I guess they have a taste of what we Haitians are enduring in your country

So where is abc, Dready, Josie and the rest of the clutch to say that they volunteered to help the Cuban Workers?

El Wankos propaganda is working......people are leaving for the tropical Gulag

How tragic and bizarre. How the heck do you end up in Cuba if you're headed to Puerto Rico? Somebody duped these people and took them to Cuba purposely.

oupala07, you might want to go there and join them working as you have lots of experience working as our slaves in the sugar canes, does that sound great? :D

They are probably better off in Cuba then were they came from.

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ateo1992 wow, that's mean but I suppose his comment was too so tit for tat there!

oupala,

There is a difference between forced labor as punishment for illegal trespassing and voluntary hard labor for little pay that Haitians purposely illegally trespass for.

I guess 2010 will be no different for you? As confused and bewildered as ever about the world outside your cave?

No one forces Haitians to the DR. Haiians work hard to come here to the dr for a better life then they have in HAITI. True they don't live the HIGH LIFE but compared to Haiti it is the Very High Life.

Why you are complaining is beyond me. The majority of Dominicans don't want you illegals here anyway although I do. I have 2 Haitians working for me for quite some time and had one with his wife to my house for New Years Dinner. Would have had two but one was in Haiti.

"Written by: ScandiViking, 2 Jan 2010 3:03 PM
From: Denmark
They are probably better off in Cuba then were they came from."

That has got to be the most ignorant, stupid, ill-conceived statement ever posted on the Internet......ever!

Where is the story about americans leaving on a "yola" from the coast of Florida sailing to Bahamas to escape oppression and ended up in Cuba only to find more freedoms than were realized in america?

Duplicate

Oupala, if you are illegal, you are illegal. You are breaking the law, living in a shadowy area of society and self-classifying yourself as a second class citizen. You will be subject to ALL the vicisitudes of being illegal, crappy jobs, crappy living conditions, CRAPPY LIFE. This happens everywhere. Haitians in Dominican Republic; Most of them are ILLEGAL, they are breaking the law and voluntarily remain in their condition when they can always return to Ayiti. Those Domincans in Cuba have broken the law, they like your countrymen can have no sympathy because ALL of them BROKE the LAW. Viking, as usual your just a moron.

They could live to a good age........
http://www.france24.com/en/200805....st-rate-over-100-year-olds-expert
Unlike Blut who was fed beefburgers and fries instead of beans and rice........
S.

This is absurd -- Puerto Rico is East of the Dominican Republic and way way East of Cuba -- with the DR itself being in between the two -- so how in the world could these folks end up in Cuba? Somebody's been hoodwinked, bamboozled -- duped, I tell you. Please put out to all potential yoladores that the sun rises from the east and sets on the west. This means that if you're headed to Puerto Rico, in the morning the sun should be hitting you directly from the front and in the evening it should be illuminating your back. If by chance during the trip you observe this phenomenom in reverse order -- preparate para ir a cortar cana en Cuba. As I always say, "sometimes it's exhausting being Dominican" -- goodness these HDP traffickers will sell their mother to the devil if he paid well.

Funny thing is (in a sense)...when Cuban rafters are caught by Bahamians, they are forced to work for the Bahamians

abc should be forced to work in the salt mines for ever and ever and the work should be seasoned with the lash ......for his crimes there is no forgiveness no absolution and no redemption ......only castigation and pain .....Justice.....he has shamed " Clown School " for the last time .....Turn in your big shoes and unicycle and report in the morning with your shovel

montesino, You said it better than I did. I agree with you 100%. What I would like to know is how come the Dominican government hasn't done anything about this. These people need help. Their human rights are being violated because they're imprisoned in a communist country. They don't have any rights never mind due process.

The story may seem funny to some of you but these people are in dire straits and they need help now. Any ideas?

I guess they needed a compass. They left for PR and ended up in Cuba. Sad that they are being forced to such harsh treatment.

It sounds like Christopher Columbus' voyage.

AC get over your private losses - I'm sure you will be back one day soon to tenfold your former possesses!!!

Written by: anthonyC, 2 Jan 2010 3:51 PM
From: United States
"Written by: ScandiViking, 2 Jan 2010 3:03 PM
From: Denmark
They are probably better off in Cuba then were they came from."

That has got to be the most ignorant, stupid, ill-conceived statement ever posted on the Internet......ever!


EXCEPT for ALLof yours TRES PATINES!

Trespassing is illegal so that's redundant. To velocidad, I don't know why anyone is comparing Haitians to Dominicans in this case. These people left the Dominican Republic on a three hour tour to Puerto Rock and ended up in Cuba. Now they're in jail with no lawyers, no rights, no family, no government to help them. They might as well be stranded in a deserted island. Is this starting to sound like Gilligan's Island?

There are just no winners in this story.

Yoleros are the wost anti-ambassadors we could possibly have......they are selfish and put themselves before country and everything else. They project such a desperate state of national despair, that I simply could not comprehend how anybody in his right mind would dare invest his money in a country undergoing such bad economic conditions that people would risk their lives navigating the Mona Passage in "yolas", particularly when Haitians are risking it all for the economic opportunities these individuals abandoned.

These people demean us and I don't respect their actions or reasons. Our country has much to offer and they squander it to become sirvientas and bathroom cleaners in a foreign land where they are clearly not wanted. They are selfish and unpatriotic and, if the Castro brothers want them, then they can have them and do with them as they please.

MJEV.

Strange, but this boat's purpose/construction seems very singular to me, and it appears as though it was specifically built for ferrying illegal migrants across the Mona Passage.

MJEV.

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glomarexplorer - that's harsh and I don't agree with you. Many Dominicans that leave Dominican Republic for a better opportunity do better than if they had stayed. Dominican Republic does not offer opportunities to the poor. It is extremely hard to get anywhere in the DR without a "shortcut". I do know it's possible because I know of many who have succeeded but only THEY know how they did it. Also, don't forget that MANY Dominicans are guilty of going back home and showing off all the material things they've worked their butts for or have acquired by other means, leaving Dominicans at home with the impression that money grows on trees in the US. As we discuss this right now, a yola is leaving Samana, another one is in shark infested waters and another one is being captured by the US Coast Guard.

