BARAHONA, Dominican Republic.- Two brothers, 12 and 15, together with a 18 year old, confessed to the revenge killings of three Haitians with machetes on Monday in a hill of the western town Galván, near the Haitian border.
South Region Police spokesman Jose de los Saints Perez said the three were arrested on the hill Majagual. The adult was identified as Meilin Vásquez, whereas Ramon Feliz is the father of the minors, who allegedly admitted taking part in the murder of Heriberto Petito 30, Tigat Senaza, 20 and Yoel Pie, on Monday.
The alleged killers said they avenged the death of the Dominican Alejandro Sanchez Escalante, reportedly killed by a Haitian in a holdup.
Under interrogation, all three detainees said they were spurred on by people of the community.
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Lynch by minors.
Absolute immunity.
Written by: riosm, 27 Jun 2011 9:24 AM
From: United States
These 3 committed murder to avenge a robbery by a "Haitian" take about taking the law into your own hands plus over kill.
I can understand the mob mentality but these 3 must be held accountable for the Human lives taken, of all weapons a machete talk about a brutal bloody crime.
Here's something to think about.....that same mob mentality could of also killed these 3 if the situation was different.
Where's the robbery victim ? After all he would be able to I.D the suspect / suspects.
From: United States
Under interrogation, all three detainees said they were spurred on by people of the community
gee like the crap written on here. you go low enough the social scale its easy to manipulate
Written by: matador, 27 Jun 2011 10:21 AM
From: United States, www.brugal-ron.com/home.php
Ojo por Ojo & Diente Por Diente
From: United States
yes, matador. it is really great to teach 12 year olds that it is perfectly acceptable to hack people to death with sharp instruments. had a Dominican murdered someone in the USA, i am sure that there would be a hue and cry if Americans sent a goon squad to kill him, and a few of his associates. selective morality , i guess.
Written by: Kaliman, 27 Jun 2011 1:05 PM
From: United States, California
That's pathetic! How can you randomly kill someone for revenge purposes? How can you randomly select anyone and take his/her life when they have done nothing to you? I will go so far as to say that we are truly all animals, human animals. The center core idea is that we have evolved or should have evolved socially. We have rules and laws. We have people that investigate crime and people in government that apply the law when a crime is committed. You cannot take the law into your own hands. If you are going to act, at least get rid of your ignorance about the truth of the matter. Killing innocent people is ignorance. The death penalty, from a legal standpoint, is very tricky. I can understand its validity in some cases, but it is a very tricky situation because too many people have been "administered the death penalty" when they were innocent. These three young murderers will have plenty of time to think about what they have done. They need to RELAX, and they will.
From: United States
Riosm the robbery victim is dead, killed by the Haitian lacra who robbed him and who is still on the loose. Why didn't his compatriots turn him in? It would have avoided the loss of 3 innocent lives.
That the kids were spurned on by community members is morally reprehensible and cowardly to twist children's sense of right and wrong and do their dirty deed for them. This is just plain sad.
I'm sorry to deflect the moral issue here but the excess of illegals will lead to more incidents like this. Cause and effect . Reminds me of the experiment with Norwegian rats that studied the breakdown of societal norms when exposed to overpopulation and shrinking resources.
For the sake of our moral principles and preservation of life the excess illegals need to go back home.
Written by: Atabey, 27 Jun 2011 1:56 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: venganzaderafael, 27 Jun 2011 1:38 PM
From: United States
Total agreement.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
What about the Dominican that was killed by the Haitian? I guess only the Haitians have human
rights because They are blacks, the Dominicans don't have any rights whatsoever because Dominicans are not human beings.
Written by: Espada, 27 Jun 2011 2:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Haitians criminals have NO RIGHT TO BE HERE.
Every single one of them in our country illegally is a criminal for violating our NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY.
Not only do they violate our sovereignty, they routinely murder, rape and rob Dominicans.
But then we're just supposed to shut up and learn to accept that murder, rape, robbery, and witch craft are just part of their "culture," and we're just supposed to deal with that, right?
From: United States
Written by: venganzaderafael, 27 Jun 2011 1:38 PM
From: United States
Well said. She wore tight fitting clothes and flirted and got drunk so she deserved it.
