Santo Domingo.- The government of Israel Monday expressed its “deception” for the way in which Dominican Republic decided to support Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas’ bid for UN recognition, instead entering into a bilateral negotiation process.
Israeli ambassador Moshe Sermoneta, quoted by news source elcaribe.com.do, said his country agrees with the Palestinians’ right to statehood, but noted that the process must unfold via direct dialogue and not by means of a UN decision.
He said president Leonel Fernandez should’ve taken advantage of Abbas’ presence in the country to ask him about the important issues which have prevented an agreement and which Israel’s authorities, headed by prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, had explained to the Dominican leader when he visited the Middle East. “Naturally, we are disappointed because Dominican Republic has decided to support the Palestine authority to look for support before the UN without negotiating.”
Sermoneta said however that despite the delicate issue the ties between the two countries remain strong.
“The relations (Israel and DR) are good, but it’s a delicate subject and we would’ve liked to hear the President express it in a manner which reflects that friendship,” the diplomat said.
Sermoneta also noted that Abbas, who in his visit last week was received in the National Palace with honors, refuses to enter into a dialogue on the search for peace and maintains an agreement with the group Hamás, which the diplomat said is responsible for the slaughter of many in the Gaza Strip conflict.
Written by: telemeco, 11 Oct 2011 8:10 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
See what happened when you shake the hand that feed you
From: United States
Way to go empty suit.
What's next, deny there was a holocaust?
Written by: Juango, 11 Oct 2011 8:43 AM
From: United States, far S. Florida (formerly Santo Domingo)
LF has always been spineless. He is a worthless POS who is interested only in his own well-being and would sell out his own mother, if it would personaly enrich him in any way. His position on the Education (budget) of his own people is proof of that.
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... (Look, beyond the words)
The action that was taken by leonel should have been expected, this Con don't even respect his own people. If leo's speech is played backwards, you will hear the truth.
Leonel fly's his own flag.
Written by: abc200, 11 Oct 2011 9:29 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Written by: juanb, 11 Oct 2011 9:31 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Nice job, LF!!!
We are on the wrong side again, AS USUAL!!!!!
Written by: walnut, 11 Oct 2011 9:48 AM
From: Bouvet Island, Cayuga lakeside
If Abbas went to Gaza, he'd be thrown off a building for his beliefs.
Abu Mazen and his huge entourage get an all expenses paid trip around the world while his people starve.
Why not just sit down with the Jews and say, "We recognize the right for Israel to exist"?
The peace process will then begin in earnest.
Lf and Abbas are both worthless leaders acting like emperors.
Except the emperor has no clothes.
Written by: Atabey, 11 Oct 2011 10:10 AM
From: United States, NYC
LF is making the correct call. He has plenty of clear eyed and rational thinking behind his position. just read The Economist and many seasoned and rational publications. A Two State solution IS IN ISRAEL'S INTEREST!!
From: United States
LF is making the right call, when 98% of the population agree with Palestine's right to Statehood. That has to come via the UN or it will NOT happen. The blockade of Palestine is 10x worst than that of Cuba. People are always dragging Castro for his country's woes while ignoring the stranglehold that undermines it's progress. It's the same concept. Castro had to fight for Cuba's recognition in the UN despite the fierce opposition from the U.S.
Everyone has a right to exist and anyone who believe that direct negotiations will not come with severe restrictions are out of their minds. Only through the UN can this be accomplished.
Written by: airgordo, 11 Oct 2011 11:43 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: juanb, 11 Oct 2011 9:31 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Nice job, LF!!!
We are on the wrong side again, AS USUAL!!!!!
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I beg to differ on this one, actually THE WHOLE WORLD but Israel and the US support the palestine Bid, so we are on the RIGHT SIDE...All latin America supports the same and we as part of it SHOULD NOT stay out of this block, if we have an issue on the future is this block the one that will support us....the only thing i consider the comic president should have said is that while DR supports Palestine statehood, This HAS TO GO along with Israel SECURITY!!, i think that is the way to go, a palestine state that ENSURES Israel SECURITY.
From: United States
Today I am so proud of the dominican people .you have beat your own drum and dance to your own tune. You have not dance to the tune of the mighty us. Might does not make right. We talk about the palestinian jews but we never talk about jews killing palestinian. A bomb from a plane does more damage. If isreal wants them to regonize isreal. Isreal must do the same and stop building on the gaza strip. If you guys hate l.F today you must be proud him. I SALUTE YOU DOMINICANS. I AM PROUD OF YOU AND MUCH RESPECT. I REPEAT I AM PROUD OF YOU DOMINICANS
From: United Kingdom
@walnut, Are you part of the "Hasbara brigade"? You're constantly mis-informing, giving half truths and just plain lying! The fact of the matter is that the PLO has more than once said that they are willing to recognise 'Israel right to exist'! 'Israel' being the operative word here. What Netanyahu has demanded & persist on, is for the PLO to recognise a "Jewish state", 'Jewish' being the operative word. My question to you is, do you know the different between recognising "Israel right to exist" or "Recognising a Jewish state"???. If you don't know the massive different between the two I can make it clear for you? But if you do know the different, you're being disingenuous to most readers on this blog who know little or none on the subject of Palestine-Israel situation. I expect you to correct the mistake and to acknowledge the different. I will await your respond.
