Santo Domingo.- With the headline “Thousands Stripped of Citizenship in the Dominican Republic,” a press release datelined NEW YORK, by the PRNewswire and USNewswire agencies mentions a case it says challenges “Dominican Republic's treatment of its citizens of Haitian ancestry,” filed before the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights today.
It said the Open Society Justice Initiative and the Center for Justice and International Law (CEJIL) case focuses on Emildo Bueno Oguis, a Dominican of Haitian descent who was refused a certified copy of his birth certificate—essential to travel, work, or access other basic services in the Dominican Republic—by the Civil Registry in 2007.
"Bueno Oguis's case is emblematic of the discrimination faced today by thousands of Dominicans of Haitian descent," said James A. Goldston, the executive director of the Open Society Justice Initiative. "The Dominican government is using a panoply of legislative and administrative tactics to deprive this population of its lawful rights. Without access to their identity documents, many Dominicans of Haitian descent find themselves essentially stateless."
Bueno Oguis was born in the Dominican Republic in 1975 and recognized by multiple state agencies as a citizen, in accordance with the law. However, since 2007, government authorities have argued that he actually does not have the right to Dominican nationality because of his parents' immigration status at the time of his birth, retroactively applying a 2004 migration law to strip him of citizenship.
A hearing on Bueno Oguis's case has been pending before the Dominican Republic's Supreme Court for more than fifteen months. After three years without essential documents, Bueno Oguis has faced unacceptable limitations on his fundamental rights, including restrictions on his ability to move freely and own property.
The Bueno Oguis case is the first nationality-related complaint to be filed against the Dominican Republic before a human rights tribunal since the Inter-American Court's landmark ruling for the minors Violeta Bosico and Dilcia Yean Oliven. In that case, the court ruled in 2005 that parents' migration status could not be a factor in determining nationality, and found the Dominican Republic's nationality policies racially discriminatory against Dominicans of Haitian descent.
"The Dominican Republic has to comply with the spirit of the Inter-American Court's decision," said Ariela Peralta, Deputy Director of CEJIL. "The new constitution raises additional concerns, and we hope that this case will spur a more productive dialogue on how the country can work to end these racist policies."
The Justice Initiative works together with partner organizations in the Dominican Republic to document denial and deprivation of nationality, raise awareness of the problem of statelessness, demand justice for victims, and advocate for modification of discriminatory nationality laws and policies.
The Open Society Justice Initiative uses law to protect and empower people around the world. Through litigation, advocacy, research, and technical assistance, the Justice Initiative promotes human rights and builds legal capacity for open societies.
The Center for Justice and International Law is an organization dedicated to the defense and promotion of human rights on the American continent, and to litigation before the Inter-American Commission and Court of Human Rights.
SOURCE Open Society Justice Initiative
Related articles: www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2007/11/19/26127/
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
This is the work of Gringo Afro Nazis
Written by: Pepe32, 1 Jun 2010 6:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
So basically all they have to do is cross over illegally and have their kids in DR and Dominican sovereignty doesn't matter!!
I say deport all except the ones necessary for the economy ,give those papers and deport the rest!
Withstand the pressure "a la Honduras" and eventually they will cave in because their are too many foreign interests in DR ($$$) and the investors will not allow their investments to go sour because of Haitians!
Their is little time to act because it will soon become too late and some will be left crying like women what they couldn't defend as men!
Any candidate that does not have a hard line in this issue should not be elected.
Written by: Belly, 1 Jun 2010 6:26 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Ariela Peralta, Deputy Director of CEJIL. says
"The new constitution raises additional concerns, and we hope that this case will spur a more productive dialogue on how the country can work to end these racist policies."
Well the solutions to this problem is actually very simple. Follow the Dominican immigration laws and this problem would have NOT existed to begin with. Is as simple of a solution as it gets but that's too much to ask! right?
By the way the new constitution does not raise any concerns, it simple made a simple solution simpler on paper to avoid confusion. So Peralta save your whining for a case where you have a valid point because in this one is simply making a case for the new text in the Dominican constitution sound even better.
Written by: juanb, 1 Jun 2010 6:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Unfortunately in order to follow and enforce our immigration laws we would need honest enforcement officials. What is your second choice?
Written by: ateo2010 
, 1 Jun 2010 7:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
Afro nazis are pathetic.
Why don't this pigs go and accuse Israel for what they did yesterday with the Palestinian flotilla of ships, and all the countless abuses done to Palestinians by Israel and the U.S Itself!...
From: Dominican Republic
Americasn telling someone else that they have problems whit migration and racism HOW CUTE lololol
Written by: Yucahu, 1 Jun 2010 8:37 PM
From: United States, Miami
I say give each of these so called Dominican's of Haitian descent 50,000 pesos and repatriate them in Haiti. Give them a copy of the Haitian constitution, a Haitian flag and let them enjoy returning home!!!!
Written by: Pepe32, 1 Jun 2010 9:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Actually Ateo the same people that push the Haitian issue on us criticize Israel for defending itself against people who want to wipe them off the face of the earth.These same people could care less about true justice and true peace!
From: United States
Pepe says....I say deport all except the ones necessary for the economy ,give those papers and deport the rest!.....it is exactly thinking like this that caused the problem , in the first place. if they are illegal, boot them ALL out. but, i guess that principled people like pepe will overlook the fact that they are illegal, if they are " necessary for the economy". i would like to know what that phrase means. certainly, not too many aerospace engineers are crossing over at Dajabon. the hordes of unemployed people i see lining up for work at construction sites do not look like neurosurgeons to me. they appear to be casual laborers , equipped by training and qualifications for menial labor, nothing else. Lord knows we have a surfeit of unemployed people here, who possess the same skills, or , lack thereof. so, please Pepe, explain your remark. inquiring minds want to know.
Written by: anthonyC, 1 Jun 2010 9:30 PM
From: United States
HeHeHe.....And what was the percentage of Dominican Americans who voted for Obama?
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
@ Dread
Well Said
Pepe I believed what you are trying to say DR should implement a guess worker program with a quota to satisfy it's cheap labor needs.I'm fine with that, I firmly believe the DR government should also police those that hire illegals, surely they are coming over simply because they believed they will be tolerated. Now tell me why such basic policy is not in place?
From: United States
even if he is trying to say that, Pat, with over 40% of young Dominican males between 19 and 25 years unemployed, i cannot see the need for a guest worker program, in the menial labor arena.
Written by: Atabey, 1 Jun 2010 10:39 PM
From: United States, NYC
Yes, Dread but even if Pepe32 means that you of all people know that the situation is reaching the threshold before a serious situation develops in DR. Haiti's problems cannot be solved by DR. I for one would hope that a Visa or workers' permit program be implemented with the assistance of the international community. Dominican nationality must be handled by the authorities of the DR and no one else. Even in the US there is a powerful movement afoot to denied children of illegals the right to citizenship. The Supreme Court may very well rule on this matter in the not too distant future. And this problem is not unique to the US and the DR, it happens everywhere where the differences between bordering and sometimes not so bordering states have great disparities in income and general opportunities. The DR National Census will take place in September of this year and perhaps this event will help shed some light about the direction this phenomenon.
From: Dominican Republic, Sabana Del Puerto
why give them citizenship? at least these haitians born in the DR can be deported with their parents rather than seperated.
