Who might have done such a thing?

Violence in the Sewer again

My condolences go out to the families and friends of the victims.

This is time for the foreign governments to issue travel advisories for those wishing visit or stay on the island. If the Dominican government does not have the will to combat the criminals and criminality as a whole, then it needs a wakeup call from interested nations. Hit the government where it hurts the most, in the pocketbook!

In the Canadaian news, the security guard confessed that he is involved, asked to one of the muderers to be shot in the foot to cover his participation for money, and he is detained by the police.

This will certainly touch tourism and lead to many cancelling their flights or vacations in the Republic. As Canadians, we are aware that wages in your country are very low, the opportunities for a better life and education are still quite scarce and contributes to actions for the lure for fast and easy money as it is also in most countries south of North America.

But I also know that Dominicans in general are very family tied together, and are good and human peoples with high self respect and heart on the hand ready to help and exchange.

I wish access to more resources and equity for Dominicans and a lower poverty rate, and this is in the interest of all since the main source of the Dominican Republic is tourism. You have such a beautiful country with beautiful peoples and beliefs.

No great wise miller, us savages learn much from paleface, stay to help redman be like you, build empire, kill all in our path...

Cacique, get a grip retard.

I can believe you have the education and foresight of a person in the 1800's.

I live in the 21st century.

I say us foreigner leave and let you build Tepees. I'll watch from the internet.

gmiller,

put the pipe down!

USA goes to every country and take their riches, to this day 2010, if you don't believe do some research and stop doing crack. They do it in LATIN AMERICA, AFRICA, ASIA, etc, etc.

Miller, stop insulting... you will not get any sympathy toward any foreigners to provoque the way you do.

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"I think all the foreigners should leave and let the savages kill each other."

I would really be glad about that. The thing is that most of our foreigners (90%) are savages themselves.

Sosua is filthy, a bastion for criminals, both foreign and domestic. unless you are very rich and live gated, or with security. The poor see the wealth, they are hungry, living hand to mouth in charamicos, la union, islabon, surviving on hand outs from tourist. These things will happen whenever you put the extremely wealthy alongside the extremely poor. ciao ciao sinceramente La Verdad.

The few do not realize the harm they cause by their shortsighted actions to the many. Here in the USA I've lived in poor neighborhoods where shootings took place once a week. I live in a much better place now. So if it can happen here it can happen there. True the authorities need to pick up the pace and become more involved in providing security. Gmiller if the savages are allowed to kill each other there, soon the whole country will break down and massive immigration will take place and more savages will be popping up in your hood, you don't want that now? Mr. Miller stop proving your a jerk and stay silent.

Well, I practice & believe that if you treat all people as equals you will
not have any problems. That is, admittingly, very naive, but
one can only believe the best in people will always come out!
Again, I will be in the DR in 2 days for another month in their beautiful country!
Yes, I will visit Sosua & Costambar with a good feeling.
Have fun!

"I hope in your lifetime you can experience half the fear these poor people felt before they were dead"

I hope that you never have to experience the fear, abandonment, disillusionment and poverty of the perpetrators of these heinous acts. They were born human and slowly turned into something less by a combination of circumstance and station. Hopelessness is instilled during early development and it is a moral cancer.

Gmiller,

You make a valid point but the way you make it is just un acceptable. I think it is you that have the foresight of a chimpanzee. These same types of crime occur in your U.S of A every day! Dude get a grip.

I lived in Sosua for about 10 years. This part of the story you are reading is only a part of the story. There will be other parts that may come out on DT or may not but they will be known. I have learned over the years that you need to wait and listen.

These guys may have been the bad guys, you never know. Just like that crock of bull canadian kidnapping which when I read about the reactions just cracked me up. Fantasy was what it was with a bunch of hookers mixed in most likely.

Lopez31, Bull.

NO American born and bred in the US thinks that ALL foreigners have money dripping out of their pockets and are entitled to their share.

Dominicans do. Period.

And if you think living in a gated community will save you, think again.

Geez Gmiller, where do you to hangout in the Dominican Republic? Who are the dominicans you know? Because those are definitely not the ones I know?

Escott, Good point.

If these people turn out to be pedophiles, I’ll stand corrected and apologize.

