Santo Domigo.– Two Dominican workers were seriously wounded after being shot Saturday as
they handed out aid in quake-stricken Haiti.
According to media reports, Carlos Gatas and Milton Matos arrived at the
Dominican embassy in Port-au-Prince with gunshot wounds
after an apparent attack.
Gatas' injuries were so serious that Dominican armed forces
evacuated him by helicopter to Jimani on the border with Haiti and then
on to Barahona, for medical treatment. Matos was treated at a building being used the UN peacekeeping force MINUSTAH, reports said.
Aid has been pouring into Haiti in the wake of Tuesday's massive 7.0
earthquake, but poor organization and the difficult logistical
situation has made it hard to get the relief out to the country's
desperate population.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
this should be an interesting thread today .......who will throw the first turd in the fan ?
From: United States
In what is for sure a tragic event, The last thing we should do is spew hate. Be proud to be a Dominican. With so much strife that has happened between the DR and Haiti, the response that we have given them rivals only the United States. Also, we HAVE to thank god, this could of easily happened to US. If it takes two people to be shot in order to show humanity and compassion, then so be it. God bless everyone.
Written by: Vivacuba, 17 Jan 2010 9:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Unfortunately, all it takes is one to ruin it for all. I guess this will be the end of that.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
The quality of respect for other people has improved markedly over the past week on this site so I do not think it is necessary to revert to any past racial or personal slurs and abuse .
Inevitably there will be Haitians desperate for food and maybe wanting also to store it for profit and it is unlikely that those handing the food out have name tags on them with their country of origin.
Written by: generoso, 17 Jan 2010 9:57 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
It is an unfortunate event, and most regrettable, our compatriots were in harm's way and were placing their lives at risk. They could have been killed by an aftershock as well, but I doubt that in this chaos they were singled out for being Dominicans.
They just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, the looters probably wanted to steal the aid, and it could have happened to any other nationalities as well.
The first in line, and first giving aid Dominican heroes being shot and wounded, demonstrate to the international community how committed we Dominicans are to help Haiti, and we do so not expecting any thanks, and even receiving slander, insults and now being shot at.
Let's not let this unfortunate incident steer the hate, for those that want to use this hate against us to create an international incident.
From: Germany, Stuttgart
Well, thank God that the two weren't killed. This is unfortunate. But I don't think anyone should rush to judgment. With Haiti truly being run by criminal organizations it doesn't surprise me that the bad apples are starting to show themselves in the wake of this tragedy. I wish there were more details to the story, but it wouldn't surprise me if these were common thugs trying to take what they want, versus Haitians responding to the generosity of their neighbors with violence. I'm sure in the months to come there will be all kinds of revelations about the chaos on the ground in Puerto Principe right now.
Written by: dagtan, 17 Jan 2010 10:28 AM
From: United States
I saw the breaking news last night and it was clearly indicated by the Dominican spokewoman that these two men are civilians and do not represent any Dominican agencies. they were flown to the Barahona hospital in critical condition.
Moreover, the person indicated that while they were distributing meals, a mini riot erupted and shot were fired. There were more than injured, but the not international personnel except the two Dominican that were within the crow at the time.
indeed, it is one of those, in the wring place and time. Moreover, it shows that Dominicans feel comfortable doing something that other international members dod not do, except for Americans and that is to get inside with the people of Haiti and not stay behind a fence.
These two brave souls had the option of staying behind the DR's embassy's gates, since the kitchen is located inside the gates for protection. Instead they wanted to get up close and personal with the people in need. I hope the WACOS do n
Written by: yumnuk3, 17 Jan 2010 10:30 AM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
Written by: dagtan, 17 Jan 2010 10:37 AM
From: United States
Boy, if she is a representation of our best to the international community, then we are in trouble.
Ms. Seliman, is "SEVERELY" not "SEVERAL", the first means critical injury, while the latter means many injuries.
Now, just bringing this up for the good of clarification, no harm intended.
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
Makeshift eatery line points need to be set up rather/instead of dropping food to the Haitian people like dogs for media sensational stigmatized news.
Written by: Pepe32, 17 Jan 2010 10:59 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Dag ,I agree it could have been better but our language is not English and not knowing English does not make someone less educated...I thinks that many of you in the US have a somewhat elitist attitude even when they come from the Ghetto and can barely speak English well yet somehow look down at people in DR.
Written by: generoso, 17 Jan 2010 11:00 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
dagtan
Mrs. Segia Elena Seligman is a Dominican politician (opposition party) running for congress, as well as a part time radio host for the afternoon program "El gobierno de la tarde".
She is part of a crew that is safely in the Dominican embassy, and maybe publicity hounding, trying to report the news to their very large audience emanating from this great tragedy.
The radio program in the AM "Gobierno de la mañana" and its sister program in the PM, "Gobierno de la tarde" are the highest rated radio news program in the DR with live audience participation.
The AM portion is considered to have a larger listening audience.
Sergia Helena is just one the many reporters that work there and not necessarily the most eloquent or outspoken, like Ms Consuelo Despradel who is most gifted orally, but does not speak English as fluently as Sergia Helena.
Written by: dagtan, 17 Jan 2010 11:54 AM
From: United States
Thanks, Generoso, so I ask, why did she presented herself as a governmental representative, if she is just aspiring to be one at this point? Can we just wait for better, more official sources to take this story seriously? why was she picked by this reported, did she presented to him as a government official?
It will be good to find out if she mislead this reporter to get some TV time and maybe even misreported the information which most likely was not a primary source since she is not working for the government.
Pepe32, I am not putting her down, I am simply saying that if she is representing our government to U.S. national TV audience, she could have written a mini report in order to eliminate any possibility of errors or misreporting due to the language barrier. I am fully aware of the language barrier, since i my self had to break it when I migrated and yes, Pepe32, i have an accent that is noticeable and I am proud of it because it keeps reminding me of who I am.
Written by: Grosero, 17 Jan 2010 11:55 AM
From: United States
bite the hand that feed you.....
just like a bad dog....
that's haiti.....sic
Written by: grocock, 17 Jan 2010 1:28 PM
From: United States
who shot them ????
