So the U.S. is paying!
Will the DR pay Mexican illegals to repatriate to Mexico from Arizona?

Pelaut, it is not the responsibility of DR to pay Mexicans to return. Clearly, you are from US and do not understand nor have you seen with your own eyes the crisis caused by the illegals.

Too many who comment here have never visited DR and have not seen what is happening. Our government cannot help our people, does not help our impoverished and has no desire to do so. Our education system is a joke. Our public health system is very compromised with very few services available. Our sanitation in the barrios is horrible. Every sector of our public infrastructure is stretched beyond imagination.

The illegals make it worse. There is nothing here for them. Return them to Haiti. Haiti is receiving aid. DR receives NOTHING and is expected to provide for the illegals.

DR has to do everything possible to send them back and FAST.

This is a crisis and I hope every measure is taken to send them all back by any means necessary!!

@CarmenReyes

You make us prouder! :)

How much would L.F. get to go back to his beloved Haiti? Lol.

It is a much better idea to invest in a documentation program for Haitian illegals, to be able to track and identify them.
Most of the Haitians will take the money go back home for a paid vacation and come right back.

WTF is wrong with the Goverment in DR,,,, Those bastard who came over our country to cause problem and infecting our land with their shit""" you giving them Money, so they can go home and as soon they use it, they gonna jump back in to get some more, Only in DR for real who was the Idiot that came up with that Idea? Now you gonna have the entire Hatian in population in DR as soon they all hear about this stupid Program.

Generoso, you are absolutely right; they would get the money, see their families and come right back in.

they should get that money and develop some sort of agriculture program for the thousands of Haitian that are acroos the border.

Matador,

The DR is NOT footing the bill for this program.

"OIM

Al menos mil 300 haitianos desplazados a RD por terremoto han regresado a su país

EFE
Santo Domingo

Unos 1.300 haitianos desplazados por el terremoto que azotó Puerto Príncipe en 2010 han regresado desde entonces a su país con la ayuda de un programa de la Organización Internacional para las Migraciones (OIM), informó ayer esta entidad.

Se trata de una iniciativa puesta en marcha para acompañar a desplazados que buscaron refugio en la vecina República Dominicana tras el devastador sismo que sacudió Puerto Príncipe y otras localidades cercanas, donde se contabilizaron cerca de 1,5 millones de afectados.

El "Programa de retornos voluntarios asistidos a desplazados por el terremoto" incluye capacitación y una ayuda económica de 300 dólares por persona para poner en marcha pequeñas empresas y negocios en sus lugares de destino."


I agree that an ID program should go hand in hand with the cash and aid!

The border is like swiss cheese , what an uneducated move...... I'm guessing the government think that theses illegals aren't coming back, what a joke. Aren't we fighting a tax package at the moment , the government is looking to pay back a debt through taxing the crap out of the poor (71% of dominicans are making less than 300 USD monthly) and there are over 1/2 a million illegal hatians in dr. Where is this money coming from on our end.....

@CarmenReyes,

Definitely agree with you! I hate it when US people try to tell me how we should have open arms for haitian illegal immigrants, and I'm like, oh you hypocrite.. like you do that here with the Mexicans or any other illegal immigrant.

Anyways, I just don't think we should be paying them. If they are illegal, we just deport them, that's it! If we pay them, they'll come back! I know these guys are different because they came as natural disaster refugees, but the government should have put a limit on how long they could stay.
We need to implement an immigration system like the US has.... because that way it'll make it real tough on anyone that wants to stay illegal (Europeans and gringos included! Yes, they stay illegal when they stay for idk, a year or two without residence and they can still buy houses and cars and all that crap).
Next: EVERYONE NEEDS VISA, except those countries with whom we have agreements (like we don't need visa to go there), like japan, argenti

D.R is not paying for it,.

@Dont be silent,

That's good... I mean, we can't even afford to pay our own bills. But really, no one should pay them because that serves as an incentive for them to go, and then come back to see if they can get more.

@ Generoso- You Sir are correct - I'm not sure of which NGO came up with this idea def not the answer.

@ Carmen your above comment clearly shows absent of your usual ignorance you are clearly a logical person I understand your grievance. With Martelly choice as PM def a departure from the old a new beginning for Haiti a win win for DR.

"Haitians do not need hands out, but an opportunity to create wealth" a direct quote from the newly elected Haitian President upon his arrival in DC

Haitian people work hard, with the right help they can have a better future.

Danny00,
You are the reason they invented the morning after pill.LOL.

I see no easy solution to immigration/invasion problem, and it will probably take civil action and bloodshed before concrete actions are taken.

As a poor, 3rd-world country, we cannot even afford to take care of our own needs, much less our neighbors'. US and Europe should keep nose out of our internal affairs; however, they won't do that so long as our illustrious leader is perpetually standing with his hand out.

Honorable Generoso advocates some good initiatives and government must listen to this kind of input.

CarmenReyes also stated the problems well.

Wished some would stop hijacking site/thread, similar to hated Asian peddlers, with their perpetual babbling and incoherent rambling, especially on serious issues such as this one.