GeeeeMiller261,
Where the hell have you been ? living under a rock ! ever notice U.S crime ? Rape, Robbery, Theft, Assault, Battery, Murder etc..etc.. are an every day event....much of it never even making the evening news or papers any more but then again it's a way of life in the good ol U.S of A "the wild wild west". Trash comes in all Colors, Ethnicity, Race, Nationality and Gender.

My heart and prayers go out to the victims Families, I can only hope all those evolved are arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the Law threw a Kangaroo Court and hung for all to see.

The DR Police must focus on crimes commented against Tourist, after all it's the tourist dollars that make the DR in the first place, for without them the DR will sink in a much deeper hole.

Shame on you ! for your statement, think VICTIMS. Not to judge you but then again what's expected from a narrow minded sheltered thinker such as yourself.

Crime commented against one is against all.

I find gmiller agressive, racial and insulting and breaking repeatedly the rules of civil conducts

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Lets pass to vote to ban his account using the plus "for" or minus "against" on the side "of this comment"

I really think writers who state that the DR is a failed state or country know little about the DR ,,regrettably there are so many different factors in stories like this one and I agree that you can not draw conclusions until all the facts are known . it may have an effect on tourism in the Puerta Plata / Sosua area but i doubt it
There are tourists who come here with fairly poor intentions such as having as much sex with as many people as possible, drinking until totally drunk, taking drugs and never paying sufficient and inevitably there will be some problems and maybe this is just such a case .
It is not very often that a shooting or knifing does not have a background story.. and if you go to all the cheap popular holiday resorts the problems are the same .

I have visited sosua and find it to be a great place to do business in. Having said that a friend of mine had a confrontation with a local and Politour took the side of the local not the tourist without having all the facts. My friend was intimidated and gave in .
The police have to take a more proactive position in protecting the foreing investors and the local government has to provide oportunities for the dominicans to move up and be more involve in the development of the country.

As another friend will say "DR is not a poor country just a rich country poorly managed"

I love DR. even with all the problems it faces

Costambar....

Costambar is a little place that the DR has forgotten...

It is really nice, but there is no one there!!!!

Just Barba Negra & El Mundo

They are both fairly safe places'.....

Something smells with this one....sic

"The DR Police must focus on crimes commented against Tourist, after all it's the tourist dollars that make the DR in the first place, for without them the DR will sink in a much deeper hole"

Let's take that a step further. Just as important as LE resources are child development resources. Look at another place where tourism accounts for major GDP share: St. Maarten. Much smaller, I know but education resources share top priority with LE and it's worked to create a skilled worker base to support their growing tourism, banking and government sectors. This has worked so well that they have to import temporary workers to handle unskilled or semi skilled positions. Aruba is another example of this.

Give a child a chance and they'll probably opt to do the right thing. These murderers were once innocent youths. The system

"There are tourists who come here with fairly poor intentions such as having as much sex with as many people as possible, drinking until totally drunk, taking drugs and never paying sufficient and inevitably there will be some problems and maybe this is just such a case ."

There's a word for this: VACATION

Go to any tourist desination in or out of the U.S. and you will find this. Ever been to Vail, CO during bunny season or Lake Tahoe in the Summer? Ocho Rios? Cancun? Las Vegas?

Why should the DR expect a different type of tourist activity from these places?

just a word of caution here. before we let loose with the condemnation of Dominicans as barbarous savages, we need to examine the moving parts here. i know a guy who was a buddy ofr the norwegian. he reports to me, reliably so, that this was a wonderful guy, but very indiscreet in his movements. he could be found at all hours of the night, in the seediest of places, looking for ladies of easy virtue. your safety depends largely upon where you go, and when you go there. it also depends on whom you let into your home. these guys bring questionable women in for a tryst, and the women get picked up by their ¨cousins¨on the motoconcho. primo is really an accomplice, casing the joint. soon, the foreigner ends up maimed or dead at the hands of some girl who ¨loved him long time¨. foreigners have lived here fror a quarter of a century, with their most severe injury being a cut they got in the barber´s chair.

You can take this as the gospel from Dread as it has happened to him many times and would you believe with the same girl .....you would think he would learn his lesson ....but he is just crazy about Belkis and keeps going back for more

Hey!
Dreadlocks is absolutely correct in his summary of the DR!
Guess what?
The DR is just like any country in the world!
Lots of bad people and tons of good people!!!!
Fortunately all I have met are the good people
and I have met hundreds!
I guess I am just lucky?
Have fun & pay for what you get!

