I agree with ex-ambassador's Despradel comments. Not only the Manigat's are self serving, snobs and part of the old Haitian intelligentsia, but their view of the world is condescending and they have a poor attitude towards the poor and less advantaged. They both have a "long tail" of corruption episodes and much finger pointing at them.
Michel Martelly is inexperienced but will hopefully restore Haiti to its previous grandeur, by concentrating on better relations with DR, planting trees, fostering agricultural production, and reversing the UN military intervention, into a peace corps type of UN volunteer corps.

@Generoso

I need a brief historic update here.

"restore Haiti to its previous grandeur"!!!

And when precisely was that?

@Waterpolo
1804-1834 good time in Haiti.
1834-1844 The good time begin to show corrupts politician
1844-1890 WAR (With DR) and Unstable goberment
1890-1940 Slowly going down to economy worse
1940-1980 Haitian Politician corrupt reach it peak
1980-2011 This is the result of years of bad decision making for a country that have no leaders, except for the 1804-1834 time......This is the Haitian golden age 30 years

Walterpolo:
Centuries ago, during the 17 TH and 18 TH century Haiti was considered to be the wealthiest nation of the new world, mostly because of the work of the slaves in the sugar plantations.
The Haitian army of slaves did defeat Napoleon's mercenaries, which was no easy feat, and even provided weapons for the Simon Bolivar liberation wars later.
After 1804 in their attempts for conquest and expansion to our side of the island, they were defeated by the glorious Dominican patriots and kicked back to their side of the island.
In and around the end of the 1850's Haiti went into a fast downward spiral economically, and remained so to this date, after a series of self serving dictatorships.

"In and around the end of the 1870's Haiti went into a fast downward spiral economically, and remained so to this date, after a series of self serving dictatorships."

The Haitian downfall happened rather earlier Generoso. In fact, the eastward imperial expansion was motivated by the poor economy after the Great convulsions generated by the Revolution of 1804. Haiti was trying to invigorate its morbid economy and needed to come to an agreement with her old colonial Master, France. The price France forced Haiti to pay is today valued at over 20 billion dollars! And seeing that Haiti was too poor to pay the reparation payments to France; the Haitian leadership decided that a takeover of the east would suit its future financial situation. Remember that the movement into the Spanish speaking eastern lands was a preamble to Haiti's final status agreement with France. Your point that Haiti was a player is largely correct IF we refer to the first 40 or so years of the 19th century.

That was my point: a golden age that lasted a fortnight..

And based upon the exploitation of more than 300,000 slaves..

You're right Walter. The Great Haitian generator of wealth was largely based on probably the world's greatest destruction or exploitation of humanity. Hundreds of thousands of slaves were worked until they could no longer be of any financial worth and then left to die. Another slave ship worth of human cargo to replace them waiting on the dock. The French and the small Haitian colonial elite lived royally and were the envy of the rest of the region. No other colony produced as much wealth for her mother country as Haiti. But after the French Revolution of 1789–1799, this world came aground rather quickly and viciously. The small but larger Haitian mulattoes and petit blancs that wanted a say and representation in the government and society of Haiti similar to the white colonial elite who held the top posts and had other privileges denied the aforementioned groups.

@ Generoso- Here is a bit about the legendary Sweet Micky Im sure he is finely suited for the Dominican Presidency also?Would'nt you agree.

http://www.thegrio.com/politics/t....ks-another-disaster-for-haiti.php

YESTERDAY'S NEW'S BUT IMPORTANT FOR ME.
Dominicans’ music for education a sour note for government
data from the international labor organization. their are over 25 million youth's in latin america who neither work or go to school. in mexico city they have a PLAN- PROGRAM. it's CALLED 'PREPA-SI' it offer's high school student's $45 a month in cash to remain in school, and up to $65 a month if they get a's or b's for grade's. WHAT MEXICO IS DOING IS PAYING THE STUDENT'S TO STUDY.
this program has reduced the high school drop-out rate from 20% to 6% in the last 3 year's since this program started.
THESE ARE BIG NUMBER'S LOVE TO SEE THE DR GET STARTED IN A PROGRAM LIKE THIS, BUT IN THE BIG PICTURE I KNOW PRES. LEO WILL SAY 'WE DONT HAVE THE FUND'S FOR A PROGRAM LIKE THIS"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/n....insist_on_blaming_the_victim.html
THE FUTURE OF AMERICA!

