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Santo Domingo.- Mulatto, black and white will be the only colors among Dominicans and will be stated thus in the citizens ID cards (cedula), effectively eradicating the nation’s “Indians.”

The bill “Dominican Republic Electoral Law Reform” states that in the master file of cedulas the color of Dominicans will be established by their ethnic group, and as such only three colors. The Spanish Royal Academy of Language defines ethnic group as “a human community defined by racial affinities.”

Organization of American States (OAS) and Central Electoral Board (JCE)technicians drafted the legislation to reform Electoral Law 275-97, and will be debated by the JCE prior to being submitted to Congress in the next few days.

The bill also states that in addition to the person’s ethnic group, in the cedulas master file information must figure the serial number for each municipality, the specific identity number, a citizen’s blood type, their father’s and mother’s full names, their digital photo and fingerprints, among others.

Rebuke

The measure announced late Thursday drew quick rebuke Friday morning, with prominent media figure Teo Veras asking the JCE to “leave that as is,” because in his view, it could only stoke “ill feelings.”

Although nearly all Taino Indians perished early during Spanish colonization, the term “Indio” lingered from the many remaining descendants of mixed blood also called mestizos.

The term over time came to describe a person whose color is neither black, white nor mulatto, the latter often called "moreno.".

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125 comment(s)
Written by: foresthill, 11 Nov 2011 8:09 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Well what Chrisopher Columbus did now Leonel and his henchmen are doing.
Written by: zooma, 11 Nov 2011 9:22 AM
From: United States

Who will decide what ethnic group one belongs if they are not "Indians"?
Written by: Je_Suis_Haitien, 11 Nov 2011 9:25 AM
From: Haiti
Wow maybe more Dominicans will come to term with their true ancestoral blood.
Written by: RobertoJose, 11 Nov 2011 9:36 AM
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... ((You're blind to the fact that you're blind))
Damn... I fall in between.....

Blanco, Negro y Trigueno , soy TRIGUENO, CONIO!!!!!
Written by: Edwin514, 11 Nov 2011 9:56 AM
From: Dominican Republic
interesting. let's see how this goes...
Written by: hernandez5482, 11 Nov 2011 10:02 AM
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
Let's start by educating blacks in denial.....
And Mulatos who think they are white......
And whites who don't know who they are or don't even know they are white which is very common….
And also the Haitian people who think we are all black..
God i love DT news forum!!!!
Written by: Je_Suis_Haitien, 11 Nov 2011 11:32 AM
From: Haiti
Dominicand mostly are bi racial not tri....
Written by: guillermone, 11 Nov 2011 12:00 PM
From: United States
Je_Suis_Haitien

You dont know WTF you are talking about.

The Cibao region is predominately Taino/European. Then you have the other parts who are made of a combination of black, mulato and those who belong to the group of Dominicans in the undefined race category. Those are the ones you can not place a racial label unless you perform an actual DNA test to determine exactly the dominate race.

In my estimation the best method to determine race when the person is clearly neither black nor white, the "mixed" category is the next best thing or the number #3 alternative. Mixed are the vast majority of the Dominican people, not bi-racial.
Written by: ELPAPA999, 11 Nov 2011 12:21 PM
From: United States, California
Thanks to a very proud black man "Henry Louis Gates" I wish we had a black Dominican who could represent black Dominicans who have no voice in the DR. I know we have lost of colors in the DR; however the fact remain that we do have a small percentage of real black, not Indio, Mulatto, Moreno or Mestizo. I’m a Black Dominican and I’m Proud!!!
Written by: norisenglund1, 11 Nov 2011 12:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
no quiero ver las peleas que se armaran, que ningun clarito va a querer lo tilden de negro, porque eso de "indio" ayudaba mucho. es lo que todo
Written by: porfi_rubirosa, 11 Nov 2011 12:30 PM
From: United States
Good for you and your exclamation points, ElPapa999. But my family is not mulatto (meaning african and european, exclusively). We are not white either. So why should I have to check a box that says we are black, mulatto or white??? Did you consider that everyone who now calls themselves "indio" will start calling themselves "white" for lack of a better term?
Written by: RobertoJose, 11 Nov 2011 12:40 PM
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... ((You're blind to the fact that you're blind))
Then census wont be accurate now, there will be more whites than blacks because the indio's and the trigueno's wont check off black, this is the way the whites pull themselves out of being minorities and become majorities........stupid plan will never work.

I'm starting to think that princes leo is trying to instigate riots to benefit his lack of being. There is no other reasoning for this action to say that only whites and blacks exists in DR.

Leonel must be punished to the point that his grand kids children will feel it or remember the type of person he really was.
Written by: ELPAPA999, 11 Nov 2011 12:53 PM
From: United States, California
@porfi_rubirosa,
So you are "indio"? Good for you, you should be proud. I suggest that you check the WHITE box, or you can just call Sammy Sosa for advice.
Written by: ELPAPA999, 11 Nov 2011 12:56 PM
From: United States, California
@RobertoJose,
you right, no one will check black in the DR. I will be the only one checking that box!!
Written by: Chasbo, 11 Nov 2011 1:06 PM
From: United States
Why is any verbal designation necessary? What legitimate purpose does it serve?