From: United States
Haiti will never recover as long as these criminals are shielded by the governement so they can be used later one to carry out the governement dirty works.
.We should do like the Chinese do.
You get caught with a weapon : gun,machete,pocket knife, sling shot , box cutter, then you get shot and killed on spot,
You will see how quickly these stinking vultures will disappear .
From: Dominican Republic
Claro que si , etiennc01 !
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2010 2:11 PM
From: United States, NYC
Brave souls at the front. These two and any other injured trying to provide aid and assistance should be awarded a metal of honor for risking their lives in these most tragic of times. But Dominicans should continue to provide all the help they can muster to help Haiti in her great hour of need.
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2010 2:42 PM
From: United States, NYC
Domingo 17 de Enero del 2010, actualizado 2:04 PM
Pierre reconoce labor solidaria
Néstor Medrano - 1/17/2010
http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=128329Sonia Pierre
Santo Domingo.- La activista de los derechos humanos de los haitianos, Sonia Pierre, declaró que sin la ayuda de las autoridades y la solidaridad del pueblo dominicano, la tragedia que estremeció a Haití hubiese sido mayor.
Pierre, una crítica acérrima de supuestas violaciones en República Dominicana a los derechos de los haitianos inmigrantes, ayer reconoció que “si no hubiera sido por la ayuda que está llegando desde República Dominicana, la tragedia hubiera sido peor y el pueblo dominicano ha demostrado capacidad de solidaridad extraordinaria”.
From: Dominican Republic
This really shouldnt be a surprise now that the countrys most degenerate have been freed from thier cages and are free to roam at large , which leads me to believe it was a hate crime .
Written by: riosm, 17 Jan 2010 3:56 PM
From: United States
Again.......it's times like these that it's best I keep my mouth shut and........fingers off the key board.
Aside from the added negativity I still wish THE BEST FOR HAITI, MAY GOD BLESS HER PEOPLE.
From: Dominican Republic
Please do, because you obviously do not understand the difference between negativity and reality my friend !
From: United States, Brooklyn
It's only a matter of time before the Haitians start f.... things up... and the international community will be justified in leaving...
Written by: riosm, 17 Jan 2010 4:48 PM
From: United States
DominicanHeartBeat,
Sometimes things are better said unsaid. Besides this crime sounds to me like an act of criminal robbery threw desperation which should never go unpunished. You nor I was present when this crime occurred and are only gaining information from DT, In my opinion and from my understanding it's was not hate crime.
In Haiti's current situation the way I see it LOOTING, STEALING is not a hate crime, but in most cases an act of SURVIVAL.
With no power, law and order and the situation reaching desperate proportions one can expect more incidents of criminal acts such as the one in this article.
Written by: riosm, 17 Jan 2010 4:50 PM
From: United States
carlosFranco,
Well put...Let's hope not. Too much to be done.
From: United States, NJ (M_ S Cibaeno 100%)
Written by: riosm, 17 Jan 2010 5:00 PM
From: United States
MS_Jersey,
THANK YOU.....
I've heard that the Prez. of Haiti is not to happy [FELLS LEFT OUT] with the way the world is handling Aide.....in other words he would like a little more control in distribution food, medical, water etc..etc.. ........the things that make you go HUMMM !
I can only hope not more of the same old pre Haiti earthquake mumbo jumbo GOD I HOPE NOT.
From: Canada, Montreal
@Etiennc Agree, Why in those situation what the heck you need a machete and a gun ? Well if I was those people I would be calm because pere lebrun is never to far..
From: Dominican Republic
This man is truly a cowardly butt puppett . He SKIPS THE SCENE during his countrys most desperate moment and hides under Leonels skirt while his people are grasping for water and air under piles of rock and rubbish . And now he wants more control of the piggy bank ? That reminds me of a guy in the bible named Judas . HHHHHUUUUUMMM !
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
by fat the best coverage of this tragedy is from the BBC ,if you like your news free of bias and sensationalism ... and it does not offer gratuitous advice or get involved with petty issues ..just tells the story as it is .
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2010 6:53 PM
From: United States, NYC
Puerto Príncipe.- “A cualquier lugar pero lejos de la ciudad”, repite Talulum Saint Fils, mientras aguarda que un autobús cargado de pasajeros la saque junto a su marido y sus cuatro hijos de Puerto Príncipe, donde el sismo del martes destrozó su casa y les convirtió en vagabundos.
Desde hace dos días, miles de damnificados por el terremoto huyen de la capital. Cansados de dormir en la calle, temerosos de que “la tierra vuelva a temblar” o de que les intenten robar lo poco que les queda, numerosas familias decidieron recurrir a parientes que viven en otras provincias menos afectadas por el sismo.
“Las calles huelen a muerto, no tenemos ningún tipo de ayuda y nuestros niños no pueden vivir como animales”, afirma esta madre de familia.
La familia Saint Fils ha pagado 400 ‘gourdes’ (10 dólares) por cada pasaje cuando el precio normal es la mitad. Vendieron joyas para pagar este billete, sólo de ida. “Me gustaría volver y reconstruir nuestra casa, pero ¿con qué dinero?”
Written by: riosm, 17 Jan 2010 8:19 PM
From: United States
DominicanHeartbeat,
Your right HUMM ! what if the Haitian Prez. finds out the only three People he really cares and represents are.......Me, Myself and I ?
the BILLION DOLLAR question is..........what has "Da Prez." done with the Millions + already donated by the world to help Haiti in the last 10 years ?
Sounds like when this is all over our Brothers the Haitians should vote a new Prez.
Haitian New Years resolution....OUT WITH THE OLD AND USELESS...IN WITH THE NEW.
I'm heart broken to see the Haitian Prez. rekindle hugs and pledges of support from the UN, as always the UN a little to late, and to think the UN was present before and after the quake. Meanwhile our Brothers to the west continue to suffer.
Thank GOD the U.S of A took a leadership role in the Haitian aide.
VivaCuba, Abc,123-200 and all those others,
Now what do think of the evil US Empire.......with 2 wars and an uncertain economic future thanks to OOOH'Blama.
From: United States
carlosfranco
each time you type an ignorant and heartless comment you justify your nickname : apocalypse zombie.
