Santo Domingo.– The Dominican Republic will improve performance and effectiveness in elementary and secondary education with a US$100 million conditional credit line for investment projects approved by the Inter-American Development Bank, which includes an initial US$50 million loan.
Under the program, large elementary and secondary schools will increase instruction time, improve grade advancement rates, alleviate classroom overcrowding in low-income districts, and boost reading, writing, and mathematics learning achievements in the first cycle of elementary schools.
In order to achieve these goals, the funds will finance construction of 34 fully-equipped secondary schools, each with an average 14 classrooms; refurbishing work at more than 200 elementary schools; and stocking of 3,000 individual classroom libraries with 80 book titles each.
They will also help provide training for 10,000 teachers at preschool level and grades 1, 2, and 3, and for hundreds of district specialists and school principals in math teaching, early literacy, strengthening of curriculum contents, and educational assessment.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Josean and Dread we await your negative comments
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Let us hope that these funds are used for exactly what they say and not to line the pockets of the Politicos
From: Dominican Republic
It's must be kind of cool to take classes outdoors.
Written by: juanb, 6 Feb 2010 11:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Borrow. Borrow. Borrow.
Waste. Waste. Waste.
Repeat cycle as often as possible.
Written by: riosm, 6 Feb 2010 11:36 AM
From: United States
Blutarsky,
You left out my new friend Belial......
The real problem is how will the DR pay back the 50 Million plus interest ?
Cyberdragon,
It's called......the Dominican air condition system.
From: United States, Bay Area, CA - (Dei sitio)
We need to improve this...Totally unacceptable!!. How the hell are we expecting to see our GER to improve? However, you'd be surprised to know that similar conditions are still found in few communities / colonias in Mexico one of Latin America's richest nations, where education expenditure is 5.5% of GDP; GDP-Per Capita (PPP) is $13,200 and HDI=0.854 which is considered high...Malditos politicos que nos gastamos!!
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... (Look, beyond the words)
This is the first time that the funds borrowed made any sence. Now lets make sure its handed out properly.
The world is now watching, Lee-Flea. No more mistakes.
Written by: mrweepa1, 6 Feb 2010 2:48 PM
From: United States, Huntington Station NY. Juan Dolio DR.
How much of this money will go to administrational waste? Will this improve the wage scale for the people?
Written by: jonbonz, 6 Feb 2010 3:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Blutarsky with Josean and Dread at least when they gripe it is on certain actions. It is not out of some handbook.
While I do not agree with most of Joesean's or Dread's view I know I could sit down over a beer and debate either one of them and not want to strangle them for being an oxygen thief.
From: Dominican Republic
LMAO @ aire acondicioplado.
From: Netherlands
promises promises and more promises..some of you are just like little children so gullible it just just pathetic. When people say it like it is such as josean and dread you say that they are negative but for me they are more on point with their comments because they speak about what people are living in the dominican republic. at least the majority of the people
Written by: Perez, 6 Feb 2010 6:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Oh Oh! we already know where this money is going to end up! I pity the fool who believes that the money will go to the education system.
Written by: hvargas, 6 Feb 2010 6:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic
There is no dignity and no one is embaress by this picture of young dominicans students under the shades of the trees as their shelter, next they will show them sitting on the ground cause how long will those chairs survive. Lets count now or asked the following questions 1) how much money involved in METRO 1 ? 2) how much money involved in the propose METRO 2 ? 3) How large was the budget for 2010 ? , and we can go on. How about this, how much has D.R. given to the cause of HAITI and it can' t even take care of its own or is this some kind of joke.... at this time in D.R. history such a picture is degrading for all dominicans .. this is just another form of begging. As for the givers, in their country the drop rate is also an embaressment, mainly hispanics, do for yourself first before you do for others, correct yourself first before you correct others. It may yield better permanent results.
Written by: jonbonz, 6 Feb 2010 6:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Russel
I do not disagree with Josean nor Dread on what they say is wrong. My difference of opinion with either of them on many occasions would be how to repair it. And that is why | say I could debate them over a beer and not be angry because at the end of the day their opinion while different than mine is still worthy of respect.
I have have on occasion spared with both on technical items with out once attacked nor been attacked.
I have also seen both roll in mud with the best on this board but I have seen them leave mud slinging out of our conversations. I do not throw mud over opinion and so far people have not thrown mud at me. As far as Beliel is concerned though I feel he is a out of line. I do not know what he feels his vested interest is in the DR. He has never stated it. Dread, Josean, Etien and so forth have stated their vested interest. Mine is plane and simple I live here most of the time. I am due a son in April that will be born here.