Written by: RonEvane, 11 Oct 2011 1:29 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
That's right, Airgordo.
The first step to peace is to recognise each-other's right to exist!
Written by: Escott, 11 Oct 2011 1:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera and Sosua a 2 days a month for payday
I recognize Israels right to be a Jewish State. Why not historically it always has been since the start of civilization.
PLO is partnered with Hamas who controls about half the country and Hamas denies Israels right to exist in any form and is sworn to the demise of Israel.
I know you think blowing up innocent women, men and children is ok and to lob thousands of rockets at civilian targets is ok but civilized people DO NOT.
From: United Kingdom
@Escott, Do you know what you are saying when you right "I recognize Israels right to be a Jewish State."? and you also wrote "Why not historically it always has been since the start of civilization." That's complete rubbish! You're talking about the bible, a book written by religious fanatics, and here you're trying to pass that as history?? You also wrote "PLO is partnered with Hamas who controls about half the country and Hamas enies Israels right to exist in any form and is sworn to the demise of Israel." Well, Hamas has declare "We’ll recognize Israel within '67 borders" guess what, that is UN RESOLUTION 242! and 89% of the world recognises the same thing. This is the most laughable tho, "I know you think blowing up innocent women, men and children is ok and to lob thousands of rockets at civilian targets is ok but civilized people DO NOT." Is Israel civilzed?? How many Israelis have die from these thousands of homemade rockets??
From: United Kingdom
Continual, Do you know how many innocent women, men and children have been blown to smithereens by the Israeli air force, or how killed by the IDF?? You're a propagandist, and like walnut are part of the 'Hasbara Brigade working for the Zionist entity, myself and others are hip to your lot, you wouldn't get a free ride with your lies anymore.
From: United States
@ escot isreal can't be jewish state no more can the us be protestant state. Not everyone is jewish in isreal. Isreal could be a state.jewish is a religion. The original jews came out of ethiopia an african country. If you want respect you must respect yourself first then I will respect you.regonize me I will rgoneze you. ISREAL REGONIZE PALESTINE SO PALESTINE COULD REGONIZE YOU
From: United Kingdom
@ the_haitian, escot is a Zionist propagandist, and treats the bloggers on this site like idiots. You will not get the truth from this person. If he was a genuine person, he would know that a "Jewish State' Has Become an Anachronism" and It would be an Apartheid state if that was the case.
From: United States
@mymy he watch to much fox t.v you have to forgive him he is uninform. In the us if you say annything bad about isreal you are antisemitic. You have to remember who control the media. You will only get half truth or their truth
From: United Kingdom
@ the_haitian, You're absolutely right! but the crazy thing is that walnut, and Escott are either lying thru their teeth, or don't know anything about what they're defending! They don't realise that they cannot continual with the same old soundbites that are constantly being push by the mainstream media in the USA. People have become more educated and more aware of who's doing what and to whom. Only a real fanatic cannot see how a population with no army, air force or navy, no modern weapons against the strongest military might in the middle east, and amongst the most sophisticated in the world and the most aggressive, can be consider the oppressor, and vice versa. It is like seeing the world upside down.
Written by: walnut, 11 Oct 2011 5:02 PM
From: Bouvet Island, Cayuga lakeside
Yo spin,
Israel is a country that has the right to exist.
No Arab country will utter those words.
Do you see what the Arab Spring is bringing to the Coptics of Egypt?
The Moslem world rarely tolerates anyone who is not Moslem.
Moslems make up a significant part of the population in Israel and are better off than Moslems anywhere in the world. They want to stay citizens.
Know how many churches, Hindu shrines and synagogues in most Moslem countries? Few and the number is dwindling fast due to the extremists.
Spin, you Ever have a relative blown up by a terrorist bomb in a cafeteria?
Written by: walnut, 11 Oct 2011 5:11 PM
From: Bouvet Island, Cayuga lakeside
For thousands, yes thousands of years, Jews have been persecuted.
The country of Israel, our homeland for more than three thousand years, is a place of safety and security for the Jewish people.
The world will come to an end, mark my words, if the Arab world gets their way and forces the Jews into the sea.
My question to you, MyMy, about a terrorist blowing up a relative is a relevant one.
When you answer yes like I can, we can sit down and discuss peace.
Until then, don't talk garbage lime only you know the facts.
Ever been in Israel?
