Written by: martin, 3 Feb 2011 10:39 AM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
Voy al pinto
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Cockfighting is big business.
They won't touch it.
Although, some provinces in Spain have lately outlawed the bull fights.
Maybe civilization has a chance against greed and bloodthirsty barbarians.
Written by: Belly, 3 Feb 2011 11:11 AM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
WalterPolo
Are you a vegetarian?
Written by: Belly, 3 Feb 2011 11:15 AM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
I have to laugh here.
We cannot even provide milk properly to school kids in a safe manner and now they want to introduce a bill to protect animals. What's next? a bill to reduce oxygen intake per day per person in public places.
How about a bill that says
"The government is NOT allow to introduce no laws or bills until we learn to follow the existing ones in place."
From: United States
This is a lazy,no life people sport...only in dr!
From: United States
Can you imagine?
"they reject a bill aimed at increasing the protection of animals"
This country is a laugh riot. Do something for the people you are supposed to help.
From: United States
This bill, not unlike others designed to curb the few pleasure activities of the poor are ALL the result of outside influences from groups of nosey activists who want to tell Dominicans how to live in their own country.
Those people should go elsewhere. They won't hesitate to step over a crowd of people who are languishing in poverty to help some stupid Chicken! Banish them. Let them go back home and tell people how to live.
Written by: Lopez31, 3 Feb 2011 11:46 AM
From: United States
Jarabacoa,
that's a pretty bold statement! the cockfighting is not just a sport in the Dominican Republic its also part of our history and culture.
From: United States, New York City
"This is a lazy,no life people sport...only in dr!"
Cockfighting is not confined to DR by any means.
Written by: xwill7, 3 Feb 2011 12:04 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
put jim and gmil in the ring... they will loose!
From: United States
Lopez reminds
that's a pretty bold statement! the cockfighting is not just a sport in the Dominican Republic its also part of our history and culture.
cockfighting is part of the history and culture of the DR. so was slavery in the USA. i guess slavery should have been allowed to continue, if we apply the logic of Lopez.
From: United States, New York City
"cockfighting is part of the history and culture of the DR. so was slavery in the USA. i guess slavery should have been allowed to continue, if we apply the logic of Lopez."
Cockfighting and slavery...apples and oranges.
Written by: xwill7, 3 Feb 2011 12:43 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Its all about $... Even pro ball players are deep into this sport
Written by: martin, 3 Feb 2011 1:04 PM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
U right xwill from politicians 2 pro ball pleyers on it Bet a ton a of money
From: United States
Cibaeno reminds
Cockfighting and slavery...apples and oranges.
depends where you sit. there are some people in this world who are just as passionate about cruelty to animals as they are about cruelty to humans. just ask Michael Vick.
Written by: xwill7, 3 Feb 2011 2:01 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Just look for the guy telling you that el gallo prieto will win
Written by: lovingit, 3 Feb 2011 3:01 PM
From: United States, Delaware
Unlike Dog fighting, at least the roosters and bulls serve as food after they perish in battle.
I am not a cockfighting fan, but roosters fight each other anyways with or without espectators whether they grow in the wild or are in a farm, so I say keep the traditions alive and do not let any international pressure change what we are.
I think this is a far greater crime:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/201....000-roosters-killed_n_817669.htmlAbout 1,000 roosters confiscated during the weekend bust of a Ventura County, California cockfighting ring. The roosters have been euthanized. Now nobody wins and the roosters will not even be good for consuming.
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... ((You're blind to the fact that you're blind))
WOW, this is the first time , that I hear or read about a bill going threw a public hearing. Normaly, the way things are done in DR, the government never asks for a public opinion. Then again, Lee-FLEA is not in town, from what I have gathered, had leo been here, I believe a public hearing would have never taken place. Why waiste time doing something , when you get the same results doing nothing...
Leo doesn't even show the ability to hold a DEBATE, an educated person that knows the outcome of a oneway debate, wouldn't go to one either. SMART MAN Lee-FLEA, out of sight out of mind. This is the way he runs things.
FAILED state with and EMPTY suit.
I wonder what are the ODDs of leo getting struck by lightning and if so, would it be considered an assasination or and act of GOD. I know that the ODDs of you getting spiked in the heart by a manta ray while swimming above it fully clothed is 100,000,000 / 1. DATs Nuckin Futs
Written by: juanb, 3 Feb 2011 3:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
That's right.
Don't let anybody change what we are. We are blood lusting barbarians and proud of it.
Written by: yumnuk3, 3 Feb 2011 3:45 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
Cockfighting fighting is plain stupid!
Written by: danny00, 3 Feb 2011 4:22 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
Written by: juanb, 3 Feb 2011 3:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
That's right.
Don't let anybody change what we are. We are blood lusting barbarians and proud of it.
TALK FOR YOU SELF, PROUD OF IT? WHAT ARE U PROUD OF?
Written by: danny00, 3 Feb 2011 4:24 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
iam not feeling very proud when they lynch people in the dr with-out a chance for their day in a court. {what happens when u lynch the wrong person?}
Written by: riosm, 3 Feb 2011 4:31 PM
From: United States
GeeWhizMiller261,
LOL Where's the Dominican version of PETA when you need'um huh ?
LOLouder Oh ! I know their probably at "pollo loco" or "KFC" eating fried chicken lickin.
LOevenlouder In California alone there are more cock fights in one month then there are in the DR in one year, and it's illegal in the U.S.