This is absurd -- right - because we know better - anyway I have cut 15 trees so far to make carbon- viva the kaffa joto LF

Furthermore, how can you ask for patriotism from citizens who are treated the way Dominicans are treated? The government offers NOTHING to the poor. No protection, no food, no shelter, no education, NOTHING! The Dominican government is very disrespectful to it's citizens, the majority. The government only protects those who don't need protection, the elite. Just look at what's going on right now. Drug trafficking has taken over and we have just been told what we have suspected for so long, the military is the number one drug trafficker in the country. The president is fully aware, the secretary of state is fully aware, the District Attorney is fully aware and what's being done? It's all become a big soap opera and a circus. It's become a means to distract the poor from what is REALLY going on in the Dominican Republic. High unemployment, underemployment, no health care, no electricity, no clean water. If I were in that situation and had any wits about me, I'd get on that raft myself.

Nonsense! All based on a telephone call??
If I was in PR doing "slave" labor like illegal Doms do there, and I knew as little about geography as Doms do, that's exactly what I'd do and say.

ggmoya,

I agree 1000% percent with your analysis and conclusion!

abc should be forced to work in the salt mines for ever and ever and the work should be seasoned with the lash ......for his crimes there is no forgiveness no absolution and no redemption ......only castigation and pain .....Justice.....he has shamed " Clown School " for the last time .....Turn in your big shoes and unicycle and report in the morning with your shovel
Blut is upset
not only have not his eight maids a milking not arrived but the nine ladies dancing are late!
Such is capitalism!http://www.carols.org.uk/the_twe1ve_days_of_christmas.htm
http://thm-a02.yimg.com/image/f0f6fff6df74ef12
The Nine Ladies Dancing represent the nine fruit of the Holy Spirit:

1) love, 2) joy, 3) peace, 4) patience, 5) kindness, 6) generosity, 7) faithfulness, 8) gentleness, and 9) self-control.

(Galatians 5:22)



Blut has missed out somewhere!




http://www.deanperry.co.uk/12days.htm
S.

ggmoya spouted great stuff about the very government the Dominican People created.

In cased you missed it the DR is a Democracy. Dominicans voted for these people. The Dominican people wanted this failed socialist system that just taxes, spends and steals. It is Dominicans who are doing the stealing. It is Dominicans who are taking bribes. It is Dominicans who are getting paid with their bogus "botellas".

It is Dominicans who voted for people like Jorge Blanco and Hippo.

STOP BLAMING OTHERS AND FIX YOUR OWN COUNTRY.

We start hearing the truth about the Domincan Republic. Keep going guys and gals, you have no idea how focus I am.

It is Dominicans who voted for people like Jorge Blanco and Hippo. Idiot it is Fernandez and the PLD - you have no eyes,ears or just another dom who can't read! Dominicans Revolt remove these Bastards

aC It's not as bad as the US of A. the wretched evil empire ruled by the perverts that are trashing our World!
S.

Basta,

Your people voted for them.....suck it up.

"STOP BLAMING OTHERS AND FIX YOUR OWN COUNTRY."

Words for Miami Cubans to live by!

Written by: josean, 3 Jan 2010 12:14 PM
From: United States

Words for Miami Cubans to live by!

That is what makes me morally superior to you. I do something besides bitch and moan on a message board. I don't blame other people.

Sad Story,very interesting discussion going on here. How come the usual suspects MSjersey.,Pepe32,Mechaela, ,Old School are not posting on this issues .It's fair to say even with all its gleaming developments, DR is only superior to its less fortunate neighbor to the west. Can someone please explain to me how can a country that is building metro line in its capital, yet in the United Nation human development index is below average of Latin America and the rest of the caribbean region? as publish here recently.

aC you are morally inferior - you trash the planet at a great rate! Of course as a Mormon sympathizer you are superior in morals to people of darker skin 2 Nephi. 5.21.

“Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them”
S.

Morman sympathizer?

Sweetie are you off your meds?

"That is what makes me morally superior to you."

You do so much to prove the stereotype of Cubanitos, who think their excrement doesn't stink!

Who is a morman sympathizer - is aC mixed up as usual - is it Moorman's - that you feed your swine?
http://www.moormans.com/
S.

AC,
You blame Dominicans for voting these people, just like you did with Bush. What have you done for the last 50 years - only whining because your candy was taken from you. At least Fidel and his friends had the balls to do something about Batista and his supporters in Cuba at that time. Fidel had support from the majority doing so, unfortunately he didn't have the balls not to let power corupt him and not to keep his promises. However all the poor in LAC do not know the difference whoever are in power. Their only concern is how to survive till the next day. I surely want to see changes both in Cuba and DR and all of LAC, but certainly not for your sake. If Cuban system should collapse like the rest of the commie world did, you, with your mentality will be back "home" in a split second to grab all the goodies for yourself, and here we go again exploting the poor Cubans. I do wish for the sake of the majority of Cubans it will never come thru for you.

I've never said in this forum that we are superior to anybody,
my concern is the irregulated migration we get, we are being
invaded and nobody is doing anything.
...by the way CUBA is a third world country, they managed to stay
afloat in the 70's and 80's with the help of the USSR, but they are not
far behind Haiti.

"they are not
far behind Haiti."


Neither are we!

What Raul & Fidel are doing by keeping this trespassers working the fields for free is what i would recommend the Dominican government to do with the Haitian trespassers.

The only difference will be that the haitian trespasser will keep coming to work for food and shelter and the Dominican trespasser will get a GPS on the yola to make sure they don't land where they don't pay in dollars or euros.

are you happy patFAKEdiamond?

PatDiamond,

Happy New Year.

AnthonyC "You people"??? We need to set you up in a small wooden house in San Carlos with no job, no transportation, no food and no water. Do you know what the word POWERLESS means??? You will know it if you're in that situation. The people don't actually elect a Dominican president. Elections are set up just like in the U.S. Don't you know anything? The president is a puppet put there by the people with money and power so they can further their financial interests.
On top of all this, Dominican Republic is one of the most racist and classist countries in the world. A country where the MINORITY is white is racist. Peoples with darker skin are discriminated against by people with lighter skin, both being black. So, there you are, poor by birth, black, being discriminated against day and day out, with very little opportunity to succeed and what are you supposed to do? Revolt? Try revolting in that situation cause you'll be doing life in Najayo.

"On top of all this, Dominican Republic is one of the most racist and classist countries in the world. A country where the MINORITY is white is racist. Peoples with darker skin are discriminated against by people with lighter skin, both being black. So, there you are, poor by birth, black, being discriminated against day and day out, with very little opportunity to succeed and what are you supposed to do? Revolt? Try revolting in that situation cause you'll be doing life in Najayo."