PatDiamond
Don't be a prude now, realistically there has to be some kind of payback for all the good work that politicians do while in office. Just so that the graft and corruption does not infect everyone, to the lowest public employee, (like when Hipoloco was in office).
I have heard that Martelly is in a bad situation financially and that his 3 Florida properties are delinquent, but so what?
In DR we had a musician (Johnny Ventura) that was the mayor of SDQ for a few years, and it was a disaster. Then we elected another entertainment figure (Roberto Salcedo) and he has done a great job.
Give Martelly at least 100 days in office to see what he is all about, Haiti is not an easy place to run,
and more so now, while so much is expected.
He could turn out to be a pleasant surprise or another bad Haitian nightmare, that will end in a civil war, or coup d' etat.

Atabey
What really destroyed the Haitian economy, that was based on sugar production via cheap slave labor, was initially the "scorched earth" policy of the revolting slaves, burning and destroying the sugar mill machinery as well as their massacre and otherwise scaring into exile the petit blancs, who were the technicians that made artisan rum, and sugar.
Without the machinery and the know how or human capital, the Haitians where left without resources because of their own genocidal instincts and scorpion like policies.
Had Toussaint L'Overture not being kidnapped and died while in prison in France, Haiti's history would have probably been totally different than the one written by Jean Jacques Dessalines, a bitter mass murderer that hated white folks to death.
That along with the boycott of slaver nations that wanted to make an example of Haiti, grinding it to the ground, certainly did not help the Haitian economy.

PS: Dominicans did help and contributed to pay to Haiti part of the debt that was owed to France, by having their country ransacked and looted by the invading Haitian armies during 1822 to 1844, during the Haitian occupation.
Some of the most brutal accounts of the haitians murderous ways, was passed on by word of mouth and by many historians, and it does still influence the lack of love between Dominicans to Haitians.
And please don't tell me that Trujillo killed thousands of Haitians in 1937, because that bastard killed thousands and thousands of Dominicans as well.

generoso oh you do not know too much history between the two peoples. Stop making Dominicans like you even more stupid.
The occupation of the Dominican rep haiti Boyer was wanted by a ferocious dictator who shed the blood of the Haitian people as well.
A THOUSAND TRULIO not kill Haitians but 40 to 70,000 Haitians. I think you snake language. Latinos do not like you I understand why. I live in Haiti and the Cubans who are with us, we love you so that separate the same piece of land with us you are arrogant.

But you know what the wheel rotates, the young Haitian us proud and we are all old men who are in power we will remove them. To move forward. The Haitian politics should be wary of the Dominican Rep and make an armed force to monitor you. Whenever this country has increased the salaries go through you. Do not worry Haitians love you less and less. We seek a leader. and we will reduce the trade balance with you. Go see HAITI. visit the south, the north is magnificent. We will meet with you supervisor. Strip snakes. You lied your story is not what you were saying. The Haitian people have screwed OUTSIDE THE U.S. ARMY IN 1934 WITH CHARLEMAGNE Perales. WE ARE A GREAT NATION

ANY and EVERYBODY that is anti-Dominican or anti-Haitian should NEVER be allowed to lead or direct the people in general. What is needed is a person who wants to strive for peace and prosperity for both sides regardless of what side of the 'line' they are from.

open your mind listen to this music
http://jukebox.sakapfetstore.com/

Bernard, it takes a government that understands Haiti between nation there is no friend but also interest. we must not joke with anyone accuse the Dominicans all products Haitians returning home and we are left all their crap products enter our territory. We need a government to face severe Dominicans. The nation that hates Haitians even more than the French.

kiskeyaman:

Pot or Prozac? HOLY COW You full of S..T ! learn History !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Dios, Patria y Libertad"

Juan Pablo Duarte .

@ generoso- The election of Micky is simply a reflection of the failure and the ineptitudes of the Haitian political class. Had Wyclef Jean been able to pass the constitutional hurdle he too would have been elected( At least Michel Martely is well verse in the country official language).

I hope Mr Martely prove me wrong, the main issue I have with his selection is the fact that he is a neophyte with nothing more than great showmanship on his rersume' is he what Haiti need at this juncture I'm not sure. Understanding the predatory nature of politics and power in Haiti more than him it's those in his surrounding Im concern about, would he be able to say no to them.

