Dajabón.- At least 3,000 undocumented
Haitians have been repatriated in the last 24 hours from the Dominican Republic
after being arrested in communities and towns in the north west of the country,
according to military sources in the province of Dajabón.
Army chief General Carlos Rivera
Portes told reporters that the deportees had been detained in the
municipalities of Restauración, Mao, Guayubín, Santiago Rodríguez, Montecristi,
Loma de Cabrera and Dajabón, all near the Haitian border.
The military chief said that their
human rights would be respected during the process of repatriation.
He took the opportunity to stress that
the Armed Forces would take drastic measures against their personnel found to
be taking bribes in return for allowing illegal migrants across the border.
As an example he mentioned the case of a soldier, Michael
Germosén, who was serving in the Border Defense Corps (Cesfront) and was
removed from the ranks after being found to be taking bribes while posted in Dajabón.
The Jesuit Refugee Service has accused
the authorities of racial profiling in the detention process.
The Migration authorities have
confiscated some 25 Dominican public transport buses said to be involved in
transporting illegal migrants, and imposed fines on the drivers.
From: United States
I hope things go peacefully.
Written by: telemeco, 7 Jan 2011 8:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
Written by: Atabey, 7 Jan 2011 9:31 AM
From: United States, NYC
The most unfortunate issue is that seldom has the State of Haiti been efficient in granting their people Citizenship documents. They have for many decades tried to stem their growing population problems via human export of her poorest citizenry. And therein lies the heart of the problem. If the Haitian government actually was efficient in documenting their own, this would negate their ability to "pass off" their poorest as citizens of other nations, especially the neighboring DR. Thus we have a State in Haiti that really does not want to properly document her own people for fear of having to own up to their ever greater population of destitution, and another State, the DR, that wants to force the reluctant neighbor to comply. How to achieve this? Difficult situation made more convoluted by separate "private-initiatives" on both sides to facilitate illegal cross-border penetration for commercial gain: low wage labor, prostitution, drugs, etc.
The only sensible approach
Written by: Atabey, 7 Jan 2011 9:34 AM
From: United States, NYC
would be to arrive at a mutual understanding that is MUTUALLY ENFORCED BY BOTH HAITI AND DR. Both Haiti and DR must protect their own sides of the border for the border region to have meaning. If only DR tries to enforce the border, the relationship will continue to arrive at massive deportation points of contention. But how to make Haiti see the light and have her enforce the laws? That's the truly difficult part of the equation. The foreign NGOs and their protectors have not helped matters by insisting that this debate is really about the DR; the MAIN ISSUE resides in Haiti! And until that part of the equation is solved no amount of trashing the DR will resolve what is essentially an Haitian grown problem. If the foreign presence and their NGOs were truly blessed with helping Haitians out of their dilemma, they would facilitate Work Visas to first World nations. That simple but extremely effective cure all for poor people has both historical gravitas and humane outcomes.
From: United States
"Dominican authorities repatriate 3,000 Haitians"
Barely touched the tip of the iceberg.
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Key word: consistency.
Keep doing it lke it's' for real, not a big splash and then nothing.
Written by: BLANCO, 7 Jan 2011 10:23 AM
From: Dominican Republic
The Jesuit Refugee Service has accused the authorities of racial profiling in the detention process.
now there is an easy accusation!!!!!
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... (Look, beyond the words)
Maybe they would see more if this was conducted durring day-light hours
From: United States
Haiti and the Dominican Republic MUST work together on this issue. All the self-subjected 'hate' and 'enemy' nonsense has got to go away now. Consistency is also important. CESFRONT has to put an end to the 'pay to go' mentality that has been happening. And I hope there is no mistreatment to Haitians nor violent attacks on Dominicans during this very delicate and lamentable situation.
Written by: Yucahu, 7 Jan 2011 11:12 AM
From: United States, Miami
Nobody hates or considers them the enemy. Their are just too many of them to handle brother, It's like a 3000 people in a nightclub for 2000. The fire marshal is gonna shut it down. Then who is the bad guy? The promoter who brought in all these people and put their lives at risk as a result of the overcapacity or the firemarshal who stemmed a potentialy nasty situation?
From: United States
Something needs to be done you cannot have this many illegal workers in our country with our unemployment rates as high as they are. I understand most Dominicans will not take the jobs some Haitians do for the same pay but maybe its time for the pay rate to increase a bit so more Dominicans do have jobs.
Written by: Pepe32, 7 Jan 2011 11:20 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Bernard ,I think everyone here agrees that they should not be mistreated ,on the other hand this issue is one of sovereignty and rule of law and whether hatred exists or not is irrelevant as long as the hatred is not acted upon because nobody can see inside the Haitians to determine if they hate us nor does it matter.
This issue is one that can only be solved in one manner and that is with the "repatriation" of the majority of illegal Haitians and some sort of guest worker program for those that the DR government in conjunction with the businesses determines are needed in our workforce.
The problem is that many of those who speak of human rights only mention them as a weapon against my country while remaining silent to the atrocities commited in Haiti and if this situation is not handled with frimness and conviction violent outbreaks are INEVITABLE and will blow up in the governments face.
It is notable that the deportations are happening in the region that was threatening to expel
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Que esperanza la de esta gente, sufrir en este mundo!
I think Haitians should do the same they do in D.R do it in Haiti, work.
If somebody offer them the means to do it, their future could be brighter, and they won't have to hide from being deported in their own land.
I know most of them are hard-working people, all they need is a leader to put Haiti to work.
From: United States
@VeronicaDR - Thats where things get complicated. Haitians provide a virtually endless supply of cheap labor, that in turn strengthens the economy. The economy is still growing and still VERY dependent on Tourism and a few staple exports. Take Sugar (Cane) for example, Haitians are the driving force behind the Sugar industry. They work vigorously for anywhere between .50 to $1.00 a day (roughly). How many Dominicans would be willing to work for that much on a daily basis?? There is PLENTY of room for pay increase because those at the top of the food chain are at the PEAK of profit margin as they 'virtually' sustain 'free' labor. But if your average Dominican at the 'bottom' level of the economy would not readily accept a lesser pay for a difficult job, then your average Dominican at the 'top' level of the economy would not do it either. So, to a certain extent the Dominican Republic 'needs' Haitians to fill that void of cheap labor.
