A map of gold concessions. Pueblo Viejo is center right.
Santo Domingo.- A Sanchez Ramirez province (northeast) court yesterday sentenced Barrick Gold Corporation to pay 500,000 pesos daily until it returns more than 200 tareas (around 12.6 hectares) which it had illegally occupied.
The ruling from the Judicial District’s 1st Penal Court judge Ramon Emilio Peña Perez favors Jose Pancracio de Peña Jiménez and rejects a restraining order against Industry and Commerce minister Jose Ramon Fadul, and Mining director Octavio Lopez.
During the hearings, the Canada based mining company was represented by Augusto Chong and the lawyers Alberto Fiallo, Luis Miguel Rivas Hirujo and Juan Manuel Pellerano Gomez.
The court’s 24 page ruling states that Barrick will have to allow free access to the land’s proprietor, once the sentence is notified.
De Peña Jiménez had been demanding the return of the property for two years, and a 270 million peso lawsuit for violation and damages to private property is still pending.
The court verified that the company prevented Peña Jiménez’s access to his lands on December 5, whereas Barrick Gold’s lawyers motioned for acquittal, claiming among other considerations, the protection of the rights of property.
Property rights
The judge ruled that the State is obliged to guarantee Peña Jiménez’s right to property, because his lands were occupied by force.
Barrick Gold's operations are based in Pueblo Viejo, Cotui.
Written by: Perez, 17 Feb 2010 3:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Well now! aahora comienza los atropellos contra los duenos de tierras. Sigan callado ahora!
From: United States
Dominican courts system works when it comes down to suck money out of a foreigner enterprises but when it comes down to aplying the law between Dominicans, you can be sure you wont get a Pigeon Po-Pou splash !!!!
Why Dominican Courts don't do the same with "Narco-Gov. Officials Corruption" ??????
Written by: ateo2010 
, 17 Feb 2010 5:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
Well i hope our gov't does something and kick this dogs! out of our land , This company is a nature destroyer!.. We need to create our own companies to extract our resources, not foreigners , its our gold not thers not even 50% of it its theres. We need to get balls, that's what i always being saying.
Written by: josean, 17 Feb 2010 6:36 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Take that Banistan!
Mr. Jose Pancracio de Peña Jiménez, your GOLD PLATED PITCHFORK is on its way!
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Would Barrick Gold be only guilty party here?
I doubt it. Nothing of this magnitude ever happens in DR without government tentacles leading the way. I suppose someone's been slighted and it's payback time. It would be correct to assume that this will go away in few days and everything will be forgotten, and Barrick will be mining gold in no time at all. That's the Dominican approach to business. It is how's been and how it will always be.
MJEV.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
Yes ateo ,,it would be a good idea if the Dominicans could take an equity position in many of these projects instead of buying big cars and houses ..and it would be also a good idea if some banks or merchant banks here set up some equity funds so that Dominicans could benefit from the projects..but alas,the way of most is to simply criticise foreign investment or to take a small handout .
Written by: josean, 17 Feb 2010 9:24 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Ateo,
"take a small handout".
You going take that from Ricky Botella!
Written by: Grosero, 17 Feb 2010 9:40 PM
From: United States
KICK THOSE S.O.B.'s out of the Country....
These crooks take the Gold and gives every one else the shaft...
Written by: josean, 17 Feb 2010 9:51 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Has anybody seen Banisatn?
It’s kind of late for him not to be back at the Aquarium Clapping!
From: United States, NJ
Barrick Gold creates nothing but destruction where ever they go.Look what happened in Chile !
This company is about to destroy the glaciers in Chile and polutes the sorrounding waters thereby killing its habitaits and poisonning the CHILEAN surrounding population.
Look at a few articles on Chile and this company on YOUTUBE.Where ever they go they become owners with the excuse of creating jobs bringing their own peple specialy to weak gvts such as those in Africa and Latin America by bribing unscrupulous politicians to get their way then leave
after 4 years after all the gold is mined
Chile had a grouth in the last 20 years with foreign investment such as Barrick What they don't tell you is,nothing is theirs. it is a superficial economy,
I was in CHILE and it is a beautiful country thanks to its educated citizens that made it so. Hard workers and voting is compulsory,education is a priority such as its military. Universities they have plenty as well as tech. institutes,
Written by: riosm, 17 Feb 2010 10:31 PM
From: United States
LOL Maybe Barrick gold will move to Venezuela, or even Cuba......
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Mr. Thelmo,
I really worry about any country that has to make it compulsory for its citizens to vote.
Is DR overtly stupid? With the examples you cite of Chile and other places, while other have cited Argentina, why did DR invite Barrick with open arms to come over and steal our resources, pollute our environment? Really-does this make sense to you or anyone? It seems to me that a great deal of the pollution Barrick Gold is accused of creating was already there from the previous gold mine operators. Word around forums is that Barrick hasn't yet taken out the first shovel of our ore.
I think Dominicans as a nation need to take a laxative to cleanse ourselves, then decide what we really want to do , become. Do we want to follow Cuban, Venezuelan, Bolivian models, or do we want to become the Singapore of the Caribbean? What is it going to be? You really cannot have it both ways.
