do not give this meddling Jesuit any recognition by doing so you feed these people with their ulterior motives ....and they are many and differed

Maybe we should stop making sugar and grow another crop where we dont need haitian and therefore we can send all of them out DR.. the father will be happy and the Haitian will be without a job and they families even in a worse condition

Hello Telemeco

Stop talking nonsense. You do know that the Dominican Republic, as a country, needs the cheap labor in order to progress economically and to compete in the world market. It does matter if the crop is sugar cane or not, the country needs the cheap labor if it wants to compete in the world market. You never ask yourself why almost all the products in the U.S are made in China or other countries of southeastern Asia. it is because those countries are able to produce the same product at a lower marginal cost. Therefore, those countries have a comparative advantage for the products being produced. Even if another product is being produced instead of the sugar, the smart entrepreneur will need to have the cheap labor. This is just basic economic.

Instead of talking blablabla, let's make this forum a place to really learn and share good ideas.

Telemeco-Good thought and I wish it were that simple!!! But do you realize how much money is involved? The sugar industry is a world wide multi-billion dollar industry. Too many economic interests to switch over to some other cash crop. I don't think it will sway away the Haitians. They will just continue to come regardless. Haitian labor will be used to harvest another crop. As long as Haitians remain as a cheap source of labor, they will continue to be exploited as much as and as long as they can or until they find an alternative lower cost method of harvesting sugar. What the industry fails to realize is that the short term economic advantage, will be cost more long term. The DR will eventually lose their competitiveness against other countries if they continue to employ cheap Haitian labor. A country such as Brazil have pretty much mechanized their sugar industry, and become less dependent on manual labor and more on advance harvesting technology methods.

Hello Telemeco, come on man?
The DR has the perfect climate for growing Sugar and I hope the DR expands its sugar industry and follows Brazil's example and starts to convert the sugar into fuel for your vehicles. To grow your exports and perhaps develop alternative fuels you have not only the wonderful climate needed for growing sugar but you also have a willing supply of hard working people who will work very cheaply and give the Dom Rep a strategic advantage. Embrace the Haitian workers, treat them with some respect and both countries can advance.

Hello Guillermo

But until then, the country needs the cheap labor in order to produce the sugar at a lower marginal cost than the other countries that are willing to export their sugar.

Hello Letmic

Now I can feel that someone is really talking in this forum. Telemeco is just writting just to write but he has nothing good to say. Poor telemeco, so young and so dumb.

Thing is, mon ami renault, that if the companies that produce the crop do give in to the priest's demands, then the workers will lose their cheap labour status, which would most likely end up in them losing their jobs, cuz' the value of those kind of workers comes from their not receiving the same benefits that the common citizen receives (like the right to form syndicates, access to the pension system, etc.). In short, it's a catch-22 situation, in the sense that if the priest continues with his anti-business campaign, the ones that will end up paying for his transgressions are precisely the workers that he's supposedly defending. The workers are the unwilling pawns in a much larger game.

renault-I have no problem with Haitians working the sugar plantations and returning to Haiti after harvest with money in their pockets to provide for their families back home. In this case I know and understand that we need them and are dependent on their labor specifically and only for this industry. However, I do have a problem when Haitians start stepping over the toes of the poor working class and Dominican campesinos. This socio-economic segment of the Dominican population already in the lower rungs of the stratum, has been the one who has suffered the most and continue to endure economic hardship and will further be pushed lower down as a consequence of a massive migration of a cheap Haitian labor force. This influx of Haitians on Dominican territory has never been seen in our 165 year history, yet noboby has done anything to protect the interests or gone in defense of the largest representation poor Dominicans.

The publicity hound Jesuit priest has a mission against the DR for kicking him out of the country, and he will always be a nemesis and a trouble maker.
The priest has had the economic support of many pro-unification NGO's and as the saying goes, whoever pays directs the play.
Shame on the deeds of this evil priest, a present day inquisitor and the worst example of Christian values and virtues.

Hello Guillermo

This is where the Government needs to tep in to protect the campesinos. The government can order the sugar industry to increase their wages in order to attract the campesinos. This move will increase the sugar industry's marginal cost. What do you suggest?

