Written by: riosm, 25 Oct 2011 8:34 AM
From: United States
I bet Silly Hillary is behind this.....
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Two wongs can't make a white.
Condoning and tolerance won't make an illegal legal.
From: United States
Dominicans don't like dominicans? Lol this is funny!
Written by: Atabey, 25 Oct 2011 10:01 AM
From: United States, NYC
If the investigation into alleged illegal document forgery and manipulation of birth dates also yields evidence of other documentation of forgery and official abuse, why in heaven's name would one say that prosecution and illegality is only for the first set of abuse and not both?
Some people don't want to admit the obvious: for many generations, and recently much so, Haiti has been DUMPING its poverty across the border into DR. That is a fact.
There are many illegal documents floating around with false Dominican Cedulas being among the most prized illegal documents for purchase. If the DR has recently stepped up its oversight and begun addressing this deficient system, she should not have to forced by "political extortion" to yield.
The world has a responsibility to help out Haiti. DR is not the solution to Haiti.
Written by: generoso, 25 Oct 2011 10:09 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Pro-Haitian Afro-Centric groups, the Clinton's, and some Dominican traitors and labor mercenaries, want to bully the DR into giving the DR nationality to illegal Haitians.
They threaten, take the DR to court, spin factoids to the media, and do anything to discredit the DR internationally.
This is how the Haitians pay the Dominicans for their charity and helping hand.
They want the Dominican government to go against DR constitutional law, international law and even Haitian law, that says that Haitians born in other lands, are Haitian.
We must not be bullied by these continuous efforts to discredit us, and stand firm against the Afro-Centric and pro-Haitian groups, that made a barren land of their country, and now want to trespass and devour our dear DR.
The DR is not the solution to Haiti's problems, and will never be.
Written by: Grosero, 25 Oct 2011 10:44 AM
From: United States
i see the hate daily in the port of hanni. the truth is the truth
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
@Generoso - great analysis do you mind share with us low grade morons on this board whats the world interest in such a conspiracy against poor DR.
Written by: Atabey, 25 Oct 2011 11:01 AM
From: United States, NYC
Pat,
The problem stems from the disorder and lack of opportunities in Haiti. These drive hundreds of thousands of Haitians to seek their future across the border. DR is not a first world nation-state by any means, but is much better off than Haiti, and thus the Poverty Dumping into DR.
The US and Europe would like to Manage this situation so as to prevent a) a massive outflow towards the southern US-Florida LOL!, and Europe wants to wash its hands, France!, for its creation. Haiti was a European creation after all and those Africans didn't get to the Caribbean of their own volition.
As I've stated before, the World-namely the Europeans and the US-should devise a plan where Haitians are allowed to immigrate to 24 or so countries. Every country gets a few thousand families per year with the US and Europe picking up more given their rich club status. Some African nations could also be encouraged to take in many more.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
From: Puerto Rico
Atabey:
Your argument on the "dumping" of Haitians on the DR by the Haitian Government is a disingenous one; The DR has been "dumping" it's citizenry on Puerto Rico and the United States for the same amount of time...
On the other hand, The DR has every right to uphold the legal environment regarding the international laws governing immigration and to rectify any misinterpretations of the past. The Haitian constitution clearly states that Haitians and those who are born elsewhere from any Haitian parent are Haitian citizens and may not apply for foreign citizenry. This is the argument followed by the DR state and a correct one at that.
Three cheers for the proper interpretation of the international covenants!
Written by: Nehesy, 25 Oct 2011 11:14 AM
From: France, Paris
"Haiti was a European creation after all and those Africans didn't get to the Caribbean of their own volition"
Like the african ancestors of the Dominicans ==> Your first ethnic heritage. When you say "Those Africans" they also represent the majority of Dominicans forefathers.
Every time I travel to the DR and I come back to this forum, you guys make me laugh cause you're so blind (or racist) that you wish that you were something else than African descendant.
DR is in majority a Mulatto and Black country so the majority of your ancestors were africans period !
You have 100 % the right to tackle the illegal issue, cause Dominicans are poors and many don't eat 3 times a day. Now the racial excuse (those africans) has no sense. Dominicans speak spanish but sorry you're not spanish but only african descendants (sometimes mixed) who speak spanish, when Haitian are africans descendants (less mixed) who speak Kreyol (not an african language) and French.
Written by: Atabey, 25 Oct 2011 11:18 AM
From: United States, NYC
"Your argument on the "dumping" of Haitians on the DR by the Haitian Government is a disingenous one; The DR has been "dumping" it's citizenry on Puerto Rico and the United States for the same amount of time..." Written by: Jeanarenas, From: Puerto Rico
Au Contraire Jeanarenas. Perhaps you should read a bit more history. Betances, El Antillano, and Marti, and Hostos will offer you some valuable historical understanding on the matter. I ask you consider a timely historical read before dwelling on these matters.
Both Puerto Rico and the USA are part of the first world club. LOL
Puerto Rico's lowly poverty stricken status was eliminated by a vast out migration during the previous century and her economy has had tens of billions of dollars poured into it to sustain her people. So your point is mute, to say the least.
Written by: Nehesy, 25 Oct 2011 11:22 AM
From: France, Paris
Cont 1
Even Cuba is more African than Haiti you know why ? Cubans have kept their original african language (Youruba) which they perform during their religious ceremonies or afrocuban shows, when Haitian forgot the language of their forefathers. Kreyol is very similar to French and is spoken in ALL the French ex-slaves colonies by the former slaves descendants : Guadeloupe, Martinique, Guyane, Ile Maurice, Ile de la réunion. An Haitian can speak creole with a guy from Mauritius (indian ocean) and they would understand each other.
- Close the border and clean up your corrupt guards at the border
- Accept the jobs that Haitians have in your country if you can ( some speak several languages : french, english, german and useful to the tourist industry , others have very tough jobs that Dominicans don't want etc)
- Give residency to those who have a job, deport properly the others (criminals, beggars, prostitutes) and stop the hate
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
I don't know why evey time this subject comes up, the Haitians on this forum use the skin color as an excuse to make an argument. We already know DR is 70% mulatto and 11% black, but what we are really talking about here is DR citizenship to illegals. Our Constitution clearly states that:
the children of season workers, diplomats, and people in transit born in DR are not Dominican, so this is really a cheap shot trying to use the COLOR CARD; by No mean we are a white nation, but we take pride on who we are just as the Haitian do.
Our Constitution states that you are Dominican by blood(jus sanguinis) and that's it, but some of you pretend that we give citizenship to more than a million Haitian, and I don't think that's going to happen.
From: Puerto Rico
Atabey:
Your denounsal of "reading more history" comes out of sheer ignorance form your part as you do not know who I am nor have an inkling of my knowledge base.
Being fully aware of past migrational flows in the Caribbean et als. It would behoove your and those who think like you not to dwell on the past and deal with the present. Maybe you defend the facts from a convenience store attitude? Bad if the Haitians do the dumping, good if the DR does it to us?
Unless you are a PLD paid monger/politico wannabe, I reccomend that you recognize that all your governments have conveniently turned their gaze the other way concerning illegal immigration stemming from your country. It is a big faux pas and does not look well from an international standpoint.
Let sleeping dogs lie...
Written by: Atabey, 25 Oct 2011 11:45 AM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: Nehesy, 25 Oct 2011 11:22 AM
From: France, Paris
Cont 1
Even Cuba is more African than Haiti you know why ? Cubans have kept their original african language (Youruba) which they perform during their religious ceremonies or afrocuban shows, when Haitian forgot the language of their forefathers. Kreyol is very similar to French and is spoken in ALL the French ex-slaves colonies by the former slaves descendants : Guadeloupe, Martinique, Guyane, Ile Maurice, Ile de la réunion. An Haitian can speak creole with a guy from Mauritius (indian ocean) and they would understand each other."
And yet CUBA kicked out more than 38,000 Haitians in the previous century LOL!
Some of you guys need to read your history more carefully!
This is not a racial matter in its essence, but a National Identity one. Just as Cuba or Puerto Rico or the USA or any other nation has the right to defend its identity and who gets to become a citizen, so too DR has that sovereignty of action.
Written by: Nehesy, 25 Oct 2011 11:47 AM
From: France, Paris
I'm 100 % NOT Haitian.
I remember a jack@ss calling Haiti "Planet of the Apes" in a recent topic. Is it a color/phenotype issue ? Do you have any idea who was this racist moron ?
I said deport all the illegals I would do the same in my own country but don't use pejorative words to define Haitians , you're not more or less humans than these guys.
Written by: Atabey, 25 Oct 2011 11:54 AM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: Jeanarenas,
Atabey:
Your denounsal of "reading more history" comes out of sheer ignorance form your part as you do not know who I am nor have an inkling of my knowledge base."
Perhaps if you could write clearly we could understand what you'll trying to state.
"denounsal" ??? "form"
What I do know from your writing is that you lack historical reference. Perhaps you are part of that small Haitian group that has made PR your home base? But I've checked out your previous posts and you always come out to attack DR. Never the Haitian Government and her elite! Why? You are among those who only wish to dump the discombobulation of the Haitian State and Nation unto other nations and states. The problems are of Haitian and Euro-USA making-not the DR! The DR didn't create the Haitian state; it didn't import massive numbers of Africans into Hispaniola; DR didn't deny Haiti trading rights in the 1800's, nor did the DR force Haiti to purchase her freedom!
Written by: Nehesy, 25 Oct 2011 11:54 AM
From: France, Paris
Damn sometimes it seems that I speak with Donkeys so If say Hiltler was a crazy SOB I'm jew, That Guillaume le Conquérant was a Norman Bast@rd so I'm english, you can speak about the DR and Haitian without being linked ( a national) to any of these countries.
If Cuba kicked out 300000 Haitians and they were illegals where is the problem ???
From: Puerto Rico
Dont Be Silent:
I beg to differ on your point that the DR is a white nation. If anything, it is a mulatto one.
It is amusing to see how men and women from the DR tend to hide their roots. let me explain -
Men usually hide the coarse nature of their hair under baseball caps or by cutting the same really short (talk about bad haircuts)
Women spend countless monies (origin unknown) in hair relaxing treatments, fake weaves (from India or China) and others like Keratin
Seldom are you able to speak to someone from the DR and have them be frank about their being black or at least mixed race. Most will say that they are Indian (yeah right)
The point here is that apparently, the Spanish legacy of rampant corruption, oppression towards blacks and antillean born spanish descendants has left the Dr citizenry witha potpourri of low self esteem which is evidenced by the few examples exposed above and the need to wave flags showing from whence they are from (like the Puerto Ricans
Written by: Atabey, 25 Oct 2011 12:13 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: Nehesy, 25 Oct 2011 11:54 AM
From: France, Paris
Damn sometimes it seems that I speak with Donkeys so If say Hiltler was a crazy SOB I'm jew, That Guillaume le Conquérant was a Norman Bast@rd so I'm english, you can speak about the DR and Haitian without being linked ( a national) to any of these countries.
