SANTO DOMINGO. - The Dominican Government affirmed Thursday that president Leonel Fernandez will sign the Regulation to enforce Dominican Republic’s Immigration Law next week, an announcement which comes in the wake of Washington’s warning on alleged mistreatment of Haitian descendants.
When asked by a diariolibre.com reporter about the mix-up with signature, Presidency Chief of staff Cesar Pina responded angrily, blaming himself and a last minute lack of coordination for Fernandez’s scrubbed visit to the Immigration Agency to sign the Regulation Wednesday. “I didn’t have the fast communication with the Executive Branch Legal Adviser and at the moment the President had to leave for Immigration, we couldn’t contact the Legal Consultancy, because it hadn’t been previously notified and for that reason. It’s mine responsibility, and simply asked the Immigration director to accept our apology.”
But Interior and Police minister Jose Ramon Fadul contradicted Pina’s assertion, noting that the Legal Adviser is already placing final touches on the Regulation, which requires a presidential decree. He said it wasn’t signed because some articles had to be rewritten to avert contradictions with electoral aspects and not to create frictions with other countries, especially Haiti.
Hillary Clinton
As to Clinton’s advice for the country to seek a fair solution for the descendants of Haitians, Fadul said no one can tell Dominicans how to behave and their sovereignty has to be respected. “We have a President who knows full well what the international problems are. Neither she nor anyone can meddle herself in Dominican Republic’s internal affairs. We are sovereign, independent and they cannot teach us in that regard."
Written by: Atabey, 13 Oct 2011 4:25 PM
From: United States, NYC
“We have a President who knows full well what the international problems are. Neither she nor anyone can meddle herself in Dominican Republic’s internal affairs. We are sovereign, independent and they cannot teach us in that regard."
I enjoyed reading the part: "We are sovereign, independent and they [USA] cannot teach us in that regard."
Let's see if LF acts like it's so. Doubters outnumber believers.
From: Haiti
BLWe are sovereign, independent and they cannot teach us in that regard."
BLABLABLA BLA
All people know DR is managed by USA! The government of DR knows if he doesn't what uncle Sam ask, it's the end of dr!
Written by: BASTA, 13 Oct 2011 6:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
Oh crap leave us alone. After all we know better about everything.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
“We have a President who knows full well what the international problems are. Neither she nor anyone can meddle herself in Dominican Republic’s internal affairs. We are sovereign, independent and they cannot teach us in that regard."
Are we talking about the backstabbing Haitian again? come on give a f&&king brake!
We also have a president that was almost linched by a mob of Haitians a few years ago, and has allowed our country to be invaded by them, knowing what to do but looking the other way.
LF you are a punk, of course you're not Cibaeno like us; we woul've taken caare of this and Sonia Pie long time ago.
From: United States
I'm wondering.....WHO IS MANAGING HAITI?
From: Haiti
SONIA PIERRE
I AM VERY HAPPY, you have a lot of courage!
you have a lot of courage, i understand why you have haitian blood!
be silent is too late for your country!
LF have haitian blood! look at his face
Written by: temetito, 13 Oct 2011 7:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
As to Clinton’s advice for the country to seek a fair solution for the descendants of Haitians, Fadul said no one can tell Dominicans how to behave and their sovereignty has to be respected. “We have a President who knows full well what the international problems are. Neither she nor anyone can meddle herself in Dominican Republic’s internal affairs. We are sovereign, independent and they cannot teach us in that regard... HAHAHAHHAHAHA Take that u puerto ricans a%@ h@#+
Written by: Nehesy, 13 Oct 2011 11:52 PM
From: France, Paris
LF is a nigg@ anyway look at his face !
A shame this Guy is president. Balaguer the MF trujillista who was a big thief supported him along with Juan bosch who was less racist (still racist though) vs pena gomez . Now LF has created a narcotic and prostitution paradise in the WE , plus he sold the country to the banksters (huge loans , but the country has no serious incomes save tourism controlled at 99% by foreigners, or drug traffic controlled by LF himself and his gang of ladrones and mafiosos). Drug traffic can't be included into the GDP unfortunately for Ladron First...