Ranault-The deep rooted problem does not necessarily exist within the sugar industry, though it is part of it. Haitians have been coming to the DR as a transient labor force for decades and the system has always worked well. They came, they worked and went back and everybody was happy. Now they come, stay and don't want to leave. The solution is not as simple as increasing salaries, it far more complex then that. One of the root causes of the problem is within our own government officials and their lack of a clear immigration and enforcement policies and the continued political and social unrest and the deteriorating economic conditions of Haiti. To make matters worse you have Jesuit priests and international non-governmet organizations that add wood to the fire and create an air of animosity by creating an inacurate illusion of racial xenophobia against the Haitians.

it was a methafor,,,,,i do undestand the economy behind it and the social economical issues that are affecting the issue with the Haitian,,just thinking a way out of this international publicity motivate by a small few with personal bandera again DR, but i hear SOY it paying better money and is easier to harvard

Heres is an idea, MOVE THE SUGAR CANE INDUSTRY TO HAITI, it is allready deforest DR companies could make that move, we be helping ourselve and helping Haitian come out that economical mess they are in

I just wonder how much the DR profits from the increased sugar price ..I doubt if any payments ever see any bank in this country but go to banks in Florida and other USA states where the owners buy new boats and helicopters and the poor workers in the plantations who live in atrocious conditions with pay well below any decent level will get no more . I imagine the contacts are between European companies and USA companies and we get little benefit here as the ownership is not Dominican
The sugar factory in la Romana pours out black smoke over the city and the schools most days and the sugar company cares nothing ,

Renault born in 1982 that will make you 27...te llevo 3 saco de arroz y 3 mas de habichuela,,not to mention a engineering degree and ex U.S special demolition operation.

i am not here insulting anyone, i will appreciate the same hospitality,,,,,,and since you started who is really the kid in here

Ricardolito,
You make an excellent point, the sugar cartel in the D.R. is absolutely non-Dominican. The D.R. produces 10% of all the sugar imports to the US, I can only imagine what that translates into dollars.
The cartel benefits from cheap labor and little or no government regulations for safety or environmental controls except for the omnipresent kickbacks. The Dominican people are then left with the stigma of being labeled "exploiters" and are left to deal with the high volume of illegal workers that create a difficult burden on a country that has intrinsical poverty and limited resources. The cartel gets their money, the politicians get their graft and the Dominican people get the bad publicity and burden of dealing with the fallout of such an injurious predicament.

So far , so good,
Everybody civil toward each other.
Agree to disagree.
But you wait when the racist hyaenas and the jurrasic mammoths get in
Insults are going to be flying !

etiennc01
Ki bagae sá? Self fulfilling prophesy, do not wish for what you don't want, as the universe can't tell the difference, instead, wish for what you want.
Peace.

As Haitian on my side I think it's good. If things can change faster with this, I agree with the priest. I know everyone here will insult me but it's my point !

I am proud that there are priests from the Dominican Republic who speak out in favor of social justice. They do what official Roman Catholic chirch should do, I am proud that this priest is a Jesuit. The way the Haiitians are being treated in the Dominican Republic is horrible. Every self respecting human rightd organisation expresses that, but unfortunately the Dominican officials, including the Cardinal fails to admit it and to stop it. They keep playing their old games. The politicians keep abusing and steeling and the Cardinal busy with his moral standpoint on abortions. When will the country get the politicians and the Roman Catholic Church they need.

Just keeping away from the question of what country the workers are from , it is horrible to see anyone in poverty but I believe a way must be found where the profits from the very lucrative sugar industry are kept in this country .I suppose that if we lived in Cuba or in Venezuela the sugar companies would be taken over by the government with no or little compensation but that solution would sit badly with most people even though it would solve the economic problems of the country. The only other way I can think of twisting the arms of the sugar cartels is to give them the alternative of having all the sugar contracts from Dominican companies (of the cartel) which would be taxable here or imposing some form of export tax which is a bit against free trade ..but the DR is not in a position to be nice in every thing