Written by: okian, 6 Feb 2010 7:00 PM
From: United States
In my humble opinion this is the most important area of investment for the country and I hope to god that it is done with efficiency and good oversight, even though Dominican government efficiency is a true oxymoron.
Written by: jonbonz, 6 Feb 2010 7:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
okian
a few years ago there was a poll done that said basically 70% of parents feel that is was better for the kids ot be shinning shoes and bringing money home than be in school
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
If this picture wasn't staged, then I am totally, and I mean totally, pissed off about these rather appalling conditions.
How could a country positioning itself to become centerpiece of Caribbean have such dismal education infrastructure? How could a country with cost of living on par with US have such conditions? How could we ever expect to emerge from bottom of educational pile and claim even 2nd world status? This is shameful, to say the least.
Something has to be done fast to redress sad situation, and I mean really fast. If not, I hope parents and students will be burning tires on the streets, all the way to national palace. Hanging a few infamous politicians and judges along the way should be in order as well, for we are way past due time to take such drastic initiatives.
I remain pissed off and ashamed, and I hope so will many of you.
I demand greater accountability, swift punishment and re-direction of funds. Maldito ladrones!
MJEV.
From: United States
i have no idea why i get dragged into this by Blutarsky,other then the fact that he is an annoying pest. but, since he invites me to the dance, let us do it. money has nothing to do with anything, if it is not spent where it should be. when the prior minister of education builds a 50 million peso mansion in jarabacoa, replete with her own private access road, it shows that there is no fix for this thing. all that will happen is that more of prez´s friends will be rolling around in Audi Q7s. and, one of the basic reasons i do not make suggestions is that they are basically a waste of time. one buddy of mine said that the DR is what it is, because it is meant to be so. graft and corruption are immutable artifacts of the culture, and , with those in place, no progress will be made.
Written by: josean, 6 Feb 2010 8:02 PM
From: United States
Thank you to all of you who have been very fair-minded in you comments towards me and my most distinguished friend Dr. Dread!
Dr. Strangelove what can I say other than I continue to admire rhetorical laser!
Since I have written ad nauseaum on education and made have some simplistic but heartfelt proposals my comment it will be brief:
"A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS!"
Written by: hvargas, 6 Feb 2010 8:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic
How to used your HUMAN RESOURSES is worth even more .. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
I have said before that my personal experience in the educational area is mainly in the la Romana area and over the past year there has been an obvious improvement as can be seen bythe increase in school books available and the number of teachers. I am all in favour of borrowing to improve the education and health systems and also for infrastructure. The question of misuse of funds and corruption is a seperate issue but none less important and I am unsure if this culture can be better remedied by better education or firing squads ..but as so many Dominicans rail against the culture ,I assume it is mainly opportunistic and needds to be punished severely . In that regard I have always believed that an anti corruption commission needs to be headed up by a foreigner.
Written by: hvargas, 6 Feb 2010 8:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Some realities about the state of supposed education/instructions. There are public schools and private schools. These compete with each other and as in all place on this planet earth, the rich and richer controlled it. Can a public school be as competent as a private one, the answer will be a " YES " but with a very big " BUT ". The rich pay for their children instructions so as to prepared them better for the future and take them to higher instructions ( Universities ). In the majorities these are the ones who will lead and occupied important positions. How can parents allowed for public free instructions to prepared students in greater numbers to enter higher instructions and place these students to occupied positions which are reserved for their children. They " PRE - PAID " for those positions. This is true in the U.S. where such instructions are more available and yet the drop out rate is alarming. Excuses and blame pointing does not escape these realities. My children in D.R.
Written by: hvargas, 6 Feb 2010 8:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
go to private school and one of them will graduate this month from UCE in San Pedro de Macoris. We paid for his instructions and never did he attended public school, fortunate for him and a great sacrifice for us as parents. We educated him as we are educating the others no thanks to the state. I'm not saying that others who are instructed free have no place in society -- NO -- what I'm saying is that instructions should be FREE FOR ALL and that will illiminate the hidden agenda and a better true methods of EDUCATION can be implemented instead of INSTRUCTIONS or a combination of both.
From: United States
you have found a new way to dismiss a little bit of fun in your exercise in futlity.
This is your idea of fairness and democracy
Remember that two can play that game too.
I have friends too and we can play that -1 +1 childish game, Then we will not go too far.
Just read well the posts and check who my friends are.
From: United States
got it jose n ann ????
From: United States, Orlando,Florida
At least yall hav scools now my poor little cousin in haiti doesn't ave school. I'll go see her soon she'll get an education from me. Wait I know these haitian teachers who are teaching in colleges in santo domingo, they should so go to haiti and teach people too.