Blame the victim. Criminals are criminals If those guys robbed and killed someone they should be locked up.
Atabey for someone who claims to be educated I'm surprised you subscribe to vigilante justice.
Written by: riosm, 27 Jun 2011 3:17 PM
From: United States
Venganza de Rafael,
"The robbery victim is dead, killed by the Haitian lacra who robbed him".
Meanwhile we have 3 Human beings hacked to death, mob mentality, a 12, 15 and 18 year old charged with murder and 1 Haitian robber / murderer on the lose.
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
Every time a Haitian kill a Dominican they never get caught because the OTHER HAITIANS HIDE THEM AND DON NOT TURN THE MURDERER IN, MEANING THEY ARE ACCOMPLICES.
Unfortunately, the poor Dominicans have to send the message this way. So now Haitians know that ht ethical thing to do is not to hide and be accomplices of murdering a business owner.
Every time a Haitian murder our Dominican entrepreneur they are taking away of the many the substance of many family that work for the business owner.
From: United States
Ignorance you are being selective with the comments you read.
I stated the act of retribution was especially wrong for #1 attacking innocent victims who had nothing to do with the original crime, #2 involving minors in the retribution.
Stating that incidents like this will be repeated is not condoning the actions it is merely stating a fact of nature. The Norwegian rat experiment proved in a microcasm what will happen when there is an overflow of population in a finite amount of space, ie Haitians adding 1.5 million more people(especially illegal) in such a short time to a small country like DR.
And speaking of victims what about some sympathy for the poor Dominican farmer robbed and killed for a few "chelitos" by an illegal who wasn't even suppose to be in the country? The longer such massive #'s of illegal and non working Haitians are in the country the more horrendous crimes they will commit against innocent Dominicans.
From: United States
read my comment again the criminals should've been locked up. You have 3 kids that were wound up by adults to commit this act. I can see how it can be done given the garbage written on here.
The norwegian experiment doesnt apply here It's vigilante justice nothing else.
Remember the 3 kids that were manipulated. I notice not one person here condemn the father.
Also the article says a haitian so they hacked 3 people to death. Mob mentallity
From: United States
Purhaps this poor farmer was not killed by an haitien....having been there many times I ve have seing orwitness some things...... however miss information is aceptable better it than. No information....sorry guys. It is just my opinion and it doesn't. Mather.....lol
From: United States
Obviously this incident would not have occurred 15-20 yrs ago when there were only half a million Haitians who were employed mostly in the sugar cane fields and tourist area. Most were hardworking honest people who did not rob rape or murder their Dominican neighbors.
Now you have a massive influx of refugees who by sheer numbers must contain a certain percentage of lowlifes with no respect or fear of God, who do not value life or respect governmental authorities.
Add to this the impotence of the DR government to round up the illegals in the face of international pressure and yes you will get a mob mentality as shown by this incident and the mass roundup and expulsion by Dominican neighbors in the barrios of Santiago. Call it vigilante justice if you want or revolution or vendettas. These are the acts of a populace fed up with declining quality of life, extremely high jobless rate due to unfair competition for jobs and rising crime plus a Haitian in every corner in every town.
From: United States
poponlaburra advises
Unfortunately, the poor Dominicans have to send the message this way.
they have to ? really?. am i to assume, then, that you will have no opposition if a Dominican kills someone in New York, and some thugs round up the first three Dominicans they can get their hands on, and throw them into a woodchipper?..
From: United States
Yes it is not right or civilized, it just is what it is. Desperation and frustration. Any reasonable Haitians has to realize their people have taken advantage of the situation. The 1.5 million illegal in DR were not all directly affected by the quake. Those in DR need to police their own to prevent crimes being committed which will ignite this powder keg of desperation.
From: United States
venganzaderafael,
Again you guys are justifying what happened indirectly (It's ashamed it happened but). Noone here says one word about the socalled father who helped these kids hacked three people to death.
sick sick mentallity.
Dread I live in NJ if these types of vigilante justice happened against Dominicans they would be singing a different song.
From: United States
Dread I understand your point. Again it is not christlike to behave in such manner, thus my anology to the Norwegian experiment. Those three boys turned themselves in because of their remorse. Where is the culprit who started this chain of events? Is the Haitian community in that town doing anything to give the farmer's family any justice and distancing themselves from this sort of behavior?