If Cuba kicked out 300000 Haitians and they were illegals where is the problem ??? "
Le Problème you ask is that some of those kicked out were born in Cuba!!! Many had resided in the island for many years! Go and do some reading, you and Jeanarenas should take this a bit more seriously before posting. LOL
Written by: danny00, 25 Oct 2011 12:15 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
this is how the haitians pay the dominicans for their charity and helping hand.
not aking sides but please: charity and helping hands"?
dont make me laugh its not a funny matter this haitians thing is it?
we dominicans cant help each other we help the haitians? s*** most dominicans are treated as slaves by thier own people in the governmnet.
u know when the rico dominicans run down some poor sould crossing the street and leave them for dead laying in the street as one dog?
only the tip of the icebreg.. {any haitians been lynched latley?} by the helping hands?
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
"by any mean we are a white nation"
Where did I say we are? Do you know how to read?
Written by: riosm, 25 Oct 2011 12:18 PM
From: United States
Jeanarenas,
I'll add.....
Go tell it to Obama, Al Sharptin, James Brown, Michael Jackson, San Cook and millions of others in the U.S.
In my part of the U.S Puerto Ricans do the same, in fact many PR will tell you up-front their Black...around black people....and proudly say there Rican to American Latino's.
Funny when the SH%$ hit's the racial issue PR's always run to the American Latino's side when it best suits them that is.
Many PR's in the south/west coast of the U.S flaunt it that the PR is a U.S territory crap especially the Mexican American's.
Ever American Latino group in the west coast aren't to kind to PR's for standing on the fence of convenience.
Take my half brother
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Written by: telemeco, 25 Oct 2011 12:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
Can we just, build a wall close the border,,,and let see what happen to haiti, could they make it without DR assistant.
if that happen, DR wage will go up for Dominican, until them, Dominican business man will keep bringing Haitian to our soil and they descendant will say Yo soy Dominicane y no me monto en la camiona............Please
Written by: ajmx58, 25 Oct 2011 12:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic
This is the never ending story. This is not a matter o skin colors, but a matter of the history of two countries, language, religion, ignorance and cultural roots.
In our schools we teach spanish, english and french, why don't they teach spanish in haitian schools?. Our religious believes are mostly catholic and evangelical, we don't have so much "santeria" as in cuba, or vodoo. We have the right to choose between our spanish roots and our african roots.
Our history is a bloody one, how can you love a neigborh country in which you can not invest if you are not haitian, one that in their constitution reads "the island is one and indivisible", implying that the other side is theirs too. We can not even talk to them, we were here first with our poor spanish language, without the billions of the USA behind us we have grown, and we are the ones who have to change to fix it?.
Please do a little research before. Thanks
By the way even in the USA a yankee is still a yankee in the south.
Written by: Atabey, 25 Oct 2011 12:33 PM
From: United States, NYC
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....valier-ever-face-justice-in-HaitiUndesirable aliens: race, ethnicity, and nationalism in the comparison of Haitian and British West Indian immigrant workers in Cuba, 1912-1939.
Author: McLeod, Marc C.
Publication: Journal of Social History
Date: Mar 22, 1998
In late March 1937, Cuban soldiers descended upon the sugar central Ermita in eastern Cuba and rounded up a "numerous contingent" of Haitian cane cutters who had been working in Cuba for years, including the "elderly" couple Elisa Dis and Enrique Francis. The soldiers "intimidated" the many haitianos who were "unwilling to go," transported all of them to a concentration camp in Santiago, and shipped them back to Haiti.(1) Elisa Dis and Enrique Francis thus found themselves in the midst of a massive deportation effort marked by "injustices" and "extortions" which had begun one month earlier.(2)
Written by: Atabey, 25 Oct 2011 1:03 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: PatDiamond,
@Atabey- you might want to start getting your news about Haiti from other sources than This so call newspaper DT. When was the last time time there was a mass exodus from Haiti towards the florida straights.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/n....tinos_checked_white_on_forms.html Pat,
The strategic interests of the US IS TO PREVENT that possibility! That's what I'm stating as one of the foremost reasons for the US interests in Haiti. Thus DR is slated to facilitate US concerns and interest by serving as a buffer state to absorb the problems while the underlining issues that have created the massive mess in Haiti is sorted out, IF EVER. The US offers inducements and certain incentives to DR to buy time for the issues to get solved, if ever, in Haiti.
But my point about Poverty Dumping stands. It has been part of Haitian unofficial policy dating back many generations. Facts supported by the historical records not made up theories.
Written by: Yucahu, 25 Oct 2011 1:09 PM
From: United States, Miami
PLANET OF THE APES WAS A MILLION TIMES BETTER THAN HAITI WILL EVER BE. Them Apes had there sh!t together. These retarded Haitians can't even get there stupid prime minister in without taking almost a year.
Haiti needs a Dr. Zaius. We need another TRujillo to shut up and shut down all these idiots and morons from the all over who keep butting in a telling us what to do. DEPORT DEPORT DEPORT and we'll give all them jobs to Dominicans who do wanna do em but aren't getting hired because a HAITIAN is already doing for cheles. Nehesy thank you for spending your money here and keep contributing your input is welcome. But if all your cousins and aunts and uncles from Senegal started arriving here in mass and just talking your Wolof. Id tell you to GTF outta here too.
So yeah Haiti, watch the movie planet of the Apes, you might learn something you ungrateful bastards.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
@Dont be silent- Where did I say we are? do you know how to read?
By any mean we are a white nation
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care to explain?
Written by: USADR, 25 Oct 2011 1:39 PM
From: United States
As is the norm on DT.COM with these types of topics, the usual suspects (Haitianos and their pseudo & crypto cohorts), as well as the race obsessed AfroLunatic foriegners, try their best (key word is try) to distort the subject matter at hand with their usual pathetically transparent race card tactics.
Please be advised that the DR is not the US, nor is it Europe and those types of cheap 'shame' type tactics are non-applicable and will not work.
Try to control your inferiority complexes and the sick obsession of trying to somehow connect with us, wether with the usual historical fiction or by clinging on to our African ancestral component. You can start by fixing all the convenient lies taught (or omitted) in Haitian history books.
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
Atabey mi hermano
deja de estar educando a estos afro-lambones.
Written by: ajmx58, 25 Oct 2011 3:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
All of the sudden there is silence, i love to see all these pro-haitians-africans bloggers, how they run when you put them in front of their own truth.
The D.R. is a country as any other where the people have the right to choose how and what they want to be. France by the way is not a roll model to follow.. wait wasn't Haiti the richest of the french colonies once. The biggest forest of my island were in the west side which is now more than 90% deforested, and it was not us.
Talking about the African roots, look at Africa killing each other (remember Rwanda), because of the western corrupt customs that European countries brought there with exploitation levels that are still unaccounted for. Though i accept we have always had corrupt governments, (by the way the haitian government has always been more corrupt), look a their level of AIDS, ETC, ETC..
Is there any good to be seen? I am mulato, indio canelo, black, etc but...
WHY WOULD I WANT TO FOLLOW THESE AFRICAN ROOTS???
From: United States
Nice Banter. I hope you all believe in the same God. FYI the Dominican Republic is a Sancocho. A stew of race mixing that has been in effect for centuries. So be who you want to be. If you go to Spain they will tell you that you are not Spanish. If you go to France, they will tell you that you are not french. So be who you want to be. Somebody is laughing all the way to the bank while people are arguing about race. Like I said a Sancocho. Taste it. Enjoy it. Savor it. But don't forget how it's made. Mother Afrrica. Mother Espana, Mother Francia, Tainos, Quisqueyanos, Hatuey. Suerte.
Written by: ajmx58, 25 Oct 2011 4:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Circibana, a better description is impossible, the problem for a lot of this either black or white people is that the flavor of the sancocho+rice+avocado is too sophisticated. These island have been a melting pot for a lot of different races and cultures that at the end should be called caribbean instead of african.
I feel sorry any time they come back with the racism of the Dominican, by the way did you know that in Haiti there were 32 different degrees of skin colors?.......And we are the racists lololol
From: United States
This will all be resolved only when we say it is enough. You don't like it go to the streets and portest, going on right now in in the northen provinces.. Go out and peak your mind. let the authorities hear your demands. The time of complaining is over, let's get moving and demand all illegals be deported to their country. If you know any one who owns or works in the transportation industry in DR tell them not to offer thier services to persons residing illegaly in the country. and if you own a building house or factory do not hire or rent to illegals. There are many haitians that hold jobs and live according to the law in DR, i have nothing but respect for these guys, but illegal inmigration is slowing progress down and worsening the poverty issue... Let the Haitian government and the international community play their part in providing for the Haitian people.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
There's a lot of spin doctors here, the article is clear it's about some
NGO's acusing theDR authority of deying citizenship to illegals no
skin color, but then again that's all you have.
From: Haiti
the truth hurts, I see that the Dominicans of this site will never change, and I think that 96% of Dominicans have been brainwashed!
they Haitians take note, there is nothing to do, the Spaniards have done a great job to their brains!
Dominicans think they are Indians, while the Indians were decimated by the Spaniard!
frankly, I think we should leave them to their ignorance, the Dominicans have an great problem of identity!
they are blind, they seek a lot of example based on the lie for try to prove a lot of crap!
they choose to cultive the hatred about the haitians.
and until we the Haitians we do not work to advance our country, they will always say bad things about haiti! I pray for you to build the wall in the border so that the lazy among us begin to create instead of buying all the crap from your mess! DR IS A GREAT HALLUCINATIONS OF DEVELOPMENT, THE MONEY OF TOURISTS COME BACK IN USA, FRANCE AND OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRY!
Written by: telemeco, 25 Oct 2011 7:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
From: United States
@KISK...ERR..pitiman.
What you should do is to get a life.
Worry about haiti and haiti only.
Forget about our race,it's none of your damn business what race we are or what genes we carry!
Stop trying to get approval from us.....WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU!