Continued:
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
From: United States
Cool, "The time Machine"
LOL
Written by: Perez, 18 Feb 2010 12:26 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Mr Glomarexplorer, I wish i knew the answer to that. All i know is that polluting and destroying what nature gave us to enjoy doesn't make any sense at all. I want to know why the hell DR invited these goon over. One thing for sure, i bet my bacon that the govt haven't make no research on these guys, all the gov't want to do is to pleease these goons and become the apple of their eyes while in the same time taking advantage of ignorant leaders. Besides all Liarnel care is to enrich himself and screw his country and people because in the end, he won't have to pay for the consequence. He'll prob take his money in the swiss bank and move to europe while leaving DR an empty wasteland. Sh$t, the gold suppose to be ours!!. Money is on top of his list, who said that he gonna do something for the people? I want know what idiot still have that mentality.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Perez,
Did you look at forum link?
From: United States, NJ
glomarexplorer:
Thanks for your advise ,I already went to this forum.
Australian defensors of Brrick Gold have to take that possition, since they are also ANGLOS. It is as if if they were Barrick mouth piece. I don't believe them as impartial.
When i said that voting in Chile was mandatory and compulsory I meant it and look up to a country that believes and practice democracy by diferent parties and changes such as now . Not only one such as ours. This guy has been placed in power 3 times already and planning to change the constitution to stay for life .To me that is a dictator that has done nothing for the country's education not to mention the least . They already call him Trujillo jr. At least Trujillo built up the country with Dominican blood and sacrifice . This guy only depends on the W/B & IMF for his projects and pacifies the country on borrowed money by building a subway that carries unemployed from point A- B It shows you what kind of mentality we are dealing with.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
MrThelmo,
I understand, respect your views, while not entirely agreeing on some of them.
I must tell you though, that we your comments on METRO and Barrick there are at lest three new firends you are guaranteed to make in this forum. Two of them are good; the third I am worried about; he is so far-edged that I can't believe he hasn't fallen off yet.
Anyway, I welcome your wisdom and dissent.
Written by: josean, 19 Feb 2010 9:12 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"This guy only depends on the W/B & IMF for his projects and pacifies the country on borrowed money by building a subway that carries unemployed from point A- B It shows you what kind of mentality we are dealing with."
EXCELLENT!
Mr. TAR,
I f your statement could be understood by the majority of Dominicans we would be way head on our way to constructing a true democratic republic in the interest of ALL!
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
METRO was ill-conceived solution looking for a problem.
We are already leaving monumental debt to our children and several generations past them.
So what do we do about it now? Since it is part of modern infrastructure, let's use this monumental evidence of failed planning and governing to expand all productive sectors about it, including business, education, transportation workforce, technology, etc. Let's not dwell so much on its failure, but rather on how we culd make it more useful to nation's needs, less of a burden.
Failure-not an option!
Really, let's be empowered to define our destiny, perhaps something along the lines of Singapore. With this infrastructure in place, increased education and right type of investment, our country would really become a force to be reckoned with.
Perhaps we should start separate forum on the METRO and what to do with it and how to best make it work for the Dominican nation. Logically, Dean Josean would chair.
MJEV.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
While I am at it, let's immediately endeavor to put at least one parsec of distance between us and tourism. It clearly behooves us to distance ourselves from this unstable industry which can shift with the wind.
Instead of being servants to tourists, why not become tourists ourselves, by increasing our GNP and per/capita income so we could travel to those wonderful and far-away places instead?
We are thinking small and, consequently, remain small and dependent on chain of bad governments and handouts. Essentially, we are volunteer modern slaves. Let's break the chain! And the sooner the better.
We need a clear vision of the future, where the people are empowered and limited only by the depth of their ambition, extent of their imagination and commitment to succeed.
Now is the time to start this movement, free ourselves from servitude in perpetuity and realize true and substantive progress.
I invite, welcome your rebuttals.
MJEV.
Written by: josean, 19 Feb 2010 2:07 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
I can only Ditto!
But I must decline the "honor" you have bestowed of chairmanship.
Written by: josean, 19 Feb 2010 2:24 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
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Why Dominican Courts don't do the same with "Narco-Gov. Officials Corruption" ??????
Take that Banistan!
Mr. Jose Pancracio de Peña Jiménez, your GOLD PLATED PITCHFORK is on its way!
Would Barrick Gold be only guilty party here?
I doubt it. Nothing of this magnitude ever happens in DR without government tentacles leading the way. I suppose someone's been slighted and it's payback time. It would be correct to assume that this will go away in few days and everything will be forgotten, and Barrick will be mining gold in no time at all. That's the Dominican approach to business. It is how's been and how it will always be.
MJEV.
Ateo,
"take a small handout".
You going take that from Ricky Botella!
These crooks take the Gold and gives every one else the shaft...
Has anybody seen Banisatn?
It’s kind of late for him not to be back at the Aquarium Clapping!
