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Santo Domingo.- UN Program for Development (UNPD) local representative Valerie Julliand affirmed Thursday that to improve its economic growth levels and social situation, Dominican Republic needs a change of mentality, which in her view can be reached by educating the young, who are 50% of the population.

She said Dominican Republic “is a country of contrasts: it’s one thing and the opposite of that same thing” because despite economic growth nearly as high as China’s, the social situation doesn’t improve likewise. “The problem is that this economic growth doesn’t coincide with the rate of social growth, for two reasons: wealth wasn’t distributed in the same manner and spending in the social sector hasn’t been proportional either to the growth”

She said the country hasn’t grown economically and socially at the same pace, “but we cannot say that the country has not grown in the social sectors.”

Julliand said the UNPD’s information for the last 20 years shows that all the countries have grown in social terms, including Dominican Republic, the problem is that in the Dominican social case it hasn’t grown in pace with most countries because of lower social spending.

Interviewed by Pablo McKinney on CDN channel 37, the UN official said the authorities understand and know the imbalance which the sustained growth in the economic aspect implies and the slight improvement in the social sphere.

When asked why despite the UNPD’s yearly studies don’t perceives firm actions to brake Dominican Republic’s poverty, the diplomat noted that both leaders and citizens “need to change their mentalities” to change a situation. “There have been changes in the country’s structure, there are very good laws, we have modernized the country incredibly, but what hasn’t changed is the way the system is handled.”

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Written by: Atabey, 2 Dec 2010 12:37 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
"the problem is that in the Dominican social case it hasn’t grown in pace with most countries because of lower social spending."

Holding firm to the Constitutional law which stipulates 4% as a minimum funding level would go hand in hand with the policy change needed in DR. Again, I state MINIMUM; as I think a more meaningful 6% of PIB should guide the developmental needs of the nation. Sad that LF doesn't see it this way. The Eastern tigers grew with both productive and educational/social spending. The DR has to learn this, accept it, and Yes there will have to be less cream for the top.
Written by: RobertoJose, 2 Dec 2010 12:39 PM
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island......blues, stripe bass and now doormats
As leo stays quiet and thinking of a new Photo Op to attend.

Open criticism is wonderfull, to bad Leo will contest it and say the country is against him
Written by: dreadlocks, 2 Dec 2010 12:39 PM
From: United States
well. her answers show why she is a diplomat. otherwise, she would have spelt it out in straight terms. like saying that the country remains socially in the stone age because it is governed by incorrigibly dishonest people, who have no vision, and are just interested in maintaining a status quo , in which a very few have all the good stuff, and the majority have nothing, which helps to explain why, even with this ëconomic growth¨, it remains behind little places like St Vincent, St Kitts, and just about all of the countries in the Lesser Antilles in just about every human measurement category.
Written by: CarlosFranco, 2 Dec 2010 12:44 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn

“The problem is that this economic growth doesn’t coincide with the rate of social growth, for two reasons: wealth wasn’t distributed in the same manner and spending in the social sector hasn’t been proportional either to the growth”

In a nutshell: WE NEED SOCIALISM BABY!

Written by: jcl_67, 2 Dec 2010 12:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic
as long as these monkeys at the top stay in power thats what will remain of us, the more money spent on economic growth the more they will be able to steal and thats where the sad truth lies they want to make sure that econimily only the rich get richer and poor well who gives a f*ck, keep them illiterate
Written by: guillermone, 2 Dec 2010 12:51 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
CarlosFranco-SOCIALISM??