On the serous side......
I don't know who's worst the promoters, gamblers or the spectators.
From: United States, Earth
Tradition, Culture, History are things that we all value. But they should not extend to the point where it encourages the death of animals. Its no different than Dog Fighting in the US/Russia/Philippines etc. Yes it does make money, and perhaps it could be considered 'part' of culture (sub-culture more aptly) or tradition, but at the end of the day, it is WRONG. Breeding animals to be aggressive and then putting them face to face and encouraging them to fight is barbaric, uncivilized and shows a gross disrespect for the life that GOD gives those animals. Humans can breed animals together but we can not CREATE animals, that is God's creation, not ours. So to exploit and abuse it for 'sport' is not right. And I'm sure the SAME people who champion this sport are the first ones to criticize and categorize the customs and traditions of others as backwards and uncivilized, as if watching two birds rip each other apart for fun is an example of social refinement. Sin verguenzas..
Written by: danny00, 3 Feb 2011 4:38 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
0 Written by: juanb, 3 Feb 2011 3:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
That's right.
Don't let anybody change what we are. We are blood lusting barbarians and proud of it.
OK! SO NOW I CAN MAKE YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE GO UP.
JUST MAYBE ITS NOT THE COCKFIGHTING U ENJOY SO MUCH JUST MAYBE ITS ONLY THE COCK U ENJOY? U KNOW THAT THEIR ARE PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD THAT CARE ABOUT OTHERS? AND THEIR ARE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROTECT ANIMALS ALSO IN THIS WORLD?
Written by: martin, 3 Feb 2011 4:38 PM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
Oo shit dirty Danny00 is back.
Written by: danny00, 3 Feb 2011 4:47 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
ONLY THE COMMENTS ON THE STORY BELOW AND 28 ON THE COKFIGHTING. WHAT A WASTE , WITH THE TIME SPENT LIKE THIS THE DR WILL NEVER CHANGE FOR THE GOOD.
Unions: Dominican Central Bank figures on staples an abuse
Santo Domingo.- The country’s major workers’ unions and community leaders rebuked the Central Bank assertion on the cost of basic staples, calling the figures disclosed by the financial regulator an abuse.
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Written by: martin, 3 Feb 2011 4:53 PM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
God bless DR
From: United States, Earth
@lovingit - That is just an attempt to justify it. 'oh, its ok because its serves as food'. Perhaps SOMETIMES it serves as food, but don't act like every Cock that dies winds up as a meal because that is NOT the case. MANY times the animals are simply thrown out because in a realistic Cock Fight situation there is MORE INTEREST IN WINNING MONEY ON BETS than it is on rushing up to scoop up a dead Cock, pluck it, clean it and preserve it so that it can become a meal later. No, it does not work like that and you know it. That is not logical, why? Because MONEY is the most important thing. What is the urgency in preserving one bird for a meal when there HUNDREDS and THOUSANDS of Dollars in circulation?? I respect people's tradition and history, I have my own. But it should NOT come with the shed blood of people or animals. Lastly, Roosters ARE naturally aggressive but nature does not breed them TO fight, nor does it put them in a situation were fighting is obligatory.
Written by: curios1, 3 Feb 2011 5:44 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
lets ask the rooster. my self i would much rather watch men in the ring. at least one can say hes had enough or the ref can speak for him. maybe the owners of the roosters could fight . and the roosters could deside when they have had enough.
Written by: bernies, 3 Feb 2011 6:04 PM
From: United States, key west fl
The liverals wants to rule the planet. How about kick boxing should that be penalize as well since it is all about money.
From: Haiti
What a stupid uhmm - what is it? This is definitely not a sport. This is abuse to animals. Bull fighting is an abuse to animals. I don't know who is worse, the cock fighters, bullfighters, or the KFC corporation who mistreats the chicken they produce for consumption. Idiots!
From: United States, new england
You stupid liberals are what turning DR into Haiti. I say keep ALL our tradition alive including cockfighting.
From: United States, new england
@ Super_love You hate cockfighting ? Fine. But you Haitians should understand that DR is NOT Haiti.
From: Haiti
Cockfighting is a tradition? They used to say that about the gladiator sport of lion fighting. I am happy they got rid of that idea. We fry, bake, broil, barbeque, eat chicken, eat their eggs - what more must we do? Put little tiny machetes on their feet and sharpen their beaks and make them duke it out. What next, a chicken chat line?
Every time I see a bull fight on tv, I am actually rooting for the the bull. I wish that someone would train the bull to bite that idiot in the balls.
From: United States, Earth
@delgado - This has less to do with DR customs and traditions and more to do with general decency and morality. Cock fighting is NOT unique to the Dominican Republic and it is MUCH more developed in other places like Peru, Brazil and Mexico. So its not like its some unique, cultural jewel that is endemic to the Dominican Republic. It also has nothing to do with Haiti. Wrong is wrong. EVERY culture has their customs, traditions, cultural behaviors etc, but these should never come at the expense of blood shed, ESPECIALLY if the main driving forces are Money and Sport. Biting a Head off a Chicken, Watching 2 Roosters tear each other to shreds....Potato, Batata. (Not much difference). @Bernies - Kickboxing is comprised of 2 people who have the mental ability and physical ability to not fight if they choose to. This is NOT the case with Cock Fighting. They are faced off against each other and if one does not want to fight it can't just walk back home as a conscientious objector.
