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Santo Domingo. - The Supreme Court upheld the Central Electoral Board’s (JCE) Resolution 17 which instructs civil registrars to abstain from issuing and signing off on copies of birth certificate to children of illegal foreigners in the country.

In its ruling # 460, the Supreme Court refused to hear the appeal filed July 22, 2008, by Emildo Bueno Oguis, in which he claims that the JCE broke the law.

The document states that when Bueno requested a copy of his birth certificate he was referred to the Central Office of the Civil State for analysis, because the requests by people whose parents are Haitian had to be sent to this office, which he consider a violation of the law. Bueno requested the birth certificate in the Civil Registrar at Esperanza, Valverde province.

The Supreme Court ruled that the JCE acted based on provisions of the Constitution and in compliance with Law 659 on provisions and regulations, which deny the Dominican nationality to children of the foreigners legally residing in the country, in diplomatic representation.

It also denies acquiring the nationality to offspring of those in transit or Jus Solis when the mothers who have children when they live illegally in the country.

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48 comment(s)
Written by: BASTA, 1 Dec 2011 9:45 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all Never Confuse Education with Intelligence
THAT should be in the USA also
Written by: Lopez31, 1 Dec 2011 10:08 AM
From: United States
"Upholds"?? this means the law has been in place for some time now. Then, I would think that 95% of the population from la capital do not have birth certificates.....LOL.....(just joking my capitaleño friends)
Written by: tschotschua, 1 Dec 2011 10:09 AM
From: Germany, Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz
Oops! These are very Bad News for Miss Sonja a Pie, let us heard her crying out loud "Dominicans and their Constitution is very Racist toward Hatians ... !!!!" <(^_^)>
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 1 Dec 2011 10:40 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Never forgotten, never forsaken. 168-13 IRREVOCABLE.
When it comes to the haitians, they don't apply the whole law just some.
Let's apply it completly for once.
Written by: the_haitian, 1 Dec 2011 12:06 PM
From: United States, west orange new jersey
Yeah right like how many diplomats who have kids in dr would want they children to have dominican citizenship.. let us be serious not having dominican citizenship means that they have no where to go. They are not haitian by our law nor dominican by dominican law. form of slavery. Cheap labor generation after generation . They. Are in a loop. No hope brings out criminal mind.but hope can take you to the stars.
Written by: Yucahu, 1 Dec 2011 12:13 PM
From: United States, Miami
Go back to Haiti, Haitianos....This is called la teoria Pura y Simple...Vayanse y ya dejen de joder tanto, conho...
Written by: tunbagobierno, 1 Dec 2011 12:14 PM
From: United States
@thehaitian:

Not haitians by "your law"?
Can you please elaborate on that?
Written by: Yucahu, 1 Dec 2011 12:23 PM
From: United States, Miami
By Dominican Law you cats are HAitian...HAitian + HAitian=HAitian.....Haitian identity cards should be given out. Busses should be rented and field trips to the border taken. Show them, look that is your country mofo. Walk west 100 paces and your HOME!!!!
Haitians don't even want they people. Too funny, then Haitians are all nationalistic and proud of they country that don't want to give em they own papers. Why we gotta be the bad guy? We ain't, the real villian is the HAitian govt. The haitian people gotta recognize that. But they throw stones instead. Fools..
Written by: tunbagobierno, 1 Dec 2011 12:29 PM
From: United States
@the_haitian :

You said : "let us be serious not having Dominican citizenship means that they have nowhere to go."

Not true,your people can always go here:

Guy Lamothe, (Charge d'affaire)
Embajada de Haiti,
calle Juan Sanchez Ramirez no.33, Zona Universitaria
Santo Domingo, República Dominicana
Tel: (809) 686-5778/ (809) 412-7113
Fax: (809) 686-6096
amb.haiti@codetel.net.do

Either that,or they can start heading west......problem solved.
Written by: the_haitian, 1 Dec 2011 1:20 PM
From: United States, west orange new jersey
@ tunba being I assume still dominican how do you applied for a passport what are the requirement if you are a citizen of the us how did your get your passport. So giving that address what you trying to prove explain that to me. How how do you get an I.d if you have have no birth certificate. If it was that easy every dominican would be portorican right now. But thanks for the addr. I am waiting for your wise reponse
Written by: the_haitian, 1 Dec 2011 1:24 PM
From: United States, west orange new jersey
@ yucabu yeah I am haitian then what you in live freaking miami @ your mama house to lazy to get a job waiting on that welfare check. Improve life poster boy for the use of condom
Written by: tunbagobierno, 1 Dec 2011 1:57 PM
From: United States
@the_haitian:

So....the only function of an embassy is to expedite passports ?