Well..... I don't know.... I'm too sure about that,.
Would you consider or how about social democracy?
How does that sound to you?
Written by: Ricardolito, 2 Dec 2010 1:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Zona Colonial
I think that the comments are very straightforward and very obvious to everyone who visits or lives here ..but she is not correct about growth over the past 20 years because the 90,s are now seen as wasted years ,,,but definitely over the past decade that I have lived here , I have seen huge indications that the middle class is growing but the poor are being left behind and I am sure must of this is because there has been too much emphasis on infrastructure and not enough on social programmes such as clean water, education and health care .
As I have said before , it is almost evil not to have programmes that will enable a vast number of people to live better ,,,and yes the government and the wealthy people here are both to blame for only thinking of themselves.
Written by: dreadlocks, 2 Dec 2010 1:10 PM
From: United States
Ricardolito, kudos to you on that posting. yes, the roads are now all nice and paved, the overpasses are lovely, and all that good stuff is in place. by virtue of those developments, the contractors, hardware salsemen, engineers, and all who are connected to the building trades, have made fortunes. so have the sellers of real estate. on the obverse side of the coin. the average joe can barely find enough to feed the family, and his kids cannot read the neon signs which accompany the imported business concerns , like IKEA. boom , my ass!
Written by: VeronicaDR, 2 Dec 2010 2:02 PM
From: United States
Until our corruption problems are dealt with we will always be a land of lawlessness laughed at by the international community. The only investors we get are shady ones looking to exploit others or launder money. No honest business people are making money when they have to pay bribes. Property can be stolen from anyone and in cases where it is valuable property you can be killed if you don't sign over the ownership.
Written by: old_school_trinitario, 2 Dec 2010 2:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
The real reason why she can't see the head is because the head is inside of our own a-hole.

as long as the head continues to be el conceptualizador de villa juana we will never have a head , it will always be inserted inside our own backside or inside some other cavity in the region.
Written by: jarabacoa, 2 Dec 2010 3:19 PM
From: United States
the goverment only goal its development! this is crazy.
Written by: JPDTrinity, 2 Dec 2010 3:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic, I dislike all politicians and their afiliated parties... "I simply say it AS IT IS!!"
So, the big question is?

Who can get us there?

Who can bring DR up to speed with social programs, wealth, and all the goodies working together?

Please enlighten me...
Written by: guillermone, 2 Dec 2010 4:00 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
"Who can bring DR up to speed with social programs........."'

Just one observation, even if we make a gigantic gains in social services for the poor, who do you think will benefit the most and will have an even greater incentive to take advantage of our free health , education and welfare? Who do you think? Take a guess, give up?

Our neighbors next door

Maybe this is one reason why Leo has held back on the money. Some one else going to get teh money anyway, so might just as well keep it for me and my friends.
Written by: Yucahu, 2 Dec 2010 4:08 PM
From: United States, Miami
The good people in the DR need to continue fighting just like the yellow shirts will on Monday! I hope they keep pushing not just for a 4%, but for a 10% increase in Education. The cholera epidemic is a blessing in disguise (sorry Haitians, not your fault). It's causing a deeper look within. The tourism industry is threatened. The good people in DR need to stick together and protest and maybe, just maybe we can get a better government than the previous one's.
Written by: Atabey, 2 Dec 2010 4:16 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
JPDTrinity,



Well, I'm not sure it's a single person that will bring this about. The governing class or for lack of a better word, the elite, have to address this situation and not shy away from the implications involved. They have to come together and accept the facts: DR can continue its path of great growth but with a great underclass of Dominicans ill-housed and ill-fed growing within its underbelly. And that scenario has gross instability built in its formulation. So, let's say that the governing class decides that for the sake of a better future and overall prosperous DR certain changes governing taxes on the wealthy and other members of the society need to go towards funding the social programs, education-clean water-sanitation,etc., needed to uplift the DR to acceptable international standards. This systemic shift will be reflected in the party system platforms but more so in the governing ethos of the political and civic leadership of the nation.
Written by: Atabey, 2 Dec 2010 4:25 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Written by: guillermone, 2 Dec 2010 4:00 PM
From: United States
"Who can bring DR up to speed with social programs........."'

Your observation is in keeping with a certain Frenchman's observation to the same effect that the great flow of poor migrants from the East have on the prospects for uplifting the stock of poor Dominicans into the middle class. His observations basically called into question that DR could ever produce a meaningful uplift of her own citizens while accepting hundreds of thousands of far poorer and less educated migrant flows.
Hopefully, the political leadership in Haiti does right AND FINALLY begins to address the even great travesty of inhumanity committed against their citizens by the elite. IF this change takes place, NOT AN ASSURED OUTCOME, then perhaps there is Sun light at the end of the tunnel. And Haiti's future betterment will allow more of her people to claim their space and prosperity within Haiti proper. Thus alleviating the strain on DR.
Written by: lovingit, 2 Dec 2010 4:53 PM
From: United States, Delaware
I never thoght I would see the day when I agree with everyone's comment's so far, including with those that are usually on the right track but exaggerate things too much (Yes VeronicaDR, that would be you) or those that seem to be following some sort conspirancy theories (dreadlocks that would be you) But, you know, everybody has their own personality and I love you all for that, even the ones I never agree with :-)

I guess my only disagreement would be with guillermone thus far.