Written by: mjsd82, 1 Jun 2010 11:35 PM
From: United States
come in, come all ... fuck it, let all the haitians in ....... if 30% of babies born in dr are of haitians parents, imagine what will happen if the dr gives them legal papers and cedula, then all the haitians will come to dr and have babies here just for that. que sera de mi pais en 5 años. que dios nos cuide.
From: Germany, Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz
@Beau305,
They Are but only those within the "legal status".
Not Illegals, Consuls or Diplomat -Bodies Children's have a Right to Dominican Citizenship !!!
Why those people don't come over to Germany and say that people breaking the law have such a Right. Illegals in Germany are Criminals as simple as that.
Don't Break the Law then you shouldn't be punished.
I hope D.R. start setting example: Our Laws are to be respected, there is not IF, CASE, or Exception.
Written by: generoso, 2 Jun 2010 5:04 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
The Haitians and the the NGO's pushing for them, are persistently trying to elbow their way in the Dominican food table, as uninvited and unwelcome guests.
Dominicans and their government have to select a strong immigration policy, and a "no questions asked" immediate deportation back to Haiti, after properly making a record of the first offense.
Most 95% of all Haitian illegals cross the border with no papers whatsoever, and come to DR to give birth in our hospitals. There are even bus tours to bring pregnant women to DR hospitals to give birth. The present estimated rate of Haitian illegal immigration by independent sources is over 100,000 illegals every month. If that rate keeps constant or rising, we can kiss good-by to the DR as a Spanish speaking country, and the DR will be pulled down quickly by the mass exporting of the Haitian poor, sick, pregnant, homeless and unemployed and quickly become another failed state, with a barren landscape caused by predatory cutting of trees.
Written by: mjsd82, 2 Jun 2010 5:42 AM
From: United States
@beau305 ...... why? because other countries are not flooding the DR like haitians do, why? because other countries won't take advantage of the border like haitians do. why? because haiti as a country has to care for their people instead of sending them here so we take care of them. i was born and raised in the dominican republic, i was just there 2 months ago and it hurts me to see thousands of haitian kids begging in the streets and haitian women with 4 -5 kids just walking asking for money, what do you think that's going to do for our country? i can see that you're haitian just by what you're saying. that's the problem. when you have thousands of haitians flooding my country everyday because the elite in haiti won't do anything for them then it becomes a problem. if they can't take care of babies then don't have them. you want us to take care of your people don't you. any other questions Beau305?
Written by: mjsd82, 2 Jun 2010 5:53 AM
From: United States
and another thing ............. if haitians are going to be complaining about the DR not treating them well, then how come there are over 2,000,000 haitians in DR? why would there be so many people in a country where they are not being treated right? they should go back to haiti and see how they make it over there, we always help but all we get from haitians are complains. and don't say that haitians work like slaves; it's not like we go to haiti and look for haitian workers, THEY COME HERE. obviously things are not good in haiti but they got the nerves to complain about DR, we treat haitians better then what they treat eachother overthere and we've showned that for the last several months after the earthquake. i just hope people in haiti would stand up and fight the elite that's stealing most of the money instead turning their heads and bitch about dominicans.
From: United States, Brooklyn
Don't mind the Yanks... They can't eliminate racism in their own country and yet have the ball to tell us what we should do...
From: United States, Brooklyn
Pepe...
You said leave only haitians vital to the economy... But our countrymen are risking their lives at sea. These economically vital haitians are the reason why they are leaving the country! Kick them out and they'll be plenty of jobs for dominicans, in fact the shoratage of workers should cause a natural raise in pay and our men won't have to leave the country for a descent wage!
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
The photograph in this article says it all for me ....that is the suffering of small children ...Let us all pray this problem can be resolved and alleviate this sad situation for their sake
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
....and Mr. LF is busy doing other things. Thank you LF for doing nothing.
From: United States
atabey, this is an unfortunate state of affairs which is not well served by indelicate vocabulary and rabid musings. it requires measured and thoughtful inspection. sadly, it does not generally receive it, since far too many people who post here are not yet up to speed on the basic conventions of civilised interchange, and are prone to intemperate and primeval outbursts. the reality is that the train has left the station, no thanks in large part to greedy business concerns who wanted to keep the labor component of the production process as cheap as possible. effectively running young healthy dominicans out of the market for unskilled labor. the haitians took the bait, and came running in at warp speed. now, the course is, for all intents and purposes, beyond the tipping point. add to this one little thing, and you will see how pernicious this can turn out to be. some haitians actually think this entire country is theirs. get the point?
From: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito"
All we deal with is racial issues that the american court is complaining about and the goal is to get as much attention away from the U.S so that it is focused on little dominican republic. How sad is that! Lets get back to the basics and that is we have a country to protect and laws to enforce and their are many flaws but at the same time something must be done. When at times the law is enforced we are branded as the heartless racists. To my Dominican people their is a cause that we must support that Lie-onel has done nothing about and that is standing up for the policies of our country and those policies are the childern or older adults born to illegal immigrants are in transit. Give jobs back to the Dominican people at once.
From: United States
It is unfortunate to see how the mentality of these two nations have not changed for so many decades . I would rather see some of you coming up with solid and valid solutions to resolve the migrations of Haitians to DR and so many other infrastructures problems the DR is facing.
From: United States
the naked poverty that Haitians are living in in their own country is proof enougn that they have been facing discrimination in their country.
When Haitians discriminate against, bestialize,brutalize. terrorize Haitians , it is ok. No need to have a summit to expose and denounce this everyday occurence
Written by: lovingit, 2 Jun 2010 9:53 AM
From: United States, Delaware
Look, no international court should have a say on what the Dominican Constitution has. The US themselves are pushing for their citizenship laws to change to not grant citizenship to the children of illegals. And going by the comments on that article, you'll see most people support it:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37399313/ns/politics/I just think its funny that one of our biggest critics when it comes to our citizen granting practices, is also trying to do the same.
Written by: Atabey, 2 Jun 2010 10:03 AM
From: United States, NYC
Dread,
I think you meant "introspection." But nonetheless your point is well taken, the DR and Haiti have allowed this situation to get out of hands, and sadly, it may only take a severe event like a nasty hurricane, very possible, this year to trigger or spark a nasty series of events. In the event many hundreds of thousands of poor Haitians would walk-over and then we indeed will be witnesses to the tipping point. I for one hope this can be averted, but reasoned thoughts say this possibility is more probable than most would like to admit or feel comfortable saying so. In the end, it will take massive infrastructure rebuilding in Haiti, a strong export platform economy, and lots of hard work to begin turning around this situation. Oh, and I almost forgot to mention, Lots and Lots of luck!
From: United States
[[Written by: Blutarsky, 1 Jun 2010 5:16 PM
From: United States, Faber College Double Secret Probation
This is the work of Gringo Afro Nazis]]
Wow!
A Trioxymoron!!!
From: Dominican Republic
Because of the Summit, there are soldiers on each corner of Bavaro, Politur, Amet. Not only normal soldiers, but Ninjas as well (soldiers dressed in black with the helmet of Lord Vader).
Okay, that would be for the security.
What I don't like is that in Saturday 40 or more soldiers entered to Hoyo (poor neighborhood) and arresting people on the street. I was playing pool with a friend.
One Dominican was hit in the head with a back of the rifle as he did not wanted to stop on his motorcycle. As soon as they filled the truck with people (read - made a desired quote), soldiers left.
Who ordered soldiers to molest people in poor neighborhood?
Were they looking for terrorists in Hoyo?