From: United Kingdom
@ walnut, I knew you were a Zionist and you've finally emitted it! What do the Palestinians have to do with the persecution of the Jews?? You're writing rubbish again and pure fantasy, the fairy tale about Gods chosen people is just that a "fairy tale". About 89% of Jews living in Israel today come from Eastern Europe, Russia, some from Western Europe and other places like northern Africa. The Eastern European Jews were originally Khazars who converted to Judaism, and have NO claim what so ever to the Middle East. The Palestinian and their ancestors who've been living in this region for over a thousand years, plus a small amount of Sephardi Jews who have also been living there for millennium are the closes you're gonna get to who's entitle to have any claim to this land. So writing nonsense about the Arab pushing the jews into the sea, it is such a boring narrative and no one but a twisted Zionist like yourself believes such rubbish.
Written by: walnut, 11 Oct 2011 6:02 PM
From: Bouvet Island, Cayuga lakeside
Mymy,
You are wrong about the origins of the Jewish people.
Two thousand years ago, the Romans conquered Israel and began the diaspora.
My grandparents, while born in Europe, were only there because they were forced out of their homeland generations before.
Read a history book that is not propaganda and you will discover that the Jewish people were in Israel long before Arab bedouins.
I am not a Zionist.
First, I am American. Second, I am Jewish.
Just what are you?
From: United Kingdom
Continual @ Walnut, I've been to Israel on 2-occasion and still have good friends there, but I do not need to live there or visit to know what is happening on the ground. It's one of the most cover subject outside the USA. You keep talking about a terrorist blowing himself up, I have NOT heard you mention state terror which is what Israel is. Terrorising millions of people everyday, people who cannot defend themselves, that's how cowardly your tribe is! You need billions of dollars from the US, and the most sophisticated weapons to terrorist a people who don't even have an army! How brave and heroic you lot are. Your days are number, but not because anyone is gonna push you into the sea, but because the civilise world will see right thru your lies and deceit and treat you for what you really are, a Pariah state.
From: United Kingdom
@ Walnut, what are you doing on a Dominican site pushing your Zionist agendas? I know your lot is omnipresent but you cannot control or brainwash everyone everywhere, is just not possible.
From: United Kingdom
@ Walnut, your history is so flaw that a child can see thru it! Cannot believe that you would write this "My grandparents, while born in Europe, were only there because they were forced out of their homeland generations before." How many generations before were they force out, and by who, the Romans??? Come on Walnut you're getting more and more desperate with your stories, even to the point of twisting history. Zionist guild line, when you cannot debate a subject with facts, make some up. You ask me what am I. I'm a human being first and foremost, I don't belong to any tribe, I don't kiss any flags, I'm not patriotic towards any country, and although I was born in DR I hold no nationalistic sentiments towards it. But being a human first, I believe in justice for the oppress, and the Palestinians are Beneath The Heel Of Oppression thanks to your tribe. Surly you can see this, although it might be hard if you've been condition from day one to believe that opposite to be true.
From: United Kingdom
@ Walnut, your history is so flaw that a child can see thru it! Cannot believe that you would write this "My grandparents, while born in Europe, were only there because they were forced out of their homeland generations before." How many generations before were they force out, and by who, the Romans??? Come on Walnut you're getting more and more desperate with your stories, even to the point of twisting history. Zionist guild line, when you cannot debate a subject with facts, make some up. You ask me what am I. I'm a human being first and foremost, I don't belong to any tribe, I don't kiss any flags, I'm not patriotic towards any country, and although I was born in DR I hold no nationalistic sentiments towards it. But being a human first, I believe in justice for the oppress, and the Palestinians are Beneath The Heel Of Oppression thanks to your tribe. Surly you can see this, although it might be hard if you've been condition from day one to believe that opposite to be true.
Written by: DomRat, 11 Oct 2011 9:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Sadly the Palestinians have about as much chance of justice - binding agreements, respect, fairness and any land back from Israel as the American Indians got from the U.S. government. Trail of tears ........
Written by: walnut, 11 Oct 2011 10:09 PM
From: Bouvet Island, Cayuga lakeside
Mr MyMy,
The "Palestinians" originally referred to the Jews.
I do not twist history,sir you do.
The Romans forced the Hebrews from the land of Israel.
As for why I am on this site, I have lived in the DR over 25 years and you are the one on this site blabbering. You only appear when a Middle Eastern issue appears. Are you paid by the Saudis to spread lies?
Terrorising millions? Are you serious?
Your logic is just flawed.....period.
One cannot logic with those lacking perspective.
The civilized world cares little about real issues; the massacres in Darfur, Sudan, Syria, Egypt are proof.
One Israeli worth 1000 Palestinians? Do the math.
Save your breath to debate another "Zionist".
As the Jews said to the Pharoahs of Egypt three thousand years ago, Dayenu....meaning enough.
From: United Kingdom
@Walnut. Is obvious we're getting no where when you start to bring history into the debate base on the bible. There's an alternative history that Zionists like yourself refuse to acknowledge. I suggest you read Shlomo Sands take on the Romans and the Jews, it could be an eye opener if you want to get closer to the truth, but if what I suspect in your case(Zionist) and part of the 'Hasbara Brigade" it wouldn't matter if the truth smack you across the face. Lets stick to what's happening now, you have already used enough divert tactics and thrown the main subject out of the conversation. The facts remain that Israel is a terrorist state, all you need to do is read the UN report on Israel's "Cast Lead" against the Palestinians. Israel has been in breach of UN resolution for half a century. Israel has broken more UN resolutions then any other in UN history!
