No more double standard Dominican Authorities, you either help these people or send them all back.

Our Constitution is clear about the children of illegals, but you guys have no B@@LS, and these people are a nation within our nation; it's time to make a BALD decision about this issue.

A Dominican politician will never make a decision unless it benefits his or her pocket.

With over a million haitians on this side and a nation of haitians on the other side of the border, I doubt the dominicans are ready to grow any balls or ready for a civil war

I have no problem giving these Haitian paper, provide it they can prove they have been leaving here in DR...my only consent is, once you give these folk paper what is to stop the next wave of foreigner or Haitian coming in and demanding the same right, where do the government drop the line ???

i would send them back , we have too many of them over there , the country could hardly support itself .

If the law is clear enough like the water, why are these people ignorant enough to forget about what the law demands and start these protests that lead to nothing productive?

Send them all back, if them or their parents didn't reach DR by legal means then they have no right to protest.. Send them all back...

I'll do what the americans do

send them all back and give them applications to file for residency FROM haiti, pay a 30,000.00 dominican pesos and a note that says " don't call us , we call you"

According to BlogHaHaHa, a Haitian blogger on this site, Haiti is now the envy of the world and everyone is busting to go there, so maybe someone should pass on the good news to these folk?

mardito trujillo no termino el trabajo , mira ahora lo que esta pasando con estas gentes , aorita hacen una guerra civil para tomar control de el pais como hicieron en mil seicientos con los franceces . fuera cocolia .

OH bunch of idiots, those people who claim their certificates are not HAITIANS. THEY ARE BORN IN YOUR MESS! THey speak only spanish! they eat your food!
THEY ARE DOMINICANS LIKE YOU! You claim you have too many illegals in your country and now you make more illegals by denaturalisation of the DOMINICANS.
It's only in your mess we can see that! this law is not a good law, stop to lie yourself dudes!
Your country prefer give the certificates with the palestinians!
GOOD LUCK WHEN YOU WILL OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE A LOT OF CHINESE AND PALESTINIAN TAKE YOUR COUNTRY.

@ Roy Stone Perhaps these links will give you a glimpse of what is happening in haiti. whttp://www.miamiherald.com/2011/1....ndreds-of-investors-in-haiti.html
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/1....-interview-haiti-leader-says.html
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/1....e-black-gold-of-haiti-coffee.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr07xIE8HOA

A birth certificate cant do no harm. The Dominican Republic should adopt a policy like the Turks and Caicos Islands, who also has a problem with illegal Haitians. They do grant a birth Certificate but it does not mean citizenship. This is so the Haitians can have no excuse in getting Haitians documents once the birth is properly established,. And they also have an option to file for residency once they attain the age of 21 years.

PatDiamond,
I read some of your links, thanks. What point were you trying to make?

"it's time to make a BALD decision about this issue"

As opposed to a TOUPEE decision?

My question is this:
If a child of an illegal Haitian immigrant is born in a Dominican hospital, and is given a Birth Certificate, would that allow the parents to stay, in the way "anchor babies" do for illegal immigrants to the USA?

Roy

Haitians don't need an anchor baby to stay in dr, they do stay at will, heck Haitian cross the border just to give birth do to the fact that in haiti human rights don't exist at all, to top that off the Haitian government encourage this practice by neglecting their population and denying proper maternity care for their citizens specially those that live around the border region, i'm pretty sure u r familiar with the term valcanization, haiti main export is poverty and DR is the number one customer, familiarize yourself with Haitian history and you will understand that having a border with the poorest and most corrupt country in the western hemisphere is a curse for anyone, if haiti have border with the us, the gringos would build a fence all around haiti to contain the voodoo kids from spreading. The truth hurts, and the afro lambon NGO liberal dusche bag don't wanna know this