Better to speak about illegals ....
Written by: Nehesy, 14 Oct 2011 12:00 AM
From: France, Paris
.....:
Written by: Nehesy, 14 Oct 2011 12:00 AM
From: France, Paris
Kiskeyaman
Dominicans are great save some trujillistas without cojones here in the DT. Guess what i was in a club yesterday with my lady in puerto plata. The DJ shouted on his mic "saludos a africa !!!!" for us. And i saw lots of loving or at least respect between dominicans and haitians here. Peace Yo !!!!
From: United States, Brooklyn
Shoot a few in public and the rest will leave on their own accord!
Written by: pelaut, 14 Oct 2011 8:39 AM
From: United States
"We are sovereign, independent and they [USA] cannot teach us in that regard."
Good! That means DR and other Latinos will stop telling the US what to do about their immigratiion problem!
Bout time.
From: Haiti, NJ
I love dark skinned (morena) Dominican women but my number pick would be TRINIDADIAN women, gosh they're so pretty n sexy..... N btw I haven't met a quiet soft spoken Dominican they're all loudmouths (no offense) but I always wonder why? I mean gosh I'm right next to you.....
Nan mòd Boukman HAITI AP CHANJE
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
minister Jose Ramon Fadul said all this " We are sovereign, independent " bullcrap while his pants were knee high.
ojo pelao con lo que esta pasando en la junta central electoral, pongan atencion a eso, que en un solo dvd caben mas de 3 millones de nombres con sus respectivos datos biometricos.
solo toma un solo vende patria o un grupito pa copy and paste to esos nombres al padron de la junta y de un dia pa otro... ti tuaaaaa 2.5 nuevos ciudadanos dominicanos, ojo pelao
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
haitiansansation
if you, in any way, shape or form manage to include " gosh " twice in a sentence, women of any nationality are NOT what you really love.
From: Haiti, NJ
Just wanted to use inoffensive words instead of FUKC* I say GOSH but then again maybe you're right, the only way to find out is for you to bring a very hot Dominican female n c if I run :-)
From: United States
@carlos franco I bet you live in east new york / brownsville cause there's a lot dumb ass that live there. I have never call anyone a n....r but you are one. Go look for the definition . You are a dumb ass and I am disrepecting the dumb ass for calling you that
Written by: Yucahu, 14 Oct 2011 11:51 AM
From: United States, Miami
Dont worry Sonia Pie, a lot of ppl are gunning for that ugly ho'. She has her time in the spotlight right now. However the powers that be will be, will tire of her ugly, neurotic, hysterical self. They will move on and focus on some other tragedy case and then she better watch out. She will be weak and she will end up as what she really is. A joke, a clown, an abandoned pet who isn't cute anymore. Una hedionda.
Plus it took us awhile the first time to kick you nasty bastards out the first time. However we will do it again, remember history always repeats itself. It was the same thing the first time too, the international community just let the western side just gobble up the eastern side.
This time the international community is pushing for the same thing to happen again. The pendelum is always swinging. I know I won't have to wait long for these Dominico-Haitiano's to just be called Haitiano's. It's not too late, it will never be too late.
From: United States
Just want to make a few points on the rambling topics that this article has produced.
1. DR IS an independant and sovereign country and has been so since 1820. As our national anthem states: " If we were to be enslaved by the whims, desires and direct attacks of foreign powers and nationals for 1000 yrs., for another 1000 shall we be free of their influence, domination and their boots on our soil."
The North Americans and the international community of nations can advise and suggest how we handle our internal affairs and immigration policies, but they cannot demand squat. The mere fact that many pregnant Haitian women illegally cross the border to give birth in Dominican hospitals (to a whopping 60% of all births) is reason enough to emphasize that Dominican citizenship is through blood and not through presence in the country. At present trends Dominicans will be a minority in our own country within a generation and a half.