From: United Kingdom
Continual @ Walnut, These are facts, not fairy tales from the bible. Israel occupies and suppresses the people of Palestine thru terror, humiliation, collective punishment on children. These are not my words, but the UN's. Walnut your kind cannot hide the truth any longer, people are beginning to see thru the lies that your Zionist own media, your bought and paid congressmen & women tell. Even your lobbyist AIPAC & the JDL are becoming irrelevant. You talk about me lacking "perspective", that has to be the biggest joke? You're singing the same old tune everyone in the USA has been singing for the last 60th years, and I have NO perspective?? You should've one of your 'Hasbara' mate check your writing before you posted, it can save you some embarrassment. "One Israeli worth 1000 Palestinians? Do the math." What does that suppose to mean? Get it thru your head Walnut, you're not the chosen people cause if there was a God, he be consider a practical joker.
From: United States
@-mymy you not being fare to walnut. You can't be giving him all that truth. You have to be gentle,let him come for air ok, sorry walnut I know mymy is telling you to much fact @ once so forgive him
From: United Kingdom
@ the_haitian, you know it makes sense. We need to keep the haters & dividers on the run, we cannot afford to give them a free ride any longer. Knowledge to the masses is their worst fear.
From: United Kingdom
@ the_haitian, you know it makes sense. We need to keep the haters & dividers on the run, we cannot afford to give them a free ride any longer. Knowledge to the masses is their worst fear.
From: United States
Did anywhere in the request for statehood do they renounce violence and will disarm the terrorist groups that openly reside in it's territories?The state of Palestine never existed the name refers to the race of people in the area. Jordon was Israels neighbor not Palestine and the lands take were Jordanian. The palestinian people could have had peace and a state 40 years ago by simply saying Israel exists. We renounce violence towards Israel and will disarm the terrorist and take away the weapons. Hamas has in it's charter calling for the destruction of Israel. They are like the Haitians of the middle east . Poor and starving while the leadership gets rich diverting UN donations to purchase arms from Iran and allowing the people to starve. The people of Gaza have the seventh highest birth rate in the world
From: United Kingdom
@sweetbabyj, You've come into this debate kinda late and abate with the same rubbish as Walnut! Israel did not exist till 48, the Palestinian & their ancestors have been in the same area for a millennium, around 89% of Israelis living in this area are from outside the middle east all together prior 48. What is this nonsense about the Palestinians renouncing violence when they're being attack by the most powerful military state in the ME. If someone wanted to mug you, would you cease to used equal force to stop him from mugging you if the mugger says stop fighting back & let me mug you in peace? Has Israel denounce violence? Who will disarm Israel & is 500 nuclear weapon in stash in the Dimona facility? Who has killed more people in the Middle East, Israel or the Palestinians? You haven't been paying attention Sweetbaby, Hamas dropped it's call for destruction of Israel from is manifesto in 2006, so get it straight.
From: United Kingdom
Continual @ sweetbabyj, You wrote "The people of Gaza have the seventh highest birth rate in the world". You think you're a well inform person, so why don't you answer your own question on why this is so? I will await your wisdom.
From: United Kingdom
@ Sweetbabyj, what a moronic comparison "They are like the Haitians of the middle east . Poor and starving while the leadership gets rich diverting UN donations to purchase arms from Iran and allowing the people to starve". Is Haiti being bomb with Depleted Uranium by a superior force? Are there any Dominican settlers destroying Haitians homes, or burning their crop? How can you come out with such drivel and no one questions your knowledge on what you write? Is no wonder why they get away with theirs deeds, mis-inform people like yourself perpetrating the lie.
From: United Kingdom
@ Sweetbabyj, I don't really blamed people like yourself unless you're part of the "Hasbara Brigade", because what do people expect when most of USA citizens have lived thru out their lives on a particular narrative, and you cannot question that narrative no matter how absurd it sounds to you, otherwise you'll be called a anti-semite, and demonise, called a fruit cake or worst. You just repeat the same old soundbites that you've heard on FoxNews by bought pundits who don't know a freaking thing about the ME, but it doesn't matter cause they're getting pay for perpetrating the lies. Even tho most of the lies have been debunked, they still see fit to repeat the same lies cause they figure that if they keep telling telling them often enough that it will stick as truth. Sweetbabyj, you're a willing recipient and it shows. I suggest you become a bit more critical on what the mass media says, I've a simple rule, when the mass media says yes l know the truth is no, and vice versa.