I am just been thinking out loud here but I would like to know if someone has a good idea of how we can keep much more of the sugar income and profit here . Maybe the government can issue a law giving a new minimum wage in the sugar fields and a production tax ..it is so much a sellers market at present that the DR needs to get something out of it

and one more thing ,,again we have to question the deliberate provocative headline here ..I have a feeling this priest may be pro poor people regardless of their origin ...maybe he is like the good Samaritan who does not ask a person his origin before he helps them ..remember all the others just went to the other side of the road and were content to let the injured man die

lest get rid of this hate-ians , but in a " good and peaceful way " :D

as you know the Rwanda war has been labeled genocide and was between two tribes in one country fighting a civil war and actually had nothing to do with unmarked graves but the worst atrocities were done by militias and gangs of totally uncivilised men who murdered about a million people ..a little like Pol Pot the other genocide mastermind in Cambodia .the justice system is taking some time to catch up but it will as it has in Bosnia

Roso
tu hablas creole con fluidez.
Creo que eres uno de esos Haitianos " In closet " como : guillermore , carlos francos.vacanos,trujillo,ricardolito,telemeco and fosforo, I mean alumineuse ha ! ha ! ha ! ha ! ha !

barbancout, brugal ,mamajuana una morena para mi y una mulata para ti

etiennc01
The creole must be because of all the djon djon mushrooms avec rice that I have eaten, LOL.
I do speak a little creole and francais, biculturalism is very important, and Dominicans are learning this now and mastering other languages beside spanish. Most Haitians are very good learning new languages including spanish and english.

Ricardolito
Wrong about father Christopher, real wrong. Guy is a nutcase. Do some research on the jesuits and then come back to me. Re sugar, I hope they do ban sugar exports anyway, it is only a "dessert commodity" and not really very useful, as well as bad for your health. I would rather we mechanize the sugar industry and start producing ethanol like Brasil, or other crops. All Dominicans are also tired of taking the PR blame for the sugar barons, these modern slave merchants deserve no pity or mercy, the way they treat their workers, including Dominicans, and all other Dominicans have to pay for their bad deeds.

To the Haitian in this thread. We now have machinery (technology) to harvest sugar cane. And the sugar industry is a clear illustration of Haitian displacing Dominican by lowering wages! The American started it and kept it like that.

The report talks about the antiDominican Hartley who used his office to instigate, to defame, to promote antiDominicanism, and to shelter illegal Haitian! These man should be put to sleep!

This is what Hartley was promoting in DR. Read:
Inhumano trafico de menores haitianos a Republica Dominicana
Friday, August 21, 2009

http://dominicanoshoy.com/articul....haitianos-a-republica-dominicana/

por Antonio Santana

SANTIAGO.-Caminan por las calles de Santiago, sucios, harapientos, los más pequeños desnudos y se abalanzan a los conductores pidiendo limosnas o una sobra de un jugo, o cualquier comida rápida que consuman transeúntes y automovilistas para mitigar la sed y el hambre.

I am tired of these Haitian telling us what we must do! IF we want to stop the Dominican sugar industry THAT IS OUR CHOICE AND RIGHT! Don't come here threatening us with "cheap labor" or "competitiveness" or "alternative energy." The hell with all that! If the sugar industry is destroying the Dominican society and the fatherland, then we must destroy it! WE CAN LIVE WITHOUT THE NATIVE SUGAR! The american will bring in corn syrup anyway!

We are all children of same God.

Haitians would rather be in their own country and culture if it weren't for its dire economic and ecological situation.

We must treat Haitians with dignity and respect and compassion and help them recover their country from the tentacles of destruction, lest we one day face our creator with fact that we turned our backs on our brothers in time of need.

We complain about treatment we receive as immigrant Dominicans in US. White or black, being Dominican, you are all lumped into same minority category and discriminated against. We've all experienced that-I am sure! Ironic-isn't it?

How about we all start being a bit more civil, treat Haitians same way we would want to be treated? We could enjoy symbiotic relationship, help our brothers bring change in their homeland, then they will one day repatriate and we will have a good friend.

With above comments, probably lost last friend in forum.

Entienne, I don't care if I make list!

Another HOT TOPICS from Dominican Today.

It seems that whenever these readers read: "Haitians", they get exited.

Dominican Today knows there's going to lot's of arguments. They love it.

In any case I don't think Dominicans benefit from the sugar cane business otherwise the dominican Republic would've been the richest country in the world already.

Two things I protest are the treatment that the workers get from the bateys, the second is when Haitians after done working in the bateys or any where else in DR when they try to go back to Haiti they get robbed by your army or regular Dominicans.

