Santo Domingo.- Immigration Agency director Sigfrido Pared said Monday that his department will respond firmly to the entry of illegal Haitians into Dominican Republic after January 6.
As to the undocumented Haitians who live in Santiago, the official said the Interior and Police Ministry, the Office of the Prosecutor of Santiago, Jesuits Groups and Immigration officials participated a meeting on December 31, to prevent conflicts with them.
Pared said Immigration will proceed with the repatriation of Haitians who reside illegally in Dominican territory after January 6. “We are going to wait for January 6 to conclude, which is the date on which the authorities were committed to get the Police to intervene in the matter, proceeding to remove those people who reside illegally in diverse sectors of Santiago.”
He said those Haitians have become a serious threat to the peace and livelihood of the families reside in diverse barrios of Santiago, the country’s second biggest city.
Sectors of civil society, including the Catholic Church, have voiced their concern with the large number undocumented Haitians who live illegally in Santiago, Santo Domingo and other cities across the country.
From: United States, Brooklyn
Guard the border so that they wont return....
Get'em all!
From: United States, Brooklyn
seal the trucks so that they won't mount off
From: United States, Earth
Sad. I hope things go proceed in a very peaceable manner. Things would have never gotten to this point had their been consistency and concern displayed by the Governments (on both sides). Haitians are not looking to cause trouble or disrupt anything. Some do commit crimes, and the ones that do should be punished (just as any person regardless of where they are from) but the sheer majority are only looking for better living conditions. Many people falsely conclude that just 'staying' in Haiti and finding a job is a simply matter when it is not. There is virtually no infrastructure, no economic strongholds, no public services etc. Its not like Haitians come to DR out of sheer boredom. They HAVE to come as they are trying to survive. Haiti needs the support of the International community and its Sister nation. I hope things can be sorted out without violence. And I hope the mentality of people changes soon as it is the most disturbing problem of all.
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jan 2011 8:27 AM
From: United States, NYC
One powerful weapon against this tragic situation is to grant Haitians, especially those under 40 a chance at a new beginning outside the island. As I've stated before, there are few more powerful alternatives to uplifting the status and earning capacity of Haitians than to offer them a chance via work Visas in First World nation-states. The problem of course is that at this point in history major economies in the West are hurting bad for jobs and any significant Visa Program will have scant approval process. Yet, given that Haiti is a relatively small place, if many nations offered Visas, including those from the FrancoPhone World Community, it's very possible to arrive at a significant, for Haiti, number of Visas. If Haiti could get 50 thousand Visas per year it would go a long way towards meeting her needs. 100 thousand would stem the problem faster and allow for far better management of Haiti's internal problem: hope through job creation. Haiti needs significant downsizing
Written by: telemeco, 4 Jan 2011 8:30 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
I miss the day when Balaguer use to say on tv. " brigadiere General collect them all and take them back to the border, Sweep the country" You used to see convoy of truck going to Haiti in duarte highway.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago de los 30 Caballeros
We have enough of your own poor to concern ourselves with. Sometimes you just need to say goodbye—and good riddance.
From: United States, Earth
Its PAINFULLY ironic. I can not even begin to count the people who are from the DR living in the US (due to THEIR parents or grandparents migrating there - legally AND illegally) saying that Haitians should go back to their OWN Country. Just imagine how those sentiments would change if the US changed its policies years ago and employed the same type of "take them back to where they are from, sweep the Country", "get them out of 'our Country', shoot them if necessary" policies against immigrants from other Countries (including the Dominican Republic). Then it would be "all we want is peace and opportunity" etc. How twisted it is to reason that only 'US' are privileged to better opportunity. Freedom and Opportunity belongs to EVERYONE. This Earth belongs to God, its HIS HOUSE, there are NO BORDERS from Gods point of view. Where is the human compassion and sense of empathy? Que ATREVIMIENTO a decirle a Dios quienes pueden entrar en SU casa, cuando NOSOTROS somos los invitados!
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jan 2011 9:24 AM
From: United States, NYC
Well, Bernard remember that there are things left to Caesar and those left to God. Politics is within the domain of Caesar. And while many may wish the Kingdom of God to arrive, many others have long gotten use to the idea that perhaps its more between the ears, if anywhere, where this "arrival" will situate itself. So if you want to be relevant to the discussion, I suggest you leave God out of this equation. Think in terms of doable political alternatives.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago de los 30 Caballeros
The Dominican Republic has been great to Haiti by taking over 2 million poverty and disease stricken illegals, while providing the women and children with free health-care and public schooling with free breakfast.
The Dominican Republic and its people were great friends to the Haitian people during the earthquake by providing everything it could possibly give. And for anyone to start writing negative commentary about the Dominican Republic and its people will only prove that they are delusional and ungrateful.
From: United States, Earth
Respectfully-
"Dios y Trujillo" remember that??? I most certainly do. People often mix in religion when it 'appears' to be some mystical advantage for them, but when they KNOW they are morally wrong they are quick to retort "Church and State" first. My comments are not really that saturated with religion than they are with logic and reasonableness. Need I point out to you that the Dominican Flag is decorated with the words "DIOS, PATRIA, LIBERTAD". It also has a BIBLE and a CROSS, so it would not really be a stretch for me to say that under that umbrella of ideology, what the Dominican Government does is (or should be) representative of THOSE sentiments, since the flag IS a visible symbol of the Dominican Republic. So actually my opinion is VERY relevant to the issue. Perhaps even MORE relevant than those who "leave God out" of the equation. Now when the Dominican flag no longer says DIOS give me a call, y con mucho gusto I will keep things pertaining to Ceasar only.