This is a small town. Not a major metropolitan city where murders occur on a frequent basis. The townspeople are going to take this personal. Especially given the level of education.
Just saying the immigrants must root out these evildoers themselves. Or at the very least turn them over to the authorities so Dominicans who are a violent society do not get into a Norwegian rat mentality. At the end of the day four innocent lives have been brutally taken . We must find solutions and stop reliving our distant past.
From: United States
ignoranceisbliss, you do not have to tell me anything. i know the deal.
From: United States
verganza, i understand exactly what you are saying. sadly, the social and economic realities are that the DR cannot possibly withstand the effects of uninterrupted influxes of foreigners. however, asinine remarks, like the one made by poponlaburra, just reduce the discourse to ghetto babble.
From: United States
Ignoranceisbliss:
I do not think and hopefully it isn't so that the fathetr spurred his children to commit such an abominal act. If so he would truly be a demented individual, to encourage your own sons to murder is the act of sadistic bbeing with no love for his children or his neighbor.
I believe the article states that townspeople in general. I feel those that encouraged the boys should bare the brunt of the punisjhment.for they have destroyed not three but six innocent lives.
12 yrs old- I just can't fathom that.
From: United States
Ignoranceisbliss:
I do not think and hopefully it isn't so that the fathetr spurred his children to commit such an abominal act. If so he would truly be a demented individual, to encourage your own sons to murder is the act of sadistic bbeing with no love for his children or his neighbor.
I believe the article states that townspeople in general. I feel those that encouraged the boys should bare the brunt of the punisjhment.for they have destroyed not three but six innocent lives.
12 yrs old- I just can't fathom that.
From: United States
whereas Ramon Feliz is the father of the minors, who allegedly admitted taking part in the murder of Heriberto Petito 30, Tigat Senaza, 20 and Yoel Pie, on Monday.
not my words
From: United States
The article definitely states the 3 detainees said they were spurred on by community members.
The sentence referring to the father says he is simply the father of the MINORS who allegedly
Took part in the murder of the 3 men, (I take it to mean the minors not the father, he did not participate)
Still it doesn't say whether he was aware of his sons' actions.
Perhaps he was who convinced the boys to turn themselves in.
From: United States
I think youre right. I skimmed thru the article. Sick nonetheless.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
What kind of Society produces 12 to 15 years old who hacked another human being to death with a machete regardless of the victim nationality color or immigration status. How can kids so young can be so desensitized to violence to commit such an heinous act.
Written by: riosm, 28 Jun 2011 1:54 AM
From: United States
What's the world coming too.
Truly sad......Last month in Lancaster, California a mother was convicted of killing her 2 year old daughter then dumping her off the freeway "the Baker case" her daughter interfered with her party life.
AND half way across the U.S.
In Florida there's currently a murder case where another mother stands accused of killing her 2 year old daughter then dumping her body "the Anthony case" her daughter interfered with her new found party life.
These 2 cases have so much in common "LIFE'S NOTHING BUT A PARTY".
From: United States
PatD
A lack of regard for human life can be produced in most societies on this planet
It is raising children without love of neighbor combined with a lack of fear of God
There are several cities in these "enlightened" United States where children of that age would just as soon look at you as shoot you or "put a cap in your ass".
At least these boys had the conscious to turn themselves in. This was a failure of their parents.
Stop looking for an excuse to insult Dominican society. This is the first time I hear of something like this. Why don't you question the upbringing of the murderous thief who started the killing?
From: United States
pat,
based on the doodoo written on this site I can see it happening.
Written by: kmnupe, 28 Jun 2011 3:41 AM
From: United States, NYC
@ Espada,
What the fk are u talking about...murder, rape, robbery and witchcraft are part of their culture. I was confused to which "nationality you were referring to.
Stick with discussing criminals and leave culture alone. You don't want to go there. I'm very respectful on this forum but when you label a whole nationality, some of the sh*t can get on you too.
Written by: Espada, 28 Jun 2011 8:14 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Haitians are foreigners.
They speak a different language, they have a different religion, they are a different race, their culture is about as different as can be from my Dominican culture.
When these Haitian nationals come here ILLEGALLY and behave the way they behave in their natural habitat, we're going to have problems.