The ID foto should be all that is needed.
Written by: hernandez5482, 11 Nov 2011 1:29 PM
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
What about the Asian population, they number in the tens of thousands... what are they? Professor Gates is not Dominican, he is just and obsessed Black Nazi who wants to apply the one drop rule to Latin American countries. He came to the predominantly black towns in DR while filming his documentary to arrive to the conclusion that we are all black. Why didn't he come to Santiago or Montecristi, or Loma de Cabrera? His work is not impartial, his bias ideology comes from the desire to be recognized. I don’t see why we have to change our views because of him.
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 11 Nov 2011 2:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Gates jr is nothing but a black man that only his opinion matter. His just a moaning black ass. If any Dominican is not proud of any sub saharan ancestry, should be because there's nothing all almost nothing we would want from them: a bunch of savages chasing a zebra for breakfast. If it wasn't for theEuropean they would still be living in mud hut. Spain is the best thing that happened to us and our side of the island.
Written by: RoyStone, 11 Nov 2011 2:38 PM
From: Australia
Chasbo,
Yes, I was also wondering why ethnicity, race or color needs to be designated at all.
Written by: RoyStone, 11 Nov 2011 2:52 PM
From: Australia
It is worth noting that all human beings on this planets are ultimately descendants of black Africans. Caucasians are only white because that mutation made them better adapted to Northern Europe's climate. (Something to do with synthesis of vitamin D). There are really only four sub-species of Homo sapiens sapiens - Negroid, Australoid, Mongoloid and Caucasoid.
Written by: cheflord522, 11 Nov 2011 2:58 PM
From: United States, Boston, Mass,
Here they go again....Mulatto(Like mule) (hybrids) a despicable word to name a human been ....Are they so stupid they do not know it is offensive and that people with high education think and know it's time to revise the terms in which we talk about human?
Written by: RoyStone, 11 Nov 2011 3:15 PM
From: Australia
cheflord522,
The derivation of the word "Mulatto" is uncertain. It may or may not be related to "mule" - a cross between a horse ad a donkey. Regardless it is not necessarily a pejorative word. It depends on the context. For example, many Caucasian men prefer to marry a beautiful Mullata than a Gringa.

Written by: Edwin514, 11 Nov 2011 3:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"If any Dominican is not proud of any sub saharan ancestry, should be because there's nothing all almost nothing we would want from them: a bunch of savages chasing a zebra for breakfast. If it wasn't for theEuropean they would still be living in mud hut. Spain is the best thing that happened to us and our side of the island."

@DONT_BE_SILENT: your views are very, very flawed. Not everyone in Sub-Saharan Africa lives in mud huts and chases zebra's. Have you actually seen pictures of Africa or do you just follow what the news tells you? And I've never met a dominican who wasn't proud of their mangú or their tambora, I'm just saying. You're entitled to your opinion but please don't speak for everyone if you're just going to rant with stupidity.
Written by: BernardJeanPierre, 11 Nov 2011 3:38 PM
From: United States, Earth
People can call themselves whatever they want to be it Blanco, Negro, Indio, Trigueno etc etc. But the very reason why this designation is now being taken away is because it was never supposed to be used in that way in the FIRST place. It was simply used as a way to try and make a distinction between Dominicans and Haitians, problem is, it was not given much forethought. There was really no need to make such a distinction because it was ALREADY there. But due to the racist policies of certain political figures it arose as an overcompensation. Now as a result you have a considerable amount of people who sincerly don't know who or what they really are.

@Dont Be Silent - That is just a reflection of your own ignorance. Dominicans would not be who they are with each of the genetic and cultural contributions from the Europeans, Tainos AND Africans. Take any one of those away and you start to lose the essence of the Dominican people.
Written by: the_haitian, 11 Nov 2011 4:00 PM
From: United States
@ DON'T BE SILENT PLEASE BE SLENT. THE WHOLE WORLD DOES NOT HAVE TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE A SELF HATED BLACK MAN. We are what because of africa. By the way I still see hut in dr. Don't you live in one
Written by: porfi_rubirosa, 11 Nov 2011 4:12 PM
From: United States
If you consider yourself black, say it and be proud.

If you consider yourself white, say it and be proud.

If you conisder yourself mulatto, say it and be proud.

If you consider yourself indio, stop pretending. None of us are pure indio.

But don't make me choose among black, white and mulatto if none apply. Many Dominicans are clearly tri-racial or other mixes. Gates' story was highly skewed.
Written by: USADR, 11 Nov 2011 6:48 PM
From: United States
Just the type of topic to make all the internet race warriors of the Afroloony types come out.
As a Dominican myself, I would first of all encourage all Dominicans to vote down and/or ignore all of the racial dentity politicking being preached about with the usual bs shame tactics, false accusations, etc.

I find it a bit strange that the JCE took the time to look into this, seems very non-typical, un-Dominican (despite all the internet noise by foreigners, race is one topic that Dominicans are very laid back about).

I don't even know if 'mulatto' would best describe all the mixed Dominicans who're the majority. Plenty of Dominicans display a phenotype that doesn't neatly fit the black, white, mulatto labels. I think mixed would be the best, or multi-racial if you want to be PC, or even adopt Brazil's Pardo label.
Written by: USADR, 11 Nov 2011 6:54 PM
From: United States
@ troy310879,

In my honest opinion Dominicans can care less about any of their 'roots', they don't have African roots only, they have a tri-partite heritage, ancestry and culture (European, African and Amerindian).
When it comes to having any racial strife or strong racial feelings, Trinidad and Tobago is a virtual South Africa compared to DR.
Written by: Arcangel96, 11 Nov 2011 7:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I don't think people call themselves "indio" because some Dominicans believe they are direct descendant from the native tainos, but instead they used it to designate a shade of colour between black and white. In a sense, Dominicans use the word "indio" to mean what everyone else designates as "mulatto". The word "mullato" is not a word we commonly use.
Written by: USADR, 11 Nov 2011 7:07 PM
From: United States
@ Arcangel96,