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jan 2011 9:48 AM
From: United States, NYC
Delusional dude. The dollar states: In God We Trust. Go to a bank and ask them for a loan based on your "God" LOL.
Get real. DR has been one of the two greatest outlets for Haitians seeking a way out of that tragic inferno on earth. And as I've stated before, we in DR can not answer the Haitian Question. Only Haitians can do so. What is Haiti? Certainty it was not the DR that messed up the place and discombobulated the State and Nation called Haiti. Ask the French who set up the "hell on Earth" in the first place. And ask for your money back. It's said to number something north of 20 billion in today's dollars!
From: Dominican Republic
So who is going to do all the work now?
From: United States
this is sad. i dont know who to blame. i think the international community, these countries promised a lots of money to haiti, and so far, they havent received nothing.
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
If there were CONSISTENCY about how the laws are enforced, that situation would not have deteriorated as much.
What this country needs is a clear, consistent, efficient policy, and able men to implement and enforce it.
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jan 2011 10:16 AM
From: United States, NYC
So true WalterPolo.
From: United States, NJ (M_ S Cibaeno 100%)
Mr Bernard, every country has its own laws, let's say, if the USA wants to deport Dominicans cause they don't have their proper documentations, they have the right to do so, but in your bright mind, the D.R can't do that, right? Wrong, what happened is that we don't have a real man running the country, and everybody is doing whatever they want including the Haitians.
Sometimes I wonder what would've been of D.R. if Trujillo wouldn't have been part of our history, eventhough he did a lot of WRONG things, just think about it my Dominicans conpatriots.
From: United States, NJ (M_ S Cibaeno 100%)
Written by: Pepe32, 4 Jan 2011 10:36 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Bernard ,we recognise the right of every country to deport each and every ILLEGAL Dominican in their territory because unlike you we believe in the SOVEREIGNTY of every nation.
What is hilarious is when Haitians steal Dominican cattle ,cross the border and then the Dominican cattlemen cross the border to retrieve their property and Haiti arrests them for violating their sovereignty!!
All the homeless should move into the homes of those who support the elimination of borders since those poor people have nowhere to live and are only trying to survive...Let them move into Bernard and "Jarabacoa's" house !
Bernard,our country is OURS and we paid a high price in blood and tears mainly fighting to be and stay free from your people so please take your ridiculous discourse somwhere else!
Written by: Pepe32, 4 Jan 2011 10:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic
El Cibao al Frente,porque no valen de nada los puentes ,elevados ,los trenes y demas avances si no se detiene la ola masiva que nos azota!
Si no actuamos pronto nos quedaremos sin Patria y la isla entera se convertirá en un vertedero como la parte occidental .Nosotros no podemos con mas carga de la que ya tenemos ni con un pueblo que solo nos ha traido mas atraso ,ignorancia y miseria .Es hora de poner los intereses de nuestra Patria primero porque el tiempo se hace escaso .
El Cibao como siempre dará la cara !!
Written by: piemman, 4 Jan 2011 10:52 AM
From: Cayman Islands
How much does it cost to reside legally in the Dominican Republic...Deporting them will only solve the problem temporary.
If you guys have some cheap immigration process or some cheap fees that anyone can afford to pay in other to become a legal resident...damn it guys...you are just wasting your time...they will come back right at face with that small money...and corrupted immigrations officers will just let it flow...
Repatriation YES...but It can only last with a reinforcement of the immigration laws.
Written by: curlando, 4 Jan 2011 11:21 AM
From: United States, Bronx
Bye
From: Dominican Republic
Esto es lamentable, Dios protege al extranjero, Nosotros No somos nadie para mal tratar a nuestros hermanos haitianos, Es verdad que existen leyes que hay que cumplir, y estar en un pais desocumentado esta contra la Ley, PERO no somos nadie para condenar a nadie, Les gustaria a los dominicanos que nos trataran de esa forma en paises? extranjeros?? Actuarian asi los dominicanos si los invasores fueran de pelo bueno, ojos azules y rubios? quisas NOO, somos Racistas e ignorantes, Esto es delicado
From: United States, Earth
What I am talking is not the technical 'rights' of any Country, its principle that concern me. Namely - don't blame Haitians for wanting to better themselves in another country with more opportunities when 3 out of 9 Dominicans have relatives abroad that have did that very thing. Haitians are viewed as inferior and that is one of the biggest problems. I NEVER said it was the Dominican Governments responsibility, but they should be held accountable for what they HAVE did in contribution to the issue. If individual Haitians commit crimes, then yes by all means someterlos a la justicia, but don't dare group them into one big category as 'troublemakers' when they also contribute to society. Por Dios! They need help right now. And don't let my support of Haitians and my 'username' fool you as I am NOT Haitian. I LOVE the Dominican Republic...no te confundes. But I do not let my love for ANY Nation or the ideals of 'Patria' supercede my love for humankind, compassion, fairness.
Written by: Pepe32, 4 Jan 2011 12:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Coño time copiaste lo mismo que en You Tube...
¿En que parte de la biblia dice que Dios protege al extranjero?