Does not that surprise you that you ,the lunatic drug addict and pizza gobbler rush limp-baugh. and the sadistic religious comedian pat robertson and the only ones still raging a vendetta against Haiti
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
My heart goes out to these fine souls and their families. We are greatfull for for all you are doing for us at our darkest hour. On another note out of the AP today 2 bandits who were on a looting rampage met their fate. The population in the Delmas neighbourhood had it with their antics ,street justice was handed out to them. Their were supposed to be two criminals who escaped from the National jail.
Written by: Sajomero, 17 Jan 2010 9:48 PM
From: United States, Del primer Santiago de America....y el mejor!!!
One of those two Dominican gentlemen has passed away due to the injuries the mob gave him. This is really sad and really sucks that these two men left the confort of their homes and country to help out the needy, only to be beaten up.
Written by: anthonyC, 17 Jan 2010 10:47 PM
From: United States
Written by: Ricardolito, 17 Jan 2010 6:10 PM
"by fat the best coverage of this tragedy is from the BBC ,if you like your news free of bias and sensationalism ... and it does not offer gratuitous advice or get involved with petty issues ..just tells the story as it is ."
Ricardito,
Put down the Bong and smell the coffee..........BBC free of bias and sensationalism? HAHAHAHA
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
I would not be too harsh on the President or his cabinet at present ...they have very few administrative staff working and the President is working from a half destroyed police station and had his meeting with ministers outside on plastic chairs ..
Currently ,it is reported that about 4000 prisoners and running loose and some are reported to be dangerous so that adds to the problems.
Nor would I attack the UN in any way ..they have had more deaths here in this tragedy than anywhere else before and have no offices or equipment . They have about 7000 UN troops there , the most being from Brazil who are directly giving aid to their people.
It is impossible to pass any judgment on any one when there is virtually no government administration functioning at present .
Written by: antonioj, 18 Jan 2010 12:11 AM
From: Canada, home safe
Written by: Atabey, 18 Jan 2010 12:52 AM
From: United States, NYC
Check out this article from the NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/17....rebuildhaiti.html?ref=global-homeEight Ways to Rebuild Haiti
Concrete Solutions
By JOHN McASLAN
An internationally financed rebuilding effort should take a longer view of Haiti’s future, supporting a gradual, well-thought-out physical transformation.
Squatters’ Rights
By ROBERT NEUWIRTH
With hundreds of thousands of Haitians turned into refugees in their own hometown, a few sensible squatter principles may help the devastated residents.
Skip the Graft
By JAMES DOBBINS
Haiti’s institutions need to be rebuilt as well as its buildings, with fundamental reform of inefficient and corrupt systems.
Written by: Atabey, 18 Jan 2010 12:53 AM
From: United States, NYC
Learn From Postwar Tokyo
By MATIAS ECHANOVE and RAHUL SRIVASTAVA
As we consider how to rebuild Port-au-Prince, we can find an alternative to the usual top-down redevelopment model in postwar Tokyo.
A Recovery Built on Water
By STEVEN SOLOMON
In rebuilding Haiti’s water systems, it is imperative to focus on simple and affordable local projects that communities can take responsibility for.
Easy Money
By DAN SENOR
A discretionary fund that American military officers can dip into for development projects and crisis responses should be expanded to Haiti.
Guantánamo to the Rescue
By JONATHAN M. HANSEN
Just 200 miles from Port-au-Prince, the United States naval base at Guantánamo Bay should be used as the base for humanitarian intervention.
Keep the Economy Underground
By SUDHIR VENKATESH
Countries aiding Haiti must be careful not to drum out the positives of informal development.
Written by: antonioj, 18 Jan 2010 2:16 AM
From: Canada, home safe
Morocco $1 million Netherlands $2.89 million New Zealand $719,942
Norway $4.9 million Poland $1.08 million Russia $700,000 Singapore $50,000
Slovenia $72,150 South Africa $133,333 South Korea $1 million Spain $4.3 million
Sweden $18.1 million Switzerland $1.9 million Taiwan $5 million Thailand $20,000
United States $100 million
Written by: antonioj, 18 Jan 2010 2:16 AM
From: Canada, home safe
List of countries that have pledged aid funds to Haiti
First Posted 05:20:00 01/18/2010
GENEVA – Here is a list of countries which have pledged emergency relief funds for Haiti as of Sunday, according to data on the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs' website.
Some of these countries and others not on this list have sent aid in other forms, such as search and rescue teams or supplies.
Australia $8.99 million Belgium $651,876 Brazil $15.5 million Britain $10.17 million
Cambodia $50,000 Canada $53.66 million China $5.4 million Colombia $50,000
Czech Republic $288,600 Denmark $7.4 million Estonia $323,232
European Commission $4.3 million Finland $1.8 million Germany $3.46 million
Greece $290,000 Grenada $100,000 Guyana $1 million bIceland $55,000
India $1 million Indonesia $1 million Ireland $360,750 Italy $1.6 million
Japan $5.3 million Luxembourg $722,900 Luxembourg $722,900 Mexico $8 million
Monaco $72,150 Morocco $1 million Netherlands $2.89 million
Written by: kmnupe, 18 Jan 2010 3:23 AM
From: United States, NYC
I'm saddened to hear that people who find it in their hearts to help out are subjected to wanton violence.
Please do not hold the Haitian people accountable for the crimes of a few people "who appear to have no mothers".
Peace.
Written by: Trujillo, 18 Jan 2010 3:41 AM
From: Dominican Republic
What happened in Haiti is tragedy and I'm glad the DR is helping, but this tragedy doesn't make us "brothers" as all the DR media is spewing all of a sudden. It's sad that this had to happen in order for the world to notice and care, or at least act like they care about Haiti again. Hopefully this time Haiti really gets the help it needs. My heart goes out to Haiti and the victims of this quake.
From: Dominican Republic, Cabarete
Written by: BASTA, 18 Jan 2010 7:15 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
OH my no one mentions the 4 gangs that rule in PP.
Written by: xwill7, 18 Jan 2010 10:46 AM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
All aid workers must have a security guard... Just like all ATM machines in Santiago
Written by: riosm, 18 Jan 2010 11:22 AM
From: United States
AnthonyJ,
Thank you for your posting. I know you forgot to add Cuba & Venezuela, we'll call it an error.