"Dominicans use the word "indio" to mean what everyone else designates as "mulatto". The word "mullato" is not a word we commonly use. "
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You know this, I know this, and Dominicans know this. Its our obsessed foreign blackcentric fanaticos who like to pretend otherwise so they can bore us to death with their AfroNazi speeches.
Written by: MoorUnity, 11 Nov 2011 7:17 PM
From: United States, of America Republic; Empire Washitaw de Dugdahmoundyah

@Dont Be Silent : Maybe you need a little history lesson. The Black and Brown people of the earth(Moors/Muurs) have alot to be proud of. We(Moors/Muurs) are the "Ancient Ones" who started civilization on this planet!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMg-79AzbI4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sttg1A5Ncfs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_EW_EhfkD4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R43NfNQc9o&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqZGM5S8aCQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uacNATHbvLc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_diVI_L6u0&feature=share
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 11 Nov 2011 7:38 PM
From: Haiti
AHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
It's the beginning of the truth! i wrote in this forum that the indians is a object invented by the politicals of DR to separate haitians and dominicans. the spaniard have killed all indians when he have arrived in this island so how you can believe you are indian or indio? don't be idiot.
I hope the others truth will come soon!
i hope the two maricones like GUILLERMONE AND TUNGAMAN WiLL READ THIS ARTICLE.
this two guys who have the most narrow minded, i hear in my life.
I THINK IT's time, the dominicans must understand that their ancestors have lied to them. their aim was to separate the two people in this island.
but what is the real aim to this legislation?
IT's time to open your eyes!
Written by: TorresRamirez, 11 Nov 2011 7:56 PM
From: United States, Haze gray, underway
I think its unecessary because in the end, were all Dominicans. However, I think this will make more Dominicans realize thier true roots. I mean seriously, there is no denying the fact we have both African and European blood, and may even some Taino blood...TO AN EXTENT. As far as Spain being the best thing that happend to our side of the island, you need to look up "La Espania Boba". But how is the "blanquito" with nappy hair fill this out?
Written by: TorresRamirez, 11 Nov 2011 7:59 PM
From: United States, Haze gray, underway
Honestly, we should do like they do in Louisiana and call ourselvs creole. They are black and white and indian.
Written by: Arcangel96, 11 Nov 2011 8:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic
@TorresRamirez,
I don't think we have an identity problem. We understand very well our history and roots. What is annoying is when non-Dominicans try to imply/say that we don't know who we are. That somehow we are confuse and they know better how Dominicans should be. We are who we are, "negritos", "morenitos", "tigueritos" "trigueñitos", "jabaos", "blanquitos", "chinitos", "mal tallaos", "piel canela", "rubios", "orange", "mal nacidos" y "mal paridos". :)
Written by: the_haitian, 11 Nov 2011 8:54 PM
From: United States
That's the first time I am reading dt and laughing . A nation that's fighting about their race. I have a suggestion for you guys. When someone ask you what's your race tell them human. Problem solve not for you but for the rest of the world. Meanwhile you guys keep fighting about it.
Written by: andujar67, 11 Nov 2011 9:05 PM
From: United States
Isn't the word mulatto. Is mullêtre French for a donkey mixed with. A horse to IMARtInEZ. What. Pure Dominican look like ..?
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 11 Nov 2011 9:12 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Wow! This racial designation thing can really bring out the indignation and passion in some of us!

Politics, religion and race have, singly or in combination, been the main culprit for much of what afflicts our world, past and present.

Politics may be, but race and religion really shouldn't matter much if
we can ignore one- another's differences.
When it comes to religion, I couldn't care less. But a racial mixture, is IMHO, very beautiful indeed! I've seen some beautiful women in my life, and most were of mixed blood. We should celebrate rather than deny our heritage....Que viva la diferencia!
Written by: TorresRamirez, 11 Nov 2011 9:32 PM
From: United States, Haze gray, underway
@ Arcangel, you are one of the few I know that may not have a prolem being called negrito, or morenito or piel canela, etc. I know a few that are darker than midnight and dont liked being labeled negro for what ever reason. Im "high yellow", lol, but there have been plenty of times that colombians and even PR's have called me "negrito" because of my hair and my features and I'm cool with it. I feel what you say though, because we are who we are, however I know there are those who are still in denial.
Written by: PatDiamond, 11 Nov 2011 10:02 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Sad this topic have to be an issue in 2012 When POTUS is a black man something I thought I would never see in my lifetime understanding the history of the US. Hell Hermain Cain is leading in the pole as a Republican Candidate ( The old Dixiecrats ) never mind Heidi Klum and Seal.
Written by: RoyStone, 11 Nov 2011 10:15 PM
From: Australia
USADR, states:
"race is one topic that Dominicans are very laid back about"
Are you serious?
Have you never been to the Dominican Republic? Dominicans are VERY racist - mostly against Haitians, but Gringos are sometimes targets of Dominican xenophobia too.