@KIKEKAMAN

Will love to see a fool like you in power in Haiti, and stupid enough to arm you armed force and monitor Dominican. this way we could have the international excuse to finish the Job that :
Juan Sanchez Ramirez hesitate to do 1809
To pass revenge for 1822 and Jose Nunez de Caceres 1822
To Finish the Job Juan pablo Duarte was not able to do 1844
and to reclaim the land Trujillo was force to give to Haiti in the 1929 peace treaty
http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/limitsinseas/ibs005.pdf

and to send you back to you ancient homeland of Senegal were that country have offerd time and time again to take your miserable existent out this land you have poison with you bullshit way of living.

GET A f%^&& BOOK MAN, STOP BEING SO IGNORANT

It would be a dream come true to have Haiti attacking Dominican Republic!!! The border would be sealed SHUT!!! 2MILLION UNGRATEFUL Haitians SENT BACK!!! Bring it!!! YaniKeKeman!!!! AND you would STILL BUY our crappy food pendejo!!!!

By the way Roberto Salcedo sucks.....The malecon still looks like garbage.....

Face it folks.

HAITI's downward fall will simply continue with this clown at the helm.

And DR will continue to be invaded by starving Haitians.

@Pat Diamond?

Martelly parle-t-il français?

Or English?

Or is he going to be rappin´ to his people in a language nobody understands but them?

And make Haitians more unexportable than they already are?

I heard Manigat was anti-dominican, the elites in general have issues with the dominicans and she is aligned with them. Great news that the corrupt president preval is out and a new fresh face is in. His is not part of the old establishment, he is not aligned with the elites, and he is popular among the majority of the people apparently. The Haitian diaspora in the U.S., Cuba, Venezula, Canada, France, Ivory Coast, Bahamas, Cayman Islands, Chile, Martinique, French Ginoa is one of the most successful and establish diaspora. Now they can work together with martelly and get some investment and jobs in Haiti. Heard textile, auto, and agriculture companies are attempting to move into Haiti now. Let us keep our brothers and sisters in prayer.

Yucahu,

You dream of Haiti and the Dominican Republic involved in a war, you ignorant fool. Is this why you write into this forum, to stir things up, throw gasoline on the fire? Amazing that you pick one of the US cities (Miami) to live in, where Haitians make up a large part of the population. Dade County, Broward County, keep going upward all the way up out of Florida (many Haitians), out of Georgia (many Haitians), and into South Carolina (not many Haitians) and you won't find many Haitians in the Carolina's.

You need to just "get over it" - the rule of Haiti for 22 years. Were you around during those years? Can you tell me what happened during those years? Didn't they have great Dominican writers during those years to document these great atrocities? Can you point me to one document that outlines or describes in some detail the horrible treatment of Dominicans by Haitians?

Slaves like Frederick Douglas documented his treatment by the hands of his oppressors.

I came across this clip of two Dominicans fighting with the staff at a restaurant in New York. The staff gave their table to whites even though they had been waiting for a table. The actual video is not important but what is important are the racist comments aimed at these Dominicans. They are told to go eat watermelon and chicken. It tells me that whites treat Dominicans just like any other black person. The white world will never make the distinction that many Dominicans try to make - that they are not black or of African descent. I will never understand why so many Dominicans try to assimilate with a group (the real white race) that will never accept the lie that Dominicans are white or non-black.

I am happy that Jennifer Beals and Lena Horne never tried to hide behind their light skin to hide from the fact that they are black.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/KABaWUOSxfQ

Love your blackness, your whiteness, your mixture. Love the combination that God gave you and embrace it.

It's SUPER LOVER to the rescue!

super_lover:

Haitians make me puke everytime that I read comments like yours, always focusing on race (black,white, indian,etc), 200 years of backwards living doesn't teach your people nothing,
shows that you are resillient in being dumb and stupid, Dominicans in NY are way better than
what you describe, while your people live in dark ages Dominicans are business people, artists,
doctors, you name ! You know better but feel embarrassed about giving Dominicans credit for
what we are in the big apple.

he thinks all dominicans are black..
learn some demographics bro...

