WHY NOT!!!!! Go ahead and plaster the paper with details, If that doesn't embarrass a dominican official, I don't know what will.

The dominican people should demand PUBLIC FLOGGING to be written into the constitution next to all of the amended leonel specials.

bribes shake downs? in the dr are they crazy?
man it gets me upset for people to even think any thing like this could happen in the dr. with its warm, good hearted people, their is no greed nor lust for riches in the hearts of us dominicans.
hey! when in any big city in the try and cross the street then u will see how good-hearted we dominicans are.
lend us some money u will see how quick we will repay u, their have been many claims of shake downs in this wonderful country and i say they are all false, we are educated poeople we are not animals dont believe every thing u hear about us the world is against us we love grings and jews bring us your dollars and we will show u real love that we have for u.
{we aqlso love the blacks, just come and see how we take care of the haitians} hey we have not lynched and haitians in the past two weeks have me?
god bless the dr with its wonderful people they shine in gods eyes.

Damn Danny, not even if you go the other route, when will you be spared by the minus squad.


Can we at least get an insult from the minus people.

Perhaps the company abandoned the Dominican Republic because they did not obtained anything in their favor.

And if you believe the British go to poor countries with kindhearted and caring love for the locals, then you are low-grade moron.

I feel sure that the backdown may go even further now that we have a delegation arriving in Santo Domingo headed by two very seniour members of the House Of Lords . Lord Griffiths a conservative peer, was an advisor to PM Margaret Thatcher and now heads the most seniour economic committee and Lord Foulkes.Labour . is Chairman of the all party Dominican republic committee .
The damage caused by unsubstantiated allegations made by Ambassador Fisher will take some time to rectify but it is important that a proper diplomatic relationship exist between GB and DR .
Generalisations may be true in a general way but it seems that no one knows the two companies involved here or what their actual concerns were ..so many past postings are pure speculation

We still need public floggings

what happened here is the ambassador was show a few guns, and informed if he mentions any names it might result in unwanted consequences. lol kind of sad but funny, there is so much corruption in DR that its best to stay shut sometimes unless you want yourself to be floating in a river the next day.

Ricky:

Your veiled apologies for misdeeds make me want to puke.

well Yumnuck ,,,no one knows but many contracts end up in court after there are variations made to the original contract and often at different profit percentages and with various timing bonuses and penalties.. and so culverts or drainsmay be changed at the request of the client or suggestion of the contractor and an assessor has to brought in who has full knowledge of the type of project , In his judgement there may have to be additional payments to various subcontractors and extra cost to the client
But as I said earlier no one knows the full details of the cases and some writers are assuming that the Dominicans are simply trying to chisel extra money ..3 courts have disagreed with that assessment and so they are then assuming all the judges are corrupt /
In the end we do not know but some writers just want to assume .

ricardolito you are implying that at least one of the 3 judges must be doing his work and is an honest judge, but clearly from personal experience I have come to understand that if at least that 1 judge was an honest man then this country wouldnt have so much crime and corruption all over the place.

1. Fact: There was a "consultant" (commission) contract to a DR individual that served as a go between the UK company, and the DR government officials or their representatives.
2. The middleman sued the company after he agreed to a lesser amount, for his lobbying efforts, not acting as a construction sub-contractor, but simply a go between.
3. UK company did not follow to the letter all the intricacies of the law in the DR, and the middleman took advantage of the UK's company mistake, and sued them after they had negotiated a settlement, making this case public after it landed in the DR supreme court.
4. The DR supreme court ruled in favor of the middleman, after revising the judgement.

The point is that neither the middleman or the UK company want this case to be ventilated in the court of public opinion because:
A. The middleman does not want to disclose who he was fronting for, or what means he used to obtain the contract, or where the money went.
B. The UK company does not want to make public, that they agreed to pay a bribe or kick back to an individual that did not offer any services, other than serve as a front.
What many are missing is that the evidence of a kickback is plain as day, for all to see, and the news media either has been instructed to keep quiet, or they just don't get that bribes and kickbacks are illegal, and both the UK company and the middlemen could be fined and jailed, and also the DR officials that accepted the bribes.
The proof is in the supreme court document, plain as day.

generoso,

Now the world can see by reading your laser quality in precision analysis why many years ago I baptized you with the moniker The PROFESSOR!

Reading you posts above reminded me of the good ole days before we were invaded by the paid stooges of the purple plague, when you came to this site and got an education from Dr. Strangelove, dread, Texas Bill and yes even my old nemeses the old Cuban fart gouletcolonial/ Blutarsky and his other too many to list reincarnations.
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josean
The problem lies, is that not too many people take the time and effort to investigate, read and educate themselves, before emitting a judgement, backing a candidate, or venting an opinion.
We all agree that the main problem in the DR is the lack of education or to put it plainly, the ignorance that keeps us dependent, on the current system of electing public officials.
Democracy as we know it, does not work in countries were voters are not educated or care enough, to discern when mercenary politicians are just pirates and con men who rip them off time and time again.
The three major parties are corrupt to the core, some have done a better job of not being so obvious in their machinations. So the DR middle class is being held hostage by both rich and poor alike.
There is no light at the end of the tunnel, just despair, and hope that things will get bad enough so
those who care, will hit the streets soon and cause a revolutionary revision of the status quo.