Rape is rampant in Haiti.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/17/world/main6306562.shtmlHaiti has sky-high crime and murder rates.
http://siteresources.worldbank.or....rces/CaribbeanC&VChapter1.pdfIf Haitians don't want to have problems with the Dominican People, then they can learn to respect our laws and culture, or just stay out of our country.
This is our country, we don't need your Marxist American multiculturalism here.
From: United States
Espada,
You're an embarrasement to your people. You're IQ level must be in the negative. People like you use up resources like air and water when you could do the world a favor.
I thought there was only one race. Except in your small mind.
Rape rampant in Haiti. 1mil displaced living in tents no security what do you think will happen? Those men should be exposed and put on TV then shot my opinion.
The world can see how those young kids can hack 3 people to death by your dribble.
From: United States, Haze gray, underway
Three kids have to suffer due to the fact that they were manipulated in to killing three innocent human beings. So that is what they are teaching the kids now? I see people try to justify this because the Haitians are 'evil", but dosent anyone realize that now you have children doing the dirty work? I hope they give those kids some really good therapy.
From: United States
ignoranceisbliss, every time someone comments on something negative in the DR, certain folks come out swinging, claiming that they are trying to show the DR in a negative light. now, i ask you this....why would i waste my precious time trying to make the DR out in a negative light, when cretins like Espada are able to do a far better job than i ever could?
Written by: Espada, 28 Jun 2011 11:35 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Mr. Ignoranceisbliss in America, have fun with your failed welfare nation that is growing weaker by the day.
Your economy is over, there's no turning back now.
You have no business speaking on my country's matters.
Look at your own problems before you look at ours.
America has the highest violent crime, rape, murder and disease rates in the entire Western world.
Most of this is thanks to your drunken murderer-politician Ted Kennedy and his fantasies of a multicultural wonderland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965The United States is a broken nation, because your government does not care about its people, only its global aspirations.
All that war has left your nation a shell of what it once was.
Just as the Soviet Union fell, so shall your nation fall.
And then you will see what all that multiculturalism your government has been shoving down people's throats for all those years will get you when your nation turns into the
From: United States
oh jeezus. who let the loonies out?
Written by: riosm, 28 Jun 2011 11:43 AM
From: United States
Espada
I'll stay out of this one with a......no comment.
Written by: Nehesy, 28 Jun 2011 12:02 PM
From: France, Paris
I suspect that not only the 3 of them were involved...3 guys with machetes ( 2 minors) trying to kill 3 unarmed guys (3 adults) and they did not flee ? It was a mob lynching for sure...
From: United States
@Ignoranceisbliss
I also live in NJ. What part of the state are you in. This is a small state.
Care to break bread sometime? I am a member of a DR political party here.
Maybe some rational personal discourse and ideas can filter up to the policymakers in both our nations. Both have new gov'ts coming into power. There has to be cooperation at all levels if we are too resolve our mutual problems. Que vous dire?
From: United States
Dread,
Espada must be in a white padded room talking politics to extra-terrestrials.
US isn't going anywhere just like the Soviet isn't going anywhere. Why? GUNS!!!
MAn with the biggest gun writes the rules.
Written by: kmnupe, 30 Jun 2011 3:38 AM
From: United States, NYC
ESPADA
Follow the f-ing thread. You're all over the place. If your point is illegals contribute to the country's problems, fine.
But when you speak dribble about criminal characteristics embedded in Haitian culture, I don't know if you realize that people are laughing at you at best, and at worst...embarrassed by your ignorance.
I have a lot of respect for a few posters on this forum that I will quit while I'm ahead.
From: United States
nice to hear from you again, kmnupe. i see where you too have noticed that the site has been ghettoized by a bunch of semiliterates.
Written by: kmnupe, 1 Jul 2011 12:18 AM
From: United States, NYC
Wassup Dread? Can't stay great forever. lol!
From: United States
don´t be a stranger, kmnupe. we need some sanity to dilute the rubbish here.
From: Canada
Riosm. ... your list is accurate, the revenge act only brutalized a community. The total damage thus far is four murderers, four dead, three in custody and the killer who started this still free. ... such sadness with this story. ....
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
dreadlock,
I reiterate,” “unfortunately”, the poor Dominicans have to send the message this way”!