Nadie habla de tratar mal sino que nosotros no podemos con nuestros problemas y aun menos con el pueblo mas atrasado del hemisferio! Cada naci'on tiene el derecho y el DEBER hacia su propio pueblo de hacer valer las leyes porque sino reinaria el caos.Otra cosa si los Haitianos son tus hermanos ve a Haiti y cuidalos pero no tienes derecho de echarnos el peso a nosotros .
Esto si es delicado porque nuestro pueblo ya esta hasta la coronilla de nuestros politicos ineptos que permiten esta situacion ....Otra cosa si nosotros somos racistas e ignorantes como dices mil veces mas racistas e ignorantes son los Haitianos y aquellos malos "Dominicanos" que les importa mas el Haitiano que su propia gente.
Esto no es un asunto de lo que convenga o no al Haitiano sino lo que conviene a la Republica Dominicana y a los DOMINICANOS,nosotros no podemos resolver los problemas Haitian
From: United States, Earth
- time2rize, seems to be one of the very few people I have seen that has a decent, and reasonable perspective on the matter. And that is all I am saying. NO its NOT the fault of the Dominican Republic to support Haitians. But again if the shoe was on the other foot....if YOU were a Haitian trying to survive, que harias? If there was as much effort to show compassion, patience and assistance rather than hate and intolerance, things would be better. Haitians are only trying to survive and live their lives, they don't want trouble, they have had enough of that, they just want peace. And every human being should be able to attain that. What is worth more la bandera y patria o la sangre y bienestar de otro ser humano?? There will be some inconveniences and problems, but so much more can be accomplished when we forget the trivialities of nationalism, race and class. We make each other bleed because we still feed off the lies of our forefathers who have made us bastards and enemies.
Written by: Pepe32, 4 Jan 2011 12:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Perspectives have nothing to do with "feelings" this is an issue with REALITIES on the ground and a grave DEMOGRAPHIC threat to DR and that is the prime consideration in any REALISTIC arguments.
If you want God in the discussion please work to eliminate Vudu and its official designation in Haiti.If you want to speak of humanity and mistreatment work on the Restavik system and the abuses Haitians suffer in Haiti ...in other words clean up your house before you tell us what we are doing wrong!
We cannot and will not carry the burden of Haiti's failures and though our government is playing a two faced game time is running out because our people are tiring of the lawlesness and the disorder which benefits only a few powerful people.
There is no way we can accept more than 1.3 million ILLEGAL Haitians in our territory and either a peaceful HUMANE solution is found or the situation will reach a point of no return .We cannot be the dumping ground for Haitians simple as that!
Written by: Pepe32, 4 Jan 2011 12:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Trini ,so the government should correct the problem and stop the "cajoling" and deport all ILLEGALS and that would stop your complaints?
Bernard speaks of "trivialities of nationailsim" then perhaps he would accept Haiti becoming part of France because it is obvious Haitians cannot manage a country??
It is only trivial when it is DOMINICAN nationalism .
Finally ,if we are brothers it is as your Cain to our Abel and even though we are unfortunately tied by geography all we have gotten from Haiti is pain ,suffering and backwardness and NOBODY is required to screw themselves to help another especially one who is not doing for themselves!
From: United States, Earth
@Pepe32 - obviamente la Biblia no habla de manera tan especificamente, pero los PRINCIPIOS si estan alli - Exodo 22:21 - ”Y no debes maltratar al residente forastero ni oprimirlo, pues ustedes llegaron a ser residentes forasteros en la tierra de Egipto." Ademas, Hechos 10:34 dice que Dios NO ES parcial, asi que a Dios la patria y la bandera son cosas triviales, que no valian. Si una nacion quiere aplicar las leyes para beneficiar el pueblo ta bien, adelante. Pero nadie debe soportar la hipocresia, cuando hay lideres politicos que 1) son coruptos 2) aprovechan de las personas humildes y deseperadas para cogerle su dinerito, 3) son negligentes al aplicar las leyes y 4) lanzan mentiras figiendo que son 'apoyando' el pueblo dominicano, cuando en realidad son CULPABLES por un gran numero de los problemas. Pero en vez de ser responsables, prefieren jugar el loco como si fueron innocentes, dejando el pueblo con sus quillas - y como resultado hay aun MAS violencia y problemas sociales.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
As a Haitian I said if they are illegal deport them. We human beings have a tendency to believe the grass is always greener on the other side when its not. The reality is most of this illegal migration is from the Haitian country side where these people have a plot a land in their family which they have been cultivating for generation and a hut to call their own, but will leave that behind to go to the big city in a foreign country illegally where their are not welcome to simply chase a dream.Sadly that dream always turn into a nightmare. And yes the DR needs comprehensive immigration reform not knee jerking reaction. Guess worker program perhaps, other countries have done it very well. The cat is already out of the bag no Dominican is going to do field work for the standard wage when all they have to do is wait for a transfer from western union every month from abroad.
From: United States, Earth
Let me repeat it again pa' que sepas, I am NOT Haitian. Not every French sounding last 'name' on this forum indicates 'Haitian'. For every 1 Haitian I know, I probably know 100 Dominicans. So please fore-go any desire to associate me with being Haitian. If Haiti becomes part of France, that is fine by me, as I am not a Politician, I am not French, nor am I Haitian (for emphasis). My concern is that they receive fair, reasonable, and sympathetic treatment as human beings. I do not expect every Dominican barrio and household to open its doors and foster every Haitian, that is not practical nor realistic. But attacking them, rounding them up like stray dogs and labeling them as 'disease ridden troublemakers' is wrong. Period. I am not saying I have the answers but hate and violence will not work. Haitians committing crimes SHOULD BE PUNISHED, no argument there. All I am saying is be fair. If you were the Haitian, you would want respect, patience and understanding.