JPDTrinity
"Who can get us there?

Who can bring DR up to speed with social programs, wealth, and all the goodies working together?"

Well J, that would be us, "El Pueblo", "The People". We need to unite and be consistent to what we need for the future and stop thinking about only today, one-day bandwagon huelgas, etc.

We don't need SOCIALISM, it has not helped Venezuela. What we need is a SOCIAL REVOLUTION where poeple stand up and say "I AM FED UP AND DON'T WANT MY CHILDREN TO GROW UP LIKE ME"
Written by: PatDiamond, 2 Dec 2010 5:44 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Everybody seems to be on the same page on this issue that's wonderful. Here is the million dollar question with 30 to 40 cent of each tax dollar earned already going to debt servicing, 30% of the annual budget depend on foreign aid where will the necessary funds come from to meet the needs of social spending.I do not think those that are willing to lend to you will do so for social programs for there is no money to be made on that deal. With no natural resources avail to be exploited to make an impact( the types of deals China got going on with Africa best thing that could happen to the region) Is the Dominican business sector willing to play it's part to allow an increase in taxes to meet this challenge, I doubt you can achieve this by increase on personal income taxes( not enough)

I need some imput on this. Dread you are very familiar with Jamaica situation on the same issue. Atabey your view will be greatly appreciated also you too Ricky Bobby
Written by: Ricardolito, 2 Dec 2010 6:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Zona Colonial
Pat Diamond ,, I am just going to accept your figures and suggest to you that there are a variety of ways to make money available for social spending . The first is a change in direction and emphasis in the annual budget so that we allocate less for the army and civil projects and I think this will have to be done little by little . There are also the two ways you have mentioned ,Firstly appeal directly to rich countries,,,you mention China to directly fund some schools or maybe a university and also seek private industry , especially big ones such as Jumbo and the banks to fund specific projects .
The other ways to find the funds are 1 to improve the tax collection systems especially on the wealthy sector that are not wage earners but avoid tax ..such as agents . dealers etc 2 .to increase taxes on luxury items , 3 to roll over the existing debts for longer periods and finally and most obviously the eradication of wasted money such as in corruption and poor administration .
Written by: Ricardolito, 2 Dec 2010 6:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Zona Colonial
cont...and also very obviously to improve our exports especially now from gold etc where royalties are paid , Then with all those extra bickies in the can , we can educate and stay healthy as a nation .
and if maybe some sexual urges could be tempered there would be less of a problem with a lower birth rate
Written by: ElSuavecito, 2 Dec 2010 8:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago de los 30 Caballeros


Written by: Ricardolito, 2 Dec 2010 1:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Boca de Chavon

I have seen huge indications that the middle class is growing but the poor are being left behind and I am sure must of this is because there has been too much emphasis on infrastructure and not enough on social programmes such as clean water, education and health care .
As I have said before , it is almost evil not to have programmes that will enable a vast number of people to live better ,,,and yes the government and the wealthy people here are both to blame for only thinking of themselves.





Ricardolito,

You took the words right out of my mouth. And I swear it's true.