I think you need to find out more about what they do.

Once you do that,then please come back to me.

Now,for the second part....What about going back to haiti?

Or what about not waiting for the last second to cross the border to try giving birth on the DR?

How about just giving birth on your own land? Why do we have to take care of your illegal pregnant women? And if we do (AND WE DO) take care of them why do we have to get their kids documents when the parents don't have any and you can,of course get the papers on your own country?

Have you heard of any LEGAL HAITIAN PARENT complaining about His (Her) kids' documents?
Written by: guillermone, 1 Dec 2011 2:09 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
The denial of Dominican nationality to descendant of Haitians answers the question about their status, but it does not answer the question "now what"?

You can't just let them roam freely thinking the problem will go away all by itself. There must be an alternative to their dilemma and I think the DR gov't has no other choice but seek a solution for them, because Haiti aint gonna do nuthin. They don't do anything for their own native born, never mind Dominican born Haitians. They could care less.

Unfortunately, Dominicans are stuck between a rock and a hard place. We certainly are in a predicament faced with two equally unwelcomed options. If we leave it alone and do nothing, we are going to pay for it one way or another. I believe the DR gov't needs to form an alliance with Haiti and create a Haitian Affairs office as a place where Haitian nationality is issued to the children of illegals. Once they get their papers in order, they can apply for residency later citizenship.
Written by: guillermone, 1 Dec 2011 2:20 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
The importance about this is that they no longer remain as undocumented people in limbo. Let us not lose focus of what is truely vital here. It has nothing to do with being neither Dominican nor Haitian but rather to be documented and have valid identity papers that will enable anyone to maneuver themselves within the realms of civilized society and the world.

It think people get tied down on technicalities and overlook that this is about seeking a solution to immigration status.
Written by: the_haitian, 1 Dec 2011 2:26 PM
From: United States, west orange new jersey
@ tunba you. Know well. That's not the only ffunction some we know some we don't but let me walk into any embassy. Let's say a dominican one and say i am dominican let me have a passport tell what they say to me
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 1 Dec 2011 3:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Never forgotten, never forsaken. 168-13 IRREVOCABLE.
Haitians kids, used for begging money by their parents and organized crime:
http://listindiario.com/la-republ....-las-calles-contribuye-a-aumentar
Written by: ELPAPA999, 1 Dec 2011 7:08 PM
From: United States, California
This is for all of you who think you so smart. You open your big mouth and said stupid shit like GO BACK TO HAITI, we have been saying that for far to long and is not working. So please provide a real solution or shot the hell up. I know I’m gana get lots of hater for speaking against, but the truth is no one is offering real world solution. All I heart is go back to Haiti, Haitino del Diablo, Pitigason.
Written by: hellborn25, 1 Dec 2011 8:05 PM
From: United States, New Jersey Home of the brave.
illegal haitians have no say towards there citizenship rights, they belong in there own counrty , which is the other side of the island , now why do they keep coming back to dominican republic? which is another a third world country ? and actually have the adaucity to asked us for finacial help ?Haiti is to corrupted and stubborn to ever change , why not just be a another commonwealth of the united states . There is no light at the end of the tunnel.
Written by: KISKEYAMAN, 1 Dec 2011 8:10 PM
From: Haiti
as Usual, when DT talk about Haiti, the maricones of DR come here in the aim to throw their venom.
this is always the same idiots.
Haiti don't care about DR, in this time a lot of Dominicans are crying to have a piece of the cake of the build of HAITI.
A lot of DOMINICAN COME HERE TO HAVE A JOB.
the dominicans are pathetics, they continuous to believe they are a great nations!
stop please, you are very pathetics, even if you give me one bilion i wouldn't want live in your mess where you can find a lot of people who have problem of identity, problem of violence!
Continuous to hate the haitians, a day you will lost your hispanic dream!
Written by: hellborn25, 1 Dec 2011 8:18 PM
From: United States, New Jersey Home of the brave.
as Usual, when DT talk about Haiti, the maricones of DR come here in the aim to throw their venom.
this is always the same idiots.
Haiti don't care about DR, in this time a lot of Dominicans are crying to have a piece of the cake of the build of HAITI.
A lot of DOMINICAN COME HERE TO HAVE A JOB.
the dominicans are pathetics, they continuous to believe they are a great nations!
stop please, you are very pathetics, even if you give me one bilion i wouldn't want live in your mess where you can find a lot of people who have problem of identity, problem of violence!
Continuous to hate the haitians, a day you will lost your hispanic dream!