NEWS FLASH....
That embrace between the Haitian Prez. and Moon some how resulted in bringing in more UN troops into Haiti, sounds to me like no dough more support for his total control of aide distribution to the Haitian People ?
And to think no one is asking where's the Millions plus already donated by the world prior to this disaster.
I say..............PROSECUTE THE HAITIAN PREZ.
HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE in a World Court for corruption.
"The UN always too little, too late". When will we learn ? What ever happened to TRACK RECORD ?
I can only hope the Haitian People who for the last 70 years have suffered only to have such a catastrophe added.
I hope this event by no means slows down the badly needed aide to her People.
Xwill7,
If security is needed badly for aide distribution, I say .......SO BE IT.
more coming.....
Written by: riosm, 18 Jan 2010 11:35 AM
From: United States
The last time I was in the DR 2 years ago I meet a squad of Brazilian troops who were on R&R in a Juan Dolio resort.
I asked one of the Sgt's what good was coming of the Brazilian aide to Haiti.......
His answer was......No matter how much we try the UN control was always slowing down ans interfering in our progress in Haiti.
I still have pictures I took of the Brazilian Troops playing soccer on the beach.
One has to ask why has the in a sense the US taken control of aide operations in Haiti not the UN ? after all the UN presence was there before the Quake.
To ALL
Please continue to support THE HAITIAN HUMANITARIAN AIDE TO THE PEOPLE OF HAITI.
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
ATABEY
I think people like sonia pierre and the rest of the afro-lambones like josean will be out of business for a long time now that their agenda of difamation, calumny, vilification and slander has been destroyed by the downpour of love by dominican from DR and abroad towards the haitian people.
If only it was her getting shot in haiti while distributing food and water for her people, I guess she's not ready to make the ultimate sacrifice like those two brave real dominicans who paid a high price for their unselfish concern for the welfare of others.
From: United States
With respect to the two Dominican compatriots shot in Haiti, we have to realize that a prison crumbled during the earthquake and all the prisoners escaped in Port-Au-Prince. Among them were criminal elements who were part of gangs before being jailed. Now they are again at work preying on innocents be they Haitians, Dominicans or any other nationality. I firmly condemn such acts. We appreciate People-to-People Solidarity. It seems that the U.S. military, with their control of all Haiti's ports, is trying to block such solidarity. That is immoral. That's wrong. Regardless, the Dominican and Haitian masses must stand together now and forever.
Written by: riosm, 18 Jan 2010 12:04 PM
From: United States
Caonabohayti,
Thank you for bringing us back to Earth and reality.
From: Germany, Stuttgart
Rioism,
Why shouldn't the U.S. control the mission there on the ground? Its not like the UN has shown the aptitude to manage the situation there prior to the earthquake. And following the tragedy it was reported that a number of their personnel were killed/injured. Someone has to take the lead. Who is a better candidate? The Haitian government?
From: Dominican Republic
Negro, The new Haitian Government has taken the lead and control . Its called the United states of America .
From: Germany, Stuttgart
Hey, HeartBeat....we could always let Cuba do it. Raul is doing a bang up job with his own nation. I figure that would be something that your idealistic mind could tolerate being that you're a huge Cuban fan.
From: Germany, Stuttgart
Heartbeat,
Just curious......I only hear criticism coming from you. Aside from your love crush with Cuba you seem like a pretty smart guy. Why aren't you offering any positive thoughts on this whole tragedy? All I hear is negative U.S. bashing spin. Nothing constructive.
From: Dominican Republic
Time to go to school again Neg.
Dont you know that the Cuban situation is what it is in part because Castro threw the capitalist out. At that time, Castro and Che decided to stand up instead of kiss up and sell out to U.S intrests so Kennedy said were taking our ball and going home . Let me ask you this . The D.R has freedom and maybe more foriegn investment happening than any other Carribean country and 85% of its people are still dirt poor with nothing more than the freedom to bitch about it . Why ? When the U.S had Cuba as its little nelly the majority of the countrys poor stayed poor save for the ones that had the cash to get on the first rafts out of Havanna . Now, if history repeats itself , do you really believe that the Haitian people (with the exception of the rich elite) are going to be any better off than they were before this quake if the country ever recovers ? Most Dominicans (and Im not Dominican) would probably say no.
From: Dominican Republic
Case in point negro . As we debate, the local news here in Miami is making big waves about accusations that one of Haitis most elite ,Mr. Wycliffe Jean has been playing with pennies IN the charity box''for his relief foundation . AHHHHH, THE RICH WILL GET RICHER AND THE POOR WILL KEEP GETTING @#%*ED INTHE EAR. BTW, with Haitians like that , who needs the U.S government ?
From: Germany, Stuttgart
Hey, I don't know Wyclef personally, and I've never heard about his own charity. I do know he is a spokesman for the International Red Cross. I do know that he and his wife are on the streets of Puerto Principe picking up corpses. They were interviewed live on the street a couple of days ago. If he's doing something criminal then he should be punished for it.
But speaking of criminal..... Did you know the Cuban government, aka The State-owned Enterprise of Raul, stopped providing the nation's workforce with free lunches and instead gives them 15 pesos to go find their own lunch. The promises of Communism.....the promises of the Bearded One. I just thought you may find that interesting.
Written by: Atabey, 18 Jan 2010 1:49 PM
From: United States, NYC
NegroDeLaBachata,
Your points are well taken. Dominicanheartbeat sounds strangely similar to our own Josean. The
USA can not do any good, and Lie-nel as he refers to the DR's president is a no good for nothing
puppet that only brings the goods to his people and nothings for the poor. Of course, everything
would be good if only we had a dominican Chavez or Castro directing things.
From: Dominican Republic
I know all about it . I live amongst the larget population of Cubans in America with close Cuban friends as well as having been there once myself just 3 years ago but I am not Cuban nor do I support the Castros or the type of socialism that they sell thier people .They are ruthless no good bastards for sure . For The record, Communism and Socialism have very good points to them as does capitalism , but the problem is the evil that lurks behind the curtains who pull the strings and drive the machine . Try marrying these systems without TYRANNICAL DICTATOR that cared about his people and the results would be different . BTW, america has always been part socialist and is becoming ever so more by the day . What the hell do you call SOCIAL SECURITY and welfare and unemployment as well as hidden cameras on every highway in the country . Big brother is watching you more here than he is in Cuba.