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Exodo 22:21 - ”Y no debes maltratar al residente forastero ni oprimirlo, pues ustedes llegaron a ser residentes forasteros en la tierra de Egipto."
How nice!
What's the verse about the Pharaoh kicking the jew's arse out of Egypt?
From: United States, Earth
@ Trinihaitian - indeed. Nothing more intellectually childish than a person who degenerates a potentially decent discussion with petty stabs of the 'voodoo' and 'uncivilized' shank. It just shows you how far los raices de la mentira han echado. People see my name and get disturbed at my seemingly 'Pro-Haitian' speech and assume that I must be Anti-Dominican. Increible. They look RIGHT PAST the underlying principles that I support for ALL HUMANS and focus a sniper like sight on my motive because it appears to be in support of the Haitians. If the situation was the inverse my message would not change, and I could just as easily change my username to 'JDuarte' to 'play' the part. Again the issue is not particularly religious, but don't dare tell me about love for 'la patria' as justification for mistreatment of another human being and 'our rights', because the first word on the Flag is DIOS, who is not concerned with Flags. So principally to say 'screw you, feed me' is hypocrisy.
Written by: matador, 4 Jan 2011 2:01 PM
From: United States, www.brugal-ron.com/home.php
About time
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jan 2011 2:03 PM
From: United States, NYC
"The DR should not be held responsible for the failed state of Haiti but she should be held accountable for encouraging and cajoling 'the poor' to slave under the false promise of security and a helping hand."
The DR HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY OUTSIDE OF THE LAW. The people who commit the illegal acts of crossing the borders without legal documented promission have NO CLAIMS against their removal as foreign aliens. That's the law. And every nation-state worth its salt has the legal right to enforce its laws of immigration/migration. If some Dominicans have committed illegal acts by employing illegals or granting them passage into the country, these individual Dominicans have done so illegally and the law should have consequences for them also. But their individual illegal acts do NOT confer any waiver of the sovereign right of the state to uphold the law. I have said on countless times that DR and Haiti should negotiate a workers program.
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jan 2011 2:06 PM
From: United States, NYC
But this program needs to be tight and Contractual in nature. All foreigners would need their correct legal documentation. If Haitians would like to participate, the DR should insist on Haiti providing LEGAL DOCUMENTATION to ALL her children living in the DR. That's the stipulation that DR MUST bring to bear on negotiations with Haiti. You want us to help you out? Then you Haiti need to help out your people living without legal documentation. We the DR can help, but you need to help us and your people too. They have no legal papers because you the State of Haiti have not provided them with legal papers. Now is the time to correct that tragic historical crime. The stateless population needs to be addressed forthwith. And it can be, if Leonel and Co., negotiate this troublesome concern that causes DR so much negative International image.
Dominican's in need of labor should have within the law, the right to employ a certain % of foreign laborers.
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jan 2011 2:18 PM
From: United States, NYC
Again, strictly under a Workers' Permit with time and pay plus whatever other stipulations required put into the contract. Everything plain and simple so as to prevent malicious treatment and misunderstandings from happening. A joint panel of legal minds to arbitrate matters would also help to facilitate trans-border labor concerns.
Again, if the job states a one or 2 year offer of employment. Then it's 1 or 2 years, not a lifetime. And foreigners need return to their native land once the contract is over. This of course would mean a sea-change in DR-Haitian Relations. And the respect for the legal system ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER would be a far cry from the historical norm.
Let us hope that both Nations decide to enforce their laws. Both to prevent their people from illegally crossing the borders, and from allowing illegals to "settle" within their non-native domain. It is said that high fences make for good neighbors. I say and respect for the law, too.
Written by: Pepe32, 4 Jan 2011 2:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic
So let me see,according to Bernard we can lovingly deport all illegal Haitians just as long as we do it with love and compassion....
Bernard ,if you have so much compassion act because words without deeds are dead ,you want to help Haitians and that is fine but not at our expense .We were the first nation to act in the aftermath of the earthquake yet everyone expects us to do even more when we have grave problems of our own and I am sorry to say Haitians only make our problems worse .
The solution to Haiti's problem have to be in Haiti and you can take all that "humanity" to Haiti instead of spending time preaching to us .
You all remind me of the Dominican saying "llora cuando se lo meten y grita cuando se lo sacan!" in other words if the Haitians enter into my country you blame us and if we tighten the border and deport Haitians you blame us ....we get blamed no matter what!!
As far as you not being Haitian we can neither confirm nor deny that but we have had Haitians
Written by: Pepe32, 4 Jan 2011 2:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic
come in posing as every nationality on the face of the earth .
Written by: Pepe32, 4 Jan 2011 2:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Atabey,Bernard doesn't believe in borders so all your points are moot in his book. I am sure though that if he were to find poor people in his house without permission he would call the police but such is the rationale of those who want others to be charitable instead of doing themselves .