Finally, someone who's got the balls to say it the way it is. I think you are going to make yourself a lot of enemy here.

People are fleeing like rats leaving a suken ship and you still find some idiots varloping Haitians. It is really truth the old saying that states that : "No one like to see a bad reflexion of him/herself in the mirror." Haiti is what the Dominican republic is actually but in the SX or basic version while the Domincan Republic is the LX or luxury version. They can keep hiding th

No, Oupala07, you're the only one whose comments I dislike

Please don't take my words out of context the way you did above. AND btw, I'm Dominican. I'm not putting down Dominican Republic, I'm simply stating the reality of a nation. Dominican peoples are happy, full of life and energy being brought down by a government who is a mirror of the American government. Just stop your anti-Dominican sentiment and go use your energy to better your own land.

ggmoya, good work. But if i may, I will like to offer some light into your well stated argument presented on your three posting above.

your points are well taken and yes they all true, bar none. However, the problem lies in the ever struggling battle with self that we have been fighting since 1844. These are deep rooted issues that it will take a great undertaking to overcome and to have Dominicans love themselves once again. As you indicated the minority white does indeed controls the every day life functions in the DR. They have been able to do this by fragmenting the people via educating the people about their shortcomings and not abilities.

With the reformation of the education system, this problem could be resolved. It is undeniable that we lack identity and self portrait of who we really are. Our education system, which is highly ineffective BTW, tends to skip the introduction of blackness to the country via slavery, instead it presents it as a bi-product of haitian,

invasion and rape of the eastern side. Therefore, form early age you learn to hate blackness and looks at it as a reminder of that ugly time in our way to becoming a free republic. so people have been taught to mistrust and stay away from blackness since it present historical evil to us. Hence the ingrained racism that have taken hold of the Dominican trend of thoughts.

Until, we do not start teaching that indeed the majority of that blackness came via the importation of slaves, who BTW were brought against their will, then we will struggle in feeling pride in our racially diverse landscape.

Anyone that is looking to write a research document talking about systemic racism should be more than satisfied with the submission of a single page with Dominican Republic written on it.

Sad but true, but not all is lost gg, trust me, things will have to change in the DR if things are to work. The DR is slipping away from our hands via Leonel's clientelism policy, but these clients,

do not like bad press, accusing them of conducting business in society that endorse a system base on race and connections.

"Do you know what the word POWERLESS means???

Yes I do. It usually means "citizen of a SOCIALIST COUNTRY"

I can point out 1000's of success stories in the DR that have lifted themselves up from poverty.

And in case you start blathering again just remember that every one of the people who hop on a yola to cross the Mona Passage paid good money. So at last count there are 200,000+ Dominican Success Stories. They were just stupid after they succeeded.

unlike you, anthonyc, i generally withhold remarks on subjects with which i am not privy to the facts. there seems to be some suggestions that at least some of them were planning contraband transactions, which MIGHT explain their lack of freedom. then again, as i said, i am unlike you, a guy who has a proclivity to pontificate strenuously about subjects of which he knows less than nothing.

dagtan, I couldn't agree with you more. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Examples such as, Pelo malo, maldita/o negro/a, prieto/a, etc. can definitely have a great impact on the human psyche. No James Brown to say, "I'm black and I'm proud." instead we have Sammy Sosa going retro on us and lightening his skin.
As you stated, education is the most important part.

Who is this AnthonyC character? Quien te patrocina?

One last thing. Let's not forget about the people that are in Cuba who didn't mean to wind up there. Prisoners in Guantanamo get treated better. These Humans who happen to be Dominican need help! I will be writing to everyone and anyone who can help these people. Isn't that why we're here, to help one another?

ggmoya, the question about who , or what, is anthonyc has mystified civilisation for decades. do not feel as though you are alone in your state of perplexity. he is a minor legend in his own mind, and legendarily idiotic in the minds of people with a mind.

ggmoya,

I know that you are dominican my friend, and that is the reason why I said someone must have balls to say things the way they are. I have nothing against the Dominicans, but when they pick on my country and my people, I must lash back at them, and I am sorry if, by the same token I offend some friends, but you will hardly hear here a Dominican going after another one because he is trashing haitians. And this is why I wet everybody with my comments.

@ Old School -glad to see I got your attention,Happy new year my brother,may in the new year we get together over a few Presidentes and sang that wonderful James Brown song ggmoya refer to in his post.

GGmoya -Thank you for being honest about the social reality in DR. Last year The Miami Herald did a special about race in Latin America,when it came to DR ,sad but those issues you raised were the key focus of that report.

Dr Dagtan -thanks for always being the educator voice on this forum when it comes to these issues.

Atabey -Happy new year to you too young Turk, keep up with your academic studies,always remember young man education have its rewards,ignorance have its price.

dreadlocks I can't stop laughing at your comment! LMAO

ggmoya, dagtan, dreadlocks,

Gentlemen it is people like yourselves that make a difference in the world, speaking truth to power!

Thank for that extraordinary thread of commentaries!

oupala07,

"but you will hardly hear here a Dominican going after another one because he is trashing haitians."

My brother I hope you don't include me or several others here on DT that have taken NUCLEAR heat for denouncing xenophobia and racism towards Haitians.

gg,

I see your point and assume you are either a true compassionate or an idealist or both. However, I must respectfully disagree with you on some of the points you make above.

1) The poor are not excluded from opportunities in DR for, as you've stated, there are many who've made it. I've personally witnessed numerous people with enterprising minds make it out of the the "mud hole" into main street.

2) So long as there is a single hard-working Haitian national willing to work for a living and undergo all hardships our society affords him and making it, despite seemingly insurmountable odds, I cannot condone illegal migration to US; in fact, I cannot condone it at all!

3) I see government as an institution with the obligation of providing defense of the motherland, foreign and intrastate trade regulation, some federalized educational policy, banking regulations, levying of taxes and collection of duties on imported goods, etc.

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gg,

Continued:

4) I also believe that the smallest gov't is best.

5) Gov't should operate strictly within the limits of the constitution, and that document should be thoroughly respected and not altered with the direction of the wind on any specific day.

It is not the government's responsibility to provide food, shelter or electricity. The first two are personal responsibility and, when lacking, are best served by charitable organizations. The latter is an absolute privilege.