How exactly did we let situation in Puerto Plata and Sosua sink so low?

These destinations use to be the jewels in the crown 15-30 years ago. Lots of beaches and natural beauty, with tall Isabel de Torres mountain in background and azure waters of the Atlantic.

People were nice and hospitable and way, way beteer than capitalenos.

Was there over-building of cheesy resorts, immigration of undesirables, etc?

What did it?

Please jump in, for we need to understand this failure in order to preclude it from reoccurring somewhere else. We clearly don't wish to repeat history, especially bad history.

Thank you.

MJEV.

ones again gmiller proves his ignorance with his anti dominican rants , and his god awful repetive broken record quotes saying dominican republic is fail state and his favorete anti leonel empty suite. g miller you fucking fag why dont you come up
with something more original for ones you closet haitian

hellborn25,

I’ll come up with new material when you and your Dominican brethren acquire a modicum of integrity.

Which will never happen.

I’ll come up with new material when you and your Dominican brethren acquire a modicum of integrity.

Which will never happen. so according to you all dominicans have no integrity g miller, are you serious ?

Oh, I should clarify for the “vulgarity is the implement of the ignorant”.

“acquire” does not mean kill or steal, it is impossible to get integrity that way.

glomarE ..Sosua and all to the east are still a very nice places and 99.9 % of visitors have no problems but some people really seem to almost invite trouble,, and of course we only hear bad news and I am one of the few conveyors of good news and views on this site

Lack of Morals & Values in our present societies. Many extranjeros and Dominicans seek out the worst the DR has to offer. That can easily be found and cheaply had in Boca Chica and Sosua (and their near surroundings). Both areas are HOLES/PITS for most visitors, except those who seek the darker side of pleasures, whom find these cesspools their paradise. Yes, there are a few a few nice places in the Sosua area, but personally, I would never consider visiting or residing there, under any circumstance.

My sympathies to the families that have lost their loved ones. May the victims RIP.

This cannot be good for the tourism efforts in these two shady areas of the DR.

Mano Dura Cono... Acaben con esos hijo de tutas

dont get all philosophical on me to avoid the racist remark you just made pal , the fact is you said all dominicans are nothing more then propina taking corrupted inbred scumbags with no integraty g miller when you say dominicans that also includes everybody that comes here to this website.

Where is ateo ? Why he doesn't comment this article?

Wow!
A lot of you people sound like intellectual racist idiots!
Why don't you just accept the 1% fact & move on!
(To a good life or vacation in the DR)
In case you don't know what the 1% is: 1% of humans are really bad.

@gmilla

Why would someone who thinks so little of the Dominican Republic and her people spend so much time on a Dominican news site? WTF?? Just don't go there if it's such a problem for you.

Trolling for what, exactly?? Did you once get jilted by your Dom Boyfriend?

According to the report by the CBC the two men from Quebec entered their private villa in Sosua with two Haitain women, and a witness said that one of the women left the door to the villa open.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal....ed-in-the-dominican-republic.html

Personally, I love Sosua. I have stayed there sevaral times and will be there next week. It is a great place to wonder around during the day time: lots of shops, restaurants, and bars/cafes with a beautiful and vibrant local beach. I have met many nice locals in the town--Dominicans and Haitians--and find it to be a friendly place. I have stayed at Bavaro and Playa Dorado and, although very beautiful, found them to be relatively sterile environments. I won't let these few incidences alter my view of Sosua.

I will not let these incidences change my view of Sosua. Common sense prevails when visiting Sosua (or anywhere else for that matter), be respectful towards the people.

Portefaix I believe is your right as a Canadian would be tourist to demand safety there. My advice to you is to write a letter demanding an investigation into the murder and ask for corrective measures. Believe me if enough people demand action or threaten to boycott, they will take notice. POP is in so much trouble that very drastic measures must be taken or they risk loosing this area to tourism for good.

I have found Sosua to be safe during the day.

If you venture out into the night in Sosua then either go out with a large group of people, or if you are alone or with a friend, then please take a motoconcho from your place of residence to your destination and, afterwards, take a motoconcho back to your residence. Motoconchos are plentiful and are cheap. If you are concerned about their safety just ask the driver to drive slower (mas despacio, por favor).