From: United States
2. The efforts of Sonia Pierre though distasteful to many Dominicans must be seen for what they are; an effort by a courageous woman to bring her people born and raised on this side of this beautiful island, some basic civil rights, not conspiratory towards Dominican hegonomy on the eastern and spanish speaking side of the island.
These young people (first and second generation Haiiano-Dominic ) can't even emmigrate out of the country to find a better life for themsevles and family. As the saying goes sh•t or get off. Either we start deportation proceedings for these people raised here or allow them some sort of internastionally accepted identification documents. There is even a young man from this generation with major league baseball potential and he wasn't able to leave the country. That's ridiculous.
From: United States
If we are to be accepting of these grown progeny of longtime immigrants, we must start a proceess of drastically curtailing further illegal immigration. Then start deportation on the more recent illegal entrants. Contionue on with last in first out. Again illegal aliens only. There should be a orgfanized systematic process must be implemented. This wild perro por su casa attitude must be stopped.
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
Camaron que se Duerme se lo lleva la corriente.
The current Haitian invasion to DR is a cancer to the Dominican society. If we do not take preventive measures, it will be too late for us for it will be all over us. We must eradicate it as soon as possible for it is taking serious ground.
From: United States, words of wisdom from the nutcracker
A serious country that cares for is people and the land , would of build that wall a long time . The dominican republic suffers from a bleeding heart symdrome
From: United States
@poupou wtf are you talking about you are in miami. When was the last time you were in dr. What have you done for dr. @ vegan I heard about that player he didn't know he was illegal and got drafted by a mlb . @ yucabu if history repeat itself would that mean we kick your ass then we help you gain your independence
Written by: Yucahu, 16 Oct 2011 2:43 PM
From: United States, Miami
If you actually knew how to read, you would see how many times we served you Haitians nice big servings of ass whoopin kid. And guess what? It tasted good didn't it? Cuz you morons came back again and again for some more. Imbecile.
From: United States
@yucaca you guys are good @ hitting or backstabing isn't that sign of. A coward. Really army attacking civillian. Wow trujillo big war hero when. Haiti was about to invade beg the us for help and had to pay. Pena gomez father mother were haitians truij what ever his name was a haitian descendents but like most dominican was a self hated black
From: United States
thehaitian and kiskeyaman are upset at the news / see how bitter and angry they are / U TOO ARE THE BIGGEST LOSERS EVER - GO TO A HAITIAN FORUM AND POST THERE - DO U GUYS EVEN NOTICE HOW STUPID YOU TWO LOOK POSTING ON THIS FORUM / crying like little babies everytime DR or Dominicans do something for our contry / IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH YOU CRITIZE DR - IT'S 100 TIMES WORST IN HAITI AND THAT'S WHY YOU TWO EXPRESS YOUR ANGER HERE - THEHAITIAN,KISKEYAMAN,DANNY00 - YALL NEED TO GET A LIFE !!
From: United States
@ zona apache I mean choose an indian. Name that. Lived in dr. You see that is why we(haitian and kiske) is to teach idiot like you. You see not all dominican are stupid but there is a few like you we have to watch them. So by the way. How did you get to the us was it legal?
From: United States
@ the Haitian. Where do you get the feeling that trujillo was a hero? He killed as many Dominican civilians as he did Haitian civilians. He was a despot just like papa doc. As far as killing civilians however your ancestors have the patent on cowardly attacks on an unarmed population. The bad feelings many Dominicans have against Haitians is a consequence of these cowardly attacks in the past. Members of my family, my ancestors lead armed Dominicans against these invasions and exacted just retribution against your ill led soldiers. My ancestors fought and led armies in the 1844 war that sent your ancestors packing and in the wars of 1848, 1852 and 1856 that repulsed your attempts to invade our lands. Your people have come unarmed this time and we have allowed their illegal immigration due to the hardships your people have faced in recent years, but know that your people's behavior in our land is being observed. Behave as good guests and the spirit of brotherhood will remain
From: United States
If we are going to comment on this forum can we please stick to the subject at hand and refrain from the insults and posturing which does nothing but create and maintain bad feelings. No one other than Kiskeyaman and myself has commented on the contents of the article.