Summit is starting today in Hotel Moon Palace (Hard Rock Cafe Hotel), which is extreme 5 stars hotel, with 8 swimming pools on the beach front, huge lobby with A/C (looks like airport), there is a river, bridges, and elevators in each building. Spa looks great as it has infinity edge pond.
From: Dominican Republic
Now CEJIL is forcing Dominican Republic to play by their rules.
Stupid thing was when somebody from the Dominican government received the money in Guatemala to recognize Kosovo. (Spain never did).
This will lead to the issue that Haitians will demand schools in French, street names in French, and after they would try to separate Barahona and others areas where Haitians lives in majority.
From: Dominican Republic
How shameless Haitians are, coming to Dominican Republic asking for human rights?
Those filthy, uneducated rapists and murders will not have any rights on this side of the island.
Summit in Dominican Republic is political absurd and Leonel is shooting himself in the foot.
I find this summit as an unpatriotic act from Leonel.
He should read more about history of Dominican Republic.
Written by: Dee82, 2 Jun 2010 11:15 AM
From: United States
The people that are attending to this summit don't belong to any particular country. This lunatics m*******ers agenda is to seek n destroy country like ours for they socialist believes.I said F*** humman rights, f*** the international community,deport them all and seal the border clean out the country of these parasites before they destroy us.
From: United States
Milo,
Those filthy, uneducated rapists and murders. show the world your stupidity. Funny thing is if someone wrote that about dominicans in the ny post youd scream bloody racism.
From: United States
Written by: CarlosFranco, 2 Jun 2010 7:02 AM
From: United States, Brooklyn
Pepe...
You said leave only haitians vital to the economy... But our countrymen are risking their lives at sea. These economically vital haitians are the reason why they are leaving the country! Kick them out and they'll be plenty of jobs for dominicans, in fact the shoratage of workers should cause a natural raise in pay and our men won't have to leave the country for a descent wage!
Carlosfranco,
dominicans are leaving their country because of haitians. hmmm. why are mexicans, jamaicans, people from eastern europe, Africa, etc migrating? haitians right. Black plague was caused by haitians? Potato famine haitians? Jimmy Hoffa yep haitians? kennedy you guessed it haitians?
9/11 haitians?
People migrate to other countries searching for better paying jobs. Carlos
From: United States
I personally think if you were born somewhere then that is where you would have citizenship. I was born in the U.S. but I am of dominican,mexican and jamaican decent. Does that not make me american? Even though my parents are foreigners I was born and raised in brooklyn,new york.You can't get more american than that but I still have a strong backround in all of my heritage and my parents made sure we completely understood where we came from.
From: United States
Danny00 you R 2 funny!
The same things Dominicans say about Haitians are said of Dominicans all over the Caribbean and Latin America. This has all got to stop somewhere! "Seal the border" ??? What are they going to do, hire a bunch of Haitians to build a wall? They build everything else in the DR. Unless of course you'd like to get a job toiling under the hot Sun for pennies like they do. Hilarious!!! Insanity rules the day on this issue.
From: United States, new england
just my view : i think those who are illegal should be sent back to haiti. those who were born in dr to illegals haitians should be sent back to haiti before they reach the age of 13.
Written by: Belly, 2 Jun 2010 4:35 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
I have always wondered how many of those here supporting giving Dominican Citizenship to illegal aliens in DR will actually suffer or even bother to help if this were to happen.
My personal opinion has always been that the will of those working and living the everyday Dominican Republic as many of us do or did should actually be the voice to be heard above any opinion or "International Laws crap" that is getting push here. I think most of the ones "supporting it" won't ever move back to DR yet want to change it's way of running daily.
The new constitution is simply the result of what many who will suffer think.
My father now 58 Years old born, raised and living in DR (SFM) has always been against it and so have I too for the obvious reason of having something to loose if this happens. Just my opinion on the matter.
The problem with illegal immigration is simple "En RD no hay cama pa tanta gente"
Written by: vacanos, 2 Jun 2010 5:22 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
How ironic the "cruel" Balaguer in life became second to none when it came to defending our Patria from all these lacras social justice human rights BS. He spoted all these cacoroach a miles before we all did. He fough these Social Justice garbage like a titan. In death all these ultra liberal lacras including many Dominicans like Juno Diaz called him racist because of his stance against illegal Haitians. Will a lawyer like Leonel who watch his image abroad like Rubirosa once did or any of his party's leader along with the corrupt opposition have the ball in check to defend our Dominicanismo? No I don't think so. The dream of so many of us to retire back to our country is so unclear at this moment. God knows what await us in 20 years.
Written by: vacanos, 2 Jun 2010 5:50 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
AFRO we are not black, white, yellow, brown, ect WE ARE DOMINICANS PERIOD. Don't you ever confuse color with Patria ignorant. We come in all shape you can think of. Let me teach you something of our history. When the 600,000 Haitians invaded our then 70,000 colonist these Haitians savage came in to implement their will on us raping our women, killing our kids, abolishing our Spanish language and Christian religion, also these Haitians racist forbid all the white, meztiso population from owning land (who is the racist?). As you can see looking at those facts can give you an idea ignorant Afro how come only 70,000 untrained colonists repelled over half of Millions Haitians with the most equipped and trained army you know the one that slaughter Napoleon's army.
And if not by our good heart we could had push them over to the sea.
From: Dominican Republic
Now we have a problem with number of population, as for 9,000,000 Haitians, you would need 3000 cruise ships to take them back to Africa, so they don't suffer any more in Caribbean.
It can be done twice faster with Ship GENESIS, it can hold 6000 passangers.
From: Dominican Republic
Last what I hear is that Swedish girl was raped by Haitian moto concho who had a gun, in El Cortecito, close to Arenal de Caribe residential.
Without publishing a link to the body without head, you can search on Google for "decapitation bavaro" a Dominican that was decapitated by a Haitian national in Bavaro, it was few years ago.
And the term "stinks as machete" is not necessary to explain.
Todos se van.
From: United States
vacanos,
Remember the internet has all the information available too everyone. So when you spew your twisted sense of history remember the internet is the great equalizer.
Remember the same savages were the same ones who fought with you when Spain wanted to reimplement Slavery after you turned the country over to Spain.
Teach him about the racial dynamics of the caribbean.
Everyone has access to the same information. fast forward 2010.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Well said Vacano, this is not internet crap, this is History, not twisted facts. It is said that in those days thousands of Dominican had to fleed for Cuba and P.R. because of their skin color they had to leave their own land.
You know what I think? another parsley masacre is going to happen, and this time is not going to be carried out by the government, but but by the people, things look good now, but may not be like that in the future; one day the racial tension is going to hit the boiling point and all hell will break loose.
...by the way, I hope Im wrong, I wouldn't like to see innocent people get hurt, but History tend to repeat itself.
Written by: Pepe32, 2 Jun 2010 10:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Fake afroamerican (under cover piti) If you ever write a book it wouldn't be fit to wipe my arse given the examples you have given us.
All you cretins that come to Dominican today don't understand basic logic which is that if we Dominicans are the 4th Reich as some retards on this forum describe us then Haiti must be the final gate to hell because no matter what we do they try to get into DR and if we kick them out they keep coming back!! Imagine how bad the Haitian elites treat these people that they flood into the newest "apartheid" state!!