It is unfortunate that these incidences happened, however I will always return to Sosua and the Dominican Republic.

I am pretty sure that if those poor fellows were Dominicans, all the hatemongers fingers and comments would have already pointed toward Haitians. Sooner or later, the Dominican Republic will experiment with Mexico faith. I hope you still have the idea to erect your border wall, because we wouldn't want the ongoing drug war to spill over the border to our country. Anyway, we know how to scare the hell out of those drug traffickers assh*les.

VERDAD SAID.....Sosua is filthy, a bastion for criminals, both foreign and domestic. unless you are very rich and live gated, or with security. The poor see the wealth, they are hungry, living hand to mouth in charamicos, la union, islabon, surviving on hand outs from tourist. These things will happen whenever you put the extremely wealthy alongside the extremely poor. ciao ciao sinceramente La Verdad.
SO THIS GIVES U THE RIGHT TO KILL?
HEY! LOTS OF PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD ARE POOR, WHO THE HELL DO U THINK U ARE?
SO IM POOR LET ME KILL THE RICH..... KISS MY ASS "IDIOT"

(sorry for my english)
The republic Dominican is second places to the world (after the Thailand for tourism sexual pedophilia) many tourist takes advantage of the vulnerability of the poorer person of country. time which the country will be represent as a place or we can make that we want (the proof Hells angels resulting from Sherbrooke, Montreal and trois riviere are established since one there 10 groins years) it will have event as the one there the who is going to take place.

(I come from to Hato Mayor but leave Montreal seen 25 year a go)

sh===t i, last week when one tourists was missing for one week and then they found him... all where laughing....
but i wrote that "many gringos and tourists have been robbed some killed in the pop area.... this is not new........
hope they all stop coming to the dr......then you will really see "poor people"
lots of dominicans make a living off the gringos with out killing them.
why would u kill the goose that laid the golden egg.?
stupid people really stupid...... really stupid very stupid and u know this dont u?

My family leave in a poverty which you n will never dare imagine then I took you of calm down

The golden egg be not accessible for most part of the population. Im furious to see that my sister work in an Italian factory for 1000 pesos (approximately $40 American) a week, im furious to see that country becomes corrupt because money are to distribute for the active persons outside of the country and not for the good of the population. The hunger means the means. It's a pity but the distress which is ignored eventually transformed into hatred and into Jealousy.

"The poor see the wealth, they are hungry, living hand to mouth in charamicos, la union, islabon, surviving on hand outs from tourist. These things will happen whenever you put the extremely wealthy alongside the extremely poor. ciao ciao sinceramente La Verdad."

And I thought all the misery the Republic Dominican is facing came from us Haitians. No my friends, what is happening to your people is the fact that their politicians are selling the country to the highest bidder and they pocket the money. In fact, with the amount of money it has borrowed from the IMF and the mammoth sums of money generated by the illicit drug trafficking, this country should be in better economic shape.

Keep dreaming and stop opening your eyes and see the reality check that this country has been trying to cash for quite some times now.

Oh!!! F** NOW in Norway they are going to advise people not to come to DR, and our reputation goes down as a tourist destination thanks to this anti-social bastards!!!, they must be cough and hang!

You want to kill someone. Kill your government.

99% of them are corrupt amoral swine.

Foreigners did not make the poor people, your government did and they keep them poor by keeping them ill-educated.

Stop blaming other people or countries.

That pig Segrua had how many ‘friends’ working in one of the most important sector of any country? He has the integrity of a gnat and he has forced the poor to live in the stone age.

"Two haitian women were with gagne"
so, oupala your people strike again.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal....ed-in-the-dominican-republic.html
Don't shoot the messenger, shoot the sources.
Somehow I knew the TERMITE people had something to do with it, after all puerto plata is loaded with them; a few months a go a haitian killed a german tourist to get his motocicle.

you are right the government are corrupted and strongly support by the United States.
Personally I do not put the fault on the others. They are internal problems but these internal problems are strongly support by countries which trade with the republic Dominican. Dominican people have to react and starts again the power of their countries by chasing away Dominican who one to decide to betray their root for contacts and some money.

gmiller...... your on the BALL TODAY GOOD THOUGHTS.

