Jimmyboy, sorry to burst your bubble, this is only this guy's opinion not what the constitution says, so don't celebrate with your kids yet, they're still illegals.

jimh and gmil don't cry

Mr. Olivares is wrong on every aspect of his opinion.
1st. JCE has NO jurisdiction to issue any cedulas unless proper paper is in place.
2nd cedulas can only be optained by providing a birth certificate or legal status papers

If JCE was to issue anything based on Mr.Olivares opinion then it actually be stepping way of jurisdiction and above the constitution. a work permit for season workers is NOT A birth certicate.

save your opinion Olivares is means nothing legally or logically. pick up the costitution and read it before opening your mouth

sorry but hang him .

It is the new DR constitution which leaves children stateless. The old consttitution was changed to create a stateless society in the DR. Besides crime, corruption and now stateless children, Domincans have so much to be proud of.

that is what I have been telling em in Hanni but it goes no where!

I'm told to shut up ...a haitian is a haitian is a haitian


even in Haina

This will draw the Haitians to the country like a magnet like it did with the Mexicans to the US. They have cost the US billions in health care alone. Pregnant women sneak across the border to have the baby at a US hospital as a indignant then disappear leaving the country or state to pick up the bill.

@ "JimHarrington"

What if they changed the constitution ???...,it's none of your fu...ng business!

Besides,many countries are changing their immigration laws,DR has the right to do the same!

So....F-OFF!!

The fact is the dominican republic has every right to change there immigration laws to whatever there liking is , is called the dominican republic, not the haitian republic

This is actually one of the fewest Dominican laws that makes utter sense to me. it sounds right and just, even though that might not be the case to a lot of people but putting all emotions aside, this is how a state or country should be run. The D.r. is just worrying about their people and letting Haiti worry about theirs,

@sweetbabyj

I definitely agree with you, giving these kids the Dominican nationality would be asking for people to cross the border illegally. @jimmyharrington, you are right, I mean, if the kid if born in the DR, its only right that he is given his Dominican nationality, that'd the way it is everywhere in the world, but we as Dominicans have to think what's better for us and our country, they'd no other way.haitians cross the border no matter what, providing their kids with the citizenship only means more trouble for us, we have to deal with the illegal immigrants. Only God knows I am all for legal immigration, you just need to follow the rules and everything will be okay. If the parents are legally in the DR, and they of course can provide proper documentation then yes, if the kid is born in the Dominican, they can have their papers. We need to make it harder and more complicated, that's the only way for it not to be pure chaos

tunbagobierno
You are wrong international law and anti disrimenation is my business.

Also, jimmyhsrrington,

I thought that according to the Haitian constitution, any children of a haitian born abroad was still Haitian. So according to your own constitution this is not possible.
The other thing is that the Dominican Republic can't eve be responsible for itsel.For Godsakey, look at our economy, look at our government! We can't be responsible for more people, especially if they are illegal. It hurts me to say it because I wished life was simpler, but it isn't, especially with the politicians that we have today

Go to hell Jim and Mr. Olivares needs to stop taking bribes from Haitians. If I was in front of him I would wipe that pendejo smile from his face.

@ings0389- "the kid if born in the DR, its only right that he is given his Dominican nationality, that'd the way it is everywhere in the world."

Wrong.................The US is one of a few, handfull of places that grants citizenship to children of illegals. It is not like that in most places around he world. Just to give you a few examples: Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Japan and many others do not.

Why do foreigners want to force us to grant Dominican nationality to the children of illegals is beyond me. They want us to liberally hand it out like cotton candy to every Tom, Dick and Pierre that crosses over the border? It is disrespectful to our constitution and boils my temper. What we need in the DR is Law and Order not more chaos, we have enough of that already.

Jim Harrington: "It is the new DR constitution which leaves children stateless."

That is a bunch of crap and you know it JH. The label of "stateless" is not an applicable term while the nation of Haiti continues to exist as a republic. All they have to do is turn the other way around, cross over the border to the their side and get Hatian nationality. It is as simple as that and they will stop being undocumented. The problem is not that the DR denies them a nationality, it is rather that they refuse to become Haitians.

The flamboyant US ambassador Hans Hertell helped the Puerto Rican gov't during the Sila Calderon administration sign an agreement with Dominican president Leonel Fernández which stated that any illegal immigrants who illegally arrive in Puerto Rico would be repatriated to the Dominican Republic immediately.

Now I ask myself? Why can't Leo the Lion Fdz not do the same with Haiti? Everybody else can do what they want with illegals except the Dominican Republic.

They should do the same thing to in DR , like they do here in USA : Start deporting them massively , and if they want..( and they will) they can take their children with them..

