SANTO DOMINGO.- The Constitutional Revisory Assembly approved Article 30 which stipulates "the right to the life is inviolable from conception to the death. The penalty of death will not be established, pronounced nor applied, in any case."
To ratify Article 30, which will now be 38, 128 Assembly members voted for and 34 against, although only 108 were needed, equal to two thirds of the lawmakers.
All of the opposition PRD party legislators voted to approve the controversial Article, except for Agne Berenice Contreras and Josefa Castillo, whereas those of the ruling PLD, 55 voted for and 32 against.
The text promoted by pro life groups, including the churches, whose representatives were in the session, was approved after a long debate with more than 20 Assembly members taking part.
For the second time Assembly vice president Julio Cesar Valentin read Article 4 of the Inter-American Convention on Human Rights which states that "The right to life is inviolable, generally, from the conception to the death," but was also rejected
The lawmaker Isabel Bonilla said it was regretful that the electoral environment influenced the debate on the right to life, from her colleagues’ fear of being penalized in the ballot boxes, and maintained that the issue should be a topic for the Penal Code.
Written by: juanb, 18 Sep 2009 8:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic
We are marching into the 19th Century.
Written by: tejada, 18 Sep 2009 9:17 AM
From: United States
juanb, are you saying that the DR is just now getting out of the 18th century and into the 19th or that they are in the 20th (which is a little behind since we're in the 21st) and going back to the 19th? I was a bit confused with your statement...
From: United States
Typical ignorance. Any of the people who voted for this would surely pay for an illegal abortion for their daughters if they got pregnant under the wrong circumstances. Plenty of young ladies getting pregnant through rape and coersion that are too young, financially and mentally unable to care and raise a child and you leave them no other option but to have the child and be unable to care for it?
This stupidity is ruining too many young girls lives who do not get the chance to grow up because they make a mistake and get pregnant.
How about becoming an educated society and letting women have some control over their own bodies?
So if a man wants to father a child with a specific woman all he has to do is rape her and if she becomes pregnant they have a child and she has no say in it since there is no possibility of abortion.
Once again we look like complete fools to the civilized world.
Written by: generoso, 18 Sep 2009 9:58 AM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
The cowardice and complacency of the legislators,
in prostrating and kneeling to the demands of the modern day inquisitors, is shameful.
This violation of hard earned women's rights is despicable, and only abuses the rights of poor and disadvantaged pregnant women, who can not afford to escape the irresponsibility and life sentencing of the medieval fundamentalist religious zealots.
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
DR must be the only non-Islam country where Church and State are not separated.
The Church won. The people lost.
Written by: Pepe32, 18 Sep 2009 10:39 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Ignorance is people who cannot accept other points of view yet consider themselves "illuminated".
If you don't like a law get involved to change the law ,don't attack those who don't agree with you and if the murder of millions of innocents due to the debauchery and carelessness of men and women is what characterizes the 21st century then I will gladly stay in the 20th or 19th!
No death penalty for anyone,whether they can speak for themselves or not.
From: Dominican Republic
Primitive to the end.
Written by: josean, 18 Sep 2009 11:49 AM
From: United States
September 17,2009 the new republic of DOMINICASATN was found by Lie-onel Fernandez the PLD the PRD and PRSC.
MULLAH Nicolas De Jesus lopez Rodriguez has become The Supreme Ayatollah!
I dare the Lie-onelitas and the PLDers to say that "Eh Pa'Lante Que Vamos!"
Written by: josean, 18 Sep 2009 11:57 AM
From: United States
Concordato 2!
From: United States
This is shameful.
And as far as the death penalty, when sticking to the conventional idea as opposed to this pro-life propaganda of it's usage, while I find it a step backward I can see it's uses for DR.
Written by: josean, 18 Sep 2009 12:29 PM
From: United States
“Somos el 52 por ciento de la población y a ninguna les importó. Necesitamos en el Congreso gente que represente a las mujeres”, precisó."
LILIAN FONDEUR
Ginecóloga dice que los congresistas no pensaron en las mujeres al votar por artículo 30
http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=115300 Written by: mrios, 18 Sep 2009 1:07 PM
From: United States
VeronicaDR,
What if......
When will Men in the DR stop using Woman as a Sex toy, past time ?
When will the DR start Educating Young Ladies that their Bodies...are there Bodies ?