You want to kill someone. Kill your government.

thank u........ and again so your poor.... your sister works for low wages..... one writer wrote.... STILL U HAVE NO RIGHT TO KILL.
OR TAKE SOMES ONES LIFE.... THATS LEFT UP TO GOD TO DECIDE.... NOT POOR PEOPLE OR FOLKS THAT WORK FOR LOW WAGES.
HAVE A GOOD DAY IN THE LAND MADE OF SMOKE AND MIRRORS..... WHERE NOTHING IS FOR REAL

"Written by: Esteban, 5 Jan 2010 6:03 PM
The golden egg be not accessible for most part of the population. Im furious to see that my sister work in an Italian factory for 1000 pesos (approximately $40 American) a week, im furious to see that country becomes corrupt because money are to distribute for the active persons outside of the country and not for the good of the population. The hunger means the means. It's a pity but the distress which is ignored eventually transformed into hatred and into Jealousy. "

What a crock! There are 1000's of examples of Dominica people living in poverty, worse than yours, and who them pulled themselves up and became successful without Government assistance. I bet even in that "Italian Factory" your sister works in there have been employees who started on the bottom and have moved up.
Stop blaming others for your failures. And stop using jealousy as an excuse to be a criminal.

This is a very sad and horrible incident. My condolences go out to the families and friends of the victims.
The Norwegian guy was robbed of 26K peso according to his family.
However, I do not think this will lead to less tourists coming from Norway or the rest of Scandinavia. This kind of incidents are taking place all over the world, unfortunately. It is impossible to prevent psycopats from killing, but it is possible to create a more just distibution of wealth among people, so that somebody out of utter desperation dont get the idea of robbing others to feed their loved ones.
Lets hope the killers get what they deserve.
http://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/article2791511.ece

Quite a few weeks ago, there was a debate that posted many negative comments about tourists staying only in "their" all inclusive hotel facility. I agree that those who do this see and learn nothing of the DR. However, such incidents are not very reassuring for tourists, mostly those going for a first time, or who just have 1-2 weeks a year of holidays abroad, or with children. It's not the same for those who have family in the country. We travelled MANY times with our kids in the last 22 years, in some of the most remote areas possible. They even went alone and lived in a family to learn Spanish. I don't think I would do it now and our children wouldn't do what we did with their own. Even those small remote villages are invaded by gangs and streets are no longer safe. It's such a pity.

participation in this anti-terrorist activity.

God bless Canada !


It is your patriotic duty to pass this on.

WALK NAKED IN CANADA DAY
No, wait, tttttttooo cccccold tttttoday.


Don't forget to mark your calendars. As you may already know, it is a sin for a Muslim male to see any woman other than his wife naked. He must commit suicide if he does. So next Saturday at 4 PM Eastern Standard Time, all Canadian women are asked to walk out of their house completely naked to help weed out any neighbourhood terrorists. Circling your block for one hour is recommended for this anti-terrorist effort.

All patriotic men are to position themselves in lawn chairs in front of their house to prove they are not Muslims and to demonstrate they think its okay to see nude women other than their wife and to show support for all Canadian women.

Since Islam also does not approve of alcohol, a cold 6-pack at your side is further proof of your anti-Muslim sentiment. The Canadian government, even when it is pro-rogued, appreciates your efforts to root out terrorists and applauds your participation in this

Cup-of-Pala:

The report clearly says:two haitians girls were with the guy who got killed and it also says they let the door open.

Did they left the door intentionally open?

we'll see...

So, again, you put you foot in your mouth, so either... keep your foot in, or your mouth shut!.

Tommy ..I am not sure how that comment is at all helpful

"Did they left the door intentionally open?"


Ummmm...errrr....YES!!!

How else were their accomplices going to get in and commit the robbery and subsequent murder?

This was planned way ahead. $700 will buy a lot of prestige and mud cookies.

ScandiViking, thanks for a measured posting. however, as i said, when you have the kind of money this guy had, and a lot of it is in your house, then take a few hundred of those pesos and spend it on a cabana. do not let them know where you live.

"This was planned way ahead. $700 will buy a lot of prestige and mud cookies."