It’s unfortunate for the poor Dominicans for when their love are lynched by the Haitians, the killer Haitians never get caught by the Dominican authorities or turned I n by they compatriots.
Now Mr. Dread where is the fairness at this point????? And you ALWAYS intentionally overlook who started the killing. Now our poor men go to jail for something a freaking Haitian killer started and who will never be brought to justice for he/they flew back to Haiti where the Haitian government and the rest will be glad a Dominican got killed.
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
Dread,
Make no mistake, Haitians kill Dominicans out hate, yes, it’s a hate crime.
If a Dominican kill someone in NY, you bet is a criminal act, not hate crime.
All I can say, Haitians don’t learn. If your compatriots kill a Dominican you better turn him in. Simple, “do not kill a Dominican”
That is the message our poor men are sending, otherwise justice will not be served.
From: United States
poponlaburra, please quit while you are behind. nonsense like this makes you look pathetic
If a Dominican kill someone in NY, you bet is a criminal act, not hate crime.
to assume that all killings of Dominicans by Haitians is motivated by hate is so utterly stupid, i will not even dignify it with a response.
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
dreadlocks, dreadlocks,dreadlocks..A man of your intellect should not be scare of the pathetic stupid things (according to you) a humble person like me says.
I'm not assuming all killings of Dominicans by Haitians are motivated by hate, I'm certain.
So stop the pretension it does not fit you.
Save the dignity for you because you are apathetic when a Dominican is killed by a Haitian, but very disturbed when the Dominicans retaliate.
Yes, Dominicans retaliate, and you can not blame them.
Written by: kmnupe, 2 Jul 2011 2:49 AM
From: United States, NYC
POPONLALOCA..... They are boys.That doesn't bother you?
Written by: riosm, 2 Jul 2011 9:57 AM
From: United States
I'll try and settle this with......murder is the ultimate act of hate / anger for what ever reason we choose against another human Being I'm sure any one of us at one point has said in the past "I hate so much I want to kill him" difference is we never carried the act out.
How much hate does it take to kill / murder ?
I say......arrest these 3, charge them, sentence them and let justice be served.
From: United States
knupe, i like it. POPONLALOCA. may i use it, with your permission?
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
knupe is that all you got? You always resort to name calling when out of argumentative facts and ideas, but again that is your "only calling" at this site.
BUT YOU DREAD? Is old age robbing you eloquence and creativity? And yes, you better say nothing for I'm right and true on my predictions and statements.
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
Why hasn’t any arrest made in the Haitian group for covering up and accomplice?? Why are they only looking for the Dominican ones?...
Why is it that every time when Haitians commit this type crime the Haitians never, never, gets caught???
What a disgrace! Our police find the time to look for the Dominicans involved in the retaliation but the police do not find the time to arrest the families and friends of the Haitian murderers who started this Calamity.
The rest of the countdry must learn from the Cibaenos.
Written by: kmnupe, 2 Jul 2011 4:34 PM
From: United States, NYC
POPON,
You are losing it. You and I haven't had any exchange in 3 yrs (except for a PM where we cordially settled a matter). I have always behaved on this site.
You pointing the finger at name-calling is laughable and cute...you talk a lot of crap here and disparage people all the time.
My feelings aren't hurt...LOL!
P.S....I wasn't making any arguments, just simply asked if young boys murdering people bother you. From what you have read from me, there's no way you can come to the conclusion that I endorse Haitians killing Dominicans...especially in their country.
Heck, I've know Dominicans who have killed Dominicans in NYC. My friend is buried in San Francisco; Victim of the 90s street wars.
From: United States
as i said, popon, i will not dignify your remarks with a response
From: United States
IWow....I am new to this..I have learned a lot. In this. Page......since being half..do minican and. Haitien..I had a chance to observe both culture from the outside... I have many friends both dominican and haitien. And jamaican mexican elsalvador honduras even french .. so I leave in Los angeles ..mexican hates elsalvardorian belizian hate..jamaican. jews hate moslem....however I. Ve notice haitien and dominican get alone. Because panamanien don't doesn't like dominican and haitien because we get all the girls .......that s why I said wow ...
From: United States
I know some of you guys going to say what's ur point......well if ur happy life is short.....solution speak lounder........happy 4th..................just my opinion lol.............