Written by: Pepe32, 2 Jun 2010 10:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic
but idiots like you confuse race with nationality and the last thing any Dominican wants to be is Haitian...call us Jamaican and we wil say "Ya mon" Trinidadian is fine ,Virgin Islander is great but we will not ever be thankful for the raping and pillaging of our nation by a bloodthirsty mob hell bent on destroying all that is not african ..you see in our island unlike the US it was those of African blood who did most of the killing and raping and until I hear an official apology it is they who have invaded us multiple times so please take your sad afronazi arse somewhere else because we will just tar and feather you here!
Written by: Pepe32, 2 Jun 2010 10:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic
If you truly are "new" and not another afronazi incarnation you will receive the proper welcome in this forum because we do not tolerate afronazis here except for some Haitians and a few misguided Dominicans we will put you in your place quicker than you can say piti garcon.
The idiocy of Haitian blood is one that has been demonstrated to be hogwash because even the black "cocolos" (Dominicans descended from the English speaking islands ) do not want to associate with Haitians and they are black we also have our own "criollo" blacks and mixed who have been here for hundreds of years which you can identify by their last names (Perez,Martinez,etc) and some communities in Santo Domingo which are blacks of Spanish culture not Haitian ,
Written by: mjsd82, 2 Jun 2010 11:08 PM
From: United States
haitians..... why are you guys in this forum? why don't you guys go to to haitixchange.com and complain about dominicans there.
From: Dominican Republic
ignoranceisbliss,
stinks as machete means "bajo de machete", don't you know that?
From: Dominican Republic
Talking about terms, ignoranceisbliss, do you know what is Haitian Stew?
Cannibalism in Haiti is not related with their official religion, Voodoo.
They recognize one God, Bondye, also they think that body is made of ti-bon-ange (universal soul) and gwo-bon ange (personal soul) and can reach Bondye by Loa (spirit).
They have mail priests houngans, and female mambos, and black magic priests "bokor".
Hounganikan is master of the ceremony, Hounsi are servers.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1S1x6Lu....nvFgdLBlw/s1600-h/Cannibalism.jpgVoodoo is coming from Ghana, Togo and Benin.
As you can see, it is totally different then Domincian Republic.
Written by: mjsd82, 3 Jun 2010 5:04 AM
From: United States
PatDiamond, is that all you've got?? Jokes about families being prostitutes?? you think that affects us? everything you see all of us write on this forum is TRUE. you're just stereotyping .... my family doesn't have to sell their flesh to get paid TRUST ME, you sound like a typical haitian, when you tell them the truth or they got left is insults. LOL !!! what an idiot.
From: United States
milokakarat
stinks as machete means "bajo de machete", don't you know that?
now you talk about voodoo. Everyone can believe in anything they want. Human condition to believe in a higher power. I don't care if you worship paper clips. Your perogative.
PEPE, ATEO that hatred is ingrained in you from the womb. Move on.
From: United States
actually, atabey, i meant " inspection", not introspection. introspection is the act of looking at one's own thoughts. i meant looking at the problem. the basic reason why these threads generate so much ill will is because the problem is really perplexing, sensitive, and emotional, and requires sane thinking to ventilate it constructively. sadly , the usual jackasses show up with the insults, which they substitute for academic inquiry. time for some people to grow up. calling people cacaroaches is not going to advance the dialogue one iota, vacanos. and, the rest of the vitriol will change nothing. Pat Diamond made some caustic observations, but all the ranters and ravers should read his posting several times, if they do not get the gist the first time.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Excellent advice Dread .........take it !......Good morning
From: United States
top of the morning to you too, blutarsky.
From: United States
Dread,
It's usually the same group of kids living in the us that spew the same hatred. This conference shows the relationship between haitian and dr business is no longer a hidden secret.
Things will never go back to the way is was. Money makes for strange bedfellows.
Both sides of the island are misinformed about the other to keep each other at bay.
The usually 6 guys plus 1 are falling by the waste side. They're like a raindrop in a river
Written by: vacanos, 3 Jun 2010 11:45 AM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Sbelmont let me have a few word with you imbecil
Every country has its share of lady of the night. DR is no exception but that a Haitian like you will bring that topic to defend your people backwardness shame on you. Do you know the word RAVESTAK? I bet you don't dummies you know why because all of you ignorant proud Haitian feel proud from abroad and feel pity for the one left behind. You guys never come back to your land to propagate the fruit like we Dominican do who invest in our country even if we are at the end of the world. Why don't you write a memo to all the Haitians who graduate in DR's Universities to go back to their country to give its country something back? Why don't you go to Spring Valley, NY and tell them once in a while to invest a cent in Haiti.
You know why you won't do that because ignorant like you from birth try to blame others for your own wrongdoing.
From: United States
sbelmont, i can believe that vacanos is that stupid. because, he is. he is a country bumpkin who first saw a toaster when he went to new york, and now tries to come off like the arbiter of good manners, taste, and adjustment. he has not made one intelligent remark in all his time here, and , since he has the manners of a goat, he believes that he can substitute poor behavior for argument. i can see why you consider him a liability to the reputation of the Dominicans abroad, and also at home.
Written by: vacanos, 3 Jun 2010 1:29 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Dreads
truth hurt doeesn't it rastaman? You took it like putting salt in a wound that is what happen when foreigners expecially Haitians come in here talking craps about us, Dread my idiot camrade.
From: United States, NJ (M_ S Cibaeno 100%)
PAT,
I don't expect anything less from you haitian; I guess you beleive every Dominican Woman is a prostitute to you, I would like for you to say that to a Dominican face to face, good luck with the outcome of that.
Haiti always gonna be the same, because of being like you.
Written by: vacanos, 3 Jun 2010 2:37 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Jersey
These Cacoroach are nothing more than malcontent Haitians that envy our good fortune.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
MS jersey
Sorry if I stepped on your corn too.
FYI- That statistic is not made up by me, It was quoted by DT a few months back. I see you only have the capacity to skim thru things but lack reading comprehension. As the head of The Confederate Of Dunces glad to hear from you miss.
Written by: Beau305, 3 Jun 2010 4:54 PM
From: United States, Fort bragg north carolina
It surprises me to see that how some of you guys can not come up on the board with better IDEAS in order for all of us to have a constructive debate.But instead,some of you guys are preaching VIOLENCE, DISRESPECTING one another .That Discussion is like jogging on the treadmill burning a lot of energy without going no where;and i won't learn anything from it.
Messieurs l'imbecilite n'est plus a la mode ok!
We are in the 21st Century guys it's time to wake up!
From: United States
Messieurs l'imbecilite n'est plus a la mode ok!
No beau the problem is 6 or 7 of these guys stupidity is in their DNA. I went to DR and I saw haitians and dominicans are misinformed about one another.
These 6 7 guys are 1/2 generation removed from the barriors slums and barely literate so to make themselves feel superior well you see.
You know its a minority because after the earthquake DR was the first one in haiti
Written by: lovingit, 3 Jun 2010 9:57 PM
From: United States, Delaware
Wow Milos!... I see you have resurrected on this forum after that heated argument with Arsenio over a year ago. I also see you came back with a sharp tongue too.. ouch!!!
How are things you old Serbian Bud? or is it Yugo? I forget.
From: United States
ignoranceisbliss, i guess where you have seen wherein i have written, many a time and oft, that you can take the bumpkins out of the country, but you cannot take the country out of the bumpkins. so, you get guys like vacanos, who is not far removed from a primate in behavior, but who has managed to go to the USA, where he can now use running water, suddenly acting like he is some authority on world affairs. he should be enrolled in a circus as the first known example of pithecanthropus erectus that can actually manipulate a computer keyboard.