Glomar take your humanism, compassion, pacifism, and socialism to the U.S. and stay there! Showing weakness to these bastards and it will spell our end! These septic holes if you offer them a hand, they will eat your whole body!

Do not insult Dominican history nor DOminican reality with stupid human philosophy! The Haitian bastards are playing hard ball with us. They cross the border, rob us, bring violence, diseases, crazy ants, poverty, illiteracy, and now they are dumping their children and women. We already have 3.8 million poor Dominican and now 2 million Haitian!

The hell with you. If you are assisting the enemy to conquer DR by inundating DR with foreing nationals, stay out of my country you traitor (just like Francisco de Rosario Sanchez)!

Glomar just shot the hole! The U.S. is deporting DOminican on a weekly basis and not one complains not even the stupid Human rights or Jesuits or the U.K. Your comparison of the cases failed. Your attempt to invoke the bottom line humanity to make Dominican malleable to the Haitian invasion is betrayal (typical of a traitor).

This is a fight for limited resources in DR and the Haitian, like the termites, can smell the trees, fertile land, and human opportunities in DR and it fits right along their attitude that whole island is Haitian as tought in their secondary schools!

This Jesuit has done more for human rights than anyone. He wouldn't have to be so drastic if basic respect was given to these "cheap workers". Obviously, some comments here support the reason why he is so drastic.

allum,

I suppose anger management therapy is in order for you.

You leave me nearly speechless.

I see you write from DR. What's the problem? Did Us revoke your visa as well?

I don't know what the correct litmus test for Dominican patriotism should be, but I'd suspect you are unqualified to adminisiter it.

Neither you or anybody else in this forum is qualified to question my Dominican heritage or my patriotism.

It would have been the easy road to advocate gang mentality and prey upon a defenseless people-would that make me a better man and patriot? I think not.

Please note that I am merely advocating same treatment for Haitians that Dominicans have come to expect in US.

BTW, dignity and respect could still be exercised even when effecting an arrest or deportation due to violation of the rule of law-a concept highly questionable in DR.

If you epitomize Dominican patriotism, then our troubles have clearly been underestimated.

Allum,

Can you please elucidate on number of Dominicans deported from US who didn't commit any crimes? BTW, entering US illegally is definitely a crime!

You wrote: "Do not insult Dominican history nor DOminican reality with stupid human philosophy! The Haitian bastards are playing hard ball with us. They cross the border, rob us, bring violence, diseases, crazy ants, poverty, illiteracy, and now they are dumping their children and women. We already have 3.8 million poor Dominican and now 2 million Haitian!"

Funny thing is that many Dominicans are guilty of same actions in US, with possible exception of "crazy ants". They certainly cross border, rob us, bring violence, diseases, poverty, illiteracy and abandon children that they father with several different women. So, you see, a lot of the same issues you complained about when it came to the Haitians. No leg to stand on!

Generoso ,, I know the Jesuit movement moderately well in various countries but not here and I admire their high levels of teaching , preaching and devotion:They seem to be at much higher level than other orders but they do have a reputation for meddling. I do not know anything about this particular priest but was giving him the benefit of doubt .

FYI:
The Black Pope is one of the names of the Superior General of the Society of Jesus. Perhaps the most commonly used name for the top Jesuit is the Jesuit General. He is called The Black Pope because of the Black vestments he normally wears, as opposed to the white vestments worn by the actual Pope.The Jesuits were founded by Ignatius Loyola, a Spanish General, in 1534 as the military arm of the Vatican. Initially, their primary function was to get Protestants to return to the Catholic Church. If Protestants refused to return to the Catholic Church, they were labeled heretics, and murdered by the Jesuits, the warrior priests.For more than 250 years these Jesuits tortured and murdered thousands of heretics in the name of God, and absolutely terrorized the people of Europe and every other country they visited. Finally, in 1773, the Pope officially disbanded the Jesuits for being way too evil.