Why don't you people stop your stupidities as you refuse to face reality. The builders associations challenged not too long ago the Minister of Public Works to show one dominican working in the constructions being built in the DR, all of the workers are Haitians.You are either the victims of your own development for not accepting to do certain jobs or you are plain lazy and I prefer this last description. The solution to your immigration problem is simple;STOP HIRING HAITIANS. And I challenge you to that effect or else stop opening your big mouths for nothing.
LA VERITE

The Government has to start thinking about how to remedy a situation before it spirals out of control. They sit there idly while a few reap the benefits of cheap labor and then when their greed has caused problems for over they try to change laws and target people.

It’s just like a foster parent who feeds this child burgers and fries every day. This foster parent now punishes this child for being fat and chronically ill while still feeding him the same fatty foods every day.

Look at these fresh beautiful photos posted by Eriliza on page 66 of the forum topic "Santo Domingo Subway". Scroll down, and look at the people working at these construction sites. They ALL look Haitians to me.

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....-info/613/Santo-Domingo-Subway/66

Do you think "Page Evil Number 66" has something to do with it?

Only a prosperous Haiti can fix this mess. Now, will there ever be a prosperous Haiti? We better hope so. Or, things will get unbearably messier.

Mr. Olivares is completely wrong....First of all he can not teat this problem as if we "Dominican Republic" was a Develop nation, we are not, and as so, we should act.

The Dominican-Haitian border is open as we speak, this mean that the usual Haitian herds can come to DR with the whole family, and as usual saying they all are Dominican FOR THEY HAVE NO birth certificate from Haiti.

Hasta cuando tendremos esta tremenda carga, vargame Dios!

TO ALL THE HAITIANS OUT THERE :

How about providing your own citizens with birth certificates back in Haiti????

Did you guys know that 60% of THE PEOPLE IN HAITI DO NOT HAVE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE??

Their own country won't provide them this document..!!!

Where's the outrage,Haitians???? Do you even care ???

THEN WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT NOT GETTING THIS DOCUMENT IN A FOREIGN AND SOVEREIGN COUNTRY??

Where's that "Haitian pride" you people boast so much about ???

......Oh,right....You don't have any.

@ LAVERITE

I'll give you this example :

A Dominican construction worker will charge $ 250.00 pesos by the foot to install ceramic floors.

An illegal Haitian does it for $ 80.00 pesos..........YOU DO THE MATH..!!!!!!!!

Now a little history on why we need to keep our sovereignty and let's not forget what our ancestor went through and the Dominican genocide committed by the Haitian hands.


La Invasion del 1805 - The Haitian Invasion Of 1805

Letter from Gaspar de Arredondo and Pichardo , a native of Santiago de los Caballeros and survivor of the Haitian invasion of 1805 the Spanish side of the island of Santo Domingo (now Dominican Republic). The following is only part of the letter written by Mr. Arredondo and Pichardo in the neighboring island of Cuba after escape from the hell that was in his native island of Santo Domingo.


Haitians came to Santiago as a fury of the underworld, slaying, sword in hand, trampling as found, and by running blood everywhere.

Cont..

Imagine what the shock, terror and fright in that silent moment that neighborhood, so careless, in full view of facts like, when almost everyone was gathered in the main church with its pastor imploring God's help, while represented on the altar the sacrifice of our redemption, and ready to receive communion, one of the days of the year in which, by custom, to the field came to meet the annual precept. The crowd of women fled without knowing where, or where.
The cries of children and elderly people left their homes in terror. The ecclesiastical confusion among those who asked him for comfort. The mothers, some with their children on their shoulders, others trying to save the patient, who from his sickbed claimed by the defense was not. A search of the husband and others trying to hide beneath the altar, or thickets of the savanna, where they heard the awful voice of death and blood, with the noise of gunpowder and steel that were already covered streets bodies.

Cont.

Continuation...

A people, finally, burned all the elements of desolation and destruction, under the absolute power of a fierce voice for those of forgiveness and mercy was blasphemy. I already had laying steel on all avenues, such as a network so that no one in the center out of her deadly revenge.

Many misfortunes! How many tears to mourn! Many disasters! Many disorders that terrible day! Many excesses on the part of those cannibals!

Honesty, modesty, decency, everything was on the streets and squares at ten o'clock, and even in churches, at the mercy of the brutal lust that shook nature.
A very religious people, such as worship, so peaceful, so accomplished in morality, become in a few moments in a picture of horrific attacks, which showed the violence and force exercised with the greatest insolence on the innocence of youth.

Continues..

Continuation...