From: United States
@ all the dominicans who don't what they are talking about. First in school we learn french,english,spanish depend on your age greek and latin. That is why an educate haitian would speak @ least 2 language not counting french. No person of haitian descend born abroad is haitian or else we would have dual citizenship. Now I agree built a wall around dr.send all the haitian back to haiti and all the dominican to dr.we will not buy anything from you and you will not sell us anything.keep all your jobs @ the batey and all the job we are taking from you. Have a nice day guys
From: United States
YEAH,YEAH,YEAH...we get it..!!
You haitians are GENIUSES you speak every language on earth,you were the first to the moon
and are a world power and blah,blah,blah...!
GOOD FOR YOU..! NOW ...just stay in haiti doing great things...KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK...NOW go ahead and live your lives and LEAVE US ALONE.
From: United States, Haze gray, underway
Alot of you fools on this site make the whole island in general look like a bunch of ignorant dumbasses. Anyways, more pressure needs to be put on the govt to stop the oncoming flow of illegal nationals across the border. Honestly, every Dominican guard and/or citizen that continue to allow these illegal people in and take bribes should be tried for treason. That is a direct betrayal of the country. Wether the person is Haitian, Cuban, Chinese, Russian, black, white, yellow, etc. it should not matter. If the proper paperwork isnt presented, and I dont mean papeltas, they should be turned around at the border. This is an ongoing issue that wont be solved no time soon. Also, Haitian immigration to DR will never stop, be it can be reduced. Also, instead of hiring so many Haitians as laborers, why not hire deportees? Send them to the bateyes, cane fields, construction sites, etc. People keep blaming them too, and the govt does nothing to make sure they stay away from old habits
Written by: riosm, 25 Oct 2011 11:07 PM
From: United States
Good point made.
From: United States
HAITIANS, go that way {----------------, west of dajabon; there we go !
Written by: airgordo, 25 Oct 2011 11:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: Jeanarenas
Atabey:
Your denounsal of "reading more history" comes out of sheer ignorance form your part as you do not know who I am nor have an inkling of my knowledge base.
Being fully aware of past migrational flows in the Caribbean et als. It would behoove your and those who think like you not to dwell on the past and deal with the present. Maybe you defend the facts from a convenience store attitude? Bad if the Haitians do the dumping, good if the DR does it to us?
Unless you are a PLD paid monger/politico wannabe, I reccomend that you recognize that all your governments have conveniently turned their gaze the other way concerning illegal immigration stemming from your country. It is a big faux pas and does not look well from an international standpoint.
Let sleeping dogs lie...
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Let's SEE...Dominicans have to SWIMG to get to PR...How many Millions Dominicans do you have there??? How different are they from you? has the
From: United States
@ajmx why would you want to follow your african root? No reason ? I mean you would have to be proud of who you are. Are you ? Are you man enough to accept who you are BLACK MAN?
Written by: airgordo, 26 Oct 2011 12:40 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: the_haitian, 25 Oct 2011 9:11 PM
From: United States
@ all the dominicans who don't what they are talking about. First in school we learn french,english,spanish depend on your age greek and latin. That is why an educate haitian would speak @ least 2 language not counting french. No person of haitian descend born abroad is haitian or else we would have dual citizenship. Now I agree built a wall around dr.send all the haitian back to haiti and all the dominican to dr.we will not buy anything from you and you will not sell us anything.keep all your jobs @ the batey and all the job we are taking from you. Have a nice day guys
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- This education UTOPIA might be True?? when 40% of your country population Can't READ??? perhaps you are forced to do so BECAUSE NOBODY else speaks your language??.
- WE are on 2011 Do you still think There are massive Bateys on DR?? hahahaha
- Did the Haitian Goverment lifted the chickens and egg EMBARGO???
From: United States
1) @telemeco - Lets be honest, if a wall was built, Haitians would probably be the ones building it anyway. Greed + Cheap Labor = Supply and Demand.
2) The Dominican Government has every right to deport Haitians there illegally, but must do so in accord with universal human rights.
3) All the people who commented by saying offensive things about Haitians are the reason why some people think Dominicans racist. Stop giving other Dominicans a bad name due to your own ignorance.
4) Clearly the large numbers of Haitians will cause a strain on the resources available, so in the meantime Haitians need to minimize their impact as much as possible, Dominicans should continue to be patient and not instigate conflicts. The Haitian gov has to provide something for it's people And the Dominican gov has to rid itself of corruption and better guard it's borders.
5) Haitians are not the only people to come illegally to another Country in search of a better life.
6) War is not the answer.
Written by: Nehesy, 26 Oct 2011 4:09 AM
From: France, Paris
Yucahu
If all your cousins and aunts and uncles from the DR/Miami started arriving in Paris/Dakar in mass and just talking your africanized spanish (without S, and L instead or R). I'd tell you also to GTF outta here :100 % agree, we don't want to welcome any rude racist ape like you it'd waste the nation quality
I spend money in the DR, but hotel and restaurants where we eat and drink belong to strangers (with dominicans & haitians employees payed 3000/5000 pesos a month) meaning that you guys don't own sh.t your wealth compare to haiti is virtual (belong to strangers), you're only wealth is that you're stable country (thanks uncle sam and narco lords...). I travel via American not Dominican Airlines and since I don't sleep with your nasty prostitutes not even 5 % of my money goes really to the DR
Planet of the Apes was a roman/fiction ( did you get the real message behind this ?) but the DR as the first @ss selling nation in the west indies is a painfull reality..
Written by: Nehesy, 26 Oct 2011 4:25 AM
From: France, Paris
We were in Miami for 2 weeks (washington avenue) before coming to your country for 1 week, dominicans , haitians, puerto ricans, cubans are all the same in Miami. Some latinos (including dominicans) don't even speak english after many years of residency...I guess they're not retarded.
About Spain , just ask to the many dominicans who came back from spain after many years of oppression.For spaniards Dominicans are prietos..No better than Haitians.Rich spaniards families have invested their money in Tourism all over the west indies.
Many hotels in Cuba belong to the spaniards, like many spaniards invested in the DR. We met a top executive native spaniard who work in a sugar company based in La Romana last year . He told me about what he thought about Dominican mentality/habits.I wouldn't dare repeat such insanities because I love my fellow dominicans and he was also a racist monkey.
Written by: Nehesy, 26 Oct 2011 4:49 AM
From: France, Paris
For Spaniards you're only mulattoes and blacks who happened to speak spanish nothing more.
Just ask to the Cubans, Dominicans, Colombians etc who live in Spain. They get beat downs in Madrid only because of their skin color. That "we're a white nation " crap doesn't work in Spain , @ss kicking will around the corner for all dreamers
Last week I visited a Dominican Friend in Puerto Plata and his family was doing a RESO which is 100 % an african custom.Keep dreaming of what you're not even after 519 years of miscegenation.
Just deport the illegals it is 100 % your RIGHT.The rest is foul..
Specially when Trujillo's hero was Hitler himself the craziest SOB of the 20th .Nazis would have put him in a gas chamber cause he was an African descendant (with lot of powder on his face). They called French nigg@s and Italians "Brown Apes", they would call him a monkey for sure and throw him Bananas. He was a useless wicked baboon anyway and died like such.
Written by: AgentX, 26 Oct 2011 7:06 AM
From: United States
The Dominicans are the darkest among the Latin Americans. They claims they inherited their dark colors from the Indians not from the Haitians. What a misrepresentation of facts. We know the Dominicans fears the Haitians Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles-ICBM because their women find sexual happiness on them. The Argentinians and Chileans called the Dominicans the great pretenders; the Puerto-Ricans despise them.
Written by: riosm, 26 Oct 2011 7:22 AM
From: United States
Not all Dominican's hate Haitian's.....as for me I never meet an Haitian both in the U.S or DR I did not get along.....
One thing is curtain all Latino's hate indigenous people...why in Mexico the worst then would be to call someone an "INDIO" those are fighting words and a big insult.
Hate is hate and some people NOT ALL look for an excuse to justify there hate.
Agent-X
We can thank the Spanish for that like Haiti like the U.S, yet we all speak their language.
Written by: Nehesy, 26 Oct 2011 7:34 AM
From: France, Paris
One of my friend in Paris has huge problems with French justice, he is planning to immigrate to the DR and find a job and live there.
He is a white French I bet 100000 USD with you guys that he will live happy in the DR without being called : "Diablo", "Maldito Gringo", " Malo gringo"
Of course it's not a color issue. DR is full of illegal gringos (criminals, drug dealers, escaped convicts and of course many more honests) but also a paradise on earth for them.
1. They are white
2. They have money
Travelled a lot in the DR (8 times in 4 yrs) but my conclusion is that a strong part of the population think that Haitian is the enemy, this what they have been taught since chilhood (parents/school). NOW the DOMINICAN NATION in MAJORITY IS NOT RACIST against Haitians : couples, friends,live/work together, haitians forefathers (dad, mum,abuelo, abuela)
Many examples in mind, I saw just last week a dominican man on his monto concho embrassing a young haitian boy of 3 yrs.
Written by: Nehesy, 26 Oct 2011 7:48 AM
From: France, Paris
I have pictures of Dominican friends who have a Haitian grandfather/grandmother and they look dominican/mulatto you the racist monkeys of DT should shake your genealogical tree and I'm sure many Haitians forefathers would falldown LOL.
I used to know a girl in Santiago (Cibao) a Light skinned Dominican goddess (she could be a model) few years ago , but her mother is haitian (her dad is dominican) , she lives know in Italy and claims proudly her half Haitian roots (she even invited me to visit Haiti with her) . How many Dominicans I know with a Haitian forefather ? Many of them look what you call INDIO/Dominican/Mulatto but they have an ancestor from Haiti. This is why you guys crack me up.
To my Haitians fellows
Dominicans population are not racists like those internet cowards that you find in DT. I'm sure Yucahu has/will never said/say, face to face to any Haitian in MIAMI what he says here. Please don't take their postings for a reprensentation of the DR population.
From: United States
We should start posting our pictures with our comments so that all is clear on who we are. Who is in for this?
Written by: airgordo, 26 Oct 2011 9:24 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: AgentX, 26 Oct 2011 7:06 AM
From: United States
The Dominicans are the darkest among the Latin Americans. They claims they inherited their dark colors from the Indians not from the Haitians. What a misrepresentation of facts. We know the Dominicans fears the Haitians Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles-ICBM because their women find sexual happiness on them. The Argentinians and Chileans called the Dominicans the great pretenders; the Puerto-Ricans despise them.