From: Germany, Stuttgart
Heartbeat,
The U.S. government has never kicked in my door regarding something I wrote on the internet. Got a shocker for you..... They do that kind of stuff in Cuba. Just ask Joani (
http://www.desdecuba.com/generationy/). And if you say some crazy freedom of speachish *ish in Venezuela, your boy Hugo will shut your *ish down. Kind of like those radio stations in shut down in mass this past summer.
Spin it Heartbeat, spin it.
Written by: Vivacuba, 18 Jan 2010 2:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic
NegroDeLaBachata,, Get a clue. The US Government sucks and you won;t have to worry about those criminals banging in your door because they are about to take your free internet AWAY from you before you know it pal. China style censorship is coming to the USA and faster than you even know.
From: Dominican Republic
And you think Obamas in bed with Chavez and Castro and other leftist regimes for no reason ? My friend , your Aunt matildas lunch pale constitution will be re-written before 2020 and your dear President is leading that parade on capital hill as well . Unlike Bush , Obama is smart enough to know that even the one time soveriegn super power u.s of a , cannot survive or go it alone in a global economy . Obama knows that Americans must swallow our pride and realize that we are now as dependant on the prosperity of other nations as they are us and if were going to survive the next decade we need to be '' united'' and at peace with as many countries as possible.
Written by: riosm, 18 Jan 2010 2:12 PM
From: United States
DominicanHeartBeat,
That's because Castro can't afford it in his failed controlled fortress Island Paradise. As the saying goes "No man is a Island" or is he ?
VivaCuba,
Never mind.......
From: Dominican Republic
Ya gotta love the Viva man ! lol
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
I have not hear Sonia Pierre going to Haiti to help her people!!!
Where in the world is Sonia Pierre? Why isn't she in Haiti supporting the people she claim to be advocateing for?? Of I forgot she must remain here in DR so she could advocate for the border to open up?
Written by: Sajomero, 18 Jan 2010 4:03 PM
From: United States, Del primer Santiago de America....y el mejor!!!
Popon as I always stated on this forum before, Sonia Pie is just a big time opportunist, a blood sucker. In a time like this when so many Haitians are in DR hospitals, many all alone and not able to communicate in Spanish, people like her should be the first ones there helping them out. Instead she is in the confort of her ONG sponsored residence with food, electricity, water and internet. We should all keep notice of this and next time she crawls from under her rock let her have it.
From: Germany, Stuttgart
Vivacuba,
Have a seat on the sideline por favor. Really.
I trade virtual jabs with Heartbeat in part because I think he's throwing out senseless spin and I simply want to defend my country. He also raises some good points of discussion. More than what I give him credit for. But I also go back and forth with him because Heartbeat actually makes intelligent comments. Most of the time he makes points from which we can move forward with discussion. Your "The US government sucks," does not qualify as an intelligent comment. So, again, please, take five, sip a coke, snap into a slim jim and consider your future comments. "The US government sucks" just doesn't cut it around these parts.
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
Sajamonero, you are absolutely right, Sonia Pierre is an opportunist and blood sucker.
It has being about a week since this quake and she had enough time to go to Haiti and show her solidarity with her people.
If the earth quake was in DR she would have being on the front page defaming and accusing our people of not helping Haitians get help.
Sonia Pierre has showed her true face, she is not an altruist person.
Written by: Pepe32, 19 Jan 2010 11:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic
We can all agree on one thing...please vote down the spammers!!!
Written by: jupit, 29 Nov 2010 3:15 PM
From: Albania
It seems that the U.S. military, with their control of all Haiti's ports, is trying to block such solidarity. That is immoral. That's wrong. Regardless, the Dominican and Haitian masses must stand together now and forever.
http://www.realtorrentz.comWritten by: riosm, 29 Nov 2010 3:38 PM
From: United States
Jupit,
More like the U.S is safe guarding the Haitian ports from a total Haitian chaos.
The U.S trying to block solidarity between the DR & Haiti ?
Where's the UN when you need'um ?
The UN "Always too little, too late".
Remember the Haitians and Dominicans will never in my opinion stand together on any one issue.
Haiti the nanny state of the world ? Haitians need to start re-building Haiti or nothing will change.
Written by: Vivacuba, 2 Dec 2010 3:36 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Negro, he was being nice with the understatement "the US Govt sucks". Defend your country? Please. It is not your country anymore. It was stolen from you fool.
Written by: riosm, 2 Dec 2010 1:28 PM
From: United States
I wonder who stole Cuba from the Cubans ?
"It's not your Country anymore" Who's defending Cuba ?
Funny most who favor, support and brag about Cuba don't live in Cuba, I can only wonder why ?
Funny mostly all who hate the U.S have never lived in the U.S, why ?
I also wonder when the next man made / natural catastrophy hits who's gonna suck what ?
Written by: Vivacuba, 3 Dec 2010 1:43 AM
From: Dominican Republic
The american government has attempted to steal cuba from the cubans for decades via ongoing failed sanctions and illegal inhumane UN resolutions. Mostly all who love the U.S. have never left the U.S. Those very few who have left the camp continue to awaken daily. With regard to catastrophes, HAARP knows no boundaries, so walk softly.
Written by: riosm, 3 Dec 2010 2:00 PM
From: United States
"American Gov. attemped to steal Cuba from the Cubans" ?
More like to stop the tide of communisum.
"U.S Failed sactions" ?
Cuba is better off....why complain ? I understand Cuba has great trade relations with other Countrys.
Castro won, what ?
The Cuban people lost everything to include their total freedom.
"Illegal inhuman UN resolutions" ?
Take that up with the UN.
How about the Cuban Gov. Inhuman treatment of Cubans.
"Those who love the U.S".
Still live in the U.S....by choice, and leave by choice. Yet still thousands flock to the U.S for a better life, freedom & future.