From: United Kingdom
@ Sweetbabyj, I don't really blamed people like yourself unless you're part of the "Hasbara Brigade", because what do people expect when most of USA citizens have lived thru out their lives on a particular narrative, and you cannot question that narrative no matter how absurd it sounds to you, otherwise you'll be called a anti-semite, and demonise, called a fruit cake or worst. You just repeat the same old soundbites that you've heard on FoxNews by bought pundits who don't know a freaking thing about the ME, but it doesn't matter cause they're getting pay for perpetrating the lies. Even tho most of the lies have been debunked, they still see fit to repeat the same lies cause they figure that if they keep telling telling them often enough that it will stick as truth. Sweetbabyj, you're a willing recipient and it shows. I suggest you become a bit more critical on what the mass media says, I've a simple rule, when the mass media says yes l know the truth is no, and vice versa.
Written by: walnut, 12 Oct 2011 2:43 PM
From: Bouvet Island, Cayuga lakeside
My
Do your history books have any mention of the Jews being in Israel before the Moslems?
Without name calling, do you feel the UN is relevant?
Can the state of Israel exist side by side with a Palestinian state?
I do not profess to be a "chosen" people because of the discrimination and genocide of the Jews.
I subscribe to peace, education and acts of charity and kindness.
Does the Arab world agree to that philosophy?
From: United Kingdom
@ walnut, You're slightly changing your tone mate! But I will give you a question with another question, were the Canaanites in Palestine before the Jews? or for that matter were the Native Americans in the USA before the Europeans? You see your question is a pretty loaded question non the less. There is a consensus emerging that the Jewish kingdoms were only one of many periods in ancient Palestine, and that the Jewish rule is about 400 years. Palestine has been an Arab & Islamic country since the end of the 7th century, that's over 1200 years. The experts say, the parent tree of Palestine is Canaanite civillization which pre-dates the Israelites by 800 years. Is the picture becoming a little bit more clear Walnut? You can imagine that there must have been plenty of intermarriage & converts. So my point is, that the Jews & Palestinians that were living side by side at the turn of the 20th century in Palestine were probably ancestral related.
From: United Kingdom
@ walnut, You're slightly changing your tone mate! But I will give you a question with another question, were the Canaanites in Palestine before the Jews? or for that matter were the Native Americans in the USA before the Europeans? You see your question is a pretty loaded question non the less. There is a consensus emerging that the Jewish kingdoms were only one of many periods in ancient Palestine, and that the Jewish rule is about 400 years. Palestine has been an Arab & Islamic country since the end of the 7th century, that's over 1200 years. The experts say, the parent tree of Palestine is Canaanite civillization which pre-dates the Israelites by 800 years. Is the picture becoming a little bit more clear Walnut? You can imagine that there must have been plenty of intermarriage & converts. So my point is, that the Jews & Palestinians that were living side by side at the turn of the 20th century in Palestine were probably ancestral related.
From: United Kingdom
Continual @ Walnut, To answer your question is the UN relevant? was it relevant in 1948 when the mandate was handed out to the UN of a proposed Jewish state on Palestinian land?? Can the Jewish state live side by side with a Palestinian state? that's the trillion dollar question, but have you seen a map of Palestine? The West Bank & Gaza are separated by Israeli settlements, and resemble 2-different states with no Cohesion, just the way Israel wants it to be. In short, Israel needs to comply with UN resolution 242 for it to stand any chance, and is not the Palestinians who are holding this back, is Israel & the USA. So you're stuck between a rock & a hard place. In one sentence you profess to peace, education & acts of charity & kindness? Than you question if the Arab world agree to those same principles. Don't you see your arrogance in those 2 sentences???
Or do you subscribe to the Zionist & neocons Narrative that all Arabs are terrorist & hate all the things you mention?
From: United Kingdom
Continual @ Walnut, how can anyone take you serious man, when you write things like that? You want to afford all the things you mention to one people and on the other hand you take away from another! The bottom line is, for it to be Peace and for 2-states to be living side by side, you must have Justice, no Justice no Peace.... Plain and simple.
Written by: walnut, 12 Oct 2011 4:59 PM
From: Bouvet Island, Cayuga lakeside
This is one of the reasons the UN is irrelevant.
Professor Don Habibi of the University of North Carolina at Wilmington lamented the limited reports on Sudan and Darfur, in contrast to reports on Israel. He criticized the United Nations, among other organizations, for their “obsession” with Israel, to the exclusion of other human rights violators. Habibi wrote: "This obsession would make sense if Israel was among the worst human rights offenders in the world. But by any objective measure this is not the case. Even with the harshest interpretation of Israeli’s policies, which takes no account of cause and effect, and Israel’s predicament of facing existential war, there can be no comparison to the civil wars in Sudan, Algeria, or Congo."[32]
Other reasons would be the inclusion of some countries on the UNHRC that are despicable in their treatment of women, like honor killings or genital mutilation or worse, genocide.