Continued
The Jesuits fled to Prussia, plotted and planned their revenge, and returned to poison the Pope who had abolished them. The next Pope allowed the Jesuits to return to their official status in 1814, at which time the Jesuits gained control of the Vatican’s treasury, the Roman Catholic Church’s worldwide wealth.In 1815, the Rothschild Banking Family intentionally crashed the British stock market and gained control of the European Economy. Then, in 1823 the Jesuit General and the Rothschild Banking Family formed a financial alliance; essentially making the Rothschild’s the investment banker for the Vatican.Eustace Mullins, Avro Manhattan, Eric Jon Phelps, and Dave Cleveland are excellent sources for information about the history of the Jesuits and the Rothschilds. These experts believe that this unholy alliance has been running the world ever since.

Continued
Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild, the founder of the Rothschild Banking family said, t who makes the laws.”“Give me control of a country’s money supply and I care not who makes the laws."
Later, after he had five sons leading his banking empire throughout Europe, his wife said, “If my sons did not want war, there would be no war.”Since 1823, this Vatican/Rothschild alliance has acquired ownership and control of virtually everything. They have gained control of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, thereby effectively controlling the central banks and money supplies of some 185 countries, including all of the G-20 countries.What this means is they have control over all of these governments with their respective military and intelligence operations. Allegedly they have been responsible for every war, genocide, depression, and virtually ever other diabolical situation, condition, and event over the past 200 years.

Allumeuse, If you have all those machine,truck USE THEM .

alumineuse I can see that u are a patriot not a nationalist
.A patriot says I love what my forefathers have left me and I am not going to share it with anyone even with my poor Dominican countrymen
The patriot asks what his country can for him .The nationalist asks what he can do for his poor countrymen. As someone who has dehumanized, brutalized and demonized now tell us what have u done for your poor fellow Dominicans. Your selfisness is evident
All for me,nothing for the poor Dominicans.
The soil is shifting under your feet. I sense "PANIC"
Your hate for Haitans seems to suggest that there is a Haitian in your gene make up.The more you attack Haitians the more some people are discovering that you a ashamed closet Haitian
If I take u to some neighborhoods in US ,u will see how fast the will identify u as Haitian.
Dominican is not a race unless u hide from the rest of real world and make it a race.
There is no need now to arreglar la raza,Look at Michelle Obama !

alumineuse, now you can do what you do best: CURSE

Glomar GROUT YOUR ORAL HOLE! What the U.S. do with its immigrant THAT IS THE U.S. own perogative and rights. And in no way is DR to let foreign interest, model, objectives and others dictate what the DR should do!

December 2007, 11:18 AM
United States deported 4,513 Dominicans in 2007
http://www2.dominicantoday.com/dr....-deported-4513-Dominicans-in-2007
Santo Domingo.- The United States repatriated a total of 4,513 Dominicans during 2007. The last group of 108 deportees arrived in the country last week.

Seventy-four of the 108, the largest single group to be sent to the country, have served sentences for drug trafficking, illegal trips, murder, rape, robbery and muggings.

The U.S. immigration authorities said that this last trip had been postponed on two occasions because the airplane they were to travel on had technical problems.

What the Dominican do in the U.S. is not excuse for us in DR to tolerate imported disaster. In fact, what happens in DR is feeding the diaspora behavior and viceversa! We must put our house in order FIRST! GLOMAR CLOSE UP!

4 June 2008, 3:42 PM
The U.S. deported 792 Dominicans so far this year
http://www2.dominicantoday.com/dr....d-792-Dominicans-so-far-this-year

Santo Domingo .- The United States Immigration Service repatriated 56 Dominicans today, bringing to 792 the number of returnees so far this year, after serving time for various crimes.

Newspaper El Nacional reports that 70 percent of the deportees by the U.S. authorities were convicted of drug trafficking.

Dominican Immigration at Las Americas Airport and a U.S. Embassy official said the 56 Dominicans arrived at 2 p.m. Wednesday, on a plane chartered by the Immigration Service.

Etien always vomiting race and skin color! Our goal is to remove that that impairs and threatens DR and the Haitian are in the way and they will get it not matter what!

A nationalist is occasionally a man, more often a worm, of the state. ANY state, as long it offers channels for his ambition and the collective rapaciousness. A nationalist is a leech whose sense of self worth is derived from mass delusions of pride instead of his own excellence. Principles are alien to a nationalist as he measures the people by battles won and treasure looted. A nationalist loves to wave flags in public because above all a nationalist is insecure, and his first defense in the face of a patriot is to question the patriot's loyalty.