Written by: Pepe32, 7 Jan 2011 11:33 AM
From: Dominican Republic
the Haitians by force.
Those who hope for unification or who push for an acceptance of a massive Haitian presence will have to realise that our forefathers fought too hard to gain our independence just to hand it over to others and that the continued presence of a massive group of Haitians in DR is a sure fire recipe for disaster.
We want peace and we want progress for Haiti ,but each on their own side ...neighbors sharing an island with respect!
From: United States
@Pepe32 - I am ALL for equal application of civil liberties, and I am very aware of the many atrocities that are taking place in Haiti. There are numerous reports of rape, theft, corruption and negligence and I denounce them with much vim. Believe it or not I am a defender of the Dominican Republic as well, the difference is that i don't put ANYTHING before human rights, no flag, no country. And I realize that many of the ills committed are actually detrimental TO the Dominican Republic and that is also why I am quick to call those out and speak against them. There are MANY Dominicans who would not lift an evil finger toward anybody, including Haitians, and thats how it should be. But there are others who feed of the frustrations and take them out on Haitians, blaming them for many things they do not deserve. My concern is the prevalent attitude toward them as being inferior, because that often leads to justification for wrong doing. Peace is what I hope for both sides.
From: United States
The Dominican Republic is a Sovereign and it has the (technical) 'right' to deport those who are here illegally regardless of if they are Haitian or Australian. I have NO problem with that. I also don't fault the Dominican Republic for trying to look out for its best interest. That is what any Nation and Country would do under similar circumstances. I only wish to see fairness and consistency. I see time and time again (on this VERY site) how Haitians are reffered to as 'animals', 'dogs', 'savages' 'diseased ridden' etc etc etc, and that is what disturbs me, because it is reflective of a really twisted mentality. THAT is dangerous, because when you see someone as 'less' human it is easier to mistreat them. That was EXACTLY the same psychology behind the Nazi's treatment of the Jews, and the same reasoning behind the enslavement of Blacks in the Americas. That attitude and mentality is what I wish to erase and do away with, not the sovereignty of any body nor their rights.
Written by: Pepe32, 7 Jan 2011 11:56 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Bernard ,peace can only come with respect and a massive group of Haitians in DR is a recipe for a bloodbath simple as that so please give us your suggestions on how we could "humanely" deport that vast majority of ILLEGALS in DR..
BTW we can (and should)mechanise the sugar cane harvest and many other tasks could be mechanised and would be mechanised by now if a ridiculously cheap labour source was not present. There are also the hordes of beggars and street vendors who are not really doing anything except lowering the standards of the country.
We want peace with the Haitians in Haiti and progress for Haiti and again unless you can change peoples souls hatred is something you cannot control and will unfortunately always exist in this world .Having said that I believe that hatred can be reduced with respect and positive interaction not by forced and unwanted interaction and
Written by: danny00, 7 Jan 2011 11:59 AM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
Written by: WalterPolo, 7 Jan 2011 10:16 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Key word: consistency.
Keep doing it lke it's' for real, not a big splash and then nothing
YEAH SURE! JUST LIKE THE TRUCKS IN THE RIGHT LANE ONLY SPLASH IN THE PAN.
LOTS OF SPLASHS FROM THE DR GOVERNMENT BUT MOST OR IF NOT ALL LIVE FOR ONLY A SHORT TIME THEN ITS BACK TO THE SAME OLD WAYS.
Written by: Pepe32, 7 Jan 2011 12:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I personally believe that between Haiti and DR a certain period of time apart with RESPECT can do wonders but the massive presence in DR only revives and strengthens the memories of countless Haitian atrocities in our country and certain attitudes of Haitians towards our nation only make us more leery of their intentions.
You like most newcomers to this forum come with the same tired mantra of a purely racial reason for the antagonism yet the history between us has never been good and race is not the main reason for this antagonism for Dominicans don't view Jamaicans,Trinidadians etc in the same way .
So if you want peace advocate for the rich nations to accept Haitians in their countries and for a change in Haitian society for that is where the real problem is .You speak of hate and if there is one country that has had enough hate for the whole world it is Haiti were blood is constantly spilled and people are mistreated and abused constantly!
From: United States, Naples, Florida
Doing this is not the solution to this problem. The government should announce Haitians and Quisqueyans of this type of plans to give both Quisqueyans hiring and undocumented Haitians a chance to arrange for "voluntary" departure. Now, until the government of Quisqueya challenge the government of Haiti to change her Constitution that tells Haitians that the name of the island is Haiti, for them it is so right to transit "their island". We have given the solutions way before the earthquake. Look for it at www.quisqueya.name if any one out there is really interested in helping solve ours and Haitians errors in the past, at present and which will continue until our pledge to the President of the so called "Dominican Republic" acts.
Written by: Atabey, 7 Jan 2011 12:24 PM
From: United States, NYC
Greater Peace and Understanding will arrive with an effective Haitian State. As with all nations, the effectiveness of the State is crucial in the process of organization and stability. The New Haitian State must do right for her people and provide them with the legal framework to live their lives with dignity and national purpose: Citizenship. Thus armed, the people will no longer have to endure the tragedy of being Stateless the world over. The DR State must demand, at least, this measure of Haitian participation or compliance. Of course, it would help immeasurably if the foreign NGOs would get on board with this process, along with the Jesuits. There exist no good reasons for not demanding that Haitians be counted as Haitians, regardless of where they might have trespassed in fleeing the object poverty of Haiti. Again, as many Dominicans agree, a Quest Worker's Program with teeth would allow Haitians and Dominicans to work out the labor/business needs of industries.