When I first arrived here, my friend pointed to a woman across the street and said "see that woman there? She's Haitian." I asked "how do you know?" and my friend replied "because she's black" to which I responded "well you're black too" to which my friend replied "yes I am, but not as black as her!"
Written by: MoorUnity, 11 Nov 2011 11:29 PM
From: United States, of America Republic; Empire Washitaw de Dugdahmoundyah

Actually the spanish and many other parts of europe were mixed with the Moors (600AD to 1492AD) who were from Africa. (see the book "The Story of the Moors in Spain" by Stanley Lane Poole) The name europe came from an ancient African (Moorish) queen named Queen Europa. The Taino, Arawak and all so called Indian tribes were Moors (African heritage). See the book "They Came Before Columbus the African Presence in Ancient America" by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima

WE ARE ONE!!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_EW_EhfkD4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMg-79AzbI4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqZGM5S8aCQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Woh6JlpfrTU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQORpihSGdA&feature=share
Written by: MoorUnity, 11 Nov 2011 11:31 PM
From: United States, of America Republic; Empire Washitaw de Dugdahmoundyah

At one time, waaaaaaaaaay before columbus, the entire Earth (europe also) was populated with brown and dark skinned people ONLY, with pyramids, mounds, temples and other artifacts to validate their presence......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_EW_EhfkD4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Woh6JlpfrTU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQORpihSGdA&feature=share
Written by: ZonaApache, 12 Nov 2011 12:36 AM
From: United States
This is the favorite subject for most haitians on this blog !
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Nov 2011 3:13 AM
From: Australia
In a recent High Court decision, a special group of people, White Aborigines was recognized.
The journalist Andrew Bolt was successfully prosecuted for suggesting large monetary prizes and grants intended to help Aborigines overcome the discrimination and disadvantage they suffer as a result of the color of their skin, should not go to a fair-skinned, blue-eyed, blonde-haired, predominantly Caucasian man - a "White Aborigine".

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/10/20/curse-of-the-white-aborigine/


Written by: penny, 12 Nov 2011 6:23 AM
From: Azerbaijan
Lot of Australians,before they become old desparate gringos use the sick term "touch of the tar brush".....been used on ME (Spanish ancestory).
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 12 Nov 2011 9:24 AM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
It looks like I was effective in expressing my own opinion the truth. Sub-Saharan Nazy are mad at me for speaking my mind. they call me a black man in denial, but nothing can be further from the truth don't forget, D.R is 16% White, I don't fit the Dominican Baseball player profile, both my parent are from el Cibao 3rd generation Spanish, both my parents, and by the way I don't hate blacks I grew up among some of them that used to call me "leche bamby" because of my complexion. Perhaps some here know what Im talking about. Let me go get my mud cookie out the oven....
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Nov 2011 9:41 AM
From: Australia
DONT_BE_SILENT, you are a man who bakes cookies? You are not a typical macho Dominican!
Written by: the_haitian, 12 Nov 2011 9:41 AM
From: United States
@ don't be silent. Aka leche bamy in the states we would call you ORIEO COOKIE and its not a compliment I hope you know that. Don't forget to get milk. I know you love milk. The salty one
Written by: guillermone, 12 Nov 2011 9:50 AM
From: United States
PEOPLE WAKE UP !!!!

This is a conspiracy, a plan by the left wing radical extremists within the PLD party. This is the begining of a strategy to prepare the DR for unification. First the border between both countries has been practically eliminated and now they want to break down the racial barriers that once separated and distinguish us from Haiti. They want to make all Dominicans black like Haitians, predominately Taino Dominicans will cease to exist and disappear, Dominican whites will become a disenfranchised minority. What will be next?

Don't be fooled, we must continue the fight against the forces that wish to merge the Island into one. Once Balaguer was gone, they began to allow the sudden influx, a massive invasion of Haitians without much opposition and now they want to make all Dominicans black, racially no difference to Haitians.

As far as you and Domincans like you "Don't be Silent" you guys are gonna be F....ked
Written by: guillermone, 12 Nov 2011 10:07 AM
From: United States
Kakaman is a MASISI.....................

In CAPITAL letters.............!!!!!!
Written by: hellborn25, 12 Nov 2011 10:07 AM
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
I have indian hair , my father side are mosly indian and black gene , now his grandparents are from spain and immigrated in the dominican republic , almost all my uncles on my father side look like they came from india lol . I dont know whats the hidden agenda here , but why are they trying to erradicated the believe that we dont have indian in our blood ?
Written by: hellborn25, 12 Nov 2011 10:08 AM
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
by they way I am proud of my dark skin and indian hair .
Written by: guillermone, 12 Nov 2011 10:56 AM
From: United States
The Dominican legislators have allowed themselves to be influenced by the US American one drop rule concept. I can't believe that in spite of our racial diversity Dominicans have gotten duped to accept ideas foreign to our society.

US Americans in particular appear not to be "really" exposed to the true diversity of the world.
They simply lump "races" together in one box categories. For example, if i went out and told anybody that I know darker skinned "black" people or melanesians (not mixed with white), could have naturally blonde hair and lighter colored eyes, they wouldn't believe me. Would they even know of Melanesia?

Dominican politicians are about to do the same thing. Politics have screwed up our country and will continue to so until we get the right people in power.

God have mercy on the DR

Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 12 Nov 2011 11:09 AM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
These Idiots don't know when you've been Sarcastic. "mud cookie"
Written by: the_haitian, 12 Nov 2011 11:23 AM
From: United States
@ don't be silent didn't they teach you not to speak when your mouth is full and your head is empty. What is the saying keep your mouth close and ppl will wonder if. You are a fool. If you open your mouth pple will know. Plzzzzz let me wonder ok .thank you
Written by: ScandiViking, 12 Nov 2011 11:23 AM
From: Norway
To all Dominicans!
First of all you should concentrate very hard on being a decent human being with high moral standard, integrity, honesty, education etc. etc.
As it is of today most of the world see your country as more or less a banana republic. You should be much more worried about that then what color you are. Until enough of you guys see fit to sacrifice to bring the dominican society up to a decent level most of you will continue to live in misery. Discussion of race will not bring you together more likely split you. That is exactly what the corrupt politicians and the ricos running the country want.
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 12 Nov 2011 11:33 AM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
DUARTE, SANCHEZ, MELLA, y Trujillo.
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Nov 2011 12:01 PM
From: Australia
guillermone, in the context of racelealtions, prays
"God have mercy on the DR"
No chance - God (the Xtian variety) is racist in the extreme - it's there in black and white (no pun intended) in His holy book.
Written by: guillermone, 12 Nov 2011 12:23 PM
From: United States
Roy the Christian God of All is not suppose to be or is intended to be racist, and the Christians of that God should not be racist, however many Christians of that God are racist and twist things to make God seem as if he is racist, although he is really not.