Frankly, for the life of me, I don't see why illegal immigration simply could not be brought to abrupt halt. We have relatively large armed forces, who don't seem to have defined jobs. Send them to border!

MJEV.

"Haitians do not need hands out, but an opportunity to create wealth" a direct quote from the newly elected Haitian President upon his arrival in DC.


Opportunities to create wealth. 100% correct. An Open Economy and cogent Legal and business friendly environment. Export base to the largest neighboring economy: USA/Canada/Mexico or NAFTA. That's the way forward.

Respect and enforce the laws of the land, INCLUDING THE BORDER WITH DR.
Arrive at a mutually enforced border agreement with DR.
Establish and respect labor agreement that includes a Workers' Permit Program. Haitian workers would have access to DR economy under an agreed program that is enforced by both sides. Seasonal and contractual agreements between Haitians and Dominicans.

I think every reasonable Dominican just wants the laws respected by both sides and some semblance of order and transparency in this matter. DR has carried a very heavy burden with respect to Haiti's failed State status.

to: roberto jose. and matador

why don't you guys read past the title of the article before you jump to conclusions. this is a paid vacation for these people but the dr is not paying for this. the program is a stupid idea from the us state department and other ngo's.

THIS is a USELESS program!!! is a Joke and i gree 100% is a FREE VACATION, the idiots that have this progam don't understand how easy is to CROSS TO DR

maybe they wont come back to your country.. theres hope .. look:

http://www.haitilibre.com/en/news....eir-country-through-the-avrr.html

i mean you guys do such great jobs @ enslaving them and chopping their heads off, and burning down their houses.. .
it so humilating to be a Haitian living in the DR, maybe .. dont you just think that maybe going to live there as Haitian is more of a desperate cause?

if there is a opportunity back home (which there seems to be from the article i just sent).. trust me.. they wont come back.. going to the DR is a life threatening experience for Haitians.

Trust me guys.. you have my word.. i will never put my feet in your country.. it would be to save the lives of some Haitian brothers. that want to leave.. of course.

NegMorne

Well monsieur, you Haitians are for sure, not doing Dominicans any favors.......and BTW you never have in the past!
You always came to plunder, enslave, squatter, and take jobs away from us DOMINICANS, coño!

NegMorne previously said: "Going to the DR is a life threatening experience for Haitians"

One of the most inane, absurd, and maniacal comments I've ever read.LOL.

Negmorne:

I trust you will never put your feet in the DR, nor do we want you to. If only you could convince the other million hatians living in DR to return to their side of the island, we would really appreciate it. Think about it, it's a win win situation, we get rid the more than a million undocumented haitians, opening more job opportunities for many of the unemployed dominicans, and you gain the same number of people back in haiti to compete with the already staggering number of people trying to find a job there under even worst conditions. Good luck trying to convince them.

What many refuse to understand is not that Haiti is in need, it is that Haiti does not help the needy in Haiti. Haiti has the rsources. Haiti is a mess and was a mess befor the earthquake.

There were hundreds of thousands homeless and living in squalor befor the earthquake. And that is documented. And that was with all the hundreds of volunteers in Haiti providing services.

The world must ask why is it that Haiti is incapable of moving forward? The world need not focus on DR and what we should do. The world should ask what is happening with the nearly billion dollars in money available to help the needy and focus on that.

DR does not benefit from that money.

Haiti now has a leader for better or worse.

Go home Haitians and demand your rights where you have them. You have no rights here in my country

matador blabs away

Those bastard who came over our country to cause problem and infecting our land with their shit"""

i hope that you are not offended when you hear those words spoken about Dominicans in places like New York. we understand the critical nature of the Haitian influx, and its unsustainability. however, some ape like analysis and name calling does not advance the discourse beyond academic vandalism. grow up, and try to put an adult spin on this matter, if indeed you can.

Illegal immigration issue is not as easy to resolve as many people believe. There are way too many spoons in the soup bowl already. Different sectors fishing in troubled waters and making big dough. Uneducated patriotism does not help, only make things worse.
Our best bet is to help Haiti to come back on its feet, so haitians can find their way back home.

@CarmenReyes,

You have every right to want your country back , but please stop talking gibberish about Haiti having resources.

You going on and on about aid money makes me question just how old you are or how educated.

There's no freaking money handed out to the average Haitian walking down the street. There's nobody living off the fat of the land.

Capiche.

just how far will 50.00 $ go in haiti ?

You indeed have to be Alive to read the kind of stuff people write here, like the ones written by this guy: NegMorne

I will just say on this, that not all the green stuff is to be Smoked!!


NOTHING GOOD HAS EVER CAME FROM THE WEST, i already challenged all the Haitian Defenders here to Prove me Wrong and Still WAITING.

Rasta boy, how many diseases have the dominicans carried out to NYC??? want a hint??

Haiti's failed State == and we screwed by our oun people. DR is also a failed nation brought about by Dominicans

Jajajajajjajajajajj!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Haitiano Bros will get the money and get right back over the DR territory the next day.
Well let me guess.Uhmmm!!! Pay their rents,get some traseros,( Carmen Reyes), mamajuana and new machetes.