When will the DR Police enforce ALL RAPE LAWS especially YOUNG RAPE VICTIMS ?
When will the DR Gov. start teaching Young Children the proper way to do it ?
When will the DR Gov. pass out free Condoms & Contraceptives too all ?
When will the DR Gov. hold Men accountable for their actions ?
When will the DR Gov. make commercials about Sex and that it should be among two WILLING Responsible Adults ?
When will the DR Gov. advertise the DR as #1 "SEX ISLAND" I'm sure it will boost Tourism and Tax revenue.
Make no mistake about it legal or not Woman to this day in the DR are having Abortions and pay big bucks. Remember in the DR if you got DA BUCKS....Money talks, Doctors listen. OB/GYN is big business in the DR and many Developing Country's.
I could see the MINUS points now.
Written by: josean, 18 Sep 2009 1:21 PM
From: United States
"When will the DR Gov. pass out free Condoms & Contraceptives too all ?"
MULLAH Nicolas De Jesus lopez Rodriguez , The Supreme Ayatollah would never allow that!
Remember He is the Boss !
From: United States
All I can say as a Dominican woman is that I’m elated that my parents had the good sense to move me out of that Neanderthalic country. To think that these idiots actually believe that forcing a child to be born against its mother’s will (whatever the reason may be) is better than terminating an unwanted pregnancy. Ever stop to think what kind of life this child is going to have? Not only because it is unwanted, but also because it has the misfortune of being born in poverty infested, backwards thinking country, where people claim to protect “human rights”, but are quick to disregard the rights of women to decide what happens to their bodies, and their lives. Preposterous!!!
From: Dominican Republic
This is a big part of the problem in our country. To many of the people whom we give power to are too ignorant and still in the last century. Until we do not get these people out of power we will not move forward!
Written by: MannyTav, 18 Sep 2009 3:00 PM
From: United States
I'm not in favor fo the death penalty, but to extend that argument to pre-brith and outlaw abortion? Way to frame the debate by the pro-lifers/moral amjority who are the biggest hypocrites: I challenge anybodyto find one verse in the bible calling for man to impose their will on another. I mean, God gives free will, and there man goes taking it away in their God's name. Guess religion is as it is interpreted to serve one's purposes ata paticular moment; see man's history. And therein lies the problem with religion; to the well-educated mind and a developed nation the separation of State and church is a must. The two can not be one and the same because each religion by definition will always condemn the non-followers to hell or a lower caste in society. But, in DR, this is to be expected. Atleast it keeps th edebate away from the rest of the crap going on in the country; see Bush tactics in America with gay marriage, terror threat warnings, etc., etc.
Written by: Amber, 18 Sep 2009 3:02 PM
From: United States
The majority of pregnancies are not due to rape or incest, so let's stop saying that these poor victims need to kill their unborn children because of said act. It is not the government responsibility to teach males and females about respect for each other, that is the parents responsibility. We don't want the government to get involved at the same time that we demand its involvement in these issues.
It is not the government's fault that we are becoming a nation of moral decadence. Each one of us has a moral and social responsibility of respecting human life at all stages and of teaching our children the true value of human life. The majority of children in the D.R. are not orphans, many just have very irresponsible parents. It is amazing to see all these children roaming the streets saying that they have no Dad because they are the product of a one-night stand. These women are just as guilty as these "dead fathers"
Lives should be protected, not destroyed
Written by: josean, 18 Sep 2009 4:01 PM
From: United States
"It is not the government's fault that we are becoming a nation of moral decadence"
Your kidding right?
Written by: Edward, 18 Sep 2009 4:05 PM
From: United States, Faux News: Unfair Imbalance
Congrats religious freaks on your victory. I hope you enjoy the poverty and overpopulation you love so much!
From: Dominican Republic
JAJAJAJAJA good one Edward!
From: United States
I'm with you Edward!
Written by: mrios, 18 Sep 2009 5:21 PM
From: United States
Edward,
Again I'll repeat......
You claim to live in Mud Hut in Afghanistan, and you have the nerve to call us a Religious Freaks.
Are you Muslim ? if not living under those strict Muslim Religious Laws with no T.V, Bars, Discos, Street Chicks music and where Men Rule over Woman.