Written by: Atabey, 2 Dec 2010 10:34 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Ricardolito makes good points. Why the DR has yet to capitalize on their relationship with Germany for instance is beyond me; I mean, how is it that after so many years of diplomatic relations and having hosted a small community of German/Austrians from the horrors of WWII long in POP, the DR has not been able to attract a Deutsches Haus and other similar type of language institution! The synergy these institutions would have with our tourist sector and export sector is too plain for even the most closed minded of our elite to discount. Again, similar deals with China, France, Spain, Italy, Russia, etc. I say the more the better. Perhaps have each nation set-up camp in one city, say Santiago might host German with its tobacco connection from the 19th century. There are many possibilities. Sadly, with so many nations facing fiscal restraints getting this negotiated will be tough. Sadly, many of these Language houses could have been negotiated back in the 1970s and 80s!!
Written by: Perez, 3 Dec 2010 2:24 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Shoot, Valerie Julliand says it like it is!
Written by: PatDiamond, 3 Dec 2010 11:12 AM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
@Ricky
You have made some very good points. This must be the next phase of development for DR while it should have been the first( The Indian model of development). This issue most be address across party line a 20 years strategy plan. It took the Chinese 2000 years to strike the right note which lifted 40% of them out of poverty considering the fact all the upcoming growth In the world is expected to be from emerging market with the right leadership the tides can lift everyone in DR.
Written by: ArielFornari, 3 Dec 2010 12:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic
With all due respect to all participants-D.R. to me is like a bad imitation of Uncle Sam's permanent project of Anglo-American social darwinism introduced in the Caribbean, the Imperial Frontier, at the onset of the Spanish American War in 1898, in the Imperial Satrapy of "Macondo" (Puerto Rico to the unenlightened). With over 100 years of U.S. colonialism in P.R. and rampant and unchecked capitalism, P.R. still has a poverty rate of about 50% and a virtually permanent unemployment rate of at least double the Mainland. I would like somebody to explain to me, if Uncle Sam dumping zillions of greenbacks into P.R. for development for decades, hasn't solved that island's social ills, pray tell me how a necolonial state, with a reactionary oligarchy, is ever going to solve the D.R.'s problems?
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Dec 2010 12:42 PM
From: United States
easy one, Ariel. they will achieve a blissful state by introducing a new chain store every week. this week it is IKEA, next it is Papa John´s Pizza. by the time you cannot recognise the skyline, nirvana will have been arrived at.
Written by: ArielFornari, 3 Dec 2010 12:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic
dreadlocks-Try convincing the hundreds of millions of stil disenfranchised masses in our Continent with that infantile consumerist philosophy-if you can, then you got me convinced too! ;-)
Written by: Atabey, 3 Dec 2010 1:01 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
ArielFornari,

Nothing is certain, and past histories are just that, past histories. Yes, the US has for close to 100 years poured capital into PR and yet her, PR's, level of poverty AS MEASURED BY US STANDARDS, not by the STANDARDS OF LA, ojo!, is very high. Also, as you mention there are several other unfavorable social and economic developments and tendencies entrenched in PR's economic and cultural spheres. That said, I think that to compare DR and PR is somewhat an apples and oranges example. Here's why.

Firstly, PR was considered and defined by US authorities has OVERPOPULATED almost 100 years ago! Secondly, after WWII the industrialization of PR took place in real terms AND a crucial part of that developmental model was predicated on a massive wave of PR's residences moving into the core imperial center to find jobs and future opportunities. In other words, PR was never thought of as having a built-in, domestically sufficient basis for generating the required
Written by: Atabey, 3 Dec 2010 1:06 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
levels of employment opportunities and boarder economic wherewithal to allow for a full employment picture! The mainland and her vast wealth and opportunities was axiomatic in the original developmental model. To a great extent the DR too is another entity that given her size falls within the same parameters. Five times larger in size and having a population 2.5 times as great as PR, DR represents a far larger framework. Nevertheless, as with pre-Castro Cuba, DR is still relatively speaking small and the core imperial center is as central in the overall design and future projection of her economic development. If we allow ourselves to consider that DR shares the island of Hispaniola with a 10 million or so nation, Haiti, we then have a 20 million and growing population, more than all the other islands population! Thus, for economic planners and developmental economists the solutions involve greater capital investments in both sides, greater economic understanding and thinking
Written by: ElFactor, 3 Dec 2010 1:09 PM
From: United States
The same applies to all third world countries, including Jamaica Dreadlocks. Even the developed countries of the world have major economic problems. As long as life and everything else is based on money and not meeting the needs of humanity, the world will find itself in dire problems.
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Dec 2010 1:09 PM
From: United States
Ariel, take a quick gander at some of the remarks expressed in this, and other forums, celebrating the advent of yet another multinational consumer icon to these shores. look at forum topics, and feast your eyes on the resplendent photos of tall buildings, brand names like Cartier and Hugo Boss, and all the trappings of life by show and tell, and you will realise where people´s priorities lie. which is why when caribbean people go home for the christmas holidays, they rent expensive suits and jewelry, to show the kinfolk in the hinterlands back home just how well they are doing in the wondrous metropoli. they take photos of themselves standing beside the Bentleys that they wash for a living in West Palm Beach, and tell their nieces in the barrios that it really belongs to their housekeepers. sadly, hundreds of millions are disenfranchised in America, and in other places, but, apparently, not sufficiently disenchanted to demand change.
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Dec 2010 1:13 PM
From: United States
with all due respects, Atabey, would you mind explaining, in a language we can all understand, what the heck it is that you are trying to say?. i read your posting 5 times, and i consider myself a fairly literate guy. i cannot make head nor tail of what is supposed to be the gravamen. please shed some light on this. and, oh, the US has been involved with PR for more than a century.
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Dec 2010 1:16 PM
From: United States
El Factor informs