Written by: danny00, 7 Jan 2011 12:28 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
Haitian occupationThe twenty-two-year Haitian occupation is recalled by Dominicans as a period of brutal military rule, though the reality is more complex. It led to large-scale land expropriations and failed efforts to force production of export crops, impose military services, restrict the use of the Spanish language, and eliminate traditional customs such as cockfighting. It reinforced Dominicans' perceptions of themselves as different from Haitians in "language, race, religion and domestic customs."[7] Yet, this was also a period that definitively ended slavery as an institution in the eastern part of the island
Written by: Atabey, 7 Jan 2011 1:02 PM
From: United States, NYC
Yet, the 22 year period was but ONE of the tragic encounters between Haiti and DR. Even after the Haitians had been pushed back towards the western side, many attempts at regaining control of the eastern "Lost Lands" ensued. Time and again these attempts were rejected by Dominicans. And while Slavery as an institution was ended formally by the Haitian invasion of 1822, the fact that Haiti chose to pay France that ridiculous sum of money in order for France to accept Haitian Independence proved costly to the Spanish speaking population, as these people were forced into an economic scheme to re-pay France for her colonial losses in Haiti! The abject destruction of native forest and the ecological degradation of the Eastern lands would have been destined for the similar fate that happened in Haiti had Haiti proved capable of retaining the Eastern lands.
Again, respect begins by acknowledging borders and respecting them BY BOTH SIDES.
Written by: danny00, 7 Jan 2011 1:21 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
the year 1937 mr. trujillo was in power.
the event that was called the parsley massacre the event that was met with hugh interational criticism.the event that left 17,000------ 35,000 haitians dead.
Written by: ny4life, 7 Jan 2011 1:54 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
Constitucion,
You are pushing for a unification of the island and granting Haitians access to both sides so they can move freely.
That is not the soultion. Respect the laws of DR and work to remake the Haitian constitution to allow for greater participation of its people.
Written by: Atabey, 7 Jan 2011 1:58 PM
From: United States, NYC
Both sides have blood on their hands. No one will win this "I'm the victim" posture. It's true that DR having administered and organized itself far better than Haiti during these passed 100 plus years has grown the stronger of the two nations, and the World Community has looked on this relationship as the DR abusing Haiti. But again, this is only recent history, for a clear and objective view of the historical records will point to my opening position: both nations have blood on their hands.
A strong institutional commitment by both States, Haiti and DR, to a) document their respective natives and b) respect their common border regions will go a very long way towards reaching an amicable peace between both sides. Again, the operative term is: both States.
Written by: Pepe32, 7 Jan 2011 2:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Atabey,we both have blood on our hands but not in the same manner.
We have NEVER invaded Haiti nor occupied Haiti and our mass murdering tyrant is despised in this country ,yet in Haiti their butchers and mass murderers are glorified and have statues in their honour.
Besides there is the matter of the Haitian constitution speaking of the island as HAITI and being one and INDIVISIBLE ,that is not respect and must be changed in the Haitian constitution if we are to ever trust them!
Written by: xwill7, 7 Jan 2011 3:09 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Santiago was full of undocumented people
Written by: Atabey, 7 Jan 2011 3:49 PM
From: United States, NYC
Pepe, you are right to point out the significant differences between the two. Yes, the Haitian cases involved invasions and attempts to dominate the entire island of Hispaniola. Our one sinister case involved the mass murderer and sycophant Trujillo. But even he understood the border limits, although he wanted to regain Hinche and the lost Western lands for the DR. Never has the DR attempted to bring Haiti into some unified island scheme. Unification has been a Haitian notion throughout the history of the island. I was just trying to condense the matter and show that this victimization game has no traction. Even if the NGOs and some other apologist would have it sway towards their biased position.
Written by: Yucahu, 7 Jan 2011 4:32 PM
From: United States, Miami
We need 3000 deported everyday!! Plus all those mangy Europeans and Canadians who overstayed their visa!!!!
Written by: Yucahu, 7 Jan 2011 4:32 PM
From: United States, Miami
Danny00 show me the mass graves, show me the remains, I want genetic testing up in here!!! If there were indeed 35000 murdered people there would have to be something to show. And you know what there AINT. Its true a massacre occurred but at the most maybe 100-300 people might have been involved. Your aspersions are baseless. The DR will not be a victim to attacks by people like you while I am around buddy.
Written by: danny00, 7 Jan 2011 4:46 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
the dr will not be a victim to attacks by people like you while i am around buddy. dont know if iam your buddy but inresponse to you.
victim of attacks? guess u dont understand what i'am writing about.....
why dont u show me that 35,000 haitians where not killed?
hey! iam dominican not against my country. ok! i live in the states but i do support the dr. what happen in the past does not help solve the problems of today does it? you think that mr. trulillo had no blood on this hands? both haitians and dominican blood he had on this body.
Written by: danny00, 7 Jan 2011 4:49 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
HEY! YUCHHU..
From: United States, Miami
We need 3000 deported everyday!! Plus all those mangy Europeans and Canadians who overstayed their visa!!!!
AND THEN LETS GET UNCLE SAM TO DEPORT EVERY DAY THE DOMINICANS THAT ARE IN THE STATES EVERY DAY YOU WOULD LIKE THIS? DONT KNOW IF YOUR IN MIAMI OR JUST MAYBE IN HIALEAH FL. BUT YOU WOULD BE UNHAPPY IF UNCLE SAM DID THIS WOULD U NOT?
Written by: danny00, 7 Jan 2011 4:51 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
europeans and canadians go to church every sunday and thank god these people come and spend their money on this magical island....deport them?
something is not right with this statement.
what the hell are doing in the united states buddy?
Written by: danny00, 7 Jan 2011 5:02 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
AND NOW THAT THAT IS DONE.
ON TO WHAT THE HAITIANS DID TO THE PEOPLE OF THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC.
Although the invasion effectively eliminated colonial slavery and instated a constitution modeled after the United States constitution throughout the island, several resolutions and written dispositions were expressly aimed at converting Dominicans into second-class citizens: restrictions of movement, prohibition to run for public office, night curfews, inability to travel in groups, banning of civilian organizations, and the indefinite closure of the state university (on the alleged grounds of its being a subversive organization) all led to the creation of movements advocating separation from Haiti.
Written by: danny00, 7 Jan 2011 5:08 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
The promoter who brought in all these people and put their lives at risk as a result of the overcapacity or the firemarshal who stemmed a potentialy nasty situation?
THE PROMOTER BROUGHT IN ALL THESE PEOPLE...
WELL THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT THE PROMOTERS ARE DOMINICANS.
YES ALL THE RICO BUSINESS PEOPLE THAT WANT NOT ONLY TO ENSLAVE THEIR OWN PEOPLE BUT THE HAITIANS AS WELL.