I GET IT NOW. At the least the Afghanistan Male is tough from a early age to Respect Woman, and SEX is strictly forbidden out of Wedlock.
The Female after Sex is then considered USED Property and either Stoned or vanished from the Family and labeled USED Property.
Good thing under Islamic Law POST ABORTIONS are still carried out after birth. After the individual breaks the Law, beheading, Being Shot, Hung and a little chopping here or there, minus the suction is what the Guilty pay for there crime.
While in Public...... Do not stare at the Berkas.
Written by: josean, 18 Sep 2009 5:44 PM
From: United States
I respect everyone’s right to belief what ever they want. What I don't respect is any one's attempt to impose those religious beliefs on others.
This is an imposition of a particular group’s beliefs on others, that can't be allowed if we are to develop a modern democracy.
I would refrain for calling anyone a freak, but I don’t refrain from pointing out they are WRONG!
Written by: josean, 18 Sep 2009 6:05 PM
From: United States
Written by: mrios, 18 Sep 2009 6:26 PM
From: United States
Josean,
I'm talking about a personal choice, Freedom of choice CONSCIENCE not mans LAW that would serve Mans reinforcement of His own beliefs.
Abortions have been preformed 100 years ago and will continue to do so even if Article 30 is passed or rejected....Money talks Abortionist Doctors listen .
No one forces you to God, one comes to God willingly using an individuals freedom of choice and CONSCIENCE.
Good thing your Mother did not believe in Abortion, mine's didn't either. God does not force evil on Men, Man does it with out God.
No Democracy in History is perfect, a Country without God is doomed to fail.
Written by: BASTA, 18 Sep 2009 6:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic, = Ghetto-SPM-Barrio Blanco
There is only Witchcraft. Anyway screw the Pop, God and Allah they do not exist but my wire hanger does.
From: Turkey, Istanbul
while talking about the muslims you all have a prototype in your mind right? so tight with the religious things but its not like that.as i see your people are more tight then us with the religion. i am a muslim too living in Turkey but here religious men can never effect the laws. we just decide what we want to do. if we think that we are able to give a good life to our baby, we have it. If for any reason we dont wanna have, its our choice. so living in a country with the muslim majority but where there is secularism, i am really surprised that your country is still discussing about that subject.
Written by: Amber, 18 Sep 2009 7:45 PM
From: United States
I suppose that if every indigent person in this world is kept from having children, all problems will be erradicated. There will be no more poverty and no one will have to share his material possessions with anyone. While we are at it, why don't we also get rid of the old, feeble, handicap, mentally challenged, in other words, those who are a burden to society. Human life is unimportant, let's eliminate everyone that we don't like also. Atheists could do away with the "religious freaks", and "religious freaks" could wipe out those pesky atheists.
I know that the rich doesn't do anything wrong, only those born in poverty.
I personally believe that abortion should not be used as a contraceptive, only in very rare cases and that is after weighing the pros and cons thoroughly
Written by: Vivacuba, 18 Sep 2009 9:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
veronicaDr, thank you!
WalterPolo, No, the corporate communist republic of the USA is also joined at the hip with the church. The only death are to those condemmed by the criminal judges and intentionally misinformed juries. Babies live at the expense of poverty and no hope, while innocent people are placed on death row for decades.
Written by: josean, 18 Sep 2009 9:41 PM
From: United States
mrios,
I sure you were trying to make a point in your last post but frankly it escapes me.
Written by: Edward, 19 Sep 2009 2:50 AM
From: United States, Faux News: Unfair Imbalance
I'm not in Afghanistan anymore. I was adopted by a wealthy MILF from Nevada!
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
I predict more street children
Written by: Vivacuba, 20 Sep 2009 4:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
BIRTH CONTROL ABORTION FAMILY PLANNING CONDOMS ABSTINENCE MASTURBATION. Geewhiz, what a revelation. Get with the program people!!! pro-life is out of style and OUT OF DATE!
claudiapol, you live in a country which does just what you stated is neandrotholic in the D.R. How is one better than the other?
Written by: Pepe32, 22 Sep 2009 9:53 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Agreed Vivacuba,pro-death,pro murder and pro selfishness is much more in style than pro-life just like pro-slavery was once in style but that didn't make it right!