I know that the Dominicans are lazy and heavy drinkers of presidente, however, I did not know that they used to eat mud pie like we Haitians do. Things look really desperate overhere by your side folks. LOL LOL LOL LOL

Once again we use the success the hundreds of person who was poor and who they her have becomes moldy to succeed to speak about laziness in the case of those who does not succeed in spite of their effort.
Why think you beautiful pendeo that I livee in Canada to be able to sleep with whites chicks. I work hardly so that the members of I families falls in the dark side. bring out the head of your wall disney books . You think that you American ghetto are filled of person who is born with hope to become a gangster pfff. Environment of or kept silent life makes you begin more low than the others been born in an environment healthier. Yes be sad that this man died. But do not tell me that never happen in your respective countries. In Canada or I leave there are resources so that a poor person can make a success. In certain square of the DR we do not make enough positive propaganda for that the young people stay in the school and many very young Dominican have children and work for to b

(Suite)
young Dominican have children and work for to be able to help their families.

Tommy... lol... your comment has no connection to this topic... hihi... how many beer you have had? ...can I help you finish the "caisse" of beer? ...and we will have a good talk!!!

Please, dont bring hatrude to anyone... it is excatly the energy that creates wars and separations in this world. Instead of "being against" something... why dont you start "being for" something... héhé... other then nude women dancing around the block...

By the way... dont you already know that muslims are the perfect scapegoats and all these wars "are created" for power and energy? ...that the "petrol" is in their countrys? ...dont you see the "conflict of interest of personal interest of politicians like the bushes" and to "who" belongs the corporate power? ...dont you see that this world is all under corporative power with no frontier?

What I see about the DR government, is curruption that allowed the Hell Angels to live in the country and leads to commit crime for fast money to pay for drugs.

Why morons on here continue to compare to the US is beyond me. Happened in DR, to Canadian and European, by Dominican or possibly Haitian yet morons drag in the US an Dominicans claiming to live in the US but being DOminican sucking off the tit of the US really makes me laugh.

I have to actually argree to the generalization that Dominicans are NOT a moral people and take amazing advantage of foreigners and believe it is a right and that goes for the people, Police, Judges and Polititians.

There may be a few good apples but we are stereotyping and generalizing here.

So to summerize Dominicans are a Morally corrupt people and I will stand by that statement and be happy to argue it with anyone politely.

Why dont you Dominicans, "order" your governement to conduct a large investigation on "how" the Hell Angels got to live in The Republic... and jaill all corrupted officials who gets little regular envelopes... and to invesrtigate on all their activities, jail them and send them back to Canada so that they join their friend jailled here from our governement who ordered this massive cleaning at their chapters in Sherbrooke, Trois Rivières and Montreal. ...this would show "a real" war to corruption from the DR government and that would be some harmony with their purchase of planes to fight drug... but why do they buy planes when "they know" and do nothing about the Hells on your territory? ...hum...hum

Do You know that you don’t need a passport to go to DR just 2 ID card then to be easy for all criminal to pave to leave in DR. Italian Mafia and Hells invests a lot in Dr in casino and hotel.
And for the government the sexual tourism are more paying than the family tourist. Then why to stop two things which make turn up economy. Its my opinion why the government makes nothing.

If anything this two foreigners derserved getting murder, we all know they where picking up prostitutes or buying drugs, when you do dirt you get dirt , you gotta watch the people you assosiated yourself with, it is quite obvious that this canadian and norwegian used very poor judgement when they where picking up tricks at night and anybody that actually believes that they were killed ramdomly is very naive and stupid

Canadian news states the House has a 12 foot fence and was gated and secured by a guard. The culprits which included the guard broke into the first apt.tied and pistol wiped a male and stole his cell phone, watch and money. Left went to his buddies apt. and fired two shots one killing Gagne the past 5 years more Canadians have been murdered in the DR than in Mexico (12).that is a fact. Look at the population sizes and compare..not pretty my friends. New travel warnings out about Canadians heading to the DR..This will hurt a already hurting country.We are not perfect up here but at least you know what areas are safe or not. Jane Finch in Toronto at night in the park..every one knows its not a good idea. Travelers in a resort community should feel safe especially in there GATED, SECURE, GUARDED CONDO. I walk in and out of Cabarete along the beach late at night with my wife,I will think twice. I always felt safe..now its open season on tourists.