A patriot is a man or woman of enlightened principles, who is committed to a republic and its constitution. A patriot is pained when the people stray from the path of liberty and reason and takes it upon his or herself to remind them of their predecessor's ideals. A patriot knows the character of his countrymen (good and bad) and understands all too well their vices which he must continuously remind them of before they cave in to their weakness. A patriot defines his nation by the values they hold dear.

allumineuse , now I know the definition of the word " PLAGIARISM"

This comment is too rational to be coming from the irrational el "fosforo" allumineuse

A word has two defiitions :Denotative and Connotative.

Denotative is the the definion exact , historic ethymological of the word

Connotative is one's experiece with the word guided by one's fear, prejudices, inconsitancies.

you have given me your connotative definition of patriot and nationalist

allumineuse , by the way you have not defended yourself from the accusation that you are just as r. trujillo an " ashamed closet Haitian "
Please no profanities, Flight right like you just did !!!

allumineuse, remember I am a Haitian Dominican .


,

My last two post were not from me! I got them from net! Everyone here can tell the difference between my writing style and thinking process from others! But you have nothing else to add but the obvious!

I put those definitions so that everyone else can measure my concerns and criticism of the Haitian and the Dominican poor! It is the love for Country (Environment, people, and what they do-Culture) that drives me.

alume,

You are full of irrational fears and hatred, and I feel sorry for you.

You are very confused in your sense of patriotism, for your thinking is of the same nature as that of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, etc.

Perhaps there is yet hope for you, for I overheard an interesting discussion this morning, where someone stated that "paranoid people have real enemies". Perhaps medication or therapy should be in order.

I surmise you are very angry about some dark and hurtful secret. Perhaps indeed you are "Haitian"; moreover, your implicit hatred for the US suggests one of two things:

1) You were never granted a US visa.
2) You had one and it was revoked, or maybe you are a deportee-you seem most resentful of that fact.

Stop aggressive assault on contributors before "DT monitors" ban you from sight permanently for your unnecessary, overly aggressive and incendiary comments.

So now we got psychologists, moderators, and controllers posters that provide advice in order to cover up their failed logic and their miserable political positions!

I am antiHaitian! I want them out of my country now! We will never forget their actions from 1801 to 2009! I STAND AND LIVE FOR DR! PERIOD!

"I am a Haitian Dominican " THere is not such thing as "Haitian DOminican." Haiti does not accept the dual citizenship (Article 15 of the Haitian Constitution states that clearly).

If you are Dominican and want to get the Haitian citizenship, you must renounce the Dominican citizenship. And the viceversa is also true! So please do not demonstrate illiteracy but pushing a concept that it is not possible!

If you are born in Haiti and one of you parent is Dominican, you are still Haitian and you must be 18 years old before you renounce your Haitian one!

If you are born in DR and one of your parent is Haitian, you are still Haitian and you must be 18 years old before you renounce your Haitian one! (Article 11 of the Haitian Constitution clearly states that)!

In what way I am thinking like Hitler? Explain!

Dear AllumeuseNOTGeneroso,

I lived and worked in the DR for 3 years and in Haiti for 4 years and your hateful rhetoric brings back many sad memories of blatant physical and verbal abuse of Haitians by the Dominican Police and the general population during my time in the DR. Unfortunatley from my experience your views towards Haiti and Haitians are widely held in the DR across all generations. It saddens me that in this day and age such blind hatred and racism still exists amongst the general Dominican population. The children in the DR are exposed to this hatred of the Haitians by their parents and grandparents and the government seems to have no interest in breaking the continuation of this dreadful cycle. I can't see the Dominicans evolving on this issue and it is a tragedy.

Letmic , I am so glad that you have reminded allumineure that he isnot the Generoso.
Our Generoso (I call him Roso) is a someone who says :Enough of these insults) and allumineuse is someone who thinks the more insults the better. What he is trying to accomplish? God only knows
" Arreglar la raza al reves
un viaje ironico-una realitad Canadiense
Una experencia que quiero compartir con todos que son obsesionados con el color de la piel incluyo allumineuse

When I settled in Canada, I was 20 years old .
Ligh skin,son of an authentic and beautiful Dominican woman ( identified as Indian on her birth certificate and passport,had no Haitian parents,would deny Palo,gaga.and vudu) and a guapo Haitian father.
As a young and viril young man I had difficutiy dating white anglosaxon Canadian woman while these later were really attracted to black Haitian young men,
They did no seem to be attracted to me all.

