A recent protest against Article 30 by pro-choice groups. Photo Tommy Trenchard.
Santo Domingo.- Dominican Republic’s top lawmaker on Friday announced the constitutional amendments pending approval by Congress, including two key points which if passed will boost the Catholic Church and pro-life groups.
Senate president Reinaldo Pared said the Constitution’s Article 30 on abortion must be approved in the second roll call as is, as agreed to by president Leonel Fernandez and opposition leader Miguel Vargas, but noted that it’s each legislator’s “personal decision.”
The also president of the Revisory Assembly also said Article 44, which allows only the Catholic Church to officiate marriages with legal status, will remain as approved in the first roll call.
Speaking about the approval of the Constitutional Reform process in a second reading, Pared said the Electoral Court doesn’t have to be in the same headquarters of the Central Electoral Board and that if the Constitutional Court is created it could be a good experience for the country.
“I was opposed the Executive Branch’s proposal of creating a chamber not of a completely independent court. It could be a good constitutional experience,” said the lawmaker in the Telesistema television program El Dia.
Written by: MannyTav, 11 Sep 2009 11:25 AM
From: United States
Humm...let me see if I understand this....only the Catholic church can officiate and "legalize" a marriage? What about if you're not catholic? Suppose you're Hindu? Muslim? Atheist? Pro-Lifers are getting a big boost here......I see the fingerprints of the church over some of the reform....not sure how I feel about that in light of how some of the biggest persecutions in the world have been carried out in the name of one religion or another.
Written by: josean, 11 Sep 2009 11:34 AM
From: United States
We will remain firmly plant in the 16th century, Thank you Lie-onel Fernandez and the PLD for keeping the Dominican masses in the Dark Ages!l
Written by: Bizc8, 11 Sep 2009 12:10 PM
From: United States
I absolutely disagree with the concept of putting the catholic church on a pedestal as the only officially recognized institution to perform religious marriage ceremonies with civil authority. I guess if you're not catholic, you're only other venue is to get married in court and have a "symbolic" ceremony in your own church.
From: Dominican Republic
Church and politics dont go together... The Church as not joined the 21st century yet, so stay out of the decision making...
Written by: josean, 11 Sep 2009 12:25 PM
From: United States
They are just honoring El Jefe's agreement with the Catholic Church "El Concordato!" One on the most backward steps the DR has ever taken.
Trujillo was killed but not Trujillismo!
13 diciembre 2007
Religión: Concordato el legado del Trujillo
El Concordato significo que se mezclo la religión con el estado. Se dejo a un lado el laicismo que caracterizo a la sociedad dominicana de inicios del siglo, para favorecer a la religión católica. En los últimos años, debido al ascenso del protestantismo, se ha propuesto la revisión de este documento y algunos sectores promulgan igualdad para las religiones. Pero conozcamos mas a fondo el caramelo envenenado que nos ha dejado Trujillo.
Inicio
El dictador Rafael Leonidas Trujillo firmó el Concordato con el Vaticano en 1954 con el papa Pío XII, siguiendo los pasos de Francisco Franco en España. Notese que Trujillo (al igual que muchos dictadores) siempre se mantuvo al lado de la Iglesia Católica desde el
Continued:
Written by: josean, 11 Sep 2009 12:27 PM
From: United States
inicio de su gobierno. El hombre sabía bien que la religión era el opio del pueblo. Le construía templos, hacia donaciones, les facilitaba terrenos y demás cosas . Por eso casi hasta el final de sus días la iglesia se mantuvo a su lado. Ya todos recordaran la frase famosa “Primero Dios y después Trujillo”, la cual les dejo a su reflexion.
Beneficios económicos
El Estado se ha comprometido a no cobrarles impuestos a los sacerdotes, y ha construir las iglesias y parroquias necesarias. También el Estado dominicano se compromete en subvencionar mensualmente a las diócesis existentes en el territorio nacional, así como los colegios dirigidos por católicos. Además las instituciones católicas no serian fiscalizadas y estarán exentas de cualquier tipo de gravamen existente.
En aquella época (1954), se estipulo una subvención de 500 pesos mensuales a la Arquidiocesis de Santo Domingo y de 300 pesos a las demás diócesis.
continued:
Written by: josean, 11 Sep 2009 12:28 PM
From: United States
Lo peor del legado
Lo que realmente ha sufrido el pueblo dominicano es el derrocamiento del sistema Hostoniano, como eje de nuestra educación pública, lo cual, significo un tremendo atraso para nuestra sociedad. El modelo educativo religioso te impone la religión y te enseña moral religiosa. La educación no se debe basar en imponer criterios, los alumnos no son sacos en los cuales se vierten conceptos.