U.S borders are meant to keep people out....not in.
How many illegals are in Cuba ?
That's what the Cuban people have been told [propaganda] for decades, more like a one sided story.
What if......the Cuban people had U.S style Contitutional rights ?
You'll them have that GOD given right / freedom to know the differance.
Written by: riosm, 3 Dec 2010 2:17 PM
From: United States
Imarion,
I believe those issues are best left with the Haitian Government.
As I stated in the past I have Haitian friends both in the US and the DR.
HAITIANS MUST RE-BUILD HAITI, and until that happens nothing will change.
The million dollar question is....at what point will the Haitians realize this.....an example of not learning from history ? only to be repeated over and over again.
You post from Argentina, I understand....with their perfect Spanish and proud Euro roots....how many Haitians live there ?
How many Argentinians love people of color ?
Hate is....everywhere.
Inevitably there will be Haitians desperate for food and maybe wanting also to store it for profit and it is unlikely that those handing the food out have name tags on them with their country of origin.
They just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, the looters probably wanted to steal the aid, and it could have happened to any other nationalities as well.
The first in line, and first giving aid Dominican heroes being shot and wounded, demonstrate to the international community how committed we Dominicans are to help Haiti, and we do so not expecting any thanks, and even receiving slander, insults and now being shot at.
Let's not let this unfortunate incident steer the hate, for those that want to use this hate against us to create an international incident.
Moreover, the person indicated that while they were distributing meals, a mini riot erupted and shot were fired. There were more than injured, but the not international personnel except the two Dominican that were within the crow at the time.
indeed, it is one of those, in the wring place and time. Moreover, it shows that Dominicans feel comfortable doing something that other international members dod not do, except for Americans and that is to get inside with the people of Haiti and not stay behind a fence.
These two brave souls had the option of staying behind the DR's embassy's gates, since the kitchen is located inside the gates for protection. Instead they wanted to get up close and personal with the people in need. I hope the WACOS do n
WNBC's Tom Llamas talks with Sergia Seliman of the Dominican Republic Communications Department about a shooting in Haiti involving two relief workers.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/34899251#34899251
Ms. Seliman, is "SEVERELY" not "SEVERAL", the first means critical injury, while the latter means many injuries.
Now, just bringing this up for the good of clarification, no harm intended.
Makeshift eatery line points need to be set up rather/instead of dropping food to the Haitian people like dogs for media sensational stigmatized news.
Mrs. Segia Elena Seligman is a Dominican politician (opposition party) running for congress, as well as a part time radio host for the afternoon program "El gobierno de la tarde".
She is part of a crew that is safely in the Dominican embassy, and maybe publicity hounding, trying to report the news to their very large audience emanating from this great tragedy.
The radio program in the AM "Gobierno de la mañana" and its sister program in the PM, "Gobierno de la tarde" are the highest rated radio news program in the DR with live audience participation.
The AM portion is considered to have a larger listening audience.
Sergia Helena is just one the many reporters that work there and not necessarily the most eloquent or outspoken, like Ms Consuelo Despradel who is most gifted orally, but does not speak English as fluently as Sergia Helena.
It will be good to find out if she mislead this reporter to get some TV time and maybe even misreported the information which most likely was not a primary source since she is not working for the government.
Pepe32, I am not putting her down, I am simply saying that if she is representing our government to U.S. national TV audience, she could have written a mini report in order to eliminate any possibility of errors or misreporting due to the language barrier. I am fully aware of the language barrier, since i my self had to break it when I migrated and yes, Pepe32, i have an accent that is noticeable and I am proud of it because it keeps reminding me of who I am.
just like a bad dog....
that's haiti.....sic
.We should do like the Chinese do.
You get caught with a weapon : gun,machete,pocket knife, sling shot , box cutter, then you get shot and killed on spot,
You will see how quickly these stinking vultures will disappear .
Pierre reconoce labor solidaria
Néstor Medrano - 1/17/2010
http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=128329
Sonia Pierre
Santo Domingo.- La activista de los derechos humanos de los haitianos, Sonia Pierre, declaró que sin la ayuda de las autoridades y la solidaridad del pueblo dominicano, la tragedia que estremeció a Haití hubiese sido mayor.
Pierre, una crítica acérrima de supuestas violaciones en República Dominicana a los derechos de los haitianos inmigrantes, ayer reconoció que “si no hubiera sido por la ayuda que está llegando desde República Dominicana, la tragedia hubiera sido peor y el pueblo dominicano ha demostrado capacidad de solidaridad extraordinaria”.
Aside from the added negativity I still wish THE BEST FOR HAITI, MAY GOD BLESS HER PEOPLE.
It's only a matter of time before the Haitians start f.... things up... and the international community will be justified in leaving...
Sometimes things are better said unsaid. Besides this crime sounds to me like an act of criminal robbery threw desperation which should never go unpunished. You nor I was present when this crime occurred and are only gaining information from DT, In my opinion and from my understanding it's was not hate crime.
In Haiti's current situation the way I see it LOOTING, STEALING is not a hate crime, but in most cases an act of SURVIVAL.
With no power, law and order and the situation reaching desperate proportions one can expect more incidents of criminal acts such as the one in this article.
Well put...Let's hope not. Too much to be done.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-....e/2010/01/15/AR2010011504024.html
Check this out. Cuando el rio suena, you know the rest.
THANK YOU.....
I've heard that the Prez. of Haiti is not to happy [FELLS LEFT OUT] with the way the world is handling Aide.....in other words he would like a little more control in distribution food, medical, water etc..etc.. ........the things that make you go HUMMM !
I can only hope not more of the same old pre Haiti earthquake mumbo jumbo GOD I HOPE NOT.
Puerto Príncipe.- “A cualquier lugar pero lejos de la ciudad”, repite Talulum Saint Fils, mientras aguarda que un autobús cargado de pasajeros la saque junto a su marido y sus cuatro hijos de Puerto Príncipe, donde el sismo del martes destrozó su casa y les convirtió en vagabundos.
Desde hace dos días, miles de damnificados por el terremoto huyen de la capital. Cansados de dormir en la calle, temerosos de que “la tierra vuelva a temblar” o de que les intenten robar lo poco que les queda, numerosas familias decidieron recurrir a parientes que viven en otras provincias menos afectadas por el sismo.