Written by: juanb, 7 Feb 2010 12:29 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I think that an important point is being missed in this discussion, namely that this is a country where the few rich control everything. They own the courts. Observe their impugnity. They own the government. Observe who gets rich at the expense of the pueblo. They own all the major industries and the rules and tax laws are only enforced against those people starting up new businesses, who want to compete with them.
What interest do these people have in an educated populace? Educating the general population is contrary to everything that the rich want, AND NEED. They need a population dependent on the largesse of the wealthy to get by. They need an ignorant population needing any kind of income to do their undesirable tasks. Most importantly the Politically Rich, which is probably the fastest growing class, needs a dumb populace beseeching them for any kind of botella or hand out that is available. If they had skills the pueblo could move ahead. As is, we will forever go backwards.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
juanb I doubt whether you can provide any figures or evidence to suuport your theory ..the DR is nothing like Haiti as far as having an elite controlling nearly all the land and assets . In the DR there is an increasing spread of wealth ..I have never seen such an appalling lot of nuevo rich who want to flaunt their recent wealth .Sure ,there are very wealthy old families here also but much of the assets here ,such as sugar and tourism are controlled by non Dominicans ..that is one of the real probems.
The problem of equal opportunity for students and young is a real one in most countries and the answer is always to pay high quailty teachers in some elite public schools so that money is not the sole criterium of progress
From: United States, Orlando,Florida
ever1 already knws dr isnt the same as haiti. everyone can see that noone is that dumb akay. Stop rubbin it into ppls faces
Written by: zooma, 7 Feb 2010 7:23 AM
From: United States
Well for once, good news! The educational system is in great need of funds and support. My only concern is how the IDB is going to provide oversight of the money management to make sure the funds go where they are needed. What is defined in the application for the loan that states where the funds will be used? What percentage of the funds will be used directly for the projects and what percentage is used for administrative costs? Without any transparency one could easily expect some of the funds will end up being corrupted by unknown people for projects not related to the plan.
Written by: josean, 7 Feb 2010 8:32 AM
From: United States
Until the “CONCORDATO”
http://hedgeohg.blogspot.com/2007....gin-concordato-el-legado-del.html is abolished a modern world class education will be nothing but an illusion for the overwhelming majority of Dominican Children!
"Lo peor del legado
Lo que realmente ha sufrido el pueblo dominicano es el derrocamiento del sistema Hostoniano, como eje de nuestra educación pública, lo cual, significo un tremendo atraso para nuestra sociedad. El modelo educativo religioso te impone la religión y te enseña moral religiosa. La educación no se debe basar en imponer criterios, los alumnos no son sacos en los cuales se vierten conceptos.
Nuestros alumnos no son educados con criterios científicos, no se les enseña a pensar sino a como pensar. Por eso muchas veces el accionar de los dominicanos carece de raciocinio y obedece a una conducta fanática. Tal vez lo que menos hace el dominicano es pensar."
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Josean “How’s that hopey-changey thing workin’ out for you?”
Written by: josean, 7 Feb 2010 8:53 AM
From: United States
I always knew you were into TEA BAGGING like your hero LIE-onel Fernandez!
Not that there is anything wrong with that!
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Buyers Remorse ?
Written by: josean, 7 Feb 2010 9:20 AM
From: United States
Here is more "EDUCATIONAL PROGRESS" in LIE-onel Fernandez's Chaos-Landia!
FALTA PROFESORAlumnos pagan RD$50 por clases de matemáticas
Santo Domingo.- Los estudiantes de primero del bachillerato de la escuela José Francisco Peña Gómez, en el sector El Almirante, tienen que pagar su propio profesor de matemáticas, aportando RD$50 mensuales, luego de perder dos meses y medio de docencia de esa asignatura por falta de una maestro.
Coerción PLDista: (my heading)
La Dirección del centro educativo ha tomado la decisión de dejar fuera de las aulas a los estudiantes que no hagan efectivo su pago, como medida de presión para garantizar el aporte.
METROS but no SCHOOLS!
“Los padres de los estudiantes que salen del octavo grado no tenían donde inscribir a los niños, no tenían recursos para llevarlos a un colegio'
http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=130696Yeah right, keep telling me that EDUCATION is a priority for LIE-onel Fernandez and the Corrupt PLD!
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Stop the Insanity Josean no more " No Mas " enough drivel abc is bad enough
Written by: josean, 7 Feb 2010 10:06 AM
From: United States
Just channel the channel!
I am sure there is some regressive programing you can watch on FIXED NEWS!