Written by: mjsd82, 3 Jun 2010 11:30 PM
From: United States
you know what, im done arguin with some of the hatians in here, all they got is jokes about dominican women being prostitutes or all dominican men selling drugs, i won't waste my time with them anymore, anytime why stand up for our country or we try showing them that there are rules in DR that have to be followed all they have is their little generalization jokes of dominicans. i wont waste my time anymore, now i realize why haiti is they way it is. if i was haitian and i see how DR has moved forward i'll be hating on DR as well. Im done with these ungrateful people.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
@mjsd82
FYI- the purpose of a forum is not to argue,but to exchange ideas. Can you please ad a little more dept to your argument. While you may be impressing your peers( those with no more than a 10 grade education) by your usage of wikipidia to make pseudo intellectual argument you simply come off very glib to the rest of us.
From: United States
PatDiamond, you are too kind when you address some of these primevals in such muted, restrained, tones. i am not capable of suffering fools gladly, and i have to just let it all come out when i read some of these six year old child insights. guys, go get an education! a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Written by: mjsd82, 4 Jun 2010 2:33 AM
From: United States
Thank you MiniMarket for the link!
From: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito"
Ignorance is Bliss is quite the character when it comes to anything haitian or dominican. One time i made a comment along the lines of a haitian in dajabon and ignorance took great offense to the joke which was so obvious. He is another mojon out of the arsehole of oupala 07!!!! Do not be afraid of him my people!!!
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Banana Nose you have been conspicuous by your absence .....Whats happening in Flint ?
From: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito"
I dont know Grandpa but i wanted to ask you if you were a pedophile hanging out in florida...jajajajajajajajaja How are things going on the real? Young Buenazo has a bottle of Black Label not even opened yet that will be opened for a special occasion. Drinken straight of coarse. Their is nothing like a good brand of scotch straight and untainted. Blessings to you AbueloTroll.
From: United States
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 2 Jun 2010 9:14 PM
From: United States
vacanos,
Remember the internet has all the information available too everyone. So when you spew your twisted sense of history remember the internet is the great equalizer.
Remember the same savages were the same ones who fought with you when Spain wanted to reimplement Slavery after you turned the country over to Spain.
Teach him about the racial dynamics of the caribbean.
Everyone has access to the same information. fast forward 2010.
From: United States
vacanos cannot be taught. for that, you have to start with a receptacle for information, called a brain. that is an entity of which he is bereft.
From: United States
Written by: mirabal4ever, 4 Jun 2010 8:02 AM
From: United States
Ignorance is Bliss is quite the character when it comes to anything haitian or dominican. One time i made a comment along the lines of a haitian in dajabon and ignorance took great offense to the joke which was so obvious. He is another mojon out of the arsehole of oupala 07!!!! Do not be afraid of him my people!!!
No you saw a primate in a bikini and you made a reference to the women on the border. So yes I take offense to you comparing poor haitian women on the border as monkey in a bikini.
Don't insult people and when they do it right back you become sensitive
Why be afraid of me? If you met me you'd like me. LOL.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
From: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito"
I made a refrence to a fellow dominican concerning the primate in a joking way. You have not been on this website very long to know most of the people on here unless you are under a different name no different than many of the trolls on here. Reading some of the stuff you put on here you follow in the footsteps of your father Dessalines the enraged beast that could not be tamed. Go ahead because you are nothing more than plant like material that multiplys at a rapid rate. Thank you for your input CancerIgnorance!!!!! K viva La Republica Dominicana. Oye moyo! Toma un Galleta! LOLOLOLOLOL Btw thanks for assuming i was refering to haitian woman specifically. Ever heard of reading comprehension? Do they teach that in Cite Soliel?
From: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito"
Every haitians excuse is this:
"Remember the same savages were the same ones who fought with you when Spain wanted to reimplement Slavery after you turned the country over to Spain".
In the meantime many criollo families were kicked off of their property and seized by the hands of the savages. Are you going to say all of those people were slave masters?
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Have some more taters Carl
From: United States
Written by: mirabal4ever, 4 Jun 2010 11:12 AM
From: United States
Your last comments proved my point. I rest my case. You don't know me well enough to know if lived in cite soleil.
comprehension no spelling yes. You can talk about Dessalines all you want. He still was a central figure that freed black from being sold like chatel. That's right Dominicans weren't slaves.
Who ended slavery in your country? Do you prefer african men women children to be sold like chatel. Raping women is better? Breaking up families is better? Dehumanizing another human being is better. Or are you one of those that will tell me the Spanish weren't involved in slavery. Or they weren't that bad.
We can talk about the past or discuss the present on plan for the future? Your call.
From: United States
Written by: mirabal4ever, 4 Jun 2010 11:21 AM
From: United States
Every haitians excuse is this:
"Remember the same savages were the same ones who fought with you when Spain wanted to reimplement Slavery after you turned the country over to Spain".
In the meantime many criollo families were kicked off of their property and seized by the hands of the savages. Are you going to say all of those people were slave masters?
Mirabel,
What did they did the do with the land? Let me see if you will put it in writing?
From: Dominican Republic
Lovingit,
Serbian, from Belgrade. That would be Ex Yugo.
How's in Delaware?
From: United States
miloskorac, what is your point? let me rephrase that. do you have a point? are you trying to make one? i remain bemused, and just need some clarification.
From: Dominican Republic
No point at all.
Written by: mjsd82, 5 Jun 2010 1:15 AM
From: United States
this is for all dominicans: don't answer to these haitians, they think they're proving something using big ass words and demanding explanations, that's what they want. Just like they have flooded the DR, they flood every DR forum. notice the last 10-15 comments in here and read what the haitians write down, they are just proving us right more and more and more, they come back to this dominican website and post, can you feel how bitter they are? Man, today is a good day to be dominican. Im going to my beatiful DR in 1 week for the second time this year, just like thousands more dominicans this summer and winter to spend our money in our beautiful country to give our economy a little boost. Dominicans talk the talk and walk the walk, we care about our side of the island. So dominicans, these haitians here are too " intelectual " for us, we're too " stupid" to talk to them, we have to give them explanations in our own forum, ain't that some shit? let's wait for the bitter replies.
From: United States
actually mjsd, i am not haitian , so i do not think your comments apply to me. mine , however , apply to you. have you ever given serious thought to paying a visit to a psychiatrist for some intervention? you have some serious mental maladjustment issues that you should consider turning over to the hands of trained professionals. your postings indicate that only learned specialists in social, and antisocial , behaviors can attempt to rectify your condition.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Dread says " Support mental health or i'll kill you "
From: United States
mjsd82,
I said move on from the past. The only reason I come here is because of the name calling before. savages, necrophiliacs, cannibals, etc were used to describe haitians. I laughed at first but then I was insulted and started to response.
I don't want to go over history again it won't change the past. Some of you guys are a little too pompous spreading historical misinformation need to be answered. Everything I say I can prove from multiple sources (not haitian sources).
I've met plenty of educated Dominicans that don't have this pompous I'm better than you attitude.
Things will never be the same between dr and haiti. the intl community is pushing it so you dont have a choice. When people are praising trujillio and call for another "cleansing" you should call them out not me.
When you spit in someones face and they answer don't get mad. Take it like a man or woman.
From: Dominican Republic
drèdlok,
How tall are you?