Dominicans, by desire and/or nature, lack a "can do" attitude and expect the gov't to do and provide everything for them. That's precisely why they vote for people such as LF and Hippoloco. I suppose they get the gov't they deserve!

They need to be empowered and do things for themselves and break the vicious cycle once and for all. Perhaps then, and only then, we will have hope and achieve concrete prosperity. Keeping population growth in check might prove helpful as well.

MJEV.

A retard said: "guess they have a taste of what we Haitians are enduring in your country"

El Bueno responds by saying that haitians choose their dominican destination. haitians are not forced!!!

Me ganaste.

GLO you are CRAZY! governments organized good housing for the peope of Hong Kong, Singapore the principle copied now through the rest of Asia.
You claim all sorts of credentials but your stupidity is not to understand that only a government can forsake a quick buck now for investment in a future generation. This implies that during a development phase of a country is in a development phase big government is necessary. The results are there for all to see Rebuilt Europe, Singapore, Hong Kong, Thailand.
Go back to whatever stupid University you attended and say they were wrong!
S.

Mucho loco,

Happy New Year!

I clearly see your point. Cuba has just the type of gov't you desire, with lots of control, health care, housing, transportation, rations, freedom of speech and press, etc.

Please move there and join your comrades in arms-and the sooner the better!

I do not regret fact you were deported from US. You cannot deny fact that even though we are a relatively a young nation, with our great free enterprise system, predicated on the laws of supply and demand, we became the mightiest economic, military and scientific nation in the world.

It is too bad that neo-socialist or neo-communist states such as NY and CA, and the marginal personalities such as yourself [leeches!!!] have spoiled our gains, momentarily set us back. However, like the proverbial phoenix, we shall rise again and to heights never attained in the history of the world.

Mucho loco, you are a derranged socio-communist and a leech.

MJEV.

glomar

you forgot to mention that commies are pajaros also

Are you sure it doesn't say that somewhere between all that gibberish? I kid Glomar, I kid. I see your points and I respect your opinion.

shouldt all this dominicans that landed in cuba illegaly , be send back to the dominican republic as soon has possible . If not leonel should send the dominican army to cuba to get are people back . we already whoop there asses ones we could do it again.

Trini,

I despise communism because it suffocates freedom, and socialism isn't too far behind. Fact is that communism is the culmination of socialism-at least to me

To me, they rank with scum, and "pajaros" is too kind a term for them.

MJEV.

gg,

Feel free to toss a stone my way here and there-my windows are made of plate glass! However, that intrinsic Dominican competitiveness and aggression trait compels me to fight back every so often. I must resolve to work hard on that bad habit and tame it this year.

Mucho Loco [aka "abc"] is most adept at eliciting this reaction in me. I warn you, don't engage in any discussions with him. He makes no sense and is effectively a functioning idiot. And, you know what they say: "don't ever argue with an idiot, because he will just drag you to his level". He does. He clearly does, darn!

It was good when we didn't hear from him for a few days....thought he was one of those road kills. Kidding-just kidding, Mucho Loco. I really wish him a healthy life....he is most entertaining.

MJEV.

First of all, fire that boat's captain for leaving for Puerto Rico and arriving in Cuba lol. If this is true, it is totally unacceptable that our people are being enslaved. That's what I like about the United States, they protect their citizens no matter where in the world they are.

The golden kingdom shall fall:
You, O king, were watching; and behold, a great image! This great image, whose splendor was excellent, stood before you; and its form was awesome. 32This image?s head was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, 33its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay. 34You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces. 35Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth Dan 2 -31-35
USA shall surely perish!
For those that believe in the Bible the ultimate Kingdom is communist!
http://library.syr.edu/digital/collections/j/JohnHumphreyNoyes,ThePutneyCommunity/chap14.htm
S.

Hopefully me sending this story to the New York Times 200 times might get some attention. They may not be from the United States but they are humans and Cuba treats people like animals.

I will take your advice glomar but I must say that abc is quite charming and his poetry has sent shivers down my spine. lolzzzz

Glo has lost his head ! how could an idiot be adept at anything?
Any reader must recognize Glo as being one of the most stupid people on this Earth. His company should fire him now!
S.

"Written by: ggmoya, 4 Jan 2010 7:53 PM
From: United States, New York
Hopefully me sending this story to the New York Times 200 times might get some attention. "

The New York Times? If they do run with that story it will be how the Dominicans were attacking the worker's paradise, funded by the CIA and working under the control of Sarah Palin

Mucho Loco,

You keep on making statements like one above about the US perishing, etc., and you will inevitably wind up on the "No Fly List". Perhaps much of western Europe and the US would rejoice upon that event. I am growing increasingly concerned with your statements and your generally negative comments about this great nation we call USA. With every negative comment you are beginning to sound like an "Al Qaeda" member more and more. I would tone down the rhetoric if I were you.

BTW, even monkeys and other lesser animals could be trained to perform some tasks, including talking sign language, begging and stealing, a perpetually providing links to useless websites. So, please don't amuse yourself. Besides, I did call you a functioning idiot, not a total idiot.

MJEV.

You it is amazing how much effort and typing have been employed on this single article, raging from the truly simplistic and tacit comments to the really bizarre ones. However, we are all missing the true meaning of the story: WHY DO THEY LEAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Let us talk about the reasons as to why they have to abandon their homeland, gg, touched on it, but it got all gobbled up in the verbiage once gain. I often try to advise people not to infest the forum with unnecessary verbiage and misleading information.

This incident is a great embarassment to the Dominican Republic, since cuban nationals once they land in the DR are often treated better than our own and are given judicial protection under our shady laws, as if they were running from system worse than the one each Dominican is forced to live in. It is clear that the Cuban government is flexing its muscles against a much weaker country, at least on the international arena.

As we all know, the Cuban government i

is used to play with the big dogs and it is acting like a bully with the DR on this particular incident. For all intent and purposes i hope that president Fernandez respond to such actions with corrective force and a clear message to the Cuban government that such transgressions against Dominican nationals will not be tolerated and a proper response will be expected now and in the future is if this is to happen again.

I am deeply concerned about the inability of the Dominican government no to protect its citizens on the homeland, but now, not even at the international level. if we as Dominicans do not enjoy our rightful protection by our native government, then is there any advantage in possessing such citizenship? should any person of Dominican decent simply trash it now, since it is not respected nor protected by our government?

