spain. May be its time to really revise your twisted history books, or your slave mentallity toward your master, aleumeuse.
Santana is THE TRUE LIBERATOR OF DR! IF his body is relocated, the panteon will be the target of sabotage (and you know what I mean!). There are people like Pablo Ali who welcome Boyer in 1822 and whose remains reside in the Alfaro de Colon. People like Nunez de Caceres who destituted Pascual (spanish governor) and asked La Gran Colombia for protection and Bolivar betrayed us.
The people of San Cristobal also betrayed DR when in 1849 they refused to take arms and fight the invading Haitian force led by Soulouque!
Francisco del Rosario Sanchez was a traitor for working with Haiti in 1860!
Now the prohaitian are pushing for the haitianization of DR and at the same time, burying the antiHaitian like Santana and Trujillo!
I guess Julio Cesar Valentin doesn't care about his family. His position is putting his family in a grave situation.
Your hunger for owning and controlling DR still continues! I can't wait to return the favor to Haiti!
SPain never threaten DR after 1865 for you to say that Ulyssex saved us!
All the Haitian in this thread are being allowed to distor history to defame DR! The administrator of DT should excercise more filtration of lies meant to undermine history!
if spain have taken over we would no have US influence that later on invade haiti and DR and allow US invester to contract cheap labor from haiti to the sugarcane field, this is where this F problem come from, The US invasion in haiti and DR,,,american need sugar and haiti have cheap labor, they crossed the border and never return back to haiti...and the corrupt politician of the time sold us out as well for money.
The AMerican driven by capitalism and Haitian resistance in Port of Pigs!
You better go watch some TV or listen to some good music, because when people smoke and are stonned, that's what they do. You are saying thing that even a fourth grader will find him/herself too intelligent, smart and rational to say in front of decent people. I think you need to really take a look on the kind of conversation that is being engaged here before you come to spoil good people by your hatred and insults.
In fact, if I was you, I'd rather focus on how to help my country cope with the upcoming great depression instead of shouting empty word at an empty audience.
You are right to shit and piss on us today, because if we had intelligent people instead of illiterate peasants at our country's helm, you would have been very humble today.
This is the 21st century and this is the Internet. If you don't understand what does that mean, have someone a little bit more intelligent than you explain you that.
Get out the mountainers mentality and embrace civilisation. The internet is the most democratic entitty in the world now, it provides a voice to every citizen of this planet, and this is the reason why some totalitarian enclined countries like China, Russia, and numerous Arab states have put a severe control over its users. Even in the United States now they do have a project to control it.
Are you telling me that the same tool that gives you a voice to insult Haitians must be restricted to Dominicans only? How come then we Haitians never make a big fuss about it when your people go to the LeNouvelliste blog and insult us. Are you telling me that the Haitian/Dominicans population in your country has no right to use this blog to defend their haitian heritage?
Go wipe your butt my friend, it is dirty.
http://juanbosch.org/libro.php?id=1585&t2=cp
BTW Lautaro what is your opinion on moving the remains of Gen.Santana?
There is a website where i can go to insult haitian and defend my heritage, i didnt know, cause we Dominican are not into other people busines,, thank you for the info,,,i should make a haitian account and be a shuttle among you
Lau, the case of Benedict is very different from the case of Santana! The colonist used the French hate against the British for their independence. Santana asked Spain (our motherland) to expel and stop the PIGS OF THE WEST from further intrusion!
WE SHOULD NEVER QUESTION OR MISTREAT A LIBERATOR LIKE SANTANA! WE SHOULD COUNT OUR BLESSING SINCE EVEN BOLIVAR LET US DOWN IN 1822!
Haiti's help to Bolivar was INSIGNIFICANT and no-impacting compared to what the former british pirates did for la Gran Colombia against Spanish soldiers.
So Haitian pig MIND YOUR OWN FREAKING EXCREMENT BUSINESS! Pass gas into your negro hole and DR will mind is own business!
The Haitianpig think our flag colors/symbols honor Haiti. Our flag honors France's flag just like the Haitian flag did. The Haitian Pigs think that casuality is a correlation. This may explain why the Haitian think that Lichestein's flag is emulating the Haitian flag!
" Ante la neutralidad del Gobierno británico, que no quería comprometerse a darle un apoyo abierto, y la posibilidad de que los españoles estuvieran intentando asesinarle, Bolívar consideró necesario trasladarse a otro país más seguro donde pudiera organizarse una expedición."
Venezuelan Flag Meaning:
http://www.worldflags101.com/v/venezuela-flag.aspx
The Venezuelan flag is based on one flown by independence fighters fighting against Spanish colonial rule. At that time the yellow represented the gold of the Americas, blue stood for the Atlantic Ocean which separated the new Americas from the bloody old world of Europe and Spain which is signified by red. A modern but similar meaning behind the Venezuelan flag states that the yellow represents new opportunities, the red symbolizes Spain, and the blue stands for the Atlantic Ocean, which separates the two. The seven stars represent the seven provinces that existed at the time of Venezuelan independence.
Quatered with a white cross, first and fourth fields blue, second and third red. Origin of colours is from Haitian flag. It was officially accepted on 1844.11.06.
Željko Heimer, 12 Dec 1995
http://flagspot.net/flags/do.html#des
A dominican website http://www.el-bohio.com/flag.html
http://www.frentepatrioticodominicano.org/
The flag you showed in your report is the "TRINITARIO" flag. The trinitarios was a group among others fighting for our freedom!!!!
Until lately, I knew it was like a no hold bar blog, but I was surprised to notice that they are censoring the foul words from the text. Now, anyone can get on anyone case, but you won't be able to throw the kind of atrocity that our friend allumeusegeneroso is throwing at us haitians.
Yes, LeNouvelliste newspapers belongs to the elite (who else could own it?). However, the online version is accessible to every internaut. So, feel free to pay us a visit and if someone is trying to mob you, I'll be there to get my foot on his butt, because I know you are a gentleman, but I can't guaranty the same favor to our friend firestartergeneroso.
Incognito, HaytianPridesimo,
Do not play Allumeusegeneroso's game. The man is a psycho and frustrated individual who is not aware of his country's situation. He thinks that the Dominican republic can actually afford to antagonize us even if we are quite weak.
I am pretty certain that his hatred for Haitians is not natural, but comes from something personal that happened to him somewhere in his life and that has involved one or more haitians.
Am I right firestartergeneroso? Was it a beating? a robberry? a stolen girl friend? If it was one or more of these events, I sincerily apologize for what happened, but if it was not the case then you are more than nut my friend, and you are dangerous even for your own countrymen and women.
Get a life and get over it.
Read "African Slavery in Latin American and the Caribbean" Herbert S. Klein, pg 222.
80,000 free colored people, 15,000 slaves, and 43,000 Spanish Decendents in STO DGO in 1790!
Online see below:
http://books.google.com/books?id=....result&ct=result&resnum=1