If killing innocents to "improve" yourselves and to cover up your lack of control is what defines modern then I don't want to be modern.We are quickly heading to the "virtues" promoted by Adolf Hitler's Third Reich with the devaluation of humanity and life and some see this as progress......well I say you are the true cavemen and women .Some of you were born into families that could barely afford you yet they raised you and nurtured you because you don't need money to give a child the most important thing in life ...love and with great sacrifice your parents worked to get you to the point you are today,of course your parents did not abort you !!
Written by: mrios, 22 Sep 2009 4:27 PM
From: United States
Pepe32,
Thanks....Selective Breeding the wave of the Future.
Edward,
Your one of the very few lucky ones.
VivaCuba,
I've been told in Cuba the Gov. has total control on how many Children a Couple has. Excuse me for asking.....were you one of the Lucky ones ?
Claudiapol,
"Child born against a Mother's will" At least you have the "GOOD SENSE" to one name that piece of flesh a "CHILD" and the use of the word "MOTHER" assuming she darned....missed a prior Abortion, or re-name that Woman X-MOTHER, FLESH CARRIER, SEXUAL MISTAKE.
Josean,
NEVER MIND !
Amber,
Always a pleasure, GREAT input.
The chosen few.
Woman already have control of their Bodies [control who goes IN & OUT]. Woman take charge....if you choose Sex be selective, choose a Rich Man to pay for a IUD,PILL,CONDOMS for that good time, therefore if you get careless and knocked-up at least you'll have "MEAN GREEN" "THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" to pay for your mistake.
I'M GLAD MY PARENTS DID BELIEVE IN ABO
Written by: josean, 22 Sep 2009 4:37 PM
From: United States
Written by: mrios, 22 Sep 2009 4:58 PM
From: United States
Josean,
Thanks....I'm on the "Late Freight".....again.
This stupidity is ruining too many young girls lives who do not get the chance to grow up because they make a mistake and get pregnant.
How about becoming an educated society and letting women have some control over their own bodies?
So if a man wants to father a child with a specific woman all he has to do is rape her and if she becomes pregnant they have a child and she has no say in it since there is no possibility of abortion.
Once again we look like complete fools to the civilized world.
in prostrating and kneeling to the demands of the modern day inquisitors, is shameful.
This violation of hard earned women's rights is despicable, and only abuses the rights of poor and disadvantaged pregnant women, who can not afford to escape the irresponsibility and life sentencing of the medieval fundamentalist religious zealots.
The Church won. The people lost.
If you don't like a law get involved to change the law ,don't attack those who don't agree with you and if the murder of millions of innocents due to the debauchery and carelessness of men and women is what characterizes the 21st century then I will gladly stay in the 20th or 19th!
No death penalty for anyone,whether they can speak for themselves or not.
MULLAH Nicolas De Jesus lopez Rodriguez has become The Supreme Ayatollah!
I dare the Lie-onelitas and the PLDers to say that "Eh Pa'Lante Que Vamos!"
And as far as the death penalty, when sticking to the conventional idea as opposed to this pro-life propaganda of it's usage, while I find it a step backward I can see it's uses for DR.
LILIAN FONDEUR
Ginecóloga dice que los congresistas no pensaron en las mujeres al votar por artículo 30
http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=115300
What if......
When will Men in the DR stop using Woman as a Sex toy, past time ?
When will the DR start Educating Young Ladies that their Bodies...are there Bodies ?
When will the DR Police enforce ALL RAPE LAWS especially YOUNG RAPE VICTIMS ?
When will the DR Gov. start teaching Young Children the proper way to do it ?
When will the DR Gov. pass out free Condoms & Contraceptives too all ?
When will the DR Gov. hold Men accountable for their actions ?
When will the DR Gov. make commercials about Sex and that it should be among two WILLING Responsible Adults ?
When will the DR Gov. advertise the DR as #1 "SEX ISLAND" I'm sure it will boost Tourism and Tax revenue.
Make no mistake about it legal or not Woman to this day in the DR are having Abortions and pay big bucks. Remember in the DR if you got DA BUCKS....Money talks, Doctors listen. OB/GYN is big business in the DR and many Developing Country's.
I could see the MINUS points now.
MULLAH Nicolas De Jesus lopez Rodriguez , The Supreme Ayatollah would never allow that!
Remember He is the Boss !