The darker the Haitians the more women they had.
I had resigned myself to this reailty and I was determined to exterminate all Haitians out of jealousy.
One day I enquired about this phenemenon with a Canadian male friend who also was crazy about dark skin Haitian women He simply put it this way to me.
He said that : Canadian love to have chidren with "THE TEINT BRONZE. They love this tan complexion
Me . I was too light for them and they could never have children (CON EL TINTE BRONCEA) with me .

No wonder that Canadians are in the Dominican Republic roasting their freaking asses in the sun top get el tinte broncea.

Some people want to be white, some people want to be dark

ITE MISSA EST !!!

Etiennc, even here in Quebec. The may be " Nwè kou Chabon" ( Dark like charcoal) they have pretty women... Never undestand why they have so much succes with white women.

Letmic Haiti is not a race but it is a nationality for you to mention "racism" where it doesn't belong. Of course, your level of education speaks for itself! Illiteracy is a terrible thing for your life!

Again, this is not a humanity course or lecture. This is for those who read this thread and learn that Haiti is dumping its mess to DR and they are clearly dragging DR down the same septic hole that gave birth to Haiti! HAITI GO HOME! OR FACE THE BAYONET!

Etien what is your freaking problem with race? It has been told million of times that we just want the Haitian out! Period! Canada is welcome to pick up the 2 million Haitian in DR and take them to Canada!

Why are you guys always deviating from the main topic of this news which is a priest using religion to push illegal into DR and defaming DR once the illegal fail to gain political status?

allumineuse "el fosforo" may God help you get rid of these demons:ignorance,intolerance, fanatism, infantilism, bigotry,hate, fear ,nostalgia, delusion of grandeur that are tormenting your poor soul.

Suggestion

Hypnotherapy has been successful as a treatment of certain irrational fears; fear of spiders, fear of snakes, fear on certain ethnic groups.

GOOD LUCK !
READ PSALM 23:4

AllumeuseGeneroso - I think you need to travel around the world visit different countries and experience different cultures and perhaps this may provide you with some balance and smooth over some of your rough edges. Either that or just get out more and try to get laid - release that pressure that is building inside your head! (both heads that is!)

letmic ,
thanks for helping me in this entreprise :trying to convince allumineuse that Dominican is not a race but a wonderful spectrum of hues between the black and the white race
And also to get through his thick head that the Dominican Republic is beautiful tapistry of different cultural influences:Taino, Spanish, French,Haitian and African.

Etiennc01, - Unfortunatley I saw too many ignorant bigots like alluniineuse in the DR in the 3 years I was living and working there so don't waste your time on him. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink! . With such deep set hatred all energy and focus needs to be directed towards the next generation. Tolerance and respect of cultural differences needs to be taught at school because the children won't find those values being taught at home in the DR with such bitter and ignorant people like allunineuse as parents. The internet can expose these children to new ideas and hopefully allunineuse will provide internet access and a computer to his children so they can learn at home without his influence.

I could not say better , Letmic
When allumineuse burns in hell for all the insults he had directed toward , even me calling me Haitian excrement , he will be black and "CRISPY"

etiennnc-"Light skin,son of an authentic and beautiful Dominican woman ( identified as Indian on her birth certificate and passport."

I notice that a lot of people who have issues with race, always take out of context a particular detail found on official Dominican documents in which the individual is described as "indio." Many claim that this is an attempt for Dominicans to hide or to deny an afro-ancestry. However, if you analyze the question, it does not ask an individual to select race, like how it is requested on US application forms, but rather the question asks to describe skin color and not race. This includes height, weight, color of eyes, hair and skin. I think the Fed gov't has, what I call an egalitarian method to help identify a person with out getting into the subject of race or ethnicity. For example on my US naturalization I am identified as of medium complexion, yet on my state driver License white but my DR passport my color is indio, a matter of interpretation

guillermone, thanks for your adult explanation.
At least my subliminal message was discovered by your consciuos perception and discussed intelligently .
I hope that the usual adolescents and insults spitters will follow your example and raise the standard of discussions in this forum
Intelligent people can agree to disagree

etienne-Your sarcasm behooves me to try to be polite. Besides my intent was not to get into an intellectual debate about a socio-political subject matter, but rather a light level and leisurely discussion on amiable terms. But I know that it is hard for you to do with all the psychological baggage you carry from the days of your childhood. You are just like a pig in mud, unless you get yourself half-way deep in mud, you just don't know any other way to act. Apparently this is how you are able to inter-relate with others. My advice to you: GET HELP !!!