From: United States
tall enough that my feet reach the ground. your question causes me to restate the interrogatives of yesterday...what is your point? or, do you have one?. also, my handle is not that difficult to spell. there is no justification for mangling it. that is disrespectful.
From: Dominican Republic
I am asking you how tall you are, as it is a personal question, and a simple one, wanted to see your reaction as clearly you can not answer simple in an noble manner else then opponent way. Each article's comments on dominicantoday becomes an irrelevant personal discussion, pointing on other comments and copy pasting other comments with a revelations of truths how ignorant other people are.
Hablando de falta de respecto, cada persona tiene su propio comentario, si te gusta o no. No tiene que ofenderse si una persona tiene una opinion diferente que suya, especialmente para personas de mayor edad.
Para ser prepotente tienes que crecer un poquito mas, altura te va dar posibilidad de ver cosas de diferente angulo y ver mas lejo. Sino, zapatos con plataforma ayudan mucho, escaleras, o subir en un edificio alto.
From: United States
i have no idea what you are talking about. all i know is that i have upbraided you once before for making some racist replies on this board. i understand that english is not your first language, and some ideas are lost in the translation. but, i detect certain undertones that i would like to have clarified. some of the comments i have seen you to write certainly do not square with the idea of what is noble.
From: United States
Until Haitians are viewed as equals and as human beings there will continue to be problems. So many people don't even realize just how badly they have been taught to hate. Education is necessary on both sides of the issue.
Written by: Nayna, 16 Jun 2011 12:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Samana Peninsula
I am appalled...simply put. This reminds me of 'the Mexican problem' in the USA, but on steroids. I say EQUALITY FOR ALL!
God only looks out for children...and FOOLS.
God bless you all.
From: United States
@Pepe - who said, "So basically all they have to do is cross over illegally and have their kids in DR and Dominican sovereignty doesn't matter!!"
You know you could very easily just change a few words here and there and it would take on another meaning. Watch.....
"So basically all they (Dominicans) have to do is cross over illegally and their kids in the USA and American sovereignty doesn't matter!!"
See?? I know you are gonna say something like, "Dominicans should stay in the Dominican Republic" etc or something else of that nature. But the point is, if its wrong its wrong, if its illegal its illegal regardless of WHO does it. So if you condemn the one, you have to condemn the other. Every Nation does have its sovereignty, but if the Government itself does abide by its OWN laws and principles, how can expect its people to do the same?? And that goes for EVERY Nation. Like Nayna said, to God its all irrelevant. Its ignorance, hate and pride that perpetuate this nonse
Written by: Pepe32, 20 Jun 2011 9:19 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Bernard,this is where you lose because I believe the US has EVERY RIGHT to protect its sovereignty and ANYONE who enters without permission can be deported!
Bu even the simple analogy is silly because the ILLEGAL Dominicans represent a minute percentage of the US population . the US is rich and the DR has never invaded and occupied the US.
DR is a poor nation ,with a massive ILLEGAL presence from a nation that occupied it brutally and then invaded multiple times .
So in summary the US can deport whomever they wish and so can DR.
Written by: Pepe32, 20 Jun 2011 9:25 AM
From: Dominican Republic
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From: United States
Soooo, your implying that since the US is Larger and has more resources its 'ok' for a person to come illegally, but since DR is smaller and with less resources its horrible and disrespectful for a Haitian to 'invade' the US?? You see the problem with that is you can NOT, dejame ponerlo claro, you CAN NOT base illegality on the size of a Nation or its wealth. Laws are put into place REGARDLESS of those two factors. You say DR has never 'invaded and occupied the US'. And I agree. But go ask a person born in the USA as patriotic and some Dominicans are for their country, and they disagree. They will quickly consider Dominicans and EVERYONE ELSE an invasion, especially the ones who come illegally. That is the same bias, and ignorant attitude that people use against Haitians. For those who have such a view it is pure and simply double standards. If the US was the same size as DR it would ALSO be a massive ILLEGAL presence. That is a variable irrelevant to the validity of Law.
Written by: Pepe32, 30 Jun 2011 11:02 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Bernard,I think you have reading comprehension problems.,read quotes;
"I believe the US has EVERY RIGHT to protect its sovereignty and ANYONE who enters without permission can be deported!"
Also you miss the clear fact that the overwhelming majority of Dominicans in the US are LEGAL and even the majority of ILLEGALS are documented as entering the US (visitors visa and overstay) so the US has allowed them in and KNOWS they are in the country.
The overwhelming majority of Haitians on the other hand are not only ILLEGAL ,they are undocumented so the DR has no accounting of them ,they just hopped the fence .
Add to that the historical animosity between the nations and you cannot even begin to compare the situations.
Written by: Pepe32, 30 Jun 2011 11:04 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Until Haitians respect the sovereignty of the DR there will continue to be problems. So many people don't even realize that DR cannot assume the burden for Haiti's errors. Education is necessary on a massive scale to bring Haiti at least to the third world level.
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I say deport all except the ones necessary for the economy ,give those papers and deport the rest!
Withstand the pressure "a la Honduras" and eventually they will cave in because their are too many foreign interests in DR ($$$) and the investors will not allow their investments to go sour because of Haitians!
Their is little time to act because it will soon become too late and some will be left crying like women what they couldn't defend as men!
Any candidate that does not have a hard line in this issue should not be elected.
"The new constitution raises additional concerns, and we hope that this case will spur a more productive dialogue on how the country can work to end these racist policies."
Well the solutions to this problem is actually very simple. Follow the Dominican immigration laws and this problem would have NOT existed to begin with. Is as simple of a solution as it gets but that's too much to ask! right?
By the way the new constitution does not raise any concerns, it simple made a simple solution simpler on paper to avoid confusion. So Peralta save your whining for a case where you have a valid point because in this one is simply making a case for the new text in the Dominican constitution sound even better.
Why don't this pigs go and accuse Israel for what they did yesterday with the Palestinian flotilla of ships, and all the countless abuses done to Palestinians by Israel and the U.S Itself!...
Well Said
Pepe I believed what you are trying to say DR should implement a guess worker program with a quota to satisfy it's cheap labor needs.I'm fine with that, I firmly believe the DR government should also police those that hire illegals, surely they are coming over simply because they believed they will be tolerated. Now tell me why such basic policy is not in place?
They Are but only those within the "legal status".
Not Illegals, Consuls or Diplomat -Bodies Children's have a Right to Dominican Citizenship !!!
Why those people don't come over to Germany and say that people breaking the law have such a Right. Illegals in Germany are Criminals as simple as that.
Don't Break the Law then you shouldn't be punished.
I hope D.R. start setting example: Our Laws are to be respected, there is not IF, CASE, or Exception.
The Haitians and the the NGO's pushing for them, are persistently trying to elbow their way in the Dominican food table, as uninvited and unwelcome guests.
Dominicans and their government have to select a strong immigration policy, and a "no questions asked" immediate deportation back to Haiti, after properly making a record of the first offense.
Most 95% of all Haitian illegals cross the border with no papers whatsoever, and come to DR to give birth in our hospitals. There are even bus tours to bring pregnant women to DR hospitals to give birth. The present estimated rate of Haitian illegal immigration by independent sources is over 100,000 illegals every month. If that rate keeps constant or rising, we can kiss good-by to the DR as a Spanish speaking country, and the DR will be pulled down quickly by the mass exporting of the Haitian poor, sick, pregnant, homeless and unemployed and quickly become another failed state, with a barren landscape caused by predatory cutting of trees.