Several weeks ago in NYC when the UN was in session, diplomats fro
From: United States
Screw israel....if you know anything about ancient world history you would know that the philistines where kicked out of their land (palestine) by the hebrews.
the hebrews all went to the land of canaan (where palestine is now) because "God told them to". wtf?
thats their claim to the land,?the promised land, promised by god?
now in recent history with the swindling that happened in the league of nations, they were given back 'their land'.. such b.s.
anyway its too late to get the jews out of there now, especially since they have so much power in the u.s.a and get that $$$$$ backing etc.
but leave palestine alone, stop expanding, these people throw rocks against the u.s armed israeli army.
what leonel is trying to do escapes me... he might be right in this move but he's probably just looking for a camera
From: United Kingdom
@ Walnut, well what is good for the "Geese is good for the Gander", I wonder if this same professor lamented the UN's role in the Palestinians losing their homeland in 1948? It's well documented that the UN is a tool for the rich and powerful nations on this planet, only 6 nation have the power of veto, and guess which is the nation that has used that veto the most, and to protect who?? So it's find for the professor to compared who's inflicting the worst abuses around the planet, but why doesn't the professor write an article on who manipulates the UN the most, could it be that it is too close to home for comfort? I don't know if you have notice, but Palestine is the only country on the globe being occupy by land, air and sea. In fact the UN tries to keep is nose out of the Palestine-Israeli situation as much as possible. It just happens that Israel has broken the most UN resolution than any other nation. While yes, abuses are happening round the globe, in the case of Darfur in Sudan
From: United Kingdom
Continual @ Walnut, are a more complicated situation, basically because in Darfur in particular, was a guerrilla conflict or civil war, 2-factions wanting control, an internal conflict as you will, as compare to the ME where one nation has been disown to make way for another nation from Europe. So is not the best comparison. Palestine is the longest entity without recognition, specially in Gaza where every Humanitarian agency has called it an open prison for millions of people, where the Israeli can enter, kill, abduct, starve, and control every aspect of every Palestinians life. So you figure it out why a professor finds the UN irrelevant on some issues, but not on others. I can find plenty of professors who will disagreed with your professor and argue that Israel gets away with murder in the UN! All you need to know is how many UN resolution have been ignore by Israel, but answer me this, has there ever been any sanctions imposed on Israel??
From: United Kingdom
Continual @ Walnut, I will take a bit further and stick my neck out to say, that the only reasons the UN still exist today, is because it does the bidding for the west, but especially for the US & Israel.
Written by: walnut, 12 Oct 2011 6:29 PM
From: Bouvet Island, Cayuga lakeside
How do you explain the UN and it's human rights commission consisting of Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Syria?Hardly a group of humanistic counties towards all.
The UN is as relevant as the EU. Totally dysfunctional.
Yo, jungle monkey, why pop in now?
The Jews belong in Israel as much as anyone. That is not the issue.
I accept the notion of a nation of Palestine.
Do you accept the notion of the Jews in Israel.
Most of the US dollars are returned to the US to buy the military supplies it needs. Who attacked Israel 30 years ago? Or do you think the Israelis or "Jews" did it?
Even if the US aid is stopped, it represents less than 3 percent of the GDP.
Accept the existence of Israel. It is not going to disappear.
From: United Kingdom
@Walnut, it seem you still want to justify Israeli brutality? Trying to find anything or anyone that will defend your cause. You see, I can find all the nutters in the world that just spout out hate, and will just carry on about their hatred for Jews, like Neo-Nazi, the KKK, Muslin extremes you name them and there out there with their twisted facts on history! But no, I get my information from mainly Jewish historians, Jewish intellectuals who basically want the best for Jewish people in general, but are not willing to lie and make up fairy tales like in the bible to justify Israeli's crime against another people. Once you acknowledge that fact, and then maybe you come take that load off your shoulders of trying to defend the indefensible no matter your creed or colour. After all, we all come from the same tribe, the human tribe and we should condemned any injustice no matter who commits it! .........Sorry for that last winded rant.
From: United Kingdom
@ Walnut, Get a grip, you're all over the shop and becoming incoherent. You go from A to P in the same sentence of your writing, is this a ploy to confuse the readers? Cause all you're doing is confusing yourself! We've discuss already that the UN is irrelevant, although we defer on the reasons why. Well the USA, the UK, China, & Russia are also part of that wonderful commission are they pure when it comes to abuse of human rights? Now you're making silly & nonsensical statements like "The Jews belong in Israel as much as anyone." Some probably do more than others, but non belong in the ME by displacing another people who have been there over a millennium, can you NOT get that thru your thick skull??? You lack basic logic, is no wonder that you fellow the narrative like a sheep. It is irrelevant whether & who I accept or not, because guess what Einstein, the Jews already live in Israel, most live in comfort as well!
From: United Kingdom
Continual @ Walnut, You see you let yourself down again and again by not being critical of the old worn out narrative that makes no kind of sense. Instead of searching for the truth you continual to parrot the same lies. Walnut, is not just the matter of the billions that is given to Israel tax free, but what it represents in the bigger picture(that you're blind to) you see Walnut, those 3.5 billions dollars or whatever it is represents, oppression, brutality, and pays for the weapons that kill innocent women & children. The USA is complicit with Israel in this crime, by helping and abetting. Those are the facts and you and no one else can distorted the truth. So wake up from the slumber you've been in, and truly start to educate yourself.