I restate my point on this: we are waisting energy and resources going after kids that were born and raised in DR, have never set foot in Haiti and probably don't speak. Patois.
We need to devote our attention to stop the bleeding from Haiti to DR. Leave these poor and innocent kids alone to get an education or further emmigrate to other countries for better opportunities.. Does this make sense to anyone?
Every day we get more illegals coming in. Concentrate on stopping this flow then deprt the recent arrivals before you start going after 10-20 yuear immigrants.
From: United States
@the_haitian : When did you kick our asses and when did you "help us regain" our independence?
From: United States
@ tumbagobierno;
I think the Hatian is referring to the takeover by Boyer in 1821 when the Haitians invaded with an army the size of our population in Santo Domingo. They took over without resistance as the population was unarmed and the Spaniards had taken all their weapons the year before. Hardly what one can call an asskicking. More like taking advantage of our defenseless situation.
The Haitians assertion that they helped our independance does hold some truth. At the time of our independance war there was coincidently a revolution in Haiti itself. The Haitian president had to fight on two fronts. Also during our second war of independance against Spain we were aided by the Haitians with arms and monies. We must give them credit for their help. Too bad that spirit of mutual aid in the face of foreign invasions wasn't maintained when the Gringos invaded and occupied Haiti in 1904 and then turned to us in 1916. The island was "divisable" and easily conquered by the Gring
From: United States
@ the-haitian
im a Dominican born US citizen that visits DR twice a year angry man, i've been living in the states for the last 20 years, so don't come at me with that stupid ass question if im legal - don't change the subject - thats all you do - thats why i don't waste my time with haytians like you on this website - what can you or kisyeman teach me? how to be a hater? you know im right about you two being haters / LOL / i come at you with TRUTH angryman, you just use little kids tactics by changing the subject and flipping it to something that is not - im the wrong one to argue with - your retarded ass comments don't do nothing to me but just proves me right - this is the first and last comment directed at you.
From: United States
@zone apache thank you and stop lying about you visisting dr twice a year.@ venga you allso have have to explain why did boyer invade dr. boyer did not invade dr just to gain power. but he invade dr to protect haiti. the spaniard were trying to get back and take control of your land. if that happen then in turn they would invade haiti
From: United States
@the haitian
Boyer invaded to add the eastern territory's resources to Haiti so he could pay off the indemnity france demanded of Haiti so as not to invade. At the time Spain was busy trying to keep its S. American territories. They were no threat to the island. Regardless the issue is we can as other countries accept a certain percentage of your population to immigrate legally to DR. We can start by accepting these Haitian-Dominicans and providing them with legal status thru an amnesty program like the US applied. But we cannot accept the large pecentage of your population that has come over the last few years. Approximately 20% of your people are in Dominican territory. That is too much for large countries like US, france or Great Britain., much less a small country like ours. Look how they are turning our towns into slums. We can offer sanctuary but not at the risk of losing our identity and quality of life. You must fix your country and take your people back.
From: United States
@ venga that part I will agree with you. I f you are illegal in dr or anny other. They should and have the tight to deport you. My problem is second generation and third generation who does not know there family and where they lived.
From: Dominican Republic
@the_haitian,
You said...
"They should and have the tight to deport you. My problem is second generation and third generation who does not know there family and where they lived."
The 2nd and 3rd generation issue is somehow problematic. How would you prove that you are 2nd or 3rd generation? On who will the burden of proof will reside? The goverment? the individual? How many fit this category?