Finally, glomar, with all due respect, but big government is needed initially for the development productive societies and self governing people.

Dag,

Great to hear form you.

Happy New Year!

As for above story and big gov't, they are like a cancer, in my humble opinion, and only get bigger with time. They have a holier than thou attitude and a "need to be needed" motto. They want to control everything and everyone, under all circumstances. Big gov't is narcissistic and self-promoting and preys upon the poor and less educated. They are modern days Robin Hoods, not realizing that only rich people create jobs by risking their money.

Yes, I do not hate the rich; in fact, I applaud them. They are the ones who risk their money, create jobs, provide endowment for the arts, use the least of public resources-including education. Pay high taxes to fund all social programs. Etc.

It is funny but, under the law, they are less equal than rest of us. Even though they use very little gov't and programs and services, they are still forced to largely fund them. Doesn't sound very fair to me.

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Continued;

Dag,

This is like telling good students that even though half the class failed, we must give everyone an "A" because it is the right thing to do. This inhibits ambition and promotes mediocrity and, in times when we we have to compete with academically ruthless countries such as India and China, a guaranteed recipe for failure.

Anyway, this is how I see it. I despise big gov't, especially of the socio-communist type.

Long live democracy and free enterprise, governed by the laws of supply & demand and reward and punishment. Sadly, pompous gov't intervention has derailed latter in US, but I still believe in premise of free enterprise. Obviously, the Chinese feel likewise and that is why they have largely become capitalists and become very successful in the process.

MJEV.

The next time I see a Cuban from the Cuba - not Florida - in Dominican Republic, I'm going to hand him/her a broom!!! I have NO respect for them AT ALL! Why don't they take a raft to Florida like the real Cubans do? No, they go and settle in Dominican Republic because they know they'll get treated well there. BTW, I have personal experience with these people and the ones that travel to and fro Dominican Republic from Cuba are perverse bastards to say the least. They boast about their education and how great Cuba is. GO HOME THEN!!!!!

gg,

Amen!

These comments could have been written as well by a Haitian about you the Dominicans. Do you realize how bitter the pill is when it is you who must swallow it? Of course, if the Cubans and the Haitians go to the Dominican Republic, it is to seek for a life they think will be better(?) than what they’re living back home, but for the non white ones, it will never be the case. Why do you the Dominicans are doing the same thing by invading other’s country and are bad mouthing others about it?

If there were not a bunch of gun and drug carrying criminals among 96 migrants who land in their island, the Cubans would have never detained them. Haitians boat people regularly land in Cuba, however, they never have any problem with the Cuban authorities. And you as usual, are acting like a bunch of cry babies, as if the whole world is picking on you, but you are quick to forget are fast you are to pick on Haitians.

It is time to swallow the pill and to find out how bitter it is.

Glomar, I totally agreed with your vision of government and the ill effects of overly involved governments in the lives of its citizenry. However, the point that I am trying to make and one that is undeniable under any politcal science examination is that all great societies that developed into industrialized and citizen centered societies, were once big government societies.

Every young nation needs big government spearheading the development and securiy of its people, to develop an infrastructure to allow for business growth, to create a public school systems allowing people from all walks of life to rise, creating social services designed to help that can not purchase them. I hear what you said about the rich, but they have access and the ability to infleunce the government be it small or big.

Glomar, the following is a series of examples afirming the need for initial big government, you have Ancient Egypt, where the government was central and big with many social benefits,

Both France and England with their monoarchies, eventhough these were controlled by central syste, they were huge nontheless and had huge social projects and services for the people. The biggest of all was the Roman Empire which the American system is based on. It was good to be a Roman citizen since you'll enjoy all the social benefits.

Eventhought, all these societies gave way to merchantilism and trading among its citizens, they were all first and forth most BIG CENTRAL GOVERNMENTs. It is impossible to start as a nationa at the levels of highly sophisticated political system were people behave as individual and the government sees no need to get involved in order to create balance.

All successful governments started as central governments with an eye on the good of the people. Just because the American Federal government was weak during the start of the republic, you can not ignore the fact the republic was by far the most socialist country on earth at that time, if you

do not believe this, just look at the Bill of Rights, there was not a more socilally oriented, people driven document on earth than this one. Glomar, not even the magna carta was as liberal and socialist as the bill of rights.

You make great points about the ills of big governments, but without big governments there will not be: United States, Great Britain, France, China, Japan, Germany and all great economies of the world today.

Finally, look at the developing economies, i,e. Brazil, Chile, Costa Rica, India and China, they all insist in having big government and big social services to protect and edcuate the peopple in the process of becoming part of a smaller government - economic driven society.

These poor people will beg to come back to DR even to the poor towns they came out of . Cuba can only be compared with Hell . And to those wearing the che t-shirts without having a clue who he was or stood for they should talk to these people when they return to hear first hand how much of a paradize Cuba really is .

'I must say that abc is quite charming' Thanks!
Greenpeace is a recognized charity in most countires of the World. I have never advocated violence a la Al Quida - and such a smear is quite inappropriate. This shows Glo's mentality. Dagtan - in Ancient Egypt the ruler had the responsibllity for food security - maintaining stocks and leasing land to effective frarmers.
http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/economy/index.html
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back on you. Those are biblical principles, not Jeremiah Wright bombastic divisive principles. (Applause.)
Jeremiah Wright.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/new....rld/chi-wrighttranscript-04282008,0,5339764,full.story
It is legitimate to criticize nations such as the US who sit on a huge proportion of the World's resources relative to their population - who squander this resource base and trash the planet.
S.

How intelligent - Blut - how did you manage to be a such a bright star in the firmament? About to explode like the corrupt capitalist system?
S.

Abc said:
"Dagtan - in Ancient Egypt the ruler had the responsibllity for food security - maintaining stocks and leasing land to effective frarmers".


Didn't I said the same thing on my post? abc, I do not know, but you seem to be missing the point at a constant speed. I was replying to Glomar points about the evilness of big governments. Eventhough, I agree with him, it is important to recognize the importance of such governments in the process of civilization and development of effective capitalist societies, which BTW it is by far the best form of government.