FLESHTORPEDO-I think I know who you are. You went out with my cousin Altagracia. Did she forget to tell you that she use to be ARTURO. Be careful with some of those girls, I know one guy who came down from the Turks & Caicos and I wonder if that was you. He dated this double gender dominican person, and when he got down on her, he got poked in the eye. Oh and by the way I hope you are not a vegetarian or just a person who loves fruits. That girl you picked-up at the fruit stand, be careful with her, you know she always throws in the adams apple as ñapa with the package. Just some words of advice and I hope you take it heart.

Alumeuse is banned

Good riddance Alumeuse - no doubt he will just change his username and his hateful opinions will be easily recognizable when crawls back out from the shadows.

Dear Alumeuse, Banned and no doubt well deserved but please take some time to look into the mirror, analyse yourself and try to find some inner peace. Your thoughts are very aggressive, extreme and hateful. The Haitians are a troubled people but they get up every day despite the helplessness of their situation and they try to improve their lives and their situation. Similiar to the Dom Rep when I arrived their 8 years ago. Your country was in a terrible state - it was bankrupt and needed help from the world community. Everyone willingly gave the DR a helping hand and your country has recovered rapidly and developed at record pace. So please try to relax take a few breaths and take it easy man and as Fleshtorpedo pointed out no doubt you will be back on the forum with a new username and I hope however that we don't recognize you from your spiteful rhetoric.

PIGS TALK

Pigs have no sweat glands to naturally cool themselves.

To cool themselves, they require acces to water or a wallow , which is a area of the " mud " .

The mud also serves to protect some pink pigs from sunburn and heat stress.

A dish made of fried pig skin called" chicharron " is very popular in the Dominican Republic.

Chicharron are commonly sold alongside main highways in the Dominican Republic as a snack

Chicharron and una cerverza Presidente muy fresca , Dios mio !

Moral

Next time someone out of anger says " that you are a pig in a mud " just laugh and get yourself some chicharron and a beer.
When you are debating(trying to influence an audience) or discussing ( trying to influnece one( 1) person) the worst thing that could happen to you is allowing anger to cloud you jugdment and lead you to be erratic and say "PORQUERIAS"
ITE MISSA ES

Guillermone, yes I did have some fun with your cousin Altagracia. I came across here being taken from behind by her dad, (your Uncle). He was breaking her in as all good Dominican uncles do to their nieces and daughters. I gave him a box of Presidentes and he sold her to me for the weekend. Good deal for all concerned. She was 18 so that was fine and she was good at humping as your uncle, cousins and even your dad had started to work on her since she was 12 - standard practice down there in the campo's. After that I do believe she had an operation and became Arthuro and you all know what happened then. Your uncle and cousins just kept plugging away but at the rear entrance. Classy family.

What's sad its the U.E is not protecting the haitian but they own sugar. Example, Guadeloupe "Un département français de France" ( State of France ) is making sugar too.. D.R have competive prizes with the guadeloupean our the Martiniquan prizzes. So Block the D.R will put more $$$ in france hands

freshtorpedo.
I hope your post is the last one in the category "Gutter Comments"and "Demented Minds "

You too guillermone ,stop feeding this nonsense.You have started it !



Thank you

Well Fleshtorpedo-I am glad to know that you enjoyed your trip up my cousin's hershey alleyway. As they say once you try that you never come back. Oh by the way, did you both enjoy shaving together the next morning.

And before I forget, I don't know if Altagracia told you, but she/he comes from a very positive branch of the family. Yes indeed, very positive people. They all tested positive.

etiennc-Go visit a psychiatrist as soon as possible.

Guys, come on! I was enjoying this thread. Dios Mio!


Kiss and make-up

Thank you all of you for listening to my adult voice and stop trading insults. I know you could do it if properly supervised.

kmnupe-"Kiss and make-up"

Sorry, not my type.