Written by: curios1, 3 Feb 2011 8:54 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
im curios is cock fighting a growing tradition or vanishing.
Written by: RoyStone, 3 Feb 2011 9:05 PM
From: Australia
I live within meters of a DR cock-fighting ring. When the ¨sport¨ is on, a high-powered sound system and generator is used to blast massive decibels of DR noise pollution (Meringue and Hip-Hop) into the neighborhood, punctuated by the cheering of the brain-dead DR men drunk on beer and blood-lust.
This is a cultural tradition to be preserved?
Christian DR has one of the highest levels of violent crime in the world, and consider their environment a convenient rubbish tip. Now the government want to introduce legislation to curb animal cruelty?
Ha ha ha!
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
what do they have a peta organisation now , a bill to protects animals ? in DR ? whats next a bill to protect the haitians ?
From: United States, Earth
@cibaeño - "Cockfighting and slavery...apples and oranges." True, but still both fruits from the same tree rooted in barbarity. And you are right it is not unique to the Dominican Republic, another reason why the 'its a special Dominican Tradition' argument is weak to begin with.
@cbelk - I honestly can never really understand what you are saying.
Written by: RoyStone, 4 Feb 2011 1:44 AM
From: Australia
Haiti was the richest colony in the Americas. They expelled most of the whites and killed the rest.
Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe was the richest colony in Africa. They did the same, now look where they are.
Coincidence? Maybe I´m racist.
From: United States
Can you say "Third World"? Barbaric.....simply barbaric. And yet some wish to preserve this as a sacred tradition? This is with what the D.R. wants to be identified? Cock fighting? My gosh! We are now in the 21st century ----21st!
Written by: martin, 4 Feb 2011 9:25 AM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
Big shit hoss. Please american are worst go on youtube look for a america cock fight u wll find million of video dude and not just cock alone
Written by: xwill7, 4 Feb 2011 11:17 AM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Don't they have these fights in PR too?
From: United States
I love the double moral here.Here in USA cuz they don't allow cock fighting stupid people call'em barbaric.
What about the death penalty, the ultimate barbaric act against human kind?
I guess here in America is the most barbaric country in the world them, and all of us that are supporting that must be criminal as well.
From: United States
ohhvictor, the death penalty is not federal legislation in the USA. it is a states rights issue. not all states have it. places like Texas do, but many states do not have it. even states with the death penalty on the books do not actually exercise it.tell me how many people have been executed in New York in the last 20 years.
From: United States
Dreadlocks , I live in Florida, with a lot of hispanic people that love cockfighting , a lot of tv shows presenting how they arrest cockfighting promoters..But they don't show that Florida is the second state in execution after Texas...
If somebody really support and have a double moral, I invite them to see how a human being is carbonized trowing flames trough his eyes in an electric chair.
Once again, cockfighting means nothing them..You can not be over protecting animal lives and extremely disrespect human life..
I am answering some questions of people that call barbaric to cock fighters ( something that I am not). Barbaric are the pseudo humans that support killing another human being , even when they don't have the guts to watch it with their own eyes ( the majority by the way).
Isn't America a country with a stupid double moral?
Written by: riosm, 4 Feb 2011 12:45 PM
From: United States
All Latin American Country's have cock fighting. In Mexico where the local population looks at this as a number one past time sport, the winner [owner] banks, breeding and bragging rights, and the loser gets turned into a chicken feast.
I will admit I would never go to any one of these events.
HERE I GO AGAIN.......
Funny how many of those ultra liberal, animal rights, social justice and the environmentalist folks who oppose animal cruelty IGNORE the abortions [blood convenience] of Human beings and use the excuse of a "It's a womans right to choose" after all the woman choose to get pregnant in the first place.....another excuse for human behavior or ill responsibility ?
And to think....leave it to nature to become full term....they can then join there ranks.
I remember about 20 years ago where a woman in San Francisco wanted an abortion preformed on her cat......you should seen the ultra left liberal outrage.
From: United States
@ Dread
the death penalty is not federal legislation in the USA. it is a states rights issue. not all states have it
The Federal Gov't can't mandate the death panalty but it did suspend State right to carry out the death panalty 1972 - 1988.
This can hardly be debated in a discussion about chicken fighting in the DR. How's about folks work on increasing the standard of living for PEOPLE 1st?
From: United States
@RIOSM
""Funny how many of those ultra liberal, animal rights, social justice and the environmentalist folks who oppose animal cruelty IGNORE the abortions""
No. It's REALLY funny how many of those ultra conservative right wing nuts want fetuses to develop full term so that they can be raised in the seedy underbelly of their society until they grow up after a life of misery and deprivation just to demand their executions as adults.
Stop a crime
Save a dime
Mind your business
From: United States
pleasuretour
+10
Written by: xwill7, 4 Feb 2011 1:43 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Many of these places have live music
From: Haiti
hellborn25,
There is a bill to protect the Haitians. It was written by Cesfront Dominicana.
From: Haiti
Question:
Can people who get the bird flu eat chicken noodle soup?
Written by: RoyStone, 4 Feb 2011 2:11 PM
From: Australia
ohhhvictor,
Your comparison between DR cock-fighting and some US state´s capital punishment is obscene.
Cock-fighting is purely blood-lust and deliberate cruelty to innocent animals, with a slow and painful death, for gambling and the entertainment of stupid barbaric men.