Nuestros alumnos no son educados con criterios científicos, no se les enseña a pensar sino a como pensar. Por eso muchas veces el accionar de los dominicanos carece de raciocinio y obedece a una conducta fanática. Tal vez lo que menos hace el dominicano es pensar.
Ademas observen que nuestra sociedad vive del mito al tabú y del tabú al mito, un espiral vicioso del que nadie escapa. Nuestros jóvenes no reciben una educación sexual verdadera, esto es solo un parche, un lente que en lugar de esclarecer el camino difumina la vista.
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Written by: josean, 11 Sep 2009 12:29 PM
From: United States
Las consecuencias de este fallo en el sistema como; los abortos a gran escala, el embarazo en la adolescencia y las enfermedades de transmisión sexual, son el pan nuestro de cada día. La educación sexual en un estado confesional, es un mito. Los planes han fracasado porque el oscurantismo medieval en el cual viven muchos, no les permiten ver mas allá de lo evidente.
En conclusión
La religión y el Estado no se deben mezclar. Solo observen que ya los evangélicos y otros grupos protestantes están exigiendo su tajada, y sus exigencias de igualdad son correctas. En realidad la igualdad debe existir entre todas las religiones, pero quitandole los beneficios a quienes los tengan. Ninguna religión debe tener prioridad sobre otra ni recibir beneficios del Estado.
source:
http://hedgeohg.blogspot.com/2007....gin-concordato-el-legado-del.htmlWritten by: josean, 11 Sep 2009 12:50 PM
From: United States
How can Lie-onel Fernandez and the PLD present themselves as modern intellectuals and statesmen/women and support this archaic accord which is so demeaning to other religions and essentially state sponsorship of religious corruption?
But more importantly, how can all the modernist Lie-onelitas here on DT that have such a high opinion of “the greatest president we have ever had,” defend this absurd support for backwardness?
Written by: juanb, 11 Sep 2009 1:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic
What our ignorant, lying, thieving, legislators are hoping is that by supporting the Catholic Church, that they will be forgiven when they die. I hope that they all rot in hell.
Written by: juanb, 11 Sep 2009 1:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: DomVilla, 11 Sep 2009 2:02 PM
From: United States, Maryland
I understand the constitution hold a paragraph related with liberty of cult , that been said every cult has the point of view but officially for the DR government the only valid and official is the catholic church. Hitler was bless for the catholic church and 70 million people die on the World War II.
Written by: Edward, 11 Sep 2009 4:33 PM
From: United States, Faux News: Unfair Imbalance
If this "Backwardtution" passes, what are the Catholics going to demand next? The legalization of inquisitions and crusades? There's nothing like the "good old days"!
Written by: josean, 11 Sep 2009 4:35 PM
From: United States
No Edward, their own private METRO!
From: Dominican Republic
It's stuff like this that makes me wonder about countries like this. While the rest of the world is opening up...the DR seems to be closing in. At the same time they wish to be respected as an open and forward thinking country, with opportunities for all who wish to invest (move here), the Chinese, Isrealies, Egyptians, UAE's...etc.
Written by: josean, 11 Sep 2009 5:51 PM
From: United States
Mike,
As long as they are willing to kiss Cardinal Nicky's cushions, like Lie-onel Fernandez and the PLD, they are welcome!
Written by: juanb, 11 Sep 2009 7:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I think that their stupid hats somehow impede their ability to think.
Written by: BASTA, 11 Sep 2009 7:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
How can Lie-onel Fernapuftandez and the PLD present themselves as modern - because their audiences are assholes
From: United States
there has got to be some translation error here. i absolutely refuse to believe that in the 21st century, a government can entertain anything as backward as this. how can there be such a thing as a state religion in 2009? is this serious? do these guys realise that there is such a thing as the internet, and people the world over are now privy to this information? do posters still believe that there are outside forces who seek to destroy the image of the country? with initiatives like this , any such malfeasance is redundant. these guys are doing it all by themselves. holy jeezus; a fundamental institution like marriage being presided over by guys in grotesque headgear!
Written by: josean, 12 Sep 2009 1:56 PM
From: United States
dread,
Imagine the Dominican/US soldiers who have lost their lives in the Iraq (and Afgan?) war/s fighting religous fundementalism, and now our government continues to support similar backward religous fundementalism, insulting their sacrifice.
From: United States
Dean Josean, a most insightful commentary. state religion in the 21st century. or are we still in the 16th?