Written by: jonbonz, 7 Feb 2010 10:11 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Here is the reality. New buildings are worthless with out not only a commitment from the government but the population as a whole that education is priority. I good teacher with a few supplies with the support of the community could give a first rate education just by daily taking the students around to see real world uses of what is taught.
The reality is the average high class Dominican wants the populace to stay uneducated to fill the resorts with a new generation of putas
Written by: josean, 7 Feb 2010 10:13 AM
From: United States
Now Banistan why can't you see reality as clearly as jonbonz?
Written by: fedadiaz 
, 7 Feb 2010 11:03 AM
From: Dominican Republic
mesapresidencial :
e' palante que vamos............gobierno que trabaja ......pais que progresa.
Written by: fedadiaz , 7 Feb 2010 11:03 AM
From: Dominican Republic
mesapresidencial :
e' palante que vamos............gobierno que trabaja ......pais que progresa.
Written by: fedadiaz , 7 Feb 2010 11:03 AM
From: Dominican Republic
e'palante que vamos mesapresidencial............gobierno que trabaja pais que progresa.
Written by: josean, 7 Feb 2010 11:16 AM
From: United States
A case of PLD KOOL- AID overdose!
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Keep sweeping up Josean ......Dont get out of show business
Written by: josean, 7 Feb 2010 11:38 AM
From: United States
Keep repeating yourself you’re approaching notoriety in the Guinness Book of World Records!
From: United States, Orlando,Florida
k since you guys seem tense what's the hottest spanish race out there dominicans or port au ricans? Just a little trick question there. I dont like when people are mad or quiet that is so annoying to me at least
From: United States, Orlando,Florida
k since you guys seem tense what's the hottest spanish race out there dominicans or port au ricans? Just a little trick question there. I dont like when people are mad or quiet that is so annoying to me at least
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Let's take for granted for a moment the investment money will go where it should. It is not enough, as the investments realized in that sector over the past 5 years were not either. The reason? Demographics.
As long as there won't efficient birth control methods and policies, while you build one school, women from the barrios and campos churn out babies like there is no tomorrow, and first thing you know, it's not 1 school, but ten that are needed. Same thing with health care: with the explosion in population of the past 20 years, government spending can't keep up with the birth rate.
It is immaterial whether the politiqueros are stealing or not. And with the Catholic church and new constitution, birth control is taboo and the chicas will keep giving birth at age 14.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
WP,
You bring up some points that could simply not be ignored.
DR is a small land mass, with limited resources, and birth rate cannot go on unchecked, or soon the equilibrium scale would tilt permanently toward imbalance, and we would be irrevocably relegated to a welfare state.
Amazing, but Greece has been around since the beginning of time, and occupies a much larger land mass [~3X DR], yet our populations are only about a million people apart [DR: ~10M; Greece ~10.7M]. This insinuates that Dominicans have been unrestrained in their unsustainable population growth, perhaps largely a reflection of educational level.
With such limited resources and with an economy largely dependent on tourism, sadly but realistically, we cannot be too far from hopelessness. Something needs to be done to keep population growth in check, because we cannot generate jobs fast enough, or keep pace with required erection of schools and hospitals and housing, etc.
MJEV.
Written by: josean, 7 Feb 2010 5:39 PM
From: United States
Dr.Strangelove,
Banisatn can't pace his "erections" either!
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Dean Josean,
That's the problem with mixing Cialis, Viagara and oysters.....must be embarrassing walking in public!
LOL!
Written by: yumnuk3, 7 Feb 2010 7:27 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
Old man Josean is ready for Another all out war....Protect your neck kids.LOL.
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Gloma
Greece was the cradle of Western civilization.
What is DR's claim to fame?
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 10:15 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Taiwan is the largest exporter of Tilapia and they have to heat the fish tanks there, The ratio for tank raised tilapia is roughly one pound of fish for each gallon of water in the system every 4 months.
The US imports bell peppers grown in greenhouses of Europe.
What does this have to do with anything. These are things due to the DR climate, Distance to the market and available resources could take advantage of. The closed Zona Francas could be used to raise tilapia. Put out great amounts. Then fillet the tilapia on site and flash freeze. Oops more jobs what a concept.
Use the waste to make fish meal. Feed the fish meal to chickens, Use chicken manure to grow algae use algae pellets to feed tilapia use plantano leaves along with Algae as the tilapia feed. Break the import cycle for food and become a net producer of agriculture products.
WTF But no lets build an artificial beach and another resort.
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 10:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Tourism is not the answer to anything. It is hit and miss and depends a great deal with a poor desperate population that needs to earn money giving cheap pleasure.