“Las calles huelen a muerto, no tenemos ningún tipo de ayuda y nuestros niños no pueden vivir como animales”, afirma esta madre de familia.
La familia Saint Fils ha pagado 400 ‘gourdes’ (10 dólares) por cada pasaje cuando el precio normal es la mitad. Vendieron joyas para pagar este billete, sólo de ida. “Me gustaría volver y reconstruir nuestra casa, pero ¿con qué dinero?”
Your right HUMM ! what if the Haitian Prez. finds out the only three People he really cares and represents are.......Me, Myself and I ?
the BILLION DOLLAR question is..........what has "Da Prez." done with the Millions + already donated by the world to help Haiti in the last 10 years ?
Sounds like when this is all over our Brothers the Haitians should vote a new Prez.
Haitian New Years resolution....OUT WITH THE OLD AND USELESS...IN WITH THE NEW.
I'm heart broken to see the Haitian Prez. rekindle hugs and pledges of support from the UN, as always the UN a little to late, and to think the UN was present before and after the quake. Meanwhile our Brothers to the west continue to suffer.
Thank GOD the U.S of A took a leadership role in the Haitian aide.
VivaCuba, Abc,123-200 and all those others,
Now what do think of the evil US Empire.......with 2 wars and an uncertain economic future thanks to OOOH'Blama.
each time you type an ignorant and heartless comment you justify your nickname : apocalypse zombie.
Does not that surprise you that you ,the lunatic drug addict and pizza gobbler rush limp-baugh. and the sadistic religious comedian pat robertson and the only ones still raging a vendetta against Haiti
"by fat the best coverage of this tragedy is from the BBC ,if you like your news free of bias and sensationalism ... and it does not offer gratuitous advice or get involved with petty issues ..just tells the story as it is ."
Ricardito,
Put down the Bong and smell the coffee..........BBC free of bias and sensationalism? HAHAHAHA
Currently ,it is reported that about 4000 prisoners and running loose and some are reported to be dangerous so that adds to the problems.
Nor would I attack the UN in any way ..they have had more deaths here in this tragedy than anywhere else before and have no offices or equipment . They have about 7000 UN troops there , the most being from Brazil who are directly giving aid to their people.
It is impossible to pass any judgment on any one when there is virtually no government administration functioning at present .
http://www.haitian-truth.org/flas....-step-down-as-president-of-haiti/
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/17....rebuildhaiti.html?ref=global-home
Eight Ways to Rebuild Haiti
Concrete Solutions
By JOHN McASLAN
An internationally financed rebuilding effort should take a longer view of Haiti’s future, supporting a gradual, well-thought-out physical transformation.
Squatters’ Rights
By ROBERT NEUWIRTH
With hundreds of thousands of Haitians turned into refugees in their own hometown, a few sensible squatter principles may help the devastated residents.
Skip the Graft
By JAMES DOBBINS
Haiti’s institutions need to be rebuilt as well as its buildings, with fundamental reform of inefficient and corrupt systems.
By MATIAS ECHANOVE and RAHUL SRIVASTAVA
As we consider how to rebuild Port-au-Prince, we can find an alternative to the usual top-down redevelopment model in postwar Tokyo.
A Recovery Built on Water
By STEVEN SOLOMON
In rebuilding Haiti’s water systems, it is imperative to focus on simple and affordable local projects that communities can take responsibility for.
Easy Money
By DAN SENOR
A discretionary fund that American military officers can dip into for development projects and crisis responses should be expanded to Haiti.
Guantánamo to the Rescue
By JONATHAN M. HANSEN
Just 200 miles from Port-au-Prince, the United States naval base at Guantánamo Bay should be used as the base for humanitarian intervention.
Keep the Economy Underground
By SUDHIR VENKATESH
Countries aiding Haiti must be careful not to drum out the positives of informal development.
Norway $4.9 million Poland $1.08 million Russia $700,000 Singapore $50,000
Slovenia $72,150 South Africa $133,333 South Korea $1 million Spain $4.3 million
Sweden $18.1 million Switzerland $1.9 million Taiwan $5 million Thailand $20,000
United States $100 million
First Posted 05:20:00 01/18/2010
GENEVA – Here is a list of countries which have pledged emergency relief funds for Haiti as of Sunday, according to data on the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs' website.
Some of these countries and others not on this list have sent aid in other forms, such as search and rescue teams or supplies.
Australia $8.99 million Belgium $651,876 Brazil $15.5 million Britain $10.17 million
Cambodia $50,000 Canada $53.66 million China $5.4 million Colombia $50,000
Czech Republic $288,600 Denmark $7.4 million Estonia $323,232
European Commission $4.3 million Finland $1.8 million Germany $3.46 million
Greece $290,000 Grenada $100,000 Guyana $1 million bIceland $55,000
India $1 million Indonesia $1 million Ireland $360,750 Italy $1.6 million
Japan $5.3 million Luxembourg $722,900 Luxembourg $722,900 Mexico $8 million
Monaco $72,150 Morocco $1 million Netherlands $2.89 million
Please do not hold the Haitian people accountable for the crimes of a few people "who appear to have no mothers".
Peace.
http://mipagina.univision.com/afrolatino/blog/?pref_tab=blog
Thank you for your posting. I know you forgot to add Cuba & Venezuela, we'll call it an error.
NEWS FLASH....
That embrace between the Haitian Prez. and Moon some how resulted in bringing in more UN troops into Haiti, sounds to me like no dough more support for his total control of aide distribution to the Haitian People ?
And to think no one is asking where's the Millions plus already donated by the world prior to this disaster.
I say..............PROSECUTE THE HAITIAN PREZ.
HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE in a World Court for corruption.
"The UN always too little, too late". When will we learn ? What ever happened to TRACK RECORD ?
I can only hope the Haitian People who for the last 70 years have suffered only to have such a catastrophe added.
I hope this event by no means slows down the badly needed aide to her People.
Xwill7,
If security is needed badly for aide distribution, I say .......SO BE IT.
more coming.....
I asked one of the Sgt's what good was coming of the Brazilian aide to Haiti.......