Capital punishment is by quick, painless lethal injection. It is only for proven serious crimes like mass murder and is to protect the lives of innocent people.
The fact that civilized people do not want to watch executions is not a sign of cowardice.
From: United States
@Roystone
The fact that you want to kill a human being is the most barbaric issue you can ever describe.
it's even in the ten commands in the bible.
There is no justification at all!
Cockfighting means nothing, animals that one way or other you are breeding, no pets, and you are going to eat it at the end of the road..
I find your justification extremely barbaric and horrendous. If someone commit a crime , put that person behind bars for 30 years to see if they can't regret what they did.
But in 21 st century , to be speaking of that ultra retrograde demagogy , is really stupid and useless
How the hell you are defending a stupid bird , and happily agree with the assassination of a human being?Do you want to solve a crime with another crime?I really found what you are saying obscene, the pinnacle of the nonsense.
Please don't insult our intelligence them...
Written by: pkaide1, 4 Feb 2011 3:30 PM
From: United States
To me it never has made any sense how come in the US so many people care more about a dog life than a human. Out of all civilized nations the US has more people in jail, than any other nation. And to make it worst in some states they continue putting people to death by means of their legal system. How barbaric is this? Have you been in a rodeo? Have you ever wonder what is done to the bull in these events. Please do not make me start.
From: United States, Earth
@ohhvictor - I respect your opinion, but you are off on this one. 1) Your comparisons are not even remotely applicable. Cock-fighting and the Death Penalty are distinctly different. These animals are BRED to be aggressive and continue to fight, they are put in a confined space face to face, they don't have to option to say, "I don't feel like it". The Death Penalty (as was mentioned) is not something to compare it too. Furthermore, the 99.9 of Death Penalty prisoners are NOT executed by the Electric Chair but rather LETHAL INJECTION. We are not talking about rounding up INNOCENT people, but rather high-profile CRIMINALS - serial murderers, rapist, child molesters and killers etc. So your reference to the Bible is NOT applicable. It shows that you might not be familiar with the Bible, because in many cases GOD requires Death for a Death - THAT is why the Bible says "eye for an eye", "SOUL FOR SOUL". I will say thought, that I don't think humans can judge, only God can.
From: United States, Earth
However, the Death Penalty is based off of THAT Principle in the Bible. Is it a necessarily carried out in the best way?? No, because humans make mistakes, innocent people are sent to prison sometimes until sufficient evidence comes to light, there is corruption etc etc. However, it is NOT barbaric to expect that a life should be given, if a life is taken. Because THAT principle comes from the Bible. Again, the Justice System often falls short of the right application OF that principle, but there is no barbarity is expecting justice for the innocent. Cock-Fighting, Bull Fighting, Dog Fighting its all wrong. Period. Tradition or not. It is the loss of life for the gain of money and the thrill of Sport. And that is simply not principally nor morally upright.
From: United States
I certainly agree with pkaide1..
People tend to be more concern about animal life than human life..Shame on them.
If you contribute to the assassination of a human being it , under any name you want to call it it's assassination.. and that makes you worst that the people you are killing.Period.
A lethal injection is not decent,human , painless at all. .. It sometimes takes 1 1/2 hour to work.The condemned man's prolonged writhing, gasping, and gagging caused a male witness to faint.
I've seen cockfighting but I can't ever watch your legal aberration. Can you?
Jesus never mention eye for an eye and 10 commands were clear.
The eye for an eye is still used in some archaic Islamic countries. If you child steal something from wall mart is it right to cut his hand?
That law was writing 3000 years ago, and to apply that in 21 st century makes us a society of animals..
NEVER EVER an animal life could be more important than human life ..If you disagree, them you are the
Written by: RoyStone, 4 Feb 2011 4:10 PM
From: Australia
ohhhvictor
I do not respect your opinion, I detest it.
I was not putting the case for capital punishment, which I oppose. I was pointing to the inhumane stupidity of comparing it with cock-fighting.
It is interesting that you quote from the Ten Commandments and the Bible, since like most Christians, you obviously know nothing about either. Sure one of the commandment is ¨thou shalt not kill¨. However another is you must stone to death anyone who works on a Saturday (Exodus and Deuteronomy). The Bible is also full of God instructing believers to commit murder, genocide, torture, rape, fraud, theft and environmental vandalism.
Read it if you can!
Written by: RoyStone, 4 Feb 2011 4:21 PM
From: Australia
If you want to know what the Bible actually says on the matter, (not what your paedophile priest says that it says) go to:
http://www.evilbible.com/Then if you don´t believe it, check the references in your own Bible (if you have one).
From: United States, Earth
@ohhvictor - You are correct, Jesus NEVER mentioned "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth", again, you show that you may not be familiar with the Bible. That scriptures is in Exodus 21:24, and those are the Judicial Decisions given to God's people BY God, not Jesus (his Son). That is why if you look at Chapter 20 it begins by saying, "And God proceeded to speak all these words..." Jesus does not appear until the Gospel accounts. These LAWS were given to God's people, that changed over time, which is why WE are no longer under the Mosaic Law code, however those laws are based on PRINCIPLES which DO NOT change, and that always apply. That is why Jesus said that the greatest Law was to - Love God with your whole heart, mind, soul and to love your neighbor as yourself - do unto others as you would like them to do to you etc. Many times people misapply those LAWS and forget the PRINCIPLES behind them. That is why I said the Principle IS there, but only God can judge. Not humans.