Written by: Atabey, 7 Jan 2011 5:52 PM
From: United States, NYC
The promoters, as you call them, or enablers as is commonly used to describe these people exist ON BOTH SIDES of the border. Haitians are not forced by Dominicans in Haiti to come into the DR; however, there are people, Haitians in Haiti, that will, if the price is right, use illegal means to enslave or sell their own. Now I'm not justifying the illegal acts committed by some Dominicans in this tragic and deadly game, but I only want both sides of this dynamic to be expressed. Too often it's only the DR taking the international hit. It take two to tango. :)
From: Dominican Republic, I dislike all politicians and their afiliated parties... "I simply say it AS IT IS!!"
send them all back..period!!
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
@ Atabey
Side note- Haiti did not choose to pay that ridiculous amount of money to France- Not sure if you are simply choosing selective account of history or not- There was a Naval blockade imposed on Haiti not only by France but also by the US and Great Britain the major power at the time clearly I'm sure you are aware no country can survive without trade. Haiti Had to agreed to those terms in order to get that blockade lifted and be recognized as a free and independent nation(15Billion USD in today's money. In 1914 The US marines invaded Haiti stayed until 1934 for Haiti was getting shaky on payments to the bankers in NY who had finance this debt repayment. The last payment was paid in 1947. For nearly a 100years 80 cent of each dollar earned by the Haitian government went to this debt.
Written by: danny00, 7 Jan 2011 6:30 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
. it take two to tango. :), yes it does two for the dance....as for the words i used the promotors, i think the the title i used is correct.
this is some problem iam not taking sides who's right who's wrong. for me it seems like a no win for both sides at this time. yes their are way to many haitians in the dr, sorry for these people that in most only want to surive.
its a problem that is way over my head and i wish the best to any one or group of people that want to put a fix to this major problem. saying he did this and they did this in no way can resolve this major problem for both countries.
Written by: danny00, 7 Jan 2011 6:38 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
as one said today send them all back.!
dont know if this is the correct answer for this problem.
maybe just protect the borders, let them get a visa as is the case in all countrys in the world. {i do not know of any country and i travel a lot that does one not need a visa to enter the dr has this right}
try and put a stop of the so called promoters as u had said on both sides, ,both countries. not enough work for dominicans at this time in the dr. so let this governement stand up and protect its own they have this right, let the peace-maker president go on national t.v. and let the world know what is going on in the dr and haiti.. he seems to have the time to travel to other countries to help fix their problems does he not?
Written by: Atabey, 7 Jan 2011 6:45 PM
From: United States, NYC
Pat,
Happy New Year to you.
When I stated that Haiti chose to pay the reparation payments to France, I think in 1825, they did so as a sovereign people. Yes, France was prepared to impose a Naval blockade and do all sorts of bad deeds. I regard France as the Great Creator of this horrendously tragic and human consuming project. Many are the beautiful cities in France, especially along the coastline, Bordeaux, that have magnificence because of the Great Slave dividends garnered from the tens of thousands of dead Haitians forced to work the fields and agricultural schemes concocted by their colonial masters from France. But to get to my point, that Haiti chose to pay instead of fighting it out, I think if you go back you'll find that some folks in Haiti wanted to fight and not pay the horrendous reparation payments demanded by the French.
Written by: Atabey, 7 Jan 2011 6:46 PM
From: United States, NYC
They did so because the terms and the amounts, they rightly thought, was the end of ANY real future for the Haitian State and Nation. How could it have not been so? Paying 80 cents out of every dollar in Export! Better to fight and die as free men then to die an agonizing death by a million cuts, each driving home yet again the false notion that blacks couldn't govern themselves and develop a modern nation. Those people who wanted to fight the French and not pay with the soul and breath of the Young Republic were the real deal. The deal makers got quickly into the slow but agonizing death trap that the reparation's game had straight-jacketed the Young Nation-State. A slow eating process began and has consumed 97% of the tree cover and brought great ecological destruction to a once fertile and verdant landscape. The Haitian State has basically eaten its children. Its past, present and future tragically consumed until a weathered corpse hangs drifting in the air. Sad.
Written by: Atabey, 7 Jan 2011 7:02 PM
From: United States, NYC
I hope that Haiti begins its renewal this year. And do so because aside from not wanting to see her people suffer anew another bad year, I understand that Her rise is the greatest external development that the DR could ever hope for. Yes, a great Haitian resuscitation will bring great current and future business for the DR. Aside from, as I said the better health and treatment of her people, the scores of new business opportunities will help mend many of the past misunderstanding between the peoples.
From: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito"
A weirdo states: "But if your average Dominican at the 'bottom' level of the economy would not readily accept a lesser pay for a difficult job"
Listen here Bernard there are two reasons for what you stated. One Haitians have all of the jobs Dominicans will not accept for a lesser wage and in essence only one class of people benifit and that is the Dominican ellite. What happens the Haitians get dumped back to the wasteland the poor Dominicans get poorer and the rich get richer.
From: United States
Send them all back. If theyre illegal send them back. If haitians in DR want to be treated with respect in DR ALL HAITIANS IN DR dont go to work for 1 2 days. That will send a powerful message when everyone take a financial hit.
Written by: ateo2010 
, 8 Jan 2011 12:36 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
ignorance(YES SIR I AM ) bliss said : " Send them all back. If theyre illegal send them back. If haitians in DR want to be treated with respect in DR ALL HAITIANS IN DR dont go to work for 1 2 days. That will send a powerful message when everyone take a financial hit. "
pleasE! give me a darn break. We deport this parasites(you and your parasite family as well), in a matter of a year or two in a slow process, while replacing them for our own workers who deserve better salaries and improved working conditions. end of case.
From: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito"
As is the case when countries get invaded in such fashion the country that invades peacefully which is haiti ends up not acting peaceful any longer and taxes the country that has been invaded heavily. Boyer and his armies changed quite a bit and the Haitians took advantage of the Dominicans by strong arming the masses.
From: United States
Atabey,
you need reading comprehension my friend. Chose to pay reparations. France threatened to start firing cannons into the cities, reinstate slavery, etc. Funny part is noone helped haiti everyone turned their backs. Go back to school stop twisting words to suit your agenda.
Mirabel,
I think wen Boyer tried to strong arm the people it backfired. When he tried to intefere with religion thats where he went wrong. live and let live, however, I was not in his shoes so I cant truthfully say where he went wrong.