and as usual the moron that is you come to this site and throws shots at dominicans and blame us for everything that has happen to your pathedic pro black first and f the rest mentality , how you hostly expect one third world country to save another third world country ? you have a serrious case of illlusions of grander,
Written by: hellborn25, 1 Dec 2011 8:20 PM
From: United States, New Jersey Home of the brave.
Along with a ideology that you really need to evaluate again and reassess
Written by: tunbagobierno, 1 Dec 2011 8:25 PM
From: United States
@the_haitian:

They will ask you for an ID or documentation?
Written by: tunbagobierno, 1 Dec 2011 8:28 PM
From: United States
KUYAYAMAN:

Nobody is offering you anything.


By the way,haven't we all seen your tired act before?
Written by: TorresRamirez, 1 Dec 2011 8:48 PM
From: United States, Haze gray, underway
Guille

Y que fue? I'm surprised. I cant even argue that because even though most wont accpet what you said, it is the PLAIN truth and most logical way to handle the situation.
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 1 Dec 2011 9:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Never forgotten, never forsaken. 168-13 IRREVOCABLE.
Kakaman, you are losing your mind, if there's so many jobs there how
Come we're getting haitians by the truck load?
Care to elaborate?
Written by: RBenito, 1 Dec 2011 9:15 PM
From: United States, Boca Raton
Let's get the facts right- this law applies to poor Haitians that cross the border to find Jobs.
I have seen how the Haitians with money are being treated! They even go places where I can only dream about going. I saw a Dr. pulling a Haitian from a waiting room that had Dominicans waiting for hours...
All these DT readers are so ignorant ; especially the ones leaving in the USA...
Written by: the_haitian, 1 Dec 2011 10:08 PM
From: United States, west orange new jersey
I know go to dr so often that I know more places then most dominican on dt. I am haitian but when I am in dr I speak creole when I meet. My brother. English when I am with my friend . The dominican treat diferent or better then dominican for one reason. Us green
Written by: tunbagobierno, 1 Dec 2011 11:13 PM
From: United States
the_haitian:

Focus please.

Written by: guillermone, 1 Dec 2011 11:34 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
Kakaman is a MASISI .............ha, ha, ha, ha............

No I am wrong, he is one hell of a BIG, crazy MASISI..............
Written by: guillermone, 1 Dec 2011 11:48 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
TorresRamirez-"Y que fue? I'm surprised. I cant even argue that because even though gmost wont accpet what you said, it is the PLAIN truth and most logical way to handle the situation."

I am glad you understand and see my point. We need to face facts, but above all reality, we are stuck like siamese twins and there aint nobody coming over to help separate us. In fact it is totally the opposite, we are quietly being set up with increasing pressures for a possible unification. No matter how patriotic we feel, the potential is REAL. Don't kid yourselves, it is staring us in the face and most people deny and refuse to accept it

So we got to figure out a peaceful, non-controversial way to avoid that and the only most logical thing I could think of is to just legitimately give these so called "stateless" people what constitutionally belongs to them-- issue Haitians citizenship papers with the full authorization of the Haitian government. I do not see any other way out.
Written by: guillermone, 1 Dec 2011 11:48 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
TorresRamirez-"Y que fue? I'm surprised. I cant even argue that because even though gmost wont accpet what you said, it is the PLAIN truth and most logical way to handle the situation."

I am glad you understand and see my point. We need to face reality, we are stuck like siamese twins and there aint nobody coming over to help separate us. In fact it is totally the opposite, we are being quietly set up with increasing pressure for a possible unification.

So we got to figure out a peaceful, non-controversial way to avoid that and the only most logical thing I could think of is to just legitimately give these so called "stateless" people what constitutionally belongs to them-- issue Haitians citizenship papers with the full authorization of the Haitian government. I do not see any other way out.
Written by: the_haitian, 2 Dec 2011 12:18 AM
From: United States, west orange new jersey
i understand dominican want illegal haitian to leave, but they allso want legal one to leave to.but the fact of the matter it is dominican own doing. hiring. cheap labor making sure they status never change and their offsping. they have a pool wor to allways pick from. your gov, buss. leaders has done this to you.if you have a problem talk to them
Written by: cantave, 2 Dec 2011 1:18 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Same old tired rhetoric and rants coming from the Minicanos.
Blah,Blah Blah. Haitino this Haitiano that.
Can you Minicanos try once and for all speaking about something positive.
You Minicanos are haunted by the ghosts of 1844.