Written by: riosm, 3 Jul 2011 11:42 AM
From: United States
Andujar67,
Having growing up in L.A myself I know what you mean, there is more hate among Latinos then there is hate against other people of color.
In this murder case I would say hate is a motivating factor with this crime. The idea that a mob mentality also played a part does not surprise me, if people were afraid to even attempted to stop it they should of just walked away.
Regardless justice must be served.
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Absolute immunity.
I can understand the mob mentality but these 3 must be held accountable for the Human lives taken, of all weapons a machete talk about a brutal bloody crime.
Here's something to think about.....that same mob mentality could of also killed these 3 if the situation was different.
Where's the robbery victim ? After all he would be able to I.D the suspect / suspects.
gee like the crap written on here. you go low enough the social scale its easy to manipulate
That the kids were spurned on by community members is morally reprehensible and cowardly to twist children's sense of right and wrong and do their dirty deed for them. This is just plain sad.
I'm sorry to deflect the moral issue here but the excess of illegals will lead to more incidents like this. Cause and effect . Reminds me of the experiment with Norwegian rats that studied the breakdown of societal norms when exposed to overpopulation and shrinking resources.
For the sake of our moral principles and preservation of life the excess illegals need to go back home.
From: United States
Total agreement.
rights because They are blacks, the Dominicans don't have any rights whatsoever because Dominicans are not human beings.
Every single one of them in our country illegally is a criminal for violating our NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY.
Not only do they violate our sovereignty, they routinely murder, rape and rob Dominicans.
But then we're just supposed to shut up and learn to accept that murder, rape, robbery, and witch craft are just part of their "culture," and we're just supposed to deal with that, right?
From: United States
Well said. She wore tight fitting clothes and flirted and got drunk so she deserved it.
Blame the victim. Criminals are criminals If those guys robbed and killed someone they should be locked up.
Atabey for someone who claims to be educated I'm surprised you subscribe to vigilante justice.
"The robbery victim is dead, killed by the Haitian lacra who robbed him".
Meanwhile we have 3 Human beings hacked to death, mob mentality, a 12, 15 and 18 year old charged with murder and 1 Haitian robber / murderer on the lose.
Unfortunately, the poor Dominicans have to send the message this way. So now Haitians know that ht ethical thing to do is not to hide and be accomplices of murdering a business owner.
Every time a Haitian murder our Dominican entrepreneur they are taking away of the many the substance of many family that work for the business owner.
I stated the act of retribution was especially wrong for #1 attacking innocent victims who had nothing to do with the original crime, #2 involving minors in the retribution.
Stating that incidents like this will be repeated is not condoning the actions it is merely stating a fact of nature. The Norwegian rat experiment proved in a microcasm what will happen when there is an overflow of population in a finite amount of space, ie Haitians adding 1.5 million more people(especially illegal) in such a short time to a small country like DR.
And speaking of victims what about some sympathy for the poor Dominican farmer robbed and killed for a few "chelitos" by an illegal who wasn't even suppose to be in the country? The longer such massive #'s of illegal and non working Haitians are in the country the more horrendous crimes they will commit against innocent Dominicans.
The norwegian experiment doesnt apply here It's vigilante justice nothing else.
Remember the 3 kids that were manipulated. I notice not one person here condemn the father.
Also the article says a haitian so they hacked 3 people to death. Mob mentallity
Now you have a massive influx of refugees who by sheer numbers must contain a certain percentage of lowlifes with no respect or fear of God, who do not value life or respect governmental authorities.
Add to this the impotence of the DR government to round up the illegals in the face of international pressure and yes you will get a mob mentality as shown by this incident and the mass roundup and expulsion by Dominican neighbors in the barrios of Santiago. Call it vigilante justice if you want or revolution or vendettas. These are the acts of a populace fed up with declining quality of life, extremely high jobless rate due to unfair competition for jobs and rising crime plus a Haitian in every corner in every town.
Unfortunately, the poor Dominicans have to send the message this way.
they have to ? really?. am i to assume, then, that you will have no opposition if a Dominican kills someone in New York, and some thugs round up the first three Dominicans they can get their hands on, and throw them into a woodchipper?..