Ateo,
This is a show to appease a minority group. If 600,000 are illegal lets see how many are deported by the end of the year.
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jan 2011 9:43 AM
From: United States, NYC
Talk about needing reading comprehension!! Go back into your shoe box and read more than the comic strips you pick up as people walk by Ignorant!
Why don't you read about Haitian history? Perhaps you didn't when growing up in Haiti, but being in the USA should allow you some opportunity to study a bit, no?
The French demands were argued by the Haitian leadership at the time, the pros and cons, and a determination was made to not fight but pay the horrendous reparations that neutered the young Haitian Nation-State for life.
Much as you have been neutered in reading comprehension, the price was historically speaking the deal that should NEVER have been made. And those Haitians arguing against it were correct. So stop being an apologist for that dreadful decision making as its consequences are all too clear for all to see, save a few lost souls living in shoe boxes.
Have a good New Year and learn to read in 2011.
Written by: julay, 8 Jan 2011 10:26 AM
From: Dominican Republic
In the words of Etta James: "Atttt laaaaassstttttt....."
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jan 2011 10:59 AM
From: United States, NYC
ignoranceisbliss, and trinihaitian,
"I am trying to understand why our history is being distorted by some of the contributors to this forum. I get the feeling that they want others to believe that Haiti was an imperialistic conquering bully whose objective was to terrorize the Dominican people. What BS!!!!!"
"I think wen Boyer tried to strong arm the people it backfired. When he tried to intefere with religion thats where he went wrong. live and let live, however, I was not in his shoes so I cant truthfully say where he went wrong."
Trini,
If you think that only large nations engage in imperial conquest, you are sadly mistaken. The urges that drive men to seek glory and gold spring from the hearts of all men. Haiti indeed wanted to protect herself, but was perfectly willing to do so AT THE EXPENSE of the declared independent, 1821, Spanish speaking Eastern portion of the island!
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jan 2011 11:00 AM
From: United States, NYC
The pretext was to protect Haiti from foreign invaders, but the reasoning had more to do with the future negotiations over reparation payments to French merchants. So please do a bit of reading on the subject.
From: United States
Atabey,
200 years later youre saying shoulda woulda coulda. It happened and you make it seem like they were cowards. MAybe they were tired of fighting and seeing death all around them.
I do know my history very well I'm not a wanna be AA
Reparations to french merchants? It's called economic blackmail. It's called gunboat diplomacy. Win a war without firing a single shot.
Funny the French said we'll set you back 200 years.
It's 2011 now lets move on.
Send all illegal haitians back home. If the haitians in DR want to be treated with respect EVERY LAST ONE should stay home from work for 2 days.
See how quickly the mentallity changes
Written by: antonioj, 8 Jan 2011 12:54 PM
From: Canada, home safe
3000 Haitianos... just a token of gesture to appease the Dominican right, whoever is taking such decision should at a minimum make sure they gave them arms and proper military training to take on Haiti de facto dictator the clown Preval.
Until the Dominican realize proper governance in Haiti is a cause for increase immigration, they will face the same permanent problem. Leonel should denounce Preval as a clown,a murderer and bar him from entering the DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jan 2011 1:45 PM
From: United States, NYC
trini,
The Haitian State possessed overwhelming strength vis-a-vis the still dwarf Spanish speaking easterners. 50,000 troops were an enormous army in terms of relative strengths that both sides could marshal at the time. So the Haitian State was absolute in terms of power projection versus the nascent Dominican or Spanish Haiti state. Remember the island had several names, but TWO people!! And yes there were people who sort Haitian protection, BUT they were just part of the overall dynamic of the times. Certainly the year before, 1821, when the Spanish speaking population sort integration into La Gran Colombia project of Simon Bolivar, the people of what would become the DR expressed themselves politically and culturally, too. Our forefathers sort integration along with our common colonial breathen in South America. This was not something the powerful Haitian State wanted nor would encourage. Indeed, Haiti invaded the Spanish eastern lands to forge a takeover before
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jan 2011 1:47 PM
From: United States, NYC
any serious integrative measures could be implemented along the lines of the Gran Colombia Project with the Spanish portion of Hispaniola. It was a pre-emptive act to put to rest any consolidation of said project. And the Haitian State had the military means to enforce their will on the island at the time.
So this convoluted period was not so clearly a case of the Haitians wanting to play nice and liberate the slaves of the Spanish portion of the island. There were many side-notes intertwined and some of these were imperial in reach. What prevented the completion of the project was the internal disorganization of the State. Lack of consensus and back-stabbing caused Haiti to fragment and so Haiti lost her golden chance to claim complete ownership of the island.
While some people from the eastern lands supported Haiti's move, many became disenchanted the moment the Haitians began to institute their takeover measures. While many were white, more than enough of these anti-Hai
From: United States, Brooklyn
at 2,000,000 million, the hatian population in the DR at this rate of 3,000 deported per day it would take us 666 days to remove the Haitian pest from the nation.
Let's get started!
Written by: Pepe32, 8 Jan 2011 2:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Gentleman,this is not the correct place to discuss history.
This thread is about repatriations so please open a thread in the forum about the Haitian Occupation and subsequent invasions of DR.
Ignorance ,you propose "a day without Haitians" make my day! DR somehow was able to do all the farming and all the labour before the Haitians and we would find a way to survive without them.
Written by: Pepe32, 8 Jan 2011 2:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The worst thing is that you always imply that we cannot survive without Haitians yet you complain when we move to deport ,
Written by: Pepe32, 8 Jan 2011 2:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic
please make up your minds,is it the supposed mistreatment you object to or the exercise of our sovreign and legal right to determine who can enter our country you object to ? .If you respect us as a nation you will accept our right to deport each and every illegal as we wish..end of story!
From: United States
PEPE,
be realistic and leave the BS behind. If mexicans unite for 2 days and not work what do you think would happen to the US economy. How many billions would be lost?
Isnt that how people force government to change?
I said many times deport all illegals its your right.
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jan 2011 3:42 PM
From: United States, NYC
I think we have reached an agreement?
Written by: ny4life, 8 Jan 2011 4:52 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
please make up your minds,is it the supposed mistreatment you object to or the exercise of our sovreign and legal right to determine who can enter our country you object to ? .If you respect us as a nation you will accept our right to deport each and every illegal as we wish..end of story!