From: United Kingdom
Continual @ Walnut, But guess what, there's about a million Palestinians who were expelled in 48 and who don't have the right of return! And lets say you who is American of Jewish blood can waltz into Israel and even have dual citizenship no question ask, do you think that's right? So what you think and what I think is irrelevant, because one people have made the narrative not just in words but in deed as well. How moronic is this "Most of the US dollars are returned to the US to buy the military supplies it needs." Come on Walnut! you've written that you're educated, does this statement make any sense, please think about it!! Now this next one is just plain lazy of you not to do your homework "Who attacked Israel 30 years ago? Or do you think the Israelis or "Jews" did it?" Surly you must know by now of the debunking by the new historians, Simha Flapan, Benny Morris, Ilan Pappé and Avi Shlaim, all of these historians are Jewish and most are Zionist.
From: United Kingdom
Continual @ Walnut, But guess what, there's about a million Palestinians who were expelled in 48 and who don't have the right of return! And lets say you who is American of Jewish blood can waltz into Israel and even have dual citizenship no question ask, do you think that's right? So what you think and what I think is irrelevant, because one people have made the narrative not just in words but in deed as well. How moronic is this "Most of the US dollars are returned to the US to buy the military supplies it needs." Come on Walnut! you've written that you're educated, does this statement make any sense, please think about it!! Now this next one is just plain lazy of you not to do your homework "Who attacked Israel 30 years ago? Or do you think the Israelis or "Jews" did it?" Surly you must know by now of the debunking by the new historians, Simha Flapan, Benny Morris, Ilan Pappé and Avi Shlaim, all of these historians are Jewish and most are Zionist.
Written by: Pepe32, 13 Oct 2011 9:13 AM
From: Dominican Republic
First of all this issue should be taken to the forum where it could be discussed properly.
Leonel is a follower not a leader ,he is a spineless character who only thinks of his popularity and would sell his own mother out if the majority opinion was against her.
Now in choosing between Israel and the Islamist terror agents it is an easy choice,fortunately it is Israel that has the capacity to destroy its enemies and not the other way around because if the muslims could Israel and the Jews would not exist.
Sooner or later the world will accept the reality of islam as incompatible with peace ,one only has to note that more muslims are killed by other muslims in one year than all those ever killed by Israel in defense of their nation. If muslims really wanted peace they would have it today ,but this violent ideology started with blood,slaughter,treachery and thievery (see mohammed) and those who truly follow his example today are no better.
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Written by: Pepe32, 13 Oct 2011 9:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic
It has been foretold that many nations of the earth would turn against Israel,but those who declare such enmity do so at their own peril. Leonel as a closet admirer of the leftist gutter ideology shares the views of Castro and Chavez and as in his spineless attitudes vis a vis Haiti he cares more for "internationalism" than nationalism and as such cannot understand Israels need to protect themselves.
Leonel is letting the country be overrun by Haitians and feels the so called Palestinians should be allowed to do the same in Israel!
From: United States
@-sweetbaby would you call George a criminal or the father the country. The boston tea party what were they. Remember who write the history? The winner or th looser? Isreal did not exist as a country. Untill after second world war. The palestinian are treated like 4 world country. I know we don't say 4 world but I do there is no democracy in isreal if. You are palestinian. I know it s there fault they should not freedom
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Way to go empty suit.
What's next, deny there was a holocaust?
Leonel fly's his own flag.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15237018
It is quite possibly in DR's interest to support Palestine statehood through the UN. Many other countries support it.
http://rt.com/politics/columns/an....ioned/palestine-russia-israel-un/
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We are on the wrong side again, AS USUAL!!!!!
Abu Mazen and his huge entourage get an all expenses paid trip around the world while his people starve.
Why not just sit down with the Jews and say, "We recognize the right for Israel to exist"?
The peace process will then begin in earnest.
Lf and Abbas are both worthless leaders acting like emperors.
Except the emperor has no clothes.
Everyone has a right to exist and anyone who believe that direct negotiations will not come with severe restrictions are out of their minds. Only through the UN can this be accomplished.
From: Dominican Republic
Nice job, LF!!!
We are on the wrong side again, AS USUAL!!!!!
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I beg to differ on this one, actually THE WHOLE WORLD but Israel and the US support the palestine Bid, so we are on the RIGHT SIDE...All latin America supports the same and we as part of it SHOULD NOT stay out of this block, if we have an issue on the future is this block the one that will support us....the only thing i consider the comic president should have said is that while DR supports Palestine statehood, This HAS TO GO along with Israel SECURITY!!, i think that is the way to go, a palestine state that ENSURES Israel SECURITY.
That's right, Airgordo.
The first step to peace is to recognise each-other's right to exist!
PLO is partnered with Hamas who controls about half the country and Hamas denies Israels right to exist in any form and is sworn to the demise of Israel.
I know you think blowing up innocent women, men and children is ok and to lob thousands of rockets at civilian targets is ok but civilized people DO NOT.
Israel is a country that has the right to exist.
No Arab country will utter those words.