If we were to use guest workers over 90% of the Haitians would be deported because there is no way we need so many and those who entered would have to return so those who want our country haitianised will yell and scream but we have to do what is best for us since charity begins at home!
Written by: Pepe32, 4 Jan 2011 2:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Trini,some Dominicans practice Haitian brujeria but it is not an INSTRINSIC part of society as it is in Haiti to the point of being OFFICIALLY recognised as a religion while in DR it is viewed for what it is .. a Satanic practice and something to be done in dark corners hidden from society.
Of course the more Haitian influence that seeps in ,the more these practices are seen.
Written by: Pepe32, 4 Jan 2011 2:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic
" asked one of my Dominican workers "
I think Haiti does not need any outside help ,because every single Haitian claims to be in either a high paying job or to be the owner of a large company so I think all those "rich and powerful" Haitians should send money to Haiti and the rest of the world can cease to assist them .....
Problem is fictitious companies don't even make Monopoly money!
So either Haitian expatriots are the most heartless people in the world with so much money while their nation collapses or they are the biggest bullshitters in the world so much that they believe their own BS.
By the way Trini most of your compatriots I have seen work in cleaning jobs or factory jobs but maybe I just haven't seen those selfish millionares like you.
Written by: ny4life, 4 Jan 2011 2:36 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
Atabey and Pepe32,
Great contributions. I totally agree with your statements.
Great exchange on the topic. Very civil and mature with all participants.
Written by: Pepe32, 4 Jan 2011 2:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Thanks NY4life ,Atabey maintains his composure much better than I do but the facts are clearly on our side and we actually want a harmonious solution to this dilemma while not selling out our country at the same time. The government needs to realise that the situation will eventually get out of hand and that like in all lawless situations people will take matters into their own hands with catastrophic consequences for all!
Written by: ny4life, 4 Jan 2011 2:43 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
Illegals are to be deported in a humane way like they are done in the DR. Have a strict labor agreement like Atabey described were Haiti should provide the legal papers for its stateless people. Not every Haitian will fall under this category and many will be deported for crossing ILLEGALLY to the DR.
The real solution is to invest in Haiti and provide visas for Haitians to leave for developed countries such as the USA, France, Canada, etc.
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jan 2011 3:39 PM
From: United States, NYC
Thanks Ny4life and Pepe. Happy New Year.
Yes, and for all those who have an opposing view: please understand that what we want is again for a good outcome for all involved. We are not against Haitians per se. We are against this unorganized and incredibly inept management of our nation's immigration policy. We seek not to blame Haitians, but to state things as they are: both sides have done wrong to their people. The Haitian State has allowed things in their nation-state to deteriorate beyond the parameters of a civilized state and nation. Much work needs to be done and I hope this new year finally brings about the great resuscitation of the State and Nation of Haiti. DR will grow stronger, IF Haiti does so too. So this is not a negative sum game. There can be a positive sum game or a Win-Win situation. Each side should help the other.
*Haiti to police its borders/allow international troops to do it.
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jan 2011 3:43 PM
From: United States, NYC
*Haiti to address its "Stateless" population outside of Haiti by giving legal Haitian Status of citizenship to her lost children.
* DR to work with Haiti to develop and ENFORCE a legal set of parameters for the LEGAL Work Permits that will allow Haitians and Dominicans, who seek work in Haiti, legal protection for doing so in each others nation. Set up an arbitration panel to expedite the labor process.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
@PePe LE PUIS-
Most of your compatriot I have seen work in factory jobs and cleaning Jobs
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Most of the Dominicans I have met are either NYC cab drivers,fellas standing up in every corners in Washington Height with a Casio digital watch which main feature is a build in Calculator and the fella in every hood selling shit out of his bordega thinking he is Sam Walton. Never mind the chicas in Jackson Heights, but I'm sure that does not represent the whole of the Dominican diaspora.
http://www.USAtoday.com/money/com..../2005-08-17-haiti-prez-usat_x.htmWritten by: Yucahu, 4 Jan 2011 4:30 PM
From: United States, Miami
Look Bernard Jean Pierre, you ain't haitian and you ain't Dominican so shut your pie-hole and let us resolve our problems. If I got some person in MY HOUSE who I want out and you come by telling me to leave him alone, I'm a bust your and his behind. Him for being in my house w/o permission and you for being a PENDEJO. So stop focusing on DR and Haiti when you ain't got no bizness involved with it, France needs all the help it can get with all those Algerians and Moroccans in the banlieu's sucker.
Written by: Yucahu, 4 Jan 2011 4:32 PM
From: United States, Miami
So once again, DEPORT, DEPORT, DEPORT!!!
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
mis dos centavos.
Que deporten a todo ilegal haitiano que este en Republica Dominicana y cierren la frontera, que el haitiano no se le puede ayudar a caminar porque se hace el cojo.
La migracion masiva de haitianos no empezo despues del terremoto, tiene mas de 6 decadas.
Al haitiano no se le puede dar alvergue , porque se acostumbra y despues no se quiere ir para su casa.
Desde hace cuanto tiempo haiti no tiene un gobierno que funcione???? nunca a tenido uno porque cada pueblo tiene el gobierno que se merece.
Si , los haitianos son gente buena y tranquila , y aportan mucho a mi pais, pero como en toda relacion, cada cual deve de hacer su cama y mantener su casa.