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an IGNORANT, VERY IGNORANT statement, the BLACKNESS of the dominican people COMES FROM AFRICA not Haiti!!! READ before POST please, not backwards...Santo domingo was Built in 1495, that is like 200 years BEFORE haiti even EXISTED... so YES we are ALso black but FROM MOTHER AFRICA!!!
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
From: United States
Wow, race. A latino dilemma.
From: United States
Equatorial guine speaks spanish. Are they latino. Let the dominicans explain
Written by: Nehesy, 26 Oct 2011 10:50 AM
From: France, Paris
"En su versión original la ley migratoria de Alabama, la más severa promulgada en Estados Unidos contra los indocumentados, contiene artículos que de aplicarse pueden dejar un hogar sin agua ni energía, sin escuela pública a los niños y, el peor de los temores, separar familias"
This law is stupid and racist cause inhuman. Copying racist countries (Anglo-saxons being the worse i.e one drop rule and at the same time high skilled hypocrites) to deport illegals in a savage way is not the solution too.
Ask to the haitians children roaming in the DR streets and separated from their deported parents in Haiti, none of them knowing if the other one is alive or dead : BRAVO !
You have the right to deport but do it properly.
From: United States, Haze gray, underway
Airgordo,you are right. Alot of us do descend directly from Africa, but it is ubsurd to believe that there arent any dominicans of Haitain decent. Two great examples are Trujillo and Lilis. Both had Dominican and Haitian blood. Also, dont foget that Haiti ruled the entire island for 20 years. Im pretty sure there was some messing around wether voluntarily or involuntarily. And on top of that, who knows how many Haitian "criadas" had children out of wedlock by Dominican men cheating on their wives.
Now, AgentX, why do YOU think they call us PLATANOS?
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
We wouldn't have this problem if there we not sooooooo many Haitians in our soil to beging with.
We need to stop bringing or LETTNG in more haitians to DR! We need to bring workers from other Latin American countries and poor European farm workers who would love to come on seasonal terms and enjoy the tropics!
No more Haitians please!!!
Written by: ajmx58, 26 Oct 2011 11:45 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Ok lets answer one by one, KISKEYAMAN,
1st we are not brainwashed what we have is a real identity that is called to be Dominican.
2nd We had black people in this side before the so called Haitian country existed.
3rd We did not began this hate, it was your people when they invaded us just after our independence from Spain -your people tried to change our language, our laws, our customs and even our citizenship, they even tried sort of an ethnic cleansing in the cibao zone, killing infants.
4th Please read the history before you call ignorant a citizen of another country.
5th And remember the worst enemy of a Haitian is another Haitian.
Thanks
Written by: ajmx58, 26 Oct 2011 12:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Lets go with the other one, the_haitian.
1st. I would like to know which percentage of educated people are you talking about?
2nd. Why must of the Haitians which come to our side only speak creol?
3rd. We do not sell to you, your people come to buy because the prices on your side, controlled buy your own people, are too expensive for them, they charge 1 US$ for a pound of earth to make earth cakes, and that is Haitian to a Haitian.
4th. The sugar cane industry is a slave business, is a reality we need your people for that, but at the end you can mechanize it too.
About the African roots, that is an utopia based on the lack of identity and very hard to follow, in our side the mixing between races is going on since a long time ago, usually the black people assumed the last name of the spaniard who had him as a slave, then is almost impossible to follow it. I prefer my Caribbean Roots, which by the way i can trail back to spain.
Please Remember we are very clear we are Dominicans.
Written by: ajmx58, 26 Oct 2011 12:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic
And now to the prince nehesy, because either you are rich haitian prince or else.
1st. Why do you live in Paris, and not in your beloved country?
2nd. Is amazing how you try to erase the history between the countries, and tag it with the so called racism of the Dominicans.
3rd. Be honest you hate us too, and you are more racist than we can be. Explain the difference that you have in your own country between mulatos and kongos as you call them.
4th. Our ethnicity is a pure and simple mix between black and white, why do we have to always look to the African side?
5th. Your lack of identity is what makes you too look for roots that were lost long ago. That happens too with the african-american comunity in the USA.
5th. You can not accept that being latino which i am proud to be, is the ethnicity, the culture, the race. WE ARE IN A NEW AGE MY FRIEND, PLEASE EVOLVE. Our families are rainbows.
Thanks.
They talk the same as us in the south of spain, and is the arabic influence.
Written by: airgordo, 26 Oct 2011 1:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: the_haitian, 26 Oct 2011 10:45 AM
From: United States
Equatorial guine speaks spanish. Are they latino. Let the dominicans explain
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let me give you a CONDENSED VERSION of what LATIN AMERICA MEANS so you LEARN before posting with Irony a nonsense...Spanish is a LATIN Language, like portuguese, French and Italian...If they speak spanish they would be perhaps Latin Africa, yet they remain isolated...but on LATIN AMERICA there are bonds forget over more than 500 years of interchange, that is why it is so similar in every nation.
Written by: airgordo, 26 Oct 2011 1:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: Nehesy, 26 Oct 2011 10:50 AM
From: France, Paris
This law is stupid and racist cause inhuman. Copying racist countries (Anglo-saxons being the worse i.e one drop rule and at the same time high skilled hypocrites) to deport illegals in a savage way is not the solution too.
Ask to the haitians children roaming in the DR streets and separated from their deported parents in Haiti, none of them knowing if the other one is alive or dead : BRAVO !
You have the right to deport but do it properly.
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Are you Aware that your fellow haitians actually RENT their childs to beg on the streets? the younger, the more expensive they are... come to Santiago and i'll give you the places they beg, NEVER saw foreigners begging on any other country other than this one, IMPORTED MISSERY., perhaps you don't want to see that.. are you aware that you get deported to haiti and next day you can be back on DR just like that?, your people don't have to swim or fly, JUST WALK!!
Written by: airgordo, 26 Oct 2011 1:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: ajmx58
From: Dominican Republic
Ok lets answer one by one, KISKEYAMAN,
1st we are not brainwashed what we have is a real identity that is called to be Dominican.
2nd We had black people in this side before the so called Haitian country existed.
3rd We did not began this hate, it was your people when they invaded us just after our independence from Spain -your people tried to change our language, our laws, our customs and even our citizenship, they even tried sort of an ethnic cleansing in the cibao zone, killing infants.
4th Please read the history before you call ignorant a citizen of another country.
5th And remember the worst enemy of a Haitian is another Haitian.
Thanks
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This is AN EXCELLENT POST, let me just add some historical FACTS:
On #2- it is Historical fact that by 1520s we had Whites with Tainos and Begun mixing with FIRST Blacks
On#3- Dessaliness did this on 1805, haitians just metion 1937
on #4- Haitians IMPOSSED on DR REVERSE RACISM
From: United States
Haitian people on this site need to understand the racial makeup of DR, 1.1 million Blacks, 7.2 million mixed, 1.7 million whites and not counted in the census approximately 2.2 million Haitians including illegals. This means 12.2 million people overall, and by the way one of the main reason why the illegals have to be sent back is beacuse we cannot house all these people. We don't have enough housing or resources....
From: Haiti
TUNGAMAN
'Forget about our race,it's none of your damn business what race we are or what genes we carry!'
Race? AHAHAHAHHA WHAT RACE? you think you are indio but i think you want say idiot! expecially you tunga!
Let me tell you, my problem is not only haiti but your side! sorry the haitians have some children dominicans! It's your problem tungaman if you think you are white! but it's your problem if you are frustrated that the spaniard don't care about you!
little children stop to cry
Written by: ajmx58, 26 Oct 2011 3:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 26 Oct 2011 3:17 PM
From: Haiti
"Race? AHAHAHAHHA WHAT RACE? you think you are indio but i think you want say idiot! expecially you tunga!
Let me tell you, my problem is not only haiti but your side! sorry the haitians have some children dominicans! It's your problem tungaman if you think you are white! but it's your problem if you are frustrated that the spaniard don't care about you!"
You see the hate, jesus. KISKEYAMAN that is the best thing you guys do HATE, you even hate each other.
There is a say in spanish that goes "Si lo que vas a decir no sirve, mejor mantén la boca cerrada". I will give it to you as a homework, by the way please change your name to haitianman, don't offend the name of the island which is not african is taino.
And remember again the worst enemy of a Haitian is another Haitian.
Written by: USADR, 26 Oct 2011 3:40 PM
From: United States
Its quite pathetic how Haitian posters & their supporters here try to desperately turn this into their usual conversation about their obsessive preoccupation with our ancestry.
'El ladron juzga por su condiciones', its quite apparent to any unbiased observer that it is they who have some inferiority complex with their own race. Note how Dominicans can care less about Haitians and their ancestry or how they self-identify.
From: United States
@ usadr why would you put usa before dr it should be the other way around. I don't care about your make up ancestry . Ancestry is like having children. You may not want to admit that they are yours but that will stop them from being yours. DENIED ALL YOU WANT DNA DON'T LIE
Written by: ajmx58, 26 Oct 2011 4:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic
OMG this guys are really in the middle ages and all of the sudden there is DNA.
OK then please anyone of you can show here the exact trace of our so called african roots, please be exact, help us the poor ignorants, so we can see the value of those traces in our DNA.
My family is a rainbow, i don't see the importance of which tone of black or white prevails. Please stop talking about this color or race subjects and try to post something useful. We are not guilty that you are just an spot in a sea of spanish speaking people. You choose that.
From: United States
Why do people here argue with haytians? THERE IS NO POINT !!!! You answer one thing and they ask another, or bring race to the argument or ask you about your nickname, that is all they do and it's ridiculous, these people have complex problems, Just notice how they are on this website ALL DAY !! They are obsessed with us, and they just want to piss you off ................. DOMINICANS, when a haytian grajo piti replies to your comments; don't answer - just ignore and don't argue - they don't see how that makes them look - Haters are going to be just that; Haters.
From: United States
@airgordo if I say they speak spanish that mean they do.2 the spaniard do not consider themselves latino nor those the brezilian. Matter of fact the spaniard are white. There school were run by africanwhich was heavily intertwine in their society that is why there were ready to rape your grand parents.the reason you. Have a spanish name you carry the name of your master. As for being able to show your root all the way to spain I doubt that unless you are white. So don't be the dog chasing his master. You are free now and we help you
Written by: ajmx58, 27 Oct 2011 11:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Is really like time travel reading you, the_haitian, you are still in the slavery time talking about masters and slaves, there is really no point in discussing anything with you before you can evolve and grow to these ages. You sound like in the movies where the afro-american call dogs to there colleagues, you are still there in the tribe, jejejeje. Please evolve and grow up.
Remember the worst enemy of a haitian is another haitian.