Yes, I didn't miss it:
he following is a series of examples afirming the need for initial big government, you have Ancient Egypt, where the government was central and big with many social benefits,
I was trying to amplify your point and say that the main social benefit was food securty. There were certinlty slaves and bonded labour.
Modern big government has of couurs given benefits to all in all the main areas.
Yours is an interesting contribution to the discussion. and I agree with you only strong good governement action can make and maintain a modern state.
s.

Mucho Loco,

I agree with you on this statement: "....only strong good government action can make and maintain a modern state. "

Yes, we have ample proof of that fact in Cuba and China, although latter is infinitely more prosperous; nevertheless, a totalitarian state.

Question is: are we really better off living in a socialist economy when we have half of our income confiscated? A perverse system that actively promote sameness and mediocrity, while it constricts creativity and productivity and competitiveness? I think not. All those in favor of Sweden, France and the like please emigrate there.

I believe the Chinese shall be triumphant in the end and re-establish a dynasty that shall last a thousand years. The combination of central and focused control, a near-homogeneous and large population, ambition, education and high productivity shall assure their success.

MJEV.

Glomar, one of us is not connecting. I am having difficulty understanding your position, please correct me if I am wrong. Your point is that socialist governments are not good and that enterprise driven governments are good, is that right? if yes, does it matter the size of the government and the social programs they have in place to allow their people healthier and happier lives, as long as they are enterprise driven? if this is the case, then you are not concerned with social programs as long as the government is based on capitalism and socialism? is this correct?

Because China actually has more social services than the United States and you seems to support it and bash the United States for it vast social services. Moreover, China is socialist nation with a capitalist economy, so i guess your only concern is the economic format and not the government. Please clarify, thanks again Glomar.

Dag,

China is a totalitarian, communist state in transition. I do not favor anything but democratic governments and free enterprise, market-driven economies. My statement relative to potential Chinese success has more to do with how the west has chosen to shift its manufacturing structure to them and supplant it with a service-driven economy. This is not only wrong, as it will effectively transform us into serfs, but it could spell the beginning of the end of our socio-economic system and bring instability to the world.

The Chinese giant should have been left in hibernation. Soon they will have all the necessary components to rule and conquer the world for at least a century. They have the people resources, the will and soon the military might. No one or nothing shall stand in their way, and we could blame no one but ourselves for this sad eventuality. I just hope the Russians and Indians will provide some kind of balance in the area. US status is quickly diminishing.

i hear you Glomar, thank you very much.

I cant stand cuba everything they stand for is oppresion no freedom of thought no freedom of rights , no freedom of anything and theres nothing worst then hearing this pendejo cubans that live in new jersey and in florida still after all this year complaining about castro and there regime . why they never had the cojones to put a bullet on that old mothersucker head . shoot we killed trujillo a long time ago, cubans in miami wanted to change everything in florida they actually wanted to make spanich a first language in florida , lol I cant belive i agree with josean but "STOP BLAMING OTHERS AND FIX YOUR OWN COUNTRY

Don't have the same problem - for the most part very honest and trustworty people - sometimes its ttue they are misled by Americans to do things they do not really understand.
S.

Abc, can you try to be coherent?

gg,

I warned you about Mucho Loco!!!!!

Nice little puzzle for you to get the meaning!
Got it now?
S.

el wanko is an imbecile and a low grade moron pay no attention

Blut studied such subjects long and hard and got confused!
S.

Mira abc, yo no entiendo la mitad de lo que te escribes en el foro. Pero eso no importa. Me voy a llevar de Glomar, quien dice que tu eres bastante loco. A los locos no se le pone caso. Cuidate!

But I thought the DR was a paradise?

Oh, but it is!!!! You just can't let your guard down. Everyone is very friendly and happy and the weather is so nice that we tend to let our guard down. The things that happened overthere would not happen to me here because here, I question everything. I was under the paradise's spell down there. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!!!!!!

Glomarexplorer,

“China is a totalitarian, communist state in transition. I do not favor anything but democratic governments and free enterprise, market-driven economies. “

Your pro Western mindset is keeping you from realizing what is really happening in the world. China is not a communist state in transition; it will remain a communist regime which has chosen a market economy in order to deal with the other capitalist oriented markets. Socio politically, it will never revert to the savage capitalism we’ve been experiencing for decades in the West.

(continued) “My statement relative to potential Chinese success has more to do with how the west has chosen to shift its manufacturing structure to them and supplant it with a service-driven economy.”

This part of your comment proves that you haven’t understood why China has risen and the West is falling. If the Western Corporations have moved to China, it is because they were tired to continually keep paying high wages to their unionized labour force. The Chinese government supplied them with very, very cheap manpower, but never gave them any guarantee against counterfeiting. That is the reason why China is still the number one counterfeiter in the World.

(continued) By being able to clone any new technology the Western (Europe, Russia and North American) Corporations and the Asian (Japan, South Korea, Australia) ones have brought into their system, they have managed to bypass expensive research programs. That is the reason why all their products from domestic to military are cloned.
Furthermore, by being allowed by the western countries to not only dump (sometimes at a lost) their manufactured goods in their market, but also by severely restricting their own to them, they have rapidly developed a negative trading balance which favoured them. Those billions of dollars it pulled from the West are reinvested in US treasury bills. And you can imagine that spread over a few decades, China has managed to build a foreign reserve in dollars equivalent of more than two trillions.

(continued) “This is not only wrong, as it will effectively transform us into serfs, but it could spell the beginning of the end of our socio-economic system and bring instability to the world.”

You are already more than a serf: you are an economic slave condemned to serve the IMF and World Bank interests for the remaining of your life. Actually, each US citizen owes 39815 dollars to the World Bank, and if you are a tax payer (working citizen) your part of the national debt is 112615 dollars. How long do you think it will take the United States, with a population of more than 300 millions souls to amortized this mammoth debt and help you become a free man again?

(continued)“The Chinese giant should have been left in hibernation. Soon they will have all the necessary components to rule and conquer the world for at least a century. They have the people resources, the will and soon the military might. No one or nothing shall stand in their way, and we could blame no one but ourselves for this sad eventuality. I just hope the Russians and Indians will provide some kind of balance in the area. US status is quickly diminishing.”

Well, living the yellow Giant Panda in hibernation would have only delayed its rise for maybe a few decades or less. And you are wrong again by thinking that the Chinese will be all over the place. What you fail to understand is that we’re not leaving in a unipolar world anymore.