Lamentablemente la casa haitiana tiene mas de 100 años que esta tirada al olvido
En la biblia lo dice muy claro
AYUDATE QUE YO TE AYUDARE y al que madruga dios le ayuda
Y
no tomes agua en el jarro con la cruz de cutex , que ese es el jarro de la vieja poner los dientes
Written by: kennyB, 4 Jan 2011 5:17 PM
From: United States
We cannot afford to wait until a catastrophic event occurs before we take steps to deport all illegal Haitians. Those of us who understand the history of the island have come to an understanding that blood shed is inevitable between Dominicans and Haitians.
Written by: ASDR59, 4 Jan 2011 6:48 PM
From: United States
I think we can all agree that the situation in Haiti deserves all of our compassion. The only crime the poor have committed is that of being poor. However, the situation in Haiti is desperate and in much need of improvement. As far as I know, resources that are sent to Haiti as a result of natural disasters, are sitting in warehouses and being sold on the black market. That is what happens in Haiti. Haiti has depleted its natural resources i.e. deforestation in order to survive. No set plan is in place for reforestation or anything else. Haitians have not addressed its extremely serious issues except to abandon its country and go to DR. DR is not the solution for Haiti. However, I believe that while the cholera epidemic is real, Dominicans have found an out to the Haitian invasion, i.e. repatriation. Lastly, remember that Haiti invaded DR to help free them from oppression and became the oppressors. Dominicans rose up and fought for their freedom against the Haitians. Haitians citize
Written by: ASDR59, 4 Jan 2011 6:50 PM
From: United States
Haitian citizens around the world, go help rebuild your country. Viva Haiti. Viva La Republica Dominicana.
Written by: THINK, 4 Jan 2011 6:55 PM
From: United States, SDQ -- Mia --NY
There are a lot of comments about this article.
The first and the utmost important thing is:
"MAKE SURE THE GUARDS ON THE BOARD DO NOT TAKE BRIBERY"
From: United States, Earth
@ yacahu - Thanks for the advice, but it is not needed. Again another person has assumed something about my identity. You ASSUME that I am not Dominican perhaps because of what I have said, but you don't know WHAT I am. Furthermore, I am not obligated to divulge to you my interest in the DR are. And finally, this website is an English based website-resource, so as long as I have command over the English language and can comply with the guidelines set forth by DT, entonces hare lo que me da la gana oiste?? Perhaps another time we can flex muscles, but not now. Thanks. Back to the matter at hand -
I welcome any decent guest worker program that would definitely be a step forward. If those at the top of the 'food chain' benefit from the cheap labor of Haitians, then at least allow them to be a part of the system. Then you have documentation, taxes, revenue, stability etc. A working economic model in theory. But don't have them pelando pa' que otro chupe. Thats injustice.
Written by: ASDR59, 4 Jan 2011 8:51 PM
From: United States
Tighten your seat belts. Its going to be a bumpy ride!
From: United States, Earth
An example of what I am talking about -
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....people-traffickers-seize-big-gunsIf the law is the law, and illegal is illegal, fine, but apply it across the 'no-tolerance' attitude across the board. Haitians are not just prancing all the way from Jacmel to Nagua...obviously. As I have said TIME AND TIME AGAIN the Dominican Government is ALSO accountable for this 'problem' of 'too many Haitians' which just so happens to coincide with the Cholera epidemic (causualidad? sure...why not?). But what is CESFRONT (well at least some of them) doing? They are in essence kicking out (repatriating - the politically correct term) 70 Haitians one day, and then they next get a few pesos to let 700 enter illegally! So for every rock and insult hurled at a Haitian for being here illegally, one should also be hurled at the negligent Government y aquellos que gritan 'PATRIA!' en voz alta, pero 'pagame' en secreto. Sin verguenza...
From: Canada, Ottawa, Ontario
I have a question 'cause appearently they moved the embassy thing for people to get visa's to Canada if someone went over there to do that would that matter or fall into illegal immagrant thingy?
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Guard the border so that they wont return....
Get'em all!
seal the trucks so that they won't mount off
We have enough of your own poor to concern ourselves with. Sometimes you just need to say goodbye—and good riddance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5WJAFseB1Q&feature=player_embedded
The Dominican Republic has been great to Haiti by taking over 2 million poverty and disease stricken illegals, while providing the women and children with free health-care and public schooling with free breakfast.
The Dominican Republic and its people were great friends to the Haitian people during the earthquake by providing everything it could possibly give. And for anyone to start writing negative commentary about the Dominican Republic and its people will only prove that they are delusional and ungrateful.
"Dios y Trujillo" remember that??? I most certainly do. People often mix in religion when it 'appears' to be some mystical advantage for them, but when they KNOW they are morally wrong they are quick to retort "Church and State" first. My comments are not really that saturated with religion than they are with logic and reasonableness. Need I point out to you that the Dominican Flag is decorated with the words "DIOS, PATRIA, LIBERTAD". It also has a BIBLE and a CROSS, so it would not really be a stretch for me to say that under that umbrella of ideology, what the Dominican Government does is (or should be) representative of THOSE sentiments, since the flag IS a visible symbol of the Dominican Republic. So actually my opinion is VERY relevant to the issue. Perhaps even MORE relevant than those who "leave God out" of the equation. Now when the Dominican flag no longer says DIOS give me a call, y con mucho gusto I will keep things pertaining to Ceasar only.