Written by: ajmx58, 27 Oct 2011 11:02 AM
From: Dominican Republic
By the way portuguese is a latin language, as spanish.
But you have such a tunnel vision. Jesus.
Written by: riosm, 27 Oct 2011 11:10 AM
From: United States
This should enlighten the few....
Spanish: is a language not a culture.
Hispanic; is a label being from Espanola via Spain, an Identity used to keep conquered lands loyal to Espanola.
Latino: the real Latino's were the Romanian / Romans and Latin spoken by the early Church [Roman Catholic] of Rome which was used as a secret language to keep the early followers of the Church in limbo.
I think the proper word used should be MEZO-AMERICANO meaning MIXED and AMERICANO meaning a term used early by Columbus which includes everybody in the whole western hemisphere of the new found [stolen] lands.
For those Haitian's who think different, ask your self who brought the African slaves to the Caribbean ?
The Spaniards were a mix with the darker shade of white unlike the Scandinavians.
THERE THAT SHOULD SETTLE IT......
Written by: ajmx58, 27 Oct 2011 11:34 AM
From: Dominican Republic
A very good approach and etymological definition riosm.
The fact is that what i call Latino, is really the evolution of the mix between black+white+the real americans (wrongly called indians).
With time it has become a new ethnical group with a very big diversity of cultures, which varies depending on the area which was colonized and the colonizer.
Is a very complex and amazing mix that we have to valorate.
The resilience and strenght of our race is really overwhelming as is demonstrated by the different Diasporas of our countries. Even though some of us have chosen the wrong path is still valuable.
I fell proud to be Latino, i does not matter to me which skin you have, at the end what matters is how do you live and behave. We are not dogs chasing any master, we are Latinos trying to define our future.
From: United States
@riosm and. Ajmx 58 I am not disputing that spanish french portug.. has its origin from latin.all I said was brezilian don't consider themselve as latino.spanish is a languge but the meaning in the state is not just a language but a culture. That is why you would hear ppl say the spanish culture. But you know what is funny when I first got to dr if the dominicans. Acted like the one in this forum I would never have gone back.but the one that I have met and became friend with is like night and day with you guys.when I meet a dr here I will tell him I am haitian the first thing he or she will say is you are my brother.I love dr my girlfriend is dominican. Dominican woman knows how to take care of their man but they are crazy.I c haitian and dominican living side by side no problem. Yet you guys have problem in the forum
Written by: airgordo, 27 Oct 2011 2:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic
That is a LIE Brazilians ARE latinos and consider themselves as such, seen by myself on my multiple trips to both Brazil and Miami...ask your friends what they think of Massive Illegal Haitina inigration and ask them not to hold themselves tell them you will not be offended, and you will see what they think...
By the way, a Brother Does not do Harm to another Brother, so that does not applies to DR-Haiti relationship!! so cut that Crap!! we have to TOLERATE Haiti, we don't have to be even more friendly that we are, that has cost us stuff like Fu*ing CHOLERA.
From: United States
@airgordo you know what. Tell me which is it your haitian father didn't take care of you or was it a haitian who took your woman from you. Well you should have treat her better.my brother
Written by: ajmx58, 27 Oct 2011 5:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
To the_haitian
please read
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and Remember the worst enemy of a haitian is? .. ummm another haitian
From: United States
@ajmx maybe you should write that. After some of the post I've seen on dt or is it the haitian father that is offensive truth is allways
Written by: ajmx58, 28 Oct 2011 8:52 AM
From: Dominican Republic
@the_haitian, the problem is that if we try to discuss things here with facts and all of the sudden you go personal, then you are out of line.
Personally i don't have anything against the haitians (the godfather of my daughter is haitian and a good friend of mine), i fell sorry for them, but i can not allow anyone to come and begin talking half trues, taking advantage of the ignorance of the history of our countries, and at the same time bring issues like color or race that are not important in this specific moment of the haitian nation. Your people is hungry, your country is deforested, your government is almost non-existent, the mulato elite is still in power enslaving their own people, etc, etc.
With all these big issues you and your coleagues come here talking about african roots, skin color, our mothers, our wifes, etc.. Are you guys living in the moon? For me is not offensive having any haitian family or relatives.
Remember the worst enemy of a haitian is another haitian
Written by: airgordo, 29 Oct 2011 10:37 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: the_haitian, 27 Oct 2011 2:39 PM
From: United States
@airgordo you know what. Tell me which is it your haitian father didn't take care of you or was it a haitian who took your woman from you. Well you should have treat her better.my brother
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What ILLEGAL Hatians are taken over is not a woman, IT IS MY COUNTRY, using Human Dumping.
Written by: riosm, 29 Oct 2011 10:48 AM
From: United States
Still no mention of accountability for the billions in aide that poured in after the quake.
Bill Clinton the great white hope.....I mean hopelessness.
Let's face it the real solution to the Haitian problem is getting the Haitian Gov. to help the Haitian people for if so.....the current problems in Haiti will solve them selves....at least I hope so.
From: United States
@riosm clinton is the great white hope for the un educated. He has done more to hurt black ppl,latino,and my country. Even in the earthquake the money that was promise by other countries was stop because he wanted to give all the contact to american co. And riosm the country and the first that came in and kept on helping haiti not in words but in action is the domincan republic. For that I thank your gov and its ppl, I know 90% of dominicans are not like those on dt. But I will keep my eyes on the 10%
Written by: riosm, 29 Oct 2011 5:31 PM
From: United States
The_Haitian,
Obama is the new great half white HOPE only he's counting on the unemployed, welfare, section 8, food stamp for their vote in 2012....create a massive lower class...make them depended on Gov.....promise them entitlements and free services with the fear "IF I DON'T GET ELECTED YOUR DOOMED"....for Obama it's a sure bet.
As a Dominican I take pride "the first country and the first that came in and kept on helping Haiti not by words but by action was the DR"....
Yet many Haitian's today seem to forget that !
I believe they call that the "nanny state mentality", dependency on survival by world powers not self dependency / reliance.
Then we other forms of total Government dependency like.......good ol Cuba.
That 10% come from all country's, colors, nationality's, religions, genders not just east of the Haitian border.
I also keep my eyes and ears on that 10%.....all it takes is one.
Take care
Written by: airgordo, 29 Oct 2011 11:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Rios that is a description of the dominican goverment system , that is exactly what they do to kee in power
Written by: riosm, 30 Oct 2011 9:22 AM
From: United States
Airgordo,
This is what happens when people become totally dependent on Gov. CHANGE for survival they look at Gov. as there only HOPE.
People need to be creative in finding ways for their survival, that is real freedom.
My Dad used to tell that in the DR during the 30' &40's the barter system among neighbours was in full swing and the extras being sold to the public, life was simple yet sustainable, sure life was hard one worked hard and success was left up to the individual with no limits by Gov.
.
Written by: Nehesy, 31 Oct 2011 10:57 AM
From: France, Paris
@ Airgordo
1. I'm not Haitian nor Haitian related : you can deport all haitians at the end of the day it's not my business ( no consequences for me or my family )
2. I visited Santiago last year and true many Haitians child were begging on the streets (same thing here in Paris : Romanians children) : but some Dominican adults also ask me for money to eat since I look a stranger. Actually I never went in a place in the DR without having a national (male/female/child) asking me for money.It must be national custom/tradition.
3. You guys ( Haitians + Dominicans) have to fix this mess.
4. Haitians should of course fix their country 1st, it would be a better way to not be humiliated in the DR (mass deportation, bad words, racial segregation) . But since it's a globalized world I guess every country have to support illegals because weath is not shared equally worldwide.
ADIOS, finished on this stupid and redundant thread : only purpose is to create more hate
Written by: airgordo, 31 Oct 2011 2:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Bye BYE!!! Great that you also SAW the imported MISSERY
From: Haiti
airgodo
your fellow import the missery in puerto rico and the usa; have you got a problem?
YOU FORGET YOUR COUNTRY IS A POOR COUNTRY?
AND A LOT OF DOMINICANS LEAVE DR?
TELEMECO
YOU LOVE SPANIARD BUT THE SPANIARD WANT ONLY MAKE MONEY WITH YOUR DR that's all!
Written by: airgordo, 6 Nov 2011 7:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic
i have been on PR MANY TIMES, also NY, BOSTON, Orlando and MIAMI, MANY TIMES...i have NEVER in my life seen a Dominican BEGGING on a corner on those places...By the way i don't Fu*king love Spain, but i can deny that is a very important part of what WE ARE, just like Africa and the Tainos, when you make your peace with that concept perhaps you will understand...
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Condoning and tolerance won't make an illegal legal.
Some people don't want to admit the obvious: for many generations, and recently much so, Haiti has been DUMPING its poverty across the border into DR. That is a fact.
There are many illegal documents floating around with false Dominican Cedulas being among the most prized illegal documents for purchase. If the DR has recently stepped up its oversight and begun addressing this deficient system, she should not have to forced by "political extortion" to yield.
The world has a responsibility to help out Haiti. DR is not the solution to Haiti.
Pro-Haitian Afro-Centric groups, the Clinton's, and some Dominican traitors and labor mercenaries, want to bully the DR into giving the DR nationality to illegal Haitians.
They threaten, take the DR to court, spin factoids to the media, and do anything to discredit the DR internationally.
This is how the Haitians pay the Dominicans for their charity and helping hand.
They want the Dominican government to go against DR constitutional law, international law and even Haitian law, that says that Haitians born in other lands, are Haitian.
We must not be bullied by these continuous efforts to discredit us, and stand firm against the Afro-Centric and pro-Haitian groups, that made a barren land of their country, and now want to trespass and devour our dear DR.
The DR is not the solution to Haiti's problems, and will never be.
The problem stems from the disorder and lack of opportunities in Haiti. These drive hundreds of thousands of Haitians to seek their future across the border. DR is not a first world nation-state by any means, but is much better off than Haiti, and thus the Poverty Dumping into DR.
The US and Europe would like to Manage this situation so as to prevent a) a massive outflow towards the southern US-Florida LOL!, and Europe wants to wash its hands, France!, for its creation. Haiti was a European creation after all and those Africans didn't get to the Caribbean of their own volition.
As I've stated before, the World-namely the Europeans and the US-should devise a plan where Haitians are allowed to immigrate to 24 or so countries. Every country gets a few thousand families per year with the US and Europe picking up more given their rich club status. Some African nations could also be encouraged to take in many more.