The same applies to all third world countries, including Jamaica Dreadlocks.

why, thank you , Factor. had you not made mention of it, i would probably have gone through life being unaware of such a basic concept. what would i do without your insights?
Written by: Atabey, 3 Dec 2010 1:23 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
To continue.

Ariel,

Thus, in the boarder outline, the economies of Haiti and the DR would be viewed by foreign capitalist as complementary and thought of as an island unit of operation. At least this is how an honest and future material development looks to me. Of course, several things need to happen before this state is reached in earnest: Haiti has to right her ship, and that's not a given. But if she were to straighten out her maladies and stabilize herself this future dual/complementary economic model has all the hallmarks of finding a niche in the Caribbean Division of Labor. And if things were to work out, more social spending in education, sanitation, potable water, housing, etc., watch out for this combo island economy has all the potential to become the epicenter of the Caribbean! The mainland populations, Diasporas of both nations and other capitalists would continue to pour capital and make their future retirement plans with the island in mind.
Written by: Atabey, 3 Dec 2010 1:24 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Again, this is still "pie in the sky" because SO MUCH must happen and be institutionalized before the trees begin to bear good fruit. But this movement for greater educational opportunities that DR's political and economic leadership has been forced to undertake has given me, at least on the Dominican side, a cautiously renewal hope that finally we are moving towards a more meaningful re-balancing of the economic pie. Giving the social sphere her rightful, if still underfunded, resource base.

Let's see if Haiti doesn't drop the baton that the international community has extended her IF the political game clears with the "understanding of principles" intact. 2011 may just be the start of something monumental in the history of the Caribbean!
Written by: Atabey, 3 Dec 2010 1:33 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Dready,

And BTW I did mark down your post! (Just in case you thought so.)

Now that I've finished. Still don't understand my thinking on the subject?
Written by: ElFactor, 3 Dec 2010 1:39 PM
From: United States
Dreadlocks, I'm just reminding you the obvious, you're so quick to display the D.R. as some quintessential third world country. when you come from, or have roots from a third world country yourself, namely Jamaica. The last time i checked, Jamaica is not an economic power. And please thread lightly for nobody has found a solution to the world's economic short-comings. Their will always be inequality in the world, as long as we rely on a system that is based on competition. With most countries not having the technical know how, and the few being successful in applying the know how.
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Dec 2010 1:44 PM
From: United States
Atabey, i really could care less whether people mark down my posts or not. i made reference to what CARIBBEAN PEOPLE, not Dominicans, do when they go home for the holidays. some guys, who have comprehension and adulthood issues get offended, and mark it down. should i care? am i supposed to be offended because people here vote against me because of personality issues? Manhattanite already said that DT is the ghetto of the internet, probably because of the number of morons here. what can i say?
Written by: Atabey, 3 Dec 2010 1:47 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Dready,