Michel Marthelly is 50 yeras old.
He has always been wandering in the inner circle of power in Haiti.
He has always been the propagandist, the apologist , the worshipper of those terrorizing and slaughtering Haitian poor. I am glad he has converted to :Nationalism:

JRRubirosa,

I will not allow you to pull me into one of your cesspool games of "me" against "you". I have never tried to put down Dominicans living in New York, you moron. I see that you missed my point entirely. Keep puking! My point was that Dominicans in New York and elsewhere are "perceived" as being black, not white. If you read the comment section of the link that I sent, white Americans are referring to Dominicans as watermelon and chicken eating ni**ers. I have lived in the DR probably longer than you have been alive and to this day, many Dominicans that I know jump through hoops to try to convince others that they are not of African descent - a pure fallacy.

Similar to Dominicans, Haitians living in the US are successful doctors, lawyers, businessmen and businesswomen. I am on this thread to support the idea of Dominicans and Haitians supporting each other and lifting each other through MUTUAL gains - not "me" against "you". Get it right!

cbelk99,

In your dreams.

hernandez,

Not all Dominicans are black, but the vast majority are and most light skinned Dominicans are of African descent.

I am very light skinned, but rest assured, I will never embarrass myself by saying that I am not black.

You mentioned living in DR for long time i grew up in the DR, and perceive the population as been diverse, there are blacks, whites, mullattoes, chinese, japanese, arabs, jews, americans, haitians which are all dominican nationals... and recently the increasing amount of illegals..
You should go around the entire island and educate yourself a little bit regarding this matter.. I will invite you to come to Santiago, Santiago Rodriguez, Villa, ... these are places where large groups of whites, chinese, blacks, come together to form the core of the CIbao region... I grew up here and know the people and city, provinces and municipalities very well.

The new santo domingo.

Well, I am not a racist, get that right! I just prefer to stand on the side of the truth.

When I die and come back to life, I don't care what color I come back as. I will make the best of it, black or white or mixed. I now know what I want to do (professionally) when I do come back, I want to be a politician. Yesterday, I was making a delivery of a 40 ft container in Casa de Campo and I drove next to the house of M. Vargas. It looks like a small hotel. Luxury all the way.

Well i dont care what color you are, provide you are not Haitian

Another Haitian hater who obviously can live in any of the 50 states but chooses to live in one of the states where there are Haitians. I've got a few Haitian friends in "silk city". That's where you want to live, Paterson, around the Puerto Ricans (outnumber Dominicans) and Haitians (make up about 10% of the Blacks there) - I wonder why? Blacks still outnumber every other race in Paterson - What are you doing there?

telemeco just finished work is going to eat you with all our teeth. Without weapons we will fight. was done with the Americans we did with the French. We have origne African but you what is your origin? surely the shit, you're not even Latino, you're mixing in mind blocked. We'll pull up and take the opportunity to take a land that you deserve it. Band of snake you think you can fight against the Haitians? Get up dogs. Beware of appearances band shit. you laugh at the fact that this country had an earthquake? Soon it will be your turn you have faults too. And you have the party will collapse. that you do not know eh?

Racist Dominicans racist Haitians, gosh i love you all.... Like someone mentioned before A BETTER HAITI IS A BETTER DOMINICAN REPUBLIC

Ahhahaha. TELEMECO you think you're Latin mangy dog??. Although Latinos make u racist with you. Miami A lot of Dominicans are ashamed to say that they are Dominican. The Puerto Ricans hate you. Shut your mouth we HAITIAN we are respected by our fellow men. THE DOMINICAN BLACK WHITE YOU WAKE YOU TAKE YOUR COUNTRY. WAKE YOU. THEY ARE CHILDREN OF DOG AS TELEMECO

@Haitian Dom PR- You may want to do some research before you post your above comment- Those who financed Michel Martely campaign put him in Hugo Boss suits, made full uses of social media web sites Facebook and tweeter hired him a Spanish base consultant firm who did work on John Mc Cain last presidential bid are not exactly the denizens of Cite Soleil, Solino, and Belair. This is the same crowd that love Haiti just the way it is for it preserved their strangle Hold on the economy.

Mirland Manigat is consider part of the elite because she has a PHD from the Sorbonne,and more comfortable expressing herself in the official language instead of the native dialect , that is how close she is to the real haitian elite ( The 15 families who run Haiti economically ,funny thing it's Mickey I saw in their Private charter jet on FB ). To our own detriment we Haitian will always choose a demagogue over substance. I have seen this movie before circa 1990.