Get a good agriculture based economy with a good mix of other industries and then you will see the DR make money.
Start with the basics of feeding ourselves then the rest of the region.
From: Dominican Republic
Money spent on National Education is money well spent!
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Do not disdain tourism money it is an important part of the economy of France and Spain and numerous other countries
From: United States, Orlando,Florida
since you ppl didnt know the answers it was port au rican nooffense they are hott!
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 11:35 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
ojedamaggiolo80,
but taken as a whole it is not 70% of the non remittance driven economy of France or any of the other countries mentioned. Also how much of those countries tourism is based on internal tourist. In the end while an important part of any given towns economy it is not the entire countries economy.
Just as an example how much of Frances economy is based on exports?
Written by: josean, 8 Feb 2010 11:47 AM
From: United States
jonbonz,
You’re in trouble now!
Stop providing rational; doable cost-effective and socially beneficial to ALL, solutions!
Our economically shortsighted, backward politicians and the lackeys here on DT will be very upset at you.
Suggesting sustainable self-sufficient exportable agriculture, environmentally friendly light industrial development projects, world class universal education, small foot print eco-tourism that doesn’t denigrate our people, makes you look crazy!
These things are heresy to those you pray at the ALTAR of useless METROS, unregulated ugly Apartment Buildings and any anything goes tourism, as the be all and end all of “modernity” and so-called “development!”
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 1:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Josean here is where most people do not understand where we all have a close to same view. I am by far against socialism as an economic model but yet certain socialist system are necessary. Good example the public service commission that allows private companies to operate a monopoly in an area for utilities. Is this not a socialist system?
I am against more investment in tourism for one reason. To much of this economy is based on tourism. Zona Francas please not worth it based on what they are doing. But a real export that all the inputs are locally produced would be a boon. Aquaculture with the waste steam feeding poultry whose waste stream feeds the aquaculture with a good dose of the plantano industries waste stream feeding both and oh btw a good portion of the output could be afforded by the local market. cont
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 1:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
I have a practice fish farm on my roof. I have been playing with it. I can tell you it is viable. The biggest issue making it a problem is stable power. Until a few months ago I was not here enough to work with it and so it was a toy. Soon it will be producing food for me and the extended family./ 100 watts of continuous power will let you produce around 1000 pound so live fish per week so a small inverter will do for a system.
Any one interested I can send you any links I have and let you go from there.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
the Head counts of the external tourists who visit the two countries mentioned dwarfs the Dr and the money they leave behind whilst traveling is substantial .....do not Disdain Tourism it has brought the country this far ....now diversify ......unlike under joseans guy the hippo when agriculture was nothing but stealing the money for the green houses....not saying josean is responsible he just washed the hippos SUV
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 1:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
I do not have a problem with tourism in itself. But there are enough Trumps trying got invest why have to Dominican people foot the bill for more. Look at the delays for permits when all the investors are lined up. Tourism does not need money nor promotion. Stream lined and efficient service from the government will let that expand.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
jbonz says " Stream lined and efficient service from the government will let that expand." are you joking they are just realizing the importance of infrastructure in Punta Cana after they destroyed POP...Yes the private sector can promote tourism better than the Gov but it can assist
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
WP,
DR's claim to fame: Leonel and the METRO.
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 1:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
At the expense of Education?
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Jonbonz,
I am interested in your fish story.
Please send link.
Written by: josean, 8 Feb 2010 1:39 PM
From: United States
Jonbonz,
I second that request!
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 1:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Dominican today do you have a problem if I post a few links here that are non commercial? If so I will send them PM
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Glomy feed josean the trouser trout .....se if he likes it
Written by: josean, 8 Feb 2010 1:46 PM
From: United States
Your tastes and your hero's LIE-onel Fernandez's are not mine.
Not that there is anything wrong with that!
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Jobonz,
You can e-mail it to my DT profile, or to: glomarexplorer@gmail.com.
Many thanks.
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 1:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Written by: josean, 8 Feb 2010 1:51 PM
From: United States
Thank you!
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 2:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Tilapia will feed on almost anything however they are filter feeders and only need algae to thrive. They can filter down to 3 microns.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Tilapia will feed on almost anything " this reminds me how I saved abc life the other day by running over a shit eating dog trying to hitch a ride to Samana
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 2:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
The current taxes collected on the flights and hotel rooms would if spent correctly take care of tourism's needs.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
if they were spent on what they were meant for and not ripped off by government hacks
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Jbonz,
Many thanks.
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 7:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Not a problem. Anyone that can start anything anywhere that makes honest money I am will to share what ever information I have.