Parent who was shocked and appalled at destination without the din of Haitians and the clash of arms, embraced her two cute kids and they had jumped into the river by a very high cliff ending in strong currents, without after it has been known of his whereabouts. Another in the midst of his bewilderment, he fled to a manioc cake in hand. A little further was killed. Another, with the same shock and surprise came with musical instrument he had in his house, and suffered the same fate, and other infinite, the same style that went out to seek asylum, where he soon met death, not knowing what they were doing. Such was the confusion of this unfortunate and loyal town, in another Jerusalem, when few hours earlier, at present, most divine, advocated the glories and joys surrendered in the face of its inhabitants.

Continues....

coninuation...

Surrounded by the Haitian army, how many perished from the fields to help us while ignoring the state in which we stood. The rest was at the center of the city, still hours, a day of carnival, he was our priest at the altar celebrating the church and people waiting curd communion all who were inside. Just felt the clash of arms that swept the city and the troop of horses, mingled with the screaming for mercy, when they returned to their parishioners, began to urge them to implore the divine aid and make them instruments of coercion.

Continues...

Judge Eddy Olivares swore an oath, there should be a penalty for violating the oath to uphold the Constitution he swore to obey and follow.

And deliberately undermining the Dominican Constitution is without question Treason. Last I heard the firing squad is the remedy for Treason.

This guy needs a needy-girlfriend to pay attention to him. His reckless rant could harm the nation and should have his license removed.

With respect..the ocupation 1822 to 1844 ..1805 the north and the south were at war however many dominicans barons. Meanings land owners. Prospered during the. Ocupation they were protected by the haitien national guard. .not paying taxes to the spanish king.. 1886 ulíses heureaux dominican dictator dictator he secrectly sold off borderlands to haiti for 1 million pesos 400.00 pesos of which made its way. To the dominican treasury. The rest disappeared ..my point is the island of hispagnola has been holding hands for a long time. ....... why there isn't a wall ..

With respect..the ocupation 1822 to 1844 ..1805 the north and the south were at war however many dominicans barons. Meanings land owners. Prospered during the. Ocupation they were protected by the haitien national guard. .not paying taxes to the spanish king.. 1886 ulíses heureaux dominican dictator dictator he secrectly sold off borderlands to haiti for 1 million pesos 400.00 pesos of which made its way. To the dominican treasury. The rest disappeared ..my point is the island of hispagnola has been holding hands for a long time. ....... why there isn't a wall ..

I meant 1805 the north and the south were at war in haiti ..who ever invaded....were not haitiens.......

Andujar67 said :

" I meant 1805 the north and the south were at war in haiti ..who ever invaded....were not haitiens....."

......THEN I GUESS IT WAS THE MARTIANS,THEN...!!!

EXCUSES AND MORE EXCUSES!

The fact of the matter is that SANTO DOMINGO HAS AND WILL ALWAYS BE HAITI'' S WET
DREAM..!!

PRIMERO MUERTOS..!!!! DIOS ,PATRIA Y LIBERTAD..!!!

any kid born in dr is dominican, period!

@ "Jarabacoa"

CáLLESE,BUEN PITí..!!

So much talk back and forth and what not?

Reality is Haitians are all over the place in DR. Please look at the corners in DR, everybody looks Haitian; there is not difference between a Dominican and a Haitian. Howe do you know the difference? So, what’s the big deal? We are all dark black or dark brown, so what makes us different physically? Nothing, Right!!

So, the fact some Dominicans men are having babies with the Haitian women makes the baby what? Italian…I’m confused. If you don’t want interracial babies and a birth boom stop f…king the Haitian women, stop smuggling babies, stop supporting them, stop housing them, stop feeding them, stop giving them work, start being lazy and take over construction jobs. Tell Bisono, Bonetti, etc to stop hiring cheap labor and start making business with real Dominicans.

Cont...

The real power is in the essence of the people. If we want this issue solved, we need to do something about it. Complaining and letting them take over one Haitian at a time won’t solve the issue.

The U.S is using ICE to deport every illegal back to his/her country. They just show up in business and take everyone who does not have papers. They even incite whistle blowers to tell where the illegal aliens are? So, see – people helping people clean their country. No like us Dominicans, concerned about “La Presidente bien fria” (cold Presidente beer) and the fat b.tt chick next to us. Right?

So, let’s do something about it and else, let Haitians take over!!!

By the way, this guy must have some Haitian blood...

Freaking PUNK!!