From: United States, Earth
And for the record I would never value the life of an Animal more than the life of a Human. Animals are less than humans, we have dominion over them. However, this does not mean that we can simply treat them any way we want. Their lives have value as well, and to kill them for Sport driven by Greed is not right.
From: Haiti
"Their lives have value as well, and to kill them for Sport driven by Greed is not right."
Thank you Bernard for saying it for me. Let the truth ring.
Written by: riosm, 4 Feb 2011 5:38 PM
From: United States
Pleasuretour,
The bottom line is........the lack of self respect and personal responsibility.
Written by: curios1, 4 Feb 2011 8:05 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
i say i say boy .this is important listen up here i got something to say . pay atention when im talking to ya. ya might learn somthing. now no self respecting rooster would enter himself into a cock fight. under his own free will . only a blood thursty money hungry rascal with no charecter would do something like that. now take all these ladies in the hen house. you dont see them fighting. WEEEEEEEEELLLLL! unless it over me. but i cant help it if im a good looking walking talking well groomed pile of feathers with a sharp beek . and a desire to stand up for my fellow rooster. thats what foghorn leghorn would say.......... i was curios if any one remembers foghorn leghorn ...... just thought i would through a little humor in.
Written by: abc200, 5 Feb 2011 12:51 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Written by: RoyStone, 5 Feb 2011 8:40 PM
From: Australia
BernardJeanPierre
Like most Christians, it seems you have lost the plot.
This blog is about barbaric cock-fighting, not your stupid, barbaric religion or your imaginary friend in the sky, Jesus. You book of mythology, the Bible is is riddled with contradictions, and justifies, promotes and even demands cruelty to humans and animals!
Written by: Badinage, 7 Feb 2011 12:06 PM
From: United States
Let’em fight.
Better to tolerate a small amount of barbarism than surrender entirely to a progressive totalitarianism that seems bent on creating an utterly sanitized, sterilized, hell on earth.
From: United States
@Roy
I respect your point of view Roy, if you want to believe in God or not.But that doesnt make you a better human being either.Once again , you should never EVER put animal life first before human life..
That's despicable.
Answering your faith question, a quote:“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.” St. Thomas Aquinas
Written by: RoyStone, 7 Feb 2011 4:37 PM
From: Australia
@ohhhvictor
Thank you for the quote - I have used that one myself at times.
Thomas Aquinas died in 1274, and lived in the early days of the Roman Catholic Inquisition, before Galileo, Newton, Darwin, Crick, etc. Unlike today, not all people who believed in God were uneducated, deluded or stupid. Regardless Aquinas´quote confirms that belief in God is irrational and illogical.
My point is, the existence or non-existence of God is not a matter of opinion or personal choice. Either God exists or he or she does not. Period. Faith, by definition, means believing something in the total absence of evidence, as is the case with the Christian God, where there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The Christian churches make a virtue of blind faith and ignorance and still fight against scientific inquiry and education.
Written by: riosm, 7 Feb 2011 7:18 PM
From: United States
RoyStone,
As I recall God put Man above animals now saying that many men behave like animals, Man knows whats right from wrong while animals act through instinct. As always Man try's to explain in Mans understanding, reason and thinking. The Bible talks about the first sin man committed which was disobedience the fruit of knowledge, can this explain why Man always has to prove with science / evidence in order to believe ? Man then under his understanding will then exclude the existence of God ? After all Man then claims to know it all. Many will one day come before God but then again Man could then use science / evidence as an excuse for his non-belief.......GOOD LUCK.
Ever wonder what happens to a human upon death ?
I have yet hear an Atheist's explanation ?
After all Man can not live on earth forever, Man came from the earth and shall return to the earth, and to think the Bible is a recorded word of God which was written approx. 5- K years ago !
Written by: curios1, 7 Feb 2011 9:00 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
man has a chioce. most men dont realize it or wont admit it but every thing man does is done by chioce.
Written by: riosm, 8 Feb 2011 3:18 AM
From: United States
Curios1,
"Man doe's by his choice" and fails all the time. Most Western Man made Religions use a little touch of Christ filled with man made Religion.
One comes to Christ by choice not by force.
Most non-believers the first thing out of their mouths when something goes wrong is....."Oh my God", "Oh Jesus" and "Heaven forbid" topped off with the old saying "Theres no atheist in a fox hole".
Written by: RoyStone, 8 Feb 2011 10:54 PM
From: Australia
@riosm,
¨Ever wonder what happens to a human upon death ? I have yet hear an Atheist's explanation ? ¨
You have obviously never asked the question or listened to the answer, but for your benefit I will tell you:
1) When you die you die. Period. There is no after-life, heaven, hell, God or a soul independent of the body.
2) There are Atheists in fox-holes. The idea that Atheists turn to God when faced with probable death is just bullshit Xtian propaganda.
3) The Bible is nothing like 5,000 years old. According to Xtaian fundamentalists the Earth is less that that! The Bible was compiled in the year CE 325 on Holy Roman Emperor Constantine´s orders, at Nicea in what is now Southern Turkey. (Not to be confused with Southern Baptist Turkeys). The earliest writing was only 3,200 years ago. Not a single original document survives today.
Written by: RoyStone, 8 Feb 2011 10:56 PM
From: Australia
@riosm,
4) Regarding Adam, the talking snake and the apple, the first ´sin´ (that we all have to be punished for) is to seek knowledge - hence ignorance and blind faith is a virtue and a prerequisite to eternal life - how convenient for your church!