1844 is long gone.

Semper Fidelis.......................
Written by: ELPAPA999, 2 Dec 2011 1:26 PM
From: United States, California
@RBenito,
Money talk, if Haiti was a rich coutry things would be different, being dark skin like me wouln't matter.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 2 Dec 2011 3:35 PM
From: United States
Guillemone is on the money.
1. The undocumented offsprngs need documentation but I'm sure their parents don't have papers either. This is a situation created by the Haitian govt and one that could easily be remedied by the new Haitian govt. All it takes is la gana of doing what is right for your own people.
However something should be given showing date of your birth and hospital. With this illegals born in DR can get their Haitian I'd and citizenship.

2. As Yucahu says " there's the border, go get your papers". Its up to the Haitians to give identity to their children. Trying to get us to identify their offsprings as Dominicans is just a means to democratically turn DR into Haiti- East. Tallk about haunting Cantave.
Written by: guillermone, 2 Dec 2011 6:47 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
Catave is Puerto Rican and because he has no vested interest in the short but above all the long term destiny of the DR, he could care less what happens to us socially, economically and politically.

Ironically, it was precisely a Dominican who was also part Puerto Rican, warned us years ago of the perment potential threat we face from our neighbors next door.
Written by: the_haitian, 2 Dec 2011 7:07 PM
From: United States, west orange new jersey
@ guiller Who was that peron I would love to google him?
Written by: cantave, 2 Dec 2011 8:08 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Ironically, it was precisely a Dominican who was also part Puerto Rican, warned us years ago of the perment potential threat we face from our neighbors next door.???
______________________________________________________________________________________
What What what???????
Who's that bozo,put his name out,warned Minicanos about what???
Well Minicano only one solution you got is to saw the island in half and let each part drift away.
And then you all wake up it was just a dream.

Semper Fidelis........................
Written by: babylindbergh, 2 Dec 2011 8:13 PM
From: United States
If they were white children it would be a different story. How racist!
Written by: venganzaderafael, 2 Dec 2011 9:28 PM
From: United States
Babylindbergh
As long as they don't speak french
Written by: cantave, 2 Dec 2011 11:37 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Crazy a$$ Minicanos,tricks are for kidz.

Semper Fidelis................ Iraq mission finally over for good.

See yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Written by: guillermone, 3 Dec 2011 2:55 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
He was a brilliant, most astute, cunning political figure in the history of the DR, who knew the Dominican Rep well and its people inside and out, that was Joaquin Balaguer.
And he spelled it out clearly in black and white in his book:

"La isla al revés: Haití y el destino dominicano"
by Joaquín Balaguer
Written by: guillermone, 3 Dec 2011 2:58 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
"En este libro se analiza, quizás por primera vez, ese problema con absoluta imparcialidad, y se señala valientemente la imperiosa necesidad de que ambos pueblos busquen fórmulas de avenencias y despejen de incomprensiones y de prejuicios estériles la senda marcada a ambos inexorablemente por el destino que los condena a vivir como dos hermanas siamesas de un mismo rincón insular bajo signos históricos políticamente distintos pero no necesariamente adversos. República Dominicana y Haití"
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 3 Dec 2011 3:59 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

What happens to a child born of both, an undocumented Haitian, and a documented Dominican?
Serious question.
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 3 Dec 2011 4:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Never forgotten, never forsaken. 168-13 IRREVOCABLE.
RON, the child would be Dominican.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 3 Dec 2011 4:25 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Thanks for the answer, Silent.

And would this Haitian, in particular, be allowed to remain in DR and given legal status?
Written by: guillermone, 4 Dec 2011 3:59 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
Dominican constitution states that if one of the two parents is Dominican and the child is born on Dominican soil then the child is Dominican. But that is law.

What the others want to do barge in, force upon their will not legally entitled.
Written by: RonEvane This user is banned, 4 Dec 2011 8:11 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland

Yes, Guillermone. Understood. But what I'd like to know is, if the illegal Haitian parent is given automatic residency or citizenship, or gets booted out anyway, you know?
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