@lavertine,

Please dont talk about development. You effing haitians are everything but developed. You destroyed your habita, cutted all the trees, pee on the streets and killed the environmnt and now you want to go to the DR and do the same? I dont thinkso, yu bastard. So dont talk about development before you look at your own country. I agree no sonof hatan should be ominican. So stopgoing to the DR

@guillermone,
Hmmmmm, I think that when someone is born outsde the counryof the parent they are from wherever they are born. We grantit to Cubanskids, regardlessof the status of residence or if they are illegal.
And i said that kids of Haitians should only be granted citizenshp in the DR if their parents are legal.

@JPDTrinit,

As we all may be blac, and its true... DOMINICANS ARE BLACK(for all of yu dominicans that think youre white), you migt be rigt, but we dont look the same. And i thin that by dominicansstop having sex with haitian womn... I think you mean, Haitian men, stop raping dominican women to get citizenship through you illegitimate child. That means, keep the Haitians that arent willing to come to the DR to work hard and immigrate LEGALLY in HAITI.

I agree with whomever said that the DR is not developed, and that we should stop behaving like it is. Illegal immigrants of any kind, whether haitians, cubans, italians or gringos should be penalized the same... We dominicans are penalized harshly everywhere we go, even when we are egal immigrants, then we should start treating the rest of the world the same, and get some effing respect.

so i guess this means that 'old school" is really a dominican???

when in china one neeeds to be CHINESE to be the LEADER of china
when in JAPAN one needs to be JAPANESE to become EMPORER of japan.

BUT JUST LOOK AT PRESIDENT OBAMA?
this is why i LOVE THE UNITED STATES.

READING all the comments today on this subject.
EMOTICISM. {statements that are EMOTIONALLY INFLUENCED- it seems to me for many of them they are not comments OF FACT OR TRUTH}.

woooooooooooooooooooooow!!! this is sad.

Wow!!! people need to bring it down a notch or two...The facts are that regardless of Judge Olivares opinions, the current language of the Dominican constitution will still stand. The Dominican constitution states that if you are born of foreign parents and they are illegal then you are not Dominican. This is the law, plain, simple and final.

Haitian Invasion can't be stopped, we are screwed !!!

The US constitution should change to say the same as the DR. What you Arcangel96?

@guillermone
You wright we can't stop it, I hear the same thing here in the US. "Mexican Invasion" "Dominican Invasion" We are taking over.

Haitians go to the DR to screw things up, but Dominican we come to US, cuz we want a better life for our selves and our children.

@ ELPAPA999

I mean,really?.....They're naming Dominicans after the Mexicans?

Vaye a labarse la boca con jabón de cuava,caballero!!!

@tunbagobierno

I was in NY talking to a real white man, after told him I was Dominican he then told Dominican are everywhere in NY. This guy is a racist.

ELPAPA999
well, the truth is that Dominicans ARE everywhere in NY. And if we were people that really immigrated to work hard, but comeine, look at Wash. Heights, that place is disgusting! It stinks like pee,mits dirty and messy. Thats Dominican dominated regions, and so thats why we arent respected abroad. One of the main reasons I decided to live somewhere other than NY. Because all those criminal dominicans have given all of us a bad name.

@ings0389,

That's what I'm talking about man. As much as I love my people I had to move too. love to tell people I'm Dominican. However, in the back of mind I'm thinking of those criminals that have given us the bad name. Us good people lets try to reverse that by doing the right thing. We've been in denial for to long regarding the bad apples among us, we shall do that no more.
"Treat people the way you want to be treated"

ELPAPA999
Completely agree. I like to say im Dominican, but then you hear it in the news how many diminicans are being deported, and then you rethink it. Im proud to be dominican, and yes, we good ppl should keep it up and see if we clean up the name :-)

@danny00, Obama is from the states... Another thing, the US cant be compared to China or any of those other places becuz first the US is a democracy, and second, the US is a melting pot. While Chinese are ethnically chinese, and japanese are ethnically japanese, we cannot say the same for the people of the US. While the majority is white, ethnically no white person is from the US. They are all mixed with nowegian, english, german, icelandic, irish, or some other kind of European. The same goes for black people. So, the fact that Obama is president doesnt have anything to do with him being "foreign" because he's not. He was born in the grwat state of Hawaii, which up to what I know is part of the 50 states that forms the United States. Ethnicity cannot play part in the US. And while you have a point, its the same in the D? Its tge same in the entire America, I hopeyoure not saying we should allow a foreigner to be the president.

hey danny00,

Obama is not peeing, defacting, and committing crimes. I believe he is educated and therefore meritor of his position. So, don't you compare Obama to any aytian.

Get it?

I guess not!!!

@ings0389, Here are a couple of facts...