Written by: RoyStone, 8 Feb 2011 11:00 PM
From: Australia
It seems to me that people who have no regard for animal suffering have little regard for human suffering too. Cock-fighting is most popular in countries with the highest rates of violent crime (and Xtianity too!).
Written by: riosm, 9 Feb 2011 12:05 AM
From: United States
RoyStone,
Theres 3.....body, spirit and soul. Death is the separation of the spirit and soul from the body.
Most will look for that missing link to make that man belief in evolution.
Many when faced with death it is my belief make that spiritual connection.
God and Man's time can never be put to Man's understanding. There are things know only to God.
Talking snake ? An apple ? Man will be punished for his sins one being is non-belief, I bet even you believe in good and evil.
As far as Constantine he fashioned and excluded parts of the Bible to fit the newly formed Man made Church of Rome.
Example: Idolatry the worship of idols, soon we'll get a statue of Mother Teresa, Teresa served God through good works soon many will worship the newly made Saint Mother Teresa.....Man made ?
Religion is Man made, Faith is God inspired.
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Feb 2011 12:20 AM
From: Australia
@riosm
Hey I thought this blog was about cock-fighting not your imaginary friend in the sky. However I will ask you -
1) What brand (denomination) of Xtian re you (Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal, etc. etc. etc)
2) Do you believe in evolution, creation or intelligent design?
3) Do you follow the Ten Commandments?
4) Do you believe in the Hold Bible?
From: United States
@roystone
1.-Cockfighting is not popular here in America, the country with a devastating over use of drugs. ,The country with the biggest % of incarcerated population.You last statement in wrong
2.-You are saying that nowadays people that are religious are ignorant.So far the most intelligent ,Nobel prizes and scientific people are religious as well.Your statement is wrong.
3.- 3000year before the bible/old testament was the law and explanation of surrounding world.That explain you last statement.
4.-You are over here for a reason. That makes you different from an animal.That;s why you have a soul and a thinking mind with the biggest gift of God : OWN Will. It's not Darwin science but something above our natural knowledge.Something that you are unconscionably looking for..
You are trying to find a reason to believe.The answer is FAITH . And you are going to find it and give you some peace in your heart as well.
Good luck Roy
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They won't touch it.
Although, some provinces in Spain have lately outlawed the bull fights.
Maybe civilization has a chance against greed and bloodthirsty barbarians.
Are you a vegetarian?
We cannot even provide milk properly to school kids in a safe manner and now they want to introduce a bill to protect animals. What's next? a bill to reduce oxygen intake per day per person in public places.
How about a bill that says
"The government is NOT allow to introduce no laws or bills until we learn to follow the existing ones in place."
Can you imagine?
"they reject a bill aimed at increasing the protection of animals"
This country is a laugh riot. Do something for the people you are supposed to help.
Those people should go elsewhere. They won't hesitate to step over a crowd of people who are languishing in poverty to help some stupid Chicken! Banish them. Let them go back home and tell people how to live.
that's a pretty bold statement! the cockfighting is not just a sport in the Dominican Republic its also part of our history and culture.
Cockfighting is not confined to DR by any means.
that's a pretty bold statement! the cockfighting is not just a sport in the Dominican Republic its also part of our history and culture.
cockfighting is part of the history and culture of the DR. so was slavery in the USA. i guess slavery should have been allowed to continue, if we apply the logic of Lopez.
Cockfighting and slavery...apples and oranges.
Cockfighting and slavery...apples and oranges.
depends where you sit. there are some people in this world who are just as passionate about cruelty to animals as they are about cruelty to humans. just ask Michael Vick.
I am not a cockfighting fan, but roosters fight each other anyways with or without espectators whether they grow in the wild or are in a farm, so I say keep the traditions alive and do not let any international pressure change what we are.
I think this is a far greater crime:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/201....000-roosters-killed_n_817669.html
About 1,000 roosters confiscated during the weekend bust of a Ventura County, California cockfighting ring. The roosters have been euthanized. Now nobody wins and the roosters will not even be good for consuming.
Leo doesn't even show the ability to hold a DEBATE, an educated person that knows the outcome of a oneway debate, wouldn't go to one either. SMART MAN Lee-FLEA, out of sight out of mind. This is the way he runs things.
FAILED state with and EMPTY suit.
I wonder what are the ODDs of leo getting struck by lightning and if so, would it be considered an assasination or and act of GOD. I know that the ODDs of you getting spiked in the heart by a manta ray while swimming above it fully clothed is 100,000,000 / 1. DATs Nuckin Futs
That's right.
Don't let anybody change what we are. We are blood lusting barbarians and proud of it.
Cockfighting fighting is plain stupid!
From: Dominican Republic
That's right.
Don't let anybody change what we are. We are blood lusting barbarians and proud of it.
TALK FOR YOU SELF, PROUD OF IT? WHAT ARE U PROUD OF?
LOL Where's the Dominican version of PETA when you need'um huh ?
LOLouder Oh ! I know their probably at "pollo loco" or "KFC" eating fried chicken lickin.
LOevenlouder In California alone there are more cock fights in one month then there are in the DR in one year, and it's illegal in the U.S.
On the serous side......
I don't know who's worst the promoters, gamblers or the spectators.
0 Written by: juanb, 3 Feb 2011 3:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
That's right.