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They don't respect our coutnry and they cry foul when excerise our legal and soverign right to deport. Like you said its not the mistreatment is the fact that we excerise our right which what they don't the DR to do!
End of story
Written by: ny4life, 8 Jan 2011 4:54 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
We have enough people in DR that want to work. Prices might go up but you know what wages in DR are already artificially low.
DR has managed without Haitian farm hand and construction and it will continue to do so. Dominicans are the ones suffering from lack of jobs and extremely low wages given to Haitians.
Written by: Pepe32, 8 Jan 2011 5:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Ignorance please make my day...convince your compatriots to leave or to stay home and let's see what happens...
As far as Mexicans in the US it is even more ridiculous because the US has millions of people worldwide waiting to enter so I am sure the could find the "skilled" labor that Mexicans provide.
Also ignorance if it is our right then stop jumping in every time Haitians are deported ..
You are correct ,for a short period their would be a readjustment needed but we would adjust and probably do something we should have done long ago ...mechanise ,especially in the agricultural sector .As far as the contruction sector prices will go up but since they will be forced to use DOMINICAN labor and pay better the buying power of Dominicans would actually increase.
Written by: Pepe32, 8 Jan 2011 5:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic
HaitianlivinginTrinidad please post the link to that ridiculous $20 head of lettuce and take your creams and shove it where the sun doesn't shine because those creams sell very well in the US,Jamaica and even AFRICA as do Hair straighteners and similar products
Written by: danny00, 8 Jan 2011 6:23 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
wow! i took the time to read all these posts...
!wow! all u guys are wild.
sunscreen,lettuce,, people from mexico ect! what does all of these have to do with the haitian problem?..
Written by: Pepe32, 8 Jan 2011 7:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Nothing Danny ,just that your people want to distract from the issue which is that there are way too many Haitians in DR and the rest of the world wants to dump this problem on us!
From: United States
Only if there was a way to sever that country and send it on its way (wishful thinking). We will forever have to deal with that "problem."
From: United States
send them all back. if theyre illegal they dont belong there
Written by: curlando, 9 Jan 2011 1:52 PM
From: United States, Bronx
Grab all illegals by throat and toss them out.
From: United States
curlando start with you and your family in washington heights
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Jan 2011 7:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic
ignorance ,since when are legal residents and US citizens deported??
You still don't understand the difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL ,perhaps the Haitian mindset is not ready for the cocept of LAW and ORDER!
From: United States
PEPE,
what are you talking about? Illegal is illegal send them back. This haitian brain has beend consistent.
Curlando is in the bronx so please.
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Jan 2011 11:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Ignorance ,how does curlando being in the Bronx make him illegal?
Besides for all your distractions the topic is about Dominican law and deportation of Haitians so make up your mind ,is it ok if we deport as many Haitians as we wish?
From: United States
Distraction? Illegal is illegal. Deport them all.
From: Dominican Republic
Personally I feel that you are wasting time on arguing with this matter. I was told that there is nothing changed at the border except the bribe amount. I know a Haitian who went home for the christmas and I was surprised to see him yesterday. i asked him how he had made it. He told me that he used to pay 2500 Pesos and this time it was 4000 Pesos. He told me that there was no problem other than this.
From: United States
I notice silence on this subject. Nothing is going to change. i need to stop arguing with fools
Written by: Nehesy, 11 Jan 2011 8:16 AM
From: France, Paris
HumbleHindu said
"I know a Haitian who went home for the christmas and I was surprised to see him yesterday. i asked him how he had made it. He told me that he used to pay 2500 Pesos and this time it was 4000 Pesos. He told me that there was no problem other than this"
We saw on a French TV report few weeks ago , the dominican soldiers in the DR/Haiti border were taking money from Haitians women, they counted the money and led them personally on the other side.
if you pass 20 or 30 illegals a month that should be some good money for these soldiers
When you have money you can be illegal in the DR as long as you want , like many gringos ( but some would not cry after their illegal status , why ?)
Anyway good luck to all these folks (Haitian/Dominicans), I wonder when all this mess (specially the racial hatred) will come to an end
Written by: Pepe32, 14 Jan 2011 12:39 AM
From: Dominican Republic
3,000 per day would be about the right amount ..
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The only sensible approach
Barely touched the tip of the iceberg.
Keep doing it lke it's' for real, not a big splash and then nothing.
now there is an easy accusation!!!!!
This issue is one that can only be solved in one manner and that is with the "repatriation" of the majority of illegal Haitians and some sort of guest worker program for those that the DR government in conjunction with the businesses determines are needed in our workforce.
The problem is that many of those who speak of human rights only mention them as a weapon against my country while remaining silent to the atrocities commited in Haiti and if this situation is not handled with frimness and conviction violent outbreaks are INEVITABLE and will blow up in the governments face.
It is notable that the deportations are happening in the region that was threatening to expel
I think Haitians should do the same they do in D.R do it in Haiti, work.
If somebody offer them the means to do it, their future could be brighter, and they won't have to hide from being deported in their own land.
I know most of them are hard-working people, all they need is a leader to put Haiti to work.
Those who hope for unification or who push for an acceptance of a massive Haitian presence will have to realise that our forefathers fought too hard to gain our independence just to hand it over to others and that the continued presence of a massive group of Haitians in DR is a sure fire recipe for disaster.
We want peace and we want progress for Haiti ,but each on their own side ...neighbors sharing an island with respect!
BTW we can (and should)mechanise the sugar cane harvest and many other tasks could be mechanised and would be mechanised by now if a ridiculously cheap labour source was not present. There are also the hordes of beggars and street vendors who are not really doing anything except lowering the standards of the country.
We want peace with the Haitians in Haiti and progress for Haiti and again unless you can change peoples souls hatred is something you cannot control and will unfortunately always exist in this world .Having said that I believe that hatred can be reduced with respect and positive interaction not by forced and unwanted interaction and
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Key word: consistency.
Keep doing it lke it's' for real, not a big splash and then nothing
YEAH SURE! JUST LIKE THE TRUCKS IN THE RIGHT LANE ONLY SPLASH IN THE PAN.