The 10 most dangerous cities in US:
1. Flint, Michigan
2. Detroit, Michigan
3. St. Louis, Missouri
4. New Haven, Conn.
5. Memphis, Tenn.
6. Oakland, Calif.
7. Little Rock, Ark.
8. Baltimore, Md.
9. Rockford, Ill.
10. Stockton, Calif.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43158....these-cities-are-still-dangerous/

(almost 0% Dominicans in these cities)

@ings0389,
The top 10 US communities with the highest percentages of people claiming Dominican ancestry are:[7]

Haverstraw (village), New York 26.95%
Lawrence, Massachusetts 22.47%
Perth Amboy, New Jersey 18.81%
Passaic, New Jersey 13.06%
Sleepy Hollow, New York 12.67%
Union City, New Jersey 11.46%
Haverstraw (town), New York 11.13%
Paterson, New Jersey 10.27%
Bronx, New York 9.99%
Manhattan, New York 8.87%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_American

For those interested in seeing where their city ranks...

http://www.bestplaces.net/

@arcangel96,

Thanks for the facts but idk why you sent this. Thats beyond the point. I never said Dominicans make the cities more dangerous. I did say that where theres a bunch of dominicans, dominicans have a bad name bcuz they come to the states to be lazy, do nasty jobs (and i mean illegal) to get money, to pee on the streets... And dint deny it (look at washingtin heights. Not only is it in the us but in europe too. You never heard the scandal? Dominican diplomats didnt need visa for Europe, and so corrupt ppl (both the requesters as the issuers) !started giving diplomat passports to illegal immigrants. Thats why we have a bad name.
Dominjcans go to the states and rgey get involved in drug trafficking (small scale), they gang up and stuff. If youre immigratingm youre supposed to behave.
Please dont defend what should be defended. Thats why theres no respect for us. We should admit our faults in order to fix them. So please read carefully what i say, bcuz u didnt get it b4

@ings0389,

Wait!!...you mean that this group of people that "have no respect for us" have no corrupt officials? No crimes? drugs? ignorant people among them?? ;)

Yes! we have many bad apples, but we have far more descent, bright, and hard working people in our ranks. Until someone proves me otherwise, I will never hesitate to let them know I'm Dominican and proud of it.

Good for you. Im sorry, but just like we dont want foreigners here doing all they want, nobody else wants foreigners doing all they want either. I like to say im Dominican, but sometimes its just too embarrasing.
Yes, theres a lot of hard working ppl:-D but those if us are the ones given the least of chances. The majority of Dominicabs who leave are a bunch of ppl that all ther care aboyt is having SUVs and telling ppl they live in the States. Its just about looks... Bcuz in our country thats our everyday bread, whar we makw others think we have or think we are, not what we really are. So im sorry if im a little disappointed, but i cant defend things that are mediocre. I think we could be better for our own sake. We could be a developed nation and provide for our citizens a decent lifestyle, a good school, and college level education, we could provide sustainability. So, im not proud of medicracy, but i guess we're all different. Its a love hate relationship w/ the DR for me

Que se repita "decree 233-91 executed by Balaguer"!!

Lo que el gobierno y Leonel deberian mantener en mente es lo que los mas destacados o reconocidos pasado presidentes han echo PARA ELIMINAR LA CALAMIDAD DE ESTE PROBLEMA CON LOS JODIDOS HAITIANSO. Me explico:............

“Balaguer created decree 233-91. The decree ordered the immediate deportation of all illegal Haitians under the age of 16 or over 60. Within three months, about 50,000 Haitians were deported (F.1992, 89).”

@poponlaburra,

And what happens with the illegal Haitians between the ages of 16 and 60?
Your idea makes no sense, people among the agex of 16 and 60 arenthe actual working force that immigrates illegally. That's the core of the problem, my friend. Kids younger than 16 are in the DR because their parents, who probably are younger than 60 and older than 16 brought them here (by probaby I mean, most likely than not). People 60 and over have been illegal immigrants for a long time. If you look at the Haitians here, the majority are probably in the late 20s, 30 or 50. They bring the younf illegals, they are the ones that need to be controlled, if you want to controlled the other age groups. Maybe thats why Balaguer's idea didnt work the first time, it was really bad. We still have the issue, worse than ever even. Sorry, I dont like Balaguer, and I think he was one of the worse presidents we had up there with Hipolito and Leonel.

@poponlaburra
With all due respect, ings0389 is right. The deportation of illegal immigrants should not be restricted to an specific age group.

Arcangel96,m
you are right.....I just wnated to post what was done and that could be a pitlot program as long as it updated to reflects what is need due to the present circunstaces.