(continued) There are too many major powers on the rise now in order for China to think that it can dominate the world. In fact, even if they are currently second after the United States in term of GDP (4.8) trillions dollars against 4.6 for Japan (ex second place), they still have a lot of road ahead before matching the 12.6 trillions dollars GDP of the US.
Another thing, despite of all its actual economic and military might, China is and will be nowhere ready to portray an aggressive stance toward even its Asian neighbours. Furthermore, this giant has never been known throughout history as a conquering nation, even though some more aggressive ones, like the Mongols and the Mandchus have conquered her and used her to launch aggressive campaigns against Europe and other Asian nations. And let’s not forget that tiny Japan has managed to colonize her too.

(continued) By the way, do not count on the Indians and the Russians, the formers know that their country is a super power in the making and that the United States, which are now their faithful ally, need them more than they need it And as far as the Russians are concerned, those fellows are the most infamous ones in the World after the Brits when it means to defend their interests, in other words, do not really count on the Russians to defend the United States, for they’re still mourning and grieving the death of their empire.
So, I advise you to document yourself accordingly when you want to address those complicated geopolitics, and if I have an advice to give you is to be careful presently when you mention freedom and the United States. For if you want to have a hint about what’s going on, just take a look at those articles at www.infowars.com

These articles are from the country wich dubbed itself the land of the free and the braves.

Homeschoolers Arrested in New York: Slavery Returns to Amerika

Times Square a Police State On New Year’s Eve

National Guard ad revives Nazi oath to Hitler: “Always place mission first,” not US Constitution

Obama’s White House Press Corps warned about asking certain questions

Comic Rivers Pulled from Flight for “Suspicious” Passport

NYPD Closes Down Times Square in Response to Suspicious Van

Oupala,

Where do I begin?

1) China in state of transition: shifting from central control and tried and failed five and ten year plans to market-driven economy. Yes they are a communist country and shall remain so.

2) How we shifted our manufacturing to China: cheap labor; large potential market; extreme greed. India, south East Asia; Russia and Latin America all offer cheap labor and no guarantee against counterfeiting. We went through similar growing pains with Japan, Korea and Hong Kong and survived them.

3) Transformed into serfs: and you are free of debt? What nationality are you and where do you pay taxes? You suggest you hail from Canada, but I surmise you are a refugee there and not a native. What, Canada has no debt? I very much doubt it. US is still a mighty country and shall remain so for forseeable future. Why do you think China, Canada and others alike invest here?

Continues:

Oupala,

Continued:

4) Chinese giant left in hibernation: I do hope that the Indians and Russians will help keep the Chinese in check. You really have to live in a dark bottle not to think that China will flex its muscle to get its way. Within the next five to ten years they shall retake Taiwan. They are already economically invading African countries, trading infrastructure edification for natural resources, while tey station countless Chinese citizens in those countries.

5) Balance of your comments: gibberish and senseless and portray a character of a man without a country or allegiance and full of hatred for the US. Don't count us out yet. Accounts of our demise are very premature. We are here to stay and remain at top of our game. We will recover and rise to higher heights than we ever achieved before. This is but a momentary pause and not a retreat. That is our destiny and purpose. All beware.

MJEV.

Oupala,

BTW, I deal with China on a daily basis and have weekly conferences with my people in Shanghai.

I supply engine management systems to a plurality of Chinese and western auto manufacturers in China. I deal with every name plate in the western world as well. Also, my company has the largest engineering center in China and we employ many thousands of locals. We also have numerous manufacturing sites throughout the country.

I am also working with Chinese gov't national laboratories and universities on clean energy research, including hydrogen and natural gas. We are presently retrofitting several mass transit buses with CNG injectors and supply most of the taxi fleet.

So, you see, I know a thing or two about China and business there, possibly way more than you do. I speak not from what you read in the paper but from what I've experienced first hand.

MJEV.

glomarexplorer, Are you consuming some of that CIAlQuaida heroine being sent into the USA? You are delusional. You probably drive a bug SUV too and then cry clean burning fuels. Globalist! You're part of their agenda too stupid fool. Allegiance? Who are you allied to??? Go employ some more Chinese at the expense of Americans. Traitor! Don't accuse anyone of failing to have an allegiance when you yourself are a BIG part of the problem serving the NWO agenda at the expense of americans. You seem to know everything about business in China but nothing about business in modern day america to keep jobs inside america. Perhaps you can surrender your nationality to the country YOU are loyal to, if allegiance is so important to you. Educated NWO supportive idiots like you deserve low wage, no insurance PT jobs @ Wally World & your day is coming. You are your own worst enemy (and working americans) . Wake up, get on-board or go back to sleep. I see Wal-Mart is now in China. Hop to it!

Actually, it's al-CIA-duh. :-)

glomarexplorer, After rereading your post, I've decided you are not for real as nobody could think as foolishly as you. You must work for the ADL and incite conflict

My friend glomarexplorer,

Before rebutting on others’ comments, you must check yours for concordance and ambiguity. Right below is what you wrote on: 5 Jan 2010 11:25 PM
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes

a) (China is a totalitarian, communist state in transition. I do not favor anything but democratic governments and free enterprise, market-driven economies...)
b) (My statement relative to potential Chinese success has more to do with how the west has chosen to shift its manufacturing structure to them and supplant it with a service-driven economy.)
d) (This is not only wrong, as it will effectively transform us into serfs, but it could spell the beginning of the end of our socio-economic system and bring instability to the world.)

(continued)
(The Chinese giant should have been left in hibernation. Soon they will have all the necessarycomponents to rule and conquer the world for at least a century. They have the people resources, the will and soon the military might. No one or nothing shall stand in their way, and we could blame no one but ourselves for this sad eventuality.)


And this is what you wrote two days later on 7 Jan 2010 1:03 AM. I guess you really did not bear the pain to parallel it with your previous comments.


(BTW, I deal with China on a daily basis and have weekly conferences with my people in Shanghai.

I supply engine management systems to a plurality of Chinese and western auto manufacturers in China. I deal with every name plate in the western world as well. Also, my company has the largest engineering center in China and we employ many thousands of locals. We also have numerous manufacturing sites throughout the country.

(continued)

(I am also working with Chinese gov't national laboratories and universities on clean energy research, including hydrogen and natural gas. We are presently retrofitting several mass transit buses with CNG injectors and supply most of the taxi fleet.
So, you see, I know a thing or two about China and business there, possibly way more than you do. I speak not from what you read in the paper but from what I've experienced first hand.)