Etienne great analysis

I am not sure that they can honestly call this site "Dominican Today". Maybe, "Hispanola Today". The only stories that seem to get any real attention are Haitian/Dominican related. Maybe I'm wrong!

I just found out from one of my most trusted Dominican News websites www. radiobemba.net

that Martelly is actually one of leonel fernandez illegitimate children and the invasion of haiti is in full steam ahead.

stay tune for more inside info from el palacio nacional

man tons of crap by both sides. white, black, watermellon's? crazy stuff.
[expletive} and i was so :stupid" i thought my blood lines go back to africa? thank god some on this site set me straight... thank-god....
any way.
some good development's for haiti.
one industrial park is being built in the north where korea's leading manufacturer and exporter of texiles and clothing is building in haiti its 1st fabric mill.617-acre's industrial park holds the potential for 1,000 of job's for the haitian's {they make clothes for the gap to just name one}an other industrial park is being built out side of port-auprince.
lots of jobs will be coming from these projects.
good luck!!!

Old school are you crazy? are you describe your dream?

SUPER LOVE You are right, the objective here is to allow small pissing hate to put their venom and it makes this famous newspaper

GOOD COMMENT!! JUST LIKE IN THE STATES' NOW 50 MILLION HISPANIC'S LIVING IN THE STATES' THIS IS WHY AMERICA IS ONE GREAT COUUNTRY AND ALWAY'S WILL BE.



You mentioned living in DR for long time i grew up in the DR, and perceive the population as been diverse, there are blacks, whites, mullattoes, chinese, japanese, arabs, jews, americans, haitians which are all dominican nationals... and recently the increasing amount of illegals..
You should go around the entire island and educate yourself a little bit regarding this matter.. I will invite you to come to Santiago, Santiago Rodriguez, Villa, ... these are places where large groups of whites, chinese, blacks, come together to form the core of the CIbao region... I grew up here and know the people and city, provinces and municipalities very well.'
THE HATE HAS TO GO FOR ALL OF US TO LIVE THE LIFE GOD-HAS GIVEN US.

The Dominicans will soon be jealous when they go see the work we do to develop HAITI

@ Kiskeyaman- With Martely Primary school is free
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Do you remember any of Mr Aristide theology of liberation sermons from the pulpit. Who was not moved by that. What was his promise to the masses again. for Last month pay period nobody in the entire Haitian foreign diplomatic corp including consulates got a pay check, there was no funds in the budget. You have 8 Police officers for every 1000 citizens, never mind the tent cities population, %60 of our annual budget depend on foreign aid. Paying taxes is a word frowned upon by the Haitian private sector, we all want 24hour electricity but raise hell when we get a proper bill from ED'H. Do you mind telling us where is the funding going to be coming from for such a lofty goal . I support the people's choice but its his entourage Im concern with.

sweet micky was trapped and held hostage by Aristide and his lavalassiens.
Only Aristide can deliver 70% of the votes

This Micky Mouse guy is gonna be just another Haitian president, which will side with the ruling class of Haiti to avoid being ousted from power.

I really hope Im wrong. I want to see this nation thriving in every segment of society.

PS:

Oupala07 is back in the form of Kakayaman.

If you believe that Aristide is Martelly you're wrong. We'll see what we shall see. You do not understand that it's different this time? Who will hunt Martelly in power? they have not succeeded in expelling the elections like Wyclef. Martelly there is not one, throughout the diaspora is behind Martelly. Haitians who are bitter that Mrs. MANIGAT have not managed back into the ranks. We can regain the pearl of the caribbean if we say haiti first. We already do not let the Dominicans malicious tell you anything. Them they have a government that works for them. We can do better now because we have a new government is proud. And that will work for us. Yes they are going to shut the hell up. The middle class will pay taxes believe me. We will have our say MINUSTHA army and go home. HAITI HAITIAN to!
PS EAT don'be_ SILENT KAKA room in your mouth

Etienne does not say anything.

eh patdiamond :Well this is not the time to operate the division. What you do not know is that Mrs. MANIGAT is linked with Preval. Preval has nothing to damn this country. I am not for continuity. Anyway if you kept Ms. MANIGAT to power this country will continue to the bottom. It is useless to have a president who has done advanced studies when 70% of people are illiterate. Back into line and stop criticize your president.