Written by: josean, 12 Sep 2009 4:18 PM
From: United States
Written by: Dorkins, 12 Sep 2009 8:31 PM
From: United Kingdom
A couple of lexical quibbles. I find it ludicrous that the monikers 'pro-life' and 'pro-choice' are attributed to either side of this debate. I do not think that to call the feminists anti-life makes any sense when abortions are often taken to avoid what could easily become a miserable existence for both mother and child. Nor is it strictly the case that the Catholic church is anti choice, although there may be more of an argument in this, especially the choices it allows to its women.
May I also pass on my compliments to the photographer in a week where the recklessness of British journalists is under scrutiny, this man still has the courage to put himself in the frontline of what is clearly a stampede of feminist vitriol. I am sure he wears particularly funky trunks.
From: United States
Dorkins, your literary attributes are rather refreshing. have a great day!
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Trujillo was killed but not Trujillismo!
13 diciembre 2007
Religión: Concordato el legado del Trujillo
El Concordato significo que se mezclo la religión con el estado. Se dejo a un lado el laicismo que caracterizo a la sociedad dominicana de inicios del siglo, para favorecer a la religión católica. En los últimos años, debido al ascenso del protestantismo, se ha propuesto la revisión de este documento y algunos sectores promulgan igualdad para las religiones. Pero conozcamos mas a fondo el caramelo envenenado que nos ha dejado Trujillo.
Inicio
El dictador Rafael Leonidas Trujillo firmó el Concordato con el Vaticano en 1954 con el papa Pío XII, siguiendo los pasos de Francisco Franco en España. Notese que Trujillo (al igual que muchos dictadores) siempre se mantuvo al lado de la Iglesia Católica desde el
Continued:
Beneficios económicos
El Estado se ha comprometido a no cobrarles impuestos a los sacerdotes, y ha construir las iglesias y parroquias necesarias. También el Estado dominicano se compromete en subvencionar mensualmente a las diócesis existentes en el territorio nacional, así como los colegios dirigidos por católicos. Además las instituciones católicas no serian fiscalizadas y estarán exentas de cualquier tipo de gravamen existente.
En aquella época (1954), se estipulo una subvención de 500 pesos mensuales a la Arquidiocesis de Santo Domingo y de 300 pesos a las demás diócesis.
continued:
Lo peor del legado
Lo que realmente ha sufrido el pueblo dominicano es el derrocamiento del sistema Hostoniano, como eje de nuestra educación pública, lo cual, significo un tremendo atraso para nuestra sociedad. El modelo educativo religioso te impone la religión y te enseña moral religiosa. La educación no se debe basar en imponer criterios, los alumnos no son sacos en los cuales se vierten conceptos.
Nuestros alumnos no son educados con criterios científicos, no se les enseña a pensar sino a como pensar. Por eso muchas veces el accionar de los dominicanos carece de raciocinio y obedece a una conducta fanática. Tal vez lo que menos hace el dominicano es pensar.
Ademas observen que nuestra sociedad vive del mito al tabú y del tabú al mito, un espiral vicioso del que nadie escapa. Nuestros jóvenes no reciben una educación sexual verdadera, esto es solo un parche, un lente que en lugar de esclarecer el camino difumina la vista.
continued:
En conclusión
La religión y el Estado no se deben mezclar. Solo observen que ya los evangélicos y otros grupos protestantes están exigiendo su tajada, y sus exigencias de igualdad son correctas. En realidad la igualdad debe existir entre todas las religiones, pero quitandole los beneficios a quienes los tengan. Ninguna religión debe tener prioridad sobre otra ni recibir beneficios del Estado.
source: http://hedgeohg.blogspot.com/2007....gin-concordato-el-legado-del.html
But more importantly, how can all the modernist Lie-onelitas here on DT that have such a high opinion of “the greatest president we have ever had,” defend this absurd support for backwardness?
http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=114540
As long as they are willing to kiss Cardinal Nicky's cushions, like Lie-onel Fernandez and the PLD, they are welcome!
Imagine the Dominican/US soldiers who have lost their lives in the Iraq (and Afgan?) war/s fighting religous fundementalism, and now our government continues to support similar backward religous fundementalism, insulting their sacrifice.
http://www.elnuevodia.com/educaci....ensurasdelapeorcalana-614579.html
May I also pass on my compliments to the photographer in a week where the recklessness of British journalists is under scrutiny, this man still has the courage to put himself in the frontline of what is clearly a stampede of feminist vitriol. I am sure he wears particularly funky trunks.