@Atabey- you might want to start getting your news about Haiti from other sources than This so call newspaper DT. When was the last time time there was a mass exodus from Haiti towards the florida straights.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/n....tinos_checked_white_on_forms.html
Your argument on the "dumping" of Haitians on the DR by the Haitian Government is a disingenous one; The DR has been "dumping" it's citizenry on Puerto Rico and the United States for the same amount of time...
On the other hand, The DR has every right to uphold the legal environment regarding the international laws governing immigration and to rectify any misinterpretations of the past. The Haitian constitution clearly states that Haitians and those who are born elsewhere from any Haitian parent are Haitian citizens and may not apply for foreign citizenry. This is the argument followed by the DR state and a correct one at that.
Three cheers for the proper interpretation of the international covenants!
Like the african ancestors of the Dominicans ==> Your first ethnic heritage. When you say "Those Africans" they also represent the majority of Dominicans forefathers.
Every time I travel to the DR and I come back to this forum, you guys make me laugh cause you're so blind (or racist) that you wish that you were something else than African descendant.
DR is in majority a Mulatto and Black country so the majority of your ancestors were africans period !
You have 100 % the right to tackle the illegal issue, cause Dominicans are poors and many don't eat 3 times a day. Now the racial excuse (those africans) has no sense. Dominicans speak spanish but sorry you're not spanish but only african descendants (sometimes mixed) who speak spanish, when Haitian are africans descendants (less mixed) who speak Kreyol (not an african language) and French.
Au Contraire Jeanarenas. Perhaps you should read a bit more history. Betances, El Antillano, and Marti, and Hostos will offer you some valuable historical understanding on the matter. I ask you consider a timely historical read before dwelling on these matters.
Both Puerto Rico and the USA are part of the first world club. LOL
Puerto Rico's lowly poverty stricken status was eliminated by a vast out migration during the previous century and her economy has had tens of billions of dollars poured into it to sustain her people. So your point is mute, to say the least.
Even Cuba is more African than Haiti you know why ? Cubans have kept their original african language (Youruba) which they perform during their religious ceremonies or afrocuban shows, when Haitian forgot the language of their forefathers. Kreyol is very similar to French and is spoken in ALL the French ex-slaves colonies by the former slaves descendants : Guadeloupe, Martinique, Guyane, Ile Maurice, Ile de la réunion. An Haitian can speak creole with a guy from Mauritius (indian ocean) and they would understand each other.
- Close the border and clean up your corrupt guards at the border
- Accept the jobs that Haitians have in your country if you can ( some speak several languages : french, english, german and useful to the tourist industry , others have very tough jobs that Dominicans don't want etc)
- Give residency to those who have a job, deport properly the others (criminals, beggars, prostitutes) and stop the hate
the children of season workers, diplomats, and people in transit born in DR are not Dominican, so this is really a cheap shot trying to use the COLOR CARD; by No mean we are a white nation, but we take pride on who we are just as the Haitian do.
Our Constitution states that you are Dominican by blood(jus sanguinis) and that's it, but some of you pretend that we give citizenship to more than a million Haitian, and I don't think that's going to happen.
Your denounsal of "reading more history" comes out of sheer ignorance form your part as you do not know who I am nor have an inkling of my knowledge base.
Being fully aware of past migrational flows in the Caribbean et als. It would behoove your and those who think like you not to dwell on the past and deal with the present. Maybe you defend the facts from a convenience store attitude? Bad if the Haitians do the dumping, good if the DR does it to us?
Unless you are a PLD paid monger/politico wannabe, I reccomend that you recognize that all your governments have conveniently turned their gaze the other way concerning illegal immigration stemming from your country. It is a big faux pas and does not look well from an international standpoint.
Let sleeping dogs lie...
From: France, Paris
Cont 1
Even Cuba is more African than Haiti you know why ? Cubans have kept their original african language (Youruba) which they perform during their religious ceremonies or afrocuban shows, when Haitian forgot the language of their forefathers. Kreyol is very similar to French and is spoken in ALL the French ex-slaves colonies by the former slaves descendants : Guadeloupe, Martinique, Guyane, Ile Maurice, Ile de la réunion. An Haitian can speak creole with a guy from Mauritius (indian ocean) and they would understand each other."
And yet CUBA kicked out more than 38,000 Haitians in the previous century LOL!
Some of you guys need to read your history more carefully!
This is not a racial matter in its essence, but a National Identity one. Just as Cuba or Puerto Rico or the USA or any other nation has the right to defend its identity and who gets to become a citizen, so too DR has that sovereignty of action.
I remember a jack@ss calling Haiti "Planet of the Apes" in a recent topic. Is it a color/phenotype issue ? Do you have any idea who was this racist moron ?
I said deport all the illegals I would do the same in my own country but don't use pejorative words to define Haitians , you're not more or less humans than these guys.
Atabey:
Your denounsal of "reading more history" comes out of sheer ignorance form your part as you do not know who I am nor have an inkling of my knowledge base."
Perhaps if you could write clearly we could understand what you'll trying to state.
"denounsal" ??? "form"
What I do know from your writing is that you lack historical reference. Perhaps you are part of that small Haitian group that has made PR your home base? But I've checked out your previous posts and you always come out to attack DR. Never the Haitian Government and her elite! Why? You are among those who only wish to dump the discombobulation of the Haitian State and Nation unto other nations and states. The problems are of Haitian and Euro-USA making-not the DR! The DR didn't create the Haitian state; it didn't import massive numbers of Africans into Hispaniola; DR didn't deny Haiti trading rights in the 1800's, nor did the DR force Haiti to purchase her freedom!
If Cuba kicked out 300000 Haitians and they were illegals where is the problem ???
I beg to differ on your point that the DR is a white nation. If anything, it is a mulatto one.
It is amusing to see how men and women from the DR tend to hide their roots. let me explain -
Men usually hide the coarse nature of their hair under baseball caps or by cutting the same really short (talk about bad haircuts)
Women spend countless monies (origin unknown) in hair relaxing treatments, fake weaves (from India or China) and others like Keratin
Seldom are you able to speak to someone from the DR and have them be frank about their being black or at least mixed race. Most will say that they are Indian (yeah right)
The point here is that apparently, the Spanish legacy of rampant corruption, oppression towards blacks and antillean born spanish descendants has left the Dr citizenry witha potpourri of low self esteem which is evidenced by the few examples exposed above and the need to wave flags showing from whence they are from (like the Puerto Ricans
From: France, Paris
Damn sometimes it seems that I speak with Donkeys so If say Hiltler was a crazy SOB I'm jew, That Guillaume le Conquérant was a Norman Bast@rd so I'm english, you can speak about the DR and Haitian without being linked ( a national) to any of these countries.
If Cuba kicked out 300000 Haitians and they were illegals where is the problem ??? "
Le Problème you ask is that some of those kicked out were born in Cuba!!! Many had resided in the island for many years! Go and do some reading, you and Jeanarenas should take this a bit more seriously before posting. LOL
not aking sides but please: charity and helping hands"?
dont make me laugh its not a funny matter this haitians thing is it?
we dominicans cant help each other we help the haitians? s*** most dominicans are treated as slaves by thier own people in the governmnet.
u know when the rico dominicans run down some poor sould crossing the street and leave them for dead laying in the street as one dog?
only the tip of the icebreg.. {any haitians been lynched latley?} by the helping hands?
Where did I say we are? Do you know how to read?
I'll add.....
Go tell it to Obama, Al Sharptin, James Brown, Michael Jackson, San Cook and millions of others in the U.S.
In my part of the U.S Puerto Ricans do the same, in fact many PR will tell you up-front their Black...around black people....and proudly say there Rican to American Latino's.
Funny when the SH%$ hit's the racial issue PR's always run to the American Latino's side when it best suits them that is.
Many PR's in the south/west coast of the U.S flaunt it that the PR is a U.S territory crap especially the Mexican American's.
Ever American Latino group in the west coast aren't to kind to PR's for standing on the fence of convenience.
Take my half brother
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if that happen, DR wage will go up for Dominican, until them, Dominican business man will keep bringing Haitian to our soil and they descendant will say Yo soy Dominicane y no me monto en la camiona............Please
In our schools we teach spanish, english and french, why don't they teach spanish in haitian schools?. Our religious believes are mostly catholic and evangelical, we don't have so much "santeria" as in cuba, or vodoo. We have the right to choose between our spanish roots and our african roots.
Our history is a bloody one, how can you love a neigborh country in which you can not invest if you are not haitian, one that in their constitution reads "the island is one and indivisible", implying that the other side is theirs too. We can not even talk to them, we were here first with our poor spanish language, without the billions of the USA behind us we have grown, and we are the ones who have to change to fix it?.
Please do a little research before. Thanks
By the way even in the USA a yankee is still a yankee in the south.
Undesirable aliens: race, ethnicity, and nationalism in the comparison of Haitian and British West Indian immigrant workers in Cuba, 1912-1939.
Author: McLeod, Marc C.
Publication: Journal of Social History
Date: Mar 22, 1998
In late March 1937, Cuban soldiers descended upon the sugar central Ermita in eastern Cuba and rounded up a "numerous contingent" of Haitian cane cutters who had been working in Cuba for years, including the "elderly" couple Elisa Dis and Enrique Francis. The soldiers "intimidated" the many haitianos who were "unwilling to go," transported all of them to a concentration camp in Santiago, and shipped them back to Haiti.(1) Elisa Dis and Enrique Francis thus found themselves in the midst of a massive deportation effort marked by "injustices" and "extortions" which had begun one month earlier.(2)
@Atabey- you might want to start getting your news about Haiti from other sources than This so call newspaper DT. When was the last time time there was a mass exodus from Haiti towards the florida straights.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/n....tinos_checked_white_on_forms.html
Pat,
The strategic interests of the US IS TO PREVENT that possibility! That's what I'm stating as one of the foremost reasons for the US interests in Haiti. Thus DR is slated to facilitate US concerns and interest by serving as a buffer state to absorb the problems while the underlining issues that have created the massive mess in Haiti is sorted out, IF EVER. The US offers inducements and certain incentives to DR to buy time for the issues to get solved, if ever, in Haiti.
But my point about Poverty Dumping stands. It has been part of Haitian unofficial policy dating back many generations. Facts supported by the historical records not made up theories.
Haiti needs a Dr. Zaius. We need another TRujillo to shut up and shut down all these idiots and morons from the all over who keep butting in a telling us what to do. DEPORT DEPORT DEPORT and we'll give all them jobs to Dominicans who do wanna do em but aren't getting hired because a HAITIAN is already doing for cheles. Nehesy thank you for spending your money here and keep contributing your input is welcome. But if all your cousins and aunts and uncles from Senegal started arriving here in mass and just talking your Wolof. Id tell you to GTF outta here too.