His answer was......No matter how much we try the UN control was always slowing down ans interfering in our progress in Haiti.
I still have pictures I took of the Brazilian Troops playing soccer on the beach.
One has to ask why has the in a sense the US taken control of aide operations in Haiti not the UN ? after all the UN presence was there before the Quake.
To ALL
Please continue to support THE HAITIAN HUMANITARIAN AIDE TO THE PEOPLE OF HAITI.
ATABEY
I think people like sonia pierre and the rest of the afro-lambones like josean will be out of business for a long time now that their agenda of difamation, calumny, vilification and slander has been destroyed by the downpour of love by dominican from DR and abroad towards the haitian people.
If only it was her getting shot in haiti while distributing food and water for her people, I guess she's not ready to make the ultimate sacrifice like those two brave real dominicans who paid a high price for their unselfish concern for the welfare of others.
Thank you for bringing us back to Earth and reality.
Why shouldn't the U.S. control the mission there on the ground? Its not like the UN has shown the aptitude to manage the situation there prior to the earthquake. And following the tragedy it was reported that a number of their personnel were killed/injured. Someone has to take the lead. Who is a better candidate? The Haitian government?
Just curious......I only hear criticism coming from you. Aside from your love crush with Cuba you seem like a pretty smart guy. Why aren't you offering any positive thoughts on this whole tragedy? All I hear is negative U.S. bashing spin. Nothing constructive.
Dont you know that the Cuban situation is what it is in part because Castro threw the capitalist out. At that time, Castro and Che decided to stand up instead of kiss up and sell out to U.S intrests so Kennedy said were taking our ball and going home . Let me ask you this . The D.R has freedom and maybe more foriegn investment happening than any other Carribean country and 85% of its people are still dirt poor with nothing more than the freedom to bitch about it . Why ? When the U.S had Cuba as its little nelly the majority of the countrys poor stayed poor save for the ones that had the cash to get on the first rafts out of Havanna . Now, if history repeats itself , do you really believe that the Haitian people (with the exception of the rich elite) are going to be any better off than they were before this quake if the country ever recovers ? Most Dominicans (and Im not Dominican) would probably say no.
But speaking of criminal..... Did you know the Cuban government, aka The State-owned Enterprise of Raul, stopped providing the nation's workforce with free lunches and instead gives them 15 pesos to go find their own lunch. The promises of Communism.....the promises of the Bearded One. I just thought you may find that interesting.
Your points are well taken. Dominicanheartbeat sounds strangely similar to our own Josean. The
USA can not do any good, and Lie-nel as he refers to the DR's president is a no good for nothing
puppet that only brings the goods to his people and nothings for the poor. Of course, everything
would be good if only we had a dominican Chavez or Castro directing things.
The U.S. government has never kicked in my door regarding something I wrote on the internet. Got a shocker for you..... They do that kind of stuff in Cuba. Just ask Joani (http://www.desdecuba.com/generationy/). And if you say some crazy freedom of speachish *ish in Venezuela, your boy Hugo will shut your *ish down. Kind of like those radio stations in shut down in mass this past summer.
Spin it Heartbeat, spin it.
That's because Castro can't afford it in his failed controlled fortress Island Paradise. As the saying goes "No man is a Island" or is he ?
VivaCuba,
Never mind.......
Where in the world is Sonia Pierre? Why isn't she in Haiti supporting the people she claim to be advocateing for?? Of I forgot she must remain here in DR so she could advocate for the border to open up?
Have a seat on the sideline por favor. Really.
I trade virtual jabs with Heartbeat in part because I think he's throwing out senseless spin and I simply want to defend my country. He also raises some good points of discussion. More than what I give him credit for. But I also go back and forth with him because Heartbeat actually makes intelligent comments. Most of the time he makes points from which we can move forward with discussion. Your "The US government sucks," does not qualify as an intelligent comment. So, again, please, take five, sip a coke, snap into a slim jim and consider your future comments. "The US government sucks" just doesn't cut it around these parts.
It has being about a week since this quake and she had enough time to go to Haiti and show her solidarity with her people.
If the earth quake was in DR she would have being on the front page defaming and accusing our people of not helping Haitians get help.
Sonia Pierre has showed her true face, she is not an altruist person.
http://www.realtorrentz.com
More like the U.S is safe guarding the Haitian ports from a total Haitian chaos.
The U.S trying to block solidarity between the DR & Haiti ?
Where's the UN when you need'um ?
The UN "Always too little, too late".
Remember the Haitians and Dominicans will never in my opinion stand together on any one issue.
Haiti the nanny state of the world ? Haitians need to start re-building Haiti or nothing will change.
"It's not your Country anymore" Who's defending Cuba ?
Funny most who favor, support and brag about Cuba don't live in Cuba, I can only wonder why ?
Funny mostly all who hate the U.S have never lived in the U.S, why ?
I also wonder when the next man made / natural catastrophy hits who's gonna suck what ?
More like to stop the tide of communisum.
"U.S Failed sactions" ?
Cuba is better off....why complain ? I understand Cuba has great trade relations with other Countrys.
Castro won, what ?
The Cuban people lost everything to include their total freedom.
"Illegal inhuman UN resolutions" ?
Take that up with the UN.
How about the Cuban Gov. Inhuman treatment of Cubans.
"Those who love the U.S".
Still live in the U.S....by choice, and leave by choice. Yet still thousands flock to the U.S for a better life, freedom & future.
U.S borders are meant to keep people out....not in.
How many illegals are in Cuba ?
That's what the Cuban people have been told [propaganda] for decades, more like a one sided story.
What if......the Cuban people had U.S style Contitutional rights ?
You'll them have that GOD given right / freedom to know the differance.
I believe those issues are best left with the Haitian Government.
As I stated in the past I have Haitian friends both in the US and the DR.
HAITIANS MUST RE-BUILD HAITI, and until that happens nothing will change.
The million dollar question is....at what point will the Haitians realize this.....an example of not learning from history ? only to be repeated over and over again.
You post from Argentina, I understand....with their perfect Spanish and proud Euro roots....how many Haitians live there ?
How many Argentinians love people of color ?
Hate is....everywhere.