I guess it is a matter of and it all boils down to interpretation and you can use the art of interpretation to help argue your point no matter which direction you wish to take.
Written by: danny00, 12 Nov 2011 1:01 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
by: RoyStone, 11 Nov 2011 2:52 PM
From: Australia
It is worth noting that all human beings on this planets are ultimately descendants of black Africans. Caucasians are only white because that mutation made them better adapted to Northern Europe's climate. (Something to do with synthesis of vitamin D). There are really only four sub-species of Homo sapiens sapiens - Negroid, Australoid, Mongoloid and Caucasoid.
WHEN I LEFT SANTIAGO WHEN I WAS YOUNG I WENT TO THE ROCKWAYS IN QUEENS N.Y.
LIVE IN A HOME WHERE THIS VERY OLD WHITE LADY WOULD SING A SONG AT NIGHT FOR THE KIDS.
IT WENT THIS WAY.
GOD MADE THE N***ERS HE MADE THEM AT NIGHT, BE MADE THEM IN A HURRY AND FORGOT TO MAKE THEM WHITE.
HAVE A NICE DAY IN LA-LA LAND BUT PLEASE WATCH YOUR BACK. {AND PLEASE DONT TRY AND BUY ONE CONDO} THATS AN APT NOT??? LOL
Written by: danny00, 12 Nov 2011 1:04 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
white, black, pink its all good if u have money in your pocket in the dr for sure they will try and take it from u.
so color is no problem as long as the color of your money is green.
Written by: danny00, 12 Nov 2011 1:05 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
god in the dr.???


never, never, never, never.\ money yes its the god of all in the dr.
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Nov 2011 1:45 PM
From: Australia
guillermone, you have obviously never read the Holy Buy-Bull
.... and don't give me the usual feeble, worn out "interpretation" excuse.
Read what the words actually say, not how your local priest or evangelist interprets them, after all, they are the inerrant words of God himself - no interpretation required!
Written by: HaitianSensation, 12 Nov 2011 1:59 PM
From: Haiti, NJ
Moun sa yo se yon bann chien anraje yo ye, yo pa konn kisa yo ye non....
Written by: penny, 12 Nov 2011 2:00 PM
From: Azerbaijan
Yes open your eyes to what happened on your island and why.Compare yourselves to Israel where constant incitement between false Jews and Muslims to create war."They" who incite care not a hoot about the false (Ashkenazi) Jews who will die when the Dome of the Rock is destroyed.Now think about the 7 magnitude earthquake that killed hundreds of thousands and destroyed so many buildings.Now think about an ALLEGED 9 quake in Japan that hardly damaged pre earthquake designed buildings.A 9 is a hundred times more powerful than a 7 (a nuke caused the tusami) yet buildings hardly shook."They" want you all dead and will incite you to hate each other.Your economy will implode and no one gives a rat's arse about your colour race etc.do they Mr Rockefeller and co.?But you have some very important rare minerals to steal when the IMF bails you out.WAKE UP.THINK
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 12 Nov 2011 3:26 PM
From: Haiti
TROY
ARE YOU TRINIDADIAN OR DOMINICAN?
I don't understand what you say, AMERINDIAN is not the same people like the indians of DR.
My friend i think your remark is more idiot than mine!
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 12 Nov 2011 3:29 PM
From: Haiti
troy310879
dominica is not rep DR!
Dominica is a very little island! and i think they are not indio!
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 12 Nov 2011 3:42 PM
From: Haiti
haitien sensation
yo pa moune se chien yo ye, ou konne sakap rive gin on leur ap gin on guerre civile entre yo. yo rahi tete yo trop.
yo pas konn sa yo ye vrement non
Written by: Arcangel96, 12 Nov 2011 4:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic
@ScandiViking (Denmark), @RoyStone (Australia), @penny (Australia)

Really??!!! Are you guys Dominicans?
Written by: HaitianSensation, 12 Nov 2011 4:53 PM
From: Haiti, NJ
Bagay serieux e sa fè wont
Written by: airgordo, 12 Nov 2011 5:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: PatDiamond, 11 Nov 2011 10:02 PM

From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'

Sad this topic have to be an issue in 2012 When POTUS is a black man something I thought I would never see in my lifetime understanding the history of the US. Hell Hermain Cain is leading in the pole as a Republican Candidate ( The old Dixiecrats ) never mind Heidi Klum and Seal.
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SO??? the domincian republic already had a HAITAN DESCENT pure black president in 1890!!! so i don't understand what Racist USA policies have to do with THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
Written by: airgordo, 12 Nov 2011 5:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: RoyStone, 11 Nov 2011 10:15 PM

From: Australia

USADR, states:
"race is one topic that Dominicans are very laid back about"
Are you serious?
Have you never been to the Dominican Republic? Dominicans are VERY racist - mostly against Haitians, but Gringos are sometimes targets of Dominican xenophobia too.