Don't let anybody change what we are. We are blood lusting barbarians and proud of it.
OK! SO NOW I CAN MAKE YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE GO UP.
JUST MAYBE ITS NOT THE COCKFIGHTING U ENJOY SO MUCH JUST MAYBE ITS ONLY THE COCK U ENJOY? U KNOW THAT THEIR ARE PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD THAT CARE ABOUT OTHERS? AND THEIR ARE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROTECT ANIMALS ALSO IN THIS WORLD?
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Every time I see a bull fight on tv, I am actually rooting for the the bull. I wish that someone would train the bull to bite that idiot in the balls.
This is a cultural tradition to be preserved?
Christian DR has one of the highest levels of violent crime in the world, and consider their environment a convenient rubbish tip. Now the government want to introduce legislation to curb animal cruelty?
Ha ha ha!
@cbelk - I honestly can never really understand what you are saying.
Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe was the richest colony in Africa. They did the same, now look where they are.
Coincidence? Maybe I´m racist.
What about the death penalty, the ultimate barbaric act against human kind?
I guess here in America is the most barbaric country in the world them, and all of us that are supporting that must be criminal as well.
If somebody really support and have a double moral, I invite them to see how a human being is carbonized trowing flames trough his eyes in an electric chair.
Once again, cockfighting means nothing them..You can not be over protecting animal lives and extremely disrespect human life..
I am answering some questions of people that call barbaric to cock fighters ( something that I am not). Barbaric are the pseudo humans that support killing another human being , even when they don't have the guts to watch it with their own eyes ( the majority by the way).
Isn't America a country with a stupid double moral?
I will admit I would never go to any one of these events.
HERE I GO AGAIN.......
Funny how many of those ultra liberal, animal rights, social justice and the environmentalist folks who oppose animal cruelty IGNORE the abortions [blood convenience] of Human beings and use the excuse of a "It's a womans right to choose" after all the woman choose to get pregnant in the first place.....another excuse for human behavior or ill responsibility ?
And to think....leave it to nature to become full term....they can then join there ranks.
I remember about 20 years ago where a woman in San Francisco wanted an abortion preformed on her cat......you should seen the ultra left liberal outrage.
the death penalty is not federal legislation in the USA. it is a states rights issue. not all states have it
The Federal Gov't can't mandate the death panalty but it did suspend State right to carry out the death panalty 1972 - 1988.
This can hardly be debated in a discussion about chicken fighting in the DR. How's about folks work on increasing the standard of living for PEOPLE 1st?
""Funny how many of those ultra liberal, animal rights, social justice and the environmentalist folks who oppose animal cruelty IGNORE the abortions""
No. It's REALLY funny how many of those ultra conservative right wing nuts want fetuses to develop full term so that they can be raised in the seedy underbelly of their society until they grow up after a life of misery and deprivation just to demand their executions as adults.
Stop a crime
Save a dime
Mind your business
+10
There is a bill to protect the Haitians. It was written by Cesfront Dominicana.
Can people who get the bird flu eat chicken noodle soup?
Your comparison between DR cock-fighting and some US state´s capital punishment is obscene.
Cock-fighting is purely blood-lust and deliberate cruelty to innocent animals, with a slow and painful death, for gambling and the entertainment of stupid barbaric men.
Capital punishment is by quick, painless lethal injection. It is only for proven serious crimes like mass murder and is to protect the lives of innocent people.
The fact that civilized people do not want to watch executions is not a sign of cowardice.
The fact that you want to kill a human being is the most barbaric issue you can ever describe.
it's even in the ten commands in the bible.
There is no justification at all!
Cockfighting means nothing, animals that one way or other you are breeding, no pets, and you are going to eat it at the end of the road..
I find your justification extremely barbaric and horrendous. If someone commit a crime , put that person behind bars for 30 years to see if they can't regret what they did.
But in 21 st century , to be speaking of that ultra retrograde demagogy , is really stupid and useless
How the hell you are defending a stupid bird , and happily agree with the assassination of a human being?Do you want to solve a crime with another crime?I really found what you are saying obscene, the pinnacle of the nonsense.
Please don't insult our intelligence them...
People tend to be more concern about animal life than human life..Shame on them.
If you contribute to the assassination of a human being it , under any name you want to call it it's assassination.. and that makes you worst that the people you are killing.Period.
A lethal injection is not decent,human , painless at all. .. It sometimes takes 1 1/2 hour to work.The condemned man's prolonged writhing, gasping, and gagging caused a male witness to faint.
I've seen cockfighting but I can't ever watch your legal aberration. Can you?
Jesus never mention eye for an eye and 10 commands were clear.
The eye for an eye is still used in some archaic Islamic countries. If you child steal something from wall mart is it right to cut his hand?
That law was writing 3000 years ago, and to apply that in 21 st century makes us a society of animals..
NEVER EVER an animal life could be more important than human life ..If you disagree, them you are the
I do not respect your opinion, I detest it.
I was not putting the case for capital punishment, which I oppose. I was pointing to the inhumane stupidity of comparing it with cock-fighting.
It is interesting that you quote from the Ten Commandments and the Bible, since like most Christians, you obviously know nothing about either. Sure one of the commandment is ¨thou shalt not kill¨. However another is you must stone to death anyone who works on a Saturday (Exodus and Deuteronomy). The Bible is also full of God instructing believers to commit murder, genocide, torture, rape, fraud, theft and environmental vandalism.