Don't mind the Yanks... They can't eliminate racism in their own country and yet have the ball to tell us what we should do...
Pepe...
You said leave only haitians vital to the economy... But our countrymen are risking their lives at sea. These economically vital haitians are the reason why they are leaving the country! Kick them out and they'll be plenty of jobs for dominicans, in fact the shoratage of workers should cause a natural raise in pay and our men won't have to leave the country for a descent wage!
When Haitians discriminate against, bestialize,brutalize. terrorize Haitians , it is ok. No need to have a summit to expose and denounce this everyday occurence
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37399313/ns/politics/
I just think its funny that one of our biggest critics when it comes to our citizen granting practices, is also trying to do the same.
I think you meant "introspection." But nonetheless your point is well taken, the DR and Haiti have allowed this situation to get out of hands, and sadly, it may only take a severe event like a nasty hurricane, very possible, this year to trigger or spark a nasty series of events. In the event many hundreds of thousands of poor Haitians would walk-over and then we indeed will be witnesses to the tipping point. I for one hope this can be averted, but reasoned thoughts say this possibility is more probable than most would like to admit or feel comfortable saying so. In the end, it will take massive infrastructure rebuilding in Haiti, a strong export platform economy, and lots of hard work to begin turning around this situation. Oh, and I almost forgot to mention, Lots and Lots of luck!
From: United States, Faber College Double Secret Probation
This is the work of Gringo Afro Nazis]]
Wow!
A Trioxymoron!!!
Okay, that would be for the security.
What I don't like is that in Saturday 40 or more soldiers entered to Hoyo (poor neighborhood) and arresting people on the street. I was playing pool with a friend.
One Dominican was hit in the head with a back of the rifle as he did not wanted to stop on his motorcycle. As soon as they filled the truck with people (read - made a desired quote), soldiers left.
Who ordered soldiers to molest people in poor neighborhood?
Were they looking for terrorists in Hoyo?
Summit is starting today in Hotel Moon Palace (Hard Rock Cafe Hotel), which is extreme 5 stars hotel, with 8 swimming pools on the beach front, huge lobby with A/C (looks like airport), there is a river, bridges, and elevators in each building. Spa looks great as it has infinity edge pond.
Stupid thing was when somebody from the Dominican government received the money in Guatemala to recognize Kosovo. (Spain never did).
This will lead to the issue that Haitians will demand schools in French, street names in French, and after they would try to separate Barahona and others areas where Haitians lives in majority.
Those filthy, uneducated rapists and murders will not have any rights on this side of the island.
Summit in Dominican Republic is political absurd and Leonel is shooting himself in the foot.
I find this summit as an unpatriotic act from Leonel.
He should read more about history of Dominican Republic.
Those filthy, uneducated rapists and murders. show the world your stupidity. Funny thing is if someone wrote that about dominicans in the ny post youd scream bloody racism.
From: United States, Brooklyn
Pepe...
You said leave only haitians vital to the economy... But our countrymen are risking their lives at sea. These economically vital haitians are the reason why they are leaving the country! Kick them out and they'll be plenty of jobs for dominicans, in fact the shoratage of workers should cause a natural raise in pay and our men won't have to leave the country for a descent wage!
Carlosfranco,
dominicans are leaving their country because of haitians. hmmm. why are mexicans, jamaicans, people from eastern europe, Africa, etc migrating? haitians right. Black plague was caused by haitians? Potato famine haitians? Jimmy Hoffa yep haitians? kennedy you guessed it haitians?
9/11 haitians?
People migrate to other countries searching for better paying jobs. Carlos
The same things Dominicans say about Haitians are said of Dominicans all over the Caribbean and Latin America. This has all got to stop somewhere! "Seal the border" ??? What are they going to do, hire a bunch of Haitians to build a wall? They build everything else in the DR. Unless of course you'd like to get a job toiling under the hot Sun for pennies like they do. Hilarious!!! Insanity rules the day on this issue.
My personal opinion has always been that the will of those working and living the everyday Dominican Republic as many of us do or did should actually be the voice to be heard above any opinion or "International Laws crap" that is getting push here. I think most of the ones "supporting it" won't ever move back to DR yet want to change it's way of running daily.
The new constitution is simply the result of what many who will suffer think.
My father now 58 Years old born, raised and living in DR (SFM) has always been against it and so have I too for the obvious reason of having something to loose if this happens. Just my opinion on the matter.
The problem with illegal immigration is simple "En RD no hay cama pa tanta gente"
How ironic the "cruel" Balaguer in life became second to none when it came to defending our Patria from all these lacras social justice human rights BS. He spoted all these cacoroach a miles before we all did. He fough these Social Justice garbage like a titan. In death all these ultra liberal lacras including many Dominicans like Juno Diaz called him racist because of his stance against illegal Haitians. Will a lawyer like Leonel who watch his image abroad like Rubirosa once did or any of his party's leader along with the corrupt opposition have the ball in check to defend our Dominicanismo? No I don't think so. The dream of so many of us to retire back to our country is so unclear at this moment. God knows what await us in 20 years.
And if not by our good heart we could had push them over to the sea.
It can be done twice faster with Ship GENESIS, it can hold 6000 passangers.
Without publishing a link to the body without head, you can search on Google for "decapitation bavaro" a Dominican that was decapitated by a Haitian national in Bavaro, it was few years ago.
And the term "stinks as machete" is not necessary to explain.
Todos se van.
Remember the internet has all the information available too everyone. So when you spew your twisted sense of history remember the internet is the great equalizer.
Remember the same savages were the same ones who fought with you when Spain wanted to reimplement Slavery after you turned the country over to Spain.
Teach him about the racial dynamics of the caribbean.
Everyone has access to the same information. fast forward 2010.
You know what I think? another parsley masacre is going to happen, and this time is not going to be carried out by the government, but but by the people, things look good now, but may not be like that in the future; one day the racial tension is going to hit the boiling point and all hell will break loose.
...by the way, I hope Im wrong, I wouldn't like to see innocent people get hurt, but History tend to repeat itself.
All you cretins that come to Dominican today don't understand basic logic which is that if we Dominicans are the 4th Reich as some retards on this forum describe us then Haiti must be the final gate to hell because no matter what we do they try to get into DR and if we kick them out they keep coming back!! Imagine how bad the Haitian elites treat these people that they flood into the newest "apartheid" state!!
The idiocy of Haitian blood is one that has been demonstrated to be hogwash because even the black "cocolos" (Dominicans descended from the English speaking islands ) do not want to associate with Haitians and they are black we also have our own "criollo" blacks and mixed who have been here for hundreds of years which you can identify by their last names (Perez,Martinez,etc) and some communities in Santo Domingo which are blacks of Spanish culture not Haitian ,
stinks as machete means "bajo de machete", don't you know that?
Cannibalism in Haiti is not related with their official religion, Voodoo.
They recognize one God, Bondye, also they think that body is made of ti-bon-ange (universal soul) and gwo-bon ange (personal soul) and can reach Bondye by Loa (spirit).
They have mail priests houngans, and female mambos, and black magic priests "bokor".
Hounganikan is master of the ceremony, Hounsi are servers.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1S1x6Lu....nvFgdLBlw/s1600-h/Cannibalism.jpg
Voodoo is coming from Ghana, Togo and Benin.