I myself am going to be doing some fish farming on maybe the 500-1000 pound a week scale soon but nothing that could lead to export.
My patients and pockets are not deep enough to overcome automatic multiple partners that would come with exporting or being really big.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Great Blutarsky,
Doggone it! Why did you run over the dog? He had a purposeful life and you interfered with nature and the process of natural selection.
Darn!
From: United States
hopefully this money gets to where its needed...not in someone's pockets.
the education system in the DR bites
From: United States
jonbonz, you have made one of the most insightful, rational statements i have seen in this forum for a long while. the statement about the FRAGILITY of tourism is very profound, and is borne out by what is currently the case in Playa Dorada . a few weeks ago, the place was jumping, at least by playa dorada standards. my buddy, who works in the industry there, had a smile on his face. i saw him sunday last, and his assessment was grim-. nobody there, he says. seems as though the news of the earthquake in Haiti caused a ripple effect in the travel business for hispaniola, and folks chose to go elsewhere. so, february, which should be the heart of high season, is down the tubes, and could take march and april with it. then again, i have said it a million times that tourism is NOT the answer, only to be flagellated by the likes of guys whose name starts with a B.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Dread the great flagellater is coming to flagellate you again ......in the over all economy now shifted to relief work in Haiti from Tourism keep one thing in mind .....there will not be an earthquake every year and the world pouring money into Hispaniola is more regular with tourism than disasters fortunately ......Haiti and its future will depend on tourism as the Dominican past did while building its bright future
From: United States
Blutarky mesmerises with this
in the over all economy now shifted to relief work in Haiti from Tourism keep one thing in mind
do i take this to mean that the tourists have decided to eschew their vacations in the DR and go to Haiti to distribute food and water?
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
you know better but I must say you cannot find space in the capital for relief workers and newsmen .....,the dollars displaced in the economy by people turned off by the publicity of the earth quake who did not come ......those dollars and more are pouring into the DR economy for the rebuilding of Haiti which will be staged from the DR until; further notice
Written by: jonbonz, 9 Feb 2010 2:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
which is why the only thing that has been done with any kind of sense by the government is a quick upgrade of roads into Haiti just to make sure the relief is based out of here.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
first things first ......second things ?........
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
first things first
From: United States, Orlando,Florida
Lol there's someone named dreadlocks on here. OMG that is such an awome name. No joke.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Take him to your bosom ...he needs a home
From: United States, Orlando,Florida
Whatever guy. Wow get over yourself Blutarsky. You act like you know everything but you dont. Akay, akay!
Written by: josean, 10 Feb 2010 10:02 AM
From: United States
You’re a very astute young lady!
From: United States, Orlando,Florida
Thank you I think. How did you think of the word astute? Cause it's very warely used.
From: United States, Orlando,Florida
My bad thats suppost to be rarely.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
be wary and be afraid very afraid
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
of josean
Written by: josean, 10 Feb 2010 10:27 AM
From: United States
Pay him no mind Miss!
He just jealous that the only woman that pays attention to is Phyllis Diller and that’s only if she not wearing her glasses!
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Waste. Waste. Waste.
Repeat cycle as often as possible.
You left out my new friend Belial......
The real problem is how will the DR pay back the 50 Million plus interest ?
Cyberdragon,
It's called......the Dominican air condition system.
This is the first time that the funds borrowed made any sence. Now lets make sure its handed out properly.
The world is now watching, Lee-Flea. No more mistakes.
While I do not agree with most of Joesean's or Dread's view I know I could sit down over a beer and debate either one of them and not want to strangle them for being an oxygen thief.
I do not disagree with Josean nor Dread on what they say is wrong. My difference of opinion with either of them on many occasions would be how to repair it. And that is why | say I could debate them over a beer and not be angry because at the end of the day their opinion while different than mine is still worthy of respect.
I have have on occasion spared with both on technical items with out once attacked nor been attacked.
I have also seen both roll in mud with the best on this board but I have seen them leave mud slinging out of our conversations. I do not throw mud over opinion and so far people have not thrown mud at me. As far as Beliel is concerned though I feel he is a out of line. I do not know what he feels his vested interest is in the DR. He has never stated it. Dread, Josean, Etien and so forth have stated their vested interest. Mine is plane and simple I live here most of the time. I am due a son in April that will be born here.
a few years ago there was a poll done that said basically 70% of parents feel that is was better for the kids ot be shinning shoes and bringing money home than be in school
If this picture wasn't staged, then I am totally, and I mean totally, pissed off about these rather appalling conditions.
How could a country positioning itself to become centerpiece of Caribbean have such dismal education infrastructure? How could a country with cost of living on par with US have such conditions? How could we ever expect to emerge from bottom of educational pile and claim even 2nd world status? This is shameful, to say the least.