Do you see what the Arab Spring is bringing to the Coptics of Egypt?
The Moslem world rarely tolerates anyone who is not Moslem.
Moslems make up a significant part of the population in Israel and are better off than Moslems anywhere in the world. They want to stay citizens.
Know how many churches, Hindu shrines and synagogues in most Moslem countries? Few and the number is dwindling fast due to the extremists.
Spin, you Ever have a relative blown up by a terrorist bomb in a cafeteria?
The country of Israel, our homeland for more than three thousand years, is a place of safety and security for the Jewish people.
The world will come to an end, mark my words, if the Arab world gets their way and forces the Jews into the sea.
My question to you, MyMy, about a terrorist blowing up a relative is a relevant one.
When you answer yes like I can, we can sit down and discuss peace.
Until then, don't talk garbage lime only you know the facts.
Ever been in Israel?
You are wrong about the origins of the Jewish people.
Two thousand years ago, the Romans conquered Israel and began the diaspora.
My grandparents, while born in Europe, were only there because they were forced out of their homeland generations before.
Read a history book that is not propaganda and you will discover that the Jewish people were in Israel long before Arab bedouins.
I am not a Zionist.
First, I am American. Second, I am Jewish.
Just what are you?
The "Palestinians" originally referred to the Jews.
I do not twist history,sir you do.
The Romans forced the Hebrews from the land of Israel.
As for why I am on this site, I have lived in the DR over 25 years and you are the one on this site blabbering. You only appear when a Middle Eastern issue appears. Are you paid by the Saudis to spread lies?
Terrorising millions? Are you serious?
Your logic is just flawed.....period.
One cannot logic with those lacking perspective.
The civilized world cares little about real issues; the massacres in Darfur, Sudan, Syria, Egypt are proof.
One Israeli worth 1000 Palestinians? Do the math.
Save your breath to debate another "Zionist".
As the Jews said to the Pharoahs of Egypt three thousand years ago, Dayenu....meaning enough.
Do your history books have any mention of the Jews being in Israel before the Moslems?
Without name calling, do you feel the UN is relevant?
Can the state of Israel exist side by side with a Palestinian state?
I do not profess to be a "chosen" people because of the discrimination and genocide of the Jews.
I subscribe to peace, education and acts of charity and kindness.
Does the Arab world agree to that philosophy?
Or do you subscribe to the Zionist & neocons Narrative that all Arabs are terrorist & hate all the things you mention?
Professor Don Habibi of the University of North Carolina at Wilmington lamented the limited reports on Sudan and Darfur, in contrast to reports on Israel. He criticized the United Nations, among other organizations, for their “obsession” with Israel, to the exclusion of other human rights violators. Habibi wrote: "This obsession would make sense if Israel was among the worst human rights offenders in the world. But by any objective measure this is not the case. Even with the harshest interpretation of Israeli’s policies, which takes no account of cause and effect, and Israel’s predicament of facing existential war, there can be no comparison to the civil wars in Sudan, Algeria, or Congo."[32]
Other reasons would be the inclusion of some countries on the UNHRC that are despicable in their treatment of women, like honor killings or genital mutilation or worse, genocide.
Several weeks ago in NYC when the UN was in session, diplomats fro
the hebrews all went to the land of canaan (where palestine is now) because "God told them to". wtf?
thats their claim to the land,?the promised land, promised by god?
now in recent history with the swindling that happened in the league of nations, they were given back 'their land'.. such b.s.
anyway its too late to get the jews out of there now, especially since they have so much power in the u.s.a and get that $$$$$ backing etc.
but leave palestine alone, stop expanding, these people throw rocks against the u.s armed israeli army.
what leonel is trying to do escapes me... he might be right in this move but he's probably just looking for a camera
The UN is as relevant as the EU. Totally dysfunctional.
Yo, jungle monkey, why pop in now?
The Jews belong in Israel as much as anyone. That is not the issue.
I accept the notion of a nation of Palestine.
Do you accept the notion of the Jews in Israel.
Most of the US dollars are returned to the US to buy the military supplies it needs. Who attacked Israel 30 years ago? Or do you think the Israelis or "Jews" did it?
Even if the US aid is stopped, it represents less than 3 percent of the GDP.
Accept the existence of Israel. It is not going to disappear.
Leonel is a follower not a leader ,he is a spineless character who only thinks of his popularity and would sell his own mother out if the majority opinion was against her.
Now in choosing between Israel and the Islamist terror agents it is an easy choice,fortunately it is Israel that has the capacity to destroy its enemies and not the other way around because if the muslims could Israel and the Jews would not exist.
Sooner or later the world will accept the reality of islam as incompatible with peace ,one only has to note that more muslims are killed by other muslims in one year than all those ever killed by Israel in defense of their nation. If muslims really wanted peace they would have it today ,but this violent ideology started with blood,slaughter,treachery and thievery (see mohammed) and those who truly follow his example today are no better.
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Leonel is letting the country be overrun by Haitians and feels the so called Palestinians should be allowed to do the same in Israel!