Agreed Hellborn! You roll in the mud enough you are going to get dirty. I spend a substantial amount of time in the DR on both vacation and because of work. There is a high level of property crime (stealing) but very little personal crime (assault / murder / armed robbery). Property crime is understandable because there is no social safety net in the DR like the North American and European countries - so matters get taken into peoples own hands. I count myself very fortunate and very blessed to have come into contact with some of the finest people that I have ever met and - they are from the Dominican Republic. They may be poor but their skill sets, morality level and attitude are top shelf! Tourists have to use some prudence and caution and most importantly - keep it in their pants and quit thinking with the little head!

hellborn25/Canuck_1

You two are pathetic. You think anyone should get killed for hookers and/or drugs. What kind of pea-brained education did you get?

And NO ONE thinks it is random. It is the Dominican vultures with their inbred entitlement mentality that caused this horrific crime. And they will go unpunished because Dominicans just do not have the integrity to see this as a crime against them.

You cant justify a KILLING because some one was with a Hooker! IF in fact they were; they at least were in there own room... I cant tell you how often I have seen Foreign White males screwin some Hooker broad day light on the Cabaretebeach while families and kids walk by.
Now that is just wrong..unacceptable..

Its sad but DR prostitutes are like Amsterdam's Hash bars. They are accepted..Commen sense needs to prevail. The Majority of the DR people are awesome..Its the Violent minority that kills it for everyone..Canada is no different in that sense..You don't read Canadian papers and read about glorious rightious things..that wouldn't sell papers. The shocker here is the relativley small DR populas with the High crimes against tourist..which lets face it, is a huge economic source for the DR.

["This was planned way ahead. $700 will buy a lot of prestige and mud cookies."

I know that the Dominicans are lazy and heavy drinkers of presidente, however, I did not know that they used to eat mud pie like we Haitians do."]

sorry...I was insinuating that because the putas were Haitian that they would spend their take from the heist on Prestige (Haitian beer) and mud cookies (eaten by starving Haitians to fend off intestinal damage caused by digestive acids. I may have been a bit insensitive there.

Note to all...it is not illegal to sell punani (over 18) in the D.R....you can't advertise it, pimp it or push it but you CAN sell it legally.

The folks who speculate that these guys were doing something unlawful are wrong. Anyone who thinks that they've been getting punani 4 free is too stoopid to argue with. You pay 4 it all 1 way or another...
...unless you're gay

Hey porty!
Lighten up, it was a joke, in bad taste of course, but
a joke nevertheless!
Have fun!
My "being for" is to try & tell a lot of very One-sided
people that 99% of Dominican people are good!

@ pleasuretour
Right Is not illegal to getting punani in DR and its true the sexuality is not seen in the same way as in the other countries (like Canada and USA) or we shout has the decay when we see one boobs in the TV. (Really Funny because for a part of the population Hugh Hefner are a national hero lol) to be it's a pity to notice that DR are for a part of world population is only a place or the young man and women (10 years old and more) make blow job for 10$ CDN. Certain Travel agencies make the promotion of that in Montreal. But it s a fact the Dominican Have the warm blood lol. :P

Haha - I can't wait for them to blame it on those evil Haitians.


It looks to me like the truth is finally starting to come out, which is that the DR is not the prosperous paradise it claims to be. The killings are as a result to the widening rich/poor gap that exist in the DR.

The lush resorts continue to mask the reality of poverty in the country, but the truth will come out sooner or later, just like the reality of America's poor was unveiled during Hurricane Katrina.


I've visted some Canadian websites and I heard two pay say they're canceling their trip to the DR. And once man warned others not to go because he was robbed in broad daylight last year.

SIGH.

It's always sad when it comes to any lost of life. I hope more comes out about these "thugs" and if they had any kind of relationship/friendship with the victims. I lived in Santo Domingo for 4 year's and one thing that i learned quickly being an american, you need to circle yourself with people you can fully trust,which is not alway easy. There are lots of bad people, but there are many good one's too.

I do agree with some of the replies. DR has to do a better job in making "Tourist" more Safe. A friend of mine was murdered over a year ago in Santo Domingo. He was missing for 2 months and later found buried under his house and cover with cement. The Caretaker and a Policeman was involed.

The word is already out that DR.can be a dangerous place to travel and evently people will START TO LISTEN and stop coming, which equals to loss of dollars for this country.

ranaru, oupala=the perfect example of the negroide mentality.

msjersey,

("ranaru, oupala=the perfect example of the negroide mentality.")


Are the Dominicans racists?