Get real. DR has been one of the two greatest outlets for Haitians seeking a way out of that tragic inferno on earth. And as I've stated before, we in DR can not answer the Haitian Question. Only Haitians can do so. What is Haiti? Certainty it was not the DR that messed up the place and discombobulated the State and Nation called Haiti. Ask the French who set up the "hell on Earth" in the first place. And ask for your money back. It's said to number something north of 20 billion in today's dollars!
What this country needs is a clear, consistent, efficient policy, and able men to implement and enforce it.
Sometimes I wonder what would've been of D.R. if Trujillo wouldn't have been part of our history, eventhough he did a lot of WRONG things, just think about it my Dominicans conpatriots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU4bfjEUu8c&feature=related
What is hilarious is when Haitians steal Dominican cattle ,cross the border and then the Dominican cattlemen cross the border to retrieve their property and Haiti arrests them for violating their sovereignty!!
All the homeless should move into the homes of those who support the elimination of borders since those poor people have nowhere to live and are only trying to survive...Let them move into Bernard and "Jarabacoa's" house !
Bernard,our country is OURS and we paid a high price in blood and tears mainly fighting to be and stay free from your people so please take your ridiculous discourse somwhere else!
Si no actuamos pronto nos quedaremos sin Patria y la isla entera se convertirá en un vertedero como la parte occidental .Nosotros no podemos con mas carga de la que ya tenemos ni con un pueblo que solo nos ha traido mas atraso ,ignorancia y miseria .Es hora de poner los intereses de nuestra Patria primero porque el tiempo se hace escaso .
El Cibao como siempre dará la cara !!
If you guys have some cheap immigration process or some cheap fees that anyone can afford to pay in other to become a legal resident...damn it guys...you are just wasting your time...they will come back right at face with that small money...and corrupted immigrations officers will just let it flow...
Repatriation YES...but It can only last with a reinforcement of the immigration laws.
¿En que parte de la biblia dice que Dios protege al extranjero?
Nadie habla de tratar mal sino que nosotros no podemos con nuestros problemas y aun menos con el pueblo mas atrasado del hemisferio! Cada naci'on tiene el derecho y el DEBER hacia su propio pueblo de hacer valer las leyes porque sino reinaria el caos.Otra cosa si los Haitianos son tus hermanos ve a Haiti y cuidalos pero no tienes derecho de echarnos el peso a nosotros .
Esto si es delicado porque nuestro pueblo ya esta hasta la coronilla de nuestros politicos ineptos que permiten esta situacion ....Otra cosa si nosotros somos racistas e ignorantes como dices mil veces mas racistas e ignorantes son los Haitianos y aquellos malos "Dominicanos" que les importa mas el Haitiano que su propia gente.
Esto no es un asunto de lo que convenga o no al Haitiano sino lo que conviene a la Republica Dominicana y a los DOMINICANOS,nosotros no podemos resolver los problemas Haitian
If you want God in the discussion please work to eliminate Vudu and its official designation in Haiti.If you want to speak of humanity and mistreatment work on the Restavik system and the abuses Haitians suffer in Haiti ...in other words clean up your house before you tell us what we are doing wrong!
We cannot and will not carry the burden of Haiti's failures and though our government is playing a two faced game time is running out because our people are tiring of the lawlesness and the disorder which benefits only a few powerful people.
There is no way we can accept more than 1.3 million ILLEGAL Haitians in our territory and either a peaceful HUMANE solution is found or the situation will reach a point of no return .We cannot be the dumping ground for Haitians simple as that!
Bernard speaks of "trivialities of nationailsim" then perhaps he would accept Haiti becoming part of France because it is obvious Haitians cannot manage a country??
It is only trivial when it is DOMINICAN nationalism .
Finally ,if we are brothers it is as your Cain to our Abel and even though we are unfortunately tied by geography all we have gotten from Haiti is pain ,suffering and backwardness and NOBODY is required to screw themselves to help another especially one who is not doing for themselves!
How nice!
What's the verse about the Pharaoh kicking the jew's arse out of Egypt?
The DR HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY OUTSIDE OF THE LAW. The people who commit the illegal acts of crossing the borders without legal documented promission have NO CLAIMS against their removal as foreign aliens. That's the law. And every nation-state worth its salt has the legal right to enforce its laws of immigration/migration. If some Dominicans have committed illegal acts by employing illegals or granting them passage into the country, these individual Dominicans have done so illegally and the law should have consequences for them also. But their individual illegal acts do NOT confer any waiver of the sovereign right of the state to uphold the law. I have said on countless times that DR and Haiti should negotiate a workers program.
Dominican's in need of labor should have within the law, the right to employ a certain % of foreign laborers.
Again, if the job states a one or 2 year offer of employment. Then it's 1 or 2 years, not a lifetime. And foreigners need return to their native land once the contract is over. This of course would mean a sea-change in DR-Haitian Relations. And the respect for the legal system ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER would be a far cry from the historical norm.
Let us hope that both Nations decide to enforce their laws. Both to prevent their people from illegally crossing the borders, and from allowing illegals to "settle" within their non-native domain. It is said that high fences make for good neighbors. I say and respect for the law, too.
Bernard ,if you have so much compassion act because words without deeds are dead ,you want to help Haitians and that is fine but not at our expense .We were the first nation to act in the aftermath of the earthquake yet everyone expects us to do even more when we have grave problems of our own and I am sorry to say Haitians only make our problems worse .