It is not the government's fault that we are becoming a nation of moral decadence. Each one of us has a moral and social responsibility of respecting human life at all stages and of teaching our children the true value of human life. The majority of children in the D.R. are not orphans, many just have very irresponsible parents. It is amazing to see all these children roaming the streets saying that they have no Dad because they are the product of a one-night stand. These women are just as guilty as these "dead fathers"
Lives should be protected, not destroyed
Your kidding right?
Again I'll repeat......
You claim to live in Mud Hut in Afghanistan, and you have the nerve to call us a Religious Freaks.
Are you Muslim ? if not living under those strict Muslim Religious Laws with no T.V, Bars, Discos, Street Chicks music and where Men Rule over Woman.
I GET IT NOW. At the least the Afghanistan Male is tough from a early age to Respect Woman, and SEX is strictly forbidden out of Wedlock.
The Female after Sex is then considered USED Property and either Stoned or vanished from the Family and labeled USED Property.
Good thing under Islamic Law POST ABORTIONS are still carried out after birth. After the individual breaks the Law, beheading, Being Shot, Hung and a little chopping here or there, minus the suction is what the Guilty pay for there crime.
While in Public...... Do not stare at the Berkas.
This is an imposition of a particular group’s beliefs on others, that can't be allowed if we are to develop a modern democracy.
I would refrain for calling anyone a freak, but I don’t refrain from pointing out they are WRONG!
EDUCACIÓN
Rector de la UASD: el sistema educativo dominicano carece de planificación y estrategia
http://www.noticiassin.com/www/?g....ay_article&aid=8802&tid=4
I'm talking about a personal choice, Freedom of choice CONSCIENCE not mans LAW that would serve Mans reinforcement of His own beliefs.
Abortions have been preformed 100 years ago and will continue to do so even if Article 30 is passed or rejected....Money talks Abortionist Doctors listen .
No one forces you to God, one comes to God willingly using an individuals freedom of choice and CONSCIENCE.
Good thing your Mother did not believe in Abortion, mine's didn't either. God does not force evil on Men, Man does it with out God.
No Democracy in History is perfect, a Country without God is doomed to fail.
I know that the rich doesn't do anything wrong, only those born in poverty.
I personally believe that abortion should not be used as a contraceptive, only in very rare cases and that is after weighing the pros and cons thoroughly
WalterPolo, No, the corporate communist republic of the USA is also joined at the hip with the church. The only death are to those condemmed by the criminal judges and intentionally misinformed juries. Babies live at the expense of poverty and no hope, while innocent people are placed on death row for decades.
I sure you were trying to make a point in your last post but frankly it escapes me.
claudiapol, you live in a country which does just what you stated is neandrotholic in the D.R. How is one better than the other?
If killing innocents to "improve" yourselves and to cover up your lack of control is what defines modern then I don't want to be modern.We are quickly heading to the "virtues" promoted by Adolf Hitler's Third Reich with the devaluation of humanity and life and some see this as progress......well I say you are the true cavemen and women .Some of you were born into families that could barely afford you yet they raised you and nurtured you because you don't need money to give a child the most important thing in life ...love and with great sacrifice your parents worked to get you to the point you are today,of course your parents did not abort you !!
Thanks....Selective Breeding the wave of the Future.
Edward,
Your one of the very few lucky ones.
VivaCuba,
I've been told in Cuba the Gov. has total control on how many Children a Couple has. Excuse me for asking.....were you one of the Lucky ones ?
Claudiapol,
"Child born against a Mother's will" At least you have the "GOOD SENSE" to one name that piece of flesh a "CHILD" and the use of the word "MOTHER" assuming she darned....missed a prior Abortion, or re-name that Woman X-MOTHER, FLESH CARRIER, SEXUAL MISTAKE.
Josean,
NEVER MIND !
Amber,
Always a pleasure, GREAT input.
The chosen few.
Woman already have control of their Bodies [control who goes IN & OUT]. Woman take charge....if you choose Sex be selective, choose a Rich Man to pay for a IUD,PILL,CONDOMS for that good time, therefore if you get careless and knocked-up at least you'll have "MEAN GREEN" "THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" to pay for your mistake.
I'M GLAD MY PARENTS DID BELIEVE IN ABO
Here is the future youand Mullah Nicky offer our girls after they are born:
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....of-minors-on-the-rise-in-Santiago
Thanks....I'm on the "Late Freight".....again.