Read it if you can!
http://www.evilbible.com/
Then if you don´t believe it, check the references in your own Bible (if you have one).
Thank you Bernard for saying it for me. Let the truth ring.
The bottom line is........the lack of self respect and personal responsibility.
MNC's such as kentucky export this cruelty!
http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com/
S.
Like most Christians, it seems you have lost the plot.
This blog is about barbaric cock-fighting, not your stupid, barbaric religion or your imaginary friend in the sky, Jesus. You book of mythology, the Bible is is riddled with contradictions, and justifies, promotes and even demands cruelty to humans and animals!
Better to tolerate a small amount of barbarism than surrender entirely to a progressive totalitarianism that seems bent on creating an utterly sanitized, sterilized, hell on earth.
I respect your point of view Roy, if you want to believe in God or not.But that doesnt make you a better human being either.Once again , you should never EVER put animal life first before human life..
That's despicable.
Answering your faith question, a quote:“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.” St. Thomas Aquinas
Thank you for the quote - I have used that one myself at times.
Thomas Aquinas died in 1274, and lived in the early days of the Roman Catholic Inquisition, before Galileo, Newton, Darwin, Crick, etc. Unlike today, not all people who believed in God were uneducated, deluded or stupid. Regardless Aquinas´quote confirms that belief in God is irrational and illogical.
My point is, the existence or non-existence of God is not a matter of opinion or personal choice. Either God exists or he or she does not. Period. Faith, by definition, means believing something in the total absence of evidence, as is the case with the Christian God, where there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The Christian churches make a virtue of blind faith and ignorance and still fight against scientific inquiry and education.
As I recall God put Man above animals now saying that many men behave like animals, Man knows whats right from wrong while animals act through instinct. As always Man try's to explain in Mans understanding, reason and thinking. The Bible talks about the first sin man committed which was disobedience the fruit of knowledge, can this explain why Man always has to prove with science / evidence in order to believe ? Man then under his understanding will then exclude the existence of God ? After all Man then claims to know it all. Many will one day come before God but then again Man could then use science / evidence as an excuse for his non-belief.......GOOD LUCK.
Ever wonder what happens to a human upon death ?
I have yet hear an Atheist's explanation ?
After all Man can not live on earth forever, Man came from the earth and shall return to the earth, and to think the Bible is a recorded word of God which was written approx. 5- K years ago !
"Man doe's by his choice" and fails all the time. Most Western Man made Religions use a little touch of Christ filled with man made Religion.
One comes to Christ by choice not by force.
Most non-believers the first thing out of their mouths when something goes wrong is....."Oh my God", "Oh Jesus" and "Heaven forbid" topped off with the old saying "Theres no atheist in a fox hole".
¨Ever wonder what happens to a human upon death ? I have yet hear an Atheist's explanation ? ¨
You have obviously never asked the question or listened to the answer, but for your benefit I will tell you:
1) When you die you die. Period. There is no after-life, heaven, hell, God or a soul independent of the body.
2) There are Atheists in fox-holes. The idea that Atheists turn to God when faced with probable death is just bullshit Xtian propaganda.
3) The Bible is nothing like 5,000 years old. According to Xtaian fundamentalists the Earth is less that that! The Bible was compiled in the year CE 325 on Holy Roman Emperor Constantine´s orders, at Nicea in what is now Southern Turkey. (Not to be confused with Southern Baptist Turkeys). The earliest writing was only 3,200 years ago. Not a single original document survives today.
4) Regarding Adam, the talking snake and the apple, the first ´sin´ (that we all have to be punished for) is to seek knowledge - hence ignorance and blind faith is a virtue and a prerequisite to eternal life - how convenient for your church!
Theres 3.....body, spirit and soul. Death is the separation of the spirit and soul from the body.
Most will look for that missing link to make that man belief in evolution.
Many when faced with death it is my belief make that spiritual connection.
God and Man's time can never be put to Man's understanding. There are things know only to God.
Talking snake ? An apple ? Man will be punished for his sins one being is non-belief, I bet even you believe in good and evil.
As far as Constantine he fashioned and excluded parts of the Bible to fit the newly formed Man made Church of Rome.
Example: Idolatry the worship of idols, soon we'll get a statue of Mother Teresa, Teresa served God through good works soon many will worship the newly made Saint Mother Teresa.....Man made ?
Religion is Man made, Faith is God inspired.
Hey I thought this blog was about cock-fighting not your imaginary friend in the sky. However I will ask you -
1) What brand (denomination) of Xtian re you (Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal, etc. etc. etc)
2) Do you believe in evolution, creation or intelligent design?
3) Do you follow the Ten Commandments?
4) Do you believe in the Hold Bible?
1.-Cockfighting is not popular here in America, the country with a devastating over use of drugs. ,The country with the biggest % of incarcerated population.You last statement in wrong
2.-You are saying that nowadays people that are religious are ignorant.So far the most intelligent ,Nobel prizes and scientific people are religious as well.Your statement is wrong.
3.- 3000year before the bible/old testament was the law and explanation of surrounding world.That explain you last statement.
4.-You are over here for a reason. That makes you different from an animal.That;s why you have a soul and a thinking mind with the biggest gift of God : OWN Will. It's not Darwin science but something above our natural knowledge.Something that you are unconscionably looking for..
You are trying to find a reason to believe.The answer is FAITH . And you are going to find it and give you some peace in your heart as well.
Good luck Roy