That’s what the Yankees call “being caught with your pants down”. So, according to what you were boasting and bragging about, it looks like that you are deeply entrenched into the Chinese market economy, and you are shooting red cannon balls on them now. How the Hell do you want someone to believe you? Anyway, I am not going to waste my time debunking your flawed remarks and comments because they are mostly senseless and empty rhetoric.

(continued)
Besides, our friend VivaCuba has already graded you, and I’m pretty sure that a few among of your peers have hidden their head under the sand in order to escape such incompetence demonstrated by your poor intellect.You might be a great investor and businessman (which I doubt), however, you are very, and I do mean very far from understanding the real world economic and politics outlook. Keep trying.

A GPS is a too sophisticated piece of equipment for the poor intellect to the Dominicans. You give them one and they will end up in Africa instead of Porto Rico or Florida or even Cuba. LOL LOL LOL

Welcomeback mister(s) moderator(s). As everyone can notice, the year end partying with booze and hot women haven't blurred your sense of impartiality. I wonder why you keep deleting post that people are able to read anyway? Seems like a tasteless joke to me when I noticed that all the bad comments from dominican folks are allowed while the ones that do not praise the DR and its people are mercilessly deleted. Well, anyway, I think it is fair enough, because if we, in Haiti, used to take care of our owns and our country the same way, it would have been a long time since the border would have been shut down.

Glomy always remember ...." The dogs bark the caravan moves on "

Glo is part of the evil empire making auto parts for cars that trash the planet.. Chinese electric cycles are good as are rickshaws. All these Chinese workers could be building renewable energy plants and reducing the smog in Chinese cities instead of parts for polluting autos.
Stop committing treason agaist the planet! Its the only one we've got!
S.

Glo is part of the evil empire making auto parts for cars that trash the planet.. Chinese electric cycles are good as are rickshaws. All these Chinese workers could be building renewable energy plants and reducing the smog in Chinese cities instead of parts for polluting autos.
Stop committing treason agaist the planet! Its the only one we've got!
S.

what about the brain you haven't got......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKK8mAkiUI

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uh oh...ATTACK ON GLOMAR! ATTACK ON GLOMAR! How can I defend you Glomar? You went really high-tech on me there. Geesh, um, ok, there are bad people all over the world just as there are good people. One of my doctors is Haitian and he's been treating me since I was 17. I go to him as a last resort because he accepts cash and he doesn't have a secretary or anything. If I need a shot of penicillin or I ran out of my thyroid meds, I go to the Haitian doctor. Um, a Haitian took a machete to my puppy in the beach in Juan Dolio, Dominican Republic but another Haitian helped us get into the complex where we were staying because all the Dominican Security guards had fallen asleep. I've had tequila shots with tacos and salsa with a Haitian - first time he had tequila, btw and he was wasted!!! It was so funny and I had a good time with him.

Um, I have a couple of Cuban friends in Dominican Republic that live mostly in Florida and I love, love, love them! My dad was Dominican so I feel at liberty to say a couple of bad things about a peoples that I know. I lived 6 years by la UASD when I was a child. We had people steal from us but my neighbor saved my life when some sick bastard was going to kidnap me. I'm just a lot happier in the US. I love America, I love New York, I love everything about how I feel here because I've been to other places and I find this better. I feel I can trust people in general, I can trust my neighbors, my friends, that they'll be energy, hot water, food!

Vivacuba and Oupala,

Viva, with a moniker like yours, I already know you are a total idiot; further dialogue is unnecessary.

Oupala, you are smarter than Viva and I'l leave it there.

Clearly, I am an avowed capitalist, living in a capitalist world, working for a capitalist company. I sell to every automotive nameplate in the world, except those in Iran. My country, the mighty and prosperous and greatest country on earth: the USA, has open and free trade with China; Chinese are good customers and pay their bills and I am glad to deal with them. Cuba and Russia and India and others also trade with them freely. Where do you think those modern buses in Havana came from? Santa Claus or Karl Marx or Max Engel? No, Beijing!

I operate in full compliance with the WTO. You liberals, with your socio-communist allies clamored for it and I abide by it. I might not like it but it is what it is and I must live by it.

abc, you are a loser.

MJEV.

I love you Glomar!!!!!! I know you're a genius. Let's not waste our energies in this forum anymore. Let's move on to the next subject please.

I love you Glomar!!!!!! I know you're a genius. Let's not waste our energies in this forum anymore. Let's move on to the next subject please.

GG,

Thank you.

I resolve to heed your advice.

Again, thank you.

Yes, we all know the WTO was and is a big mistake. The 'race to the bottom' that no one can win and all these 'loose loose' trade deals. Near slavery in one country, unemployment in another.
Countries like DR should set internal prices that give workers just rewards.
S.

Countries like DR should deport mental defectives and low grade morons such as El Wanko give workers just rewards and allow public floggings of socialists who make trouble .

Glo works for a stupid company - the China crash is coming.
Chinese love their bicycles and pigmeat!
Not stupid cars.
http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-....s&pos=7&asset=&ccode=
I suppose you are all a stupid gang together.........
Blut is just plain crazy..............
http://www.cleanergreenerchina.com/2009/03/18/869/
S.

Glomar works for the Globalist agenda. Glomar believes he is doing the best thing and is a self serving dirtbag. His day will come because he will soon be a victim of his own making.

Well expressed Viva!
A.

one lies and the other swears to it.....two bags of garbage commenting on a citizen who contributes...shame shame

Contributes to trashing the planet for all of us - Blut is his usual stupid self. Can't he just stop being an idiot just for once in his life?
Some people get be confused with 123.
Of course a 464 is magnificent
http://danielboonetrains.com/smalltrain.html
Of course I ride on 2 wheels to save the planet hence 200.
S.

the uni cycled imbecile has spewed his nonsense again

Blut could start retraining to be a a radish farmer. He might graduate to wasabi.
http://www.christianchefs.org/newsletters/2003/05LSOTM.html
We just might then be be spared his repetitive inane comments.
He could learn the funky gibbon - would suit him!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxk_yuxcd1g

S.

abc dressed in his funky chicken suit .....the only animal worthy of rapid extinction

If Blut really studied hard at the funky gibbon we might be spared his inane repetitive comments.
He culd put on displays at socalist festivals!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXq8rELhUkw
S.

Vivacuba a great applause for your comments