When I first arrived here, my friend pointed to a woman across the street and said "see that woman there? She's Haitian." I asked "how do you know?" and my friend replied "because she's black" to which I responded "well you're black too" to which my friend replied "yes I am, but not as black as her!"
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Your friend was Right!!, did you take the time to find out if the woman was indeed haitian?...i could be without heariing the answer that it was, so there is something different that you obviously did not see...By the way can you name another country in the world that has gotten their independence from Blacks?? that will help you a lot to understand the dilem
Written by: airgordo, 12 Nov 2011 5:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I just wonder why they did not include something to describe the ASIANs that are on the country, u think is unfair to have just 3 categories, they should have 4
Written by: Edwin514, 12 Nov 2011 5:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"TROY
ARE YOU TRINIDADIAN OR DOMINICAN?
I don't understand what you say, AMERINDIAN is not the same people like the indians of DR.
My friend i think your remark is more idiot than mine!"

"dominica is not rep DR!
Dominica is a very little island! and i think they are not indio!"
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@KISKEYAMAN:
Troy was referring to the native Caribs that still inhabitat parts of Dominica.. and he's right Dominica has like 3,000 pure Caribs living on its eastern coast.
Written by: the_haitian, 12 Nov 2011 10:28 PM
From: United States
@ roy stone what you said is so true. I was in sanpedro with a friend of mine and I heard a guy say hey haitian! So I said to my friend there's a haitian here he said no its just a racist term dominican use to anny one of a darker skin tone. Yes in dr if you are dark skin you are haitia. In dr there are no black ppl. @-airgordo how many country got its independence with the help of a black nation including yours.allso it was a black nation that give freedom to the slave of your. Yeah I understand your dilema
Written by: TorresRamirez, 13 Nov 2011 12:38 AM
From: United States, Haze gray, underway
Yo real talk, Im tired of all ya niggas talking this race shit. Dominicans are of African, European, and even Taino heritage. The ones who dont except that, eff them. The ones who do, more power to you my brother for accepting the truth. Theres way too much "hay que refinar la raza" going on. If the effin cedula is broken to to black, white and mulatto, shut the eff up and accept it. It is what it is and thats honestly what we are. Yea, now adays "Indio" might be a color in DR, but that aint how it stared off. Ask your parents who were around the Trujillo regime if you dont beleive me or think I'm Afro-centric or lo que sea, no importa. Dejen de su baina. Todito somo prieto, hasta lo blcancos. And also, we arent better than Haitians. If you're Domincan and living in the staes and have the nerve to talk about illegal Haitians, shut the eff up. For the Dominicans in DR, say what you got to say. You're still in DR.
Written by: TorresRamirez, 13 Nov 2011 12:48 AM
From: United States, Haze gray, underway
And yes Im drunk but Im keepiing it cien por ciento wit ya niggras
Written by: bayman46, 13 Nov 2011 2:49 AM
From: United States
I agree with both PORFI &TROY. Be proud of what ever color you are. I also agree with TROY. I am a Black American that have lived and worked in Santo Domingo and I to have observed that Dominican or ashamed of their African Roots. Remember, we are all Gods Children no matter what race color or nationality.
Written by: hellborn25, 13 Nov 2011 11:08 AM
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
I knew you racist haitians were gonna vote me down , you morons cannot destroy what was already in the dominican republic way before african slaves were brought in the country , with your stupid american poison divide and conquer believe . afro nazis what you haitians believe is flawed philosophy ideaology that is nothing more then a reversed hitler purity of the race racist hog wash , like it or not you cant destroy whats already in your blood , that is what you afro nazis believe right ? the one drop blood rule right ? lmao see how stupid your believe is your all puppets .
Written by: the_haitian, 13 Nov 2011 1:14 PM
From: United States
@ hellborn 25 we can't destroy the dominican republic before the african slave? HUH. There was no dr before the slave. Its because of the slave the whole island existed. You need to refresh on your history.then you can come make ingenious statement. Now I just feel sad for you. But if you comme back after going to the library and make the same statement I will laught -@ you
Written by: DutchlMasters, 13 Nov 2011 4:15 PM
From: United States
I do hope the island become ONE so the mandingo lovers be happy about it. I hope, the isla be call its rightful name DOMINICAN REPUBLIC since HAITI is bottomless pit of no returns. Then, the name Haiti and anything Haitian should be erased from past,present, and the future if they have one lol. Finally, if the Afro-centrics don't like it they should be deported to their favorite place AFRICA LOL
Written by: andujar67, 13 Nov 2011 7:13 PM
From: United States
Atducthmaster you are not allowed to comments while your in the redlight district on your knees
Written by: DutchlMasters, 13 Nov 2011 9:30 PM
From: United States
better to have a red district then a rape tent district LOL
Written by: the_haitian, 13 Nov 2011 11:21 PM
From: United States
@ dutcmaster i see you love your job in the red light . but dont forget below that bottomless we will find you. YES WE HAITIAN ARE THE MANDIGO, BUFFALLO SOLDIER. THANK YOU FOR THE COMPLIMENT.
Written by: DutchlMasters, 14 Nov 2011 12:18 AM
From: United States
so the_haitian(s) is/are the rapist(s) in the tent cities near Port-of-Rapes at least i get PAYED ,being rape DOESNT PAY my brother. you got a mandingo i got a PLANTANO LOL
Written by: the_haitian, 14 Nov 2011 1:15 AM
From: United States
@the dutch you paid to receive the PLATANO. THAT THE MANDIGO DOESNT WANT TO GIVE. but what ever rock your boat, lol baby
Written by: penny, 14 Nov 2011 5:31 AM
From: Azerbaijan
@arcangle196

I show no alligence to any country but not a NWOer. I have a British passport but Churchill and the Queen where/are more evil than Hitler. I have a huge interest in your region due to the massive genocide (Haiti)by man by HAARP in Puerto Rico and the huge resourses the island has. The US has few. NZ too has many and is being destroyed by HAARP.I live in Australia and will publish soon my theories on how we are being destroyed or soon to be. I make careful observation of something rather incredible and those who see it are stunned with disbelief.I assure you it is not for the good of mankind but it is there. I make consistant observation of curious events and I am scientifically trained but will not sell my soul to any government organisation or company. Nor am I fearful of them.

Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 14 Nov 2011 9:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Buffallo Soldier? ...and you can even free yourselves from a handfull of families that's been raping you for over 200 years. Stop worring about others countries affairs, and do something for your own, and don't thnk everybody is against you because of your race; seriously.
Written by: Arcangel96, 14 Nov 2011 12:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic
@penny,
Do you understand that your post makes absolutely no sense. You are in Australia, researching the HAARP (High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) conspiracy theories on our region, by posting on DominicanToday, about a facility in Alaska, that allegedly has the capability to create an earthquake anywhere in the world, by pointing radio waves to our ionosphere and somehow this has something to do with our "Dominican Republic Electoral Law Reform”??!!

I can't wait to read your book, or see the movie!



Written by: guillermone, 14 Nov 2011 3:59 PM
From: United States
Yes, Me too.................
Written by: lmartinez, 14 Nov 2011 4:26 PM
From: United States
ya esta bueno ,dejen el temita tranquilo , tenemos cuatro razas diferente , tatooooo
Written by: the_haitian, 14 Nov 2011 4:42 PM
From: United States
@ dont be silent i love my race, i am proud of my race, i know the history of my race as of my nationality you allready know i dont have to tell you how proud i am to be haitian.the tattoo of my flag on my arm my chain. YOU SEE I AM PROUD OF WHO I AM AND I KNOW WHO I AM. CAN YOU SAY THE SAME?
Written by: guillermone, 15 Nov 2011 1:28 AM
From: United States
Kiskeyaman is a Masisi...........ha, ha, ha, haaaaa !!!!
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 15 Nov 2011 8:14 PM
From: Haiti
guillermo the rital
frustred italian or frustred dominican? oh sorry indiao or the real word is idiot ahahahhahhahaahah
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 15 Nov 2011 8:20 PM
From: Haiti
I REPEAT IT!
don't worry be happy, it the end of the lie, this is the start of the real truth.
DOMINICANS HAVE NOT INDIO BLOOD!
when i see a dominican i don't see a indian! i see a mulato, a black but when he open his loudmouth i see a person frustrate, and a man who don't know who he is?
A GREAT PROBLEM OF IDENTITY!
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 15 Nov 2011 8:25 PM
From: Haiti
PENNY
Can you give me more explaination about your point view?
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 15 Nov 2011 8:34 PM
From: Haiti
Penny
i share your way to see that!
most of Americans wants to invest in the north of HAITI or in the border between dr and HAITI?
Why this border or the north of HAITI? i think the Americans see what the dominicans and the haitians don't see! A lot of people tell the eartquake have been created by the American government!
according to the RUSSIANS, the Americans and they RUSSIANS HAVE GOT A NEW UPON, which can shake the cracks and cause an earthquake! The next is DR!
Have you got some links to see what you wrote?
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 15 Nov 2011 8:36 PM
From: Haiti
This legislation is an opportunity for all DOMINICANS, to know the real truth!
Written by: hernandez5482, 16 Nov 2011 6:01 PM
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
: KISKEYAMAN,
and what is my truth, i am white and Dominican and there are many like me.......... should we call ourselves black as well....
Written by: RoyStone, 17 Nov 2011 3:45 AM
From: Australia
Interracial sex - the only true path to world peace!
Written by: iukibuel713, 17 Nov 2011 9:44 AM
From: United States
How does one know if an indigenous community exist at a given territory or country? Basically, if an ethnic group is being discriminated against then it is safe to say that they exist! Check out this quote from the article: "Although nearly all Taino Indians perished early during Spanish colonization, the term “Indio” lingered from the many remaining descendants of mixed blood also called mestizos."
As a Taino Activist in NYC, I condemn the bill “Dominican Republic Electoral Law Reform” and the Dominican Government should issue an apology to all indigenous people in the island due to discrimination. ~iukibuel
Written by: the_haitian, 17 Nov 2011 10:14 AM
From: United States
@jukibue if you say so. But I am in nyc and jersey you need to speak a bid louder
Written by: guillermone, 17 Nov 2011 5:50 PM
From: United States
@Troy310979-

You don't know what you are talking about !!!

First, please get yourself better informed before you make an opinion on a sensative subject that you know little about.

The DR is no doubt a mixed race country, but you have minimized the "Taino" component in our ancestry. The natives people of the DR were decimated no doubt, but no way in hell were we exterminated. The Cibao region, the Largest in the DR has the highest concentration of Taino and European DNA of any area of the DR.

Do not make racial assessments based on what you visually see in the immediate surroundings, because what you see might not be too accurate. The DR is way bigger then T&T and our tri-racial population alone is 3 times the size of the total population of your country.
Written by: RoyStone, 17 Nov 2011 6:21 PM
From: Australia
You idiots are missing the point.
It is not a question of whether there are any Tainos left, or any Taino DNA, or who should be proud of their ancestry. The point is whether color, race or ethnicity should be included on ID cards at all.
If blood type, their father’s and mother’s full names, their digital photo, date of birth and fingerprints are included, surely that is sufficient to identify the person.
Written by: TorresRamirez, 17 Nov 2011 9:12 PM
From: United States, Haze gray, underway
Dominicans are all the same. Wether they are black, white, mixed, or "indio", they are all the same. All eat mangu, locrio de pollo, asopao. All listen to merengue, bachata. There are no white neighborhoods, or black neighborhoods. You will find plenty of black generals and politicians, and plenty of white peasants and bums. In one family alone you will find a collage of different skin tones, physical features and hair types. It is a racist country without doubt, but far more complex than black vs white.
Written by: RoyStone, 17 Nov 2011 9:19 PM
From: Australia
TorresRamirez,
Dominicans are not racist. They welcome all foreigners - black Haitians (to do their dirty jobs) and white Gringos (to rob).