Another nugget of information that this mal agradecio won't tell you is that among all nations the only nation that received them, nurture them and allows them to prosper basically uncheck for generations is the Dominican republic, they can say all they want about dr but we still treat'm better than Jamaica, the Bahamas, the cayman island and cuba, I still remember when bill clinton was president one of many haitian crisis broke out, I think this happened prior to the us invasion of haiti to depose roil cedras a boat with like 500 Haitians try to land in american shores only to me returned to haiti, clinton even ask panama to offer temporary refuge to these people and panama told the clinton administration to shovel those Haitians where the sun don't shine, this is no joke look it up

@ old school since the dominican has done all that for the haitian maybe its time for dr to educate you in your land of paradise

Hatiano if it wasn't for the generosity and tolerance of the Dominican people your parents probably would've sold you into slavery,

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Written by: troy310879, 8 Dec 2011 8:52 PM
From: Turks and Caicos Islands
A birth certificate cant do no harm. The Dominican Republic should adopt a policy like the Turks and Caicos Islands, who also has a problem with illegal Haitians. They do grant a birth Certificate but it does not mean citizenship. This is so the Haitians can have no excuse in getting Haitians documents once the birth is properly established,. And they also have an option to file for residency once they attain the age of 21 years.
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This is ALREDAY in place on DR, is called Libro de Extranjeria, it grants a NAME to the child, and grants NO CITIZENSHIP

I agree with Troy. What is the harm in giving out birth certificates? It identifies them and allows for further Haitian identification documents. Its kind of hard for them to get Haitian ID if they have no identifying documents and can't even speak creole. Giving them birth certificates is not giving them legal status, though I feel we should legalize these long time residents and their descendents.

We can use this as a bargaining chip with the international community to take in some of the recent refugees in return.

eliminate them.

The birth certificate that concedes the citinzenship is WHITE, the other one is PINK, they want the WHITE, so far so good...the problem comes becasue many of them were declared by other people and there are a number of frauds on their declarations, that is the issue here.

We need to act now before it's too late... We need to take advantage of the situation and get it over with...else our identity and way of life will be adulturated by cocolodians

If there's a civil war, as some have implied, know this fact HAITIAN'S WILL LOSE!

We kicked your ass before we will do so again!

Why aren't these haitian being so proactive in their own country? leave it to someone else to take care of your mess, RIGHT HAITIANS?

They talk thrash about DR all the time, but yet they keep coming in herds... Ungrateful is what they are.....

The law is clear true, however people have the rights to challenge a law that they feel is unfair, like they did in the 60's in united states and recently south africa

Hopefully, you are not suggesting that the state should do away with people freedom of expression. What you should understand, you cannot have half democracy.

@antonioj,
Are you referring to the African-American Civil Rights Movement (1955–1968) and South Africa under Apartheid (1948-1994)? I'm missing the correlation with these events and the issue of illegal Haitian immigration in Dominican Rep.

@ Arcangel
That is the problem with the type of mentality we are dealing with here. These people think they have legal rights in our sovereign territory. I sympathize with the descedant's plight but any concessions we may grant them is from benevolence not obligation. The only obligation the DR government has to the illegal Haitian immigrants and their descendants is to make sure they are not abused as they are being escorted to the border.

Under the United Nations Convention of which the Dominican Republic is a signatory, this country has an obligation to refugees. However by definition, Haitians are not refugees. Also the situation in Haiti is largely of their own making. They didn't cause the earthquake, however earthquakes are a high probability in this region, and to construct buildings without taking this in to account is irresponsible in the extreme. Maybe the same applies here?

Arcangel96

You seem to have missed the gist of my argument, the correlation is very clear people have the rights to challenge a law that seem unfair, regardless if you agree or not, put aside their Nationality.

Now, if you elect to ignore such facts that is pure hindsight bias in your part. You may want to go around claiming to be a democrat only when the laws side with your ideology, with this mind a fair and just society may not be what you are aiming for.

Saludos

You know the same applies here. In retrospect it could have happened here in which case the capitol's enttire population of 1mil + could have moved to Haiti along with another mil from around the country and I wonder how the poor overwhelmed Haitians would react. "Minicanos go home".