But as to the subject at hand, do you understand my point of view on the matter?
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Dec 2010 1:50 PM
From: United States
Factor, i am just as quick to characterise Jamaica as a third world country, when i post in a Jamaican site. as a matter of fact, i am more vitriolic in my condemnation of Jamaica, which i have stated many times has gone noticeably backward in its development. like it or not, Jamaica has a significant headstart on this country, in terms of education and institutions. it has no excuse for being mired in economic woes, having recently had to sell its national airline to Trinidad. Jamaica is the cutting edge country in the caribbean, in many respects. but its leadership is bereft of ideas, vision, and morality. so, what we have there is a mini version of what we have here.
Written by: ElFactor, 3 Dec 2010 2:23 PM
From: United States
Are you sure about that? Dreadlocks... The Dominican Republic has advanced in many fronts, and keeps growing economically albeit it has it's share of problems. This is typical of developing nations. And unfortunately until some dramatic change in economic model occurs, most countries will be left behind. As i said a while back, if a country did not take part in the Industrial Revolution, it was left back minus a century, in some instances even two centuries behind. With that said, most countries in the world are dependent on others creativity.
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Dec 2010 6:34 PM
From: United States
when i say that Jamaica has a headstart, i base it on pure fact. Jamaica had public telephone service long before the DR. it had television long before the DR. it had a tourism industry that was world renown long before the DR got into the market. it had a well organised civil service since the early 1959s, something the DR still does not have. it has a legal system that is far superior to the system here. Jamaica has no excuse for being a backward, struggling, indebted wasteland, with thugs and goons ruling the society. when you manage to create an internet system that is superior to that of Canada and the USA in terms of both upload and download system, you ought to be able to do better than what they are now doing.
Written by: ElFactor, 3 Dec 2010 7:09 PM
From: United States
What you're saying does not make Jamaica a better country economically speaking, it's still a poor country. The Dominican Republic likewise, but it has better infrastructure than Jamaica, or any other Caribbean country. It does not mean it fairs better than a Western European nation, or industrialized country, as far as economy, and number of jobs are concerned.
Written by: Escott, 3 Dec 2010 9:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera and Sosua a 2 days a month for payday
Dread, what the hell are you talking about the internet? Makes no sense. Jamaica put a bundle of money into promotion of tourism, more than any other three Caibbean countries for that I take my hat off them.

Jamaica doesn't hold a candle to the DR in many other respects. I was married in Jamaica and spent much time there but would never even get off a plane while in the airport in Kingston as it was a scary place even for Jamaicans native to Kingston.

Jamaica had very limited services until very recently although they had services in parts of the country.. Nothing like Patties and a cold Red Stripe though.
Written by: ArielFornari, 4 Dec 2010 1:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Atabey-and all other mainlanders that bless their heart, keep clinging to a permanently failed social model for development in Latin America-if all the neoliberal gimmicks, and regional versions of "voodoo economics" and the re-founding of capitalism with its rampant privatization policies and anti-keynesian policies, laissez-faire capitalism, Adam Smith capitalism, the Chicago Boys in Chile, Milton Friedman's monetarist policies, the IMF and World Bank's policies for Latin America, the IADB, etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseam, in short all this has been proven a catastrophic failure for development in Latin America-And the so-called showcase of Representative Democracy in the Caribbean and neoliberalism, is the imperial colony of Puerto Rico, a permanently failed social model for the Continent.
Written by: dreadlocks, 6 Dec 2010 10:52 AM
From: United States
Ariel, kudos on a wonderful posting. yes, try and tell the likes of Atabey that the neocolonialist laissez faire modalities are not the way forward, and you will get a deluge of right wing inspired editorial articles as to why they are.
Written by: dreadlocks, 6 Dec 2010 10:53 AM
From: United States
Escott allows

Jamaica had very limited services until very recently although they had services in parts of the country..

kindly explain what you mean by limited, what you mean by services, and what you mean by recently. i cannot wait.
Written by: ElFactor, 7 Dec 2010 1:44 AM
From: United States
In the big picture Jamaica is a poor country also dreadlocks, enough said. I see you started a thread about D.R.'s tourism industry, the same can be said of Jamaica's tourism industry. Can Jamaica beat D.R. in the tourism economy, i don't think so! The D.R. has more to offer due to it's size and it's friendly people. Also Jamaica is much smaller less coastlines' that means less beaches. Does that mean that D.R. is better off no! All of these countries suffer from the same gains and shortages, due to the lack of creativity and short sightedness. A negative point is the reliance on the developed countries of the world which might not always, have interests in fully helping the host countries... Until these countries start creating things for themselves and implementing a different economic model, that don't rely on other countries interests, than things could look better. But economic short-comings will always be expected due to the competitive nature in the world.
Written by: dreadlocks, 7 Dec 2010 1:12 PM
From: United States
El Factor, jamaica is in a worse economic state than the DR, due to very short sighted, nonsensical initiatives undertaken by guys without vision. but, as fa as tourism is concerned, the DR has only one advantage that i can think of...size. jamaica has been in the game much longer. it has more skills, and tricks of the trade. who do you think developed the all inclusive idea? the ISSA brothers, from Sandals, who modified the Club Med idea to suit the region. it has other advantages, such as the fact that the people `speak english, which is a big draw for the really big spenders, the Americans. the DR rakes in more visitors, but makes less money per capita.
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