Written by: Kunanate, 17 Nov 2011 9:26 PM
From: United States
11-11-11 Was a date when the universal portal opened and activated us to become ONE, for all tribes and Nations to come together,recognize each other as brothers and sisters so that we can save this planet, evolve as humanity. Clearly this is a very a backward controlling move on the Government's behalf, a very fear based and antiquated behavior ,one that has overlooked one detail since the original colonization, WE are now evolved,educated and contemporary Taino/ descendent people and know our birthright and will not be manipulated. It is a violation of a universal validation, there is no honor in this law when after all the original was "INDIO" and still is.
When we walk or run remember QUIEN PISO ESA TIERRA PRIMERO....

Written by: TorresRamirez, 17 Nov 2011 9:30 PM
From: United States, Haze gray, underway
they should have the option of being "otro".
Written by: guillermone, 18 Nov 2011 6:16 PM
From: United States
@Roy-"They welcome all foreigners - black Haitians (to do their dirty jobs) and white Gringos (to rob)."

US Americans and other white Europeans F'ks us over long before we had a chance to rob anyone.
Not that I agree with this methology, but consider it pay back time.
Written by: RoyStone, 18 Nov 2011 6:21 PM
From: Australia
guillermone,
Who exactly do you mean by "us"?
Written by: guillermone, 19 Nov 2011 1:57 AM
From: United States
Who exactly do you mean by "They" ?
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 19 Nov 2011 4:58 AM
From: Haiti
HERNANDEZ
If you are white you are white; do you understand the topic? A lot of among the dominicans believe they are indio then they are blacks.
Even the dominicans who have the light skin are not white but the considers themself white.
it's a great problem of identity.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 19 Nov 2011 5:05 AM
From: Haiti
ROYSTONE
Don't lie you know your DR is the country where you meet a lot of racist. yes DR IS THE COUNTRY THE MORE RACIST OF THE WORLD. in add you are a great problem of identity. you are little percentage of white and you are ready to say you are white. You make me laugh, i don't see the pride to be white, a lot of people who have a lot of blood in those hands! you are not indio but idiot to believe that.
Written by: RoyStone, 19 Nov 2011 9:05 AM
From: Australia
KISKEYAMAN,
Yes there is color prejudge in the Dominican Republic, but not in Haiti? Your whole history is racist.
Written by: guillermone, 19 Nov 2011 9:56 AM
From: United States
"Your whole history is racist"

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT !!!!!!!
Written by: guillermone, 20 Nov 2011 11:49 AM
From: United States
Guys, lets clarify the point. Unmixed whites in the DR are not a tiny minority like in Haiti. European Dominicans are aproximately 18%-23% of the population, a very substantial number. There is 10% to 18% of unmixed blacks, not including 2 million Haitians. The other half or probably the largest group of Dominicans is made up of 23%-33% tri-racials considered to be of an undefined race, many appear to be either predominately caucasian or predominately Taino and the remainder of the population is made up of about equal amounts of intermixed bi-racials/mulatoes.

Genetic studies were done in which it was scientifically proven that almost a third 33% of the Domincan population carry Taino genes in varying degrees, with the vast majority concentrated in the Cibao region of the DR the largest socio-political territory within our nation.
Written by: MrsWilding, 20 Nov 2011 12:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The only pre-colonial race we hear about here are the Tainos, but what about the Cribs, from whom this region got its name? Both are probably Mongaloid, as are other North and South American Indians, as well as many Asian populations. Every race on this planet came from Africa originally, only by different routes and at different times, and have been fighting over it, and other inconsequential differences, ever since, including on this site.

Isn't it high time we got over it?
Written by: guillermone, 20 Nov 2011 12:49 PM
From: United States
Yes all races came from Africa. Except that when Africa is mentioned, the last thing which enters the mind is Scandinavia. I mean it is hard to make a correlation between the continent of Africa and among the Lower countries of Europe (De Lage Landen) plus Norway, Finland, Denmark and Sweden.
Written by: the_haitian, 20 Nov 2011 1:02 PM
From: United States
-@ guillermore Well there is a saying that goes like tell me who your parents are and I will tell you who your grand patents are. Look @ dr tv how many dark skin dominican you see on tv
Written by: guillermone, 20 Nov 2011 1:04 PM
From: United States
@MsWilding-Isn't it high time we got over it?

Get over what?

We are here only to help better define or clarify our identity versus what others attempt to identify us as such. I mean take for example, how many times people have been falsely arrested for mistaken identity?

Do you know how hard it is to prove who you really are? No matter how much you try to explain there is always that one person who simply wont believe you.

In the end all that matters is that we feel secure with ourselves and deep down inside you know exactly who and what you are. What others believe in spite of efforts made to clearify the point is irrelevent.
Written by: guillermone, 20 Nov 2011 1:10 PM
From: United States
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Written by: guillermone, 20 Nov 2011 1:15 PM
From: United States
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Written by: guillermone, 20 Nov 2011 1:21 PM
From: United States
@the_haitian-

"Well there is a saying that goes like tell me who your parents are and I will tell you who your grand patents are. Look @ dr tv how many dark skin dominican you see on tv"

OK................?

And your point is what ?
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