This company is about to destroy the glaciers in Chile and polutes the sorrounding waters thereby killing its habitaits and poisonning the CHILEAN surrounding population.
Look at a few articles on Chile and this company on YOUTUBE.Where ever they go they become owners with the excuse of creating jobs bringing their own peple specialy to weak gvts such as those in Africa and Latin America by bribing unscrupulous politicians to get their way then leave
after 4 years after all the gold is mined
Chile had a grouth in the last 20 years with foreign investment such as Barrick What they don't tell you is,nothing is theirs. it is a superficial economy,
I was in CHILE and it is a beautiful country thanks to its educated citizens that made it so. Hard workers and voting is compulsory,education is a priority such as its military. Universities they have plenty as well as tech. institutes,
I really worry about any country that has to make it compulsory for its citizens to vote.
Is DR overtly stupid? With the examples you cite of Chile and other places, while other have cited Argentina, why did DR invite Barrick with open arms to come over and steal our resources, pollute our environment? Really-does this make sense to you or anyone? It seems to me that a great deal of the pollution Barrick Gold is accused of creating was already there from the previous gold mine operators. Word around forums is that Barrick hasn't yet taken out the first shovel of our ore.
I think Dominicans as a nation need to take a laxative to cleanse ourselves, then decide what we really want to do , become. Do we want to follow Cuban, Venezuelan, Bolivian models, or do we want to become the Singapore of the Caribbean? What is it going to be? You really cannot have it both ways.
Continued:
Continues:
For greater understanding on subject, please go to this forum thread:
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....-BY-BARRICK-GOLD-COMPANY-Cotui-DR
MJEV.
Cool, "The time Machine"
LOL
Perez,
Did you look at forum link?
Thanks for your advise ,I already went to this forum.
Australian defensors of Brrick Gold have to take that possition, since they are also ANGLOS. It is as if if they were Barrick mouth piece. I don't believe them as impartial.
When i said that voting in Chile was mandatory and compulsory I meant it and look up to a country that believes and practice democracy by diferent parties and changes such as now . Not only one such as ours. This guy has been placed in power 3 times already and planning to change the constitution to stay for life .To me that is a dictator that has done nothing for the country's education not to mention the least . They already call him Trujillo jr. At least Trujillo built up the country with Dominican blood and sacrifice . This guy only depends on the W/B & IMF for his projects and pacifies the country on borrowed money by building a subway that carries unemployed from point A- B It shows you what kind of mentality we are dealing with.
MrThelmo,
I understand, respect your views, while not entirely agreeing on some of them.
I must tell you though, that we your comments on METRO and Barrick there are at lest three new firends you are guaranteed to make in this forum. Two of them are good; the third I am worried about; he is so far-edged that I can't believe he hasn't fallen off yet.
Anyway, I welcome your wisdom and dissent.
"This guy only depends on the W/B & IMF for his projects and pacifies the country on borrowed money by building a subway that carries unemployed from point A- B It shows you what kind of mentality we are dealing with."
EXCELLENT!
Mr. TAR,
I f your statement could be understood by the majority of Dominicans we would be way head on our way to constructing a true democratic republic in the interest of ALL!
METRO was ill-conceived solution looking for a problem.
We are already leaving monumental debt to our children and several generations past them.
So what do we do about it now? Since it is part of modern infrastructure, let's use this monumental evidence of failed planning and governing to expand all productive sectors about it, including business, education, transportation workforce, technology, etc. Let's not dwell so much on its failure, but rather on how we culd make it more useful to nation's needs, less of a burden.
Failure-not an option!
Really, let's be empowered to define our destiny, perhaps something along the lines of Singapore. With this infrastructure in place, increased education and right type of investment, our country would really become a force to be reckoned with.
Perhaps we should start separate forum on the METRO and what to do with it and how to best make it work for the Dominican nation. Logically, Dean Josean would chair.
MJEV.
While I am at it, let's immediately endeavor to put at least one parsec of distance between us and tourism. It clearly behooves us to distance ourselves from this unstable industry which can shift with the wind.
Instead of being servants to tourists, why not become tourists ourselves, by increasing our GNP and per/capita income so we could travel to those wonderful and far-away places instead?
We are thinking small and, consequently, remain small and dependent on chain of bad governments and handouts. Essentially, we are volunteer modern slaves. Let's break the chain! And the sooner the better.
We need a clear vision of the future, where the people are empowered and limited only by the depth of their ambition, extent of their imagination and commitment to succeed.
Now is the time to start this movement, free ourselves from servitude in perpetuity and realize true and substantive progress.
I invite, welcome your rebuttals.
MJEV.
I can only Ditto!
But I must decline the "honor" you have bestowed of chairmanship.
Dr. Starngelove,
May I respectfully suggest you review these links?
You may find some very interesting ideas that maybe applicable to DR development; especially the Singapore info, via its genesis through Puerto Rico which is culturally very similar to us.
"Soberanias Exitosas: seis modelos para el desarrollo economico de Puerto Rico"
http://www.vozdelcentro.org/?p=348
http://www.vozdelcentro.org/
http://www.vozdelcentro.org/?page_id=719