Something has to be done fast to redress sad situation, and I mean really fast. If not, I hope parents and students will be burning tires on the streets, all the way to national palace. Hanging a few infamous politicians and judges along the way should be in order as well, for we are way past due time to take such drastic initiatives.
I remain pissed off and ashamed, and I hope so will many of you.
I demand greater accountability, swift punishment and re-direction of funds. Maldito ladrones!
MJEV.
Thank you to all of you who have been very fair-minded in you comments towards me and my most distinguished friend Dr. Dread!
Dr. Strangelove what can I say other than I continue to admire rhetorical laser!
Since I have written ad nauseaum on education and made have some simplistic but heartfelt proposals my comment it will be brief:
"A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS!"
This is your idea of fairness and democracy
Remember that two can play that game too.
I have friends too and we can play that -1 +1 childish game, Then we will not go too far.
Just read well the posts and check who my friends are.
What interest do these people have in an educated populace? Educating the general population is contrary to everything that the rich want, AND NEED. They need a population dependent on the largesse of the wealthy to get by. They need an ignorant population needing any kind of income to do their undesirable tasks. Most importantly the Politically Rich, which is probably the fastest growing class, needs a dumb populace beseeching them for any kind of botella or hand out that is available. If they had skills the pueblo could move ahead. As is, we will forever go backwards.
The problem of equal opportunity for students and young is a real one in most countries and the answer is always to pay high quailty teachers in some elite public schools so that money is not the sole criterium of progress
Well for once, good news! The educational system is in great need of funds and support. My only concern is how the IDB is going to provide oversight of the money management to make sure the funds go where they are needed. What is defined in the application for the loan that states where the funds will be used? What percentage of the funds will be used directly for the projects and what percentage is used for administrative costs? Without any transparency one could easily expect some of the funds will end up being corrupted by unknown people for projects not related to the plan.
"Lo peor del legado
Lo que realmente ha sufrido el pueblo dominicano es el derrocamiento del sistema Hostoniano, como eje de nuestra educación pública, lo cual, significo un tremendo atraso para nuestra sociedad. El modelo educativo religioso te impone la religión y te enseña moral religiosa. La educación no se debe basar en imponer criterios, los alumnos no son sacos en los cuales se vierten conceptos.
Nuestros alumnos no son educados con criterios científicos, no se les enseña a pensar sino a como pensar. Por eso muchas veces el accionar de los dominicanos carece de raciocinio y obedece a una conducta fanática. Tal vez lo que menos hace el dominicano es pensar."
I always knew you were into TEA BAGGING like your hero LIE-onel Fernandez!
Not that there is anything wrong with that!
FALTA PROFESORAlumnos pagan RD$50 por clases de matemáticas
Santo Domingo.- Los estudiantes de primero del bachillerato de la escuela José Francisco Peña Gómez, en el sector El Almirante, tienen que pagar su propio profesor de matemáticas, aportando RD$50 mensuales, luego de perder dos meses y medio de docencia de esa asignatura por falta de una maestro.
Coerción PLDista: (my heading)
La Dirección del centro educativo ha tomado la decisión de dejar fuera de las aulas a los estudiantes que no hagan efectivo su pago, como medida de presión para garantizar el aporte.
METROS but no SCHOOLS!
“Los padres de los estudiantes que salen del octavo grado no tenían donde inscribir a los niños, no tenían recursos para llevarlos a un colegio'
http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=130696
Yeah right, keep telling me that EDUCATION is a priority for LIE-onel Fernandez and the Corrupt PLD!
Just channel the channel!
I am sure there is some regressive programing you can watch on FIXED NEWS!
The reality is the average high class Dominican wants the populace to stay uneducated to fill the resorts with a new generation of putas
Now Banistan why can't you see reality as clearly as jonbonz?
e' palante que vamos............gobierno que trabaja ......pais que progresa.
e' palante que vamos............gobierno que trabaja ......pais que progresa.
Keep repeating yourself you’re approaching notoriety in the Guinness Book of World Records!
As long as there won't efficient birth control methods and policies, while you build one school, women from the barrios and campos churn out babies like there is no tomorrow, and first thing you know, it's not 1 school, but ten that are needed. Same thing with health care: with the explosion in population of the past 20 years, government spending can't keep up with the birth rate.
It is immaterial whether the politiqueros are stealing or not. And with the Catholic church and new constitution, birth control is taboo and the chicas will keep giving birth at age 14.
You bring up some points that could simply not be ignored.