Is diplomacy stupid?.....send this clown and his media advisors back home

"We all agree that the main problem in the DR is the lack of education or to put it plainly, the ignorance that keeps us dependent, on the current system of electing public officials.
Democracy as we know it, does not work in countries were voters are not educated or care enough, to discern when mercenary politicians are just pirates and con men who rip them off time and time again."


Well said, Mr. Generoso.
No truer words have I read, so far, in this forum. Some here still dispute this fact, claiming that Dominicans aren't capable of being educated due to "culture" and "mind-set". And that pouring money into it, simply won't make a difference.
As you said, democracy, won't work until most of us are able to discern a crook from a not-so- crooked politician.
Complying with the 4% law, channeling profits from lotteries (as it's done here, in US) and reducing the outrageous salaries govt botellas "earn", will provide $$ to more than educate the next generation.

"There is no light at the end of the tunnel, just despair, and hope that things will get bad enough so those who care, will hit the streets soon and cause a revolutionary revision of the status quo."


Professor, Che would be proud of you :) !

i quote from food and water watch.com
Hindered by a lack of available financing and burdened by debt Biwater sold stock in its CASCAL subsidiary on 28 january 2008 they raised $144 million and wanted $365 million.
Biwaters operations around the world have been plagued by problems They made efforts to gain contracts in Nigeria,Zimbabwe , Equador, Ghana ,Indonesia Philiphines and China //all places where their offices have been scrapped .Contracts for Biwater and subsidiary CASCAL have been cancelled in Tanzania, Belize , Chile and India ...Problems have plagued the company in Tanzania, Belize, Mexico and Panama .In tanzania they brought no money and relied on the World bank.
I now quote from the LATIN LAWYER and in section 7 they state that the judgement had to be made under Dominican law and not under foreign law unless there are certain conditions met ,which Biwater did not meet

The Supreme Court of Justice delivered a 31 page report on the legal case and confirmed the decisions of the lower courts ,They state that they have read all the documents pertaining to the case .
It seems fantasy that three independant courts can come to the same decision and name the laws under which Biwater has defaulted and that every paper in the land is being given hush money to stay quiet .i am having my lawyer do a proper translation and report but no where is there the slightest suggestion that Fulgencio Abreu is a shadowy bag man ,,,the documents would give all the details.

Ric,

Is all our fault…foreigners come and take away our home, la burra y el buey and is us to blame…but you know, Brits lives in their own fantasy world where they think they are the brightest, bravest, and best looking. Glad we are a GOD Loving nation and any ill feeling toward us, is usually return to sender.

Let me post this here too since it relates to the same issue.

This ambassador is a joke, He probably got a nasty phone call from London, telling him "What the f... are you doing ? Shut the f... up and let the good times roll, we've been doing business there for centuries, it's not like you have discovered anything, yeah, yeah we know but remember what people say, if you want some of that sweet honey somebody has to be stung, now go back to your desk and wait for those parliament members, BTW don't forget to treat them with the usual "tour" in Boca Chica some of them even requested it before hand.

Ricardolito and Generoso,
The story cannot be taken as literal as most have accepted.

Ricardolito
The problem is.....besides your usual thickheadedness that you NO HABLA. Well my friend I do comprende and habla, and let me post the site from the supreme court, once again:

http://www.suprema.gov.do/PDF_2/fallos/Biwater_Vs_Fulgencio_Abreu.pdf

When you are finished paying for the translation to your imaginary "lawyer", that probably is also a doctor in parque independencia related to Dr. Anamú, (for those who know Dominican folklore), is the whole purpose of your "investigation" to trying to prove me wrong? Martha?

Meanwhile back in the real world:

Wow the Lie-onelitas her at DT are going to have a heart attack!

Drug dealer Rodriguez Cruz gave money to the PLD for the campaign

SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic.-drug dealer Oscar Ezequiel Rodriguez Cruz, imprisoned and requested in extradition by the United States, gave money to President Leonel Fernandez for his campaign in the 2004 elections, according to a check, copy of which obtained Acento.com.do.

Also, Rodriguez Cruz was formally invited by the President and his wife, Margarita Cedeño de Fernández, to the toast in honor of the Heads of State, and special missions who attended the acts of transmission of ower on August 16, 2004.

http://www.acento.com.do/index.ph....inero-al-PLD-para-la-campana.html

generoso when will you get something right ,,,I do not have and never have had a SMALL business in the DR ,,,I do speak spanish , english and french reasonably well and I read and write them better and I do have in front of me a printed copy of the judgement from the supreme court and all the reports relating to the Biwater problems world wide.
I am aware of the defects in the DR system of government administration and I do not condone it but I do not believe everything and everyone is corrupt all the time so I try not to generalise .
But I think this subject has been debated enough and I congratulate you on doing your background work which puts you in the excellent minority here

F...en lymie DICK !

He was looking for graft himself.