Again you guys are justifying what happened indirectly (It's ashamed it happened but). Noone here says one word about the socalled father who helped these kids hacked three people to death.
sick sick mentallity.
Dread I live in NJ if these types of vigilante justice happened against Dominicans they would be singing a different song.
This is a small town. Not a major metropolitan city where murders occur on a frequent basis. The townspeople are going to take this personal. Especially given the level of education.
Just saying the immigrants must root out these evildoers themselves. Or at the very least turn them over to the authorities so Dominicans who are a violent society do not get into a Norwegian rat mentality. At the end of the day four innocent lives have been brutally taken . We must find solutions and stop reliving our distant past.
I do not think and hopefully it isn't so that the fathetr spurred his children to commit such an abominal act. If so he would truly be a demented individual, to encourage your own sons to murder is the act of sadistic bbeing with no love for his children or his neighbor.
I believe the article states that townspeople in general. I feel those that encouraged the boys should bare the brunt of the punisjhment.for they have destroyed not three but six innocent lives.
12 yrs old- I just can't fathom that.
I do not think and hopefully it isn't so that the fathetr spurred his children to commit such an abominal act. If so he would truly be a demented individual, to encourage your own sons to murder is the act of sadistic bbeing with no love for his children or his neighbor.
I believe the article states that townspeople in general. I feel those that encouraged the boys should bare the brunt of the punisjhment.for they have destroyed not three but six innocent lives.
12 yrs old- I just can't fathom that.
not my words
The sentence referring to the father says he is simply the father of the MINORS who allegedly
Took part in the murder of the 3 men, (I take it to mean the minors not the father, he did not participate)
Still it doesn't say whether he was aware of his sons' actions.
Perhaps he was who convinced the boys to turn themselves in.
Truly sad......Last month in Lancaster, California a mother was convicted of killing her 2 year old daughter then dumping her off the freeway "the Baker case" her daughter interfered with her party life.
AND half way across the U.S.
In Florida there's currently a murder case where another mother stands accused of killing her 2 year old daughter then dumping her body "the Anthony case" her daughter interfered with her new found party life.
These 2 cases have so much in common "LIFE'S NOTHING BUT A PARTY".
A lack of regard for human life can be produced in most societies on this planet
It is raising children without love of neighbor combined with a lack of fear of God
There are several cities in these "enlightened" United States where children of that age would just as soon look at you as shoot you or "put a cap in your ass".
At least these boys had the conscious to turn themselves in. This was a failure of their parents.
Stop looking for an excuse to insult Dominican society. This is the first time I hear of something like this. Why don't you question the upbringing of the murderous thief who started the killing?
based on the doodoo written on this site I can see it happening.
What the fk are u talking about...murder, rape, robbery and witchcraft are part of their culture. I was confused to which "nationality you were referring to.
Stick with discussing criminals and leave culture alone. You don't want to go there. I'm very respectful on this forum but when you label a whole nationality, some of the sh*t can get on you too.
They speak a different language, they have a different religion, they are a different race, their culture is about as different as can be from my Dominican culture.
When these Haitian nationals come here ILLEGALLY and behave the way they behave in their natural habitat, we're going to have problems.
Rape is rampant in Haiti.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/17/world/main6306562.shtml
Haiti has sky-high crime and murder rates.
http://siteresources.worldbank.or....rces/CaribbeanC&VChapter1.pdf
If Haitians don't want to have problems with the Dominican People, then they can learn to respect our laws and culture, or just stay out of our country.
This is our country, we don't need your Marxist American multiculturalism here.
You're an embarrasement to your people. You're IQ level must be in the negative. People like you use up resources like air and water when you could do the world a favor.
I thought there was only one race. Except in your small mind.
Rape rampant in Haiti. 1mil displaced living in tents no security what do you think will happen? Those men should be exposed and put on TV then shot my opinion.
The world can see how those young kids can hack 3 people to death by your dribble.
Your economy is over, there's no turning back now.
You have no business speaking on my country's matters.
Look at your own problems before you look at ours.
America has the highest violent crime, rape, murder and disease rates in the entire Western world.
Most of this is thanks to your drunken murderer-politician Ted Kennedy and his fantasies of a multicultural wonderland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965
The United States is a broken nation, because your government does not care about its people, only its global aspirations.