DR is a small land mass, with limited resources, and birth rate cannot go on unchecked, or soon the equilibrium scale would tilt permanently toward imbalance, and we would be irrevocably relegated to a welfare state.
Amazing, but Greece has been around since the beginning of time, and occupies a much larger land mass [~3X DR], yet our populations are only about a million people apart [DR: ~10M; Greece ~10.7M]. This insinuates that Dominicans have been unrestrained in their unsustainable population growth, perhaps largely a reflection of educational level.
With such limited resources and with an economy largely dependent on tourism, sadly but realistically, we cannot be too far from hopelessness. Something needs to be done to keep population growth in check, because we cannot generate jobs fast enough, or keep pace with required erection of schools and hospitals and housing, etc.
MJEV.
Dr.Strangelove,
Banisatn can't pace his "erections" either!
That's the problem with mixing Cialis, Viagara and oysters.....must be embarrassing walking in public!
LOL!
Old man Josean is ready for Another all out war....Protect your neck kids.LOL.
Greece was the cradle of Western civilization.
What is DR's claim to fame?
The US imports bell peppers grown in greenhouses of Europe.
What does this have to do with anything. These are things due to the DR climate, Distance to the market and available resources could take advantage of. The closed Zona Francas could be used to raise tilapia. Put out great amounts. Then fillet the tilapia on site and flash freeze. Oops more jobs what a concept.
Use the waste to make fish meal. Feed the fish meal to chickens, Use chicken manure to grow algae use algae pellets to feed tilapia use plantano leaves along with Algae as the tilapia feed. Break the import cycle for food and become a net producer of agriculture products.
WTF But no lets build an artificial beach and another resort.
Get a good agriculture based economy with a good mix of other industries and then you will see the DR make money.
Start with the basics of feeding ourselves then the rest of the region.
but taken as a whole it is not 70% of the non remittance driven economy of France or any of the other countries mentioned. Also how much of those countries tourism is based on internal tourist. In the end while an important part of any given towns economy it is not the entire countries economy.
Just as an example how much of Frances economy is based on exports?
You’re in trouble now!
Stop providing rational; doable cost-effective and socially beneficial to ALL, solutions!
Our economically shortsighted, backward politicians and the lackeys here on DT will be very upset at you.
Suggesting sustainable self-sufficient exportable agriculture, environmentally friendly light industrial development projects, world class universal education, small foot print eco-tourism that doesn’t denigrate our people, makes you look crazy!
These things are heresy to those you pray at the ALTAR of useless METROS, unregulated ugly Apartment Buildings and any anything goes tourism, as the be all and end all of “modernity” and so-called “development!”
I am against more investment in tourism for one reason. To much of this economy is based on tourism. Zona Francas please not worth it based on what they are doing. But a real export that all the inputs are locally produced would be a boon. Aquaculture with the waste steam feeding poultry whose waste stream feeds the aquaculture with a good dose of the plantano industries waste stream feeding both and oh btw a good portion of the output could be afforded by the local market. cont
Any one interested I can send you any links I have and let you go from there.
WP,
DR's claim to fame: Leonel and the METRO.
Jonbonz,
I am interested in your fish story.
Please send link.
I second that request!
Your tastes and your hero's LIE-onel Fernandez's are not mine.
Not that there is anything wrong with that!
Jobonz,
You can e-mail it to my DT profile, or to: glomarexplorer@gmail.com.
Many thanks.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/22/nyregion/22fish.html?pagewanted=1
http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/aquaponic.html
Here is the non commercial stuff I started with it all works out. I have tilapia now but the are Mozambique type that do not get really that big.
1 gallon of water gives you 1 pound of fish every 4 months.
2 males and ten females will produce 500 baby fish every week. The hatchery for a 500 baby per week production could be a 55 gal tank with 4 or so 10 gal tanks.
I use a swimming pool I bought at Americana.
Thank you!
Jbonz,
Many thanks.
I myself am going to be doing some fish farming on maybe the 500-1000 pound a week scale soon but nothing that could lead to export.
My patients and pockets are not deep enough to overcome automatic multiple partners that would come with exporting or being really big.
Great Blutarsky,
Doggone it! Why did you run over the dog? He had a purposeful life and you interfered with nature and the process of natural selection.
Darn!
the education system in the DR bites
in the over all economy now shifted to relief work in Haiti from Tourism keep one thing in mind
do i take this to mean that the tourists have decided to eschew their vacations in the DR and go to Haiti to distribute food and water?
You’re a very astute young lady!
Pay him no mind Miss!
He just jealous that the only woman that pays attention to is Phyllis Diller and that’s only if she not wearing her glasses!