So yeah Haiti, watch the movie planet of the Apes, you might learn something you ungrateful bastards.
By any mean we are a white nation
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care to explain?
Please be advised that the DR is not the US, nor is it Europe and those types of cheap 'shame' type tactics are non-applicable and will not work.
Try to control your inferiority complexes and the sick obsession of trying to somehow connect with us, wether with the usual historical fiction or by clinging on to our African ancestral component. You can start by fixing all the convenient lies taught (or omitted) in Haitian history books.
Atabey mi hermano
deja de estar educando a estos afro-lambones.
The D.R. is a country as any other where the people have the right to choose how and what they want to be. France by the way is not a roll model to follow.. wait wasn't Haiti the richest of the french colonies once. The biggest forest of my island were in the west side which is now more than 90% deforested, and it was not us.
Talking about the African roots, look at Africa killing each other (remember Rwanda), because of the western corrupt customs that European countries brought there with exploitation levels that are still unaccounted for. Though i accept we have always had corrupt governments, (by the way the haitian government has always been more corrupt), look a their level of AIDS, ETC, ETC..
Is there any good to be seen? I am mulato, indio canelo, black, etc but...
WHY WOULD I WANT TO FOLLOW THESE AFRICAN ROOTS???
I feel sorry any time they come back with the racism of the Dominican, by the way did you know that in Haiti there were 32 different degrees of skin colors?.......And we are the racists lololol
they Haitians take note, there is nothing to do, the Spaniards have done a great job to their brains!
Dominicans think they are Indians, while the Indians were decimated by the Spaniard!
frankly, I think we should leave them to their ignorance, the Dominicans have an great problem of identity!
they are blind, they seek a lot of example based on the lie for try to prove a lot of crap!
they choose to cultive the hatred about the haitians.
and until we the Haitians we do not work to advance our country, they will always say bad things about haiti! I pray for you to build the wall in the border so that the lazy among us begin to create instead of buying all the crap from your mess! DR IS A GREAT HALLUCINATIONS OF DEVELOPMENT, THE MONEY OF TOURISTS COME BACK IN USA, FRANCE AND OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRY!
here why we Dominican love Spain. http://english.dominicancasa.com/....sinfo.php?id=64&secc=noticias When Africa reach those number you going to see me dress up with a traditional Nigerian dress and will name my son Owinyundo
What you should do is to get a life.
Worry about haiti and haiti only.
Forget about our race,it's none of your damn business what race we are or what genes we carry!
Stop trying to get approval from us.....WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU!
You haitians are GENIUSES you speak every language on earth,you were the first to the moon
and are a world power and blah,blah,blah...!
GOOD FOR YOU..! NOW ...just stay in haiti doing great things...KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK...NOW go ahead and live your lives and LEAVE US ALONE.
Atabey:
Your denounsal of "reading more history" comes out of sheer ignorance form your part as you do not know who I am nor have an inkling of my knowledge base.
Being fully aware of past migrational flows in the Caribbean et als. It would behoove your and those who think like you not to dwell on the past and deal with the present. Maybe you defend the facts from a convenience store attitude? Bad if the Haitians do the dumping, good if the DR does it to us?
Unless you are a PLD paid monger/politico wannabe, I reccomend that you recognize that all your governments have conveniently turned their gaze the other way concerning illegal immigration stemming from your country. It is a big faux pas and does not look well from an international standpoint.
Let sleeping dogs lie...
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Let's SEE...Dominicans have to SWIMG to get to PR...How many Millions Dominicans do you have there??? How different are they from you? has the
From: United States
@ all the dominicans who don't what they are talking about. First in school we learn french,english,spanish depend on your age greek and latin. That is why an educate haitian would speak @ least 2 language not counting french. No person of haitian descend born abroad is haitian or else we would have dual citizenship. Now I agree built a wall around dr.send all the haitian back to haiti and all the dominican to dr.we will not buy anything from you and you will not sell us anything.keep all your jobs @ the batey and all the job we are taking from you. Have a nice day guys
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- This education UTOPIA might be True?? when 40% of your country population Can't READ??? perhaps you are forced to do so BECAUSE NOBODY else speaks your language??.
- WE are on 2011 Do you still think There are massive Bateys on DR?? hahahaha
- Did the Haitian Goverment lifted the chickens and egg EMBARGO???
2) The Dominican Government has every right to deport Haitians there illegally, but must do so in accord with universal human rights.
3) All the people who commented by saying offensive things about Haitians are the reason why some people think Dominicans racist. Stop giving other Dominicans a bad name due to your own ignorance.
4) Clearly the large numbers of Haitians will cause a strain on the resources available, so in the meantime Haitians need to minimize their impact as much as possible, Dominicans should continue to be patient and not instigate conflicts. The Haitian gov has to provide something for it's people And the Dominican gov has to rid itself of corruption and better guard it's borders.
5) Haitians are not the only people to come illegally to another Country in search of a better life.
6) War is not the answer.
If all your cousins and aunts and uncles from the DR/Miami started arriving in Paris/Dakar in mass and just talking your africanized spanish (without S, and L instead or R). I'd tell you also to GTF outta here :100 % agree, we don't want to welcome any rude racist ape like you it'd waste the nation quality
I spend money in the DR, but hotel and restaurants where we eat and drink belong to strangers (with dominicans & haitians employees payed 3000/5000 pesos a month) meaning that you guys don't own sh.t your wealth compare to haiti is virtual (belong to strangers), you're only wealth is that you're stable country (thanks uncle sam and narco lords...). I travel via American not Dominican Airlines and since I don't sleep with your nasty prostitutes not even 5 % of my money goes really to the DR
Planet of the Apes was a roman/fiction ( did you get the real message behind this ?) but the DR as the first @ss selling nation in the west indies is a painfull reality..
About Spain , just ask to the many dominicans who came back from spain after many years of oppression.For spaniards Dominicans are prietos..No better than Haitians.Rich spaniards families have invested their money in Tourism all over the west indies.
Many hotels in Cuba belong to the spaniards, like many spaniards invested in the DR. We met a top executive native spaniard who work in a sugar company based in La Romana last year . He told me about what he thought about Dominican mentality/habits.I wouldn't dare repeat such insanities because I love my fellow dominicans and he was also a racist monkey.
Just ask to the Cubans, Dominicans, Colombians etc who live in Spain. They get beat downs in Madrid only because of their skin color. That "we're a white nation " crap doesn't work in Spain , @ss kicking will around the corner for all dreamers
Last week I visited a Dominican Friend in Puerto Plata and his family was doing a RESO which is 100 % an african custom.Keep dreaming of what you're not even after 519 years of miscegenation.
Just deport the illegals it is 100 % your RIGHT.The rest is foul..
Specially when Trujillo's hero was Hitler himself the craziest SOB of the 20th .Nazis would have put him in a gas chamber cause he was an African descendant (with lot of powder on his face). They called French nigg@s and Italians "Brown Apes", they would call him a monkey for sure and throw him Bananas. He was a useless wicked baboon anyway and died like such.
One thing is curtain all Latino's hate indigenous people...why in Mexico the worst then would be to call someone an "INDIO" those are fighting words and a big insult.
Hate is hate and some people NOT ALL look for an excuse to justify there hate.
Agent-X
We can thank the Spanish for that like Haiti like the U.S, yet we all speak their language.
He is a white French I bet 100000 USD with you guys that he will live happy in the DR without being called : "Diablo", "Maldito Gringo", " Malo gringo"
Of course it's not a color issue. DR is full of illegal gringos (criminals, drug dealers, escaped convicts and of course many more honests) but also a paradise on earth for them.
1. They are white
2. They have money
Travelled a lot in the DR (8 times in 4 yrs) but my conclusion is that a strong part of the population think that Haitian is the enemy, this what they have been taught since chilhood (parents/school). NOW the DOMINICAN NATION in MAJORITY IS NOT RACIST against Haitians : couples, friends,live/work together, haitians forefathers (dad, mum,abuelo, abuela)
Many examples in mind, I saw just last week a dominican man on his monto concho embrassing a young haitian boy of 3 yrs.
I used to know a girl in Santiago (Cibao) a Light skinned Dominican goddess (she could be a model) few years ago , but her mother is haitian (her dad is dominican) , she lives know in Italy and claims proudly her half Haitian roots (she even invited me to visit Haiti with her) . How many Dominicans I know with a Haitian forefather ? Many of them look what you call INDIO/Dominican/Mulatto but they have an ancestor from Haiti. This is why you guys crack me up.
To my Haitians fellows
Dominicans population are not racists like those internet cowards that you find in DT. I'm sure Yucahu has/will never said/say, face to face to any Haitian in MIAMI what he says here. Please don't take their postings for a reprensentation of the DR population.
From: United States
The Dominicans are the darkest among the Latin Americans. They claims they inherited their dark colors from the Indians not from the Haitians. What a misrepresentation of facts. We know the Dominicans fears the Haitians Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles-ICBM because their women find sexual happiness on them. The Argentinians and Chileans called the Dominicans the great pretenders; the Puerto-Ricans despise them.
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an IGNORANT, VERY IGNORANT statement, the BLACKNESS of the dominican people COMES FROM AFRICA not Haiti!!! READ before POST please, not backwards...Santo domingo was Built in 1495, that is like 200 years BEFORE haiti even EXISTED... so YES we are ALso black but FROM MOTHER AFRICA!!!
THE GOOD OLD U.S.A doing its thing at home, and forcing other countries abroad to accept illegal immigrants. WHAT A F$$#ING HYPOCRITE!
This law is stupid and racist cause inhuman. Copying racist countries (Anglo-saxons being the worse i.e one drop rule and at the same time high skilled hypocrites) to deport illegals in a savage way is not the solution too.
Ask to the haitians children roaming in the DR streets and separated from their deported parents in Haiti, none of them knowing if the other one is alive or dead : BRAVO !
You have the right to deport but do it properly.
Now, AgentX, why do YOU think they call us PLATANOS?
We need to stop bringing or LETTNG in more haitians to DR! We need to bring workers from other Latin American countries and poor European farm workers who would love to come on seasonal terms and enjoy the tropics!
No more Haitians please!!!
1st we are not brainwashed what we have is a real identity that is called to be Dominican.
2nd We had black people in this side before the so called Haitian country existed.