This last question is basically the "crux of the matter". My understanding is that the total number of cases, of 2nd and 3rd generation allegedly stateless Dominicans of Haitian descent, collected by the "MUDHA" organization, lead by Sonia Pierre, is no more than two thousand (2,000). However, the "Junta Central Electoral" has only received 120, which according to that office, have already been processed. If the numbers are relatively low, some exception could be made, on a case by case basis. Which incidentally has been the case. But anything in the hundreds of thousands would not hap
From: Dominican Republic
@the_haitian,
continue...
..would not happen.
From: United States
@ arcangel you know there is way of testing and checking. Who is second generation and 3 generation. I don't know how so I am not even going to act like I do.I am sure if we (haitian, dominican and the international) can come up with a solution. You know why the us is so powerful? One of the reason it assimulate all the different culture and the different culture tried to work to gether to make things better for. Our family and the us. Simple example we did not have thanksgiving in haiti or dr. Yet we celebrate it. The only common dish. That all. The cultures has is a turkey on there table
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I enjoyed reading the part: "We are sovereign, independent and they [USA] cannot teach us in that regard."
Let's see if LF acts like it's so. Doubters outnumber believers.
BLABLABLA BLA
All people know DR is managed by USA! The government of DR knows if he doesn't what uncle Sam ask, it's the end of dr!
Are we talking about the backstabbing Haitian again? come on give a f&&king brake!
We also have a president that was almost linched by a mob of Haitians a few years ago, and has allowed our country to be invaded by them, knowing what to do but looking the other way.
LF you are a punk, of course you're not Cibaeno like us; we woul've taken caare of this and Sonia Pie long time ago.
I AM VERY HAPPY, you have a lot of courage!
you have a lot of courage, i understand why you have haitian blood!
be silent is too late for your country!
LF have haitian blood! look at his face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=jvjoYeW4KtM
A shame this Guy is president. Balaguer the MF trujillista who was a big thief supported him along with Juan bosch who was less racist (still racist though) vs pena gomez . Now LF has created a narcotic and prostitution paradise in the WE , plus he sold the country to the banksters (huge loans , but the country has no serious incomes save tourism controlled at 99% by foreigners, or drug traffic controlled by LF himself and his gang of ladrones and mafiosos). Drug traffic can't be included into the GDP unfortunately for Ladron First...
Better to speak about illegals ....
Dominicans are great save some trujillistas without cojones here in the DT. Guess what i was in a club yesterday with my lady in puerto plata. The DJ shouted on his mic "saludos a africa !!!!" for us. And i saw lots of loving or at least respect between dominicans and haitians here. Peace Yo !!!!
Shoot a few in public and the rest will leave on their own accord!
Good! That means DR and other Latinos will stop telling the US what to do about their immigratiion problem!
Bout time.
Nan mòd Boukman HAITI AP CHANJE
ojo pelao con lo que esta pasando en la junta central electoral, pongan atencion a eso, que en un solo dvd caben mas de 3 millones de nombres con sus respectivos datos biometricos.
solo toma un solo vende patria o un grupito pa copy and paste to esos nombres al padron de la junta y de un dia pa otro... ti tuaaaaa 2.5 nuevos ciudadanos dominicanos, ojo pelao
if you, in any way, shape or form manage to include " gosh " twice in a sentence, women of any nationality are NOT what you really love.
Plus it took us awhile the first time to kick you nasty bastards out the first time. However we will do it again, remember history always repeats itself. It was the same thing the first time too, the international community just let the western side just gobble up the eastern side.
This time the international community is pushing for the same thing to happen again. The pendelum is always swinging. I know I won't have to wait long for these Dominico-Haitiano's to just be called Haitiano's. It's not too late, it will never be too late.
1. DR IS an independant and sovereign country and has been so since 1820. As our national anthem states: " If we were to be enslaved by the whims, desires and direct attacks of foreign powers and nationals for 1000 yrs., for another 1000 shall we be free of their influence, domination and their boots on our soil."
The North Americans and the international community of nations can advise and suggest how we handle our internal affairs and immigration policies, but they cannot demand squat. The mere fact that many pregnant Haitian women illegally cross the border to give birth in Dominican hospitals (to a whopping 60% of all births) is reason enough to emphasize that Dominican citizenship is through blood and not through presence in the country. At present trends Dominicans will be a minority in our own country within a generation and a half.