As you can see, it is totally different then Domincian Republic.
stinks as machete means "bajo de machete", don't you know that?
now you talk about voodoo. Everyone can believe in anything they want. Human condition to believe in a higher power. I don't care if you worship paper clips. Your perogative.
PEPE, ATEO that hatred is ingrained in you from the womb. Move on.
It's usually the same group of kids living in the us that spew the same hatred. This conference shows the relationship between haitian and dr business is no longer a hidden secret.
Things will never go back to the way is was. Money makes for strange bedfellows.
Both sides of the island are misinformed about the other to keep each other at bay.
The usually 6 guys plus 1 are falling by the waste side. They're like a raindrop in a river
Every country has its share of lady of the night. DR is no exception but that a Haitian like you will bring that topic to defend your people backwardness shame on you. Do you know the word RAVESTAK? I bet you don't dummies you know why because all of you ignorant proud Haitian feel proud from abroad and feel pity for the one left behind. You guys never come back to your land to propagate the fruit like we Dominican do who invest in our country even if we are at the end of the world. Why don't you write a memo to all the Haitians who graduate in DR's Universities to go back to their country to give its country something back? Why don't you go to Spring Valley, NY and tell them once in a while to invest a cent in Haiti.
You know why you won't do that because ignorant like you from birth try to blame others for your own wrongdoing.
Dreads
truth hurt doeesn't it rastaman? You took it like putting salt in a wound that is what happen when foreigners expecially Haitians come in here talking craps about us, Dread my idiot camrade.
I don't expect anything less from you haitian; I guess you beleive every Dominican Woman is a prostitute to you, I would like for you to say that to a Dominican face to face, good luck with the outcome of that.
Haiti always gonna be the same, because of being like you.
These Cacoroach are nothing more than malcontent Haitians that envy our good fortune.
Sorry if I stepped on your corn too.
FYI- That statistic is not made up by me, It was quoted by DT a few months back. I see you only have the capacity to skim thru things but lack reading comprehension. As the head of The Confederate Of Dunces glad to hear from you miss.
Messieurs l'imbecilite n'est plus a la mode ok!
We are in the 21st Century guys it's time to wake up!
No beau the problem is 6 or 7 of these guys stupidity is in their DNA. I went to DR and I saw haitians and dominicans are misinformed about one another.
These 6 7 guys are 1/2 generation removed from the barriors slums and barely literate so to make themselves feel superior well you see.
You know its a minority because after the earthquake DR was the first one in haiti
How are things you old Serbian Bud? or is it Yugo? I forget.
FYI- the purpose of a forum is not to argue,but to exchange ideas. Can you please ad a little more dept to your argument. While you may be impressing your peers( those with no more than a 10 grade education) by your usage of wikipidia to make pseudo intellectual argument you simply come off very glib to the rest of us.
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vacanos,
Remember the internet has all the information available too everyone. So when you spew your twisted sense of history remember the internet is the great equalizer.
Remember the same savages were the same ones who fought with you when Spain wanted to reimplement Slavery after you turned the country over to Spain.
Teach him about the racial dynamics of the caribbean.
Everyone has access to the same information. fast forward 2010.
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Ignorance is Bliss is quite the character when it comes to anything haitian or dominican. One time i made a comment along the lines of a haitian in dajabon and ignorance took great offense to the joke which was so obvious. He is another mojon out of the arsehole of oupala 07!!!! Do not be afraid of him my people!!!
No you saw a primate in a bikini and you made a reference to the women on the border. So yes I take offense to you comparing poor haitian women on the border as monkey in a bikini.
Don't insult people and when they do it right back you become sensitive
Why be afraid of me? If you met me you'd like me. LOL.
"Remember the same savages were the same ones who fought with you when Spain wanted to reimplement Slavery after you turned the country over to Spain".
In the meantime many criollo families were kicked off of their property and seized by the hands of the savages. Are you going to say all of those people were slave masters?
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Your last comments proved my point. I rest my case. You don't know me well enough to know if lived in cite soleil.
comprehension no spelling yes. You can talk about Dessalines all you want. He still was a central figure that freed black from being sold like chatel. That's right Dominicans weren't slaves.
Who ended slavery in your country? Do you prefer african men women children to be sold like chatel. Raping women is better? Breaking up families is better? Dehumanizing another human being is better. Or are you one of those that will tell me the Spanish weren't involved in slavery. Or they weren't that bad.
We can talk about the past or discuss the present on plan for the future? Your call.
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Every haitians excuse is this:
"Remember the same savages were the same ones who fought with you when Spain wanted to reimplement Slavery after you turned the country over to Spain".
In the meantime many criollo families were kicked off of their property and seized by the hands of the savages. Are you going to say all of those people were slave masters?
Mirabel,
What did they did the do with the land? Let me see if you will put it in writing?
Serbian, from Belgrade. That would be Ex Yugo.
How's in Delaware?
I said move on from the past. The only reason I come here is because of the name calling before. savages, necrophiliacs, cannibals, etc were used to describe haitians. I laughed at first but then I was insulted and started to response.
I don't want to go over history again it won't change the past. Some of you guys are a little too pompous spreading historical misinformation need to be answered. Everything I say I can prove from multiple sources (not haitian sources).
I've met plenty of educated Dominicans that don't have this pompous I'm better than you attitude.
Things will never be the same between dr and haiti. the intl community is pushing it so you dont have a choice. When people are praising trujillio and call for another "cleansing" you should call them out not me.
When you spit in someones face and they answer don't get mad. Take it like a man or woman.
How tall are you?
Hablando de falta de respecto, cada persona tiene su propio comentario, si te gusta o no. No tiene que ofenderse si una persona tiene una opinion diferente que suya, especialmente para personas de mayor edad.
Para ser prepotente tienes que crecer un poquito mas, altura te va dar posibilidad de ver cosas de diferente angulo y ver mas lejo. Sino, zapatos con plataforma ayudan mucho, escaleras, o subir en un edificio alto.
God only looks out for children...and FOOLS.
God bless you all.
You know you could very easily just change a few words here and there and it would take on another meaning. Watch.....
"So basically all they (Dominicans) have to do is cross over illegally and their kids in the USA and American sovereignty doesn't matter!!"
See?? I know you are gonna say something like, "Dominicans should stay in the Dominican Republic" etc or something else of that nature. But the point is, if its wrong its wrong, if its illegal its illegal regardless of WHO does it. So if you condemn the one, you have to condemn the other. Every Nation does have its sovereignty, but if the Government itself does abide by its OWN laws and principles, how can expect its people to do the same?? And that goes for EVERY Nation. Like Nayna said, to God its all irrelevant. Its ignorance, hate and pride that perpetuate this nonse
Bu even the simple analogy is silly because the ILLEGAL Dominicans represent a minute percentage of the US population . the US is rich and the DR has never invaded and occupied the US.
DR is a poor nation ,with a massive ILLEGAL presence from a nation that occupied it brutally and then invaded multiple times .
So in summary the US can deport whomever they wish and so can DR.
"I believe the US has EVERY RIGHT to protect its sovereignty and ANYONE who enters without permission can be deported!"
Also you miss the clear fact that the overwhelming majority of Dominicans in the US are LEGAL and even the majority of ILLEGALS are documented as entering the US (visitors visa and overstay) so the US has allowed them in and KNOWS they are in the country.
The overwhelming majority of Haitians on the other hand are not only ILLEGAL ,they are undocumented so the DR has no accounting of them ,they just hopped the fence .
Add to that the historical animosity between the nations and you cannot even begin to compare the situations.
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