@ Venganza

Exactly

I sometimes wonder why Haitians born in the island of the Bahamas stage a protest similar to this one, do they get citizenship over there, how about Jamaica, I know for a fact that Jamaican authorities don't even let them touch land

venganzaderafael,
Don't worry. Remember after the Japanese earthquake, Leo held a conference with seismologists, last time he visited the Dominican Republic? I'm sure if the big one comes during his presidency, like flash, with the strength and determination of Superman, he will call another meeting (if he's in the country at the time). If Hipo's in power, he'll have a seance and get advice from Trujillo.

Actually Antonio you have a valid point. In a just society even the weakest members have a right to a voice. I have commented that they should be given identification documents, after all they are culturally Dominicans. The question is where do you draw the line. At the rate they're being dropped Dominicans would be a minority in our own country within 2 more generations.
(Though the men far outnumber women Haitian births make up 50% in maternity wards).

Therefore though I sympathize the descendent's present situation cannot be resolved until a good portion of the overflow of illegal immigrants are taken care of, whether by repatraing or asylum in other countries.

Never trust a wh ite female if she s in tears ( she s lying) if she s in tears
They are Patological liars

MANHATTAN SUPREME COURT — Former WABC weather woman Heidi Jones was indicted on charges she made a false rape claim last year, prosecutors said Wednesday. Jones, 37, allegedly admitted to making up a story that a "Hispanic" attacker tried to rape her in Central Park on Sept. 24.

She pleaded not guilty to two counts of falsely reporting an incident and is scheduled to return to court on Aug. 17. Her attorney, Paul Callan, said he will ask to have the case dismissed on the grounds that she was denied her right to a speedy trial because it is a misdemeanor case.  Jones was arrested on . She was released without bail.

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It was disclosed in her trial that Smith was molested in her teens by her stepfather, who admitted that he had molested her when she was a teenager and had consensual sex with her as an adult. Her biological father committed suicide when she was 6 years old and she very rarely had a stable home life. At 13, she attempted suicide. After graduating from high school in 1989, she made a second attempt.[8]
At one time she was incarcerated in the Administrative Segregation Unit in the Women's Correctional Center in Columbia, South Carolina.[9] While she has been in prison, two guards have been punished for having sex with Smith: Lt. Houston Cagle and Capt. Alfred R. Rowe Jr.[10] Because of this she was moved to a prison in Greenwood where she is currently held, and in 2003 she placed a personal ad at WriteAPrisoner.com which has since been retracted.[11]

I just want remind those on here bashing that , what the Haitians are facing now , is the same thing the Mexicans are Facing .just go on the CNN page and see how they insult Mexicans
Besides aren't Dominicans Boat People also didn't 95 or something died
As long as there a border separating 2 nations the poorer nation will always try to look for jobs .
Pakistan and India for example yet same shade of people.
You people are pathetic fools
If Haiti was richer they'd have a border problem as well.
Fools..

Guilty Verdict in Killing of Long Island Man

Kirsten Luce for The New York Times
Joselo Lucero, left, and his mother Maria Rosario Lucero visited the spot where his brother, Marcelo Lucero, was killed in Patchogue in 2008.


RIVERHEAD, N.Y. — The white teenager accused of killing an Ecuadorean immigrant in a racially motivated attack was convicted on Monday of manslaughter as a hate crime, in a case that put a spotlight on anti-Hispanic violence on Long Island.
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That could had been any or you Haitian or Dominican.

Media reports and national and local data showed a dramatic rise in violence against people of Hispanic origin (Latinos). The violence has indiscriminately targeted both U.S. citizens and foreigners, and both legal and illegal immigrants, and has has taken place amidst recent mainstreaming of anti-immigrant rhetoric and fears.