Carmen Reyes go ahead have yourself a hearth attack.
More Haitianos for you!!! Deal with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGBELVU6ak8

Semper"Stupid move" Fidelis...................

If I ever see that female of the canine species name Carmen Reyes in the Bronx, i will slap her for being that stupid.

Haitiano for life.


Semper fidelis.....................

A friend of mine here in Massachusetts asks me to ask all Dominicans commenting on here, how they will feel if we started a manhunt for every illegal Dominican in NYC and deported them. Will any Dominicans object to that? anyone? What if we started an incentive based program where you could turn in illegal Dominicans and get paid for it? what would you say?

Many here in the US, look at us the same way we look at Haitians there in the DR. As smelly, disease carrying foreigners here to suck the life out of this country.
All we are saying, as a Dominican born American, I am in accord that the DR should not tolerate Haitians living there illegally, but we must also not complaint when we are deported for being here illegally.

@ clampettone

Most of the Dominicans in USA are LEGAL.

Most of the Haitians in the DR are ILLEGAL .

And for your information,Dominicans don't complain when they get deported!

@ cantave

You have no class.

You wanna slap a woman,you pussy?
You call yourself a man?

Carmen Reyes a woman???
More of a medusa/chupacabra type freak ,fake patriot wanna be.
Carmen Reyes should stick to her nursing home duties.

Semper Fidelis................

cantave a "men". Lol pleaseee

He's the sole example of a violent haitian women beater. He should get deported and sent to a shithole prison back in haiti and beaten .

Clampettone, tell your friend that all Haitians in
DR are not subject to a manhunt for deportation.
The miniscule number that have been deported is akin to a migra raid in a sweatshop.

As far as illegal Dominicans in US, 1) the ratio of legal vs illegal is nowhere close to the ratio of
Haitians in DR, hence the Dominican outrage at the flagrant violation of our sovereignty. You now I am fed up with Dominicans being portrayed as racist by the people who instituted racism (Europeans and their offshoots) and by people who massacred and annihilated their own citizens because they were white ( Haitians AFTER the French army was defeated and had left).

Both people seem to resent that we are a mixed people with 500 yrs of blending 3 races and cultures into our own Dominican identity. Outsiders like your friend need to understand the Haitian historical
Behavior in Dominican to realize why we are apprehensive at such a mass immigration/invasion by Haitian nationals.

2). While there are many Dominican illegals involved in nefarious activities there are many more illegals working honestly. Both get deported if they run afoul of the law. I don't hear them crying RACISM.

And in case anyone wants to point I have family members as dark as Haitians and as blonde as Scandanavians. I treat people according to their character not their color religion or national origin.
I would favor legalizing the status of legally working Haitians and their Dominican borne descendent
But they must have lived in the country for a specified period of time and no criminal activity; no putting kids to beg on the street and no poop incidents with the voodoo rituals (just kidding do whatever floats your boat in your house)

Have fun__________________!!!!

Kep your eyes on the left hand while the right hand is dealing the cards_____________!!!

Etienne,

lots of simple minds on here. I've been reading the same BS on here and nothing changes. IT'S PART OF THE PLAN.

Dreadlocks:

You are always a big sissy on your opinions, You never revealed where you come from sick
puppy and that shows what I already feel, shut your creole brain and do something on your
side of the island instead of always whining like a frustrated gay parasite.

The reality is that without the removal of corruption (which has MUCH MORE to do with the MENTALITY of people, and not just the inequities of the organizations and programs) many people will simply be using that money as payment for the trip back. Immigration is clearly a very complicated, controversial and multi-tiered problem, but this does not seem like the best idea at preventing it. It has to start with how people THINK, and that is related to EDUCATION, and how Society conditions the mind as it is related to how Haitians are viewed and how corruption is viewed. Without a remedy in those areas, there will be NO stable and long-lasting solution.

I was just reading an article about an area that has a similar dynamic to the one between Haiti and the Dominican Republic: India and Bangladesh. "The Great Wall of India
India is fencing off its border with Bangladesh. What will that mean for millions of potential climate refugees? By Bidisha Banerjee"

Basically, the issue is that Climate change is raising the sea level and because Bangladesh is almost completely at Sea level, many million refugees, perhaps as many as 100 million by 2075, might seek to cross over into India. This possibility could bring about a massive disruption along the border region and instigate greater instability with war being one possibility. How to get at some solution or remedy before that frightful possibility is upon them will be one of the points of contention as this century progresses.

In a similar line, the DR and Haiti situation has to be tackled before things get out of control. Some people already believe this is upon us and want radical changes. I myself have thought it the better policy choice one which allocates thousands of VISAS to the poor in Haiti to try their luck in more fertile and opportunity rich environments around the world. And have proposed that if many of the Francophone Community of nations would allow some of the poor people of Haiti into their nations and the rich world too participated, along with all the nations of the Americas, the population issue could be neutered within one decade on the island of Hispaniola. And Haiti could gain an historic breathing period to accomplish its massive task of developing the sinews of modernization and development under far less stressful conditions. DR too would see better results in its own modernization drive. But this radical Global policy is unlikely and so difficult times ahead.

Stupid move!! Invest this king of money byuilding a wall!!