3rd We did not began this hate, it was your people when they invaded us just after our independence from Spain -your people tried to change our language, our laws, our customs and even our citizenship, they even tried sort of an ethnic cleansing in the cibao zone, killing infants.
4th Please read the history before you call ignorant a citizen of another country.
5th And remember the worst enemy of a Haitian is another Haitian.
Thanks
1st. I would like to know which percentage of educated people are you talking about?
2nd. Why must of the Haitians which come to our side only speak creol?
3rd. We do not sell to you, your people come to buy because the prices on your side, controlled buy your own people, are too expensive for them, they charge 1 US$ for a pound of earth to make earth cakes, and that is Haitian to a Haitian.
4th. The sugar cane industry is a slave business, is a reality we need your people for that, but at the end you can mechanize it too.
About the African roots, that is an utopia based on the lack of identity and very hard to follow, in our side the mixing between races is going on since a long time ago, usually the black people assumed the last name of the spaniard who had him as a slave, then is almost impossible to follow it. I prefer my Caribbean Roots, which by the way i can trail back to spain.
Please Remember we are very clear we are Dominicans.
1st. Why do you live in Paris, and not in your beloved country?
2nd. Is amazing how you try to erase the history between the countries, and tag it with the so called racism of the Dominicans.
3rd. Be honest you hate us too, and you are more racist than we can be. Explain the difference that you have in your own country between mulatos and kongos as you call them.
4th. Our ethnicity is a pure and simple mix between black and white, why do we have to always look to the African side?
5th. Your lack of identity is what makes you too look for roots that were lost long ago. That happens too with the african-american comunity in the USA.
5th. You can not accept that being latino which i am proud to be, is the ethnicity, the culture, the race. WE ARE IN A NEW AGE MY FRIEND, PLEASE EVOLVE. Our families are rainbows.
Thanks.
They talk the same as us in the south of spain, and is the arabic influence.
From: United States
Equatorial guine speaks spanish. Are they latino. Let the dominicans explain
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let me give you a CONDENSED VERSION of what LATIN AMERICA MEANS so you LEARN before posting with Irony a nonsense...Spanish is a LATIN Language, like portuguese, French and Italian...If they speak spanish they would be perhaps Latin Africa, yet they remain isolated...but on LATIN AMERICA there are bonds forget over more than 500 years of interchange, that is why it is so similar in every nation.
From: France, Paris
This law is stupid and racist cause inhuman. Copying racist countries (Anglo-saxons being the worse i.e one drop rule and at the same time high skilled hypocrites) to deport illegals in a savage way is not the solution too.
Ask to the haitians children roaming in the DR streets and separated from their deported parents in Haiti, none of them knowing if the other one is alive or dead : BRAVO !
You have the right to deport but do it properly.
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Are you Aware that your fellow haitians actually RENT their childs to beg on the streets? the younger, the more expensive they are... come to Santiago and i'll give you the places they beg, NEVER saw foreigners begging on any other country other than this one, IMPORTED MISSERY., perhaps you don't want to see that.. are you aware that you get deported to haiti and next day you can be back on DR just like that?, your people don't have to swim or fly, JUST WALK!!
From: Dominican Republic
Ok lets answer one by one, KISKEYAMAN,
1st we are not brainwashed what we have is a real identity that is called to be Dominican.
2nd We had black people in this side before the so called Haitian country existed.
3rd We did not began this hate, it was your people when they invaded us just after our independence from Spain -your people tried to change our language, our laws, our customs and even our citizenship, they even tried sort of an ethnic cleansing in the cibao zone, killing infants.
4th Please read the history before you call ignorant a citizen of another country.
5th And remember the worst enemy of a Haitian is another Haitian.
Thanks
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This is AN EXCELLENT POST, let me just add some historical FACTS:
On #2- it is Historical fact that by 1520s we had Whites with Tainos and Begun mixing with FIRST Blacks
On#3- Dessaliness did this on 1805, haitians just metion 1937
on #4- Haitians IMPOSSED on DR REVERSE RACISM
'Forget about our race,it's none of your damn business what race we are or what genes we carry!'
Race? AHAHAHAHHA WHAT RACE? you think you are indio but i think you want say idiot! expecially you tunga!
Let me tell you, my problem is not only haiti but your side! sorry the haitians have some children dominicans! It's your problem tungaman if you think you are white! but it's your problem if you are frustrated that the spaniard don't care about you!
little children stop to cry
From: Haiti
"Race? AHAHAHAHHA WHAT RACE? you think you are indio but i think you want say idiot! expecially you tunga!
Let me tell you, my problem is not only haiti but your side! sorry the haitians have some children dominicans! It's your problem tungaman if you think you are white! but it's your problem if you are frustrated that the spaniard don't care about you!"
You see the hate, jesus. KISKEYAMAN that is the best thing you guys do HATE, you even hate each other.
There is a say in spanish that goes "Si lo que vas a decir no sirve, mejor mantén la boca cerrada". I will give it to you as a homework, by the way please change your name to haitianman, don't offend the name of the island which is not african is taino.
And remember again the worst enemy of a Haitian is another Haitian.
'El ladron juzga por su condiciones', its quite apparent to any unbiased observer that it is they who have some inferiority complex with their own race. Note how Dominicans can care less about Haitians and their ancestry or how they self-identify.
OK then please anyone of you can show here the exact trace of our so called african roots, please be exact, help us the poor ignorants, so we can see the value of those traces in our DNA.
My family is a rainbow, i don't see the importance of which tone of black or white prevails. Please stop talking about this color or race subjects and try to post something useful. We are not guilty that you are just an spot in a sea of spanish speaking people. You choose that.
Remember the worst enemy of a haitian is another haitian.
But you have such a tunnel vision. Jesus.
Spanish: is a language not a culture.
Hispanic; is a label being from Espanola via Spain, an Identity used to keep conquered lands loyal to Espanola.
Latino: the real Latino's were the Romanian / Romans and Latin spoken by the early Church [Roman Catholic] of Rome which was used as a secret language to keep the early followers of the Church in limbo.
I think the proper word used should be MEZO-AMERICANO meaning MIXED and AMERICANO meaning a term used early by Columbus which includes everybody in the whole western hemisphere of the new found [stolen] lands.
For those Haitian's who think different, ask your self who brought the African slaves to the Caribbean ?
The Spaniards were a mix with the darker shade of white unlike the Scandinavians.
THERE THAT SHOULD SETTLE IT......
The fact is that what i call Latino, is really the evolution of the mix between black+white+the real americans (wrongly called indians).
With time it has become a new ethnical group with a very big diversity of cultures, which varies depending on the area which was colonized and the colonizer.
Is a very complex and amazing mix that we have to valorate.
The resilience and strenght of our race is really overwhelming as is demonstrated by the different Diasporas of our countries. Even though some of us have chosen the wrong path is still valuable.
I fell proud to be Latino, i does not matter to me which skin you have, at the end what matters is how do you live and behave. We are not dogs chasing any master, we are Latinos trying to define our future.
By the way, a Brother Does not do Harm to another Brother, so that does not applies to DR-Haiti relationship!! so cut that Crap!! we have to TOLERATE Haiti, we don't have to be even more friendly that we are, that has cost us stuff like Fu*ing CHOLERA.
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and Remember the worst enemy of a haitian is? .. ummm another haitian
Personally i don't have anything against the haitians (the godfather of my daughter is haitian and a good friend of mine), i fell sorry for them, but i can not allow anyone to come and begin talking half trues, taking advantage of the ignorance of the history of our countries, and at the same time bring issues like color or race that are not important in this specific moment of the haitian nation. Your people is hungry, your country is deforested, your government is almost non-existent, the mulato elite is still in power enslaving their own people, etc, etc.
With all these big issues you and your coleagues come here talking about african roots, skin color, our mothers, our wifes, etc.. Are you guys living in the moon? For me is not offensive having any haitian family or relatives.
Remember the worst enemy of a haitian is another haitian
From: United States
@airgordo you know what. Tell me which is it your haitian father didn't take care of you or was it a haitian who took your woman from you. Well you should have treat her better.my brother
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What ILLEGAL Hatians are taken over is not a woman, IT IS MY COUNTRY, using Human Dumping.
Bill Clinton the great white hope.....I mean hopelessness.
Let's face it the real solution to the Haitian problem is getting the Haitian Gov. to help the Haitian people for if so.....the current problems in Haiti will solve them selves....at least I hope so.
Obama is the new great half white HOPE only he's counting on the unemployed, welfare, section 8, food stamp for their vote in 2012....create a massive lower class...make them depended on Gov.....promise them entitlements and free services with the fear "IF I DON'T GET ELECTED YOUR DOOMED"....for Obama it's a sure bet.
As a Dominican I take pride "the first country and the first that came in and kept on helping Haiti not by words but by action was the DR"....
Yet many Haitian's today seem to forget that !
I believe they call that the "nanny state mentality", dependency on survival by world powers not self dependency / reliance.
Then we other forms of total Government dependency like.......good ol Cuba.
That 10% come from all country's, colors, nationality's, religions, genders not just east of the Haitian border.
I also keep my eyes and ears on that 10%.....all it takes is one.
Take care
This is what happens when people become totally dependent on Gov. CHANGE for survival they look at Gov. as there only HOPE.
People need to be creative in finding ways for their survival, that is real freedom.
My Dad used to tell that in the DR during the 30' &40's the barter system among neighbours was in full swing and the extras being sold to the public, life was simple yet sustainable, sure life was hard one worked hard and success was left up to the individual with no limits by Gov.
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1. I'm not Haitian nor Haitian related : you can deport all haitians at the end of the day it's not my business ( no consequences for me or my family )
2. I visited Santiago last year and true many Haitians child were begging on the streets (same thing here in Paris : Romanians children) : but some Dominican adults also ask me for money to eat since I look a stranger. Actually I never went in a place in the DR without having a national (male/female/child) asking me for money.It must be national custom/tradition.
3. You guys ( Haitians + Dominicans) have to fix this mess.
4. Haitians should of course fix their country 1st, it would be a better way to not be humiliated in the DR (mass deportation, bad words, racial segregation) . But since it's a globalized world I guess every country have to support illegals because weath is not shared equally worldwide.
ADIOS, finished on this stupid and redundant thread : only purpose is to create more hate
your fellow import the missery in puerto rico and the usa; have you got a problem?
YOU FORGET YOUR COUNTRY IS A POOR COUNTRY?
AND A LOT OF DOMINICANS LEAVE DR?
TELEMECO
YOU LOVE SPANIARD BUT THE SPANIARD WANT ONLY MAKE MONEY WITH YOUR DR that's all!