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In the hate crime report for 2006, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said there were 819 victims of crimes targeting people of Hispanic origin, making up 62.8 percent of the 1,305 victims of hate crimes motivated by ethnicity or national origin in 2006. The 819 victims represented 8.5 percent of the total 9,652 victims of hate crimes. In contrast, there were 595 reported Hispanic victims in 2003, 6.5 percent of the total.


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The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) revealed a 35 percent rise in hate crimes against people of Hispanic origin between 2003 and 2006—based on an analysis of Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) crime reports. An FBI spokesman interviewed by National Public Radio confirmed the 35 percent rise. The incidents reported ranged from vandalism to violent assaults, arson, and murder. The SPLC report added that “experts believe that such crimes are typically carried out by people who think they are attacking immigrants.”

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A review of the record of antiblack hate crimes in 2007 and the first half of 2008 reveals a pattern of both serious crimes—including murder, sexual assaults, and beatings—and of everyday violence affecting daily lives of ordinary people, often at the hands of neighbors, coworkers, or fellow students; in their homes, schools, churches, and elsewhere in their own communities.

In many cases, hate crimes against black Americans echoed past policies, practices, and societal norms of racial segregation. Black families faced harassment and violence expressly intended to drive them out of particular neighborhoods; black workers were made unwelcome in predominantly white workplaces, black students faced harassment and violence at schools, and black churches were targeted for racist graffiti and arson.


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The FBI’s hate crime report for 2006 recorded 3,332 victims of antiblack bias crimes, in 2,640 incidents. This represented 66.4 percent of the victims of racial bias crimes, and 34.5 percent of the 9,652 victims of hate crimes overall. Of 2,042 total offenses, 65 percent were crimes against persons (in contrast to 56.5 percent of such crimes among hate crime offenses overall). Higher rates were reported only in anti-Hispanic crimes (72.8 percent) and sexual orientation bias crimes (71 percent). The FBI breakdown identified one antiblack bias homicide and three cases of forcible rape. There were 395 cases of aggravated assault, 564 of simple assault, and 1,079 of intimidation. Crimes against property totaled 1,088, including 9 cases of arson and 980 cases of “destruction/damage/ vandalism.”

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The results are no less tragic for being predictable: Although hate crime statistics are highly unreliable, numbers that are available strongly suggest a marked upswing in racially motivated violence against all Latinos, regardless of immigration status. According to hate crime statistics published annually by the FBI, anti-Latino hate crimes rose by almost 35% between 2003 and 2006, the latest year for which statistics are available.

What follows is a representative sampling of some of the more egregious examples of physical and psychological violence waged against Latinos over the past two-and-a-half years. The perpetrators range from racist skinheads to rogue Border Patrol agents to otherwise everyday citizens who took it upon themselves to repel an "invader," terrorize a "criminal alien," or exterminate a "cockroach."

Immigration Backlash
Hate Crimes Against Latinos Flourish


There's no doubt that the tone of the raging national debate over immigration is growing uglier by the day. Once limited to hard-core white supremacists and a handful of border-state extremists, vicious public denunciations of undocumented brown-skinned immigrants are increasingly common among supposedly mainstream anti-immigration activists, radio hosts and politicians. While their dehumanizing rhetoric typically stops short of openly sanctioning bloodshed, much of it implicitly encourages or even endorses violence by characterizing immigrants from Mexico and Central America as "invaders," "criminal aliens" and "cockroaches."

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11 Tucson teachers sue Arizona over new 'anti-Hispanic' schools law

@antonioj,
Con todo respeto, Yes!, I didn't get the "gist of [your] argument," because you are using language/imagery that does not apply to the current situation. The fundamental aimed of the African American civil rights movement, in United States, was to outlaw racial discrimination against its own black citizens. The issue in Dominican Rep., is that illegal Haitian immigrants are demanding citizenship, when based on our constitution, it does not apply. The rights of Dominicans of Haitian descendent, those that are Dominican citizens, are not being infringe upon, are not being curtailed, like it was in the case of African American citizens in the 1960's.