LOTS OF SPLASHS FROM THE DR GOVERNMENT BUT MOST OR IF NOT ALL LIVE FOR ONLY A SHORT TIME THEN ITS BACK TO THE SAME OLD WAYS.
You like most newcomers to this forum come with the same tired mantra of a purely racial reason for the antagonism yet the history between us has never been good and race is not the main reason for this antagonism for Dominicans don't view Jamaicans,Trinidadians etc in the same way .
So if you want peace advocate for the rich nations to accept Haitians in their countries and for a change in Haitian society for that is where the real problem is .You speak of hate and if there is one country that has had enough hate for the whole world it is Haiti were blood is constantly spilled and people are mistreated and abused constantly!
Again, respect begins by acknowledging borders and respecting them BY BOTH SIDES.
the event that was called the parsley massacre the event that was met with hugh interational criticism.the event that left 17,000------ 35,000 haitians dead.
You are pushing for a unification of the island and granting Haitians access to both sides so they can move freely.
That is not the soultion. Respect the laws of DR and work to remake the Haitian constitution to allow for greater participation of its people.
A strong institutional commitment by both States, Haiti and DR, to a) document their respective natives and b) respect their common border regions will go a very long way towards reaching an amicable peace between both sides. Again, the operative term is: both States.
We have NEVER invaded Haiti nor occupied Haiti and our mass murdering tyrant is despised in this country ,yet in Haiti their butchers and mass murderers are glorified and have statues in their honour.
Besides there is the matter of the Haitian constitution speaking of the island as HAITI and being one and INDIVISIBLE ,that is not respect and must be changed in the Haitian constitution if we are to ever trust them!
victim of attacks? guess u dont understand what i'am writing about.....
why dont u show me that 35,000 haitians where not killed?
hey! iam dominican not against my country. ok! i live in the states but i do support the dr. what happen in the past does not help solve the problems of today does it? you think that mr. trulillo had no blood on this hands? both haitians and dominican blood he had on this body.
From: United States, Miami
We need 3000 deported everyday!! Plus all those mangy Europeans and Canadians who overstayed their visa!!!!
AND THEN LETS GET UNCLE SAM TO DEPORT EVERY DAY THE DOMINICANS THAT ARE IN THE STATES EVERY DAY YOU WOULD LIKE THIS? DONT KNOW IF YOUR IN MIAMI OR JUST MAYBE IN HIALEAH FL. BUT YOU WOULD BE UNHAPPY IF UNCLE SAM DID THIS WOULD U NOT?
something is not right with this statement.
what the hell are doing in the united states buddy?
ON TO WHAT THE HAITIANS DID TO THE PEOPLE OF THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC.
Although the invasion effectively eliminated colonial slavery and instated a constitution modeled after the United States constitution throughout the island, several resolutions and written dispositions were expressly aimed at converting Dominicans into second-class citizens: restrictions of movement, prohibition to run for public office, night curfews, inability to travel in groups, banning of civilian organizations, and the indefinite closure of the state university (on the alleged grounds of its being a subversive organization) all led to the creation of movements advocating separation from Haiti.
THE PROMOTER BROUGHT IN ALL THESE PEOPLE...
WELL THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT THE PROMOTERS ARE DOMINICANS.
YES ALL THE RICO BUSINESS PEOPLE THAT WANT NOT ONLY TO ENSLAVE THEIR OWN PEOPLE BUT THE HAITIANS AS WELL.
Side note- Haiti did not choose to pay that ridiculous amount of money to France- Not sure if you are simply choosing selective account of history or not- There was a Naval blockade imposed on Haiti not only by France but also by the US and Great Britain the major power at the time clearly I'm sure you are aware no country can survive without trade. Haiti Had to agreed to those terms in order to get that blockade lifted and be recognized as a free and independent nation(15Billion USD in today's money. In 1914 The US marines invaded Haiti stayed until 1934 for Haiti was getting shaky on payments to the bankers in NY who had finance this debt repayment. The last payment was paid in 1947. For nearly a 100years 80 cent of each dollar earned by the Haitian government went to this debt.
this is some problem iam not taking sides who's right who's wrong. for me it seems like a no win for both sides at this time. yes their are way to many haitians in the dr, sorry for these people that in most only want to surive.
its a problem that is way over my head and i wish the best to any one or group of people that want to put a fix to this major problem. saying he did this and they did this in no way can resolve this major problem for both countries.
dont know if this is the correct answer for this problem.
maybe just protect the borders, let them get a visa as is the case in all countrys in the world. {i do not know of any country and i travel a lot that does one not need a visa to enter the dr has this right}
try and put a stop of the so called promoters as u had said on both sides, ,both countries. not enough work for dominicans at this time in the dr. so let this governement stand up and protect its own they have this right, let the peace-maker president go on national t.v. and let the world know what is going on in the dr and haiti.. he seems to have the time to travel to other countries to help fix their problems does he not?
Happy New Year to you.
When I stated that Haiti chose to pay the reparation payments to France, I think in 1825, they did so as a sovereign people. Yes, France was prepared to impose a Naval blockade and do all sorts of bad deeds. I regard France as the Great Creator of this horrendously tragic and human consuming project. Many are the beautiful cities in France, especially along the coastline, Bordeaux, that have magnificence because of the Great Slave dividends garnered from the tens of thousands of dead Haitians forced to work the fields and agricultural schemes concocted by their colonial masters from France. But to get to my point, that Haiti chose to pay instead of fighting it out, I think if you go back you'll find that some folks in Haiti wanted to fight and not pay the horrendous reparation payments demanded by the French.
Listen here Bernard there are two reasons for what you stated. One Haitians have all of the jobs Dominicans will not accept for a lesser wage and in essence only one class of people benifit and that is the Dominican ellite. What happens the Haitians get dumped back to the wasteland the poor Dominicans get poorer and the rich get richer.
pleasE! give me a darn break. We deport this parasites(you and your parasite family as well), in a matter of a year or two in a slow process, while replacing them for our own workers who deserve better salaries and improved working conditions. end of case.
you need reading comprehension my friend. Chose to pay reparations. France threatened to start firing cannons into the cities, reinstate slavery, etc. Funny part is noone helped haiti everyone turned their backs. Go back to school stop twisting words to suit your agenda.