Oh no! They are the most educated, wealthy, hospitable and racially harmonious nation in the Carribean and maybe in the whole world. LOL LOL LOL LOL

Once again my friends, you can't escape your true nature. For you can dress a pig with a 5000 dollars outfit, but it will rush to a muddy pond at the very first occasion, and you've just proved that my friend. However, in order not to be impolite, I must return you the compliment by saying :

"msjersey and people who think like him == stupid usual latino jerks with no proper national identity, which makes them feel constantly inferior to the others"

Esteban, thanks for sharing the fact that you are living in a place where you get to sleep with 'white chicks|" your trophy is in the mail.

@dreadlocks
LOL
Yes I know my English are really bad. I speak spanish and french but I try to learn english
What I wanted to say is : you think that I live in Canada for sleep with white girls. No, I am here to work for that my family who live in Hato mayor does not miss anything.
But I accept the trophy thanks a lot :P

It is little to no surprise for me to learn about such an unfortunate incident. However, this or any such tragedy that involves tourists is nothing but an eventual consequence bound to happen sooner then latter. This is because the area has traditionally attracted low-end tourism. The quality and level of foreign visitors, which patronize this region leaves much to be desired and as such attracts an equally sleasy native element. You combine the two together, plus a lack of government control and it becomes a perfect formula for disaster, evident with the dramatic increase in crime. It is a shame to see what has happened to Sosua in recent decades. It was once a safe, beautiful, clean and pristine beach area, yet today reaks of sleaze and social grime. We can easily observ the eyesores of make-shift stalls built-up all along the beach perimeter, a string of whore houses, water front hotels constructed without regard to building code, litter all over and minimal environmental protection

I wonder if the killers were really Dominicans.

I could bet they were Haitians.

msjersey:

As if you're not a "negroid." One thing I love about many Dominicans is their tendency to deny their African ancestry. You were African before you were Spaniards, and you'll always be Africans. I present you with the facts, and you dismiss them with racist gibberish.

You obviously harbor a lot of self-hate, which I believe is a disease. Your supposed superiority is a figment of your imagination. It's silly so let it go.

Funny though, many Americans with warped minds like yourself see Dominicans as trash who come to America to work as housekeepers, have multiple children, and run up the welfare system. But now your country experience an artificial economic boom and somehow you think you're better than your neighbors?

If that is how you're able to cope with your insecurities, then go ahead, as you have the right to remain ignorant, uneducated, and stupid.

poponlaburra:

You can continue to blame your shortcomings on Haitians instead of taking responsibility for yourselves, but that won't solve the poverty, rampant prostitution, child labor, exploitation in your country, which is being masked by lush beaches and resorts.


And before you decide to down others, make sure no Dominicans are escaping their paradise to go work for chump change in other countries.

Last year some Haitian sailors saved two Dominican boatpeople from drowning in the sea, so Haitians can't be that bad. It's funny how the DR boatpeople are still in existence, risking their lives to escape their paradise.


The crime in South Florida is often blamed on Dominicans who many claim have tons of babies so that they can remain in welfare and get food stamps. So what's the difference between the way Dominicans are treated in the US and Haitians are treated in the DR?

I've never seen such high level of false pride in my life.

ranaru, those were strong comments, but a lot of that is so true. I observe this first hand while living in this country. They want the Champagne first, but don't want to work hard for it.

esteban, please accept my profound apology for misconstruing your posting. and, i have called UPS , requesting that they return the trophy to the sender, at my expense. have a great life.

and, poponlaburra, baseless speculation intended to affix culpability to haitians in this case, does nothing more than invite rancor and insults on both sides. it is both counterproductive, and counterintuitive. your distaste for Haitians is the world's worst kept secret, and that is your constitutional right. but to SPECULATE, in the complete absence of any kind of corroborating evidence, that these people were done in by haitans is not very adult behavior.

to all......that could of been anyone or anyone's loved one !

thieves and murders come in all shapes, sizes, color, ethnicity, religion, nationality and gender.

let us all just hope that all those involved are arrested and brought to trial and when found guilty...........hung from the nearest mango tree.

my thoughts and prayers go out to the victims families.

I remember a Cuban friend use to say, "yo no digo que to lo Haitiano roban, pero to lo que roban e Haitiano."

great posting above, guillermone. all hail guillermone.

Thanks DREAD, LOL!!!!!