The solution to Haiti's problem have to be in Haiti and you can take all that "humanity" to Haiti instead of spending time preaching to us .
You all remind me of the Dominican saying "llora cuando se lo meten y grita cuando se lo sacan!" in other words if the Haitians enter into my country you blame us and if we tighten the border and deport Haitians you blame us ....we get blamed no matter what!!
As far as you not being Haitian we can neither confirm nor deny that but we have had Haitians
If we were to use guest workers over 90% of the Haitians would be deported because there is no way we need so many and those who entered would have to return so those who want our country haitianised will yell and scream but we have to do what is best for us since charity begins at home!
Of course the more Haitian influence that seeps in ,the more these practices are seen.
I think Haiti does not need any outside help ,because every single Haitian claims to be in either a high paying job or to be the owner of a large company so I think all those "rich and powerful" Haitians should send money to Haiti and the rest of the world can cease to assist them .....
Problem is fictitious companies don't even make Monopoly money!
So either Haitian expatriots are the most heartless people in the world with so much money while their nation collapses or they are the biggest bullshitters in the world so much that they believe their own BS.
By the way Trini most of your compatriots I have seen work in cleaning jobs or factory jobs but maybe I just haven't seen those selfish millionares like you.
Great contributions. I totally agree with your statements.
Great exchange on the topic. Very civil and mature with all participants.
The real solution is to invest in Haiti and provide visas for Haitians to leave for developed countries such as the USA, France, Canada, etc.
Yes, and for all those who have an opposing view: please understand that what we want is again for a good outcome for all involved. We are not against Haitians per se. We are against this unorganized and incredibly inept management of our nation's immigration policy. We seek not to blame Haitians, but to state things as they are: both sides have done wrong to their people. The Haitian State has allowed things in their nation-state to deteriorate beyond the parameters of a civilized state and nation. Much work needs to be done and I hope this new year finally brings about the great resuscitation of the State and Nation of Haiti. DR will grow stronger, IF Haiti does so too. So this is not a negative sum game. There can be a positive sum game or a Win-Win situation. Each side should help the other.
*Haiti to police its borders/allow international troops to do it.
* DR to work with Haiti to develop and ENFORCE a legal set of parameters for the LEGAL Work Permits that will allow Haitians and Dominicans, who seek work in Haiti, legal protection for doing so in each others nation. Set up an arbitration panel to expedite the labor process.
Most of your compatriot I have seen work in factory jobs and cleaning Jobs
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Most of the Dominicans I have met are either NYC cab drivers,fellas standing up in every corners in Washington Height with a Casio digital watch which main feature is a build in Calculator and the fella in every hood selling shit out of his bordega thinking he is Sam Walton. Never mind the chicas in Jackson Heights, but I'm sure that does not represent the whole of the Dominican diaspora.
http://www.USAtoday.com/money/com..../2005-08-17-haiti-prez-usat_x.htm
mis dos centavos.
Que deporten a todo ilegal haitiano que este en Republica Dominicana y cierren la frontera, que el haitiano no se le puede ayudar a caminar porque se hace el cojo.
La migracion masiva de haitianos no empezo despues del terremoto, tiene mas de 6 decadas.
Al haitiano no se le puede dar alvergue , porque se acostumbra y despues no se quiere ir para su casa.
Desde hace cuanto tiempo haiti no tiene un gobierno que funcione???? nunca a tenido uno porque cada pueblo tiene el gobierno que se merece.
Si , los haitianos son gente buena y tranquila , y aportan mucho a mi pais, pero como en toda relacion, cada cual deve de hacer su cama y mantener su casa.
Lamentablemente la casa haitiana tiene mas de 100 años que esta tirada al olvido
En la biblia lo dice muy claro
AYUDATE QUE YO TE AYUDARE y al que madruga dios le ayuda
Y
no tomes agua en el jarro con la cruz de cutex , que ese es el jarro de la vieja poner los dientes
We cannot afford to wait until a catastrophic event occurs before we take steps to deport all illegal Haitians. Those of us who understand the history of the island have come to an understanding that blood shed is inevitable between Dominicans and Haitians.
There are a lot of comments about this article.
The first and the utmost important thing is:
"MAKE SURE THE GUARDS ON THE BOARD DO NOT TAKE BRIBERY"
I welcome any decent guest worker program that would definitely be a step forward. If those at the top of the 'food chain' benefit from the cheap labor of Haitians, then at least allow them to be a part of the system. Then you have documentation, taxes, revenue, stability etc. A working economic model in theory. But don't have them pelando pa' que otro chupe. Thats injustice.
If the law is the law, and illegal is illegal, fine, but apply it across the 'no-tolerance' attitude across the board. Haitians are not just prancing all the way from Jacmel to Nagua...obviously. As I have said TIME AND TIME AGAIN the Dominican Government is ALSO accountable for this 'problem' of 'too many Haitians' which just so happens to coincide with the Cholera epidemic (causualidad? sure...why not?). But what is CESFRONT (well at least some of them) doing? They are in essence kicking out (repatriating - the politically correct term) 70 Haitians one day, and then they next get a few pesos to let 700 enter illegally! So for every rock and insult hurled at a Haitian for being here illegally, one should also be hurled at the negligent Government y aquellos que gritan 'PATRIA!' en voz alta, pero 'pagame' en secreto. Sin verguenza...