Mirabel,
I think wen Boyer tried to strong arm the people it backfired. When he tried to intefere with religion thats where he went wrong. live and let live, however, I was not in his shoes so I cant truthfully say where he went wrong.
Ateo,
This is a show to appease a minority group. If 600,000 are illegal lets see how many are deported by the end of the year.
Why don't you read about Haitian history? Perhaps you didn't when growing up in Haiti, but being in the USA should allow you some opportunity to study a bit, no?
The French demands were argued by the Haitian leadership at the time, the pros and cons, and a determination was made to not fight but pay the horrendous reparations that neutered the young Haitian Nation-State for life.
Much as you have been neutered in reading comprehension, the price was historically speaking the deal that should NEVER have been made. And those Haitians arguing against it were correct. So stop being an apologist for that dreadful decision making as its consequences are all too clear for all to see, save a few lost souls living in shoe boxes.
Have a good New Year and learn to read in 2011.
"I am trying to understand why our history is being distorted by some of the contributors to this forum. I get the feeling that they want others to believe that Haiti was an imperialistic conquering bully whose objective was to terrorize the Dominican people. What BS!!!!!"
"I think wen Boyer tried to strong arm the people it backfired. When he tried to intefere with religion thats where he went wrong. live and let live, however, I was not in his shoes so I cant truthfully say where he went wrong."
Trini,
If you think that only large nations engage in imperial conquest, you are sadly mistaken. The urges that drive men to seek glory and gold spring from the hearts of all men. Haiti indeed wanted to protect herself, but was perfectly willing to do so AT THE EXPENSE of the declared independent, 1821, Spanish speaking Eastern portion of the island!
200 years later youre saying shoulda woulda coulda. It happened and you make it seem like they were cowards. MAybe they were tired of fighting and seeing death all around them.
I do know my history very well I'm not a wanna be AA
Reparations to french merchants? It's called economic blackmail. It's called gunboat diplomacy. Win a war without firing a single shot.
Funny the French said we'll set you back 200 years.
It's 2011 now lets move on.
Send all illegal haitians back home. If the haitians in DR want to be treated with respect EVERY LAST ONE should stay home from work for 2 days.
See how quickly the mentallity changes
Until the Dominican realize proper governance in Haiti is a cause for increase immigration, they will face the same permanent problem. Leonel should denounce Preval as a clown,a murderer and bar him from entering the DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
The Haitian State possessed overwhelming strength vis-a-vis the still dwarf Spanish speaking easterners. 50,000 troops were an enormous army in terms of relative strengths that both sides could marshal at the time. So the Haitian State was absolute in terms of power projection versus the nascent Dominican or Spanish Haiti state. Remember the island had several names, but TWO people!! And yes there were people who sort Haitian protection, BUT they were just part of the overall dynamic of the times. Certainly the year before, 1821, when the Spanish speaking population sort integration into La Gran Colombia project of Simon Bolivar, the people of what would become the DR expressed themselves politically and culturally, too. Our forefathers sort integration along with our common colonial breathen in South America. This was not something the powerful Haitian State wanted nor would encourage. Indeed, Haiti invaded the Spanish eastern lands to forge a takeover before
So this convoluted period was not so clearly a case of the Haitians wanting to play nice and liberate the slaves of the Spanish portion of the island. There were many side-notes intertwined and some of these were imperial in reach. What prevented the completion of the project was the internal disorganization of the State. Lack of consensus and back-stabbing caused Haiti to fragment and so Haiti lost her golden chance to claim complete ownership of the island.
While some people from the eastern lands supported Haiti's move, many became disenchanted the moment the Haitians began to institute their takeover measures. While many were white, more than enough of these anti-Hai
at 2,000,000 million, the hatian population in the DR at this rate of 3,000 deported per day it would take us 666 days to remove the Haitian pest from the nation.
Let's get started!
This thread is about repatriations so please open a thread in the forum about the Haitian Occupation and subsequent invasions of DR.
Ignorance ,you propose "a day without Haitians" make my day! DR somehow was able to do all the farming and all the labour before the Haitians and we would find a way to survive without them.
be realistic and leave the BS behind. If mexicans unite for 2 days and not work what do you think would happen to the US economy. How many billions would be lost?
Isnt that how people force government to change?
I said many times deport all illegals its your right.
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They don't respect our coutnry and they cry foul when excerise our legal and soverign right to deport. Like you said its not the mistreatment is the fact that we excerise our right which what they don't the DR to do!
End of story
DR has managed without Haitian farm hand and construction and it will continue to do so. Dominicans are the ones suffering from lack of jobs and extremely low wages given to Haitians.
As far as Mexicans in the US it is even more ridiculous because the US has millions of people worldwide waiting to enter so I am sure the could find the "skilled" labor that Mexicans provide.
Also ignorance if it is our right then stop jumping in every time Haitians are deported ..
You are correct ,for a short period their would be a readjustment needed but we would adjust and probably do something we should have done long ago ...mechanise ,especially in the agricultural sector .As far as the contruction sector prices will go up but since they will be forced to use DOMINICAN labor and pay better the buying power of Dominicans would actually increase.
!wow! all u guys are wild.
sunscreen,lettuce,, people from mexico ect! what does all of these have to do with the haitian problem?..
You still don't understand the difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL ,perhaps the Haitian mindset is not ready for the cocept of LAW and ORDER!
what are you talking about? Illegal is illegal send them back. This haitian brain has beend consistent.
Curlando is in the bronx so please.
Besides for all your distractions the topic is about Dominican law and deportation of Haitians so make up your mind ,is it ok if we deport as many Haitians as we wish?
"I know a Haitian who went home for the christmas and I was surprised to see him yesterday. i asked him how he had made it. He told me that he used to pay 2500 Pesos and this time it was 4000 Pesos. He told me that there was no problem other than this"
We saw on a French TV report few weeks ago , the dominican soldiers in the DR/Haiti border were taking money from Haitians women, they counted the money and led them personally on the other side.
if you pass 20 or 30 illegals a month that should be some good money for these soldiers
When you have money you can be illegal in the DR as long as you want , like many gringos ( but some would not cry after their illegal status , why ?)
Anyway good luck to all these folks (Haitian/Dominicans), I wonder when all this mess (specially the racial hatred) will come to an end