All that war has left your nation a shell of what it once was.
Just as the Soviet Union fell, so shall your nation fall.
And then you will see what all that multiculturalism your government has been shoving down people's throats for all those years will get you when your nation turns into the
I'll stay out of this one with a......no comment.
I also live in NJ. What part of the state are you in. This is a small state.
Care to break bread sometime? I am a member of a DR political party here.
Maybe some rational personal discourse and ideas can filter up to the policymakers in both our nations. Both have new gov'ts coming into power. There has to be cooperation at all levels if we are too resolve our mutual problems. Que vous dire?
Espada must be in a white padded room talking politics to extra-terrestrials.
US isn't going anywhere just like the Soviet isn't going anywhere. Why? GUNS!!!
MAn with the biggest gun writes the rules.
Follow the f-ing thread. You're all over the place. If your point is illegals contribute to the country's problems, fine.
But when you speak dribble about criminal characteristics embedded in Haitian culture, I don't know if you realize that people are laughing at you at best, and at worst...embarrassed by your ignorance.
I have a lot of respect for a few posters on this forum that I will quit while I'm ahead.
dreadlock,
I reiterate,” “unfortunately”, the poor Dominicans have to send the message this way”!
It’s unfortunate for the poor Dominicans for when their love are lynched by the Haitians, the killer Haitians never get caught by the Dominican authorities or turned I n by they compatriots.
Now Mr. Dread where is the fairness at this point????? And you ALWAYS intentionally overlook who started the killing. Now our poor men go to jail for something a freaking Haitian killer started and who will never be brought to justice for he/they flew back to Haiti where the Haitian government and the rest will be glad a Dominican got killed.
Dread,
Make no mistake, Haitians kill Dominicans out hate, yes, it’s a hate crime.
If a Dominican kill someone in NY, you bet is a criminal act, not hate crime.
All I can say, Haitians don’t learn. If your compatriots kill a Dominican you better turn him in. Simple, “do not kill a Dominican”
That is the message our poor men are sending, otherwise justice will not be served.
If a Dominican kill someone in NY, you bet is a criminal act, not hate crime.
to assume that all killings of Dominicans by Haitians is motivated by hate is so utterly stupid, i will not even dignify it with a response.
dreadlocks, dreadlocks,dreadlocks..A man of your intellect should not be scare of the pathetic stupid things (according to you) a humble person like me says.
I'm not assuming all killings of Dominicans by Haitians are motivated by hate, I'm certain.
So stop the pretension it does not fit you.
Save the dignity for you because you are apathetic when a Dominican is killed by a Haitian, but very disturbed when the Dominicans retaliate.
Yes, Dominicans retaliate, and you can not blame them.
How much hate does it take to kill / murder ?
I say......arrest these 3, charge them, sentence them and let justice be served.
knupe is that all you got? You always resort to name calling when out of argumentative facts and ideas, but again that is your "only calling" at this site.
BUT YOU DREAD? Is old age robbing you eloquence and creativity? And yes, you better say nothing for I'm right and true on my predictions and statements.
Why is it that every time when Haitians commit this type crime the Haitians never, never, gets caught???
What a disgrace! Our police find the time to look for the Dominicans involved in the retaliation but the police do not find the time to arrest the families and friends of the Haitian murderers who started this Calamity.
The rest of the countdry must learn from the Cibaenos.
You are losing it. You and I haven't had any exchange in 3 yrs (except for a PM where we cordially settled a matter). I have always behaved on this site.
You pointing the finger at name-calling is laughable and cute...you talk a lot of crap here and disparage people all the time.
My feelings aren't hurt...LOL!
P.S....I wasn't making any arguments, just simply asked if young boys murdering people bother you. From what you have read from me, there's no way you can come to the conclusion that I endorse Haitians killing Dominicans...especially in their country.
Heck, I've know Dominicans who have killed Dominicans in NYC. My friend is buried in San Francisco; Victim of the 90s street wars.
Having growing up in L.A myself I know what you mean, there is more hate among Latinos then there is hate against other people of color.
In this murder case I would say hate is a motivating factor with this crime. The idea that a mob mentality also played a part does not surprise me, if people were afraid to even attempted to stop it they should of just walked away.
Regardless justice must be served.