These young people (first and second generation Haiiano-Dominic ) can't even emmigrate out of the country to find a better life for themsevles and family. As the saying goes sh•t or get off. Either we start deportation proceedings for these people raised here or allow them some sort of internastionally accepted identification documents. There is even a young man from this generation with major league baseball potential and he wasn't able to leave the country. That's ridiculous.
The current Haitian invasion to DR is a cancer to the Dominican society. If we do not take preventive measures, it will be too late for us for it will be all over us. We must eradicate it as soon as possible for it is taking serious ground.
I restate my point on this: we are waisting energy and resources going after kids that were born and raised in DR, have never set foot in Haiti and probably don't speak. Patois.
We need to devote our attention to stop the bleeding from Haiti to DR. Leave these poor and innocent kids alone to get an education or further emmigrate to other countries for better opportunities.. Does this make sense to anyone?
Every day we get more illegals coming in. Concentrate on stopping this flow then deprt the recent arrivals before you start going after 10-20 yuear immigrants.
I think the Hatian is referring to the takeover by Boyer in 1821 when the Haitians invaded with an army the size of our population in Santo Domingo. They took over without resistance as the population was unarmed and the Spaniards had taken all their weapons the year before. Hardly what one can call an asskicking. More like taking advantage of our defenseless situation.
The Haitians assertion that they helped our independance does hold some truth. At the time of our independance war there was coincidently a revolution in Haiti itself. The Haitian president had to fight on two fronts. Also during our second war of independance against Spain we were aided by the Haitians with arms and monies. We must give them credit for their help. Too bad that spirit of mutual aid in the face of foreign invasions wasn't maintained when the Gringos invaded and occupied Haiti in 1904 and then turned to us in 1916. The island was "divisable" and easily conquered by the Gring
im a Dominican born US citizen that visits DR twice a year angry man, i've been living in the states for the last 20 years, so don't come at me with that stupid ass question if im legal - don't change the subject - thats all you do - thats why i don't waste my time with haytians like you on this website - what can you or kisyeman teach me? how to be a hater? you know im right about you two being haters / LOL / i come at you with TRUTH angryman, you just use little kids tactics by changing the subject and flipping it to something that is not - im the wrong one to argue with - your retarded ass comments don't do nothing to me but just proves me right - this is the first and last comment directed at you.
Boyer invaded to add the eastern territory's resources to Haiti so he could pay off the indemnity france demanded of Haiti so as not to invade. At the time Spain was busy trying to keep its S. American territories. They were no threat to the island. Regardless the issue is we can as other countries accept a certain percentage of your population to immigrate legally to DR. We can start by accepting these Haitian-Dominicans and providing them with legal status thru an amnesty program like the US applied. But we cannot accept the large pecentage of your population that has come over the last few years. Approximately 20% of your people are in Dominican territory. That is too much for large countries like US, france or Great Britain., much less a small country like ours. Look how they are turning our towns into slums. We can offer sanctuary but not at the risk of losing our identity and quality of life. You must fix your country and take your people back.
You said...
"They should and have the tight to deport you. My problem is second generation and third generation who does not know there family and where they lived."
The 2nd and 3rd generation issue is somehow problematic. How would you prove that you are 2nd or 3rd generation? On who will the burden of proof will reside? The goverment? the individual? How many fit this category?
This last question is basically the "crux of the matter". My understanding is that the total number of cases, of 2nd and 3rd generation allegedly stateless Dominicans of Haitian descent, collected by the "MUDHA" organization, lead by Sonia Pierre, is no more than two thousand (2,000). However, the "Junta Central Electoral" has only received 120, which according to that office, have already been processed. If the numbers are relatively low, some exception could be made, on a case by case basis. Which incidentally has been the case. But anything in the hundreds of thousands would not hap
continue...
..would not happen.